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Goose-Stepping Hitler-ites Threaten Greece's Utopia

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In this case we really do hate to say we-told-you-so but our concerns over social unrest and the rise of extreme nationalism (here, here and here) in an austerity-focused and massively unemployed Europe appear to becoming ever more prescient. Just last week we saw extreme parties in France of all places receive high levels of votes and in a note today from BBC News, the leader of the Greek Socialist Pasok party, Mr. Creosote himself - Evangelos Venizelos, told a rally in Patras that voters should not allow neo-Nazis to "goose-step into Parliament with Hitler salutes".

The far-right 'Golden-Dawn' party appears likely to win a number of seats for the first time ever - gathering support as the anti-EU-bailouts party. Of course the Golden-Dawn'ers also want to tighten border controls (but in a different way than Spain we are sure) and expel immigrants among other things but with the two major parties (Pasok and New Democracy) look set to garner less than 50% of the seats between them - leaving the rest in a free-for-all among various more extreme left and right parties. We have long-argued (and recently confirmed by Soros in his lengthy discussion at INET) that the Euro-zone will end when the political compact becomes untenable - it seems we are drawing closer and closer to that dystopia - even if Mr. Venizelos throws his weight against these uprisings of democratically invoked last rites.

From ekatherimerini.com,

"Golden Dawn is an extreme phenomenon, I believe they are an example of fascism and we radically oppose them. It's an offense to our history and to parliament," he told Reuters, suggesting Greece could be experiencing its version of Germany's 'Weimar' years which led to the rise of the Nazi Party and Adolf Hitler.

 

Golden Dawn, which vows to expel both legal and illegal immigrants and meets under a flag of an ancient Greek symbol similar to the swastika, has won over many of Greece's poor by giving away clothes and food parcels.

 

It says it is simply a nationalist party and has attracted a large protest vote by attacking the bailout and what it calls German domination of Europe.

 

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Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:05 | 2385707 It is a bargin ...
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Good article in yesterdays Sunday Times on them, if you wanna pay Murdoch the money to read online that is.

 

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:12 | 2385722 Ahmeexnal
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Carla Bruni preparing to divorce midget Sarzoky:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137429/Shattered-Carla-Bruni-st...

Former Lybian oil minister who defected from Khadaffi's regime found dead floating on the Danube. Officials state he suffered a heart attack while swimming....fully clothed:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137148/Dead-body-Shukri-Ghanem-...

The former Libyan oil minister who defected last year during the uprising against Colonel Gaddafi died by drowning, initial autopsy results show.

Shukri Ghanem, 69, who was the country's prime minister between 2003 and 2006, was discovered fully clothed floating in the river Danube in Austria on Sunday morning.

Police spokesman, Roland Hahslinger, said there was no indication of violence on Mr Ghanem's body and no indications to suggest he had committed suicide.

Mr Ghanem, who was working as a consultant for a Vienna-based company was last seen by his daughter on Saturday evening in their apartment, according to reports.

When she woke and found him missing she called police who told her his body had been found 20 metres from the shore of the Danube, close to their apartment.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:13 | 2385748 bogey4
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That's odd - I read the article and there isn't one mention of divorce.  Did I miss something?

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:14 | 2385757 It is a bargin ...
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It is the Daily Mail, I'd feel violated just by clicking on the link

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:15 | 2385759 Ahmeexnal
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You obviously don't understand women.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 17:30 | 2386531 fiddy pence haf...
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the man's got a point.

I've seen lots of attractive women scouring the DM for famous

women in bikinis, having sagging tits and fat asses.

I think it makes the female reader feel better

about herself.

That's when you become altruistic and offer her some phallus.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:14 | 2385758 AnAnonymous
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Police spokesman, Roland Hahslinger, said there was no indication of violence on Mr Ghanem's body and no indications to suggest he had committed suicide.

_________________________________________________

But there was good indication he was dead.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 20:40 | 2387024 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

But there was good indication he was dead.

Made me laugh.

+1

 

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 23:57 | 2387405 CompassionateFascist
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Dorothy Parker, on being told that Cal Coolidge had died: "How could they tell?"

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:15 | 2385762 SheepDog-One
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Damn Carla Bruni is TERRIFYING looking!!

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:17 | 2385775 Ahmeexnal
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GROTESQUE is the right word. It's a french word too, innit?

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:53 | 2385924 css1971
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Slipped off a bridge while out taking a walk. Nothing unusual there, could happen to anyone.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:54 | 2385928 j0nx
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Neither one of them are going to win any awards for dental hygiene.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 15:05 | 2385963 Ahmeexnal
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The power elite know fluoride laced toothpaste is only meant to be used by the "little people".

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 16:48 | 2386379 greyghost
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there is a man with a gun over there....telling me i need beware....move along there, nothing to see here, that man with the gun is just a communist...but, but, but beware of the fascist????????? REALLY

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:07 | 2385720 NotApplicable
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Oh noes! Not more ancient symbology similar to other ancient symbology that has been redefined to be teh evils!

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:08 | 2385725 SheepDog-One
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WHOA now theres a REAL fat bastard! And he's not american, but European? How can that be? And why is he in a position of such authority as an 'obese'...somethings wrong here, glitch in the matrix.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:13 | 2385747 Caviar Emptor
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You're right. Here in the US the fascist party will blame the obese

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:19 | 2385781 Ghordius
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we are europeans, we don't do beauty contests in politics - we vote for the ugliest

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:42 | 2385884 ONO47
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Fat Bastard was Scottish.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:12 | 2385740 Caviar Emptor
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 Greek electric utility company has been empowered to collect back taxes from citizens. First step toward fascism? Check. Now let's have Golden Dawn create a few fires to be blamed on "immigrants" and we'll be really getting close

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:13 | 2385753 SheepDog-One
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Mr Creosote, LOL

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:51 | 2385917 LFMayor
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bring me a bucket.  Showing your age there SD1!

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:16 | 2385754 GeneMarchbanks
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Alea iacta est. A sane individual could have said the same thing when globalization was being touted as the greatest thing since sliced bread. The social implications are yet to viewed under times of crisis. Let's just agree that even the most ardent optimist will be severely tested.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:16 | 2385764 AnAnonymous
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Globalization is great. Globalization produced the US of A, the mecca of US citizenism.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 15:12 | 2386004 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Globalization is great. Globalization produced the US of A, the mecca of US citizenism.

So we're back to that now, are we?

How often do alternate between condemning US citizenism and singing its praises?

Do you rotate it on a schedule, or do you just post according to the opinions of the voices in your head?

 

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 00:01 | 2387409 CompassionateFascist
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Obama ate his dog. Anony starves, hears voices.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 08:43 | 2387766 AnAnonymous
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Yes, US citizenism is limited to your typical US president Obama. When Obama dies, so dies US citizenism.

True as true. A US citizen told it to me so it has to be true. US citizens can not be duplicitous, right?

US citizenism is way beyond Obama. Obama is just a representative sample of it, to the great despair of US citizens who would prefer US citizenism to be strictly reserved to Indo Europeans and not be tractable by negroes and the rest.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 08:40 | 2387760 AnAnonymous
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So we're back to that now, are we?

How often do alternate between condemning US citizenism and singing its praises?
__________________________________________________

Indeed, that is what we are back at: seeing praising and condemning.

There is no praise. No condemnation. Only logical follow up.

How can globalization be bad in the eyes of US citizens as it was what produced the greatest nation of all, the mecca of US citizenism (which is the best thing ever), namely the US of A?

Rotating? But reporting about what is apparented to a multiple personality disorder does not rotation.

All it takes is to find a patient with multiple personality disorder and the rest follows.

More fantasy.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 09:02 | 2387813 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Rotating? But reporting about what is apparented to a multiple personality disorder does not rotation.

All it takes is to find a patient with multiple personality disorder and the rest follows.

Ah, good, there is still hope.

Acknowledging your problem is the first step to recovery.

 

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:37 | 2385786 Caviar Emptor
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New food price spikes will be most welcome 

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:20 | 2385788 navy62802
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People were worried for decades how WWIII would begin. Most thought it would constitute a nuclear exchange. It probably won't. Turns out, we're going to end up with a replay of WWII but with more advanced weapons. At least we had a couple of generations who saw relative peace.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 15:55 | 2386171 Nobody For President
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Korea.

VietNam.

Gulf War.

Iraq.

Gannistan...

I missed out on that relative peace. We shouldn't have ended the draft. With no draft, rich white boys can have loads and loads of relative peace, 'cause they don't have to worry about gettin' shot at. The WWIII you envision also, by default, envisions that you and yours won't be involved too heavily, cause NSA and dear old Homeland Security will keep all the bad guys away from our shores...

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 21:46 | 2387178 prole
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Are you reefering to the outfit that is still sending Mohammed Attah visa renewals? Are you talking about the outfit that hand-escorted the "Underwear false flag patsy" through security with no Passport and No Visa?

Are you talking about the gang that shut down Arizona because they tried to stop some of the illegals from coming in?

Or are you talking about some other outfit, 'cause i'm really not gettin' your post

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 17:18 | 2386479 Ghordius
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"relative" in this case means 400+ "interventions" and "police actions" and 50+ "limited wars"

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 22:40 | 2387266 navy62802
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Right, and that's why I qualified it with "relative." It has been peaceful compared to the massive carnage of WWI and WWII. In other respects it has been quite bloody and expensive.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 17:38 | 2386557 fiddy pence haf...
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I think war is just nature's way of culling humans.

My wish is that the f^&*kers who start them are the first ones to be culled,

but that never happens.

When's the last time a leader was killed in battle? Chicken shits.

 

Actually, the next war will be nature's way of stopping the banksters. All debts

will get written off, in the national interest.

I cracked it, man. That's it. A war to end all banking.

F^*%^ken eh!

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:21 | 2385791 XitSam
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I'm confused. The "Greek Socialist Pasok party" is criticising the "neo-Nazis" or new-National Socialists?

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 15:09 | 2385989 Bicycle Repairman
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Watch both national socialist parties march.  Whichever one goose-steps, they're the real nazis.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 17:19 | 2386487 Ghordius
Mon, 04/30/2012 - 17:31 | 2386538 Bag Of Meat
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Pasok is as Socialist , as golden is the "Golden Dawn"

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 17:42 | 2386567 fiddy pence haf...
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so, is Golden Dawn a supporter of real money. i.e. gold?

or are they just into golden showers i.e. piss?

that's a euphemism for trickle down economics, BTW.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:22 | 2385795 monopoly
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Well, there are not enough jobs for the citizens of Greece so deporting "illegal immigrants" seems proper. Not so sure about the "legal immigrants". And here, we soon will not have that problem. Mexican citizens are moving back to Mexico, they realize the party is over and at least in Mexico they have lower cost of living, a roof over their heads and family support. Here they get abuse and stares from the unemployed.

 

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 17:44 | 2386574 fiddy pence haf...
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That sounds like an economic model I can support.

Throw your own economy down the shitter just to spite the immigrants.

Until they come back with their guns.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 21:50 | 2387180 prole
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Alternately-

Saving your own ecomony, by saving your country and culture.

And deal with invaders as they come.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:23 | 2385798 Dangertime
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The current power structure defaming a new threatening power structure.

 

Why is it that I do not find this surprising?  I haven't seen any evidence that this new party is "extreme" in any sense, certainly when compared to the current regime.

 

Of course, if you  read the actual article, the phrase "I believe they are an example of fascism and we radically oppose them" says it all.  Not the I BELIEVE portion.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:24 | 2385805 Clayton Bigsby
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Wow, "simply a nationalist party" - ruh-roh raggy - we've heard that one before

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:36 | 2385850 GeneMarchbanks
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That is quite the insinuative leap you hint at there pal. I'll just venture a guess that you're a big fan of the 'all-collectivist-movements-are-fascist-and/or-nazi' simplification that seems to be the latest common knowledge meme floating around.

Another nuanced observer of history I see.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:44 | 2385892 ONO47
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Are you saying the Greek aren't going to annex Poland?

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:26 | 2385807 Caviar Emptor
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Actually, goose-stepping was recommended by Greek physical therapists to treat obesity.

It had nothing to do with political beliefs at all. 

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 17:49 | 2386588 fiddy pence haf...
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ya. they do tend to be fat fucks.

but don't remind them, they can get violent

which is so out of character for fascists.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:27 | 2385815 sangell
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Whatever else you want to say about the Greek Colonels they didn't leave Greece as a satrapy of the ECB when they relinquished power.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:35 | 2385844 Kataphraktos
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Absolutely, they merely bankrupted the nation and created the kind of national wounds that allowed villains like Papandreou and Karamanlis to deliver Greece into the welcoming arms of the EU and the ECB for a token donation left on the bedside table.

Seriously, replying to a post about neo-fascists defending the previous generation of neo-fascists is just very Larry Summers of you.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:37 | 2385862 GeneMarchbanks
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Ha! One neo-fascist begets another. Who knew.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:30 | 2385823 Caviar Emptor
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Ok Tylers, the one you've been waiting for......

 

 

CNBC 'freaking out' over decline in ratings for Andrew Ross Sorkin and Maria Bartiromo  'Their biggest attractions have become their biggest losers,' says industry insider

 http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/cnbc-freaking-decline-ratings-andrew-ross-sorkin-maria-bartiromo-article-1.1068973#ixzz1tY8toT74

 

 

CNBC insiders tell us executives at the cable business channel are “freaking out” because viewership levels are down essentially across-the-board, particularly with its marquee shows, “Squawk Box” and “Closing Bell."

“Their biggest attractions have become their biggest losers,” says one TV industry insider familar with the cable channel’s numbers.

According to Nielsen ratings obtained by Gatecrasher, from April 2011 to April 2012, “Squawk Box” is down 16 percent in total viewers and 29 percent in the important 25-54 demographic bracket that advertisers buy.

On Tuesday, the show drew its lowest numbers of the year in total viewers — 99,000.

 

 

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:32 | 2385836 SheepDog-One
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More people watch Gilligans Island re-runs than CNBC now.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:38 | 2385856 Caviar Emptor
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Agree. I get better business advice from "The Millionaire" Mr Howell, better science advice from "The Professor and I get better eye candy from Ginger and Marie Anne than the talking tits on CNBS. Plus yuks from Gilligan and the Skipper

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:41 | 2385878 monopoly
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Well yeah Sheepdog, at least those are real people. 

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:47 | 2385904 ONO47
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I was always partial to "Get Smart" reruns when I stayed home 'sick' from school.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 15:04 | 2385960 Piranhanoia
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Casting director for CNBS;   "Well, they are boring, wrong, ignorant, annoying and a computer voice over and graphic could replace them"   (when discussing all the candidates ever seen auditioning for the on air boat anchor job)

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:29 | 2385826 johnjkiii
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Sounds familiar:
"They are not jackbooted Nazi thugs. They are merely German policemen in spiffy uniforms here to help us." - Vichy government (1941 - 1945)

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:29 | 2385830 debtor of last ...
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Paper or physical golden dawn?

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 17:35 | 2386547 Bag Of Meat
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Still, a dawn

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:33 | 2385841 debtor of last ...
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Don't forget, France and The Netherlands said NO against a European constitution. Impemented later as the Lisbon treason, pardon, treaty. Some fascist fools ignored that.

 

It's like too much debt. There's no fucking free lunch.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:38 | 2385857 W10321303
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Ex-CIA Interrogator: Obama Policy is to "Kill All Prisoners"


In the CBS 60 Minutes interview, Jose Rodriguez, former head of CIA clandestine operations and former lead interrogator, later compared the authorization of torture under President George W. Bush to the increased amount of extrajudicial killings under President Obama.

Jose Rodriguez: "We don’t capture anybody anymore, Lesley. I mean, you know, their default option of this administration has been to kill all prisoners, take no prisoners."

Lesley Stahl: "The drones."

Jose Rodriguez: "The drones. How could it be more ethical to kill people rather than capture them? I’ve never understood that one."

Better the Hitler - ites you can see than the ones you mistake for......?  "Kick the can forward"  Jack the Ripper

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 16:32 | 2386323 DollarMenu
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Thanks for that.

I started to watch, but Leslie got to me and I turned it off.

Her outrage and incredulous buttons are too easily triggered, while her stupidity circuits are always functioning.

 

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:42 | 2385865 fuu
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You have been found guilty of commerce with the devil.

Confess confess!

 

Ministry - Golden Dawn

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:39 | 2385866 monopoly
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Maria is boring and screeches too much. Kramer, well, he is a sham, a charlatan, a fraud, and has a very annoying manner about him. Those of us on the West Coast, can you imagine, that idiot at 6 AM. Betty Lou a much better choice if you can get Bloomberg. Than when the market opens, All music all the time.

 

99,000. Wow, that is bad.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:40 | 2385870 W10321303
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Probe: No Intelligence Gains Through Torture Techniques

A Democrat-led congressional probe has found there is no evidence torture practices employed by the CIA under the Bush White House have led to significant intelligence gains. After a nearly three-year inquiry, investigators with the Senate Intelligence Committee found the so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques" played a minimal role in U.S. intelligence coups, including the locating and killing of Osama bin Laden a year ago. The finding comes amid a slew of media appearances by a leading Bush-era official, Jose Rodriguez, to promote his new book and defend the torture techniques. Speaking to CBS’s 60 Minutes, Rodriguez, the former head of CIA clandestine operations and former lead interrogator, discussed how the CIA obtained legal authorization for torture from the White House.

Jose Rodriguez: "We needed to get everybody in government to put their big-boy pants on and provide the authorities that we needed."

Lesley Stahl: "Their big boy pants on."

Jose Rodriguez: "Big boy pants. Let me tell you, I had had a lot of experience in the agency where we had been left to hold the bag. And I was not about to let that happen for the people that work for me."

Lesley Stahl: "There wasn’t going to be any deniability on this one?"

Jose Rodriguez: "There was not going to be any deniability. And I tell you something. In August of 2002, I felt I had all the authorities that I needed, all the approvals that I needed. The atmosphere in the country was different. Everybody wanted us to save American lives.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:42 | 2385875 Caviar Emptor
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JoeyBra: Genius new bra hides iPhone and other valuables (Video sux bit concept is good) 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/30/joey-bra-iphone-kickstarter_n_1...

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:43 | 2385887 monopoly
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I wonder what the ratings would be if there was 1 hour of news that is just the "truth and facts". Never mind, could never happen.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:45 | 2385898 americanspirit
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Those German tourists have been up early again practicing their close-order drill on the beach. Every day, the same damn thing. Ein, zwei, drei, fier. Gott im himmel.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:48 | 2385912 Sudden Debt
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Why don't they ever blame the greeks themselves?
Look for the island of the blind in Greece and you'll know what I mean.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 14:59 | 2385942 Piranhanoia
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Mr. Creosote is a fascist, and calls his opponents fascist.  Fascists call Socialists fascists, and socialists call everyone fascists. Communists call everyone else a fascist. Elected and unelected government workers call for lunch and hookers, paid for by anyone but them.   Mr. Creosote asks everyone in the room if they are going to finish their meal before they begin eating.   

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 15:12 | 2386001 apu123
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We all know what happens to Mr. Creosote, he can't eat another bite, but then does and POP!  At least he did not eat the salmon pate.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 15:14 | 2386011 falak pema
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Greece will always be the land of Oligarchs, house of Atreus. We need Socrates and the greek resistance, who Churchill sten gunned in name of great iron curtain divide, to take back their country! When will the people of Greece say to their shills who would run them : name, christian name, profession? In name of republic and democracy. 

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 15:36 | 2386077 carbonmutant
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Sounds like the Greeks need to protect democracy by delaying elections... /sarc

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 15:44 | 2386121 Breaker
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"the leader of the Greek Socialist Pasok party, Mr. Creosote himself - Evangelos Venizelos, told a rally in Patras that voters should not allow neo-Nazis to "goose-step into Parliament with Hitler salutes"."

 

LOL. Hitler was a socialist.

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 15:56 | 2386179 Paul Bogdanich
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While these fringe movements are often very dangerous something needs to be done to dispel the poisonous idea that the heriditary or university selected "elites" are somehow capable of managing everything.  Fact is these no-experience elites are just too willing to try new things like de-regulation or globalizationa and are generally imprudent.  Seemed like it should have worked they always say of their ideas.  Or the idea was sound it was the execution that failed and we will do better next time is always a favorite excuse for why we should continue with the status quo.  Anyway soon it shall be the turn of the swamp creatures to try their hand at government and for all the talk about the evils of Hitler please never forget that from 1933 to 1939 he did take a bankrupt starving nation and turn it into the most powerful in Europe and whatever else happened thereafter that is just a fact.  Which by the way was why Hitler was in a position to perpetrate such evil.  When he invaded France the former ruling elites in Germany assumed the French resistance would be better than it was and that once the war started to go slowly they would remove Hitler and sue for peace and keep the economic expansion.  That was the plan.  So when France fell in 21 days to Guediarian's Panzers that made the monsterous evils (the systematic annilation of all the Jews of Europe) of the Third Reich possible.  When foreigners used to ask the German citizens before 1939 about the lack of freedoms under the Nazi's and why they tolerated the Nazis (there was never a lot of enthusiasm for the party in the early days) a common refrain was that there was no freedom to starve to death in Hitler's Germany.  Anyway our current elites really need to go as they have no conception of what they are doing ad they boondogles inexorably lead to these types of situations.      

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 16:41 | 2386365 Nobody For President
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Did anybody ever mention to the Troika the possibililty of 'unintended consequences' (and has anybody on ZH taken that as a psued, and if not, why not?)?

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 17:30 | 2386498 GreetingsFromGermany
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If the Greeks don't vote in the way Goldman Sachs is expecting, they simply repeat until it does fit. If not, GS&associates wil install another technocratical leader from their rows. 

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 18:09 | 2386656 Griffin
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The Greek people have fought well, they are a great nation with a legacy no other nation can match.

I am amazed to see how no country stands up for them, no one is helping or supporting them, every one stands on the sidelines quietly watching the EU, Goldman Sachs and the likes rip Greece apart.

When all decency and empathy is gone there is no need to talk about democracy, it would be wasted on such people.

 

 

Mon, 04/30/2012 - 23:18 | 2387351 icanhasbailout
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Fascism is apparently not so scary that they are not willing to risk fueling it with breathtakingly reckless monetary policies.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 08:24 | 2387727 earnulf
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Many of the nationalist parties get backing by being popular with the people first (giving things away, sounds familiar for some reason) then they point out the flaws of others, find scapegoats to blame it on and fan the flames of resentment (your life would be better if not for them) in a push to secure power.

Of course, they would not exist if they had to do the work themselves, that's for lower life forms.  Only the true Greek should have Greece, the other forms are there for the benefit of the Greek, not vice versa.

Never does the Greek look in the mirror to see the real problem eating grapes and drinking wine.   The Nationalist Flag will cover the mirror.

'Those who fail to heed the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat it"

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