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Greece Denies Rumors Of An Orderly Default With 50% Debt Haircut

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The onslaught of half fiction, half lies from Greece continues after the Greek government was forced to deny the latest set of truth leaks, in this case that Greece is preparing for an orderly default, which it obviously is: there is no way the country can hope to implement the terms of the July 21 bail out now, especially with a dead silence on the terms of the bond exchange offer which means it has failed miserably. What it is certainly right about is that there is no truth to a debt haircut being just 50%: it will be far more, and the reality is it the haircut severity probably won't have much of an impact - most French and German banks have long since wound down their Greek exposure. The key question is how long before the other PIIGS follow suit. Another important question is whether the orderly default will come before the next IMF capital injections is provided to the country or after, and if it will be too late for an orderly bankruptcy then, and instead we get a disorderly one. From Reuters: "Greece denied on Friday newspaper reports that one option in the debt crisis would be an orderly default with a 50 percent haircut for bondholders. "Greece denies the reports," a senior government official told Reuters on condition of anonymity." And we all know what official denials mean...

More:

Separately, the Finance Ministry said, in reaction to the reports, that the country was committed to implementing a second, 109 billion euro bailout agreed with its international lenders in July.

 

"All other discussions, rumours, comments, scenarios which are diverting our attention from this central target and Greece's political obligation ... do not help our common European task," Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos said in a statement.

 

Two Greek newspapers said on Friday Venizelos outlined options to lawmakers, also including a disorderly default or the implementation of a second bailout package agreed between Greece, the European Union and the International Monetary Fund in July.

Looks like the FT will sure be busy in the countrintelligence arena today.

 

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Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:49 | 1700369 The4thStooge
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we promise, no default.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:53 | 1700379 Kuri
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This is G Pap's way : "gimme my money or I default". Well... it works... so far.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:52 | 1700378 MK ultra
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What a coincidence. I'm going for a haircut this morning.

And hoping PM's go down another 10%.

Backin up that truck boss!

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:54 | 1700382 loftgroovv
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"reality is it the haircut severity probably won't have much of an impact - most French and German banks have long since wound down their Greek exposure."

Pffft, not so sure on that one Tyler.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:05 | 1700413 Snidley Whipsnae
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"most French and German banks have long since wound down their Greek exposure."

The French and German banks must have sold it to the Fed... Who else would buy it?

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:48 | 1700570 Ned Zeppelin
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Agree - Offloaded to who? Or is it whom? And what about the CDSs - are those gone too? Who would be dumb enough to take over those exposures? And if the deal is done, but not yet consummated, what of the solvency of the counterparty? Sounds like more "we're hedged/collateralized" nonsense to me.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:54 | 1700385 bania
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PM's bidding the johnny-come-latelys... "Adieu!"

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:54 | 1700386 Snidley Whipsnae
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Beware Greeks bearing rumors of no defaut.

Beware of banks holding Greek debt.

Beware of dead Athenian philosphers.

Beware of Spartans offering to raise your children.

Beware of olive oil.

Beware of fiat.

 

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:55 | 1700388 1835jackson
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C'mon everyone knows that BIG BAD BEARDED BEN stands ready with his monopoly money. He just needs a crisis to start the printing presses again.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:56 | 1700394 buzzsaw99
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Don't worry, taxpayers will make sure that bank bonuses keep flowing no matter what happens.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:59 | 1700401 Snidley Whipsnae
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If only the taxpayers had the wherewithall to pay their taxes... or the inclination... or both

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:58 | 1700398 Diplodicus Rex
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Why has there been a wipeout in gold and silver this morning? Has there been another margin hike or are traders liquidating gold to pay for their losses elsewhere?

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:03 | 1700407 Snidley Whipsnae
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'Weak hands' being shaken out... Gold/PMs flowing West to East...

Western Central Banks have decided to go all in to keep their fiats afloat... So they are shoveling gold into the markets to suppress price...

SE Asians are saying thank you for selling us this real money for so few fiatscos.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:07 | 1700422 Diplodicus Rex
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Thanks Snidely, I think I'll take this golden opportunity to swap a few of my worthless GBPs this afternoon for some more precious.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:58 | 1700400 Crash N. Burn
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 "Greece Denies Rumors Of An Orderly Default With 50% Debt Haircut"

Of course not. and Anonymous isn't still occupying Wall Street.

 

http://worldwideponzicollapse.blogspot.com/2011/09/wall-street-occupatio...

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:00 | 1700404 falak pema
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Greece : Oligarchical bunga binge gone bad...now everybody is on the run.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:05 | 1700410 1000yrdstare
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Update:Here is Greeces orderly default:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdFBCQAxMgw

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:06 | 1700415 janus
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these are those interesting times they refer to back east.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYOzUHnPJvU

across this line you DO NOT!!!/

also, dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature, asian-american, please,

janus

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:08 | 1700421 oogs66
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yeah, the haircut is 50.1% so the rumor of 50% is wrong

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:09 | 1700432 bentaxle
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Well, Ok we can have a default but only if it's orderly. I don't want any of that chaotic disorderly default stuff OK?!

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:10 | 1700434 msmith
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EURUSD price action is breaking down again. Expecting another drop soon. EURUSD Market Report is available here http://bit.ly/n8SsO6

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:19 | 1700465 youngman
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Great band name..."disorderly default".....anyone got a song or two....anna one..anna two

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:19 | 1700468 holdbuysell
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"Greece denied on Friday newspaper reports that one option in the debt crisis would be an orderly default with a 50 percent haircut for bondholders"

Tyler hit this one on the head. The official is telling the truth in the above statement precisely because the default won't be a 50 percent haircut. Nevermind that there WILL be a haircut, it just won't be 50 percent.

After listening to people in power (company, government, doesn't matter), you'll notice the word choices are deliberate. The qualifier I like best is "at this time", which means at this very instant, which, when used with any lie, makes it a truth. Qualifiers are the dead give-away that there's a nugget of truth in there somewhere, just wrapped in deceit.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:24 | 1700486 bullchit
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+Someone should tell Greece.

It's not a rumour, it's a hint.

Regards.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:36 | 1700523 ZeroPoint
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Why stop at 50%? The tsunami will be just as high at 99%....

 

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:49 | 1700585 warchopper
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O.O.D.A. rule is in effect. Observe, overreact, deny, accuse.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 10:16 | 1700969 Which is worse ...
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50% just means there will have to be more than one default.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 10:31 | 1701051 MS7
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If there is a default, I guarantee the Greek government will make sure it is done in such a way that the common people bear the cost. People outside of Greece don't seem to know how they are squeezing every last euro (I wish it was drachma. How could people have agreed to exchange their drachma, which was good enough for Plato, for the very lame euro?) from people who can't afford it, and not touching the very rich or those whom the ruling party needs for support, or even their creditors. 

This article says the the key question is how the default is done-- in other words, for whose benefit.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/19/greece-must-default-...

 

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 12:04 | 1701594 drider
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Don't worry about that. The Greek people will take matters in their own hands. It is simply too late for the two major political parties that have governed Greece the past 35 years...

And for the plutocrats in Greece anticipating that a "generous" haircut will result in writting off their debts to (soon expected to be nationalized) Greek banks, sorry dudes! You will lucky if you manage to leave the country unharmed.

To all zerohedgers out there: the Syntagma Square riot cam will be back on line on Sunday evening (greek time).

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 12:26 | 1701727 Tyrion_Lannister
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@drider: Don't worry about that. The Greek people will take matters in their own hands.

THIS IS SPARTA!!!

 

 

 

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 11:04 | 1701210 PulauHantu29
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Better late then never!

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 12:22 | 1701692 uformula
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Tyler, what makes a default orderly?  If it were, would that exceed very bearish expectations and result in a rally?  Thanks

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