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Greece Is Nicht Sehr Happy With Frau Merkel
The Greek daily http://www.dimokratianews.gr/ (price 1 Euro, not 2000 Drachma) may have summarized best what at least a prominent subsegment of Greece feels toward Die Frau, who quite adeptly managed to dodge the Greek "pledge" gambit, so thoroughly discussed earlier, and put the ball back in the Lucas Papademos' court, who now must be tearing his hair out: not only did Europe put him in his current position, but now it is the same Europe who no longer wants him in... What's a former ECB apparatchik and Trilateral Commission member to do...
Elsewhere, the Germans already appear quite aware of the 'backlash' against the Chancellor's demands that Greece actually comply with the requirements of its second (not to mention first) bailout, which also explains why a prominent subsegment of them want nothing to do with said country ever again.
From Der Spiegel
Railing against the 'Fourth Reich'
Anti-German Mood Heats Up in Greece
By Johannes Korge and Ferry Batzoglou
Georgios Trangas had launched into a tirade -- yet again. He seemed to have completely forgotten his four studio guests. Trangas stared into the camera and turned to his favourite subject: the Germans, and how they are cold-bloodedly shoving Greece into the abyss. "Germany doesn't care that 3 million pensioners are dying here," he raged.
The sentence is one of his more harmless utterances on this evening. But such verbal artillery is hardly out of the ordinary on the Athens television broadcaster Extra 33, a channel full of angry broadsides against the "German occupiers."
"Choris Anästhetiko" is the name of the program, and it lives up to its name: "Without Anaesthesia." Politesse is an alien concept on the show as it offers ruthless analysis of the economic and debt crisis gripping Greece. On this evening, the show is set to examine the problems facing taxi drivers in Athens and the suffering shipping industry. But the experts invited to appear on the show serve little more of a purpose than providing the moderator with additional excuses to launch into a diatribe.
"Barbaric measures," Trangas spits, referring to the austerity demands made by the so-called troika of the European Union, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund. Berlin, he posits, is controlling everything anyway.
Cult Figure
The problem, of course, is that Trangas is not merely voicing his views of the financial crisis over a beer in the bar. Rather, he is on primetime television. In addition, he hosts a breakfast radio show, writes columns and has his own magazine. Trangas is a cult figure. What he says carries a certain amount of weight in Greece. He quickly reduces complex problems to mere slogans and just as rapidly identifies who is to blame. And only seldom are those responsible to be found in his own country.
Should the conversation turn to German Chancellor Angela Merkel -- or should it be forced in such a direction by Trangas -- the host completely loses all control. "She acts as though she were clean. But in reality, German companies have been paying bribes in Greece for years and handing out risky loans," he says. "Merkel is lying when she says that she knew nothing about all that. But now, she is playing the fiscal watchdog." The rant goes on for minutes. Trangas rattles off statistics mixed with random references to the Nazi regime. Even the studio guests begin to hang their heads sheepishly.
A monitor hangs on the wall directly behind Trangas. On this evening, the image remains neutral. But that is not always the case. On occasion, Trangas is fond of displaying images of Merkel conflated with marching German soldiers from World War II.
Just minutes after the show is over, an amicable Trangas is relaxing in his office. He has his bodyguard bring a drink to his guest from Germany before saying: "I don't actually have anything against Germans." But, he says, he detests what Merkel and the troika she supposedly leads is doing to Greece.
Then he takes a deep breath and launches into an almost word-for-word repetition of the accusations he has just made on live television. A half hour later, even Trangas has preached enough for the evening. He wishes his German guest a nice stay in Athens, is helped into his coat by a second bodyguard and disappears into the night in his SUV. It's a German make.
Poisonous Sentiment
Trangas is a master of hyperbole, and has won many viewers with his tirades. But his core message is one that many in Greece share. Seeing the EU as the "Fourth German Reich" is hardly a novelty in the country -- and one almost has the feeling that the sentiment against Germany grows more poisoned by the day.
Indeed, just this week, the associations representing doctors, lawyers and structural engineers met in Athens and agreed on a unified boycott of products from Germany. Just how the boycott will be put into practice is not yet clear. But it could mark the beginning of a broader anti-Germany movement. Already, the burning of German flags, and the display of swastikas, has become de rigueur at anti-austerity demonstrations in Greece.
Stathis Stavropoulos is well versed in Third Reich symbols. He sits chain smoking in the spartan offices of the daily newspaper Eleftherotypia, located a few kilometers away from the Extra 33 studios. The paper has been on strike for months, the offices are dark and unheated. In the mean time, Stavropoulos has found a job at another paper, but he nevertheless elected to host his German interlocutor here in the offices of Eleftherotypia. Few people in Greece know what Stavropoulos, 56, looks like. But everybody knows his drawings. Stavropoulos is the best known caricaturist in the country -- and he too has remained focused on a single subject since the beginning of the crisis: the Germans.
His drawings are seen each week by well over 100,000 readers. Even the New York Times recently reprinted one of his cartoons, he proudly relates. Whether it's Merkel, Sarkozy, Horst Reichenbach, the head of the EU's Task Force for Greece, or the leaders of the Greek government, Stavropoulos dresses them all in German World War II uniforms and depicts them abusing Greeks.
Agitation and Reflection
He is a far cry from the boisterous utterances of Trangas -- he prefers a more elevated brand of provocation. "Of course I aim to shock people with my drawings," he says. "But the initial agitation should be followed by reflection. That, at least, is my hope," says Stavropoulos, as he reaches for his next cigarette.
He says he is aware of the danger that his use of World War II symbols could enflame new resentments among the Greek people. But the debate, he insists, is worth the breaking of a few taboos. He insists that his criticism is focused on German political leaders and their Greek lackeys -- never against the German people as a whole.
Are his readers able to appreciate the subtle difference? The cartoonist isn't quite sure.
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It's decades of accumulation.
And you do realize this is nothing compared to trillions in Italy and Spain?
Hey Kraut Merkel
Greece says cough up the gold you jack booted Nazi goons stole when you invaded back in '41...
I can call Merkel a Kraut... my family is German...
The "Jew Gold" and the gold of the Greek Central bank was sold by the Reichsbank on the open market to the Greek oligarchs. Actually reserves were even augmented from ex-Jugoslavia and Romania.
What's with the numerous variants of deadlines? So far I've seen 13th Feb, 15th Feb, 20th March, etc.? Which one is the REAL deadline?
Greek people protest bankers and their puppet politicians who are enemies of the World and specifically Euro/German politicians as concerns Greece. The bankers and their financial/political system are a danger to humankind worldwide.
Give peace a chance. The empire will fold as did Germany in WWII. The world has numerous anit-banker fronts and a lot of places for leaders to go AWOL. The most obvious place for leaders of the banking empire to defect to is directly into backing their constituates instead of the elites they currently serve. Thay would not have to change their mode of operation because they already are traitors. That is what traitors do. Other than Ron Paul have you ever heard of a politician not flip-flopping.
That is why I think democratic political pressure still has a chance.
Oh, many ZH readers have forgotten the many pledges that Greek leadership just made yesterday.
Including the pledge to return the country to growth in 2013.
And you totally expect German's finmin or any other European finmin to fall for that and sign on the dotted line?
Are you stupid?
Greece gets nothing. They know it and they can only blame their own leadership for it. What is this? Kindergarten? We all have to share? Kumbaya?
I've said this for a year on ZH that Germany will not pay billions into a Greek bailout. Are you kidding me?
ECB to Greek Govt yesterday : Fork Up 380 Million EUro more budget cuts by next week or you're toast!
Never forget one basic issue on the mistrust between Eurogroup and the Peripherals in this ongoing charade :
1° Greece has systematically cheated on its books with GS shenanigans to get into club. So they are despised by Eurogroup for having revealed the dirty fault lines of the continental Oligarchy construct, of which euro in now the obvious iconic symbol. (Nobody wants their dirty linen exposed so blatantly in public like the bungling, cheating Greek Oligarchs have done to Euro land).
2° All other three peripherals, (Ireland, Portugal, Spain), were pulled into sovereign debt circle as a result of BANKING SCAMS in RE which fragilised the whole Euro economy in 2008 sub prime aftermath. The governments then HAD to socialise the debts to save the Banks. Big Time. That's why the sovereign debts soared ALL OVER Euro land even in the core. Merkel knee jerked then, she panicked; her diktat said in 2009 : every country solves its own debt created by its own banks and We leave ECB monetisation or joint and several debt funding out of all strategy options : no joint and several play, no eurobond solidarity. It has RUINED the euro zone, as the ECB is now doing it big time through the back door. And three years of individual country bond issues has gotten us the huge spreads on the peripherals as the banks and HFs have raped them good!
Now in 12th hour clutch play Euro group tries to regroup around the German/French core which is pooped up to its ears in smelly fiat junk, but has a real economy which is there somewhere under debt shit mountain....
As its the same situation in USA and Japan, we all print merrily-merrily; the Greece fleeced sheeple public is the LAST of their problems; provided there is no contagion in BANKSTA LAND WORLDWIDE.
End of current sequel of ongoing drama, until next trauma.
Only way out of this : End the markets, end all speculation, go to central bank Obamaistan and Merkozystan (or replacement, who cares); Putinistan/Kazakh/Azerbaijanistan etc. --RM sources-- already in place ringed by US military bases, and kick the can until first world debt gets absorbed by BRIC growth. We hope thus in DC/WS/ECB/EU/BOE/BOJ OLigarchy land. Blueprint for next decade of doldrums economy on controlled biflation, debt deleverage via fiat devaluation. All the while pumping Oligarchy wealth in WS stocks to compensate fiat devaluation. That is the essence of Biflation!
Play on...asymmetric junk fiat world.
It's not really the german's It's the euro technocrat elite and the bankers, but really the bankers as they own the elite. stupid blame there, you have to ID the guilty party correctly, and it makes me insane we don't ID the bankers, the illegals, the dems, the republicans. etc.
The ultimate proof of moral, intellectual and institutional bankruptcy is to play the Nazi card.
Germans should know that better than anyone else since their own government is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the Nazi hobgoblin scare.
Just as the bankrupt Greek establishment is successfully diverting attention from the sack and enslavement of the Greek masses using the Nazi hobgoblin, the Merkel regime applies the same propaganda technique.
As much as I find it distasteful this crass manipulation of the masses under the pretext of "democracy", I see that in their desperation the Eurocratic thieves in Germany and Greece may be unwittingly helping to speed up their own demise.
So yes, let the greek masses unload their frustration, however misguidedly so. After all, it is indifferent if Merkel is a "Nazi" truffle pig in the service of banksters, or merely a truffle pig in the service of banksters.
Those greeks seem to have no problem with taking the nazi gold though..
The problem they have is with their own government and banks, go throw them out instead of blaming others.
We get it.
Greeks are the new "Untermenschen" - the sub-humans.
The parasites feeding from the northern superior states.
The German public opinion is being worked upon for a long time to believe into a new type of nationalism: the superiority of the central european axis. A new empire.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2011/04/quick-notes-a-rude-aphrodi...
How is that different to Nazi propaganda against jews?
Maybe because this time it is true? Right?
no, the greek nationstate has scammed other states, and now its inhabitants are blaming others for their problems with childlike WWII imagery, others who have helped them 4 years even despite their scamming.
Well, that imagery is childlike and not even a good photoshop at it :) As for the nazi card, it is bad taste and uncalled for. We can agree to that. Mind you, this is a Tabloid. They are striving for the publicity they are getting out of this repost.
Could you elaborate on the scam?
What was it? Missing the targets of the articles of EUR debt over GDP?
Missing the targets of the first rescue plan?
Not being successful on implementing all changes suggested by the Troika?
the scam? have a look at point 1 from falak pema above at 2145025
in short, Goldman Sachs helped the Greek government over years to hide vast amounts of debt with derivatives
Ya Ghordo,
lazy Greeks fooled the whole European Union. The Union had no idea
Greece was already broke. @sarc
Various countries just wanted a better way to force Greece to buy their goods.
That ended up being France and Germany. Arms, bridges.
And Goldman is just doing what they're told. No benefits, right?
I want to know how much Goldman is still making on this deal.
Ya, Greece won.
Ask yourself reiger:
are you enjoying Greece's suffering?
I hope so, because your government is using this suffering
to convince you to give your money "to Greece" , i.e. Douchebank.
Please read this report of a friend of mine Dr Tobras
http://www.scribd.com/doc/81162934/Kiriakos-Tobras-the-Greek-Sovereign-D...
PP
porta porta, you have to expect that a lot of these guys here
think that Greece and Greeks deserve what they get.
They act as if Greeks cheated their way into the Euro
as if they Europeans didn't know that Greece was already broke.
I think that the debt keeps rising because Goldman is still getting
its money, from Germany this time.
As Tobras shows, our oligarchs played games for their own benefit,
but now, with the full colonisation of Greece, the games are over.
The LAOS leader is talking now on the radio about how things have
gone too far. He said that Germany is leading the troika with the help
of Lux, Holland.
UPDATE
sorry. The Greek politicians' games are over.
The German, US and UK games have only just begun.
Tsk tsk, all those decades of low taxes and bloated military spending in Greece leads to this.
The only German the Greeks should be pissed at is Karl Marx.
The Germans and French force (not past tense), still force Greece to buy weapons, and nice bridges
and roads on debt. Even now, pal. Greece has long since been a colony of the Euro powers.
The US also does much the same.
As for Marx, Greece has the worst aspects of capitalism, communism and now colonisation.
It still has control of lots of public goods, like power, water, public transport. If, as a small country,
they lose those they fall into the third world. I don't expect an American or Brit to understand
this.
though you are forgetting the little fact that the UK liberated Greece from Turkey, that the UK/US pushed for the entry of Greece in the NATO, and that after the military dictatorship ended in 1974 pushed Greece first into the EU and then in the eurozone. Goldman Sachs helped that last transaction by cooking their books with derivatives.
Bush II tried to do the same with NATO Turkey and the Europeans stood firm on this. yes, imperialism 2.0 at work
Now Ghordo,
every nation does what it does for its own reasons.
You think anybody gives a shit about Greece?
It's a toy for the big countries. Read some real history.
There are so many cross-currents of hidden agendas that it is just baffling.
I empathise with the Greeks at having been destroyed by fiat money and the politics of entitlement that go with it. My country will soon follow (the US of A).
But the idea that some other country (Germany) will somehow save them by giving more money? Then calling them Nazis for resisting?
That's like saying you want more welfare, if you taxpayers don't want to pay you are a Nazi. Fuck that.
Nobody owes anybody anything. The end. If you want to retire at 55, then do so on your own savings. You can't because of inflation? Then get rid of fiat money.
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