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The Greek Neo Nazi Manifesto

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In case anyone was wondering why such a fuss was made about a few far left and far right parties gaining ground in the Greek elections, here is the leader of the Greek Golden Dawn party - treating us to his world view. No commentary necessary.

And as a gentle reminder - we discussed these issues from a socio-economic perspective here earlier in the year.

 

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:52 | 2426657 blunderdog
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I'm glad he's up-front about it, anyway.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:51 | 2426659 Lost Wages
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There are at least 6 Nazis in this thread downrating the non-Nazis.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:14 | 2426784 Max Hunter
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and how many hired Zionists?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:00 | 2427380 Waffen
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Not nazis, just informed readers.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:51 | 2426663 Moneyswirth
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Greece is collapsing, Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in political and economic disarray.

Welcome to 430 BC, bitchez!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:57 | 2426687 ArrestBobRubin
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Wait- - it's the IRANIANS who're "getting aggressive"??? Get a grip.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:08 | 2426741 BlueCollaredOne
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I didnt junk you, but click this link and then ask yourself "how many military bases of Iran surround the US?"

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:51 | 2426665 bshirley1968
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My best advice to all of you is to read "Liberal Fascism".  A wonderful book about the history of the world over the last 100 years.  It will open you eyes about a lot of things.  It will take real guts to read it but you ALL need to read it.  The book is documented from here to forever so it is not an opinion book but rather a book of facts that calls on you to draw your own conclusions from the facts.

Just as a teaser; do you know where Hitler got his ideas from with regards to eugenics? That's right, here in the US from some of the leading minds of the time at Princeton and other major universities.  It was the leadership in the US that was pushing such ideas.  Look it up.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:00 | 2426701 Id fight Gandhi
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True. There is some merit to eugenics too. Healthy, productive people. Better than being hedonistic freaks.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:16 | 2426799 BlueCollaredOne
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Im not so sure.  Reread "A Brave New World."  The alphas and betas lead a ridiculously hedonistic lifestyle consisting of soma, sex with hundreds of partners, and vacationing, sport, etc.  In the meantime the lower castes just produce and consume to allow the higher castes to live said lifestyle. The lower castes are hardly healthy, being fed alcohol through their feeding tubes as fetuses and were given lower oxygen contents in their plasma.

I know the book is fiction, but seeing how Aldous's brother was Julian Huxley, a prominent eugenicist, the book more than likely paints a picture of what the inner circle of eugenicists cream their panties over.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:31 | 2426888 Id fight Gandhi
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I didn't mean it in that sense. As a society, we're all concerned with birth control and abortions, the rights to choose and such.

But why aren't people as concerned with the health and genes of their partners with whom they have offspring with? It's not really fair to the next generation to have pass on poor traits and health.

Eugenics isn't saying destroy a created life or scorn those that exist that arent perfect, but to be selective in the mates we choose. I don't see how that's controversial.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:48 | 2426976 BlueCollaredOne
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I agree with all your principles.  Of course people should worry about the health and genes of there partners, but they don't and the only way that will ever occur IMO is with a massive social movement. I have a very biased view because I live in DC., but the only people around here that are having kid's are the people who are eating gubmint cheese.

Im not college educated, but my friends are.  A majority of the one's that are married hold firm on positions that they will not be having kids.  They see it as a disservice for the child in the sense that most envision the future to be something out of a dystopic Philip K Dick novel or akin to the movie "Idiocracy".  I can't say I blame them.

It's just when I see the word "Eugenics," I shudder a little knowing all the evil ideas that have been thought up in the name of "Eugenics."

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:09 | 2427472 Things that go bump
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If they are firm in those beliefs they had better get themselves sterilized.  When Romanian women stopped having children because they didn't want to bring a child into such a place, Ceausecu denied them birth control.  

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:42 | 2427723 fajensen
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Which backfired because those unwanted and unloved children grew up to become adults who didn't give a fuck, and they killed him (and now they are busy stripping Europe for copper and portable valuable items).

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:21 | 2427943 Things that go bump
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Yes, but that isn't the point.  The point is that even your procreative ability can at any time be coopted by the state.   

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:00 | 2428712 Cathartes Aura
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+100 internet pixels.

for all the "it's just a social issue" dudes here - it's only an unimportant *shrug* if it's not your body being regulated by government, policed by hierarchy.

so narrow minded to think that once .gov has its foot in the door, it won't stop there, won't force itself into your life.

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:01 | 2426704 LFMayor
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Was Sangar wrong, or did she just not tatke it to the correct levels? 

Look where society was, and what they did back then, with a lot less tech and supposed effeciencies that we now enjoy.   Then look to these powdered, soft hand effiminate do nothings that permeate business, politics and culture.   

For all our gifted and inclusive thoughts and actions, are we really better off?  Who are the real threats?

Instead of euthanizing retards, maybe we should adapt some theories and inject anyone who has read "Who Moved My Cheese" and believes it's the blueprint for "good management".

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:02 | 2426720 Vince Clortho
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The Fabian Socialists, CFR, and Central Planners have been discussing eugenics since the early 20th century

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:32 | 2426882 psychobilly
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"My best advice to all of you is to read 'Liberal Fascism'."

Your best advice?  As a Zionist/neoconservative ideologue, Jonah Goldberg would know a lot about fascism. 

I know regime propagandists like Jonah are popular with the lower orders.  Personally I find nationalist chickenhawk pundits repulsive.  Jonah should be boxed up and shipped off to Israel.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:41 | 2426948 Sandmann
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Billy Psycho, well named

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:40 | 2426946 Sandmann
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Good Book

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:55 | 2426680 Quinvarius
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I think we have to face up to the reality that the Jews are going to be the scape goat again after this depression, just like last time.  Most likely due to their involvement in banking and foreign clickiness.  If you are a smart Jew, you will leave Greece.  If you are a stupid one, you will be offended by this post, and await the thugs which will surely come for you in the night.  This is just human nature.  It has not changed.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:05 | 2426731 Sweet Chicken
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With a very heavy heart I sadly agree. :(

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:17 | 2427110 Mitzibitzi
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We're not seeing more than a slight increase in anti-Semitism in the UK, oddly enough. It's gone up a touch but not a huge amount. Anti-Islam / Pakistani / anybody who looks ethnically similar... oh, baby!

I've done my little bit to clamp down on it, though. A local shopkeeper is ex-Sri Lanka and moved first to Germany, then the UK to escape the ethnic semi-civil-war in her region. I get the impression she may be a Tamil and her husband isn't and that caused them some shit back home, but she doesn't like to talk about it, so... anyways, I've made sure even the local weed-brigade dickheads know she isn't a Muslim, or a Paki and that I'd be very upset if she's given any undue aggravation.

In actual fact, her husband is sometimes a dick, but at least give the guy grief for being a dick, not his religion or the colour of his skin.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:13 | 2428753 Cathartes Aura
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Cornershop - Sleep on the Left Side

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqxGzawZPqQ&feature=relmfu

<3 tjinder, oh how we danced then. . .bhangra!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:54 | 2426681 Moneyswirth
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Not sure whats more disturbing, the rise of violence and nationalism in Greece, or that certain people actually defending this Neo-Nazi scum in this thread.

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:05 | 2426684 Ratscam
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he forgot to mention the 40 million starved to death chinese under Mao - remember governments kill the most people - who controls government? The psychopaths with the most money.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:59 | 2426692 Lost Wages
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I take back what I said earlier. There are way more than 6 Nazis on Zerohedge. I'm guessing about 42% of commenters are Nazis. Typical. Fiscal conservatism always goes hand-in-hand with racism for some reason.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:06 | 2426738 LFMayor
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you still upset because your grandma was a HUGE FAN of jazz music, or what?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:09 | 2426752 blunderdog
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It's nothing like that.  Simple answers suit simple minds, that's all. 

When things get ugly, few people have the patience to try to understand context, so the only ideas which gain any traction are as sophisticated as "hang the bankers," "burn the Jews," "restore traditional values."

I'm surprised we haven't seen the full-blown "God and Freedom" party in the USA yet, to be honest.  But I guess that just demonstrates the power of the two-party hegemony.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:24 | 2428806 Cathartes Aura
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like, "it's the feminazi's that took over amrkn culture and ruined everything!!!"

yup, simple minded. . .

When things get ugly, few people have the patience to try to understand context, so the only ideas which gain any traction are as sophisticated as "hang the bankers," "burn the Jews," "restore traditional values."

the "restore traditional values" meme often just means, like back when white men were front & center, women were in the kitchen (or bedroom), and "coloured" people had signs to tell there where NOT to go. . . once the privilege pyramid flat-lined, and it was all scramble for monies in order to be "seen" as better than, the competition got fierce, and what was "traditionally" valued became a free-for-all. . .

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:16 | 2426797 Sweet Chicken
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WTF man I'm fiscally conservative and I'm certainly not a fascist. Spouting nonsense like that is as bad as this Nazi douchebags rhetoric!?!?!?!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:17 | 2426804 V in PA
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Fiscal conservatism always goes hand-in-hand with racism for some reason.

 

So is it official that Jews are a race? Because I have heard that they are and that they aren't.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:33 | 2426903 Id fight Gandhi
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Jews have specific traits to be a race. It seems they want to be one or not be one based on whatever advantage that has for the circumstance.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:47 | 2426962 V in PA
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Well, it is important. Hating someone because of their religion, which is the same as hating them for their political views, is understandable. It's their choice to believe/behave the way they do. But hating someone just because they are born a certain way (Black, Asian, Down Syndrome) is wrong.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:22 | 2427125 blunderdog
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Start by understanding what "race" is, and maybe the question makes sense.  But no one really has a good handle on race.

Judaism is a religion, and "Jewishness" seems to be an ethnicity independent of religious belief. 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:24 | 2426854 Max Hunter
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Cry me a fucking river you pussy..

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:45 | 2426920 Lost Wages
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All I'm saying is more people might be willing to identify with conservatism if you didn't mix fiscal responsibility with hating everyone who's not like you. I grew up around conservatives and to tell me they're not racist is just blowing smoke up my ass. You can see it in the way Republican candidates can't even PRETEND to admire equality and are always chomping at the bit to say something derogatory about blacks, mexicans, women, gays, poor people, etc. It seems to me like conservatives only play up their financial and economic beliefs so they can spread more hate, racism, sexism, classism, later on. Capitalism doesn't have to be about subjugating every other race and belief system to your wealth and comfort. Even Ron Paul couldn't manage to own a newsletter without one of his friends posting something racist in it.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:08 | 2427070 moondog
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Your assertion that right leaning folks are to blame for all racism and prejudice is incorrect. I grew up around wealthy left and right leaning folks and they were equally prejudiced. They looked down on the poor, uneducated masses with disdain.

There is prejudice in every cultural, religious, and socio-economic group. For you to believe it only applies to conservatives is naive.

As you meet more people and understand different religions and cultures you will find that prejudice is common and would seem to be human nature. Whether we reach across religious and cultural lines to overcome that inherent prejudice is a personal decision.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:02 | 2427044 InconvenientCou...
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Humans are wired to be tribal. Put whatever neo-intellectual label you want on it. Tribe X has always thought Tribe B looked, smelled or acted funny. It's amusing.

Densely populated human civilization is inherently unstable and quite temporary, I assure you.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:13 | 2427091 moondog
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You distilled my comment to it's purest form. Humans are social animals who like what's familiar. All humans are prejudiced in their own way.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:25 | 2427147 Mitzibitzi
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A moderate dose of intelligence doesn't help, especially when an individual knows he / she is getting the shitty end of the stick but can't see a way to do anything about it. That's when they start looking for a scapegoat, because it's easier than admitting that they just might not have the intelligence and / or skillset to do anything about it themselves. Doesn't help when TPTB are trying so very hard to keep people stoopid AND quietly fomenting various kinds of tribal friction, of course.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:55 | 2427352 nowhereman
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Another "Us vs. Them" scenario, well learned through years of accepting the premise of being a "social animal".  Searching for the sanctity of group membership, the blaming of the "other".  When in fact it's just "you".  Examine the groups you identify with, it will tell you volumes about yourself.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:47 | 2427295 nowhereman
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More anthropological claptrap, and psuedo science at it's best.  We're not wired to be tribal, we're wired to be logical, and logic tells us there is safety in numbers.  The myth of "social by nature" is a convenient way to get you to follow the "majority" and remain complacent.

We are individuals, yet we give up our freedom for the so called safety of the herd.  It's interesting to see how deeply ingrained this fact is, and as a result how easily we are manipulated through our own consent.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:56 | 2427350 Colonial Intent
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To be fair, Most ZHer's are more inclined towards mussolini's ideas than hitlers.

Fanta managed to be successful despite their nazi origins

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:58 | 2426696 lordbyroniv
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All this links back to Aleister Crowley

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:40 | 2426934 Lost Wages
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Except Aleister Crowley would have been well hated by the Nazis. Half of his teachings come from Kabbalah. I'm also pretty sure he was willing to fuck and do drugs with anyone from any land. He respected Morocco, India, Egypt, Israel. He was a real multiculturalist. Of course, Golden Dawn was just the group that Crowley learned from. He went on to form his own OTO, which seemed to have a lot more emphasis on sex. Crowley claims to be the one who taught Churchill the victory V symbol as an occult antidote to the swastika & took credit for ending WWII.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:00 | 2426698 Bubble
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I saw a black woman with a fendi bag yesterday walking down the street, I did a double take as I wondered why on earth she was carrying a golden dawn bag. Fascists always have the best fashions, you gotta give em that. The SS all wore Hugo Boss suits after all. Dunno why that isn't in their advertising material....

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:02 | 2426708 q99x2
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Hail storm.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:02 | 2426709 TJ00
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In Soviet Eurozone, Greek Nazis invade Germany!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:00 | 2426710 Oldwood
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The common thread for all of the Socialists, democratic socialists or communists is that they believe in the power of the State, and no amount of murder and oppression is too great for the advancement of their dreams. So many think we can soften the harshness that a free economy can express through government enforced socialist policies. Socialism is a virus that feeds on the healthy tissue that a free economy produces. It cannot be firewalled to prevent absolute economic destruction, especially by a large central controlled government, that is dumb at best and corrupt at worst.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:09 | 2426711 Yellowhoard
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Strangely, The Golden Dawn is a Masonic Branch with Kabbalistic mysticism.

Zionists in short.

There's a big difference between ordinary Jews and Zionists.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:42 | 2426954 moondog
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Excellent point, the Zionists could give a shit about religious Jews. They only worship money and power.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:04 | 2426713 dwdollar
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What, no mention of Japanese civilians having their skin melted off while they were still alive?

To the victor goes the spoils... including the gullible minds of future generations.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:12 | 2426765 LFMayor
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More tears for the poor oppressed? 

Fuck them.  You decide you're ready to Step Up, expect to get hit.  They should have thought that shit through a lot better before they kicked it off.

These idiots in charge today would do better if they looked back at that and starting trying to find parallels to learn from.  Foremost being: Piss of America... the real American (not the metrosexuals) and your sack is going to be put through the wringer. 

How many fucking times do we have to teach this lesson? 

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:37 | 2426897 dwdollar
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The real American? You mean the average insolvent American household who owes everything to one of the mega banks? They'll do anything the banker says to keep their sorry ass pretend fairytale world alive just a little longer. If that means killing someone, you're right about that. BUT, don't confuse desperation with bravery.

Reminds me of the "bad-ass" who gets a loan for a Harley. What a true American rebel... LOL.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:48 | 2426964 LFMayor
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when it fall apart, are the bankers going to take all those houses and harleys back?  No.  Some will escape, to be hunted later.  the rest will be eaten.

I don't mean to shake your belief system up, but there are already wolves in the sheep pastures.  Wolves with a taste for shepherds pie, so to speak.

And the sheep won't do a fucking thing but keep eating grass and trying to survive any way they can, same as it ever was.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:04 | 2427055 dogbreath
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the brave will take some wolves down.   the problem with wolves is they require credibility and when they lose that it will be open season

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:37 | 2427227 nowhereman
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A "true American rebel" steals it.  That is, stiffs the bank and dares them to come take it back.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:41 | 2426941 moondog
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The Japanese were as ruthless as the Nazi's.

Read up on Japanese war crimes.

Between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military murdered from nearly 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most likely 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. Unit 731 was brutal in it's use of vivisection and amputations without anesthesia and testing of biological weapons.

The Allies are at fault as well in their attack on civilians.

War is horrific. This is something government propaganda doesn't teach the youth.

http://youtu.be/aNUr__-VZeQ

 

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:37 | 2427683 Things that go bump
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When I was a kid in junior high (we didn't have middle school back then), we were shown a documentary film about WWII.  There was a scene in it that haunts me to this day with the chilling horror of it.  I will carry that vision to my grave.  The fools filmed a group of Japanese soldiers dragging Chinese women and children into a pit dug in the earth and throwing them in alive.  I couldn't imagine what they were doing. Then they filled the hole with earth and stamped it down and just walked away.  

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 16:35 | 2428836 Cathartes Aura
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Uni - formed men.   their stories are history.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:54 | 2427793 Iwanttoknow
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Moondog, Dr ichi was not even tried.He was buried with honors.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:01 | 2426714 Zgangsta
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I bet Golden Dawn gets 10% of the next election vote.  They got over twice the votes they were expected to in pre-election polls, because people don't want to admit voting for them.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:27 | 2426863 agent default
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This is the norm with the far right.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:04 | 2426719 spanish inquisition
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He is just odd enough to paint him as a radical and make it easy to invade Greece. It all hinges on if the Greeks decide to print their own money. Printing money without the "assistance" of a private central bank will not be tolerated.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:25 | 2426853 Pseudolus
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FYI: Greek central Bank is privately owned

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:32 | 2427205 nowhereman
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Yeah right, and that's why they have to do the ECB's bidding. 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:04 | 2426721 youALREADYknow
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Seems like one of the more forthright and upfront politicians I've heard in a long time. Whether you agree/disagree with him is another story but his comment that "the victor writes history" is 100% correct. It's funny how passionately some people here will fight economic consensus and yet believe every piece of propaganda thrown in their face when it impacts their religious, moral, or racial foundation.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:39 | 2427704 Things that go bump
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That the victors write the history is hardly an original thought, you know.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:08 | 2426736 Seasmoke
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the winner always gets to write history

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:07 | 2426746 writingsonthewall
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No question in my mind - this guy is a fruit cake.

 

However - his point about Dresden is true - the allies mass murdered civilians in a firestorm caused by carpet bombing - Attacking not the militarised Nazi's but the ordinary Germans.

 

As a result of this Bomber Harris is hailed as a hero in Britain (the architect of carpet bombing and the dresden firestorm) - a man who specifically targetted civilians rather than the military targets as he felt the effect was more effective. Britains are often 'trained' to think that this ended the war early (when indeed there is no evidence of this)

 

This shows it's the victors of war who write history - always painting their own deeds in the best light. The problem is this gives the Nazi's ammunition as the 'allies' and vctors of WWII refuse to admit their own attrocities in an act of hypocriscy which is alway unpopular.

 

All deaths in war are uneccessary and regretable - it's a shame we only ever talk about the losing sides attrocities. Hell most people in Britain have no idea of the attrocities their soldiers performed in India, Africa and America (before it becamse the US) - such is the propaganda of their education.

 

WWII started because someone in europe refused to pay their debts - what's going to happen this time?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:19 | 2426815 LFMayor
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what a bunch of remorseful, ego stroking bullshit.

Deaths are uneccesary in war?  Just how in the fuck are you supposed to win the damn thing then?  This same deluded notion of yours equates to these half with hippies thinking windmills are going to power the world. 

There are absolutes:
You don't get something for nothing.
You will die one day.
You cannot change another person.

That last one means that either they change their mind themselves, or you have to inflict enough pain to make them want to.  Or do it the easy way and kill them.

Even the goddamn speed limit is based upon denying a person.  Break it, get caught, get denied.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:28 | 2426866 Ratscam
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war is necessary?
So governments start a war because the entire population hates their neighbors or in the case of America, hates another continent?
Grow up and read. Its all about money and control orchestrated by sick psychopaths. i hope you don,t beat or kill your wife if you don,t agree with her.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:42 | 2426951 LFMayor
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Well, now I'm tattoo'd with the convienient Wife Beater/Mysogonist label.  What's next in your argument?  Raciss?

Grow up, he counseled.

What I said was killing in war is necesary.

And you better believe war, or the threat of war is necessary, if you want to keep what you've earned.   You see, not everyone in the world operates on your elightened higher plane of thinking.   Some people out there actually have ill intent for you!  Shocking, i know, with you having nothing but the best intentions for them and them not even knowing you... the REAL you.

Best of luck explaining your good intentions to those that would predate you.  Try buying them a Coke, and teach them to sing in perfect harmony.  You can maybe find solace in knowing that "It's not Their Fault". 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:11 | 2427079 Ratscam
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no intent to label you.

There are many sick people out there no question, however they are the minority. My point was that it is not the people within the countries that hate each other, war is orchestrated by very few psychopathic individuals who have lots of money and control, and who never go themself or send their kids to war. They finance both sides. We should let them fight in public like in the old days.
Most people just want to be left enjoying their life.
Read Smedley Butler, war is a racket. Hasn,t changed since.

Another idea: what if all the countries would adopt the priciple of armed neutrality? It,s never gonna work, because too little money is made in the process by the banking cabal.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:35 | 2426906 WAMO556
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The war had nothing to do with whatever it is that you people are talking about. The war was about BANKSTERs making money. Also known at the time as WAR PROFITEERS.

And here you fuckers are arguing about "who was right"! Would be better if you knuckleheads just opine about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Remember this:

1. Bankers are bad guys - remember, the only time that Jesus got angry and violent was chasing the bankers out of the temple and called them MONEY CHANGERS!

2. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2 and Afghanistan were wars of what? The bankers? They made money, and most of them did not have any of theirs sons in the fight. Just saying

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:39 | 2426932 Sandmann
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Bomber Harris is hailed as a hero in Britain

 

That is not true. He was treated abysmally by Churchill who ordered him to do it and then hung him out to dry. 

Of the 120,000 who served, 55,573 were killed including over 10,000 Canadians.

They and the Murmansk Convoys  got no Campaign Medal. Bomber Command received no memorial under 1992.

Bomber Harris  "I know that the destruction of so large and splendid a city at this late stage of the war was considered unnecessary even by a good many people who admit that our earlier attacks were as fully justified as any other operation of war. Here I will only say that the attack on Dresden was at the time considered a military necessity by much more important people than myself."

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:38 | 2427230 Mitzibitzi
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I can tell you from 8 year's experience that no member of the RAF, past or present, (except the inevitable cadre of war-lovers present in any military formation) is proud of bombing Dresden. In fact, I was once asked by a fairly high ranking officer, "Almost makes you wonder what there was in Dresden that we were so very desperate to burn, doesn't it?"

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:14 | 2426792 Motorhead
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Hope that fat fuck chokes on some kleftiko.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:16 | 2426795 web bot
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Your "No commentary necessary" made me take on long deep breath before I listened...

After all that the Nazis did... morons like this still don't get it. What a #ucking shame that the 20th century's legacy is settling on this.

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:19 | 2426828 LFMayor
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All that they did... you mean like give us rocket and jet technology?

Oh! you mean the other "things". 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:57 | 2427375 ThirdWorldDude
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Hey, cheer up, those same guys got USA citizenship after WW11... Heard of "Operation Paperclip"?  The whole fucking NASA is run by these guys, but it gets interesting when you realize that Jack Parsons is one of Crowley's best students... What a mix, eh? Nazis and Zionists all at the same place, gathered together and grooving with a pict...

 

Let me tell you a little secret - all of these power-hungry assholes have the same boss - the guy with the money. All the divisions and clashes existing on the lower levels of society are imposed, controlled and financed by the same people. Think about it next time you spit out some white-arian-dominance shit!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:16 | 2426796 aerial view
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The best line in the entire interview: "history is written by the victors!"

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:24 | 2426847 Pseudolus
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Natural justice. At least the coin landed this way, not the other...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:20 | 2426825 walcott
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when finacial impositions are placed on entire populations and the people are analyzed and processed like a de beers diamond. There's going to be blow back. People need to lighten up on eachother. It's past ridiculous.

Hell yeah its cool to be into what you love. But 99% of the population will never understand that kind of expetise talent and passion. You can't teach those qualities. Just like you can't teach speed on the athletic field.

Most people are absolutely average. They're into routine. They just want to live quietly and not under constant threat. Opression creates Opression.

 


The Diamond Empire- Oppenheimer family's cartel, Artificial scarcity (1994)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8A9JXLyRwc

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:20 | 2426826 walcott
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    op·pres·sion

noun /??preSH?n/ http://ssl.gstatic.com/dictionary/static/images/icons/1/pronunciation.pn...); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; opacity: 0.55; display: inline-block; float: none; height: 16px; vertical-align: bottom; width: 16px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 1px solid transparent;"> 
oppressions, plural

  1. Prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control
    • - a region shattered by oppression and killing
  2. The state of being subject to such treatment or control
  3. Mental pressure or distress
    • - her mood had initially been alarm and a sense of oppression

Web definitions

  • the act of subjugating by cruelty; "the tyrant's oppression of the people"
  • the state of being kept down by unjust use of force or authority: "after years of oppression they finally revolted"
  • a feeling of being oppressed
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  • (oppress) come down on or keep down by unjust use of one's authority; "The government oppresses political activists"
  • (oppress) persecute: cause to suffer; "Jews were persecuted in the former Soviet Union"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

  • (oppressed) laden: burdened psychologically or mentally; "laden with grief"; "oppressed by a sense of failure"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

  • Oppression is the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner. It can also be defined as an act or instance of oppressing, the state of being oppressed, and the feeling of being heavily burdened, mentally or physically, by troubles, adverse conditions, and anxiety.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression

  • Oppressor was a technical death metal band from Chicago, Illinois, which formed in 1991 and finished in 1999. They released three albums. Three of the band's members went on to form alternative metal band Soil.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppressor

  • (The Oppressed) The Oppressed is a Welsh anti-fascist Oi! band that formed in 1981 in Cardiff. Most of the musicians in the band's various lineups were skinheads. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oppressed

  • (oppress) Physically to press down on (someone) with harmful effects; to smother, crush; To keep down by force; To make sad or gloomy
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oppress

  • (oppressive) Burdensome or difficult to bear; Tyrannical or exercising unjust power
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oppressive

  • (oppressor) Someone who oppresses another or others
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oppressor

  • (oppress) (v) o? b?rm?zg?, q?sar?a
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  • (oppress) To take control of a person without their consent as in possession or without inhabiting their body. The spirit couple in Bad Blood oppresses the father and daughter into acting out the spirits death story. ...
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  • (oppressive) (adj.): overbearing; hard to put up with
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  • (Oppressive) The ridiculous humidity lately. Bla...
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  • (Oppressor) From Swetnam. The attacker of an exchange, or play. Equivalent to Silver's agent.
quarterstaff.home.comcast.net/~quarterstaff/glossary.html

  • The state before possession (see possession)
www.emparanormalsociety.com/glossary.htm

  • the systematic mistreatment of a group of people -- not for what they've done but for whom they are -- enforced by society and its institutions.
www.zolnai.ca/old/glossary.htm

  • 1. Prejudice and power. 2. A systematic social phenomenon based on the difference between social groups that involves ideological domination, institutional control, and the promulgation of the oppressor group's ideology, logic system and culture on the oppressed group. ...
www.globalexchange.org/about/aocdefinitions.html

  • Exists when one social group, whether knowingly or unconsciously, exploits another social group for its own benefit.
lgbtcenter.ucdavis.edu/lgbt-education/social-justice-terms-1

  • The systematic repression and exploitation of specific communities and individuals for the benefit of other communities and individuals. ...
sypp.org/resources/sypps-definitions/

  • The domination of one individual or group by another, more powerful, individual or group, using cultural, economic, physical, psychological, or social threats or force and frequently using an explicit ideology to justify the oppression.
www.bcsth.ca/content/glossary

  • The act of treating people in a cruel and unjust way.
www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp

  • Treatment of a group of people within a society that results in the systematic denial of equal access to civil rights, freedoms, and power within that society. ...
www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/seattle_schools_racism_2…

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:37 | 2426925 my puppy for prez
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I love the way the Holocaust is the only genocide ever mentioned (over and over and over) in the news.

But then again, it shouldn't surprise anyone when one actually analyzes who REALLY owns the news industry globally.

Communist revolutionaries (many Jewish!) were infiltrating throughout Europe in those days.  Is that okay with everyone here?  Should countries have just laid down and let the communists take over just to not offend the Jews?

Besides, those who truly understand how world events work know that the global puppetmasters (bankers, et al) funded and promulgated both sides of the war.  That fact is not even up for debate!  Simple Hegelian dialectical exercises.

Why is questioning historical claims not permitted in this world?  Questioning is a sign of rational thinking.  When people are actually thrown in jail for questioning Holocaust figures, it makes me think "thou doest protest too much!"

Jews were given complete citizenship in Germany.  Then the Jewish red revolutionaries began to destablize things, as well as the mainly Jewish owned bankers.  These two groups of troublemakers are largely responsible for the imprisonment of the innocent Jews, their own people.  

How would YOU feel if you lived in a country which bordered an area which had fallen victim to a violent and bloody communist revolution, knowing their sights were set on you and the rest of Europe next? 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:39 | 2426937 my puppy for prez
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And if you don't believe my post above, I challenge you to search on the web and read Benjamin Freedman's speech from circa 1960.  He was a Jew, and right hand man to Morgenthau!  He tried to warn America.  Maybe you need to read what he had to say!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:50 | 2426988 flacorps
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Unless and until the ITS archives in Bad Arolson are opened, the true number of Holocaust victims will not be known. The Germans kept good records. Opening them would allow for the 6 million figure to be proven true, or a kaballistic number drawn from the air, or the result of simply subtracting the number of Jews who lived in Europe before the war from the number who were still in Europe after the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Tracing_Service#Controversy

There is no question Nazis (and many other WW2 era groups) were anti-Semitic. There is no question the Nazis sought to cleanse Germany of Jewry. There is no question Jews were placed in camps and subjected to inhumane treatment. There is no question that decision to import Jews as expendable slave labor (and by extension, to exterminate those held in the camps and found elsewhere) was taken as Wannsee at the beginning of 1942 under Reinhard Heydrich.

The question remains, what is the true number?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:17 | 2427112 my puppy for prez
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The other question that remains is:  What are the TRUE roots of "anti-semitism" (even though Jews are not Semites!), and is it not possible that the Talmudic Zionists have brought much of it upon their own people over the millenia?

If one wants to see some seriously ugly racism, I would suggest reading the Talmud.  To the Zionists, it is a very important book.  

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:38 | 2428297 Centurion9.41
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It's also of no question that no one came to the aid of the Jews, that there was a great silence for a reason.

The fact is Jews have two sets of moral, ethical, and business laws/rules, one they apply to each other and another for non-Jews.  Such is not uncommon, all minorities have throughout history "taken care of their own".

The problem most honest people have with the Holocaust is the portrayal of the Jews as a group of poor, picked on, innocent peasants working for the European people who were descended upon by evil Germans for no reason.  And that narrative is not only completely false, it is one perpetuated by Jews in the MSM, intelligentsia, and religious circles.

The true number will never be known.  But the vast majority of historians agree the number is significantly less than the 6 million marketed by those, Jews and non-Jews, with a vested interest in the Jewish Holocaust machine.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:41 | 2426938 stiler
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Golden Dawn

Breaking Dawn

Mitt Obamney and the RINOs

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:54 | 2426999 flacorps
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"Dawn" is an illuminist meme. All who use it are suspect. Including Ronald Reagan's "morning in America" meme.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:42 | 2426947 Centurion9.41
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This is a great argument for why Truth, Ideology/Philosophy & Facts are so important, and why voting for a PERSON is so dangerous.

The reason this guy gets any political traction is twofold.  First false facts are left uncorrected; e.g. the number of Jews killed in Concentration Camps - the popularly cited numbers were heavily influenced by Russian calculations and have since been, silently and with almost no MSM acknowledgement, reduced.  By letting such falsehood continue with arguments like "well does the number really matter, it was a lot", only provides great soil for evil people to confuse and manipulate the ignorant.  Second, by allowing the truth of the past to be perverted by re-naming ideological/philosophical foundations; e.g. socialism to liberalism to progressivism to hope & change.

It does no good to make the story about this nut job.

Worse, to brush away historical facts with arguments like "the real number doesn't matter, it was a lot".  What should have been said is "yes, that number is wrong, and it's hard to figure out the true number because of the crimes of war you mentioned, BUT what we do know is that the Nazi party deliberately put into camps and starved anyone who disagreed with their belief in Aryan supremacy.  And that sir is the problem."

But I guess I hope too much for change from the journalism profession; which is filled with morons.

By the way, when I was in Greece during 2002 we saw Swastika symbols followed by "= USA" and other niceties.  So don't think for a minute that the sub-prime crisis has anything significant to do with the hatred of the US by socialists, etc. in Europe.   That whole line of crap is nothing more than political fodder for Sheeple that want to believe it.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:03 | 2427042 my puppy for prez
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I am not a Nazi.  Never have been, never will be.

But it IS important to point out that the Jews were not put into camps b/c they were Jews, but because there were many Jewish communist revolutionaries infiltrating Germany at the time.  Germany didn't want to fall like Russia and others did.  You can't blaim Germany for that.  Did things get a little out of hand?  Yes.  Has "history" been revised regarding the actual events?  Yes.  

I don't like the idea of putting people in camps, because we are probably next!  But I also get sick of the lies and exclusions of the very important facts that many Jews were communist revolutionaries that had made the Bolshevik revolution "successful", and were working on Germany next!  It was many times difficult to tell the revolutionaries from the innocents.  While I agree that some version of the atrocities did happen, I don't ANYONE can put a definitve number on it.  History books are written by the same people that control the global mainstream media.  That does not bode well for discovering truth.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:22 | 2427575 Colonial Intent
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The third reichs pogrom against their jewish population got "a little out of hand"

Seriously WTF?

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:39 | 2428035 my puppy for prez
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Would you rather me say, "God save the Zionist global communist revolution?"

Jews were not the only ones in camps.  Remeber that!  Must you dice and slice all idioms as a launching pad for your hysteria?

For the record, I am against ALL tyranny and death.  ALL!  

That is exactly why I get sick and tired of NEVER hearing about the many more millions that were SLAUGHTERED in the Bolshevik revolution, predominantly by JEWISH COMMUNIST REVOLUTIONARIES!

Maybe if they would do a little apologizing for THAT, and also the vile, racist Talmud, then the world could heal.  But of course, that's never going to happen.  Why?  Because the current neocon regime is a direct descendant ofthe TROTSKYITES!  

Besides...Zionists, as well-documented, were perfectly happy to let their own people die in order to achieve their end goal:  the State of Israel.  

The problem is, you are operating from what YOU think is totally legitimate, verified "historical fact."  You will never get to an accurate understanding of what happened as long as you depend on the rubber-stamped version you have been spoonfed in "school" and the "media".  

When all is said and done, BOTH sides of the war were funded by the globalist financiers.  So if we are going to blame anyone, it should be THEM.  Divide and conquer is their motto, if you have not figured it out yet.

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:30 | 2428272 Centurion9.41
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Now Puppy, if your real goal end the lie of Jews being forever picked on, unfairly treated more than other peoples and never having been involved in anything that is responsible for the murder of millions based on an ideology... i.e. their history is more like the Nazi's than of a poor oppressed people.

If that's your point and goal, well then stick to promoting the facts that support it; which as you know they are legion.

BS comments like "a little out of hand" and pointing to irrelevant facts only make you sound like a Nazi supporter.

That said, it IS as you say a fact that Jews were the intellectual father's of Communism.  Though I'm not convinced they intended to create Uncle Joe. 

Trust in stating the facts and you will make a difference. 

I know this because I agree with you far more than you probably think.

Try this question the next time someone wants to paint the Jews in Europe as "poor victims"; ask the person If the Jews were so innocent of ALL the propaganda put out by the Nazi's, then why did no one stand up for them?"  The fact is there were enough bad Jews doing bad things that the propaganda could get traction in a very difficult economic environment.

As they say, stereotypes and jokes just don't happen.  They need to contain some truths in which people can identify.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:18 | 2428460 Colonial Intent
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Oops....

Best data ive seen gives 3 million total including jews from outside of germany and thats still less than the 3.5 million stalin killed in the thirties.

But he was on our side so thats ok.

P.S. jews were the only faith/people/culture allowed to practise usury for over 400 years* and they used it to their competitive advantage.

*Capitalism's finest hour IMHO

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:45 | 2428640 my puppy for prez
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I appreciate your more nuanced, clever approach.  I suppose I got caught up in the hysteria.  I am just soul-tired of all the propaganda that is spewed on a daily basis.  History always has more than one side, but the madness is that people are only allowed to express a particular viewpoint, lest they be called names or charged with a hate crime.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:51 | 2428674 Colonial Intent
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Dr Norman Finkelstein uses data instead of anecdotes, thats what makes his argument more compelling.

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:26 | 2428504 Colonial Intent
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"Would you rather me say, "God save the Zionist global communist revolution?""

Only if you had a mouth full of olives, that would be funny....

 

"The problem is, you are operating from what YOU think is totally legitimate, verified "historical fact."  You will never get to an accurate understanding of what happened as long as you depend on the rubber-stamped version you have been spoonfed in "school" and the "media"."

You are absolutely correct, i have already decided what is reality and will brook no argument on the subject, thats why i read ZH and consider the different points of view of the comments then analyse them to try and learn from people with different views to my own.

You should try it sometime, it can be most illuminating.....

 

"So if we are going to blame anyone, it should be THEM. Divide and conquer is their motto, if you have not figured it out yet."

I blame you, me and everybody else for not stopping them.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:41 | 2428602 my puppy for prez
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Believe me...I DO consider other viewpoints.....all the time.  We all know that WWII was a multi-faceted disaster that hurt MANY people from MANY origins.  All humanity was the victim.  History is impossible to know completely, as it is written by humans, each with their own agenda.

I guess I get frustrated when people are not allowed to question "history" without being called "nazis" or "jew-haters".  It is so reactionary and infantile.  The globalists have done a good job creating a human shield behind which they can carry out their dark agenda.

I just want peace, and more wars to carry out more agendas makes me cranky! 

BTW...your "olive" comment was good.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:26 | 2427622 Centurion9.41
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Thanks for making my point... of how to F things up even more.

Look.  It's utter BS to assert that Jews were not put into camp b/c they were Jews but rather because of their political role in  Communism.  If Communism were that much of a concern, then not only would it been extremely likely that the Nazi's would have had a camp symbol specifically for Communists, but they also wouldn't have spent so much time campaigning against RACE.

Nazis' repeatedly spoke of the superiority of the Aryan RACE and their culture, and the inferiority of other races and cultures.  And that they systemically, as a political philosophy and ideology, looked to exterminate ANYONE who was against their Aryan ideology and likewise structured their society to create a "master" race that would rule over all other races.

You can't correct a lie by bringing up things that are factually true but irrelevant to the ideology.

You are doing exactly what Lloyd B & Jamie D are doing when they say "we were hedging our banks exposure to positions we hold".  Yes it's factually true JD's 2 billion loss was on a position that does act as a hedge against positions the firm has.  But that is NOT the reason they have the position.  And that is the CRITICAL fact.  Not the BS that the claimed hedge does factually hedge another position.

To make matters worse, your poor argument serves to cover up the fact that Jews were a critical source of ideological and political thought that gave rise to Communism/USSR.   It does so by your weak fact about the correlation of Jews/Communism/Nazism having the effect of people saying "this guy is obviously reaching to bolster his own agenda" and they not only consider you and idiot but also apply the same to the factual arguments you make regarding the role of Jews in Communism.  So in the end you double-f yourself and the truth.

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:34 | 2427680 billsykes
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Didn't, ahh whats that country called........ the one the rounded up the former rail way slaves and then put them in prison camps based soley on race at the same time as this.... ah whats the name of that country..... Oh ya I remember it was called america.

 

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:48 | 2426967 Printfaster
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Golden Dawn.

Rothschild financed honeypot.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:57 | 2427007 Element
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A few things for perspective:

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March 6th 2011 - 7:15pm

Al Jazeera's Hoda Abdel Hamid, reporting from Benghazi, reveals more about those newly released British soldiers - apparently on a "diplomatic mission". She reports they were found outside the town of Suluq, about 50km south of Benghazi - and at least 200km from any oil installations. British special forces had earlier helped to evacuate oil workers from facilities in the Libyan desert. The eight were brought back to Benghazi, handed over to the National Council and rebel commanders.
 
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-6-0

 
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March 6th 2011 - 8:17am

The British Ministry of Defence is refusing to confirm or deny a newspaper report saying several of its elite soldiers have been arrested by rebel forces in eastern Libya. The Sunday Times says up to eight SAS troops were on a secret mission to contact opposition leaders, when they were detained.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-6-0

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Jon Leyne, who is in Benghazi, said the men went to the compound of an agricultural company  where they were challenged by Libyan guards and asked if they had weapons. [ another source said the 'diplomat' was an Mi6 spy who had actually been stationed in the area for a whole 6 months prior ... so was recognised by the witnesses]

"Witnesses said that when the men's bags were checked they were found to contain arms, ammunition, explosives, maps and passports from at least four different nationalities. [standard diplomatic kit, apparently!]
 
"The witnesses said at that point all eight men were arrested and taken to an army base in Benghazi where they are being held by the opposition forces who control this area."
 
I spoke to one person and he said it's ok, they're fine. We're in contact with London, just give us a few days and it'll all be ok. [i.e. as we will then get a no-fly-zone]

I think basically that the opposition here, the people in control, have an understanding of the situation: these are not hostile people [er, well, SAS usally are a bit hostile].
 
The problem was arriving on a helicopter, in the middle of the night, carrying weapons.
 
You can understand the sort of fears that provoked here and so there were misunderstandings, they have been arrested.
 
The big question here is why on earth, if this was some kind of diplomatic or even military liaison, they chose to do it like this?
 
The HMS York was docked in Benghazi harbour on Wednesday.
 
So if Britain wanted to send anybody in to the court house where the proto-government is based here, they could have jumped in a taxi, or even walked there, from the harbour.
 
Meanwhile, the British evacuation of EU nationals continues, with the Royal Navy frigate HMS Cumberland setting sail from Benghazi.

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And then there was this story that came out just one months later;

 

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Special Forces scandal as officers are held 'for trying to leak secrets'

By Stephen Wright, David Williams and Ian Drury

MAIL Online

UPDATED: 07:39 GMT, 9 April 2011

Scandal: Two senior Special Forces officers have been arrested, suspected of leaking highly sensitive details

Two senior Special Forces officers suspected of leaking details of highly sensitive covert operations have been arrested under the Official Secrets Act, the Daily Mail can reveal.

The unprecedented arrests came as members of the SAS and SBS were deployed in Libya in preparation for airstrikes and to liaise with rebels and identify stranded British oil workers for rescue.

It was unclear last night what the officers are suspected of leaking, but it is understood it involves attempts to pass it to a major broadcaster.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375048/SAS-officers-held-trying...

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So it appears they were trying to alert us about what really happened;

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British bungle Libyan SAS mission

AM - London correspondent Rachael Brown

Updated March 07, 2011 10:21:00

A British SAS unit has been released after being captured by rebels in eastern Libya.

Up to six SAS solders were detained by rebels near Benghazi after flying into the area by helicopter on Friday [this was March 4th 2012, or rather, 2AM on March 5th, or 16 hours before the explosion, that occurred at 6:30PM on March 5th ... and inserted within walking distance of the weapon storage site explosion.].

It is understood they were escorting British diplomats trying to establish contact with opponents of Libyan leader Moamar Gaddafi.

An opposition spokesman in Benghazi has told reporters that rebels refused to talk to the British delegation because of the way they entered the country.

The team is said to have entered without prior arrangement in the dead of night, carrying guns, explosives, and passports of multiple nationalities.

In an embarrassment to the UK, Libyan state television has broadcast what is believed to be a phone conversation between the British ambassador to Libya, Richard Northern, and an opposition spokesman.

Mr Northern is heard explaining the soldiers' presence to a spokesman for Libyan former justice minister Mostafa Abdel Jalil - now part of the opposition National Transitional Council - and saying there has been a misunderstanding.

"We have been planning to send some officials to stay in Benghazi to liaise with you, with the National Council, but also to keep an eye on the humanitarian situation," he said. [with their sacks full of demolition charges]

"We sent today ahead of those officials who are coming ... a small group just to find if there was a hotel, if everything was working and there was somewhere they could stay and work when we get our group organised."

Mr Northern says the group was picked up by local security [it was the rebels and police who arrested them, not 'security' ... lol] concerned about their presence and who they were.

[Interestingly they were not at all concerned about the cataclysmic explosion and shockwave that had just occured, a few kilometers away, that was so energetic it could have leveled a small city ... just about their presence and who they were ... rriiiiight!].

The spokesman for Mr Jalil replies: "They made a big mistake with coming with helicopter I think in an open area."

"The people, they note that there was somebody, some people [were] coming down," he said.

Mr Northern replies: "Oh, I'm not surprised. That is alarming."

The spokesman for Mr Jalil then says: "They talked to them and there is investigation now going on." [this refers to a second covert group of 'diplomats' that was also captured in Benghazi soon after the blast]

The UK Foreign Office has confirmed the SAS soldiers have been released and have returned to HMS Cumberland.

But foreign secretary William Hague would not be drawn on what the team was doing in Benghazi in the first place.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-03-07/british-bungle-libyan-sas-mission/...

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The curious fact is that this concealed British SAS team, with weapons, maps and explosives, inserted at 2AM from a helicopter, and were captured around 10 km (six miles) from the site of the major arms dump explosion, within hours of it exploding.

This weapon dump deprived the rebels of a huge store of heavy weapons and ammunition, and it was the galvanising event that lead to Gaddafi's forces announcing the retaking of all the rebels gains and commencing a flanking rush into the outskirts of Benghazi.

And it was this rapid forwards push of Gaddafi's forces that lead to the claims and clamour in the MSM, especially via the BBC etc., that up to half a million people in the city may be killed by Gaddafi's army.

And it was this setup and propaganda which caused/forced Russian and China to adopt the resolution for a 'no-fly-zone'.

Or rather, the establishment of a MONOPOLY NATO FLY-ZONE, in which they could fly and bomb the living crap out of the country, before anyone woke-up and could intervene to end it.
 
i.e. or as the wolf that ate grandma would have said, "all the better to bomb you with, Little Red Ridding Hood!".

Why mention all these odious war crimes?  Because there is a familiar pattern emerging;

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Syrian opposition activists ask Kosovo for advice

Published April 26, 2012

Associated Press

PRISTINA, Kosovo –  A Syrian dissident said Thursday his country's opposition is turning to Kosovo's former rebels-turned-politicians for advice on how to topple Bashar Assad's regime in Damascus.

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And take note of the date.  i.e. dthe Rebels were training to setup an insurgent war during the so-called UN observed backed "ceasefire".

i.e. the "Free Syrian Army", of so-called 'rebels', has zero intent to establish and maintain peace, or doing all this for 'freedom' and 'democracy'.  No, they intend to roll right across the middle east from country to country, destroying every one of them.

In order to save them.

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Syrian Rebels Kill 23 Soldiers, Reject Peace Talks

Rebel Council: Arab League Efforts 'Failed'

by Jason Ditz, May 14, 2012

The state of Syria’s month-long ceasefire is once again in serious doubt today, with rebels taking credit for a massive attack in the town of Rastan which killed at least 23 soldiers.

The rebels claimed that the town of Rastan was “destroyed” in the fighting. Rebels also assassinated a top tribal elder in Deir Ezzor, along with his son. The two were killed after reportedly being warned to stop “cooperating” with the government.

http://news.antiwar.com/2012/05/14/syrian-rebels-kill-23-soldiers-reject...

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And then there's this;

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Kosovo voices strong support for Syria opposition

By Louis Charbonneau

UNITED NATIONS | Mon May 14, 2012 7:24pm EDT

(Reuters) - Kosovo's Foreign Minister Enver Hoxhaj voiced strong support on Monday for Syria's opposition, saying his government had already established diplomatic contacts with Syrians fighting to oust President Bashar al-Assad.

Hoxhaj was responding to comments by Russian U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, who warned the U.N. Security Council that Kosovo should not be allowed to become a training center for rebels.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/14/us-syria-kosovo-idUSBRE84D1EI2...

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Last I looked Kosovo was a NATO protectorate and part of Europe.  So, this little shit of an Islamic pseudo-'state' is training Islamic radicals in order to attack foreign countries, by proxy  ... WTF?

And note that this sate of Kosovo was set up by a previous UN no-fly-zone and bombing!

Isn't this all looking a bit familiar to you?

Apparently the Russians think it is too ... as just when it looked like maybe NATO and Washington would try to suck-up to Russia, over the missile-shield gig in Poland etc., ... well, think again, we continue to drift to war;

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AFP: Russia warns Kosovo against training Syria rebels

15 May 2012 | 02:22 | FOCUS News Agency

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Russia on Monday warned Kosovo against allowing the training of Syrian opposition rebels on its territory, with its UN envoy saying it could cause international friction, AFP reports.

Russian ambassador Vitaly Churkin condemned what he called "disturbing information" that Kosovo authorities had been "establishing contacts with the Syrian opposition to train insurgents" in Kosovo.

Kosovo's foreign minister denied any training was planned.

Diplomats and media reports said that at least three exiled Syrian activists have been in Kosovo recently for talks with the former Kosovo rebels who fought a separatist war against Serbia in 1998-99.

Churkin told a UN Security Council meeting on Kosovo that any training of Syria rebels would "run afoul" of the peace mission by UN-Arab League envoy Kofi Annan.

"Moreover turning Kosovo into an international training center for insurgents of various armed units could become a serious destabilizing factor, one going beyond the Balkan region," he said.

Churkin called on the European Union and United Nations which have missions in Kosovo to act to prevent a presence by Syrian rebels.

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n277999
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/05/14/russia-warns-kosovo-against-training-...

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As I've been saying, we're witnessing the initial stages of a rapidly escalating PROXY-WAR that is being fought in the Middle East and North Africa on behalf of NATO, Russia and China (well, actually, these are proxies too ... for who runs those militaries/states). 

This, and other serious developments in the region, are the reason why Israel is calling-up reserves, and 'mobilising' for a more protracted combat situation to fester.

Don't take your eye off the ball as this war will become much larger and much more deadly than the previous invasions and insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan.  It's going to spread, it will roll through the entire region, and it has already begun to.  Quite possibly tens of millions will be butchered before it plays itself out, and there's a high likelihood it will be 'transmitted' globally.

Plus take note that just as the US did in Pakistan with Taliban and Al-CIAda fighters, the US and NATO are again training and arming Islamic 'fundamentalists', in order to fight another proxy war, only this time they're backing the Sunni sectarianism, rather than Pashtoon tribalism.

What could possibly go wrong with that?

Is it reasonable to reject the peace option, as the Libyan and Syrian rebels have? 

Why is NATO allowing this occur from the shitty little wannabe state of Kosovo?

And why would any country or organisation or state support such behaviour ... unless NATO actually wanted it?

And finally, why the fuck is Joe-public the idiot watching Dancing with the Stars as a part of the real world seems intent on rapidly transforming into a no-fly-zone?  Won't be long and they'll drop all the military-correctness, for the MSM, and just call it an air and maritime exclusion zone.

I almost forgot this, why are Washington and Brussels openly operating alongside Al-CIAda in Libya and Syria? ... and no doubt several other locations, as well?

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Syria: The Explosive Lutfallah Ii Arms Smuggling Scandal
Posted on May 4, 2012
NATO, AL QAEDA CAUGHT SHIPPING WEAPONS TO FSA BY SEA VIA BENGHAZI

http://syria360.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/syria-the-explosive-lutfallah-i...

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And Greece is just to the south of Kosovo.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:26 | 2427629 ThirdWorldDude
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Great post! A little more facts about Kosovo:

Although Kosovo is not directly bordering with Greece, it is a big player on the chessboard in the greater region. One of Uncle Sam's Gitmo's is there (the biggest US mil. base on the Balkans) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel , they are repetitively accused of training "muslim rebels" and for being the largest drug lab in Europe http://www.rense.com/general45/crime.htm and for harvesting organs from the Serbian minority there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo

Of course, EU, UN, NATO and the US Gov. deny every allegation made against their involvement...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:27 | 2427979 fajensen
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Why is NATO allowing this occur from the shitty little wannabe state of Kosovo?

Because a deal has been made: Help Saudi Wahabbism to survive and spread - continue to get cheap oil exclusively priced in USD. Some terr'ists come out of it, well, there will be justification for draconial surveillance and security - just what the NATO scum wants anyway to keep the old dinosaur relevant, modern & well funded.

"We" are busy summarily killing whatever the Saudis would call Apostates and Heretics in the middle east and North Africa, the Christians must first be offered conversion - so we are safe a while yet - the Jews are last because that would bring the end of the world (and if you are a fat fuckheaded Saudi bigot you want your lot of the eartly pleasures in Dubai a wee while longer).

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:59 | 2427036 mademesmile
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When I read "All of the ____ are ____ " 

It's complete crap. No Ethnicity, Religion or Nation is comprised of ONLY devils OR angels.

Individuals still matter.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:16 | 2427105 Guinny_Ire
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a)No one is going to lead Greece to World Domination

b)No one is going to win in Greece based on a German ideology platform.

this guy is a non story.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:27 | 2427156 TDoS
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You know all those black clad anarchists who hate the bankers in Greece?  The ones always throwing molotovs at the riot police?  Well they hate fucking fascists too.  There is a wide array of videos from the "Antifa" movement across Europe.

The black flag is your friend. 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:28 | 2427167 Travis Bickel
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A big 'Fuck You" to all the Nazi Cocksuckers posting on this thread. 

WTF is going on here ZH?

 

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:37 | 2427222 mogul rider
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......

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:27 | 2427169 Peter K
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Yep. The money question is: How much money did the radical left get from the former Soviet Union to fund their operations? 

 

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:34 | 2427201 mogul rider
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He kinda sounds like a gold bug actually

You keep telling them that 100 ounce brick isn't gonna buy food at the store and they come back with silver as the medium of exchange....

You keep telling them that international exchange can't be done in gold anymore and they freak....

You tell them that the elites will shove it up their ass before they ever let the gold standard come back and they freak...

fuck I don't know, maybe this guy is as right as gold nutters are...

They really remind me of this guy

 

It's a trade nothing more

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:42 | 2427246 mogul rider
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geez ya say something about Jews and the whole house comes down...

Oh wait right I got it now, this is amoney changer website

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:46 | 2427284 walcott
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who do you think funded this guy? The same people who took the country down.

The same people who funded Hitler. The same people who sent every dollar to China.

The same people who funded the Russian revolution. The French Revolution.

The American Civil War. The same people who funded SK 2001 Space Odyssey.

Look at the Greek Euro. Then look at the 1 on the upper right of the one dollar Bill.

Bohemian Grove bonfire owl. Look at the Bilderberg owl logo.

 

Same game plan as WW2 all over again. Massive population reduction with extreme prejudice.

Get a bunch of idots to lather up the tribes through religions and conjured up left right wing ideologies.

Two wings on the same freaking same bird and it works every time.

Ideologies - Idiots - I-pods - pod people - invasion of the body snatchers 1978 ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nFXIPdseQA

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:59 | 2427823 robobbob
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probably no funding until he can show how many people he can put on the street.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:55 | 2427337 Dubious Maximus
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Betcha his private porn collection on his computer is only black chicks

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:04 | 2427419 loveyajimbo
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How about this?  Let's give up our support of Israel and withdraw all of our troops form all middle east countries.  Let's drop the sanctions and mind our own business.  Let's let france or germany be the world policemen for a decade or two.  Let's suspend all foreign aid for a decade.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:24 | 2427604 Colonial Intent
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you sound like some kind of nationalist, not a socialist are you?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:36 | 2427998 fajensen
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How about them Intel CPU's being designed in Haifa? You want to go back to using steampunk MOS-Circuitry to distribute your wise insights or buy Chinese chips (with god only knows what extra functionality designed into them).

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:05 | 2427424 Missiondweller
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I'm sickened by what I'm reading here.

 

As a German American who has been to Aushwitz and Berkenau, and has walked through one of the original gas chambers and seen some of the remaining ovens/crematoriums.

 

It doesn't matter if it was 5 million or 6 million. These people we not all bankers.

 

The lack of jews in Europe today is evidence enough of what happened given that there were hundreds of thousands before the war.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:40 | 2427707 Centurion9.41
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BS.  The numbers and truth DO matter.  Otherwise they died for a lie.

The fact is if you go to any grade school or high-school in the west the kids will tell you that 6 million Jews were killed in ovens and gas chambers.  They are ignorant of the truth of the ideologies of what were truly at work.

Worse than that, the very freedom of speech American's enjoy does NOT exist in Europe.  Rather than win though the truth, they choose to join the Nazi's and suppress truths and perpetuate "big brother" type stories to achieve their desired goals and view of the truth.

The Nazi ideology will never be fully defeated, and the horrors done to the Jews and all the other peoples and groups will never be fully believed until political lies are shown under the light of truth.

If you want to truly honor those who died on the ground you walked you have to honor the FULL truth, not just what fits your desired beliefs.

In the end, you are joining the Nazi's in perpetuating lies and hatred against truth.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:28 | 2427642 CustomersMan
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   The 6 million figure was out and talked about years before the second World War, before anytrhing happened.

 

   The Jews needed a figure so large, as to outweigh the responsibilities they had for killing Jesus Christ. This they would use to beat the catholics and others who held them responsible for his death and escape any further responsibility, since their "Holocaust" would now supposedly outweigh their push for the death of Jesus 2,000 years ago.

 

   This was the strategy. In addition the leaders of Zionism, wanted to force as many Jews as possible to seek residence in Palestine after the War. In fact there is evidence they cooperated with Hiltler, allowing many Jews to be killed, so that they could get a country, from which to fully exploit those policies ( like Fractional Reserve Banking) that can better be put forth as a nation state. They didn't like being thrown out of country after country, for thousands of years, for their alleged treachery and acts against the general population.

 

Currently, Israel does NOT have defined borders, does Not have a Constitution, and does Not treat all its citizens as equals. These points / features, define a state.

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:31 | 2427655 billsykes
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I wonder why he didn't mention the 20 million or so Russians that were killed in camps under stalin or robert mcnamara's admission that he intentionally killed 100,000 civilians with their firebombing of japan. 

But no its oooooh the holocost ooooooh they got a country out of it. OOOOOHH it was over 60 years ago.

They play the game very well.

 

And everyone freaks out, like it has never happened in history that when a country fails the sheep turn to something radically different like socialism or dictatorship or fascism.

 

 

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:54 | 2427754 robobbob
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Sixty years later, history starts to rhyme once again.

recap for any who have been afflicted with public edumacation

long before coming to power, nazis had penetrated all levels of the government. when the time came, the bureaucracy stood ready to impliment their plans. any remaining resistors were quickly silenced or removed

The nazis arrived at power through (mostly) legitimate democratic means, though they never received a majority vote.  Captialists from Germany, and yes Wall St, London, and neighboring countries supplied desperately needed cash in their hour of need to push them over the top. The largest political party made a deal thinking that they could manage Hitler and eventually his influence would subside.

Almost everything the nazis did was legal, under their laws. They went to painstaking lengths to assure that. Even if it meant replacing as many politicians and judges as required until they could get the answers they wanted. Its absurd to read about a regime that murdered millions, going to extreme lengths to silence witnesses or critics of corruption, bribery, minor assasinations or false flag events. They even had to create a parallel court system (people courts) when regular judges refused to go along with their farce of a legal system.

contrary to revised history, the nazi party twenty five points platform(less historic and geographic references) reads like a marxists/socialist/central planners dream. And no, they weren't just electioneering. Some items were sacrificed for practicality, expediancy, or changing circumstances, most were pursued within the limits of their ability. public housing, public healthcare, public education, workers rights, works programs, publically administered unionization, stable pricing and price supports, redistribution of farmland, replacing private competition with gov sponsored cartels, subsidized cultural events and vacations, gov funded car production, forced community service...on and on..

Hope and change is never more dangerous then when people willingly suspend disbelief and never rationally think about the question of how.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:08 | 2427872 CustomersMan
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Then of course there is the fact that NAZI Germany set-up its oun banking system outside the control of London's Rothschild's, apart from the Central Banks, the FED and showed the world that it could build a country from nothing in 12 tears to challenge the world, no small feat, and it worked.

 

This alone would be enough to vilify the Germans for eternity.

 

If we issued our own currency, we could save approximately 46%, by eliminating the debt service and other costs (theft).

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:28 | 2427973 Fascist Dictator
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Wow, I didn't realize how many NAZI LOVING SCUMBAGS are on this site. All of you anti-semites can go die a long, slow, painful death while being porked in the ass by your Muslim supporters. I hope you all enjoy your Khalifa, death is too good for you.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:43 | 2428059 FranSix
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At least this never gets old:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K08akOt2kuo


Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:45 | 2428071 moneymutt
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Always the ones that hate Jews, the ones that  join clubs to hate Jew, are the same ones that deny some other people hated Jews so much they got together and killed them.

Your existance as a Jew hater proves that such a thing as holocaust could easily happen.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:45 | 2428317 Centurion9.41
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I can think of no single topic than this one to reveal the depth of ignorance and emotion that will create another rhyme of horror in the history of man than this one.

At least I think everyone can agree this guy is bad news.

The bad news for the rest of us, Greece is being treated like Germany after WWI.  Like the German's of the 1930s & 40s, they too are human.  I'm afraid the lessons of what can happen between men in such situations has lost its immediacy.

The fact it is the German's who are the front men for the machination's of the cabal behind all, is a tragic irony that simply could simply not be made up by Hollywood.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:16 | 2428449 VonManstein
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To be honest.. he wasnt so bad.. i would never voite for him, but he does make a good case, especially his philosophy that "war is crimes" and so war crimes are just acts of war.. and i agree with his view tha dresden and all the bombing of cities was a war crime of a similar magnitude... interesting to listen to new voices.. but still, i would not vote for this pleb

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:29 | 2428517 walcott
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After watching this video again, its total psyop bullshit. Nice charlie chaplian dictator logo and the plaster flea

market eagle.  This fake video frames the perfect excuse to invade another country with no national defense.

Just say that greece has gone nazi then invade them and kill their entire population.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:32 | 2428545 billsykes
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at least the skinheads will be able to get a nice tan and go someplace warm.  zinc heil! for fair skin.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 17:36 | 2429087 El
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Why does American media refuse to ask hard & direct questions of our politicians? The differences between Greek media (or whomever that was) and our media are glaring.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 18:35 | 2429308 SimonSays79
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There is also a petition against Google to suspend their blogs from their platform: http://www.change.org/petitions/google-suspend-the-official-greek-nazi-party-blogs-on-blogger#

In addition to being nutty and hateful they were recently suspended by wordpress after making threats of violence against a journalist.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 18:49 | 2429365 nicxios
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You know what happens to Greek journalists these days? They're afraid to go out in public because they get cursed and spat on. One even was attacked (http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2012/05/10/skai-tv-journalist-beaten-up-in-downtown-athens/ ) Yellow journalism indeed, and the citizens are fed up with them. Jews and the holocaust on the eve of economic destruction...what a fucking yellow journalist clown!

The socialists and the establishment are afraid of this guy, not because he's a nazi-friendly/jew-hating(which alot of these hypocrites are!), but because he's going to fuck up their crooked game.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 01:08 | 2777641 Usura
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If you want to read up on the holocaust debate there are several sites devoted to this topic alone.  Here is a controversial one: The Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust.

http://codoh.com/

 

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!