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This Is The Government: Your Legal Right To Redeem Your Money Market Account Has Been Denied - The Sequel

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Two years ago, in January 2010, Zero Hedge wrote "This Is The Government: Your Legal Right To Redeem Your Money Market Account Has Been Denied" which became one of our most read stories of the year. The reason? Perhaps something to do with an implicit attempt at capital controls by the government on one of the primary forms of cash aggregation available: $2.7 trillion in US money market funds. The proximal catalyst back then were new proposed regulations seeking to pull one of these three core pillars (these being no volatility, instantaneous liquidity, and redeemability) from the foundation of the entire money market industry, by changing the primary assumptions of the key Money Market Rule 2a-7. A key proposal would give money market fund managers the option to "suspend redemptions to allow for the orderly liquidation of fund assets." In other words: an attempt to prevent money market runs (the same thing that crushed Lehman when the Reserve Fund broke the buck). This idea, which previously had been implicitly backed by the all important Group of 30 which is basically the shadow central planners of the world (don't believe us? check out the roster of current members), did not get too far, and was quickly forgotten. Until today, when the New York Fed decided to bring it back from the dead by publishing "The Minimum Balance At Risk: A Proposal to Mitigate the Systemic Risks Posed by Money Market FUnds". Now it is well known that any attempt to prevent a bank runs achieves nothing but merely accelerating just that (as Europe recently learned). But this coming from central planners - who never can accurately predict a rational response - is not surprising. What is surprising is that this proposal is reincarnated now. The question becomes: why now? What does the Fed know about market liquidity conditions that it does not want to share, and more importantly, is the Fed seeing a rapid deterioration in liquidity conditions in the future, that may and/or will prompt retail investors to pull their money in another Lehman-like bank run repeat?

Here is how the Fed frames the problem in the abstract:

This paper introduces a proposal for money market fund (MMF) reform that could mitigate systemic risks arising from these funds by protecting shareholders, such as retail investors, who do not redeem quickly from distressed funds. Our proposal would require that a small fraction of each MMF investor’s recent balances, called the “minimum balance at risk” (MBR), be demarcated to absorb losses if the fund is liquidated. Most regular transactions in the fund would be unaffected, but redemptions of the MBR would be delayed for thirty days. A key feature of the proposal is that large redemptions would subordinate a portion of an investor’s MBR, creating a disincentive to redeem if the fund is likely to have losses. In normal times, when the risk of MMF losses is remote, subordination would have little effect on incentives. We use empirical evidence, including new data on MMF losses from the U.S. Treasury and the Securities and Exchange Commission, to calibrate an MBR rule that would reduce the vulnerability of MMFs to runs and protect investors who do not redeem quickly in crises.

And further:

This paper proposes another approach to mitigating the vulnerability of MMFs to runs by introducing a “minimum balance at risk” (MBR) that could provide a disincentive to run from a troubled money fund. The MBR would be a small fraction (for example, 5 percent) of each shareholder’s recent balances that could be redeemed only with a delay. The delay would ensure that redeeming investors remain partially invested in the fund long enough (we suggest 30 days) to share in any imminent portfolio losses or costs of their redemptions. However, as long as an investor’s balance exceeds her MBR, the rule would have no effect on her transactions, and no portion of any redemption would be delayed if her remaining shares exceed her minimum balance.


The motivation for an MBR is to diminish the benefits of redeeming MMF shares quickly when a fund is in trouble and to reduce the potential costs that others’ redemptions impose on non?redeeming shareholders. Thus, the MBR would be an effective deterrent to runs because, in the event that an MMF breaks the buck (and only in such an event), the MBR would ensure a fairer allocation of losses among investors.


Importantly, an MBR rule also could be structured to create a disincentive for shareholders to redeem shares in a troubled MMF, and we show that such a disincentive is necessary for an MBR rule to be effective in slowing or stopping runs. In particular, we suggest a rule that would subordinate a portion of a redeeming shareholders’ MBR, so that the redeemer’s MBR absorbs losses before those of non?redeemers. Because the risk of losses in an MMF is usually remote, such a mechanism would have very little impact on redemption incentives in normal circumstances. However, if losses became more likely, the expected cost of redemptions would increase. Investors would still have the option to redeem, but they would face a choice between redeeming to preserve liquidity and staying in the fund to protect principal. Creating a disincentive for redemptions when a fund is under strain is critical in protecting MMFs from runs, since shareholders otherwise face powerful incentives to redeem in order to simultaneously preserve liquidity and avoid losses.

Basically, according to the Fed, the minimum balance would make the financial system more fair, reduce systemic risk and protect smaller investors who can be left with losses if larger investors in their fund withdraw cash first. The proposal would require a "small fraction" of each fund investor's recent balances to be segregated into a sinking fund to absorb losses if the fund is liquidated. Subsequently redemptions of these minimum balances at risk would be delayed for 30 days, "creating a disincentive to redeem if the fund is likely to have losses." In other words: socialized losses. Where have we seen this before?

But the real definition of what the Fed is suggesting is: capital controls. Once this proposal is implemented, the Fed, or some other regulator, will effectively have full control over how much money market cash is withdrawable from the system at any given moment. At $2.7 trillion in total, one can see why the Fed is suddenly concerned about this critical liquidity and capital buffer.

The problem is that just as we said over two years ago, a brute force attempt to preserve a liquidity buffer is guaranteed to fail, as MMF participants will simply quietly pull their money out at the convenience when they can, not when they have to. Europe had to learn this the hard way - only after Draghi cut the deposit rates to 0% did virtually every European money market fund become irrelevant overnight, resulting in a massive pull of cash from the MMF industry. However, instead of going into equities as the Group of 30 and other central planners had hoped, the hundreds of billions of euros merely shifted into already negative nominal rate fixed income instruments. And who can blame them: money market capital does not seek return on capital but return of capital, to borrow Bill Gross' favorite line.

Another clue as to why the Fed is once again suddenly interested in money markets comes from an article we wrote back in September 2009: "Rumored Source Of Reverse Repo Liquidity: Not Bank Reserves But Money Market Funds" in which we said that, "the Chairman is rumored to be considering money market funds as a liquidity source. Reuters points out that the Fed would thus have recourse to around $4-500 billion, and maybe more, of the $3.5 trillion sloshing in "money on the sidelines", roughly the same amount as MMs had just before the Lehman implosion."

In a nutshell, money market funds (much more on this below), have always been one of the most hated liquidity intermediaries by the central planners: they don't go into stocks, they don't go into bonds, they just sit there, collecting no interest, but more importantly, are inert, and can not be incorporated into the rehypothecation architecture of shadow banking.

And perhaps that is precisely why the Fed is pulling the scab off an old sore. Recall that for the past year, our primary contention has been that the core reason for all developed world problems is the gradual disappearance of good collateral and money good assets.

Even if the MMF cash were to shift, preemptively, into bonds, or any other "safe" investments, the assets backing the cash can them enter the traditional-shadow liquidity system and buy time: the only real goal at this point. In the process, the cash itself would be "securitized" and provide at least a year or so in additional breathing room for a system that has essentially run out of good liquidity, and in Europe, out of any collateral.

Expect more and more efforts to disgorge the $2.7 triliion in money market funds as the world gets closer and closer to D-Day. And what happens with MMF, will then progress to all other real asset classes as the government truly spreads out its capital controls wings.

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For a more nuanced read through of the implications of money market redemption denials, we suggest rereading our analysis of precisely this topic from January 2010. Just keep in mind: in the interim we have had two and a half years of ZIRP and NIRP based asset depletion, which means that the marginal requirement to get MMF cash "back" into the system is now higher than ever.

This Is The Government: Your Legal Right To Redeem Your Money Market Account Has Been Denied

When Henry Paulson publishes his long-awaited memoirs, the one section that will be of most interest to readers, will be the former Goldmanite and Secretary of the Treasury's recollection of what, in his opinion, was the most unpredictable and dire consequence of letting Lehman fail (letting his former employer become the number one undisputed Fixed Income trading entity in the world was quite predictable... plus we doubt it will be a major topic of discussion in Hank's book). We would venture to guess that the Reserve money market fund breaking the buck will be at the very top of the list, as the ensuing "run on the electronic bank" was precisely the 21st century equivalent of what happened to banks in physical form, during the early days of the Geat Depression. Had the lack of confidence in the system persisted for a few more hours, the entire financial world would have likely collapsed, as was so vividly recalled by Rep. Paul Kanjorski, once a barrage of electronic cash withdrawal requests depleted this primary spoke of the entire shadow economy. Ironically, money market funds are supposed to be the stalwart of safety and security among the plethora of global investment alternatives: one need only to look at their returns to see what the presumed composition of their investments is. A case in point, Fidelity's $137 billion Cash Reserves fund has a return of 0.61% YTD, truly nothing to write home about, and a return that would have been easily beaten putting one's money in Treasury Bonds. This is not surprising, as the primary purpose of money markets is to provide virtually instantaneous access to a portfolio of practically risk-free investment alternatives: a typical investor in a money market seeks minute investment risk, no volatility, and instantaneous liquidity, or redeemability. These are the three pillars upon which the entire $3.3 trillion money market industry is based.

Yet new regulations proposed by the administration, and specifically by the ever-incompetent Securities and Exchange Commission, seek to pull one of these three core pillars from the foundation of the entire money market industry, by changing the primary assumptions of the key Money Market Rule 2a-7. A key proposal in the overhaul of money market regulation suggests that money market fund managers will have the option to "suspend redemptions to allow for the orderly liquidation of fund assets." You read that right: this does not refer to the charter of procyclical, leveraged, risk-ridden, transsexual (allegedly) portfolio manager-infested hedge funds like SAC, Citadel, Glenview or even Bridgewater (which in light of ADIA's latest batch of problems, may well be wishing this was in fact the case), but the heart of heretofore assumed safest and most liquid of investment options: Money Market funds, which account for nearly 40% of all investment company assets. The next time there is a market crash, and you try to withdraw what you thought was "absolutely" safe money, a back office person will get back to you saying, "Sorry - your money is now frozen. Bank runs have become illegal." This is precisely the regulation now proposed by the administration. In essence, the entire US capital market is now a hedge fund, where even presumably the safest investment tranche can be locked out from within your control when the ubiquitous "extraordinary circumstances" arise. The second the game of constant offer-lifting ends, and money markets are exposed for the ponzi investment proxies they are, courtesy of their massive holdings of Treasury Bills, Reverse Repos, Commercial Paper, Agency Paper, CD, finance company MTNs and, of course, other money markets, and you decide to take your money out, well - sorry, you are out of luck. It's the law.

A brief primer on money markets

A very succinct explanation of what money markets are was provided by none other than SEC's Luis Aguilar on June 24, 2009, when he was presenting the case for making even the possibility of money market runs a thing of the past. To wit:


Money market funds were founded nearly 40 years ago. And, as is well known, one of the hallmarks of money market funds is their ability to maintain a stable net asset value — typically at a dollar per share. In the time they have been around, money market funds have grown enormously — from $180 billion in 1983 (when Rule 2a-7 was first adopted), to $1.4 trillion at the end of 1998, to approximately $3.8 trillion at the end of 2008, just ten years later. The Release in front of us sets forth a number of informative statistics but a few that are of particular interest are the following: today, money market funds account for approximately 39% of all investment company assets; about 80% of all U.S. companies use money market funds in managing their cash balances; and about 20% of the cash balances of all U.S. households are held in money market funds. Clearly, money market funds have become part of the fabric by which families, and companies manage their
financial affairs.

When the Reserve fund broke the buck, and it seemed like an all-out rout of money markets was inevitable, the result would have been a virtual elimination of capital access by everyone: from households to companies. This reverberated for months, as the also presumably extremely safe Commercial Paper market was the next to freeze up, side by side with all traditional forms of credit. Only after the Fed stepped in an guaranteed money markets, and turned on the liquidity stabilization first, then quantitative easing spigot second, did things go back to some sort of new normal. However, it is only a matter of time before the patchwork of band aids holding the dam together is once again exposed, and a new, stronger and, well, "improved" run on the electronic bank materializes. It is precisely this contingency that the SEC and the administration are preparing for by "empowering money market fund boards of directors to suspend redemptions in extraordinary circumstances to protect the interests of fund shareholders."

A little more on money markets:

Money market funds seek to limit exposure to losses due to credit, market, and liquidity risks. Money market funds, in the United States, are regulated by the Securities and Exchange Commission's (SEC) Investment Company Act of 1940. Rule 2a-7 of the act restricts investments in money market funds by quality, maturity and diversity. Under this act, a money fund mainly buys the highest rated debt, which matures in under 13 months. The portfolio must maintain a weighted average maturity (WAM) of 90 days or less and not invest more than 5% in any one issuer, except for government securities and repurchase agreements.

Ironically, the proposed change to Rule 2a-7 seeks to make dramatic changes to the composition of MMs: from 90 days, the WAM would get shortened to 60 days. And this is occurring at a time when the government is desperately seeking to find ways of extending maturities and durations of short-term debt instruments: by reverse rolling the $3.2 trillion industry, the impetus will be precisely the reverse of what should be happening, as more ultra-short maturity instruments are horded up, leaving a dead zone in the 60-90 day maturity window. Some other proposed changes to 2a-7 include "prohibiting the funds from investing in Second Tier securities, as defined in Rule 2a-7. Eligible securities would be redefined as securities receiving only the highest, rather than the highest two, short-term debt ratings from a requisite nationally recognized securities rating  organization. Further, money market funds would be permitted to acquire long-term unrated securities only if they have received long-term ratings in the highest two, rather than the highest three, ratings categories." In other words, let's make them so safe, that when the time comes, nobody will have access to them. Brilliant.

The utility of money market funds has long been questioned by such systemically-embedded financial luminaries as Paul Volcker (more on this in a minute). After all, what are money markets if merely an easy, and 401(k)-eligible option to not invest in equity or bonds, but in "paper" which is cash in all but name (maybe not so much after the proposed Rule change passes). And as money markets account for a huge portion of the $11 trillion of mutual fund assets as of November (per ICI, whose opinion, incidentally, was instrumental in shaping future money market policy), $3.3 trillion to be precise, and second only to stock funds at $4.8 trillion, one can see why an administration, hell bent on recreating a stock-price bubble, would do all it can to make money markets extremely unattractive. In fact, the current administration has been on a roll on this regard: i) keeping money market rates at record lows, ii) removing money market fund guarantees and iii) and even allowing reverse repos to use money markets as sources of liquidity (because we all know that the collateral behind the banks shadow banking arrangement with the Fed are literally crap; as we have noted before, we will continue claiming this until the Fed disproves us by opening up their books for full inspection. Until then, yes, the Fed has lent out hundreds of billions against bankrupt company equity, as we have pointed out in the past).  Money Markets are the easiest recourse that idiotic class of Americans known as "savers" has to give the big bank oligarchs, the Fed and the bubble-inflating Administration the middle finger. As you will recall, recently Arianna Huffington has been soliciting all Americans do just that: to move their money out of the tentacles of the TBTFs. In essence, the money market optionality is precisely the equivalent of moving physical money from TBTFs to community banks in the "shadow economy." Because where there is $3.3 trillion out of $11, there could easily be $11 trillion out of $11, which would destroy the whole concept of Fed-spearheaded asset-price inflation, and would destroy overnight the TBTFs, as equities would once again find their fair value. It is no surprise then, that the current financial system, and its political cronies loathe the concept of Money Markets, and have done all they could to make them as unattractive as possible. Below is a chart of the Net Assets held by all US money market funds and the number of money market mutual funds since January 2008:

Obviously, attempts to push capital out of MMs have succeeded: after peaking at $3.9 trillion, currently money markets hold a two year low of $3.27 trillion. Furthermore, the number of actual money market fund operations has been substantially hit: from 2,078 in the days after the Lehman implosion, this is now down to 1,828, a 12% reduction. At this rate soon there won't be all that many money market funds to chose from. While the AUM reduction is explicable through the previously mentioned three factors, the actual reduction in number of funds is on the surface not quite a straightforward, and will likely be the topic a future Zero Hedge post. Although, the impetus of managing money when one can return at most 0.6% annually, and charge fees on this "return" may be missing - the answer may be far simpler than we think. Why run a money market, when the Fed will be happy to issue you a bank charter, and you can collect much more, risk free, courtesy of the vertical yield curve.

Yet what is strange is that even with all the adverse consequences of holding cash in Money Markets, the total AUM of this "safest" investment option is still substantial, at nearly $3.3 trillion as of December 30, a big decline yes, but a decline that should have been much greater considering even the president since March 3 has been beckoning his daily viewership to invest in cheap stocks courtesy of low "profit and earning ratios" (that, and the specter of President's Working Group on Financial Markets). Could this action, whereby investors will no longer have access to money that historically has been sacrosanct and reachable and disposable on a moment's notice, be the last nail in the coffin of money markets? We believe so, however, we are not sure if it will attain the desired effect. With an aging baby boomer population, which would rather burn their money than invest in the stock market again and relive the roller-coaster days of late 2008 and early 2009, the plan may well backfire, and result in even more money leaving the shadow system and entering such tangible objects as deposit accounts (at community banks, of course), mattresses and socks. And speaking of the President's Working Group...

The Group of Thirty

When discussing the shadow economy, it is only fitting to discuss the shadow decision-makers. In this regard, the Group of 30, is to the traditional economic decision-making process as the President's Working Group is to capital markets. Taken from the website, the self-description reads innocently enough:

The Group of Thirty, established in 1978, is a private, nonprofit, international body composed of very senior representatives of the private and public sectors and academia. It aims to deepen understanding of international economic and financial issues, to explore the international repercussions of decisions taken in the public and private sectors, and to examine the choices available to market practitioners and policymakers. The Group's members meet in plenary sessions twice a year with select guests to discuss important economic, financial and policy developments. They reach out to a wider audience in seminars and symposia.  Of most importance to our membership and supporters is the annual International Banking Seminar.

Sounds like any old D.C.-based think tank... until one looks at the roster of members:

  • Paul A. Volcker, Chairman of the Board of Trustees, Group of Thirty, Former Chairman, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
  • Jacob A. Frenkel, Chairman, Group of Thirty, Vice Chairman, American International Group, Former Governor, Bank of Israel
  • Jean-Claude Trichet, President, European Central Bank, Former Governor, Banque de France
  • Zhou Xiaochuan, Governor, People’s Bank of China, Former President, China Construction Bank, Former Asst. Minister of Foreign Trade
  • Yutaka Yamaguchi, Former Deputy Governor, Bank of Japan, Former Chairman, Euro Currency Standing Commission
  • William McDonough, Vice Chairman and Special Advisor to the Chairman, Merrill Lynch, Former Chairman, Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, Former President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
  • Richard A. Debs, Advisory Director, Morgan Stanley, Former President, Morgan Stanley International, Former COO, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
  • Abdulatif Al-Hamad, Chairman, Arab Fund for Economic and Social Development, Former Minister of Finance and Minister of Planning, Kuwait
  • William R. Rhodes, Senior Vice Chairman, Citigroup, Chairman, President and CEO, Citicorp and Citibank
  • Ernest Stern, Partner and Senior Advisor, The Rohatyn Group, Former Managing Director, JPMorgan Chase, Former Managing Director, World Bank
  • Jaime Caruana, Financial Counsellor, International Monetary Fund, Former Governor, Banco de España, Former Chairman, Basel Committee on Banking Supervision
  • E. Gerald Corrigan, Managing Director, Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Former President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
  • Andrew D. Crockett, President, JPMorgan Chase International, Former General Manager, Bank for International Settlements
  • Guillermo de la Dehesa Romero, Director and Member of the Executive Committee, Grupo Santander, Former Deputy Managing Director, Banco de España, Former Secretary of State, Ministry of Economy and Finance, Spain
  • Mario Draghi, Governor, Banca d’Italia, Chairman, Financial Stability Forum, Member of the Governing and General Councils, European Central Bank, Former Vice Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs International
  • Martin Feldstein, Professor of Economics, Harvard University, President Emeritus, National Bureau of Economic Research, Former Chairman, Council of Economic Advisers
  • Roger W. Ferguson, Jr., Chief Executive, TIAA-CREF, Former Chairman, Swiss Re America Holding Corporation, Former Vice Chairman, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
  • Stanley Fischer, Governor, Bank of Israel, Former First Managing Director, International Monetary Fund
  • Philipp Hildebrand, Vice Chairman of the Governing Board, Swiss National Bank, Former Partner, Moore Capital Management
  • Paul Krugman, Professor of Economics, Woodrow Wilson School, Princeton University, Former Member, Council of Economic Advisors
  • Kenneth Rogoff, Thomas D. Cabot Professor of Public Policy and Economics, Harvard University, Former Chief Economist and Director of Research, IMF

and, of course:

  • Timothy F. Geithner, President and Chief Executive Officer, Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Former U.S. Undersecretary of Treasury for International Affairs
  • Lawrence Summers, Charles W. Eliot University Professor, Harvard University, Former President, Harvard University, Former U.S. Secretary of the Treasury

and many more. Given the choice of being a fly on the wall at a G7 meeting or that of the "Group of 30", we would be very curious to see who would pick the former over the latter. These are the people, whose "reports" and groupthink determines the financial fate of the world: their vested interest in perpetuating the status quo is second to none. Which is why we read with great interest a recent paper from the Group of 30: Financial Reform, A Framework for Financial Stability, released on January 15, 2009, deep in the heart of the crisis. While the paper has enough insight for many, non-related posts (we are already working on several), we will focus on the policy recommendations presented for money market funds.

Money Market Mutual Funds and Supervision

Recommendation 3:


a. Money market mutual funds wishing to continue to offer bank-like services, such as transaction account services, withdrawals on demand at par, and assurances of maintaining a stable net asset value (NAV) at par should be required to reorganize as special-purpose banks, with appropriate prudential regulation and supervision, government insurance, and access to central bank lender-of-last-resort facilities.


b. Those institutions remaining as money market mutual funds should only offer a conservative investment option with modest upside potential at relatively low risk. The vehicles should be clearly differentiated from federally insured instruments offered by banks, such as money market deposit funds, with no explicit or implicit assurances to investors that funds can be withdrawn on demand at a stable NAV. Money market mutual funds should not be permitted to use amortized cost pricing, with the implication that they carry a fluctuating NAV rather than one that is pegged at US$1.00 per share.

The phrasing of "with no explicit or implicit assurances to investors that funds can be withdrawn on demand at a stable NAV" should be sufficient to whiten the hairs of every proponent of money markets as a "safe" investment alternative. Yet what the SEC has done, is to take the Group of 30 recommendation, and take it to the next level: not only will funds not have explicit assurance of any kind vis-a-vis funding, but in fact, the redemption of said funds would be legally barred upon "extraordinary circumstances."

Rule 22e-3

From the SEC:

Proposed rule 22e–3(a) would permit a money market fund to suspend redemptions if: (i) The fund’s current price per share, calculated pursuant to rule 2a–7(c), is less than the fund’s stable net asset value per share; (ii) its board of directors, including a majority of directors who are not interested  persons, approves the liquidation of the fund; and (iii) the fund, prior to suspending redemptions, notifies the Commission of its decision to liquidate and suspend redemptions, by electronic mail directed to the attention of our Director of the Division of Investment Management or the Director’s designee. These proposed conditions are intended to ensure that any suspension of redemptions will be consistent with the underlying policies of section 22(e). We understand that suspending redemptions may impose hardships on investors who rely on their ability to redeem shares. Accordingly, our proposal is limited to permitting suspension of this statutory protection only in extraordinary circumstances. Thus, the proposed conditions, which are similar to those of the temporary rule, are designed to limit the availability of the rule to circumstances that present a significant risk of a run on the fund. Moreover, the exemption would require action of the fund board (including the independent directors), which would be acting in its capacity as a fiduciary. The proposed rule contains an additional provision that would permit us to take steps to protect investors. Specifically, the proposed rule would permit us to rescind or modify the relief provided by the rule (and thus require the fund to resume honoring redemptions) if, for example, a liquidating fund has not devised, or is not properly executing, a plan of liquidation that protects fund shareholders. Under this provision, the Commission may modify the relief ‘‘after appropriate notice and opportunity for hearing,’’ in accordance with section 40 of the Act.

Lots of keywords there: "fiduciary", "impose hardships" but most notably "permit us to take steps to protect investors." Uh, SEC, no thanks. We can protect ourselves. Your protection so far has resulted in the Madoff scandal, the BofA fiasco, billions in insider trading profits and not one guilty person, who did not manage to escape unscathed with merely a wrist slap in the form of some pathetic fine. With all due respect, SEC, any proposal that involves you acting to "protect" us should be immediately banned and any further discussion ended.

Especially in this case: what the SEC is proposing is simple - the entire market structure has been converted to a hedge fund. When investors hear the word "suspend redemptions" they envisioned a battered, pro-cyclical, leveraged, permabullish hedge fund, that suddenly "found itself" down 30, 40, 50 or more percent, and to avoid instantaneous liquidation, had to bar redemptions. Forgive us, but is the SEC confirming that the entire market is now one big casino, one big government subsidized hedge fund, where as long as things go up, all is good, but the second things take a leg down, just like any ponzi, nobody will be allowed to pull their money? Maybe Madoff should have created the same redemption suspension: his fund would still be alive and thriving, now that the government has become the biggest ponzi conductor of all time. And nobody would have been the wiser. But instead, the Securities and Exchange Commission, in discussions with the Group of 30, Barney Frank, and any other conflicted individuals who only care about protecting their own money for one more year, has decided, in its infinite wisdom, to make money markets a complete scam. And this is the gist of regulatory reform in America.


At this point it is without doubt that even the government understands that when things turn sour, and they will, the run on the bank will be unavoidable: their solution - prevent money from being dispensed, when that moment comes. The thing about crises, be they liquidity, solvency, or plain-vanilla, is that "price discovery" occurs all at once, and at the very same time. And all too often, investors "discover" they were lied to, as the emperor, in any fiat system, always has no clothes. Just like in September 2008, when the banks were forced to look at each-others' balance sheet and realize that there are no real assets on the left backing up the liabilities on the right, so the moment of enlightenment occurs are the most importune time: just ask Hank Paulson. Had he known his action of beefing up Goldman's FICC trading axes would have resulted in the "Ice-Nine'ing" (to borrow a Mark Pittman term) of money markets, who knows- maybe Lehman would have still been alive. Perhaps risking the cash access of 20% of US households and 80% of companies was not worth the few extra zeroes in Goldman's EPS. But we will never know. What we will know, is that now i) the government is all too aware that the market has become one huge ponzi, and that all investment vehicles, even the safest ones, are subject to bank runs, and ii) that said bank runs, will occur. It is only a matter of time. And just as the president told everyone directly to buy the market on March 3, so the SEC, the Group of 30, and Barney Frank are telling us all, much less directly, to get the hell out of Dodge. Alternatively, the game of "last fool in", holding the burning hot potato, can continue indefinitely, until such time as the marginal utility of each and every dollar printed by Ben Bernanke is zero.


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Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:09 | 2634120 Larry Dallas
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Hide yo wife, hide yo daughters, hide your PMs.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:13 | 2634129 slaughterer
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Momo darling CMG tumbling in AH.  Why no snarky ZH Schadenfreude?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:17 | 2634137 FEDbuster
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One more time for those whom haven't seen this:

Ninety Miles An Hour Down a Dead End Street Posted by Ann Barnhardt - July 12, AD 2012 11:39 AM MST


People are emailing asking what firm I recommend.



The ENTIRE SYSTEM is totally, completely corrupt and therefore NO FIRM IS SAFE. Don't be stupid. Don't be obtuse. Snap yourself out of the Stockholm Syndrome that you are clearly stuck in. Get ALL MONEY out of the ENTIRE FINANCIAL SYSTEM, including stocks, bonds, retirement accounts, futures, EVERYTHING.

But what about . . .

What part of EVERYTHING are you not comprehending?

One. More. Time.

If you can't touch it, if it isn't physically on your property such that you can stand in front of it with an assault rifle and PHYSICALLY defend it, you don't own it, and it could be confiscated/stolen from you at any time, if it ever actually existed at all.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:18 | 2634148 Surly Bear
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You didn't do anything to create your wealth. Somebody else did that!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:21 | 2634160 SilverTree
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Timewave zero Bitchez!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:30 | 2634185 I think I need ...
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if your going to panic its good to panic early bitchez


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:43 | 2634237 francis_sawyer
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 "What does the Fed know about market liquidity conditions that it does not want to share, and more importantly, is the Fed seeing a rapid deterioration in liquidity conditions in the future, that may and/or will prompt retail investors to pull their money in another Lehman-like bank run repeat?"


Gee whiz... I think everyone on ZH has thought about this every single fucking dayt for about the last 3-4 years now, so it only stands to reason that THE FED might be starting, just starting mind you, to think about this now...

Remember... "Subprime is contained"...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:24 | 2634357 Chief KnocAHoma
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1 - Ann Barnhardt is sexy!

2 - Is there any way we could hold these elections in August?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:16 | 2634491 AlaricBalth
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One of the best, most comprehensive pieces I have read on ZeroHedge.

Thank you!!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:30 | 2634528 DoChenRollingBearing
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Great piece, great comment.

+ 1

I yanked $500 more from the ATM on my drive home.

Run, Bitchez!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:30 | 2634531 markmotive
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First they force you to hold currency. Then they destroy the currency.

Gold $8000

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:36 | 2634551 i-dog
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"is the Fed seeing a rapid deterioration in liquidity conditions in the future"

Yes. Very soon. They are the ones who will engineer it.

Next question?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:57 | 2634578 Harlequin001
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'A key feature of the proposal is that large redemptions would subordinate a portion of an investor’s MBR, creating a disincentive to redeem if the fund is likely to have losses.' so not unlike the 'market value adjusters' that applied to 'with profits 'funds that crippled thousands of investors.

'...if the fund is likely to have losses.' - what are they saying here, that MMF's are not fairly valued on a mark to market basis, and that they can incur hidden losses?

'In particular, we suggest a rule that would subordinate a portion of a redeeming shareholders’ MBR, so that the redeemer’s MBR absorbs losses before those of non?redeemers.' Hey I've got a really cool and innovative idea, why don't we just value the fucking thing properly so that the price is always accurate and those who stay, just like those who redeem know exactly how much their investment is worth? Is that not mind blowingly novel? And it gets better, because those new investors won't be paying the inflated share price in which the losses are hidden in the first place. They will be buying it for it's fair price, that is if they're totally stupid. But if there's one thing worse than being totally stupid, it's being skint and totally stupid.

This is nothing more than a central bank conspiring to allow fund managers to deliberately mislead investors so that it can retain investors funds. Not only are they now condoning lying to the public but are also now conspiring to prevent you from taking your money out.

Why don't you just buy gold and be done with it and then simply wait for these MMF investors to come your way, and thereby blowing the price of your gold through the stratosphere?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:23 | 2634665 derek_vineyard
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real fear hit in 2008 when money markets and cash beyond fdic limits were market yields went to 8% as all commercial paper was deemed junk  (treasury money markets were closed to new investors by many brokerages including vanguard and are still closed today and there was nowhere to hide)

that was just a prelude......what if the Fed allowed more than 1 money market to break the buck?    a bank run!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:41 | 2634705 WillyGroper
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I know 2 people that got stuck in the Reserve Primary Fund for a while. Not nice.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:12 | 2634920 Harlequin001
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The thing is any ordinary fund manager can go to jail for precisely what these guys are contemplating, incorrectly valueing funds.

But isn't that what Lieborgate is all about?

and these people are making excuses for it because it's in our 'best interests' to keep the system going. You must be joking.

If ever there was a need to get your money out of the US and into gold offshore, this is it. It's one thing to take the piss out of Goldman's clients for being muppets but if you don't see this one coming then you really are the biggest muppet of them all...

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 04:08 | 2635045 AldousHuxley
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Get OUT?


You can't escape the collective greed spreading US dollars all over the world.


They tax the shit out of you, so that you put your savings into tax-exempt accounts which basically puts money back in control of the government.


Ghadaffi had tons of gold, but US military went after him, and no hedge fund manager will hold more than 25% of personal assets in gold for fear of missing out.

Largest gold owner is the Fed, so they can manipulate.

You can't beat the system when you play by their rules.


Gold won't make you free when you are controlled by greed. Greed is what wall st. exploits to have you trade your time for Money.


They don't fine you when you commit a crime. They put you in jail to rob you of your time. They PAY you to be housed in jail $50k/year to rob you of your time.


Value your time......richest of the rich values time more than money. You can't buy time.

They tried to buy a new mother time away from her child by offering $100,000,000.....she is CEO of Yahoo at age 37. 


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 04:30 | 2635052 HardAssets
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Thing I hate most about

the bankster fuckers -

they steal our precious

limited time on this earth

with those we love.

We waste time struggling

against them.

Also hate that retired family

should be enjoying their last

years, not worrying about getting

by while their life's nestegg melts away,

victim of ZIRP for banksters.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 18:52 | 2637942 soccerballtux
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do not store up for yourself treasure on earth, where moth and rust destroy, where thieves break in and steal, where governments tax, and banksters inflate

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:18 | 2634923 derek_vineyard
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yoelding .12 or so for prime money market , no wonder treasury yields can go negative

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:09 | 2635281 bernorange
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"This is nothing more than a central bank conspiring to allow fund managers to deliberately mislead investors so that it can retain investors funds."

Sounds like LIBOR all over again.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:00 | 2634717 Goldilocks
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Next question?        ...   what is liquidity?



In finance, a company's liquidity is the amount of cash or liquid assets it has easily available. is liquidity a type of faith based fiction?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:55 | 2634832 Oh regional Indian
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Actually, it's a reality based sludge. 

No-Flotm (Liquidity You Cannot Haz!)



Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:29 | 2635005 HardAssets
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A bigger question is - what is 'cash' ?  As I read through their proposal it all strikes me as complete b.s. . . . the trillions of 'dollars' ?  WTF is a 'dollar' today anyway ?   I'm getting more PMs.  Others can do what they want,  good luck to them.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:38 | 2634798 Element
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But ... bu ... I really don't get this ... everything was ok on Tuesday.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:44 | 2634563 engineertheeconomy
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The time has come.

The guys at the very top of the heap have started eating eachothers faces off.

It's time to buy some big Gold bricks and bury them.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:49 | 2634416 Unbezahlbar
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good links. btw, during an interview the other day, John Williams over at Shadow Stats said silver may climb to $200 in time. Sorry I don't have the link anymore....he is always super informative.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:12 | 2634481 HungrySeagull
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Hell call it 20 - 1 ration and make it... 80. 12 to 1 = $133.

Maybe a bit more if the Gold Price waffles around 1600.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:16 | 2634342 resurger
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the lemmings are still goaded to the abbatoir as long as they make money they dont give any flying fucks!

Well 2008 was real estate bubble, now we have 2 bubbles , Bonds bubble and equity bubble.

The bonds and equity will cave in in one fine morning, you will wake up and you will see the brickwall infront of you .. that's the moment of truth.

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:30 | 2634781 Larry Dallas
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This generation still remembers all too well the bust of 2001. So that makes 3 bubbles. That evaporation lead to folks levering up to lose it all - and more - in 2008.


(Chiming in from the Regal Beagle)

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:48 | 2634574 disabledvet
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Good point...absolutely valid as well. Hasn't the bank run already occurred tho? Obviously "we can't see it" because the Fed has (literally) "papered it over." But just as obviously...and as I have said (famously in my view...of course) "the Fed is not a publicly traded corporation." in other words and I guess all I have ever said is "it worked. They got away with it." in other words interest rates AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL...did not, nor have they since...explode higher. Of course "past performance is not a predictor of future results." is your past performance however...because I have no fear of including mine.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:57 | 2634294 Ineverslice
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Banks still open for 4 more hrs. here on HST. Maybe another large withdrawl in tens and twenties to piss off the clueless tellers that keep me waiting in line.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:50 | 2634422 max2205
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And poof.... 3 trillion, gone!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 04:35 | 2635053 HardAssets
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3 trillion what gone ?  Illusions that people obey ?

How come we never hear about Iceland ?  Their eyes opened to the illusion, and they

told the criiminals to go bugger off (or the Icelandic equivalent phrase)

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:12 | 2636199 AGuy
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No Worries! This is just part of a Surprise Holiday for Bankers:

A Banking Holiday!

After all, all those hard working bankers stealing money of the middle class deserve a some time off. Maybe a week, month, couple of years..

Perhaps Corzine was a prodigy. Since his plan worked, other will surely follow. Why not go on stealing more money? A. He didn't go to jail, B. the American people didn't revolt. Americans were too busy watching American Idol (or is American Idiot) and  Dancing with the stars. They don't care if they are fleeced! Ready - Set GO! Let the fleecing begin!


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:32 | 2634382 Poor Grogman
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Is nothing too sacred for the "Group of 30 Bozo's" to fuck over.

This will backfire just like everything they touch,.

Once again they ignore the "Human action" dimension of their so called planning.

No wonder the system is dying on the vine if this is the best deal that 3.5 Trillion can find these days.

It must be sobering for those in the "Group of 30" to stare reality in the face and realise that it is all coming apart on their watch.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:34 | 2634696 AlaricBalth
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Sobering? This Group of 30 is so drunk from their own arrogance and insatiable desire for more and more power that they actually subscribe to the utter nonsense that they try to foist upon the masses.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:44 | 2635152 merizobeach
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I wasn't surprised at all to see Volcker, Trichet, Draghi, Dudley, Fischer, and Summers, but I was actually a little surprised to see Krugman; I guess I just thought that everybody found him to be insufferable.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:20 | 2635951 Jethro
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I'm sure we can collectively find another 22 so that a good deck of cards can be made (like in the Iraq war).


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 04:38 | 2635056 HardAssets
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Theyre brining it down, my friend. Its not an accident. Sounds 'outrageous', I know.  Do some research; they want their New World Order. Crazy bastards.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:57 | 2635473 northerngirl
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They have already brought it down, the general public is just not seeing it, nor felt the real pain yet.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:35 | 2634548 ZeroAvatar
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"You have to create your wealth, to see how somebody else did it".

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:35 | 2634790 Dr. Richard Head
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Our 401k manager came into to talk to our chairman. He presented a profit share program using stocks as a vehicle. Here is my rough draft to the chairman. Snake oil salesmen.

The profit sharing program Bixel presented seems to be nothing more than to share the profits of our company's labor with Bixel's money management firm, as well sharing our company's profit with Wall Street stocks. 

I believe you would have greater impact with the employees with cash, as cash is king - for now. 

Between redemption request restrictions mandated by government and stock redemption restrictions, not to mention withdrawal penalties and market fluctuations, the money is hindered by the hands that hold it. Dont forget tax implications on capital gains and the arbitrary holding periods fiddled with in congress, as well as taxable rates Smoke and mirrors for the sake of a corporate tax breaks perhaps, but I don't know the motivating factor in the profit sharing consideration other than Bixel wanting to talk to you about it. 

To be so concerned by health insurance premium increases under Obama and then to throw the profits to employees in the form of market fluctuations tied to digital representations of fractional shares of another company's profits seems counterintuitive to me. 

Perhaps there is a piece of the puzzle I am missing, but based on our employee base and the above mentioned observations, I really think you would get more monetary motivation on increased bonuses to the employees then to had it over to a ponzi of habitual gamblers liars and thieves. If you need proof of the thievery I have a clear annotated list of prosecuted examples in my possession for your review. 

Just my thoughts. As a non-voting board member, I wanted to share. 

Sent from my iPhone

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 04:45 | 2635059 HardAssets
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Good phone text. And you didnt even use cuss words. That must have been tough.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:39 | 2635204 Hobie
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I imagine he uttered your name upon receiving that message. Well done Richard!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:11 | 2634637 JoBob
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If you're going to panic...

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:04 | 2634910 Element
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Create the problem, present the solution.

Version 2.0

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:58 | 2634297 nmewn
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"You didn't do anything to create your wealth. Somebody else did that!"

THE glimpse into the inner workings of minds of statists everywhere, no matter their stripes. He's just the only one arrogant enough to come out and say it...with the audacity of a dope.

You see, you took on no risk at all to your savings or credit because there was a street in front of your business. Never mind there are streets in Moscow too. And vacant shopping centers and business parks everywhere here. You don't pay taxes yourself for that street to be there because you don't use it somehow, you teleport to your business by PFM, somebody else pays those taxes.

This has got to be the stupidest thing he's ever said...and thats saying something in itself...what does he say for an encore?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:11 | 2634334 pain_and_soros
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The fact that his playing to his audience (the entitlement crowd) got loud applause in support of these statements should tell you that he is merely preparing for the gutting of whatever is left of the declining number of middle class and giving what they have to the "poor", thereby wiping out any hope for escape from a fascist state, while the 1% take TOTAL CONTROL of EVERYTHING...



Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:26 | 2634363 nmewn
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So you're saying we're fucked...I have a tad bit more "hope" that there are enough slaves who want a "change" than you do I guess.

I have zero confidence that people don't have a price they will sell themselves out at...but this guy is the cheapest two bit whore I've ever seen...we really need to make this a more respectable whorehouse ;-)

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:50 | 2634424 Chief KnocAHoma
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I agree and I think I want to count the number of times I hear that ass hat say "I" or "me" between now and the election. I am realy tired of that egocentric bullshit. I mean really... you don't hear me doing that when I talk to people listening to me.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:18 | 2634500 nmewn
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Its a little different when he's sayin "I" when he talks about "the" administration and "the" government isn't it?

Its aslo a little different when he says "we" and "you". In this case "you" is business and the people who run them. While "we" is government.

Very odd, at the same time revealing.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:03 | 2634616 Chief KnocAHoma
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Yes! In Obama speak "you" = serf or peasant and "we" = rulers, elite o ass hats.

Of course "I", "me" also equals ass hat.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:50 | 2634821 AlaricBalth
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Hey Chief. In your previous post you used "I" in 13.72% of your total word count. Very good!!!

And yes, I have no life! :-\

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:21 | 2634351 XitSam
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Agree except I think he wasn't arrogant, he was off teleprompter and accidentally told us the truth. Watch the video, he's looking all over the place instead of his usual tennis match head.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:31 | 2634377 Chief KnocAHoma
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Everybody calm down! I do believe Romney's heart is in the right place. He may be a bit dry and boring and square, but right now we need a boring grown up at the helm of this freaking mess.

Plus he is rich enough that he doesn't need to steel from us, unlike some welfare sluts I know.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:46 | 2634415 donsluck
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You have underestimated the power of greed. To the white man, enough is NEVER enough.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:56 | 2634445 Chief KnocAHoma
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RACIST! Blast off!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:57 | 2635477 robobbob
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yes, those were white men cutting costs on baby formula.

In 10K worth of recorded history, not a single race has yet to prove that they have a lock on virtue for more then a couple of fleeting moments.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:23 | 2634514 pacu44
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  1. Your belief holds no value to me. You are simply wrong.
Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:32 | 2634538 JohnnyBriefcase
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I'm assuming there is an implied [/sarc] in your post otherwise I dont understand why you are wasting your time here.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:33 | 2634387 nmewn
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In my opinion, he is the most arrogant, conceited marxist I've ever seen.

And before some panty waist "progressive" challenges my word actually, go ahead ;-)

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:45 | 2634398 SgtShaftoe
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I'll bite, he's a fascist. :-). But I'm not a progressive, I'm a reformed republican turned libertarian.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:48 | 2634418 johny2
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President of the United States

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:50 | 2634423 Everybodys All ...
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I'd argue he is not a panty waist ... lol

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:05 | 2634463 nmewn
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Fascism & communism come from the same root...state control.

I think I've always been libertarian (mostly) its just that I have to vote for conservatives (dim or pug) because thats closer to what I believe. I'm for decriminalization of the same time I'm against expansion of the welfare the same time I'm for a national the same time I'm against privatation of prisons at the same time.... get the

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:56 | 2635162 Disenchanted
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Yes I'm for a national defense opposed to what we have, which is an international offense coupled with insane policies of constant meddling in all corners of the earth. Meanwhile we can't even keep our own house clean here at home.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:14 | 2634642 XitSam
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Oh, I agree he is arrogant, but in this case he didn't leak the truth because he is arrogant.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:23 | 2634668 nmewn
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I see your point...and concede it ;-)

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:12 | 2634921 Element
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The lies only have to be superficially plausible, the graphics, blather and cheese will do the rest.

Ding goes the bell ... means it's time to salivate.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:37 | 2635014 HardAssets
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Naw . . . its not the glimpse into the inner workings of statists minds . . . its into the minds of criminals

the various 'isms' are just a con

pretty words to use on the naive, while their pockets are picked

People are even dumb encough to sometimes die in the name of those con game 'isms'

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:37 | 2635144 BeetleBailey
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Man, I wish I was there when O-Cuntus spewed that. I would have made the news, because of my arrest, after shouting him down and calling him a total asshole.



...what a total cunt.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:34 | 2634198 negative rates
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Americans are well known for eventually doing the right thing.

They just try everything else first!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:53 | 2634243 SgtShaftoe
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That woman is nuttier than squirrel shit. Don't believe me, go watch/listen to her other videos/podcasts. However I do agree that even the safest companies, could have problems, and markets could have serious problems.  It's a matter of context and scale.  I still hold gold stocks, in the future I may choose to directly get the stock certificates, or cash in for bullion, time will tell, but to those of us who are hyper-aware, we should have some warning to take actions should they prove necessary.  The mass of unwashed, just check their 401k balances each quarter.  Even in Weimar, and Zimbabwe, you could still hold your stock positions through the unplesantness.  Krystalnacht didn't happen without months, years of blatant increasingly dire warnings.  The hapless victims were in either in denial, very stubborn or just not paying attention.   For those paying attention, where there's a will there's usually a way.  Just have Plan A, B, C, and D, then start thinking about plan F. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:59 | 2634301 FEDbuster
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Madoff, Lehman Brothers, Stanford Financial, MF Global, PFG Best .......  you are right your money is safe and sound, time to buy some more Tbonds, LOL.  BOOOO YAAAAA  

BTW the more I listen and read Barnhardt, the more I like her.   

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:13 | 2634327 SgtShaftoe
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If you fully buy into her logic, she'll have you in a homophobic, anti-contraceptive netherworld of god fearing hell, but if that's what you're into, that's cool with me.  I just don't want to live in that world and don't force it down my throat (as she would advocate).  She can't even peg Obama correctly, He's a fascist crony-capitalist, not a F--$ng marxist!  Her sheer lack of knowledge and logical abilities compounded by her literally militant agressive catholicism and lack of tolerance-acceptance ruins any credibility that she may have had in my mind. No, I'll stay with the Austrians and Ron Paul. 


Go watch this series from her (just this week).  It's a gem!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:52 | 2634429 FEDbuster
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"It's a gem!"

I agree with you on that.   I don't agree with everything she says, but I agree with her more often than not.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:35 | 2634792 SgtShaftoe
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That's the problem, anyone who intersperses truths and history with a bullshit agenda and totalitarianism ideas should be recognized for who they likely are, a totalitarian wannabe oof their own creation. Look at GW, and Obama, they do the same thing. She's selling something and has an agenda and I don't want any part of it. If it's a pressure sale of fact interspersed with bullshit, be afraid, no, run!

Stick with taleb, rothbard, Hayek, mises, Bastiat etc. they aren't as inflammatory, and captivating, but that's ok. They're probably far closer to what will actually happen than that witch.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:57 | 2634835 FEDbuster
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Right about now there are many of us whom are feeling a little "inflammatory".  When the grand ponzi collapses, there will have to be something for people to cling to, churches and the Constitution are a couple of things that work for quite a few Americans.  

Watching videos of naked cannibals on bath salts eating other peoples faces off or whatever deviant behavior you choose, makes one at least ponder the possibilities of today's America.   The Rodney King riots and Katrina were wake up calls, imagine that happening in every city with 50K+ population.  I think Ann Barnhardt presents very real possibilities of a post collapse America.  

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 00:07 | 2634854 SgtShaftoe
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In a country of this size of population, you are going to get at least a couple people who do anything you can think of.  Be wary of news reports.  They usually have some sort of agenda.  If you know the agenda, at least you can compensate. 

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:17 | 2635542 FEDbuster
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"you are going to get at least a couple people"?

Once again the Rodney King riots involved a few more than a couple of people.  Now the "Batman" movie shootingMore people are losing it as the Country moves towards the shit abyss.

You think EBT card holders will que up peacefully in a FEMA line waiting for their 5lb. bag of rice and beans?   Here's what it looked like in Atlanta when they passed out application forms for Section 8 housing:

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:37 | 2634938 Clashfan
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The toxicology report said the nekked face eater was not on bath salts. Just sayin'.

Now, the shirtless dude who jumped in front of my wife's car, screaming and brandishing a sickle, well...

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:01 | 2635838 FEDbuster
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We had a "naked guy" on bath salts or PCP here steal a Jeep from a campground, drive around like a crazy man, the cops finally stopped him, tazed him and the guy died on his way to the hospital.   This is in a small AZ city.  Plus, the Scottsdale naked carjacker last month who was on PCP.  The stories are almost daily.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:57 | 2635163 _underscore
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That's a very important point SS. The ultimate power of the powers that be is their power to divide & rule. That can be accomplished & facilitated in many ways - some more sophisticated than we give them credit for - they're not fools, no matter what we might like think. One sophisticated technique is to 'allow', apparently subversive, contrarian & anti-establishment, 'dangerous' people and/or organisations etc etc, to flourish. This achieves, firstly, a pressure release valve & safe (and knowable) conduit - all the easier to keep tabs on. Secondly, with careful benign neglect, useful idiots pollute the (essential & dangerous) message with their own pecadillos & pet hobby horse likes/dislikes. The waters become muddied. The central focus dissolves - just like it can here of ZH. The useful refuseniks can also propogate divisive memes (of an ethnic, religious, social nature) that, essentially, do the divide-and-rule bit for the PTB. Be careful brothers & sisters.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:02 | 2634452 Everybodys All ...
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marxist or fascist (who can be sure) at least she has been willing to state he's a very big problem. Too many in the media are afraid to state an opinion on him for fear of being drug through the political machinery. If you read Saul Alynsky (his book Rules for Radicals) which is what Obama as a community agitator was taught while in Chicago you will begin to understand the marxist ideals he has developed. Bill Ayers is a self described communist whome Obama kicked off his Illinois Senate campaign from his Chicago house. I don't think you can fault her (a Chicago resident) for that view when you look at that evidence.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:13 | 2634479 FEDbuster
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BTW Ann Barnhardt lives in rural Colorado.  I think she would consider living in Chicago to be like camping out at the gates of Hell.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 00:31 | 2634879 VallejoVillain
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FEDbuster you hit the nail on the head. The moral fibers / societal breakdown hes been eroding for years here in V-town. So many stupid people here, I can't stand this place sometimes. It's a saltine thin line here in the city of 116k+ from a freakin war zone. Not to mention all the other crazy ass cities in the vicinity like smokeland & SF. When the 33" rims + Amplified Bass + Buick = trouble

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:52 | 2634955 Manthong
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Ann would consider it a target rich environment.

Listen to the whole Vendee thing.. what she is right about should outweigh whatever disagreement you have with her fervor or religion. 

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:52 | 2635035 HardAssets
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Peoples own background & experience color their views of others, including the guy slamming Barnhardt. 'Marxism' vs 'fascism' ? Who gives a flying f*ck ?  There's plenty of evidence for both views, and it doesnt matter. The 'isms' are nothing but a rhetorical cover for criminals robbing your ass.  Bottomline to me - - - keep what's useful , and toss out the rest. I think her statement about the markets and what is a real asset (what you can physically defend) is spot on

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:19 | 2634767 tmosley
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You need to learn to seperate people's arguments on different topics.  Einstein knew a lot about physics, but I wouldn't trust him to give me tax advice.  Likewise, I would trust Ann's years of experience as a broker when discussing finance and economics, but not on the subject of the magic man in the sky.

And fascists and Marxists are no more different from each other than Bloods are different from Crips.  They are just two competing groups that want your money.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:14 | 2634484 HungrySeagull
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Dumb ass.

Cash the gold stocks and Get physical.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:01 | 2634605 engineertheeconomy
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I hear paper is delicious if you put salt and paper on it.

sarc off/

Buy Physical if you still have at least one brain cell left

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:58 | 2634963 groundedkiwi
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lol you just reminded me of my mother in the 1950s. She would put salt and pepper on our bread for school lunch, and call them egg sandwiches.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:43 | 2634710 Dr.Engineer
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Dolt, you've been eating too much of that squirrel poo.

They are going to come for your 401K to make sure that the treasuries they replace it with, will provide you the needed revenue in your old age (if your stupidity doesn't get in the way of that).

It isn't your 401K because you can't defend it with an "assault rifle".

Wake up.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 00:10 | 2634856 TN Jed
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I like her passion and honesty but have to admit many of her views I believe are the result of being a female 40-year old virgin, sans habit.  (this info is straight out of her mouth on youtube)  Not judging her choice but a lack of human intimacy has to factor into her Old Testament style.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 04:14 | 2635046 HardAssets
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fuk it - - - same point made by someone else

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:45 | 2634465 californiagirl
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All those middle class working folks with their retirements locked up in 401(k)s are SOL.  Their investment choice?  Mutual funds front-run by TBTF banks, or illiquid MMFs.  Bummer!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 04:20 | 2635048 HardAssets
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Been talking to friends/family about their 401ks for a long time (thanks to the late & great Bob Chapman, rest his soul. Bob said to take the penalty, but move your money out.)   Blank looks from everyone. Will try again and use this ZH article to try to sway them

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:09 | 2634630 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ FEDbuster

+ $55,000  

Thank you!

I just went and poste it at my blog, the whole piece including the song.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:07 | 2634310 vast-dom
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let's simpify this: if there were not a current and much more severe liquidity crisis, then the need to print at a constant immeasurably high flow would never have been attempted. the fed is telegraphing Armageddon by announcing QE above and beyond their DAILY FLOW. when the liquidity runs occur they will be more cosmetic and perception-based, and that precisely is what threatens the nature of fiat currencies and constitution suberting tacit laws.


remember, the NYFed had the audacity to report that SP would be at 600 if there was no QE. So let us assume that there is a run such that SP drops by 60% overnight -- we are still at 600. so it's perception based until the real economic system based on food and various degrees of inelasticity in AD curve causes a severe REAL crash. the supply is dwindling as function of tighter corporate inventories, agriculture or less of it a la corn yields, and the bond bubble popping when people desperately pull out of that negative return nonsense -- and that is what the fed is ultimately most afraid of: when the bond bubble pops ZIRP and QE become net wildly exponential liabilities and then all access will be denied to most everything for most.


Rant over. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:02 | 2634608 fuu
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Want a beer?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:26 | 2635002 Skateboarder
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Dude I need a beer from just reading that haha. Bring the man a sixpack!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:53 | 2634826 world_debt_slave
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Useless, the drones are coming and no time to lose for the gov to ratchet up its reign of terror.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:13 | 2634134 Nihilarian
Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:33 | 2634197 Manthong
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I don't know what that is from, but Samuel L Jackson sure looks white there.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:00 | 2634304 Ineverslice
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Say "WHAT" again...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:37 | 2634555 shovelhead
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Must be from them M*F*ing snakes!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:16 | 2634142 HaroldWang
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The question becomes: why now?

Maybe cuz they read this from the IMF:

A failure of a large and systemic bank could test the ability of the ECB and crisis facilities to stem contagion. And reform slippage at the country level could have large negative spillovers throughout the euro area. The fear of euro area exit, if not countered swiftly and effectively, could spread to other economies perceived to have similar characteristics.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:20 | 2634158 tony bonn
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kanjorski was an eminence front peddling horse manure.....karl denninger got the slosh story right which means the crisis was staged and part of it was to fuck lehman...jpm saw to that.

and so now we are on to capital controls as the next crisis to never go to waste..

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:21 | 2634159 SemperFord
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Last week, I took all of my trading money from Optionshouse, don't think anybody is safe, keep the matresses stuffed partially with fiat, pm's and something to defend them with.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:54 | 2634285 PiratePawpaw
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I sold all the paper I could in late 2007. Did the same last summer. Im as out as I can get. Wish I was out more.

Spent it on REAL things. Guns, Gold, Grub.

I'll lose the paper retirement, but I'll be fine with what I PHYSICALLY have.

Biggest problem will be all those that run to me when TSfinallyHTF.

Working on that. :)

See you on the other side.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:16 | 2634493 HungrySeagull
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We might run to you, but packing weapons, silver and food.

If we don't have to stack too many bodys that decay in the street.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:23 | 2634163 zero19451945
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There seems to be a bit of a contradiction here. ZH always says that nobody understands the Shadow Banking System. Yet they do now all of a sudden?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:39 | 2634219 Tyler Durden
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The Fed most certainly understands shadow banking: in fact the biggest expert on the issue, probably in the entire world, Zoltan Pozsar, used to work on the PPT desk at Liberty 33.

Zoltan Pozsar is a Visiting Scholar at the IMF. Prior to the IMF, Mr Pozsar was with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s Markets Desk where he led the Bank’s efforts to map and monitor the shadow banking system. Mr Pozsar consulted policymakers globally about shadow banking including the US Department of the Treasury, the White House, the BIS, the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England. During the financial crisis Mr Pozsar was part of the Markets Desks’ daily cross market monitoring efforts, informing FOMC members about market developments. Prior to the Fed, Mr. Pozsar was a US macroeconomist for six years at Moody’s

Now the media, and other blogs... that's another story.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:41 | 2634227 SilverTree
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All we need to know is that it needs to die. :-)

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:55 | 2634591 disabledvet
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Nothing soaring interest rates can't cure. Depending on what you mean by "it" of course. I define "it" as "money."

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:51 | 2634271 zero19451945
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I'm having a real tough time believing that the same group of useless academics who didn't see the current mess coming (and still can't explain why it happened) have turned into wise sages and are proactively preparing for the next one. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:20 | 2634348 Tyler Durden
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They understand perfectly well what is going on and what is coming. The issue is that they have no other alternative than continuing a broken status quo which by definition means buying extra time at any cost.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:37 | 2634394 fonzannoon
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Hey Tyler if you are out there why wouldn't these banks, knowing what is coming, just short the shit out of themselves. Ride into the sunset on their own demise?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:44 | 2634412 tmosley
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The central bankers would have them killed.  Shorting burns time.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:43 | 2634944 Temporalist
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Agreed Tmos.  That question is like asking "If you have monopoly money why not just try to have the most of it?"

If you need an answer to that then you don't get the real problem.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:03 | 2634457 Michael
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One question; Does dead money have any value?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:58 | 2634597 disabledvet
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Coins have historical value. I do keep a 1950's era "Silver Certificate" as a keepsake.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:08 | 2634627 engineertheeconomy
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Vet, my ass...

More like a mentally disabled troll...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:58 | 2634838 disabledvet
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actually you can find coins in archeological digs in the Phillipines with Alexander the Great's face on it. Can't say i can put a value on it since i'm not a coin collector...but as an historian if you want to actually understand "a time a place" the easiest place to start is to look at "what they do with their money over time." (it's always the same mr. "engineer the economy"--it's called DEBASEMENT. Don't worry "everybody does it must be okay." Now back to your regularly scheduled programming!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:24 | 2634928 Yen Cross
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 Point Taken. Perhaps, double vision?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:33 | 2634386 Mercury
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Now that the front two wheels of the bus are hanging over the cliff it's not too hard to figure out where the danger lies.

So, they're locking the doors...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:17 | 2634495 HungrySeagull
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Everyone running to the back holding the COG from the edge.

Need something else to push em over.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:10 | 2634629 i-dog
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Secede and repudiate odious debt/s. That'll fuck 'em!

We're going to have to rebuild anyway, so let's do it on OUR terms...before they lock up the toolshed!!!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 00:07 | 2634853 disabledvet
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ye olde "seagull on the hood" should do the trick

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:40 | 2635022 HungrySeagull
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I am amused. It is actually funny!

Thank you for the lift!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:42 | 2634406 Poor Grogman
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The ponzi still has wealth that can be stolen, therefore it will continue for some time.

Just make sure that your personal wealth is off the table as much as possible.

Do you think Volker or Krugman or "the others" will have their cash sitting in a money market fund after this rule comes in?


Wake the fuck up dude...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:43 | 2634410 nmewn
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What they do (academics) is siphon...they are not sages, they are tenured parasites.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:53 | 2634431 Miss Expectations
Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:04 | 2634460 Piranhanoia
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You might consider it as a continuing process that began decades ago and has risen before our eyes and transformed into the hydra because it no longer needs to live in the shadow. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:24 | 2634515 Ness.
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Bookies don't care who wins the game.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:38 | 2634558 Dr. Engali
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What makes you think they didn't see it coming? These people knew exactly what would happen. Remember Chuck Prince's "still dancing" comment? They knew and they planned it.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:51 | 2634584 James_Cole
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Underestimating their intelligence is the first mistake.. A lot of people like to say how stupid these guys are (whether Dimon, Bernanke etc.) meanwhile they're robbing you blind and partying on your dime. Who's stupid?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:17 | 2634651 gookempucky
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Maybe this might help some understand the SBS european style.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:08 | 2634750 Dr. No
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Great, the guy in charge is a poser.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:24 | 2634165 PiratePawpaw
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We have been living an illusion for at least 30 years. We have written checks against the future to prolong the illusion past it's due date. The checks are about to come due. TPTB will do everything in their power to prolong the illusion as they are the prime benifactors. They will succeed longer than anyone will expect. But ultimately, "that which cannot last forever, wont".

We have built the house of cards as high as it can go. We are stealing cards from the bottom to try to extend the top a little further. When it falls (and it must), there will be hell to pay for the 99% and 1%, and all the % in between.

Trust in what you can hold in your hand and do for yourself. Paper will be worthless.

Access to water, renewable food, protection, something to barter (read PM's), friends, family and god.

See you on the other side.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:37 | 2634213 SilverTree
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P-Paw, in what neck of the woods do you live?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:47 | 2634258 PiratePawpaw
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Rural North Texas. 2 acres on a lake.(good Crappie) Not in a municipal tax district.

I have about 50 lbs silver here somewhere.(its under all the ammo)

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:19 | 2634502 HungrySeagull
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I aint too far out then. North Arkansas for me.

No city in sight.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:55 | 2634439 donsluck
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What is god? Other side of what? Life is a continuum, there is no side, event horizons only exist outside 1 of 3 types of black holes.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 00:47 | 2634895 TN Jed
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"Forget about your house of cards
And I'll do mine.

And fall off the table, get swept under

Denial. Denial.

The infrastructure will collapse
Votage spikes
Throw your keys in the bowl
Kiss your husband goodnight"

- Radiohead, House of Cards

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:57 | 2634953 Temporalist
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Radiohead - Hail to the Thief [Full Album]

Are you such a dreamer
To put the world to rights
I'll stay home forever
Where two and two always makes a five


Nothing equals what is said.  2+2=5...and on and on...a great album about rehypothecation and fraud.


Track 14 Wolf At The Door --- name speaks for itself

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