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Greek Economy Implodes: Budget Revenues Tumble 7% In January On Expectation Of 9% Rise

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While hardly surprising to anyone who actually paid attention over the past two months to events in Greece (instead of just reacting to headlines) where among those on strike were the very tax collectors tasked with "fixing the problem", we now get a first glimpse of the sheer collapse in the Greek economy, which also confirms why Germany is now dying for Greece to pull its own Eurozone plug (predicated by a naive belief that Greece is firewalled as was discussed before. As a reminder Hank Paulson thought that Lehman, too, was firewalled on September 15, 2008). And what a collapse it is: according to just released data from Kathimerini, budget revenues lagged projections by €1 billion in the very first month of the year. "Revenues posted a 7 percent decline compared with January 2011, while the target that had been set in the budget provided for an 8.9 percent annual increase. Worse still, value-added tax receipts posted an 18.7 percent decrease last month from January 2011 as the economy continues to tread the path of recession: VAT receipts only amounted to 1.85 billion euros in January compared to 2.29 billion in the same month last year." This it the point where any referee would throw in the towel. But no: for Europe's bankers there apparently are still some leftover organs in the corpse worth harvesting. Unfortunately, at this point we fail to see how this setup ends with anything but civil war, as the April elections will merely once again reinstate the existing bloodsucking regime. We hope we are wrong.

Epic collapse:

The VAT revenue data represent a particular worrying sign regarding the depth of recession for 2012, while even more painful measures are expected to lead to a reduction in salaries and therefore a further drop in consumption. This is the vicious cycle that the government will have to tackle by way of additional fiscal measures this summer.

 

According to the current data, the 2012 budget will certainly have to be revised soon, given that the original estimate for a contraction of 2.8 percent is now raised to 3.5-4 percent of gross domestic product.

 

Finance Ministry officials attribute the slump in VAT receipt figures to the major cash flow problems that enterprises are facing. Some of the latter are choosing not to pay for their VAT in order to plug other holes caused by liquidity problems.

 

At the same time the crisis is seriously hurting the competitiveness of Greece’s economy, resulting in a considerable drop in entrepreneurship. Finance Ministry data showed that some 111,000 companies shut down in 2011, against just 75,000 new businesses being set up. In fact the majority of new start-ups are not actual enterprises but newly self-employed professionals.

 

This is attributed to the dramatic fall in market turnover and the insecurity that entrepreneurs feel, dissuading them from getting engaged in the local business field.

And this is the background against which the Troika wants Greece to cut another 150,000 people, and to cut minimum wage even more? Does nobody realize that at this point the entire Greek economy has frozen to a dead halt, and has joined only its utterly insolvent banking system in the dumpster?

How much longer will doctors fret around the patient before they finally have the decency to admit the patient has long since passed away?

 

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Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:42 | 2135918 PicassoInActions
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and euro is still going up.....

i think they will delay few more times till bank will offload their bs and then and only then they will call a default.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:53 | 2135977 Gene Parmesan
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Well, Greece is still only in a recession, right? From the article:

"as the economy continues to tread the path of recession"

Unbelievable.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:09 | 2136031 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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It's a bullish recession, and yes, it's priced in.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:15 | 2136051 JPM Hater001
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All together now...cash out Of banks leads to black market leads to lower taxes leads to more deficits leads to cash out of banks leads tO black market leads to...

This spiral is easily predictable... I mentioned the GREEKS make cheating on taxes a game long before this right?

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:21 | 2136084 ShankyS
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Maybe Corzine is working his magic over there now? 

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:28 | 2136099 TruthInSunshine
Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:33 | 2136124 candyman
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I'm really, really f'ing tired of this charade, it seems to be having no impact on the markets and is going nowhere. But I'm still holding out for this thing to crack.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:41 | 2136152 trav7777
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Why do you care what the frakin markets do?

As to the OP, ZOMG, the Greeks cheated on their taxes even more.  That'll show those pesky Germans, hey, if you ask for money we will pay you EVEN LESS.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:00 | 2136205 candyman
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There should be some fucking reward, one way or the other, for the countless hours I've spent following this drama. I admit, I'm a thrill seeker and want to see some kind of super nova blow up. I've always loved fireworks and rollercoasters. But, that's just me speaking.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:46 | 2136322 HoofHearted
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Would somebody just turn the lights out as they leave? I'm done with this already.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:04 | 2136374 economics1996
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"And this is the background against which the Troika wants Greece to cut another 150,000 people, and to cut minimum wage even more?"

Cutting government in a recession/depression is the correct response.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:05 | 2136377 economics1996
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Letting wages drop to market clearing levels is the correct response.  

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:14 | 2136537 LetThemEatRand
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Except when there is no free market, like now.   We are controlled by oligarchs.  You are advocating their complete victory while you cheer them on.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:47 | 2136557 Spirit Of Truth
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LOL! We have the deluded buffoonery of someone tragically indoctrinated in the false religion of neoclassical economics.

Market clearing wages....less government is best to counteract a recession?

Apparently you missed it when Alan Greenspan announced he had "found a flaw" in his mindless Ayn Rand fiction inspired ideological idiocy.

Note that it was World War II that pulled the West out of the Great Depression.  Why?  Because economies were effectively nationalized.

Is government and central-planning the answer to the instability and inequalities of the "irrational" market system? Mostly not. But what else can be expected when the system becomes hostage to superfluous debts created by the money masters.  Funny how those who profess to warn the world about the 'road to serfdom' have, in fact, been unwittingly paving the way there.

 

 

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:29 | 2137621 ffart
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Can you tell me why the U.S. economy didn't start to improve until the 50's when most of the New Deal policies were repealed?

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:45 | 2137670 smb12321
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Actually, the reasons the US exploded after WW2 are quite straight forward.  Factories already existed - they simply had to be retooled.  The US was not damaged physically as in Europe.  And our low-tax policies provided plenty of disposable income for all the goodies that began spouting after the war.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:15 | 2136539 The Big Ching-aso
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Greek Economy Implodes

How in the hell can you tell?

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 23:08 | 2136659 johnu1978
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Umm, no it's not!

What needs to happen here is the Greek government needs default on its debt. Pray for it, I know I will!!!!!

 

-John
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3VDJDPMOmk

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:34 | 2136574 sagerxx
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Your reward is knowledge, attitude & information. What you do with it is your reward.

Viva-- Sager

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:44 | 2136603 disabledvet
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here...how about an appropriately entertaining look as what's really going on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0&feature=player_detailpage

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:02 | 2136206 TruthInSunshine
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I should clarify my comment above about "slaves."

Anyone who owes money is enslaved to some degree. The more they owe, the more they're enslaved. This is why fractional reserve banking depends on getting entities and individuals comfortable with the notion of borrowing fiat conjured from thin air, leveraged up many times, for the Ponzi to be able to be perpetuated.

Many are not slaves, because they haven't fallen into this trap, even if they're are small subset (but growing) % of the population.

I genuinely believe they'll crash equity markets soon. Not because they want to, but because they will have to, given that sovereign debt on an unprecedented scale has to be absorbed in the coming years, and it has to be 'risk off' to get the Japanification process underway.

For those that think it's 'tin foil' speak to talk about "they'll crash the markets," it only is if you honestly believe that the PPT, Fed and Treasury truly don't roll out programs and policies to boost equity indexes, and if that's the case, I think you're naive.

If they boost equity indexes via a plethora of actions, merely abstaining from those actions necessarily means equity indexes will fall.

Japan has had to keep domestic savers in their soverign bond markets out of necessity, and their main equity index fell 92% in real terms since 1989 as this process has played out.

We'll see a similar process in the U.S. and Europe, as more incremental buyers of sovereign bonds have to be found in order to finance deficits. Absent this, non-equity assets will skyrocket, and the price of commodities, and the resulting cost-push inflation will murder economies.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:17 | 2136252 bbq on whitehou...
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All you had to say was go read My side of the mountain by Jean Creighead George.

http://www.amazon.com/Side-Mountain-Jean-Craighead-George/dp/0140348107

Its talks in plain english all you need to know about freedom.

Read in in the six grade and it still moves me to this day.

Maybe im getting old, starting to remenber the past more clearly then present days.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:32 | 2136282 TruthInSunshine
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That wouldn't have been as cathartic, though.

Besides, The Creature From Jekyll Island is the gold standard in dissecting debt enslavement and mankind's increasing lack of self-sufficiency and dependence on Dear Leader.

It's also available on Amazon:

Amazon.com: The Creature from Jekyll Island

Where does money come from? Where does it go? Who makes it? The money magicians' secrets are unveiled. We get a close look at their mirrors and smoke machines, their pulleys, cogs, and wheels that create the grand illusion called money. A dry and boring subject? Just wait!

 

You'll be hooked in five minutes. Reads like a detective story - which it really is. But it's all true. This book is about the most blatant scam of all history. It's all here: the cause of wars, boom-bust cycles, inflation, depression, prosperity.


Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:41 | 2136595 I Got Worms
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Cracking open that book 4 years ago was my red pill. Went headfirst down the rabbithole and have not looked back since.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:54 | 2136634 TruthInSunshine
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The red pill is bitter, but once one adjusts, one has far better odds of being reborn as free & liberated, and that is truly priceless.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 04:18 | 2137101 Don Diego
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I am going to order that book, through Amazon nonetheless even if that means some three-letter word agency will log my IP address as potential troublemaker. They can't put all of us in the Gulag, or maybe they can.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:03 | 2137730 pods
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When you are done with TCFJI, get Eustace Mullins book too, Secrets of the Federal Reserve.  Names more names.  Equally if not more damning.

pods

http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Federal-Reserve-Eustace-Mullins/dp/0979917654/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328713227&sr=8-1

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:21 | 2136549 booboo
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Hot damn, and I thought I was the only guy that thinks of that book and wistfully dreams of escaping to the woods with my pet falcon......wait just a damn minute, I don't have a falcon.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:54 | 2136344 JLee2027
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A slave only until you refuse to pay the debts and are willing to endure the consequences the Ponzi Kings will put to you.  That's why I ask, are the People of Greece refusing to pay taxes - thus crashing the system - because they have nothing left to lose.  Or is this due to the tax collectors strike?

Anyone who owes money is enslaved to some degree. 


Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:34 | 2136443 smb12321
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Both.  Greece, like all the Med nations, has (or should I say had?) a large underground economy off the books.  Lots of  lots of "you build my roof and I'll give you fish" deals are/were common.  The whole thing is a maddening Catch 22 - Greece can't return to the idiotic spending rampage (and endless borrowing) and they can't save enough in austerity.  Get the drachma, devalue it and get back in the cheap tourist business again.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:31 | 2136284 Ol Man
Wed, 02/08/2012 - 00:04 | 2136795 candyman
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I remember watching those tv shows growing up. I guess im giving my age away so Ill stop here, but funny clip for sure.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:07 | 2136379 bank guy in Brussels
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As Tyler suggests, they think they have a Greek bankruptcy 'contained' ... like they thought they had Lehman contained.

The post-Lehman near meltdown of the US and global financial system about 84 hours after the Lehman bankruptcy, on 18 September 2008 ... from a classic ZeroHedge article, 'How The World Almost Came To An End At 2PM On September 18':

« On Thursday (Sept 18), at 11am the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the U.S., to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two. The Treasury opened up its window to help and pumped a $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks. They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn't be further panic out there.

If they had not done that, their estimation is that by 2pm that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the U.S., would have collapsed the entire economy of the U.S., and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed. It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.

We are no better off today ... »

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/how-world-almost-came-end-2pm-september-18

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:14 | 2136534 Ned Zeppelin
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That was the official story.  But I have never bought it.  If you were in a panic, the announcement of a $250K guarantee in the afternoon, would hardly stem a panic.  And the money was draining far too fast (if the story is to be believed) for it to have been a "panic" of ordinary folks.  It would have been an institutional panic, with amounts at risk far in excess of the guaranteed account.

I have always wish this story could be actually investigated by some incorruptible types who could report the facts.  It makes no sense to me, the amounts are too large and too fast, with hardly a peep afterwards, and yet it is stated as the event that almost brought the whole show to a stop. 

Something doesn't smell right in the story.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 23:33 | 2136710 TruthInSunshine
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Bank guy in Brussels, I agree 100% with your statements.

Hubris amongst policy makers and legislators is running at all time highs, it would appear.

That those who will be most fatally wounded by such hubris are the only resource solvent enough to tap, as in productive, taxpaying members of society, is the scariest part of all.

They never learn from history and they can never seem to see the forest through the trees.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:58 | 2136358 Jack Burton
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Ha! Ha!  Yes, priced in, it is always priced in! The market is forward looking and it's sees bullish growth coming our way on the oceans of printed money flowing from central banks.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 00:23 | 2136835 Calmyourself
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You have obviously noted that the word "depression" has been removed from the lexicon of all major news media, print, tv etal..

Prepare NOW!  The time is coming where it will seem as sensible as auto or catastrophic health insurance..

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 23:38 | 2136730 EyeQ
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euro will keep going up as long as benny prints more money than the ecb. benny does NOT want a higher US dollar so he will simply outprint the Europeans.  Then eventually USA can be renamed Zimbabwe 2 abd EUro Zone becomes Zimbabwe 3, and so on.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:42 | 2135924 Olympia
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GERMANY, the DISGRACE of Europe

...the barbarians, who forced beautiful Europe to get down Zeus’“back” and made her a prostitute ...the unworthy Europeans, who in 1945 “took Europe down” from “Mount Olympus” and in 2012 relinquished “enslaved” Europe to the Phoenician loan sharks.

Germans are proved to be the easy solution to breach Europe’s door. Whoever wishes to “set foot” on Europe and demolish it, the only thing he has to do is to “fool” the Germans. For a second time in less than fifty years, Europe’s idiots become the victims of foreigners and they serve their interests at the expense of Europe...

 

http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/germany-disgrace-of-europe.html

_____________________

 

The German traitors of Europe along with the Phoenicians from Asia may have forced Europe to get down from the "back” of the Greek “bull”, but it remains to be seen how they shall pull it through with the “bull”.

 

Authored by PANAGIOTIS TRAIANOU

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:04 | 2136019 Schmuck Raker
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Yes, yes, not enough hyperbole here.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:22 | 2136088 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I find it hard enough to believe America can get along; I have no idea how Europe thought it could maintain one fiscal union.

In America there are many different types of subcultures, yet still there is an understanding that binds us.  In Europe each State has a diffferent culture, and even inside of them there are cultures that feel independent.  There was no way the EURO would function as an exchange, and even though it is sad that they tried, it is more sad that the technocrats won't let their one currencie dreams fade into reality.

Go back to what worked Europe.  You are many cultures with diferent lives, you should not act like you can all have the same expectaions but live different ways.  The ways must justify the means, and they do not currently.  Get back Europe, get back to where you once belonged.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:32 | 2136118 Conrad Murray
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The Confederation must fail so that the Republic can blossom. Oh, and pay no attention to the stovepipe-headed tyrants, riding the beasts robed in black, looking to rape that Republic into a Dictatorship.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:59 | 2136204 itstippy
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A vast difference in economic means doesn't automatically make a shared currency impossible.

My wildly irresponsible and completely insolvent Brother-In-Law conducts his transactions in dollars.  I conduct my transactions in dollars.  Mitt Romney conducts his transactions in dollars.  We're worlds apart in means, but we use the same currency.  It works because people understand that accepting payment from us in dollars is fine, dollar for dollar.  But loaning us dollars carries very different risk.

Imbecile investors bought Greek bonds figuring they were safe because they're denominated in Euros?  How stupid is that?  My Brother-In-Law would love to meet these shrewd money-managers.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:12 | 2136234 CompassionateFascist
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Worse, they took BM and her CDS's seriously.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:22 | 2136263 Excursionist
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Mark-to-market hits aside, if the investors are holding to maturity then so far so good.  Principal and interest payments have been made on time.  I bow before any fixed income manager who bought <=1 yr. Greek bonds with a defensible view on why a default would occur after maturity.  Such a manager has made / will make a killing if they're right.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:40 | 2136458 smb12321
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That's the point.  They did NOT buy them because they were considered safe.  They bought them because they thought the absurdly controlled CDS would serve as a counterweight or even as a huge moneymaker.  Leveraging your positions 100-1 sounded smart but did they ever stop and ask if the EU would ever actually allow these to kick in?  

You're right about disparate folks using a common currency.  In the US there in an implicit agreement that moneys willl flow in part from rich states to poor states but since we're all under one umbrella it's a zero sum gain.  The same cannot be said about the EU.

 

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 00:28 | 2136853 Calmyourself
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Thats a good one stippy.. How many billions have you loaned your idiot brother in law that you now wish me to pay you back having been no party to the transaction? Egregious debt if there ever was any..

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:42 | 2137657 smb12321
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What in the hell does this have to do with my post about the underground economy?  THe point is that the deals are NOT in billions (or trillions) but are outside taxable transactions.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:32 | 2136276 Eally Ucked
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You're real disapointement to me. What you said is not only silly but also against even your profile. Your premise is that if Europe did the same as your Big Ben, who I know is not your hero from reading your previous posts, we would not have too much to discuss. Now just let us know are you with Ben or you have some other solutions?

At least present some ideas to solve the problem, in Europe and US, can you? Don't bitch all the time to get Green arrows! 

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:10 | 2136390 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Huh?  I was talking about the cultures.  And this is socio-economics, and therefore my opinion:  I think that America has an easier time functioning than Europe.  Europe hvig one monetary union is the equivelent to Canada, Mexico, and the US joining up to form an AMERO.  It wouldn't work.

I am not supporting Ben at all, I am noting that America, however disfunctional, works better than Europe.  That's all.

And I never write anything to get green arrows, that much should be clear already.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:43 | 2136446 Eally Ucked
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Really it's functioning better? What about all those buncrupt states nobody talks about because they have Europe now to talk about? What about trillions for the banks to shut up everobody? Just gift and not loan like LTRO? Functioning much better because some idiots still accept your dollars, freshly printed, and Europe still doesn't want to go full speed on that? That's why I said you must be friend of Big Ben!

Maybe I exagerated with those green arrows, sorry. 

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:27 | 2136100 turtle777
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Shut up you lazy, fat Greek bastard. You want Germany's money, then bend over. The time of free gyros is over.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 23:03 | 2136653 Peter Pan
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It's not Germany's money. It's the money Germany owes to Greece for the death and damage caused during World War II to the Greek people and their nation.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 23:44 | 2136743 walküre
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Ach du liebe Scheisse!

If you're American you better get ready to pay some serious money for the damage your government caused all over the world since 9/11 and using a false flag event and "war on terrorism".

Seriously. Germany paid for WW2 more than enough and then some. Just or unjust is besides the point.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:39 | 2137647 smb12321
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Germany "paid"?  What is the price of several million lives?  The real crime was the complicity of the German public with the madmen...but at least the citizens were quiet and efficient.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 23:46 | 2136745 walküre
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Pseudo Greek Nationalism and spewing hatred is only getting you one step closer to becoming ALBANIA.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 06:27 | 2137196 Optimusprime
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A most fascinating link, for which I thank you.  I see the "votes" so far do not agree.  Too bad. 

 

I call to your attention also to Preparata's study Conjuring Hitler which goes over in exhaustive detail the Anglo-American financing of the Nazis, as part of a long-term strategy to cripple Germany.  But Preparata, unlike your author, is afraid to make unflattering reference to "the Jews", which vitiates much of the thrust of his narrative.

 

Again, thanks, and Godspeed.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:43 | 2135928 Banksters
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“The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East.” – Henry Kissinger 1974   Keepin it real, Bitchez.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:39 | 2136304 greensnacks
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Does that mean Californians will need to learn German?

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:36 | 2136578 francis_sawyer
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like, totally!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 00:04 | 2136798 Hi Ho Silver
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"Dear Mr Marinos

Thank you for your letter. As to the quote, there was no award ceremony, there was no speech and the alleged quote is entirely untrue. The whole thing is pure invention, and I expect you to correct it.

Since you are the first to tell me where the quote came from, I have only today had the opportunity to correct it in the Turkish Daily News and I have done so.

Sincerely yours,
Henry A. Kissinger"

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:43 | 2135929 Xibalba
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Better than fucking expected...no matter what.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:46 | 2135934 taniquetil
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Greeks, if you can still afford them, Mosins are only $69.95 at your local gun store!

 

And if you ever run out of ammo, you can always use them for firewood.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 00:33 | 2136865 Calmyourself
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Where the heck you apying that price without an ffl or at least a CR?

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:45 | 2135935 PicassoInActions
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one thing i am always confused.... how much money does it takes to rase a currency 200 pips?

i remember when BOJ intervene , they had to spend around 30 billion just to move JPY/USD around 300 pips.

If there are so many shorts ( the record ) for the euro, how much money in opposive direction does it take to do a short sqeeze?

 

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:49 | 2136171 New American Re...
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It just takes one quisling at the Federal Reserve Bank in front of a key board to drop the dollar, and thereby float the euro.   It's like wack a mole.    www.nar2012.com

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:47 | 2135945 zippy_uk
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Didn't Mao say that it only takes a spark to light a raging bush fire ? Raging economic bush fires coming to a European country near you...

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:49 | 2135952 carbonmutant
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Quelle surprise!

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:53 | 2135957 Thunder_Downunder
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Obligatory..

"... annnnnd it's gone."

 

Who would have thought austerity wouldn't boost revenues? I for one am shocked. Clearly, they need more austerity.

 

18% yoy decline in VAT... yowza.

 

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:50 | 2135960 apu123
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Sounds like a reason to "BUY BUY BUY" risk on!  I would expect that MDB would chime in how this is a result of all the brilliance housed in the FED/ECB.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:59 | 2136001 taniquetil
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*ahem

 

Something something something this is because the people are stupid. All you see are the proletariat rioting because they're stupid. Something something somethig need the ECB to bail out Greece and get it back on track to 5% per year GDP growth. Something something something.

 

Close enough?

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:49 | 2136329 HoofHearted
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Now let's see your AnAnonymous impression.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:50 | 2135964 Rainman
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Fiat is escaping across the border......whooda thunk it ( scratches head ) ?

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:20 | 2136257 Ropingdown
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And in a Fiat 500...or is that a Chrysler minivan? 

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:45 | 2136319 Rainman
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...more like a Ginsburg minivan.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:51 | 2135965 Falcon15
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From RT:
A meeting of Greek coalition party leaders to discuss austerity measures has once again been postponed as Prime Minister Lucas Papademos has instead been negotiating with Greece’s international creditors. The meeting with party leaders will now take place on Wednesday, the prime minister’s office said. The EU and the IMF insist that Greece must pass further harsh austerity measures, such as private sector salary cuts and civil service redundancies, in order to secure a second €130 billion bailout.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:52 | 2135970 Lord Welligton
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Time to pull up the drawbridge.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 04:45 | 2137120 Archon7
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Heh, yeah... "will the last one to leave the country please turn out the lights?"

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:53 | 2135978 Olympia
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Global Debt Crisis

The greatest private fraud of human history.
Who are the great fraudsters who are becoming the murderers of the human kind? How does the economy "illness" threaten Democracy and the freedom of people?

http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/01/global-debt-crisis.html
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By knowing what happened in indebted Greece, where loan sharks created “bubbles” and the current inhuman debt, one can understand the inhuman plan in total ...understand where this plan started just to bring all states at the same end ...understand how this type of plans are established...

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:23 | 2136092 gratefultraveller
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Might these guys have something to do with it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3GMDcFOq0g

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 04:52 | 2137128 Olympia
Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:53 | 2135979 apu123
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It would be funny if one of those hacker groups took over CNBCialis and posted real economic headlines instead of the current drivel.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:54 | 2135984 Thunder_Downunder
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I'm wondering if the EU firewall isn't going to start looking less like a metaphoric wall, and more like a concrete, steel reinforced Berlin wall...

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:57 | 2135994 vote_libertaria...
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Yepper...its all fixed.

 

buy buy buy

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:57 | 2135995 lolmao500
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I used to be outraged at Greece's lies, but then I took an arrow in the knee.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:02 | 2136014 bob_dabolina
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Does Jerry Brown govern Greece as well?

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:03 | 2136017 VelvetHog
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Civil war?  Not just Joshin' are ya?

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:05 | 2136021 Yamaha
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and the market keeps moving up...........

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:53 | 2136187 youngman
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The greek market is up 28% this month...go figure.....and the Euro is "strong".....I have lost it...nothing makes sense now...nothing...people though Madonna was good....WTF

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:10 | 2136035 Schmuck Raker
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Sad, the destruction of people's dreams, lives, societies...

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:18 | 2136067 JPM Hater001
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Whose? The Greeks?

They must be dreaming of the day they fail...no one would do this so perfectly any other way than on purpose.

Carefully what you ask for...you may get it.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:46 | 2136611 mendigo
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nothing is what it appears

and if they don't acknowledge it... it dint happen

pay no attention to the man behind the curtain

another dimension of time and space

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:11 | 2136038 zerotohero
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Greece is the word.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:42 | 2136154 Spastica Rex
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It's got groove, it's got feeling.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:11 | 2136039 Death and Gravity
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All good news. Negative growth is growth too. Bullish on EU equities!

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:13 | 2136046 Town Crier
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They expected revenues to rise 9% while nobody pays taxes.  And everybody is on strike.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:15 | 2136052 Death and Gravity
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Remember, that 68% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

An aditional 19% are pulled out of the asses of politicians.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:06 | 2136381 greensnacks
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I'm about 87% sure you made that up.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:22 | 2136266 ebworthen
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Exactly.

Did they expect that people being told to swallow "austerity" while bankers milk their treasury to increase taxes paid?

Funny.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:16 | 2136056 flyonmywall
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The same thing is coming soon, to a society near you. Greece is just the canary in the coal mine. The condition of Greek society proves that the financial elite are interested in nothing else but their bottom line number. It doesn't matter that parents are abandoning their children, that people cannot find aspirin in the pharmacies, that unemployment is in the double digits and growing, or that the people are in the streets protesting the decisions that are made for them. All that matters is the number under that final line.

This is humanity?

Pathetic.

 

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:25 | 2136097 Olympia
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Well said.

Check out the following two articles:

Global Debt Crisis: http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/01/global-debt-crisis.html

Germany, the DISGRACE of Europe: http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/germany-disgrace-of-europe.htm...

 

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:16 | 2136058 Blackfox
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Offtopic. Do not know if this has been posted allready today.

Government 'may sanction nerve-agent use on rioters', scientists fear.

"Leading neuroscientists believe that the UK Government may be about to sanction the development of nerve agents for British police that would be banned in warfare under an international treaty on chemical weapons.

A high-level group of experts has asked the Government to clarify its position on whether it intends to develop "incapacitating chemical agents" for a range of domestic uses that go beyond the limited use of chemical irritants such as CS gas for riot control"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/government-may-sanction-nerveagent-use-on-rioters-scientists-fear-6612084.html

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:18 | 2136070 John Law Lives
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Maybe the BLS can teach the Greeks how to fudge their own employment data and lie to their own people.  It might buy them a little more time until capitulation.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:20 | 2136079 Seasmoke
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now this is the definition of a death spiral

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:21 | 2136081 drink or die
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We obviously need to send Turbotax Timmy over there to give them financial advice.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 23:34 | 2136715 TruthInSunshine
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This is who the U.S. has sent to diplomatically advise the Europeans as to how to 'fix' their current debt crisis:

 

Lael Brainard , the United States Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs.


She's going to give them a straightforward, sound plan, that will resolve that which ails them, because those who can't do teach.

 

/sarc

 

*Interesting notes:  Lael Brainard is  married to Kurt Campbell, Obama's assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific Affairs.  

A China expert and former Clinton White House economic adviser, Brainard helps the Treasury grapple with the economic recovery and China currency issues.

She arrived at Treasury from the liberal Brookings Institution, where she helped start the Global Economy and Development program. She is a veteran of the Clinton administration, where she worked as the deputy director of the National Economic Council under Gene Sperling. She also advised Obama during his 2008 presidential campaign.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:24 | 2136085 gratefultraveller
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.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:22 | 2136086 RobotTrader
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Massive gains in National Bank of Greece the last two weeks:

 

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=nbg&inst...

I stand by my prediction from December that the Eurozone banks will be the biggest percentage gainers in 2012.

HBC is already up from $35 to $45.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:46 | 2136160 Spastica Rex
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What about your prediction that Europe would be out of the news by now?

EDIT: My bad, you still have 'til May: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/desperately-seeking-rumor-causing-latest-market-spike#comment-1854232

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:48 | 2136167 Gubbmint Cheese
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or his call on gold getting monkeyhammered.. etc.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:49 | 2136173 Spastica Rex
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Actually, I don't think it's real. Him/her, I mean.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:16 | 2136400 chump666
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No. The market will watch bank profits in EZ, which are sh*t.  They will sell on that, buy on commie style underwriting via the ECB, but sell on reality. If you are holding long positions on Euro banks, you are going to be killed going into 2012.  The rally happened in Jan.  Now the volatility, if you can't short or swing trade the soon-to-be brutal volatility.  Stay out of the market.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:41 | 2136147 bbq on whitehou...
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The bad news is part of the plan to force the hedge funds to puke up their debt at a loss so the ECB can buy it on the market.

Once all the power is in the hands of the chosen ones then you will start seeing good news.

Its a game and poorly played. But as is said: One boy has a full brain, two have half a brain and three boys have no brain at all.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:38 | 2136302 scatterbrains
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Makes sense to me. Isnt the Greek technocrat leader a goldman bankster? If they wanted a good number they would have created one like anything else.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:41 | 2136149 AldoHux_IV
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Like Lehman, Greece will be the sacrificial lamb to try to intimidate people into believing the fallacies we call policy-making-- a sort of boogeyman scenario. In reality, what will most likely happen is a default, fear in the markets, and some new central planned solution to get out of it and going forward people will say we have to do it or otherwise face a 'Greece' like moment.

In the meantime, people will continue to suffer unnecessarily, dreams will be broken, hope will wilt along with the patience for these corrupt assholes.

We need to take this opportunity to stop central planning dead in its footsteps or else face another 'Lehman' or 'Greece' moment where the opportunity to enact structural change and eliminate the problem of debt will disappear as the central planners will grab for more power.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:42 | 2136155 Fourth Horseman...
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This is a 2 billion euro shortfall in revenue from budget.  Eurostat estimates Greek GDP to be 200 billion euros in 2012.  If so, the revenue shortfall annualized amounts to 12% of GDP.  

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:42 | 2136156 navy62802
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Definitely bullish. Long the Euro!!!

Haha.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:53 | 2136190 bbq on whitehou...
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Yes. If Greece defaults it could lead to the ending of all what you call money. Not likely but it could set president and then its a brand new game.

Wish in one hand and shit in the other see what fills up faster. Greece will not defult on its big crediters.  Germany will get its money so will France. Its just how to sell it to the serfs thats ithe issue.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 02:26 | 2137009 IrritableBowels
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Pot?  Meet Kettle.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:56 | 2136197 youngman
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The greek people are just stealing everthing they can now...they are not sending in tax revenues...when they know they will be toast in a month or two...but that was a pretty good miss....lol....what next?  The need a BLS and  CBO...that will get those numbers to where they should be..

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:03 | 2136210 Lincolns Mullet
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This reminds of of the sadistic Monopoly player.  After he has clearly won, he coerces the other players to "keep playing, you can pay me back later" and as they do, any money they can possibly collect at that point is promptly funneled to the richest player.  The game continues even though there can only be one winner.

Of course you're thinking, "Why would anyone want to keep playing that game?"  They do because deep down, they don't want to lose and will accept greater and greater debt in the hope they can somehow escape their impending doom!

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:09 | 2136227 non_anon
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and.... another day

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:14 | 2136242 Squid Vicious
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Greek chiks are hot, so maybe more of them will come to US for strip club or hooker work... BULLISH!

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:19 | 2136255 dark pools of soros
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No market crash until Facebook finds its bagholders

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:22 | 2136265 Dermasolarapate...
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Print up a Trillion and give it to Greece.

Problem solved.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:20 | 2136409 Racer
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Is that on recycled loo roll or clean sheets?

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:16 | 2136543 chump666
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hahahaha f*ck yeah...that funny. 

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:47 | 2136323 Racer
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This whole charade by the 1% amazes me... amazes me that they can keep it going so long and continue to bleed the poor, sick and elderly and still enrich themselves

ZH... keep trying to enlighten the sheeple... they need to be awakened before the slaughterhouse beckons

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:49 | 2136331 Bunga Bunga
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Greece debt breakthrough. Papademos soon to report on the deal.

http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/griechische-schuldenkr...

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:50 | 2136335 TruthInSunshine
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08.02.2012

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:53 | 2136339 Bunga Bunga
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... means February 8, 2012.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:58 | 2136354 TruthInSunshine
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No, I mispoke and didn't get a chance to edit.

Thanks.

I just read the translated page - it seems like more regurgitation of SSDD.

The main thing that makes me suspicious is the claim of a "70% waiver of Greek Debt by private creditors."

Unless there's more to this generosity - much more - color me extremely skeptical:

In Athens, there has been a breakthrough in negotiations between the Greek government and the private creditors. Ein Sprecher der privaten Gläubiger sagte am Dienstag, der griechische Ministerpräsident Lukas Papademos werde die Finanzminister der Eurozone in Kürze über den Inhalt der vorläufigen Vereinbarung unterrichten. A spokesman for the private creditors, said on Tuesday, the Greek Prime Minister Lucas Papademos will inform the finance ministers of the euro zone in the near future about the content of the interim agreement.

A conclusion of negotiations on a cut debt seems so within reach. Das Treffen wird für Donnerstag erwartet. The meeting is expected for Thursday. Die Vertreter des Internationalen Bankenverbands (IIF) hätten am Abend ein „konstruktives Treffen“ mit Papademos und Finanzminister Evangelos Venizelos gehabt, erklärte Frank Vogl. The representatives of the International Banking Federation (IIF) have had in the evening a "constructive meeting" with Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos and Papademos said Frank Vogl.

Athens was negotiating with the private creditors on a debt waiver of more than 70 percent, will bring the relief of about 100 billion €. Meanwhile, one was originally postponed for Tuesday evening scheduled meeting of the Greek coalition tips Papademos to work on the reforms demanded by the Troika on Wednesday.

 

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 20:59 | 2136361 JLee2027
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Might as well be 8-2-2012. 

Just as believable.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 02:07 | 2136991 dogbreath
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regarding that third map of europe-2000.....................divide and conquer bitchez

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:06 | 2136380 imamonkey
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The FIX is in - there won't be pain for anyone. I just hope I'm smart enough to know when to get in & out. I'm kinda stupid like that ...

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:30 | 2136437 blindman
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the problem with greece is they don't have an f.b.i.,
or a printing press.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:32 | 2136439 JPMorgan
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Checkmate, the loan sharks and jackals have Greece cornered good and proper.

A default is the best and only option.

 

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:39 | 2136586 chump666
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everything looks squeezed. 

they either default or someone is going to die ala a Greek official.  That's where it is heading.  Blood and mayhem

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:37 | 2136453 q99x2
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The time is right to form the Monetary Trials within a group of countries that are willing to host such a return to law, order, justice and a return to democracy.

Trial of the Major Economic Criminals before the World Monetary Tribunal

Coming to a country near you.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 21:45 | 2136473 rsnoble
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How is the same regime going to get reinstated? Do they use Diebold also?

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:04 | 2136513 unrulian
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voted back in "democratically" of course

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:07 | 2136522 grgy
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It's well past time for this country to do the right thing and fall on their sword ie: simply default, return to the drachma and save further agony. 

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:46 | 2136609 imamonkey
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Agreed - I'd love to see who blows up from the CDS redemptions or whether there's any temors at all. Greece should call everyones bluff & see the fireworks.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:08 | 2136524 gookempucky
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 for Europe's bankers there apparently are still some leftover organs in the corpse worth harvesting.

You guys kill me--- classic ZH

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:35 | 2136575 Benjamin Simon
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NO! Taxes are up. Revenues are up. Everything is fine in Greece. This will all soon pass away. Bullish. But. Buy. Buy.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:36 | 2136580 chump666
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too quite.

anyways swine flu kicking in effect again, start up Mexico

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gWwOW1sfUmV54U7ah2xwcm...

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 22:53 | 2136631 sabra1
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swine flu, aids, are among many diseases developed in labs to kill mass populations, and to enrich pharmacutical companies. gardasil, which is loaded with mercury (soft kill) is being forced onto girls to prevent cervical cancer. when in fact, it creates the disease. now boys will be forced to get the vacine!

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