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Greek Election Aftermath In 1000 Years Of Context

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We have already posted this fantastic timelapse in the past on various occasions, but it is always worth putting things in Europe in their proper context, such as this 1000 years of "Old World" history summarized in 3 minutes. Many say the European experiment will end if Greece votes the 'wrong' way on June 17. Somehow, after watching the below, we doubt it.


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Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:20 | 2454346 Colombian Gringo
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The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:35 | 2454378 Ruffcut
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"The more knowledge and awareness you seek, the more you are tempted to blow your head off". -Confuckion

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:32 | 2454558 falak pema
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confuckion inventor of the head up one's ass pose? New religion for sure! 

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:34 | 2454760 Harlequin001
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Time to buy a boat and a fishing rod me thinks...

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 12:49 | 2455396 koperniuk666
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The only True Church is the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM)


A whole lot more fun than Catholicism. A lot less buggery too.



Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:44 | 2454403 Peter Pan
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Perhaps you are correct although I believe that weapons of mass destruction on the battlefield as well as in the financial sphere, combined with the lightning speed with which these things travel across the world and the computer screen, leave us all exposed due to our interconnectedness and interdependence.

Bottom line is that these map changes look impressive but tell us little of the human misery that resulted from each and every border change.

More misery to come.......much more.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:28 | 2454542 LeBalance
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Look at that mere 1000 years and marvel.

And KNOW that the Nuke Plants REQUIRE ONE MILLION years of CARE.






Wed, 05/23/2012 - 11:20 | 2454939 TBT or not TBT
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One word:   Subduction.

Another:   Zones.

Some assembly required.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 11:38 | 2454990 Overfed
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Virtually every border change, with a few exceptions, was the result of a war.  Europe looks to be about due for some conflict.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:59 | 2454449 JPM Hater001
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Except this time is different...

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:23 | 2454519 francis_sawyer
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That video looks like everyone's "ex" fighting over the loot... Everyone knows how this story ends, you end up sleeping on a couch in a one room apartment while your ex becomes a cougar and has 3 ways with the 2 pool boys she can now afford to hire...

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:57 | 2454623 BigJim
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You sound bitter.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:09 | 2454673 francis_sawyer
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I've never been married (which is why I didn't write the tale with a first person reference)... Just going by countless tales of woe (with which I'd fall on the side of empathisizing with)...

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:01 | 2454639 pods
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Bullish for Pool Boys!

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 12:11 | 2455164 Bananamerican
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that video brought to mind "contentious amoebas"

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:15 | 2454502 maxcody
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I do not agree.  The map was great.  Did you see how many change there were? We may have what seems long at time but changes come in a flash just like the map.  One discovery or one disaater can change a country or the world in a short time and long times -the it explodes in a nao second.  The 1950's seem to last a million years but the 60's were explosive.  In four years we have had a 88 million reduction in our total work force.  We have the the smallest work force in 30 years - that is not slow and that is change.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:09 | 2454671 SilverRhino
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The maplines are only slightly more stable than they used to be.   What would be interesting is seeing the government changes listed as well.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:23 | 2454526 Major Major
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European here.

Watch this to see why Europe is doing so great!

Whatever colored country we live in - we will still be around...

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:23 | 2454351 GeneMarchbanks
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That fragmentation of Yugoslavia at the end was rather sudden and quite explosive.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:38 | 2454383 tonyw
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And Greece only just makes it into the video, nearly everything south of Athens is chopped off.

Maybe that part is sold to the Chinese.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:12 | 2454487 GMadScientist
Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:47 | 2454411 ThirdWorldDude
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It was the outcome of a process similar to the one that created the EU... 

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:53 | 2454435 Croatian Patriot
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4 year!

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:16 | 2454508 Mayer Amschel R...
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Congradulations, Ustashe genocidal maniacs!

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 15:42 | 2456278 kreso
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Let me be clear here.

In Croatia, in power are descendants of prominent secret service families which keep society in check by stirring up nationalist (genocidal Ustasha regime) and socialist (communist) feelings.

Those families have to create this quasi-division in Croatian society, or they would be called up for all the crimes they have done in the past 70 years.

The majority in Croatia enjoyed easy life in the last 20 years due to the cheap Western credit. Consequential Idleness of mind is responsible for the stupid, horrible and irresponsible comment above.

England prevails.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:24 | 2454355 rsnoble
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I want this madhouse experiment to end. Fuck the NWO.  Just one step for world gov't.  The conspiracy theory they are crashing it on purpose isn't really worthy imo.  They're trying to save it all costs and it's going to cause so much damage it will be a major setback.

Other problems include the US getting their asses handed to them in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  We have no business being there.  The only problem is that the elite are using the military might and printing press of the US to accomplish these stupid little conquests of theirs and we're all going to be left in a wake of total destruction when it's over. 

The elite have the opinion 'if we can't have it all, no one can' and it's obvious the timeline has been speed up.  Even though shit is crumbling apart at their feet they are too stubborn to let go of the big picture and keep pressing forward at the world's expense. Anyone sitting on the outside looking in can clearly see it's one huge failure.  The methods they will use to maintain control and power will reach epic levels of insanity and I truly believe this place will just literally come unglued.  And that's if we don't end up in a big war with the likes of Russia and there is no winning a war against them.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:38 | 2454382 Gully Foyle
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What is so bad about One World Government?

As long as laws are enforced fairly and equally, what's the difference between what we have now and OWG?

How many people follow laws they don't agree with anyway? Ask any pot smoker, or Christian using birth control or eating lobster.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:57 | 2454442 mc_LDN
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What is bad is that world government ultimately only benefits a small elite who is able to coral control of a swath of resources and wealth to their benefit.

There is no logical rational argument for a global world government for normal Joe Bloggs. The supposed benefits do not accrue to citizens of states but rather a small elite via corporate interests.

De-centralization is the new black. Get with it.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:13 | 2454492 GMadScientist
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This happens with or without government, Read much?


Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:17 | 2454512 Baron Robber
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"De-centralization is the new black. Get with it."

Like that line

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:58 | 2454445 jayman21
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It revolves around centralization vs. decentralization.  Read some of Peter Druckers work and you will see centralization only favors the few and does not provide shareholder value or value to a local community.  A local community will take care of their own much easier.


Do you really think Detroit would be in the mess it is in if local community banks were still around and the bankers had to live with their decisions to finance inventory, the next set of small businesses, public works?  I think the answer is no.  Then think about how many people you know who are psychopaths and I am not talking about the Hannable version.  They would probably be running your one world gov't so the laws will favor the few.  This is the nature of centralization vs. decentralization.  It never works out well if you use history as a guide.  Blow back is a bitch.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:15 | 2454503 GMadScientist
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Please explain how a decentralized government would have been able to prevent the dismantling of the American manufacturing sector by private holding companies during the "barbarians at the gates" phase of 80s leveraged mania?

Ignorance is a bitch too.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:00 | 2454638 jayman21
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GMAD - I did not say centralized gov't dismantled the manufacturing base but rather the creative destruction process was not allowed to happen and we have had a one-way capital flow to centralized institutions the past 30 years.  Some communities won and many others lost.  The TBTF banks have bought most of the local banks.  Now we see Chase, CITI, BofA, Wells on every corner.  The big banks are able to collect the money from the local communities, but the TBTF did not return the capital to the local communities and they are starved of capital.  The next generation of small business where not created.  Now we are in a global mess.  If it was decentralized, the local banker who lives in the community and has control over the local banks balance sheet would be able to make loans and benefit the community.  He also is in a position to make decisions instead of calling the home office for approvals.  It is pretty simple to understand unless you get off on controlling other people as centralized institution do.


JPM took 100-200 billion of capital that were our deposits and decided to buy derivatives.  This is a misallocation of capital brought to you by centralization.  How many local communities did not receive the benefit of depositing their money with JPM?  If you assume JPM has 1 trillion then 10-20% was not returned as loans to the communities assuming we did not have a fractional reserve system.

Where is my ignorance?

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 11:49 | 2454975 GMadScientist
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What do you mean "our" deposits. I've had my savings in a local credit union since the early 90s. The .1%ers found your capital flow; it was in the Hamptons the whole time.

Who is to blame for people still banking with JPM? Did the centralized government require them to bank with dipshits?

Your ignorance: front and center

The growth of the Octupi and Squidz can be tied to government: the subsidy of the housing market (implicit backstop of GSEs now proven explicit) and regulatory favoritism for (the Big 5) banks that could take on riskier loans that allowed them to game the merger rules (they had minority loan percentages that allowed mergers while small banks generally did not) directly lead to their market dominance (and also their bankruptcy, in effect, if not public admission).


Wed, 05/23/2012 - 12:17 | 2455188 jayman21
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I do not bank at TBTF.  I am small potatoes and on the margin it does not matter where I bank.  I like knowing my banker and this is why I am at a small bank in addition to the obvious. 

GMAD, good luck if the dollar does crash.  I hope you will not have issues maintaining relationships which you will need when/if paper assets become bid-less.  You will have to produce something in your community.  You will also find out quickly what the above arguments are about.  Thanks for the fight.  I tap out.  This is becoming silly.

I hope you watch the video.  It is a walk through history, you may not agree with it, but it is a good fight.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 14:26 | 2455965 bankruptcylawyer
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anyone who believes this is a moron. 


centralization is the CENTRAL THEME of history. nations that failed to centralize and establish powerful armies were conquered , enslaved murdered and looted. 

the only nations left and dominant are the ones that centralized. 


just because life might suck for tons of people who are now living in the most powerful countries, doesn't mean that the people on the bottom class of countries that didnt' centralize aren't and weren't still DEAD and ENSLAVED. as a result. 

i'm SICK of liberal asstards talking about how making 10 bucks and hour is financial slavery. no. it's not. go to africa. you can buy an 8 year old child in some countries for about 30 or 40 u.s. dollars. 

yea. you're point about the rich being on top and benefiting from centralization is obvious. the rich are also on top in a decentralized system, by definition. 

there are always rich people because there is always scarcity. this so called anarchic communist utopia that exists somewhere in your fanatasies where there is no centralization , no rich people, no authority, and everything is honky dorry is actually nightmare called a power vaccum where every joe smith on the street with a knife starts shanking whoever walks by his property, or finds other people's property to steal from .


why? because without central power and authority of the state, property is simply what is always was, merely a function of what the property owner can and will do to assert said authority over his property against those who are willing to take his property, and his life, from him. 


that said. banksters can eat shit. 

but don't confound the two problems of banksterism/politcalprostitution and centralization fucktard. 

centralization is rock , decentralization is scissors, and god is the paper. 

rock paper scissors bitch.


Wed, 05/23/2012 - 14:40 | 2456031 Raymond K Hessel
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I was going to up you and then I read rock paper scissors I laughed.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:59 | 2454450 spankthebernank
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I hope that's a joke Gully...concentration of power is the problem.  It is very evident that evolutionarily human beings are unable to handle large amounts power at this time.  We are the sickest kind in the realm of Mother Nature.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 11:28 | 2454959 Creepy Lurker
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Agree. Until we breed a strain that can handle power without going insane and develop an effective mechanism for keeping the sociopaths out of the political system, a one world government cannot work.

In the meantime, individual freedom creates the best, most workable society. There is no Human 2.0 as of yet.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 12:23 | 2455244 jayman21
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Well said....until then, I am assuming history will repeat.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 12:59 | 2455464 koperniuk666
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the Brits managed to run the world quite well ( until the Germans broke them and the US stole what was left) and where are we now????



There are not a people in the world that have been less corrupted by great power than the British, In spite of the poor view they themselves take of their Imperial past. They possess a capacity for self-criticism unequalled in any other Nation and a sense of decency so imaginative and searching that less scrupulous opponents in the modern world have frequently used it against them.                                                     Laurence Van der Post.


Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:20 | 2454518 maxcody
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Total BUll. They do not have our values.  You sellout for a low price you give up liberity.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 13:21 | 2455620 koperniuk666
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The Catholics have been trying for One World Govt for two thousand years.

They have burnt a lot of people along the way.....

Don't underestimate the ability of these c.nts to make a come back and start burning people again.


Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:25 | 2454356 Hopeless for Change
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Funny how Germany took forever to appear and then nearly took over Europe.  I wonder if that was the morningstar...

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:40 | 2454387 Gully Foyle
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Hopeless for Change

Isn't Germany the bastard remains of Charlemagnes empire?

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:47 | 2454598 JimBowie1958
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No, that would be Germany, France and the Low Countries who are the remnant of Burgundy. These were the lands of the heirs of Charlemagne, who split his territory among his three sons.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:59 | 2454867 prole
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gULLYfOIL has got to be some kind of random-stupidity bot.

No actual human being could be that stupid

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 14:42 | 2456035 Raymond K Hessel
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In short, I agree.  GFoil is a bot or truly the monumentally stupidest.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:49 | 2454415 Praetor
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Dude the only thing that stopped Germans earlier in history was the fragmented nature of the Holy Roman (where?) Empire

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:24 | 2454528 Hopeless for Change
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The pen is mightier than the sword (or Luftwaffe or V2, as the case may be.)  This time the bankers and lawyers will accomplish what the Stormtroopers could not.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 11:12 | 2454912 Fanakapan
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The pen is mightier than the sword      Under a Benign Ruler :)

People always leave out the second bit, and that changes context a little :)

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:20 | 2454520 blunderdog
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They just didn't used to call it "Germany."  That part was the recent development.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:26 | 2454358 Mae Kadoodie
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Is this the end or just beginning?

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:49 | 2454417 Peter Pan
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I think we are stuck in the middle.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 14:57 | 2456078 vh070
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This is not the end, nor is it the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning of the end.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:26 | 2454359 _ConanTheLibert...
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ok I watched it and don't get it. What do you mean by European experiment? Europe will remain but the EU will not.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:26 | 2454363 BigJim
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Thanks Tyler

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:27 | 2454364 Byte Me
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Really ZH

This came as news to you?

While some of the border "rearrangements" were bloodless the majority were not. See if you can get this video presented properly with a rough timeline, that would be much more informative.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:07 | 2454475 V in PA
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It would have been nice to have the year ticking off to the side.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:36 | 2454568 samsara
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This came as news to you?

..."We have already posted this fantastic timelapse in the past on various occasions,"

Ya,  It looks like it was news to Tyler.



Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:30 | 2454367 falak pema
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...Many say the European experiment will end if Greece votes the 'wrong' way on June 17. Somehow, after watching the below, we doubt it....

Does someone have to see a 3 minute video to understand that? 

Just goes to show what instant culture does to the human mind : FB HAS to be worth 100 billion + 'cos WS says so, all the while Apple is priced at a P/E of five times less. 

A guess there is a 3 minute video out there to explain to us; why FB CANNOT fall below 38. Well, were beyond that "certitude" now; as we will be of many "things"; aka illusions/delusions, as 2012 unfolds. 

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:29 | 2454368 ak_khanna
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The politicians will always be politicians and they have a standard method of dealing with any problem they face, use all the means they have (money, lies and deception etc.) to postpone the problem even though it may cause a much bigger damage down the road.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:30 | 2454369 secretargentman
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I wonder if there's one with a year ticker...  there are some reference points I know when they were, but other than those few I was lost.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:28 | 2454734 GoingLoonie
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Same problem.  A year ticker would help those of us that are historically challenged.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:31 | 2454372 JackT
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Busy busy world.  

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:40 | 2454386 Byte Me
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Nothing lasts -- except change.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:41 | 2454394 Gully Foyle
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Byte Me

Finally someone who gets it.

Welcome Brother.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:49 | 2454416 Byte Me
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Thanks -- I think.

But what was the point of stating the obvious previously?

(This vid might just as well be a time lapse of culture growth in a fancily shaped petri dish) Is there a similar vid for N America?

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:55 | 2454616 marathonman
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The only thing you can count on is that you just never know.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:41 | 2454388 LULZBank
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For most of the time period covered in that 3 minute video, and then some more, nobody gave a shit about Europe.

Thats what will also be in the future.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:42 | 2454395 orved
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That was some pretty epic music. Do you think there will be some epic shit like that when they drop Greece? A kind of Big Brother eviction programme, but with fire and brimstone and lots of scary music?

And then we can all get back to normal. I cant wait to buy some FB and AAPL.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:44 | 2454401 Catullus
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I said this before: German Unification was the worst thing that ever happened to Europe.  When Germany was a federation of city states, central Europe was relatively peaceful for centuries.  Yeah, the Austrian Empire had their run, but they mostly gained territory by marrying off Hapsburgs. 

You could also argue that the nation state has only lead to destruction and warfare since its inception.

This is a great video.  Though maybe I can do with a different song in the background.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:54 | 2454437 Praetor
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So every other ethnic group could form united political units except Germans? Racist much?


The only bad thing that happened to the Germans is that they pissed of their German cousins in England who had slaughtered most of the world to form their empire.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:15 | 2454498 Catullus
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Infer non-sequiturs much?

Nothing that you said disproves that German unification was the WORST thing that happened to Europe. You just point out that other empires may have been just as bad. Though your example of the British empire does not demonstrate that because the British never made a serious attempt to invade Europe. The British empire may have been terrible on a global level, but what about it?

Also, ethnicities don't form nation states. A being German or British or French is not an ethnicity. And if they were, that would make my statement racist. It would be ethno-centric.

Use correct words to express arguments.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:32 | 2454553 Praetor
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What units of measure do you use to classify German unification as the WORST thing?  Deaths? Population movements? Border changes?

How about the Black Death, invasion of the Mongols, Ottoman advances into Europe. Just a few examples of things that were worse. Stop looking at your end of history as being special, it isnt and it's just one continous story.

I'm sorry your understabnding of history is lacking. So ethnic groups dont form nations? What stupidity. What formed the ancient Greek nations? Turkic nations? Hint: A common tribal i.e ethnic heritage.




Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:14 | 2454686 Catullus
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I didn't know history used units of measure to evaluate the impact of certain events. But since you asked, it was the worst for the general population because it was the greatest contributer to the rise of welfare-warfare state apparatus that results in two global wars and the rise of both fascism and soviet communism.

It's ok you believe the ethno-centric view of "nation" formation. How does this myth go? A group of people thinks it has some things in common like religious beliefs, language, and social mannerisms and they decide out of the blue to create a political entity that then taxes, enslaves, and/or steals their property to go fight some other political entity. Oh, and for good measure, they grant this political entity the blood right so their lineage forever holds claim over everything this "ethnicity" has or will ever create. That example is monarchy, which existed for 850 years of the above. The other 150 is democracy, which is just voting for your elites every so often.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 11:49 | 2455053 Ratscam
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The influence of the Vatikan was way worse guys, in terms of deaths, suppression of knowledge, wealth, lifestyle et cetera. It all boils down to the elites in a society.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 14:46 | 2456051 Raymond K Hessel
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You misspelled Vulcan, bwah HA HA HA HAAA AAH HA HA HA

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:44 | 2454402 YHC-FTSE
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The rate of change is proportional to the rate of communication. Expect a lot more explosive blips in the information age we're currently drowning in. While you are mulling over the "Old World" and enjoying yourself in a bout of knowing schadenfreude, think about this: In this historical context, the formation and eventual disintegration of the USA itself might only be seen as a short explosive blip in the history of the American continent. 


As for the Greeks, as I have repeated on a number of occasions, they're nuts and deserve whatever is coming their way. (Just like the rest of us).

"We've all got it coming kid." - Clint Eastwood.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:22 | 2454523 psychobilly
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"In this historical context, the formation and eventual disintegration of the USA itself might only be seen as a short explosive blip in the history of the American continent."

One can only hope.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:24 | 2454530 blunderdog
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The big question in my mind is: with the current communications infrastructure, what's the point of national borders?

Seems the modern corporation is pretty close to the modern nation-state minus the territorial claims.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:46 | 2454410 New England Patriot
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Holy Roman Empire, Batman.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:56 | 2454444 Praetor
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Which suprisingly didn't contain Rome within its boundries.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:05 | 2454466 The Alarmist
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It also wan't that holy, for that matter.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:45 | 2454593 Its the Vatican...
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Uh... and ain't 'zactly 'radicated yet, neither. :'(

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:56 | 2454622 JimBowie1958
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Which suprisingly didn't contain Rome within its boundries.

It did in its beginning, which is partly why it was called in part 'Roman'.

Charlemagne had conquored Rome and Northern Italy and had himself crowned by the Pope as the new Western Rman Emporer, trying to revive a long dead concept of unity among western Christians while it had continued strong among the Byzantines.

It was given to his youngest son who got the middle areas, but this central area got divided up fairly quickly between France and German, the east and western portions, and the eastern state got Rome and held it for centuries.

So the holy Roman Empire wasnt 'roman' so much due to holding Rome as it was due to the concept of it being a continuation of ancient Rome's Empire in the west.

As it fragmented, it lost Rome and finally fell victim to Austrian Hapsburgs undermining it in favor of their house lands which were the nucleus to the Austrian empire. Germany came about due to Prussian power and the ability of Bismark to exclude the Austrians from the unification of nonAustrian lands within the Holy Roman Empires boundries.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:07 | 2454663 Praetor
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Thanks for the lesson. I think your a better European history buff than me!

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:48 | 2454413 LULZBank
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Would be much better if Europe would be split between Africa and Asia, as it should be.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:53 | 2454433 The Alarmist
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Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.

Seriously, two observations.
1) France is perhaps the most constant state in europe across the last millenium, which explains their outsized importance in the EU today.
2) Greece has been but a blip for most of that time. I stand by my earlier comment that the EU should force merge Greece into Turkey and be done with it.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:02 | 2454451 mc_LDN
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It has been a blip. But a super-heavyweight in terms of Western Knowledge, Politics, Thought and Philospophy. The foundation of Western society as it were.

As for merging bahahaha. Have you heard of a certain Alexander the Great and Darius III. Its called The Battle of Gaugamela. Read about it. These two states have the longest running military and political rivalry in Western civilization.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:04 | 2454464 The Alarmist
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Pretty much only while it was a part of Byzantium. The question might be, does Greece = Byzantium, or did that spark  die out under years of Ottoman rule?

Change 'have' to 'had.'

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:06 | 2454469 mc_LDN
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Its a good point. How do you define continuity. The way history is defined in books you get the impression all these empires are in the past then you read and ask these questions and start thinking when did it end?

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:42 | 2454585 Praetor
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If the peoples remain on their home soil, continue to live their lives unaltered, remember their histroy, the nation or tribe still exists> Just not under their old name.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:04 | 2454465 mc_LDN
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Bahhh - Grannicus NOT Gaugamela. Sigh.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:54 | 2454613 tarsubil
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He meant hand Turkey back over to the Greeks. Kipnap all the Turkish sons and teach them their "true" culture.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 08:56 | 2454443 Decolat
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Ever set the computer against itself in a game of Risk? It practically behaves the same as this video, only not quite as pathetic, considering what is real and what isn't.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:11 | 2454481 orved
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On a similar theme:

More Epic music background. NB things get spicy at the end of the 18th C.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:58 | 2454626 tarsubil
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Bonus points to those who were too stupid for a written history. Ignorance is peace.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:26 | 2454535 TWSceptic
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Europe is - and always will be - one giant clusterfuck.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:36 | 2454537 PORTUGALIA
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The alarmist... a message to you: Portugal is the most constant country in Europe and probably in the world... Portugal was Portugal before germany, france, italy, united kingdon and even spain become countries like we know then today... in fact spain is a joke with their complex of superiority... 5 times bigger and the Portuguese have divided the world with then in the tratado de tordesilhas... i guess we can say size does not matter :) when you have a brain.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:33 | 2454559 PORTUGALIA
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The alarmist: where did you learn any north american university?... greece and turkey joint toghether in the same you ignorant north americans joint with russia.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:37 | 2454772 JimBowie1958
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The vast majority of Americans do not hate the Russians, and NONE of us hate the Russians to anywwhere near the extent that the Greeks have always hated the Turks. I have met a lot of Russians and I liked almost all of them. The Russians are good people, IMO.

But the Turks used to rule Greece and not only were they a different ethnic group lording over them, but they were also a very different religion with a long history of warfare with Christian nations. And the Turks were not above slaughtering tens of thousands of civilians in pursuit of policy; for example look at the Armenian genocide.

No, US vrs Russia is not at all like Greece vrs Turkey.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 11:27 | 2454956 tsuki
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If you think the Greeks hate them, talk to some Bulgarians.  Whew. 

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:40 | 2454579 PulauHantu29
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Free Lithuania!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bring the Mongols back!

Free iPads for the Hordes! (with gratis Facebook accounts).

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:56 | 2454621 Treason Season
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Where's Khazaria on this video?

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 12:20 | 2455227 slewie the pi-rat
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hey, long-timer!

imo for the k_zar story, no one tells it beeter than:  theWorld'sGREATESTConspiracyTheorist and here is bob's website (well, the archives, where he has made the info and his life's work on this intel available for all to consider and weigh for themselves), since ww.goldSeek kicked his ass offa their site last year after mrX "returned fromLondon"

Archives -Goldsmiths

if people scroll down to about PART CC they will be right in the middle of the k_zar/r_child connections about which he was going ape-shit as only bob can, when they pulled his plug on gS last year, approximately, and yes, there are maps of the k_zar migrations, and so on, even elsewhere, and people can find them on their own, if they wish

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 13:05 | 2455490 Treason Season
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Thanx 4 the link. I'll peruze.

BTW I'm a little con fuzed.  R U real Slewie or the imposter?

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 15:59 | 2456351 slewie the pi-rat
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L0L!!! well, just in case someone else doesn't know:

  1. click on a zH's name to get to his/her "account page"
  2. then copy/paste the account name into a newly opened link: Follow this user's comments
  3. and see what is there, and when tyler took him/her in from the porch

ps:  bob is, like anyone, not always right about everything and he has said some of the most dumbass things imaginable [except for me, you, tippecanoe, and tyler, too, of course]

if i thought what he was doing with the k_zar historicities was bullshit, i wouldn't ask people to check it out, so thanks, tree_son_see_son

anyhow, if you don't think he's the "world'sGreatest", who ya got?  that's a joke:  this guy is in a class all by himself, BiCheZ!

trust me!

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 09:58 | 2454630 Olympia
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History shall repeat itself in a far greater scale and therefore the benefit for the leading roles shall be much greater. If ancient Greeks won the battle against the barbarity of the East in favour of Europe, then modern Greeks are those who are meant to win the battle against the barbarity of both Eastern and Western world in favour of the human kind. The world has become a little “village” and in this “village” everyone knows what the character of the others is.


Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:27 | 2454726 entropos
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I blinked and missed the mighty Nazi empire. 

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:38 | 2454780 otto skorzeny
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that was just a dry run. haven't you ever seen "The Boys from Brazil"?

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 10:34 | 2454766 otto skorzeny
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There is one constant in this world-the Europeans/Eurasians will always feel the need to kill one another

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 11:16 | 2454930 prole
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These so-called "changes" in the map of Europe are missing the point and sidestepping reality. Basically meaningless

They should simply do the same shifting map for the same area and land mass, but add the (killed by western Christians) Byzantine Empire, and do a map of the rise and fall of Christianity in Europe by percent of people Christian and Moslem.  Pay attention to Yugo, Belgium, France, UK, Spain, Italy

Christianity has been dying (killing itself basically) and Islam triumphant, since 1204 by my math. We have done our part in the treachery, eradicating the Christians of Kosovo and most of Bosnia, handing the Kosovo on a silver Platter to Islam

Your sword is still wet with Christian Blood Croat

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 15:10 | 2456085 jtg
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The Latin Christians, and the West, have continually stabbed the Orthodox Eastern Christians in the back starting with the Fourth Crusade in 1204 that took Constantinople, a Christian city, which dropped what defense that remained against Muslim expansion into Anatolia, then the Balkans. This came home to roost later with the Ottoman Empire at the gate of Vienna.

The West is doing it again, helping the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafis come to power in Egypt, Libya, and probably Syria (if the West succeeds at its insane policy), causing the Orthodox Christians in the Middle East immense suffering. The West supported the Islamic jihad against itself in the Balkans with mostly agitprop claims of genocide against the Christian Serbs.

The West has a suicidal death wish, is on its death march, enabling its enemies to destroy it. Europe is done for, having condemned itself to being conquered by Muslims that it invited in with open arms. And now the West is facing the biggest super debt cycle collapse in history.

I have given up on the West. The only questions relevant to our time is how to survive its collapse. If you get sucked into dogmatic thinking aligned to the evil party or the stupid party then you are blind.

Wed, 05/23/2012 - 13:11 | 2455547 SILVERGEDDON

And, so it goes. More divide and conquer. More slaughter. More customers for the arms merchants. Business as usual.

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