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Is A Greek Military Overhaul An Attempt To Prevent A Coup?
While the calls for G-Pap's resignation grow louder and Merkozy's blood pressure rises, we couldn't help but notice a potentially significant action among the top military leaders in Greece. Athens News reports that the Minister of Defense is proposing a complete replacement of the country's 'top brass'.
From Athens News: Top Brass Replaced:
In a surprise move, the defence minister proposed on Tuesday evening the complete replacement of the country’s top brass.
At an extraordinary meeting of the Government Council of Foreign Affairs and Defence (Kysea), which comprises the prime minister and other key cabinet members, Defence Minister Panos Beglitis proposed the following changes to the army, navy and air force and the general staff:
- General Ioannis Giagkos, chief of the Greek National Defence General Staff, to be replaced by Lieutenant General Michalis Kostarakos
- Lieutenant General Fragkos Fragkoulis, chief of the Greek Army General Staff, to be replaced by lieutenant general Konstantinos Zazias
- Lieutenant General Vasilios Klokozas, chief of the Greek Air Force, to be replaced by air marshal Antonis Tsantirakis
- Vice-Admiral Dimitrios Elefsiniotis, chief of the Greek Navy General Staff, to be replaced by Rear-Admiral Kosmas Christidis
It is understood that the personnel changes took many members of the government and of the armed forces by surprise.
What better way to consolidate power than to bring in 'your guys' as the country lurches closer to all out chaos?
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Swapping men in the Greek Navy?
Maybe some basis traders caught on the wrong side of the voluntary haircut decided to finance a war to increase the probability of a hard credit event
You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
Why would you remove a gerneral whose nickname could be FragFrag?
Lieutenant General Fragkos Fragkoulis, chief of the Greek Army General Staff
I dunno man, they are all Greek to me
Sarkozy's foreign legionaires are already operating inside Greece.
G20 meeting will be a perfect arena in which to launch all out war.
We will see at least one all out revolution in Europe. Greece is an obvious first guess.
Replacing Generals with different Generals. But military coups are usually driven by Colonels... they are the ones on the outside looking in. Because if they were on the inside, they'd be Generals!
I barely recall the last Military Regime in Greece, back in the Nixon era...I think it was all General this and General that. I suspect that today's maneuver was by way of forstalling a coup. It'll happen anyway, as the current crop of Greek politicians is terminally rotten and corrupt. Like our own as well...but at least here, the military class is kept happy/busy fighting foreign imperial wars, so they're less inclined to seize power. For the time being.
No, G-Pap is a loyal servant of Israel.
Obama will fight to the death just to save G-Pap (even to return his Nobel Peace Prize, if necessary).
that doesn't make any sense. can you flesh that out a bit more?
Dude, you just hit the ball onto the wrong fairway!
No he just struck out with a 9 iron on a curveball.
German army to guard the Greek parliament?
Legion d´etranger. They have much experience in third world countries.
Q: Why does the French Foreign Legion wear those funny white hats?
A: Because they can double as a flag
You know very little ...
The Kepi Blanc is earned through blood, sweat and tears.
The original kepis were tan, however, the sun would bleach them white.
You must be fun at comedy clubs
By the by, surrender is not a legion word.
Notice you edited your post from "Your mom is fun".
You take this shit way too seriously, Ivan.
They must be tough, or else dressing like this would get there asses kicked in most towns.
Parade uniform...
As a former member of the USMC, I respect these guys.
redpill is obviously hopelessly confused about how "The Matrix" started, either that or he is deaf and colourblind.
I thought there was no such thing as a, "former member of the USMC."
There are only former Marines, no ex-Marines.
As long as the uniform came with the shit-kicking boots, the rifle, and the sidearm, I think they would be fine.
Whatever you do , don't pick a fight in a Corsican bar............
By the by, surrender is not a legion word.
Well of course not, they're French, aren't they?
They say "je me rends! je me rends! aie pitie de moi coquine homme parlant anglais!"
Actually, they are NOT French. That's why it's called the French FOREIGN Legion. Because it is composed of foreigners.
The foreign legion is the only unit of the French Army open to people of any nationality. Most legionnaires still come from European countries but a growing percentage comes from Latin America. Most of the foreign legion's commissioned officers are French with approximately 10% being former Legionnaires who have risen through the ranks. Membership of the foreign legion is often a reflection of political shifts: specific national representations generally surge whenever a country has a political crisis and tend to subside once the crisis is over and the flow of recruits dries up. After the First World War, many (Tsarist) Russians joined. Immediately before the Second World War, Czechs, Poles and Jews from Eastern Europe fled to France and ended up enlisting in the foreign legion. So did many German soldiers, former members of the Wehrmacht, after the end of the conflict.[citation needed] From 1976, Sri Lankans, in particular the Tamils, started joining the legion. Following the break-up of Yugoslavia, there were many Serbian nationals. Also in the 1990s, the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the changes in the former Warsaw Pact countries, led to an increase in recruitment from Poland and from the former republics of the USSR. In addition to the fluctuating numbers of political refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants from a wide variety of nations, there has been, since the end of World War Two, a strong core from Germany and Britain and in some cases Ireland. The foreign legion appears to have become as much a part of these two nations' culture as a French institution,[citation needed] and a certain stability in recruitment levels has developed. During the late 1980s, the foreign legion saw a large intake of trained soldiers from the UK. These men had left the British Army following its restructuring and the foreign legion's parachute unit was a popular destination. At one point, the famous 2eme REP had such a large number of British citizens amongst the ranks that it was a standing joke that the unit was really called '2eme PARA', a reference to the Second Battalion, the Parachute Regiment of the British Army. The reasons and intentions of legionnaires joining the Foreign Legion, instead of the armed forces of their own countries, is unconfirmed. Possible reasons include the majority of the foreign legion's ranks being either transient souls in need of escape and a regular wage, or refugees from countries undergoing times of crisis. In recent years, the improved conditions and professionalism of the Foreign Legion have in turn attracted a new kind of 'vocational' recruit, from middle-class backgrounds in stable and prosperous countries, such as the US, Britain and France itself. In the past, the foreign legion had a reputation for attracting criminals on the run and would-be mercenaries, but the admissions process is now severely restricted and background checks are performed on all applicants. Generally speaking, convicted felons are prohibited from joining the service. Legionnaires were, in the past, forced to enlist under a pseudonym ("declared identity"). This disposition exists in order to allow people who want to start their lives over to enlist. French citizens can enlist under a declared, fictitious, foreign citizenship (generally, a francophone one, often that of Belgium, Canada or Switzerland). After one year's service, legionnaires can regularise their situation under their true identity. After serving in the foreign legion for three years, a legionnaire may apply for French citizenship.[16] He must be serving under his real name, must no longer have problems with the authorities, and must have served with “honour and fidelity”. Furthermore, a soldier who becomes injured during a battle for France can apply for French citizenship under a provision known as “Français par le sang versé” ("French by spilled blood"). The foreign legion does not accept women in its ranks. However, there has been one woman officially member, Briton Susan Travers who joined Free French Forces during the Second World War and became a member of the Foreign Legion after the war, serving in Vietnam during the First Indochina War.[17] The foreign legion on occasion inducts honourary members into its ranks. During the siege of Dien Bien Phu this honour was granted to General Christian de Castries, Colonel Pierre Langlais, Geneviève de Galard ("The Angel of Dien Bien Phu") and Marcel Bigeard, the Officer in Command of the 6th BPC. Norman Schwarzkopf is also an honorary member. -- wiki
Code of Honour Art.
Art. 1 – Légionnaire, you are a volunteer serving France with honour and fidelity.
Art. 2 – Each legionnaire is your brother in arms whatever his nationality, his race or his religion might be. You show him the same close solidarity that links the members of the same family.
Art. 3 – Respectful of traditions, devoted to your leaders, discipline and comradeship are your strengths, courage and loyalty your virtues.
Art. 4 – Proud of your status as Legionnaire, you display this in your always impeccable uniform, your always dignified but modest behaviour, and your clean living quarters.
Art. 5 – An elite soldier, you train rigorously, you maintain your weapon as your most precious possession, and you take constant care of your physical form.
Art. 6 – The mission is sacred, you carry it out until the end and, if necessary in the field, at the risk of your life.
Art. 7 – In combat, you act without passion and without hate, you respect defeated enemies, and you never abandon your dead, your wounded, or your arms.
Actually he is quite right. Those who enter the foreign legion have to do so through blood, sweat and tears, on their knees while the commandants pound their asses. The french foreign legion is a tightly knitted gay fighting force modeled after Alexander the Great's army.
you an expert on the Legion or just on queer in general?
He's an expert on everything that makes no sense. Every time I read one of his posts, a little bit of liquidised brain dribbles out my ear.
Do you mean they still use the Stone Age military trategy & tactics?
Holly shit, I do enjoy a fall of the evil EU Empire!
The French Foreign Legion (French: Légion étrangère) is a unique military wing of the French Army established in 1831. The foreign legion was exclusively created for foreign nationals willing to serve in the French Armed Forces. Commanded by French officers, it is also open to French citizens, who amounted to 24% of the recruits as of 2007. The foreign legion is today known as an elite military unit whose training focuses not only on traditional military skills but also on its strong esprit de corps. As its men come from different countries with different cultures, this is a widely accepted solution to strengthen them enough to work as a team. Consequently, training is often described as not only physically challenging, but due to a couple of reasons, extremely stressful psychologically. --wiki
We know what it is. Go have a bloody mary.
Thanks, Dad.
... rye whiskey, neat.
Heavy drinking and chasing babes on the Corsican beaches is normal activity.
Mostly tears, though. ~
You got it right. The history of the Legion Etrangere makes many elite fighting units in this world look poor by comparison.
The history of the Legion Etrangere makes many elite fighting units in this world look poor by comparison.
Yeah, but the history of the Girl Scouts makes many elite fighting units in this world look poor by comparison.
especially if they speak arabic...
Yes, the "French" foreign Legion is a legendary and heroic fighting force...because the line-soldiers ain't French. Only the officers.
almost half of the soldiers of the French Foreign Legion are French nationals. The percentage varies but nowadays the Frenchmen are about half of the ranks
And why is the Champs-Élysées lined with trees on both sides?
... so the Germans can march in the shade. :)
There are many Germans in the legion.
The same happened the last time there've been early (re)elections
Yeap, but the elections then were two months in the future. Now it is not a good time to let the country totaly headless since the government is a non-government and placing non-experienced generals in positions because they are members of PASOK, isn't a good idea. Others could take an advantage of that.
A coup could have been bloodless in comparison to a Civil War.
Hey Greece, here come the DRONES!
C'mon stop with the hyperbole... drones? they don't have any oil.
or deep enough tans
Um, yeah but they have Sheeple there don't you know.
NATO mission over Greece to quell Greek financial "terrorism".
As soon as I heard that NATO had completed Operation Asset Transfer, I just knew they were headed to Greece.
Gotta protect all that culture.
Olive oil.
All your, All your, All your olives are belong to U.S.!!!
Seems to be the next step logically speaking. Yet I wonder if chaos is really avoidable at this point? There isn't a scenario where conflict is really bypassed.
Always police your brass.
LOL
Yeah, that shit ain't cheap.
nauuuu, skitah
This is bullish, right?
SHTF!!
Later to be reported that the Health minister ordered them in for their yearly physical.
starting with finance minister Evangelos Venizelos. And you thought you were making a joke?
http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/8/49902
one of their tiremes was badly damaged by a barbarian archer
Should have turned barbs off in the settings.
+1 for the "Civilization" reference. I miss that game.
I was thinking Age of Empires...but Civ works as well.
Miss it? The fifth one is out. I still play the fourth one, myself, but I'm considering getting the next one.
Five is ok.
Wolololo!
Converted to blue by priest.
And Biggus Dickus is to confer with Glutious Maximus. I'm tellin ya...this is big! It's Miller time bros!
OK, who the hell just floated a rumor?
Greek socialist party member said that Greek Ref. dead
...not that it's even his decision to make
OK, that's better than I thought. Was afraid it was a market response to G-Pap about do be Gadaffi'd. Didn't see your white flag, bitchez!
LOL. Looked like a 100 pt swing in the DJIA over a minute period.
Love the volatility.
The Health Minister is at it again.
"Take the jeep and get some ammo, fast!"
- Talking G.I. Joe
Yeah, what the heck happened bitchez!!!!!!!!
Market just popped higher, big move!
Auto sales numbers beat, despite consumer confidence. Adding to the sgorts on this.
interesting... going to get some popcorn.
Well, this is getting interesting...
Yep, every branch of Govt has its very own Goon Squad and now they're lining up to fight each other ..the clowns are tripping over each other, it's beyond farce
Why don't they just take the Yanks strategic direction... side-line and mothball all 3 branches of the US Govt (President, Congress and Senate) and appoint an unelected Fascist-Communist Commission loosely called a 'Super Committee'
NOTA, FTW!
"Fascist-Communist" ?
Well, at least it would have a chance of balancing itself out.
I prefer 'Anarcho-Monarchies', or 'Stalinist Representative Democracies' myself. (snarck)
IT is theatre. "welcome to my friends, to a show that never ends, step in side, step in side."
The question of the day is who's guys are they? Keep in mind that the existing commanders were replaced by the Defense Minister, not by G-Pap.
where is Chuck Norris when you need him?
He's busy gettin' whooped by Sovereign Man.
That is historically inaccurate.
http://www.moronail.net/img/13201_study-the-history-of-chuck-norris
The banksters will NOT let an honest referendum happen in Greece, at ANY cost if at all possible. The full arsenal of the West is at their disposal, including special ops ('accidents'/assassinations). The military overhaul might be an attempt to launch a coup to secure the banksters' interests and prevent any referendums on austerity measures.
You are scaring me.
Yep, endgame is getting pretty fucking serious. Not only are the sheeple waking up exponentially (as memetics could easily foresee) but the "be your own leader" meme is also implanted and growing, which will make it increasingly hard to co-opt self-organising, emergent protest movements. (Not stating that the Occupy movements are an example of this, however, many of the people independently tagging along are critical thinkers, in it for their own principles).
As most of he sheeple do not believe that there is any organized method to the chaos but rather only independently corrupt people and institutions, it might be time for the elite to stretch some muscles, remind the sheeple what their place is. Not even come out of the shadows, of sorts - but rather only to show them what kind of systematic oppression the matrix can muster.
Exactly.
Time to revive operation GLADIO! (if it ever ended)
Wouldn't it be much easier to stuff the referndum ballot box instead? Magically, the people actually approve the bailouts! Voila!
Other way 'round: Greek pols trying to prevent a coup, but prolly won't work. In fact banksters/NATO will likely operate via the Greek military.
Is this to lock down the cities so that only those for the bailout can vote?
You mean the Army that those guys in the funny outfits doing that strange goose-stepping back and forth outside the Greek parliament belong to? The "Army" that threatens to "go on strike" when military budget cuts are proposed?
They can change out the top brass all they want.
The question is: Will the rest of the military follow the people or the "top".
This could very well be a prelude to civil war.
Won't anyone think of the bondholders?
Someone here said earlier today that it was going to get bizzaro, no kidding.
some "rumor" that the referendum is DOA...yeah right!
BULL SHIT!
I'll believe it when the Health Minister says it's true.
Yes, he wears two (ass) hats, the other is the propaganda minister.
If the issues at hand are sent to referrendum, what should they fight for?
Coming soon to a country near you.
Or start a coup?
reminiscent of Turkey
Isn't it?
I love the smell of a military coup' in the morning
Surely, the Greek militairy won't shoot on it's citizens...
they won't... a military coup' works much better with the assistance of the public. They need the people on their side. Only after the dust settles can you then turn the success of the coup' into a military dictatorship.
The Greeks can either work their asses off to repay their debts or France and Germany (via NATO) will come and take the country by force. Greece cannot give the middle finger to the Global Banking Cartel, a show of force is going to be required here.
um no. Greece is part of NATO. I believe turning on a fellow member is against the charter.
CNBS saying no referendum, DJ tape too
And the market rallys back? I will have my reeferendum, whether you want it of not.
Light it up, bitchees....
The Israelis now have fighter aircraft, attack helicopters, and special ops troops based at Greek AF installations. Wonder what Israel's role would be in a Greek coup? There are awful lot of big money center banks with special friends in Israel that stand to lose a lot. This could have a lot of people in Israel very concerned, since so much of their support comes from these banks. Now if there were a coup in Greece, and the new leaders promised to make everything right for the German, French, British and American banks, and in exchange millions of Greens would labor at low wages doing anything they were told supervised by Israeli and German mercenary guards, things could work out just fine for the bankers. The IMF supervisors would all live in villas confiscated from former Greek millionaires on the islands and the people would all work doing whatever forced labor was required of them, 52 weeks a year, coupons instead of wages, no vacations, no time off - until, of course, the national debt was paid. It could work you know, and not just in Greece.
A coup by real patriots in the army would be NEAT... they could take over, default on all foreign debt and tell the Euro shills to suck it.... But I bet if that happened, NATO would be invading Greece ``for democracy`` of course.
I bet the Greek people would join the Resistance to the Nazi(NATO) forces, they could not fool too many people than with their propaganda
There won't be a military coup d'etat unless they cut military wages and they won't in a situation like this in fact they might give them bonuses. There's a reason the military is paid so well in China and enjoy much more privileges than the average population. The officers drive around in BMWs and the grunts aren't paid so bad either.
Wanna see a magic trick?
Watch how Turkish brass reacts to this news tonight. It will not go over well at all.
With the israelis in greece all the greeks would have to do is capture a few soldiers... send them off to saudia arabia...collect reward and hey presto debt gone.
next problem
Here's something from the CNBC article:
"I think this referendum will not happen. I'm hoping and praying for a government that will join other political forces." Jean-Claude Juncker, who chairs meetings of euro zone finance ministers, refused to rule out a Greek debt default.
"The Greek prime minister has taken this decision without talking it through with his European colleagues," he said in Luxembourg.
There is so much socialistic pressure on Papandreou - their offended that he should even give the piss-ant-subjects a say in what happens to the future of the country.
Look for some mysterious resignations or even deaths by Papandreou, his cabinet and/or supporters.
My god, without "s" none of them could spell their names.
Greece has a military?
I think they run a joint-military venture with canada.
Tanks on the Streets of Athens by tomorrow noon(I hope)
A Military overthrow of the puppet political regimes in Yurope would be a welcome change
time to dust off el guillotines
France has em in storage....
Coup-operation.
Prevent a coup?
This plus the highly undemocratic move of annoucing there will NOT be a referendum on exiting the EMU suggests that this is more likely an effort to engineer a coup.
It appears that someone (banksters) want to ensure the citizens of Greece will not have a democratic opt-out to the suffering decreed by the European bankster class.
Hehe, I love headlines that end in a question mark...
<Phone Rings. Ed.>
WC: Hello? This is CIA director William Casey. Is this "The Ear" gossip columnist?
Milo Bloom: Yes sir.
WC: Splendid. I just saw in today's column where you asked,
"In 1980, did William Casey REALLY trade his wife and six New Guinea virgins for the stolen Carter campaign papers?"
... I thought you might like an answer to that question.
MB: Sure.
WC: NO!!
MB:... well, it was just a hunch
-B.Breathed
Why not link to this article from 5/11
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/cia-warns-greek-military-coup-rebellion-if-austerity-intensifies
""According to the CIA report, ongoing street protests in crisis-hit Greece could turn into escalated violence and a rebellion and the Greek government could lose control, said Bild. The newspaper said the CIA report talks of a possible military coup if the situation becomes more serious and uncontrolled." Luckily, following last year's Athens mob-inspired flash crash, and 2011's MENA revolutions, the market is rather desensitized to this sort of thing, and nothing short of fat-finger driven invasion of Greece by Turkey, in its humanitarian bid to reestablish the Ottoman Empire 2.0, could dent the /ES or EURUSD by more than 0.01%."
Or This: (9/11)
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/09/05/3089230/greece-israel-sign-security-cooperation-agreement
Greece and Israel signed a security cooperation agreement amid declining Israeli relations with neighboring Turkey. Greek Defense Minister Panos Beglitis, making the first official visit by a Greek defense minister to Israel, and his Israeli counterpart, Ehud Barak, signed a cooperation memorandum on security in Jerusalem on Sunday during the first day of Beglitis' three-day trip.
Q: Is A Greek Military Overhaul An Attempt To Prevent A Coup?
A: Yes
Anonomous is picking a fight with the zeta.
The greeks piss on riot cops. If you send in the army all you are going to do is fuck your GDP into the stone age.