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Greek Neo-Nazi Party Surges To Third In Polls, As Anti-Bailout Syriza Back On Top
While there is still some debate whether the proper alternative nomenclature of the Greek ultranationalist party Golden Dawn is "neo-nazi", there is no debate that the party, which is a manifestation of every broken Greek hope and dream, after posting a shocking result in the recent Greek parliamentary election which saw it coming in fifth and entering parliament after, continues to soar in popularity and is now the third most popular party in Greece with 12% of the vote. Above it are only two other parties: the conservative New Democracy which won the June elections with 29.6% of the vote, which is now down to 28%, and on top, in an ominous development for EUR-bulls, is the anti-bailout and anti-memorandum leftist coalition Syriza, which has threatened to end the bailout, and effectively to take Greece out of the Eurozone, setting off the much dreaded dominoes.
From the WSJ:
Greece's anti-bailout leftist Syriza party would win if elections were held today, while ultranationalists Golden Dawn would become the third-largest party in parliament, a poll showed Friday.
According to a survey prepared by VPRC polling agency and published in Ellada Avrio newspaper, the opposition Syriza party would garner 30% of the vote, while conservatives New Democracy--who lead the coalition government--got 28% of the support.
New Democracy is the major partner in Greece's coalition government together with two center-left junior partners, the Socialist Pasok and smaller Democratic Left parties. The conservative party won Greece's mid-June elections after getting 29.6% of the ballots leading the radical-left Syriza party by three percentage points.
The ultraright, nationalist Golden Dawn, which was elected to the parliament for the first time during the last elections, would receive 12% of ballots and move up from being the fifth-largest party.
Backing for the two junior-coalition partners dropped further. Socialists Pasok are supported by 7.5% of respondents, among the lowest levels seen by the party since being established in 1974. Greece's small Democratic Left party saw its popularity drop to 4%, versus 6.3% at the latest national polls.
The survey conducted Sep. 4-5 with 1,000 respondents, found that 76% of Greeks believe the country is heading in the wrong direction, while 86% aren't satisfied with the coalition government's performance.
And while unpolled, we are confident that the question of whether Greece should remain in the Euro, paradoxically the cause, and solution to all of Greece's problems depending on who's talking, would have received the support of the vast majority. Because "only in Europe."
But most importantly: keep track of the rise of the ultranationalists, not only in Greece, but everywhere else. Because for Europe, that development, too, is a case of very distinct deja vu.
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Surely the re-exertion of national sovereigns and currencies will lead to political nationalism?
This doesn't necessarily mean fascism will result though, whereas, in the US ...
Check out what the "Fascist Populists" in Hungary are doing.
They have thrown out and plowed under Mosanto, given the IMF the "signal finger" and enacted a financial transaction, "Tobin" tax on central (and other) banks.
Go Hungary, the new Iceland!
http://theautomaticearth.com/Finance/hungary-throws-out-monsanto-and-the-imf.html
I bet they don't do (insert national secret service)FB either.
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/8647/tsirpasxgdftw0hedge.jpg
The XGD will set Greece free.
Any of these fucking bankers ever think of what is going to happen in the USA when all these retired government workers realize their retirement check isn’t worth shit?
And all the food stamp 85 IQ mother fuckers that will be starving soon?
Those mother fuckers at the NY Fed better be moving that gold to Montana.
the tungsten bars?
i'm sorry but that symbol is a laughable excuse for a swastika. The thing looks more confusing than anything. The passive blue and gold color scheme, combined with that overly right-angled corn maze appears to be a crop circle dropped by drunken aliens.
Surely, whoever is steering this misled group of misfits could have come up with a better logo.
Admitedly I haven't followed this too closely, but are they pushing the whole 'racial purity' thing? Because a confusing mix of balkan / albanian / yugoslav (Armenian? Turkish?) lineage lends quite a bit to the confusion.
just fucking sayin.
(friggin financial elite couldn't even get their hegelian 'reaction' stage right with this one..)
nobody cares about your thoughts on the pseudo-swastika.
my dog thinks greece's people need to free themselves from the slavery-union.
Montana is the last place the banksters would ever move their gold. The safest place for bankster gold is right smack dab in the middle of that Orwellian nightmare known as NYC.
Greece's anti-bailout leftist Syriza party would win if elections were held today, while ultranationalists Golden Dawn would become the third-largest party in parliament, a poll showed Friday.
Figures WSJ would get this backwords, right not left. Who owns the WSJ?
This article is about the Greek right-wing extremist group. For film of 1930, see Golden Dawn (film). For historical organization of the late 19th century, see Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.
Golden Dawn (Greek: ????? ????, Chrysi Avgi, Greek pronunciation: [xri?si av??i])[note 1] is a right-wing extremist[8] political organization in Greece. It is led by Nikolaos Michaloliakos and has grown exponentially since its inception to a widely known Greek political party with nationwide support.
Scholars and media describe it as neo-Nazi[7][9] and fascist[10] although the group rejects these labels.
The party ran a campaign during the Greek national elections of 2012 based on concerns for unemployment, austerity and the economy, as well as virulent anti-immigration rhetoric, which gained a large increase in support from the Greek electorate.[16] It received seven percent of the popular vote, enough for the party to enter the Hellenic Parliament for the first time with 21 seats.[17] Following a second election in June, this was reduced slightly to 18 seats.
Update yourself here and beware the bias of the writers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)
The party states its logo is a traditional Greek meander, not a Nazi symbol.
Meanders are common decorative elements in Greek and Roman art. In ancient Greece they appear in many architectural friezes, and in bands on the pottery of ancient Greece from the Geometric Period onwards. The design is common to the present-day in classicizing architecture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meander_(art)
Why are Ron Paul supporters the only ones who are able to see the forest through the trees. The media are bullshit whores. All of them.
For some reason the links I gave got broken. Google to get the working ones.
Greek art of their symbol;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Reveller_courtesan_BM_E44.jpg
News Corp of hacking fame owns the WSJ.
The world is full of small minded unsuccessful people who will always hate and blame the Jews.
What else is new?
There is not one post since before your one so far saying the word Jew in it?
Do a find search.
The Jews viciously look out for the Tribal interest while pretending to Universalism. Would that Whites did the same...minus the Universalist crap.
There is hope, at least one place on this planet.
Fascism is always the Wave of the Future. This time, it's going to be even more compassionate than before.
Greece can still pull an "Iceland," and refuse to bail out its domestic banks, which the ECB/IMF/ESM monies it is receiving are largely being used for as is (bailing out global banks having exposure to all things Greece or derivative of Greece), opting out of the EU and going its own, free way still.
I have more than a hypothesis that those pushing hardest for ECB (and German) bailouts of the PIIGS+France are multinational banking entities bestowed with TBTF status by key central fractional reserve banks, such as Goldman, Barclays & JP Morgan, et al., as they have much expsosure to PIIGS-France liabilities, and see a rising risk of massive losses should the ECB (via Germany) not bail out the PIIGS, or should the PIIGS decide to split from the EU (essentially pulling an Iceland and telling foreign creditors to piss up a rope).
A return to the drachma might be the less damaging of the two choices as between staying in the EU and being extended the "privilege" of using euros, or going Icelandic.
I'd go much further, and argue that the people of Greece will never be economically free again, with the ability to pursue independent, debt-free lives, unless they opt out of the EU.
This will soon become abundantly clear for Spaniards and Italians, as well.
Your hypothesis is no longer. It is a fact. From the last bailout money of 125 bilion euros, Greece only took 15 billion. The rest went to service the interest and the roll over.
One would like to believe, assuming rationality is still possible, that someone- anyone- in Greece or the other deeply indebted "sovereign" nations in the EU, would drive this critical & fundamental fact home to their fellow citizens, so they could realize how badly they are being raped by the banking/financial cartel.
Fear not fellow ZH followers, for God came to me last night and spoke of his grand plan. He said that one day Gen-Y would rise to the challenge and deliver us from austerity, despair, and helpessness...that a Gen-Y prodigy would emerge from the crowd and create a new following, heralding a new era, and that he would write an App which will cure all our financial ills and deliver us to salvation.
God also went on to say, that his previous message, to CJ Bolland, was misinterpreted and what he really said was that Gold and Silver won't rot at all, that he shoud write a song for all to buy shit-loads of PMs, just in case he's wrong...he also confessed that he wasn't really an Isrealite; that he only said he was because it created so much entertainment for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNa9peGEKIU&feature=related
COME WITH ME!
Well Moses was found in the bullrushes ...
I guess it's only proper that gen-Y Moses be found in the bullshit ...
Makes sense to me. In this Bizarro World....the Communist makes the most sense. Its seems to me he is the only guy that understands free market economics......all the other parties are zombied bureaucrats.
Nationalists without irredentism are insincere in the first place.
While all of the anarchists and libertarians dream of a world with little or no government, the reality is that this is what happens when the working poor and the unemployed are told to go fuck themselves.
Yup. It looks like history is "rimming" again. Kind of scary!
Maybe when the poor are told to fuck themselves they will learn how to make a living and not sponge off others, or starve, either one is okay with me.
Those below the top are always told to "go fuck themselves" regardless, thus your statement is irrelevant. It wouldn't matter what system, economic or political is used.
Wrong. If the masses have basic health care, education, etc., they let the more productive/motivated carry on and prosper. But the greediest and most selfish among us always seem to ruin it and then there are world wars etc.
"But the greediest and most selfish among us always seem to ruin it and then there are world wars etc."
The greediest and most selfish among us are very close to government power. I don't see too many bakers, mechanics and electricians starting world wars.
Yes yes we need more goverenment power to control government power.
The Uber-Liberal California Solution!
I thought we were making progress with you...
So what part of the last 40 years suggests larger governments have increased prosperity?
where do you see me advocating larger government?
Probably this statement that you just posted...
"While all of the anarchists and libertarians dream of a world with little or no government, the reality is that this is what happens when the working poor and the unemployed are told to go fuck themselves."
I've said over and over that government is currently too large. You mistake my desire for more limited government, with what all of the ideological anarchists and libertarians desire (little or no government). But I understand your inability to understand because my thinking is not black and white like yours.
You're attempt to place the blame on libertarians for this current state of affairs is sad and pathetic.
Do you have voices in your head? I don't blame libertarians for the current state of affairs. I disagree that they have the solution.
That's weird, because I read something similar to this a moment ago:
"While all of the anarchists and libertarians dream of a world with little or no government, the reality is that this is what happens when the working poor and the unemployed are told to go fuck themselves."
Here you are implying that limited government is the problem with the current state of affairs. If that's not the case, then you need to word it a little differently.
Yes, and the limited govt you scream about is exactly what Libertarians propose.
Quit talking in circles.
It's difficult to understand what you're advocating because you spend all your time criticizing other posters ideas and solutions, yet you offer none yourself.
That is completely false. I consisently and repeatedly advocate for smaller government but one with specific priorities you would consider socialist. I have had many lengthy exchanges with posters here about my proposed solutions. But go ahead and do exactly what you are (falsely) accusing me of doing.
You can spin it however you want, but the reality is, if you added up all the crap you wanted government to do (in your fairytale world where government is always benevolent) it would pretty much be the size it is now.
I just want the county traffic court to go away for the next week.
Which revenue generating source are they naming you...seat belt or speeding?
Pretty sure government(s) and their agents are the ones telling them to go fuck themselves here LTER.
Brussels was pretty adamant about Greek citizens and "their voting rights"...whatever happened tp Papandreou ;-)
The oligarchs who control the government told them to go fuck themselves. You always miss that distinction and you always assume incorrectly that the oligarchs need elected government to control the masses. History says otherwise.
So, if these oligarchs are always (have always) controled government, why do you constantly turn to it (and them) for relief?
They will always try to gain control. Without elected government, they will not have to. All of human history shows that they take control by force if there is no elected government to keep them in check. The trick is real regulation and accountability, which I believe is achievable.
Why do you keep saying elected government as if that makes a difference?
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I think LTER's head just exploded ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H4prE95LE0
Regulation of banksters? Try castration and decapitation. I do believe in reasonable regulations for these processes so that pain is maximized and minors are not traumatized.
You keep thinking Rand and soon you will become a Libertarian. Without over powering governments to enforce their will, the Oligarchs are a lot less dangerous.
Greece fire!
So, like the nebulus "change" symbolism, are we to assume the olive branches here represent peace or victory?
Whoever offers another path forward will gain in the polls. No matter where that path leads...
How long will the American youth take it?
The drop is because so many young adults, aged 16 to 24, are no longer looking for work.
There were 453,000 fewer young adults with jobs in August than in July. But despite that plunge, only 27,000 more young people were looking for new jobs. Most apparently stopped looking and left the labor force. And those numbers take into account seasonal factors such as younger workers returning to school.https://miningstockvaluator.com/news.php?id=81
Thanks for that report from the jew supremacist WSJ!
Hhaaah haah, made ya read it. Now you're a Jew tooOOOoo.
Nayner-nayner-nyey-nyey :-P
Fuck off and die, Nazi filth.
Andy Lewis, one of Jerry's Kids.
And "thanks" for all that you do to make Zerohedge what it never was and never had to be.
At the moment, you're running a 9-2 up/down, so you have like-minded brothers here. I wonder what you all would think, and do, if you knew Tyler (and even Marla) are Jooooooooooos?
Can't you read-jew supremacists and jews aren't necessarily the same thing.
Whatever Jude.
Beyond the actual letters on the screen is the pathetic necessity you felt to mention Jews, entirely off topic except in your personal frame of reference.
Tyler alludes to Nazism, and you can't let it pass without a dig at Judaism, via the WSJ?
Well, no shit - but you're full of it.
Military Coup Time!
"I hate Illinois Golden Dawns"......hmm, meh, doesn't have the Reich ring to it.
So no, this is not the nomenclature you are looking for.
I love Delta Dawns.
Divide and conquer.
I'm not sure who expected virgins in white robes skipping through the Parthenon tossing rose petals.
25% unemployment and growing.
A recession without forseeable end.
No ability to devalue the currency.
Coming soon to a Spanish theater near you ...
'third most popular' is kind of overshadowed by '12% of vote' (only) but still...
12% of vote + the other 45% of the populace that never 'voted' in the first place
12%?? Yip yip. Ross Perot did better than that back in the 90s and it still didn't get him anywhere. Wake me up when someone reaches 50%.
Long live Europe. Arrest the banksters and throw them into prisons.
Neo-Nazi party (Wow) and no one makes the connection between the Jewish Banking cartel that has ruined and raped the world to save their tribe running the corrupt banking charade and this movement?
Talk to Hedda Mydick, she'll explain it all.
Yecch. Seems you refine the term girlie-man.
Civil War seems inevitable.
Oh just great, as if the whole global banking thing is not a major excuse for the fascist boneheads to start the slaughter call of 2012 against the EU and blame the jews again, right when all of the islamic countries around Israel have been stoked with more hate for Israel and Israel is about to strike Iran, and Syria is now a runway, at the same time the American DNC Party of POTUS is rejecting Israel and Jerusalem and aborting God. I mean come on, can it get much worse? What the hell is next? ...German New World Order Nazis? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oreSVIC7DhE&feature=related ...looks like it.
Is there a difference, really, between these freaks and the Novus Ordo Seclorum shitheads of the Fed Fiat Debt Note (g)od of the Suicide Vampire Squid of the Great Wal Mart of China? Hell no... They are all nuts.
This is of course prophetic. All the nations are filled with the wine of wrath and Israel and Jerusalem are U.N. Targets for the prophetic false peace. The slow train wreck is over, things are going to happen real quick now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbhvZ2y1V80&feature=related
How pathetic all these assholes are. Here humanity sits in 2012 with a transhuman biotech quantum petaflop algo nova shouting out ''danger Will Robinson'' and these freaks are still such fools they mean to destroy all flesh, be it race religion or nationality, as we are at the tipping point of losing our collective humanity to ZARDOZ. LMAO. What a bunch of dumbasses.
You're this deeply confused, and yet others are the "dumbasses"?
Any more comic relief from you?
...it is not possible for me to object to anyone called ArrestBobRubin. I tried, but it didn't work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMqT7UCFyWY
ZARDOZ??? You mean Wizard of Oz?
Holy mother of Christ!!!!! The Asian markets are tanking!!!!!!!! Fucking sell whikle there is a market!!!!!
SELL! SELL! SELL!
Asia is bailing and Europe will within hours!!!!
Oh my! Get OUT NOW!
All Greek debts must be forgiven in celebration of anal sex
Many the sheep be with you!
Nazi tickled an adword...I get two Obama ads. Hmmmm....
And two MORE on the refresh.
Same thing here. I get the "Dinner with Hitler", errr "Dinner with Obama" ad.
Ahhhh... dirty up my cookies a bit and I get "Fitness Singles" (nice ass) and Chinese girls for marriage. Fucking with Adsense is getting my jollies now? Fuck I need to get out more.
No rest for the wicked, and the righteous don't need it.
Arbeit macht frei.
Ju vork for zeee state, nein self. Ju vill be fed and clothed properly. Forvarwd Cumrade!!!
Da.
Its depressing sometimes, until you meet kindred spirits.
I will make what I want, when I want, with whatever I want, under obligation to no one.
WTF - SOS (same ole shitski)
...doing GOD's work...GS-DickinDaMuppets
I bet the Jew bankers are shitting their pants. Good. And good on the Golden Dawn. Sadly, I can't really see the Ron Paul Revolution getting anywhere close to what Fascist parties are achieving in Europe.
DEUS VULT
I'm guessing abject failure at life, but obviously somebody's fault other than your own.
Close? Yeah, I know. It's a gift. I just know these things.
By the way, you do Ron Paul proud with that attitude.
Jamie Dimon, Tim Geithner, Vikram Pandit, John Mack, Angelo Mozilo, Kerry Killinger, Mario Draghi....name that Jew?
Trick Question!
I was expecting a lot more out of Ron Paul than what I got. The biggest disappointment wasn't the establishment screwing Ron Paul, it was the fact that his people at the convention did nothing but cry foul and then go home all the while his gutless son endorses a scumbag. Yeah, I sure feel swindled out of my donation money. They could have at least thrown a few punches for fuck's sake. But nothing. I feel betrayed, to be honest. Meanwhile, Golden Dawn is making good things happen while the Shabbos Goyim like yourself cringe.
You know, it's not totally crazy for Libertarians and Conservatives to work with the so-called "far right". There are many things, even in the US that need to be undone. And it is clear from the Ron Paul campaign that we will not achieve success without following a model similar to Golden Dawn. They have their own militia, they are out on the streets providing security, helping old ladies across the street, feeding and clothing the poor.
It's about winning hearts and minds. They behave like boy scouts and then like fascists street fighting when they need to. This is an ideal model.
This was the strategy that the Muslem Brotherhood used in Egypt for decades and it got them into power today.
I think if there were an organization like Golden Dawn in the US, many of us would get involved. It's a tried and true strategy and I think it's time to put the boots on and lace 'em up.
These may be parties in Greece but what’s at stake is not party politics; it’s survival. And for the masses unemployed, the businessmen cheated and miserable, and the families hungry for some resolution, the Greeks are learning what Americans need to learn fast. The enemy is the Simon Legree investment banker who would take the food off their table and steal their country for profit.
It is these big investment bankers who own the currencies that are at the source of all topics today: talk presidential elections they are there; talk inflation they are there; talk rising food prices and unemployment, they’re there; they’re there in immigration; talk war and loss of sovereignty, they’re there; talk medical costs and pharmaceutical insurance and they’re there. These top, incredible criminals are the fundamental elephant in the room.
Their Debt Ponzi is now out in the opening and heading for a solution. First, it breaks and shows who they are, as is happening now in Europe; then it becomes clear that it is the bankers versus the people – now being played out in Germany, IMO.
As anyone with any education leaves Greece, and only the ignorant remain, we should expect to see fringe parties become ever more popular.
Golden Dawn seems to be a temporary solution to a limited set of problems. Take immigration for instance.
Did you know that in Greece every immigrant has true full medical coverage, more than Greek citizens?! I'm not sure if this extends to illegal immigrants, yet I wouldn't be surprised if it does.
This abomination was shown to me with the experience of my friend and the birth of his son in 2011. He is a firefigher employed by the state for over 9 years now, and has "full" IKA (National Health Insurance). His wife gave birth normally, and the hospital handed him a bill of 2.200 euros. In the same hospital room was an Albanian couple, the wife having given birth the same day in the same manner. The bill for them was 0. All expenses paid by the state via the suckers.
Episodes like this help to explain the rising popularity of Golden Dawn.
Yet because they offer solutions to a limited set of problems, I don't see them gaining much more traction. Of course, predictions are futile as the human mind can draw a large circle and include the future in it, but there are dark spots called chance. What if the communists hiding under the skirt of SYRIZA take over? And inevitably fuxation goes up by a factor of 10...who knows what the future will hold then...
Temporary solution? lol Yeah watch them when they gain power and the problem for illegal immigration is over what they would do... Would they let their power and give it to someone else? Personally i see them gaining a lot of power study some history not only Alexander the Great and learn what people who strive for power do.Do you remember what Golden dawn used to do when they were no illegal immigrants? they used to plant bomds in cinema trageting Greek people.As for the communists hiding under the skirt of Syriza in a sense your are right but the same ammount of ultranationalists are also hiding under the skirt of the conservatives which are called new Democracy and they are the rulling party right now. So the matrix of Greek politics is much more complicated imo
What you are seeing here is the result of Europeans and their diaspora getting their backs pushed against the wall from things like feminism, multiculturalism, marxism, and the rest of the hostile-to-the-native-people 'isms'. Look at Sweden. Once the group of people that caused all before them to shit their pants and they raided and explored, their men are now emasculated pussies and their women run the show with their immigrant lovers.
It took an economic collapse for people to come around out of their decadence, but it is happening. Golden Dawn and all such movements are a New European Renaissance. And this European Renaissance will spread to its diaspora, like the USA, Canada, Austrialia, and so on.