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Greece Politely Declines German Annexation Demands

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Following yesterday's frankly stunning news that the Troika politely requests that Greece hand over its first fiscal, then pretty much all other, sovereignty to "Europe", here is the Greek just as polite response to the Troika's foray into outright colonialism:


What is interesting here is that unlike the highly irrelevant IIF negotiations which will end in a Greek default one way or another, the real plotline that should be followed is this one: because unless Germany, pardon the Troika, gets the one condition it demands, namely "absolute priority to debt service" and "transfer of national budgetary sovereignty", as well as a "constitutional amendment" thereto. there is no Troika funding deal. Furthermore, since as a reminder the PSI talks are just the beginning, the next step is ensuring compliance, as was noted yesterday ("[ceding sovereignty] will reassure public and private creditors that the Hellenic Republic will  honour its comittments after PSI and will positively influence market access"), any refusal to implement such demands is an automatic dealbreaker. Which means anything Dallara and the IIF say, as representatives of a steering committee that at this point probably constitutes of one bondholder, with the bulk having shifted to the ad hoc committee, is irrelevant. Germany just got its answer. And the next step is, as Zero Hedge first suggested, an epic LTRO in precisely one month, whose sole purpose will be to prefund European banks ahead of the Greek default with enough cash to withstand Europe's Bear Stearns. Although as a reminder, in the US, Bear Stearns only led to Lehman and the global "all in" gambit to preserve the financial system by shifting bank insolvency risk to the sovereigns (a chart showing bank assets as a percentage of host countries' GDP can be found here). But who will bailout the world's central banks which already collectively hold over 30% of global GDP in the form of "assets", or as this term is better known these days, debt?

And for those who missed it the first time, here was the Troika's declaration of bloodless war:


Some more local perspectives from Keep Talking Greece:

Athens categorically rejected the German proposal to cede control over its budget to the European Union as a precognition for the second bailout, the rescue package for Greece. “We can never accept this. A similar proposal was made in the past by a  Dutch minister. We do not even discuss about it” senior governmental sources told Athens News Agency (quoted via


AFP  quotes another (?) Greek government source, saying that ”There is effectively a ‘non-paper’ that was presented to the Eurogroup,” said the source and stressed that “Greece will not discuss such a possibility. It is out of the question that we would accept it, these are matters of national sovereignty.” At the same time the source told AFP that such a move would “require a change in (EU) treaties.”


The proposal as published by newspaper Financial Times triggered strong reactions in Greece. Education Minister Anna Diamantopoulou (PASOK) described it as the product of a sick imagination. “Tt’s an issue of sick imagination, whoever thought it” Diamantopoulou told private Mega TV on Saturday morning.


So far there has been no reacton by the other two coalition government partners conservative Nea Dimokratia and far-right LAOS.

Greek Communist Party (KKE) said “f the Commissioner be necessary for the plutocracy, it will accept him. But with or without a commissioner, crime against the people is predetermined by the co-ruling of the EU the ECB and the plutocracy in general. ”


Alexis Tsipras, chairman of left-wing SYRIZA asked the Greek government to resing immediately and general elections to be held in February. He describeed the transefer of budget control as “a plan beyond any reason. “It is a plan to loot the country and the transfer of its sovereignty to the Eruopean banks and the international usury” Tsipras said (via Proto Thema)

Finally, to anyone who is still confused by the sequence of events, here is a reminder of how it would all transpire, back from July 21, 2011:

The Fatal Flaw In Europe's Second "Bazooka" Bailout: 82 Million Soon To Be Very Angry Germans, Or How Euro Bailout #2 Could Cost Up To 56% Of German GDP


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Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:30 | 2105532 kato
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What a mess. Germany gets blamed no matter what.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:41 | 2105558 hourglass86
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Hitler would be proud anyway.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:58 | 2105610 misterc
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Nazi military used to take a lot of local hostages to make sure demands were met 110%.

Guten Tag, Herr Kommandant!

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:11 | 2105643 Nobody special
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Germany's actions are understandable, and it's good that they're both understanding this isn't a gift. It's not going to happen and it's not supposed to. Funding a perpetual debtor is a bad decision in any situation.

Personally, I think Greece should become the next Iceland. Then Portugal, Spain... and pretty soon banksters will realize they need to play a bit more fair, or lose everything.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:18 | 2105658 Comay Mierda
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Understandable? You have bought into the illusion. The euro was designed to fail. That way all sovereignty is consolidated into the hands of a few unelected technocrat dictators. Stop being a sheep

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:31 | 2105687 OttoMBMP
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This is an attack on Greeces independence not for the sake of German interests but for the sake of EUSSR power and NWO which Merkel is an agent of.
The anti- German propaganda is the only thing I do not like at ZH.
Germans don't gain anything in this game. So don't blame them. Thisnis unfair.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:46 | 2105718 smlbizman
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you have to admire their style....ask for the surrender first...kinda like the biggest dude in the joint saying please before he rapes you ......

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:34 | 2105799 JW n FL
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Meanwhile Germany is at odds with the rest of the world over its proposals for tackling the eurozone crisis, he added.

"What applied to Germany in the 1990s does not work for Europe in 2012. So there has to be a second phase. I think it is important they should start thinking about it because without it, the situation is hopeless. And without hope, people do not act the right way.

"It is not that difficult to recognise that once you have got austerity and these labour reforms that you need and so on, you then still need a stimulus and you must find some way of stimulating the economy because there is a deficiency of demand in the world," he added.

Asked whether today's unsustainable situation can be viewed as an opportunity, Soros replied he is not playing the eurozone crisis.

"Opportunities are dangerous. I am no longer speculating on the market. I am now in a sort of a game piece trying to keep the system together because I really think it matters for all of us, for humanity, for hedge fund managers as human beings that our civilisation should survive," he said.

"So right now I am sort of on the side of the angels, not a player along to play."

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Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:03 | 2105849 zaphod
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What the German (and EU) elites seem to fail to grasp is the old saying "when you owe the bank one million it is your problem, but when you owe the bank one billion it is the bank's problem"

All the previous bailouts to Greece did was give them even more power over the EU, because unless they are willing to pay it back, the pain will be borne by other EU countries.

Unless Germany is willing to march into Greece with tanks and enslave the population, they are never getting anything back that they put into Greece. Same goes for any new funds/bailouts.

In the end Greece is going to walk away from 100% of their obligations, it is the Greek way. The bonds are not going to be cut 50% or 80%, they are just not getting paid at all.

It seems this is what the EU elites are trying to avoid, because a full Greek walk away will trigger CDS....

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:10 | 2105861 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Prepare for Greek bank holiday. The free money to keep Greek cronies in power has evaporated.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 18:38 | 2106066 He_Who Carried ...
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Just throw Greece out of the window and done...!

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 20:26 | 2106181 The Big Ching-aso
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" magnificent slut, I read your book!"

George S. Papandreou

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 08:02 | 2106983 Oracle of Kypseli
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The funny thing is that the Greek banks are holding large amounts of credit default insurance and if Greece defaults the Greek banks will then be solvent again.

It looks like the ECB is snookered by a modern Odysseus. 

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 17:00 | 2105942 James-Morrison
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I'm sure a few well placed bribes by the alphabet-soup European bureaucracy will coerce the Greek leaders to change the Greek law permitting the bloodless takeover of Greece.  

The real question is what happens next.   Will the rioting Greek populace find any western allies to support them after they pitch fork their leaders. 

They may have to turn to Iran...

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 19:37 | 2106151 waylon153
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Agree.  It will be sold as "The needs of the many outweigh the few."  But, the irony is that by saving the banks it's really "The need needs of the 1% outweigh the needs of the 99%".


How does that line from Margin Call go? 'No matter what happens, these guys DO NOT lose money.'

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 18:54 | 2106092 disabledvet
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among other things...

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 12:45 | 2107265 Freddie
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The other thing is there is nothing to get in Greece.  It is like foreclosing on Detroit or Haiti.  Greece will always be poor.   I agree the whole EU EUSSR is designed to enslave.  Notice how they ramped this shit up right after the fall of the iron curtain.   Same european family with their agents like soros and the rockefeller plus oligarchs and the tribe.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 18:07 | 2106023 BlackholeDivestment
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JW, lol, that Soros is a funny nutball. ''sort of'' ''on the side with the angels'' ''right now''. Blaa haa haa haaa.

So lets get this reverse speech straight. ''right now'' and ''sort of'' = ''Fallen Angels'' 

This asshole is not even lukewarm, he is a pathetic nutball attempting to hide his contempt with his dark deceptive words. He offered an invocation with fallen angels that can easily been seen in the light of reality this sick bastard's market moves and political puke represent. 

...this boy is hot hot ...burning haaaaaaot.



Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:58 | 2105742 Doña K
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This is not about German people. this is about elites & globalists controling EU politics. The German people have already raise their voices. Maybe they should speak louder.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:14 | 2105772 redpill
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Despite having some German ancestry myself, let's just say the German people don't have the best track record when it comes to speaking up when they should.

I wonder if Lucas Schuschnigg, er I mean Papademos would agree.


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:24 | 2105883 OttoMBMP
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Dear redpill, that may be true.

But this is probably true for most of the other peoples on earth.

Germans have been put in very particular situations over the last 150 years and I wonder how the US people will behave when it will be faced with  so far unnknown challenges in the coming years.

And even now, when it is almost riskless: Where is the overwhelming support for Ron Paul? Where is the opposition to worldwide US aggression ongoing since 1898?

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 12:55 | 2107278 Freddie
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As compared to American sheep brainwashed by TV and Hollywood with their love for the muslim?  You sound like a serf/sheep who watches TV.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:16 | 2105779 Michael
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My plan all along was to get the private central banks to be the bag holders and watch them blow themselves up.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:25 | 2105887 OttoMBMP
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I think we agree.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:27 | 2105790 Bunga Bunga
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I don't think Merkel is a volonteer agent, she has no other choice to say what she says. I always wondered why the elites are picking political leaders with questionable background (IM Erika). They can fully control them.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:03 | 2105850 steve from virginia
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First of all, the Germans would have a lot more credibility if they were speaking as the United States of Eurozone rather than as Germans.

Why is there no United States of Eurozone? Because the Germans don't want one. Yes, we can pick on the Germans who want their cakes and to eat them at the same time.

To solve this 'matter' the Europeans have to get real about fiscal counterparty to the central bank. They can then buy some time (with their euros) and use it wisely ... to de-industrialize.  If they don't do anything or continue as they are Europe will be de-industrialized, without any say in the matter.

Second, the bankers obviously don't get out very much. They assume the Greeks are sitting on piles of cash money and that punishment will force them to turn it over. The bankers are acting like (stupid) band of robbers who don't understand their own business. Greece is indebted to France (etc.) which is indebted to Germany (etc.) which is indebted to the UK (etc.) which is indebted to the United States (etc.) and back again. It isn't just Greece that is bankrupt, everyone is. Everything that stands as a claim against Mr Bankruptcy is worthless, that includes debt which also includes the system's money.

There is nothing left to buy. You have your industrial money, what do you buy with it?  Increasingly, the answer is ruin.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:17 | 2105871 AnAnonymous
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That is the reason why Europeans want to blob.

By the way, it is false to tell that everyone is in the same situation.

A number of countries can grow out of their debt or in a sustainable scheme.

But the very existence of unsustainable growers, of big major insolvent players pushes everyone in the same condition.

Even somebody who has no debt at all is in the same situation because the resources to be allocated to debts that can not be repaid crushes the possibility.

Still some people live in a sustainable way of life, stone age like. But due to US citizens impact on the world scale, those people share the same no future fate as US citizens.

US citizens consume so many resources they have tied everybody else to their destiny.

Useless to make a human thing.

It is just US citizens diluting their responsibility once again.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:36 | 2105907 Prairie Fire
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What the fuck are you saying here? It makes no sense at all--what do you mean by 'even somebody with no debt is in the same situation...' Are you inbred or just a typical ignorant fuckface socialist?

Greece DESERVES what its about to get. The civil (pigs at the trough) servants, bloated social programs, ridiculous entitlements, the list goes on and on--clearly this is a great lesson for ALL socialist/communist idiot scumbags out there--Greece IS the end result of the overspending governments take on to win power and votes. Socialism is cancer, it makes people lazy, dissolves ambition, erases any sense of self-determination and self respect. Instead of 'what can I do to improve my life' people start to demand the government to do something to improve their lives. Greece is the end game for all socialized/unionized countries. I encourage you all to take note of this 'free lunch syndrome' and begin to see it as the evil it is.

Greeks are nothing more than a pack of nanny state crybabies wetting the bed--they are facing the fact that they will have to work for a living, past age 50, and learn to stand on their on two feet without the communist handout machine to feed them and satisfy their want of luxury and reward without sacrifice.

I for one applaud the Germans for taking the initiative here--it will be a monstorous task to teach these brainwashed Greek liberals how a budget is supposed to function, but as they obviously don't want to do the dirty work themselves, let the Germans--known for their productive, hard working society--do it for them. Loss of soverignty doesn't really matter to the Greeks, they would trade it for a new swimming pool in a heartbeat.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 17:03 | 2105947 palmereldritch
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Socialism is just domestication of the individuals in the herd to become docile collectivists within the statist corral.


Evidence indicates that domestication occurred approximately 10,000 years ago in many parts of the world, as a direct result of wild cattle being attracted to the fields of grain being cultivated by early farmers.

During the long process of domestication, the keeping different types of wild cattle in pens resulted in a reduction in the size of the animals through cross mating. Not only did they gradually become smaller, but their temperaments become more docile

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 09:11 | 2107027 AnAnonymous
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what do you mean by 'even somebody with no debt is in the same situation...' Are you inbred or just a typical ignorant fuckface socialist?


If it is what it takes to admit certain obvious facts, then it is what I am.

Even though, straightlier, it makes me an admitter of obvious facts. Something beyond the reach of your typical US citizen.

With the world being global now, if one agent reaches the point of unsustainable debt on the global scale, as US citizens have done, it no longer matters if the others are on a course of sustainable debt or even debt free.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 21:09 | 2106237 Tunga
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"... Europeans want to blob" - anAnonitizensisum


Stop trying to make blob happen.

Stupid git.


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:51 | 2105925 SMG
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Germans don't gain anything in this game. So don't blame them. Thisnis unfair.


I agree.  The elite love to play the useless eaters against each other, laughing at us while we claw at each others throats.

This is all about creation of a new Global Luciferian Empire.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 18:16 | 2106037 caconhma
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Very often, ZH behaves as a provocateur. Similar to Wikileaks before or the John Burch Society financed by Rockefellers.

So, who is paying ZH bills? CIA or HLS?


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 18:59 | 2106102 disabledvet
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the Film Actor's Guild (FAG) actually.

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 10:04 | 2107063 agent default
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ZH is funded by Tyler who makes millions by selling rich fat women their asses back.

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 10:24 | 2107080 Ghordius
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Mmmmh... How to top this? The FED for "psychological market operations to increase general inflation expectations". What I mean is rumors and facts speak an independent language from their funding...

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 19:18 | 2106128 Reese Bobby
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The only thing "I do not like at ZH" is the assumption that you Godless Krauts have no sense of humor based solely on cultural differences.  Just because Americans wince at jokes like, "...and then the Jew bitch begged for the lives of her children, HA, HA, HA," doesn't mean it isn't funny to you Rhine monkeys.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 19:24 | 2106134 hourglass86
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Where did you see Zero Hedge blaming the German citizens or the Greek citizens? Zero Hedge is doin a great job and you should consider urself lucky that a blog like this exist because otherwise you would read bloomberg.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 17:02 | 2105944 Dcheeth2
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And therein lies the answer to all of Europe. 


Its the sole reason why the commission is unelected and the actual elected MEPs do not decide or vote on any of the Commissions decisions. 

Power in the hands of a few. How Hitler would indeed have been proud. Well, actually, he wouldn't. 


Lenin is the one who has thrown bunting all over his mausoleum. 

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 07:00 | 2106947 Element
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Understandable? You have bought into the illusion. The euro was designed to fail. That way all sovereignty is consolidated into the hands of a few unelected technocrat dictators. Stop being a sheep


The system Merkel wants implemented, with deficits maintained below REAL GDP at all times, will never be permitted to survive, because the banks then would not be able to increase public debt, and so easily steal (force sales of) public assets. 

So the Red Shield must throw fuel on Merkel and put a match to any political moves to implement that sort of Federal legal or constitutional arrangement.

She and Germany will be mulshed to prevent that, as the last thing Red Sheild want is responsible political leaders ... like ... Ron Paul.

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 07:37 | 2106968 e-recep
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you think TPTB are semi-gods who plan and control anything and everything? naah, i don't buy that. history is full of examples of excessive greed and eventually expulsion of usurers. when all falls apart they pay a huge bill, too.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 17:17 | 2105975 knukles
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It's not a gift?
What in the world is it called when one loans funds to another with no expectation of being paid back?
Oh, that's right; Fraudulent Conveyance 

No, it's not a gift.


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 20:44 | 2106199 Lost Wages
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As much as I'd like to see some Greece'd Lightning lighting up the Eurozone, I can't see them doing the right thing with an unelected banking kleptocrat for a Prime Minister. Didn't Europe already take away their sovereignty when they installed Lucifer Papa Demons?

Dedicated to Greece:

Have some balls. Default on the debt, bitchez.

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 13:53 | 2107424 Red Raspberry
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Bond holders assume the risk.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:14 | 2105650 Comay Mierda
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Like I said before - hitler is laughing in hell right now. What he couldn't accomplish with tanks, the NWO will accomplish with banks. Not one shot fired and they will conquer all sovereignty of euro countries. The sheeple better wake up and do something about it.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:36 | 2105700 BlackholeDivestment
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...kinda looks prophetic now don't it? You know why? ...because it is.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:05 | 2105755 sunny
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Not one shot fired and they will conquer all sovereignty of euro countries. 

This actually has surprised me a wee bit.  So far the only physical violence has been between pissed-off citizens and the cadre of policy hired to protect TPTB.  I wonder how long this more or less civil rape of the 99% will continue before someone goes postal. 


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:21 | 2105786 Michael
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Occupy has all the names and addresses of the perps.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:39 | 2105911 Prairie Fire
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Sure Occupy has a case about the banksters getting the bailout, I'm on board with that.

But as a whole, they are a bunch of lazy backassward nannystaters that should be sent off to work camps in order to repay their debt to the productive elements of society. That's the nicest thing I can say about them.

You should see a doctor about curing up that nasty case of socialism you've contracted.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:57 | 2105934 Papasmurf
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You've been watching a bit too much faux news.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 17:16 | 2105973 Prairie Fire
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Actually, I don't own a TV. My Granddad used to call it the 'idiot box'. Been almost 7 years since I watched anything, including sports. Haven't seen any movies either because it's nothing more than regurgitated pop-bullshit. I have an awesome library though--including an extensive collection of books about the first and second world wars.

I've been an entreprenuer my entire life (turned 35 last week). For me there is no safety net, or the possibility of a government handout--which is clearly something you believe everyone has a 'right' to.

I beg to differ. I see what is happening around the world as the final battle to destroy socialism once and for all. Sure--people will be destroyed as well, families broken up, children ruined, the poor and 'less-fortunate' thrown out like trash. But when you look at the numbers, we need a good old fashioned clearing out of the dirty masses. I'm bullish for the future, once we rid our societies of the nannystaters and liberals, we can get down to business and build something better from the ashes.

So go huddle with your ipad toting fashionistas and fuck yourself you ignorant filthy hippie faggot.


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 20:12 | 2106166 debtandtaxes
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Your work ethic and laudable aversion to pop culture does not make you educated or wise.  And your homophobic slurr infers it - and ensures that no one is listening.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 23:34 | 2106549 BeansBulletsBandaids
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Settle down, Francis...

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 12:36 | 2107249 Blankman
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"Actually, I don't own a TV."


But you do own a computer....

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 20:09 | 2106003 BlackholeDivestment
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...well Sunny, I go down to OC in D.C. from time to time, the people are some serious dipshits that hate people like me, mostly. They hate me because I like Ron Paul and they really hate me because I love our Father in Christ. There are only a few of us at OC in D.C.. Which brings me to your point of order. Don't be suprised, most of these people are pathetic weak minded socialists/communists that still can't figure out if you abort the individual the whole social order representing one collective body is also aborted, unless you can live without ...uh life, LMAO, and liberty freedom independence and justice for all. These people don't know the meaning of labor other than that of an occupied people within a consentration camp built in their own image. Hello U.N. Agenda 21 and the Great Wal Mart of Communist China's Abortion. Lol. These assholes just want a job inside the same global clinic that is actively aborting the Constitution and the Republic of the United States. The President loves these morons.

When it comes to violence, I am it. I am to be feared by all Branches of government because, I am standing fast and that is violent. I do not provide any labor. My principle is divested at zero interest. Lol. The only time I can be taxed is at the point of sale, which now represnts the fact that I am consuming the laborer that has been aborted by this government at the slave auction. Every day the debt increases I add to it more because, I am not a productive slave. I am the security threat and I mean to ensure that the black hole is sealed shut by increasing unemployment for slaves, as the slave auction market rate demand increases the black hole. Ha haa haa. Yes I am the enemey of the new world order slave masters estate house in Washington D.C.. I am the new world order version of Homeland Security ...but, even worse is my prayer unto our Father in Christ. I stand as Elijah did ...but, with the knowledge of seven thousand, having been given the dream.


Sun, 01/29/2012 - 06:37 | 2106934 StychoKiller
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Put yer FRNs where yer mouth is, Orphanages are filled to overflowing...

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 11:13 | 2107136 Max Hunter
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Leave it to a bible thumping idiot like you to sit on their perch and condem people trying to change the system..
I hate you too, but not because you love Jesus.. it's because you love yourself too much.. And no, i'm not part of any group or ism.. or ist.. or any other lable you want to glue on me to have something to shoot at..

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:17 | 2105781 redpill
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History rhymes.


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:49 | 2105824 Eally Ucked
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You don't even know what you're talking about, despite those green arrows I can see on your post.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 17:12 | 2105964 GOSPLAN HERO
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National Socialism, baby!

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 18:19 | 2106043 caconhma
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No, it is the Zionist Banking Oligarchy New World Order with a new master race. 

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:20 | 2105876 non_anon
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Hitler on the Greek Debt Crisis

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 19:13 | 2106120 disabledvet
Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:29 | 2105893 BlackholeDivestment
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Hourglass86, ''Hitler would be proud anyway''. Ha! He was the Antichrist tool of stupid brutal slaughter and the German people were ripe for it when their economic tree was cut down in a point in human history where the gunfire became tanks and subs etc... and there was no Zero Hedge because the ways and means for people to inform each other was not able to out run the evil tide by letter phone or radio etc... The bastards that have established the ''bond(s)'' for the slave auction upon this generation actually have a President in power that draws votes from the slaves to sustain the slave market in the age of instant messaging. Give it a little more time and we will see just how great the slaughter of the slaves is going to get and it will shock even Hitler.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:57 | 2105935 The Deleuzian
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Jesus BD!!  Hope it doesn't come to that again...Really!

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 00:51 | 2106112 BlackholeDivestment
BlackholeDivestment's picture is written, count on it. Everything we are now witnessing upon this generation is the image of the global condition of all nations and Israel and their combined ability to fulfill what is written. The Truth is not a choice. When all nations and Israel make peace, with this corrupt global market system, which everyone can now see in the prophetic light of scripture, there will be no doubt. History is concrete proof of the nature of the beast, when it rises up to devour flesh, it will eat what is on the plate. First the Son of Man is murdered in the field, and as time goes bye, what ends up on the plate, after The First Lamb is Fallen, is as it was in the days of Noah. If you are not risen in agreement with mercy and standing fast, well, you are what's for supper.

Every mad cow will have their day in Court. In the case of this generation Court is in now in session and the cows have come home to roost among all nations and Israel. The prophetic strong delusion defines that our leaders actions had no love for the truth and do not love the truth now. The people that have been ''Fed'' their offers of temptation, they ate it up along with hope, to the point where they bought the Great Wal Mart of China Red House that is foreclosing on their future, like a black hole in an encephalitic brain in Court. When the peace is made and the gavel is fallen ...fear not, judgment cometh.  

In case you don't get the picture, the first thing that was killed was a lamb, to cover an exposed body. The first human that was killed was the son of a man wearing the coat of that lamb, because his brother killed him after his offering (what he had on his plate) was rejected because it was offered in contempt. That contempt drowned it's self out and the people that escaped were given cover to do so. The prophetic scriptures describe the time when this happens globally when Israel and Jerusalem are restorded and all the nations seal a peace with Israel. When that happens there will be a global market in the same corrupt image of Babylon before it fell. Scripture defines that when, and after that peace is sealed it does not last and all hell breaks loose. Well, my friends, in case you have not noticed, Israel is now a nation and Jerusalem is now under Israeli control. It sure does not look like there is the peace that is to be sealed yet, but, how sudden would something like that happen after ...say ...a weapon of mass destruction takes out a target? Do you think, after such an event ...say a 911 event on that scale in NYC or D.C. would result in ...say a Nobel Peace Prize President like Rosemary's Baby being able to get a peace like that done in this 2012 generation? Let say ,,,that event takes place before or after something like ...when Iran reacts to, not only the oil sanctions etc... now against it, but a direct military attack too.

Take a good hard look at the rise in frequency and intensity of the disaster happening. Take a look at the market. Lol. Things can and are getting much worse and we have enough weapons to blow everyone to Kingdom Come and we have suiciadal freaks that think it's their mission to destroy Israel.


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:06 | 2105625 Sudden Debt
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It does show how desperate Germany is. But if they did get to do it, it would have led to war.

Just Imagine China would say to the US: We'll handle your finances from now on!

And 500 million chinese move in to make sure America is theirs.

And after 12 months, the White house would change it's name in : THE WHITE MANDARIN DUCK PALACE


If you lend money to a junky who tells you he'll invest it wisely... and the junky OD's... and the money is gone in his arm.... than who is the idiot?


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:09 | 2105637 misterc
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Merkel-Blitz, hahaha.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:17 | 2105656 GeneMarchbanks
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'Just Imagine China would say to the US: We'll handle your finances from now on!'

No need, they already do. At least when it comes to interest rates. When interest rates finally rise it'll be due to China deciding the US$ is ready to be supplanted by another form of international payment system. That is on the horizon and everyone knows it except the mouthbreathers who overthink simple (uncomfortable) truths. The US is now a hollowed out shell and its legacy will be the Corporation. Sadly, the corporate model --knowing no borders or loyalty aside from profit-- has found its wet dream in the East where now literally billions will be exploited. Every move from now on is desperation if you're a part of the status quo. Panic should set in once it proves beyond the policymakers...

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 18:26 | 2106049 LowProfile
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You think interest rates are going to rise, lol.

Head's up:  The Fed is going to print cash to cover every last scrap of debt.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:31 | 2105690 zerozulu
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This waiting game is killing me.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:41 | 2105711 Raging Debate
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ZeroZulu, me too. Like in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Augustus Gloop.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:07 | 2105758 Bunga Bunga
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Just Imagine China would say to the US: We'll handle your finances from now on!

That will happen when Wall St owns a good junk of Chinese corporations.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:38 | 2105863 Eally Ucked
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Maybe you should test your cognitive abilities before you express your opinions about Germany. I think all those countries in EU joined the union for some reason, was it German gun put against their heads to do it? Probably not, and Germany doesn't try to assume duties of EU bodies as far as I understand it, they want EU to do it, with all member countries taking part in that decision, and stop talking about wars. Poland, Russia, Czechoslovakia and other countries went through it and there was no war. there will be more countries to go through the saqme kind of transformations in the next few years. What you want indebted Germany to write more blank checks?    

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:04 | 2105627 knight99
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This is way bigger than bear sterns. Greece is a Lehman brothers type moment. The only question we have to ask ourselves is what the fk do we call Spain and Italy when they go down.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:10 | 2105638 agent default
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Final Liberation?

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:13 | 2105648 RiverRoad
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Final Solution?

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:22 | 2105667 agent default
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Liberation.  It will be the final blow to the debt Ponzi and a grand fuck you to the paper shufflers.  It will be collapse of the Central Bank pyramid scam.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:45 | 2105717 oogs66
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Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:03 | 2105848 agent default
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No, just tired of paying taxes to bail out the guilty.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:07 | 2105855 steve from virginia
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Spain and Italy.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:52 | 2105776 BlackholeDivestment
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...which leads to that old tried and true order out of the chaos that was designed with the intent of establishing cause for the global new world order.

...awe hell, it's been written on the walls of the masonic temple and the stinking currency and people just did not even stop to consider why, much less make an effort to secure their labor against the corrupt bastards that print that crap on their money. Yeah, their money says right the hell on it ''debt note'' and look now bitchez, you can't get a piece of this shit paper, called legal tender, without your name and number being bound by law to the mark of debt unconstitutionally apportioned in not only one country but the entire global economic system, which stands as a devouring beast consuming the principle of everyone's personal account as laborers. Who in their right mind would continue to labor against their own effort to secure life liberty freedom and justice for all but the fearful deceived and the ignorant at this point? 

...and do you see or hear this generation of so called Christian Churches doing anything but going along with this bullshit? Hell no. They have 501c3 status to ensure that the poor are there to serve because the church and state are robbing labor together and creating the demand as a mark to market principle based on the devouring nature of the beast created with such contempt as to put ''In God We Trust'' on shit paper.  ...and then they say ''God bless America''. 

...Greece is the ''word'' alright!!! and it means go straight to Hell. Thou shall not tempt our Father in Christ to render your own judgment, which you have called upon you because you have rejected not only mercy but you have accepted the prophetic mark of the beast and now stand as laboring fools crying to be devlivered into the black hole! WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH THESE MORONS!  ...and why are they not reading Zero Hedge in their church sermons? Lol ''forgive them, for they know not what they do'' ...there comes a time when that one just does not apply and that hour is upon this generation. 

P.S.'s the Sabbath Day today, the day of rest for man, which is a gift that must be confirmed unto our Father in Christ, and there is a Global Ass stuck in the mud called labor. Makes sure you don't let it die. Lol

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 11:25 | 2107153 Max Hunter
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Your remind me of Jesus so much.. He would be proud to have inspired you..

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:11 | 2105645 Sudden Debt
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A "poo poo and pee pee in the pants" event.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:27 | 2105675 chinaguy
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Its called Bretton woods 4 (or 5... I forget).

All of the developed countries are at the end of their own debt supercycles. They all get together & devalue their currencies to lay the smack down on the little people & the EMs & make sure that the oligarchs are not hurt. Sorry China...your US paper is now just...a bunch of paper.

Let the propaganda ministers take over & its suddenly "a global depression" and "everyone is suffering" (except the oligarchs of course).

Problem solved.


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:40 | 2105709 Sean7k
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This is the golden rule: "he that has the gold, makes the rules". It is that simple. 

Even though we are talking worthless currecy, the same applies. Greece needs money, the lender makes the rules. The flip side is that once risk is assumed, risk must measured and insured against. This is all about CDS and banks taking a bath. 

Greece knows this, Germany knows this, the Banks know this. 

What we all have to be worried about is they also know that the best place to dump said obligations are on us. Then, through legislation, make themselves whole. 

You can guard physical assets with a gun or a community. You cannot protect the value of currency or stock/bond values. 

While all this continual debate may get the blood all heated up and the mouths ejecting spittal, it serves zero purpose if you do not prepare for the obvious solution. 

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:19 | 2105875 Money never sleeps
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Fricking Greeks are all invited to take a look at this:

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 18:15 | 2106036 rbg81
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Greece should just default, period.  Even with the short term consequences, Greeks will be better off long term than if they surrender their sovereignty to the EU (or Germany) for another handout.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 18:34 | 2106059 He_Who Carried ...
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"Yesterdays Stunning News"? Annexation demands?

Ridiculous, why would Germany want that? More Shishkebab, more Ouzo?

Nobody want's anything to do with these smelly cheaters.

THEY want money, they better start showing something for it, else they're out!
15 years of lies and betrayal are enough! Greece OUT! RAUS!

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 06:44 | 2106937 StychoKiller
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Glad yer boobs understand the situation -- the Euro boobs, not so much! :>D

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 19:27 | 2106138 philipat
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Next step. Germany politely informs Greece, "In that case, fuck off".

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:35 | 2105542 Smartie37
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Game freakin' ON !

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:51 | 2105573 gojam
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Look how high the Swiss Central Bank's 'assets' are.

(Definition - Assets = Baby Donkeys ?)

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 19:29 | 2106139 philipat
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Actually, Swiss cows. But without the bells which have already been melted down and sold.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:37 | 2105544 Dick Darlington
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Oh dear, don't you just love the Troika one pagers! The smell of soviet-style rot is getting imbearable.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:37 | 2105550 HD
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Impossible. Who wouldn't want the Germans micromanaging their everyday life so that some bankers can get a better deal?

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:56 | 2105737 Schmuck Raker
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Maybe the French will do the cooking for them.

The Italians can be in charge of recreation. It'll be like heaven...

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 21:39 | 2106292 Raging Debate
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No double cheesburgers, Coke, chinese food, sushi,enchiladas? Forget it! I am not going to your heaven.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:38 | 2105552 brewing
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it's about time this house of cards crumbled...

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:38 | 2105553 Mary Wilbur
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So Germany annexes Greece without a shot being fired.  This is indeed fizcalunion. 

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:23 | 2105669 agent default
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A bit like the Munich agreement?

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:41 | 2105555 Atomizer
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Ministry - Faith Collapsing












"there have been spontaneous demonstrations of Party workers voicing their gratitude and joy"

"there have been spontaneous demonstrations of Party workers" 

Faith collapsing

Faith collapsing


"yeah, you, come here

(what's the meaning of this?)

See'mon, come here

(what's the meaning of this?)

Look. what was I talking about?

I told you about it just the other day, didn't I, didn't I?

Why can't you do what you're told?

Why can't you do what you're told, eh?

Why can't you?

Look at it.

Look. did I tell you

Haven't you got a head?"





Faith collapsing [Repeats]


"you are the dead. remain exactly where you are. make no move until you are ordered."

"what's happening?"

"what's happening?"


"the system will eat itself" [Repeats]


"watch for a man running through the streets.

Repeating: calling all citizens.

Wanted for murder, the criminal is alone and on foot.

Let each one stand at his front door, look and listen.

Watch for a man running through the streets.

Repeating: calling all citizens."


Collapsing [Repeats]

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:27 | 2105661 The Deleuzian
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"And in the Land of Rape & Honey...You Pray"...

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:59 | 2105744 Atomizer
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Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:40 | 2105556 lolmao500
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Good job Greece! This is what happens when you get in bed with Germans :

Man dismembered and cooked after sex games

The dismembered, partially cooked corpse of a missing man has been found in a Berlin apartment, where prosecutors believe he was killed after a sex game spiralled out of control.

Crazy bastards.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:08 | 2105633 LongSoupLine
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Must have been a sex game with Wolfgang Puck....

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:27 | 2105678 Don Birnam
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Puck is an Österreicher. However, if the cookware used to do the deed is the same stuff Puck peddles on the Home Shopping Club, Wolfie may have a problem.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:41 | 2105560 GenX Investor
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Just sell the fucker...

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:52 | 2105562 valley chick
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No colonialism?  Now this is not going by TPTB's plan....


Could someone explain why George Soros is in Switzerland? 


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:39 | 2105806 smiler03
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The money is following the money.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 18:03 | 2106021 valley chick
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thanks smiler03

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:46 | 2105569 Bam_Man
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As Scooby Doo would say, "Ruh-roh".

Looks like the Germans have finally decided to stop pouring billions of Euros down the Greek rat hole.

Now it gets interesting.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:43 | 2105713 DeadFred
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There's always a plot behind the plot and this is Davos week. There are several twists remaining in this story, who can say what they are? Be certain that well placed Davoites will make money on the twists.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:48 | 2105724 oogs66
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Soros is making a bid for Hungary post default

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:48 | 2105575 navy62802
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A lot of news coming out, and it's only Saturday. Perhaps the conclusion to this abortion is closer than we think?

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:55 | 2105604 WhiteCap
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Yet the one and only headline from CNBC is : "Greece on the VERGE of a deal with private-sector creditors"

"Shortly" is replaced by "Verge"

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:16 | 2105641 RiverRoad
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And "ensuring compliance" is PIIGS Latin for "tanks rolling over the border". 

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:48 | 2105576 Elwood P Suggins
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If the Greeks want total responsibility for their budget then they also should take total responsibility for finding the money to pay for it.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:48 | 2105579 oogs66
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Time for a new puppet technocrat.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:49 | 2105584 the 300000000th...
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IIF, IMF, ESM, EFSF..... How many instuments of fraud are gonna exsist after this long overdue debt party gets busted by the reality police.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:51 | 2105589 navy62802
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Hopefully, they all disappear. Hey, we can all dream, right? I dream big.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:50 | 2105725 oogs66
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How many unelected people with cushy jobs and no real experience playing with our money and future?

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:50 | 2105586 Truffle_Shuffle
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OPA!!  Gots to be good for the DOW right? 

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:50 | 2105588 ISEEIT
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This song fades.

Bullshit seemed good for awhile, but I'm less able to keep eating it everyday.

Can this shit make you sick?


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:51 | 2105590 JR
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The originator of this story knew from the beginning that it was not Germany but the Eurogroup –the European Commission, the Internatioal Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank-- making this request of Greece. Why this pretense?  Was it to stir the weekend visitors to once more depict Germany as a Zionist villain?

The story incorrectly identifies the “Troika” demand as…and this is ludicrous…” German” demand for annexation. What’s going on with this intensional misreporting?


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 13:54 | 2105602 Tyler Durden
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As you appear confused regarding who the main actors are, here is the same story from Keep Talking Greece:

FT: Germany Calls EU to Control Greek Budget


Germany pushes for the end of the Greek sovereignty and demands to cede budget control into the hands of Greece’s lenders. The German government wants not only to appoint a state commissioner but also to take control of the budget decisions of the debt-ridden country. In a shocking proposal  obtained by Financial Times, the German government proposed  the appointment of a ‘budget commissioner’ who would implement the Troika decisions and veto any Greek government decisions that will not comply with the Troika’s budget targets. The German proposal was distributed to all EU finance ministers.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:09 | 2105636 The Alarmist
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Nice sentiment, but the EU really does not have much of an enforcement mechanism. If I were Greece, I would take the demands, take the cash, and do the sovereign version of Jingle Mail somewhere else down the line, and then sit back while the non-existent EU Army or Police don't invade to enforce the deal.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:31 | 2105692 dracos_ghost
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Good point. But there is alot of NATO hardware onsite to be thrown at the problem. It would be a dangerous gambit. I think Greece would have to allow a Russian/Chinese military presence before they "jingled".

What we're seeing here is European Socialist Technocrats vs European Communist Technocrats? Who'd a thunk.

Greece can posture all they want, but the last offer might have been their best option -- and might not be put back on the table. Once again, ruling class egos will lead to common man bloodshed/privation.

I still think this is all theater and they have a "deal in principal" already signed with blood. Just details left to clarify. (cough,cough). A Greek 4% coupon is a helluva lot more palatable than a 400% coupon if they default.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:45 | 2105710 The Alarmist
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The Russians have a lot of interests in the area (Cyprus) and have been sticking their fingers in the West's eyes lately, to wit Syria.

We used to have a joke during the cold war: If the Soviet Union attacked NATO from the rear, do you think Greece would help?

Guess that one has been turned on its head.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:29 | 2105686 JR
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Thank you for your response.

My concern is that there is an implication that the German people are behind these proposals for Greece. When, as we know, the lenders and the officials of the Troika are international bankers who formed the euro zone and who now desperately are trying to keep it from imploding.

These bankers use the offices of Germany because it is the one economy that can keep their demands credible, when in fact the origin of this demand is much more likely to have originated from France. BTW, these bankers also use the offices of the Financial Times, Reuters, der Spiegel and others to shift the responsibility for what they do to puppet politicians when in fact they are the actual power players.

The French, of course, fear that a break-up of the euro zone would free Germany to be the one powerful economy left standing.  France uses the euro zone to control Germany; Germany does not have the power over the euro zone that some are assuming. If Greece walks, Germany is much less affected than France. It’s also important to remember, of course, that each of the European states in the end will be controlled by their people and to assume Greece would now submit to anything like this proposal by the Eurogroup is incorrect.

In short, to blame Germany for seeking colonization, annexation or any of those inflammatory concepts when all this is, is the attempt of the lenders to keep together a key puzzle piece in their campaign for world government, is unjust.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 14:40 | 2105708 GeneMarchbanks
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'France uses the euro zone to control Germany; Germany does not have the power over the euro zone that some are assuming.'

And France is... what? Independent? Silly rabbit. Might as call them IMFrench.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:24 | 2105792 kanenas
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1) Merkel is elected by the German people. Don't agree with her mandates? Talk to your representative, and vote better next time.

2) I don't see a big decline of her popularity. I think that some of her decisions / opinions are made to comfort the public opinion in Germany.

3) I don't see any riots - protests in Germany against these propsals.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:58 | 2105840 AnAnonymous
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Tough landing to reality...


That is the story of US citizenism, the meeting of two populations, a population that wants to take initiative but do not want to foot responsibility (they are the politicians) and a population that is ready to support initiative as long as they are loosely connected to them (the electorate, the actual voters)

Once again, when it is going on in Europe is clear and it is by popular demand, the elite only acting by popular consent.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:11 | 2105858 JR
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There’s no rioting in America and we have an elected president and duly, legally elected congressmen. Oh, yes, Obama is such a favorite that even the wildly popular John McCain couldn’t beat him!  

Would you say that what they do is what Americans want? And would you say that if I don’t like it I can vote better next time? And, if the Germans don’t like the bankers controlling Merkel, they need to vote better next time?’

IOW, voting, because of the corruption of the party system, is a little out of date. And unless I am confused, you are asking the Germans and me to like what we’ve got and shut up.

Not going to happen!

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:27 | 2105890 AnAnonymous
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The non sequitur is useless.

It only shows that US citizens behave the same, no matter the place.

There is no discontinuity between the US citizen elite and the US citizen base.

It is the same whether US citizens apply their doctrine in Germany or in the US of A.

US citizens have now pushed this nonsensical situation that they claim that people who have no say in their government (like in autocratic government) are responsible for the actions of their government while peoplewho have say in their government are in no way responsible for their government's actions.

(to be compared with consumption issues where the non consumers are usually considered as the responsibles for any consumption crisis)

In US citizenism, governments derive their power and legitimacy from the consent of the governed.

Germans and US Americans show every day their consent, with the latter actively enlisting in the US of A armed forces.

The veil of illusion is too thin by now. Better to realize it and not come with propaganda that could have worked in 1776, but no longer now.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 16:31 | 2105898 JR
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Meaningful elections require certain fundamentals. And a free press is one of them; obviously not available either in Europe or American these days.

Via Drudge 1/27: "The Ron Paul Media Blackout Is Back On"

"After a brief spike in interest, the mainstream media coverage of GOP candidate Ron Paul is back to nearly nothing, according to the Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism. This week, less than 5 percent of all campaign stories focused on Paul, the lowest point since Dec. 11 when strong performances in Iowa and New Hampshire helped stoke some interest. Over the same period, Paul's performance in the polls has only improved, going from the single digits to 12.7 percent, putting him nearly even with Rick Santorum, in the current RealClearPolitics average."

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 09:22 | 2107035 AnAnonymous
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Meaningful elections require certain fundamentals. And a free press is one of them;


Kicking the can.

US citizens in charge of economical affairs are first and only US citizens. They kick the can as any other US citizen would do if in their position.

Calling for fair, meaningful elections and the rest is kicking the can to avoid facing the reality at hand:

US citizens are not disinformed or misinformed and they back their US citizen goverment with their consent.

US of A youth joining the military because:

a: the enemy is easy (killing is fun as marines say)
b: the money is good
c: great benefits at the end like free tuition, free healthcare, valorized social status

are not people suffering from a lack of free press, they are not disinformed or misinformed.

a, b and c are facts.

Those youths join the military on purpose to have a great kickstart to their life.

Dismissing this, calling for more free press, more transparency or the rest is just kicking the can.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 17:02 | 2105946 Prairie Fire
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Seriously--are you using some random post generator or something--I can't make sense of anything I've read by you, not a single coherent thought anywhere.

What is your fucking malfunction?

I wish ZH had a Permenant Ignore button so I could just do away with you. Your posts drive me nuts, I have to read them because of absolutley idiotic they are.

Give me your address I want to stop by so I can slap you across your face.


Sat, 01/28/2012 - 17:52 | 2106011 WolfePaq
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prairie fire balls- this was a political string and JR was refering to the manipulation of politics by the media and that all this talk about voting and representation is BS

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 10:57 | 2107112 slewie the pi-rat
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since it is your first day of posting, this is great!  but p_f_balls was not replying to JR, but to A2 who posts here as a functioning psychotic and is developing his own linguistic symbols, too!

so, check the indentations and sometimez you hafta go way the hell up the string to figure out what is going on w/ various dilaogues, here

"reply" indents yer post to the comment being addressed

see ya!

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 20:27 | 2106182 debtandtaxes
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If voting changed anything, it would be illegal.

- Emma Goldman

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 13:28 | 2107340 JR
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And "If God had intended us to vote, he would have given us candidates."

Jay Leno

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 21:19 | 2106249 Dingleberry
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Prarie...don't slap....teabag.

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 09:16 | 2107029 AnAnonymous
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Maybe self control. Quite easy to skip my posts. Right, you are a US citizen so self control is out of question.

Whatever, I am only one and it has nothing to do with being drowned as I am by US citizenism.

There is no way to escape that, even living in the most remote grotto would still leaves me exposed to US citizenism.

Gimme a break and just skip my posts.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 20:10 | 2106167 The Alarmist
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No rioting per se ... Just a bunch of inner cities whose streets are not safe at any time during the day for the average citizen to walk.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 17:07 | 2105956 OttoMBMP
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@ kanenas

You have an extremely naive concept of democracy.

Sat, 01/28/2012 - 15:07 | 2105759 Atomizer
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Putting it simply, new Czars.

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