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Greece - Eurozone or Not? Slavery or Freedom?

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Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:05 | 1840673 grunk
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One way or another, the Greeks will vote.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:12 | 1840718 SWRichmond
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And the vote is simple: are Greeks adults, or children who need to be told what to do by outsiders?

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:17 | 1840752 topcallingtroll
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I am going to bet there will not be a vote.

That is what this new government coalition is about. If the buffoon Gpap resigns the first order of business will be to cancel the referendum and then we should see a strong market rally...I hope.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:20 | 1840788 He_Who Carried ...
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Freedom? Gaining freedom? You gotta be jokin'...

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:39 | 1840935 I Got Worms
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If the vote is called off or "delayed" I sincerely hope the Greeks burn that motherfucker down.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:05 | 1840675 Mongo
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So when will Greece be on Ebay?

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:12 | 1840714 jcpicks
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Auction would be 'No Reserve'.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 11:36 | 1841678 FeralSerf
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That "As-Is, Where-Is" thingy could be problematical though.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:06 | 1840677 GeneMarchbanks
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Freedom ... always. Not just Greece. Greece is the beginning.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:12 | 1840716 Arius
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you might be onto smt .... all of these movements everywhere the Arab Spring, Occupy movements ... it seems it is an ongoing unraveling stage .... run for cover ...

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 10:26 | 1841089 TrulyBelieving
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Freedom ... always requires responsibility. Not just in Greece, but anywhere. Even in 'The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave' there are far to few that understand this concept, and far fewer would yearn for it. The new freedom, born recently under socialism, is to depend on someone else for the things needed. Until this basic fundemental is understood, there will be no Freedom.   

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 10:41 | 1841268 Doubleguns
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Nope not freedom but on board the Titanic is plenty of milk and honey. Getting aboard the life boats will be cold, no food or drink, no band and no luxuries at all. Very austere conditions indeed. Please reconsider Greece, do not get aboard the life boats. Continue the voyage with us....aboard the most wonderful EU Titanic. LOL

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:07 | 1840679 Element
Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:07 | 1840683 NetDamage
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Heads are gonna role sooner or later IMHO

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:13 | 1840721 xcehn
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Death to the banksters.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:07 | 1840688 CPL
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Follow your bliss.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:22 | 1840810 Urban Roman
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Ignorance is strength.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:25 | 1840838 LawsofPhysics
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Knowledge is power.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:08 | 1840692 xcehn
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Freedom is worth every drop of blood.  Greeks are better off dead than as euro/bankster slaves. Slavery is the ultra new and improved Western brand of democracy.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:08 | 1840694 ChickenTikka
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Anybody care to guess why the ECB cut happened?  What do the insiders know and why did it prompt them to do this? 

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:13 | 1840724 Dr. No
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A new Sheriff is in town and he needed to make  a few arrests in order to show everyone who is in charge.  Nothing more.  it makes no difference.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:10 | 1840699 Stuart
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Clusterfuck is a word and a half re: to resign or not to resign....  are there any adults over there???

The rate cut is just a rumour too I guess.  SNAFU

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:09 | 1840702 gared44
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watch out what is happening in Iran - much more serious than Greece

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:33 | 1840891 El Viejo
Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:35 | 1840907 mess nonster
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Greece IS what's happenning in Iran... no, I take that back. Greece is what's happening in israel, ad Israel is what's happening in iran.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:44 | 1840962 gared44
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why do u think oil is spiking??....

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:10 | 1840703 SheepDog-One
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Electing ever more corrupt politicians, clearly not a solution.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:29 | 1840869 j0nx
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Wasting your time voting clearly not a solution either.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:12 | 1840705 edotabin
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If I am not mistaken, wasn't a referendum promised for the British people and then ......

This EU horseshit is completely out of control. 10-20 banks and their upper management viceroys flat out lying to the entire world.

Edit: and oh yeah, totally getting away with it.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:14 | 1840730 SheepDog-One
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This is all about 50 or so people in the world trying to figure out how to save their own sorry asses as billions watch daily.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:31 | 1840875 j0nx
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You're right but tell me who are the bigger fools in that scenario?

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:12 | 1840720 Iriestx
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My money is on the Greeks being cowards.  They'll roll over and play dead when the ECB tells them they're not allowed to have their refferendum.  Sure, they'll be a day or two of strikes, protests and burning some cars, but in the end they'll roll over and play dead.

 

They don't have the stones to take their country back from the ECB.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:15 | 1840739 SheepDog-One
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In that case they may as well BE dead...as Max Keiser says they will NO LONGER be Greeks, they'll be 'IMF's.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:21 | 1840799 topcallingtroll
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Agreed.

The greeks are just pussies and lazy cowards who cant control their spending. They got mad and had a temper tantrum when daddy tore up the credit card and told them they had to earn their own money.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:27 | 1840847 Iriestx
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Exactly, if they were capable of making real sacrifie, they wouldn't find themselves in this situation.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:30 | 1840873 jdelano
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you realize american debt crosses 100% of GDP this month right?  Glass house. Stones, yada yada?

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:38 | 1840929 Iriestx
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Americans will roll over and play dead faster than the Greeks.  The Americans are too busy DVRing Dancing with the Stars while they watchin the E! miniseries on the Kardsashian divorce and tending to their farmville crops on facebook to give a shit about anything in their country.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:34 | 1840897 Uchtdorf
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Nor, usually, the slingshots with which to hurl those stones. Draconian gun laws.  Ha! Draco was a 7th century Athenian lawmaker. Get it? A Greek. Small world. Class is over.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:38 | 1840933 johny2
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And which brave tribe you come from, to look so condescendingly upon the greeks. 

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 12:31 | 1841970 vato poco
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I've got no love for Greeks -they'd rather argue than breathe - nor any patience for clusterfucks who reflexively mewl "America ain't so great neither!"

But.

Remind me again exactly how many riots & deaths we had here when the IRS announced their 'guilty-until-proven-innocent' policy? Or our brave drug warriors started confiscating all those houses, cars, cash, etc. found at a drug bust, even if they belonged to someone else entirely and had nothing at all to do with the druggies? Or when private ownership of gold was outlawed? Or when it became a felony to "tell a lie" to "any federal agent", even if that "lie" was "I don't think I did anything wrong!"? Or when they trashed the 4th amendment and started doing random drug & alcohol roadblocks? Or when it suddenly becme a "crime" to film cops - public "servants", mind you - while they're beating and macing handcuffed people *on the clock*? Or when heroic federal LEO assholes bravely shot/killed/burned alive women and kids at Waco and Ruby Ridge? I can do this all day, so let's end it with etc., etc., etc.....

Greeks don't have a monopoly on rolling over & playing dead. And "having the stones" to fight TPTB means being willing to take on trigger-happy goons with badges, and a system geared to crap on any & all who dare to challenge them. Easy enough to write about - lots harder to *do*.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:14 | 1840727 Kina
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You can't put the genie back in the bottle.  If a referendum is cancelled now, how will the people of Greece react?  If the country was already "ungovernable", how will it get better once the people see this chance to have their voice count, snatched away by Merkozy?

The banksters do not care, so as long as they get what they want they wouldn't care if every Greek died of starvation.The banks, their bonuses and their power are the only thing important and they will trash countries, murder Presidents and so on to achieve this..

And of course it will be a number of paid for Greek politicians that are owned or paid off by the banks that will betray Greece, as per usual.

 

One good thing that may come from the global financial implosion when it comes is that the Banks and banksters will be clearly identified as the evil creatures that caused the destruction.

 

 

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:27 | 1840853 LawsofPhysics
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Greece will be labeled as a terrorist state.  NATO led invasion will commence to "restore democracy".

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:18 | 1840728 Maxwell Smart
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G-Pap - the boy who cried wolf.

 

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:14 | 1840729 agent default
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Greece will be out of the Eurozone within a year.  Others will follow.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:38 | 1840928 Uchtdorf
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Exactly right. Confusion must reign for the next few years so TPTB can "save" us by instituting a worldwide currency. First, the Euro will fail and then the Mighty (not) USD will crash.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:55 | 1841018 FMR Bankster
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Default now or default later. These are the only two choices. Greece can't pay even if they wanted too. (and they don't) When you lend to deadbeats they don't pay you back.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:15 | 1840735 FunkyOldGeezer
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All this smells of a big back-hander that's gone to G-Pap from someone who wanted to make sure their insider information was going to be correct.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:15 | 1840738 Skeebo
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I don't get the optimism, so you're going to get the guy that pushed through everything that the EU wanted Greece to do replaced... with someone from the party that was completly opposed to it all?

Why does anyone think that the leader of the opposition party will act in any manner different with regards to the referendum that G-Pap has?

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 09:28 | 1840856 topcallingtroll
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The opposition was only opposed to it in order to score political points. In actuality the socialist government in power hates the agreement even more, but even they know it is better than total chaos.

The eurozone will not let greece go with just an argentinian level of collapse. Massive legal claims, economic embargo, and unpredictable takings of greek trade goods to satisfy judgments will prevent anyone from risking trade deals with greece.

Greece must totally collapse for a genetation and suffer to the point of hunger as an example to italy, portugal, ireland and spain that leaving the euro is worse than staying.

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