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Greek Police Threaten IMF Arrests Due To "Austerity Demands"

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As the headlines from Europe become more and more realistic (and ironically more and more Onion-worthy), Reuters notes one of the more interesting examples of just how the Greek people are feeling. The Federation of Greek Police have accused EU/IMF officials, in a formal letter, of "...blackmail, covertly abolishing or eroding democracy and national sovereignty". While violence erupts among the largely unemployed youth, the supposedly 'grown-up and responsible' segment of the Greek society, which for now at least appears not to be on strike, is recognizing the wholesale destruction of their society (as 22% cuts in minimum wage for instance are thrust upon them). The Greek police, who have stood against the protesters and done their jobs facing threats and anger, are seemingly expressing solidarity with the antagonists as they call out ECB, European Commission, and IMF leaders for their destructive policies. At what point do the police throw down their riot shields and follow the Greek people into their 'Bastille'?

 

Reuters: Greek Police Union Wants To Arrest EU/IMF Officials

Feb 10 (Reuters) - Greece's largest police union has threatened to issue arrest warrants for officials from the country's European Union and International Monetary Fund lenders for demanding deeply unpopular austerity measures.

In a letter obtained by Reuters on Friday, the Federation of Greek Police accused the officials of "...blackmail, covertly abolishing or eroding democracy and national sovereignty" and said one target of its warrants would be the IMF's top official for Greece, Poul Thomsen.

The threat is largely symbolic since legal experts say a judge must first authorize such warrants, but it shows the depth of anger against foreign lenders who have demanded drastic wage and pension cuts in exchange for funds to keep Greece afloat.

"Since you are continuing this destructive policy, we warn you that you cannot make us fight against our brothers. We refuse to stand against our parents, our brothers, our children or any citizen who protests and demands a change of policy," said the union, which represents more than two-thirds of Greek policemen.

"We warn you that as legal representatives of Greek policemen, we will issue arrest warrants for a series of legal violations ... such as blackmail, covertly abolishing or eroding democracy and national sovereignty."

The letter was also addressed to the European Central Bank's mission chief in Greece, Klaus Masuch, and the former European Commission chief inspector for Greece, Servaas Deroose.

Policemen have borne the brunt of the anger of massed protesters who frequently march to parliament and clash with police in riot gear. Chants of "Cops, pigs, murderers!" are regularly hurled at policemen or scribbled on walls.

Thousands turned out on Friday for the latest protest in Athens, this time against new austerity measures that include a 22 percent cut in the minimum wage.

A police union official said the threat to 'refuse to stand against' fellow Greeks was a symbolic expression of solidarity and did not mean police would halt their efforts to stop protests getting out of hand.

 

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Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:12 | 2145477 Dreadker
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The police should just down tools and walk away.... They're just victims of their incompetent greedy corrupt government who are happy to enslave their fellow countrymen with debt....  It will come to that eventually, so they're only delaying the inevitable...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:19 | 2145520 Clueless Economist
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screw the Greeks.  They have been living a lavish existance for decades on credit.  Well isn't it a bitch when the bill finally comes due?

lazy SOB's

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:21 | 2145531 Rip van Wrinkle
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Hate to tell ya but the Greeks have the longest average working week in Europe - 42 hours. As I understand, the average in the US is below 35.

 

Lazy f**kers!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:37 | 2145611 Ruffcut
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A friend of mine is not even 50 yet, retired from macomb county sheriff dept at near 60k a year and beneys. Average hours of work, HEDGED AT ZERO.

Now that is sustainability in action.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:48 | 2145666 HoofHearted
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Shit's getting real...

...anybody have those scenes of blowing up Parliament from the end of "V for Vendetta" in mind?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:03 | 2145738 Comay Mierda
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Greece is the most important country in the world right now. Ground zero for a banker takeover. Stand united, Greeks. Dont take shit. Follow Iceland's example

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:34 | 2145859 pods
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Is that Tchaikovsky I hear?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:06 | 2146009 The Big Ching-aso
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Greeks march together elbow to butts

To tell IMF honchos to stuff their cuts

Gyros and vacays won't mix well

For Bavarian fatties sunbathing in G-string smells

For the populace is testy and quite appalled

That Europe is treating them like a bathroom stall 

 

 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:33 | 2146151 JW n FL
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Greek Police have accused EU/IMF officials, in a formal letter, of "...blackmail, covertly abolishing or eroding democracy and national sovereignty".

The Top 1% of the Top 1% NEVER! LEARN!!

Their Greed Over Rides ANY! Logic that they may Possess!

The end is coming..

But Coupled with the Ignorance and Laziness of the Sheepeople.. The Very Rich may back track.. thusly dragging the process out..

But once again? why? would they??

The ONLY! Reason that ALL! of this information is Available NOW!!

Is becuase they wantit avaiable!

So if they want the Truck Loads of Information Available?

and everyone with half a Brain KNOWS! that is will eventualy cause civil unrest..

then the real question is and always has been..

why do the VERY RICH? want people killing other people in the Street ALL AROUND THE WORLD??

which takes us back to the fact that the WORLD! is Hooked on CHEAP OIL!

and there is a limited supply of CHEAP! OIL!!

Lots of Oil!

NOT! Lots of CHEAP OIL!!

I dont know how else I can say this... how many different ways can I communicate this idea theu the use of words.

when will everyone GRASP the FACTS?

The Jews! dont control shit! they are accountants for the WASP, Blue Blooded Fucking Rulers of the World!

The Forbes 400 List is NOT! the top 400 Richest People in the World.. those Fuckers dont even Rank in the Top 5,000! maybe 10,000!! go ahead..make me prove it.

Even here.. in ZeroHedge.. the covnersations drift so very far and very fast away from the FACTS! becuase no one likes them and everyone knows better than to discuss them in public.

stop being a coward.

join the fight, really join the fight!

fucking cocktal hour slaves are the WORST! to suffer!

 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:53 | 2146276 Hugh_Jorgan
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Oh well!!!!

FACT: we all eventually pay for the corruption and welcome deceptions that we tolerate from our "elected" officials.

You don't have to like it, but you DO have to accept it, it's called REALITY. Time to man-up and quit sniveling.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:20 | 2146089 Whiner
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1812 Overture should be directed at their own damn politicians and The Squid who help jigger their books to gain entry to UROZ then borrow to pay for lavish govt perks. Just default already ala Argentina. You will feel better in a year or two, three at the most. But first con IMF out of €30-40B, then bankrupt!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:52 | 2145690 Chuck Norris
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Yea maybe but that's $60k in federal reserve notes.  Soon that won't buy much.   If anything...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:36 | 2145867 RichardENixon
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That's the plan, Chuck.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:20 | 2145799 gunsmoke011
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I suppose it all gets down to how you define "Work". Haven't spent a lot of time in Greece - but the month or so I have spent there did not leave me with the impression that their work is the same as our work -- our being U.S.

I suppose if you count 3 hour lunch breaks sitting at a sidewalk cafe' sipping coffee or wine and people watching as work - then I guess it is possible.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 17:12 | 2147610 Mutatto
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"Hate to tell ya but the Greeks have the longest average working week in Europe - 42 hours."

 

....and the data coming out of Greece, provided by the Greeks, is surely accurate.   I get the feeling lots Greek workers are like corrupt politicians "punch in early....and often" LOL

Any Greek will gladly tell you how every OTHER Greek is "getting over" on the system. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:23 | 2145535 Au Shucks
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Looks like somebody gets their news and information from CNBC and BBC.  Look a little deeper... that is unless your comment is means to supporting your moniker?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:26 | 2145545 MillionDollarBonus_
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That is a simplistic view of the Greek situation. The Greeks didn't know about the debt. They were rightfully demanding their basic rights, like education, housing, minimum wage, holidays, paid leave and other benefits. the reason third world countries are so poor is that their governments refuse to provide these basic necessities.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:26 | 2145553 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The Greeks are terrists.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:54 | 2145700 battle axe
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You have said that about three times so far today. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:05 | 2145745 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You can read.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:08 | 2145754 battle axe
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Easy sunshine, no need to be rude.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:21 | 2145803 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You're telling me?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:44 | 2145907 garcam123
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There's a little program on most computers called spellcheck, try to find it to be more effective.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:00 | 2145977 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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What is this?  Whine, bitch, and moan day?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:26 | 2146118 Whiner
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There is a lot to whine about. Wahhhh! I want my bubble economy back. Everything go up,Mommy.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:02 | 2145987 A Lunatic
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If only they had stupid check.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:28 | 2145560 Spastica Rex
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5

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:21 | 2146412 V in PA
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4..?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:44 | 2145646 Gary Busey
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right ... and they didnt know they weren't paying their takes either

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:54 | 2146290 agent default
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The way I see it government will always spend whatever it collects from taxes, spend all of it on crap and then borrow and spend all of that too.  It doesn't really matter what they collected from taxes, if you run your finances like that you will go bankrupt sooner or latter.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:23 | 2146419 V in PA
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You nailed it. Because stolen money is much easier to spend than the money you have to work for.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:45 | 2145656 Mercury
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and lunch...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:49 | 2145675 Acet
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The anti-MDB Pavlovian conditioning is so strong that even when he (she?) comes out of character and says something sensible there still is this irresisteable impulse to go for the down arrow :)

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:34 | 2145855 joshdance
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"Paid leave" is a BASIC RIGHT?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:03 | 2145996 taniquetil
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Yup. So are flat-screen TVs and sports cars. And money. And bitches.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:43 | 2147209 Liposuction
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Apparently.

In reality a right should be something that confers no obligation on anyone else.  Breathing is a right.  Liberty is a right.  Self defense is a right.

Housing, education, medical care, food.. These are not "rights" IMO.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:35 | 2145861 bulldung
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Your "basic necessities" list leaves me LOL. You should change your name to king of Sarc.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:39 | 2145883 Count de Money
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Absolutely right! Money appearing out of nowhere! The Greeks didn't want to know where it came from. Who cares where it came from! Let's live it up before the bill comes!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:59 | 2146312 agent default
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Complacency is definitely something the Greeks were very good at.  And still are.  If you take a look at their protests, you will realize that all they are protesting is losing their benefits.  Not a word about the scamers that were borrowing and spending.  All they want is to go back to the good all days, the only reason they are rioting is because the party is over.  Never mind the details.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:10 | 2146037 TSA gropee
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Sheer elevated ignorance. Governments are supposed to provide basic necessities? Perhaps you haven't noticed the price exacted from said populace in terms of freedom from tyranny by granting such "basic necessities". Such thinking has allowed governments to expand exponentionally and well, just take a look around and smell the tyranny.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:40 | 2145604 holdbuysell
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screw the Western World.  They have been living a lavish existance for decades on credit.  Well isn't it a bitch when the bill finally comes

There. I fixed it for you.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:54 | 2145699 Eireann go Brach
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You have some nerve you fucking clueless idiot! America's unions have put America on the same path as Greece with their demands.. Work for 20 years and then retire for 50 years...police, teachers, even fucking custodial...on a long enough timeline.....

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:03 | 2145736 Slartebartfast
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You have some nerve you fucking clueless idiot! America's PUBLIC unions have put America on the same path as Greece with their demands.. Work for 20 years and then retire for 50 years...police, teachers, even fucking custodial...on a long enough timeline.....

There.  Fixed it for you.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:14 | 2145770 Bunga Bunga
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Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, Porsche, BMW  - all made by unionized workers. That's the reason why German cars were never premium cars, they are crap, nobody is buying them.

 

 

 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:39 | 2145887 Calmyourself
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I still have a choice to do business with these companies.  Public unions not so much..  Worst thing Kennedy did.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:46 | 2145920 Count de Money
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German unions are not the same. Unlike American unions, they understand that they have a stake in their companies success.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:51 | 2145943 j0nx
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Nobody is buying them?? Um perhaps you need to do some more research on your theory...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:16 | 2146743 Think for yourself
Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:10 | 2146039 ThatThatcher
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.......Erm are you for real?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:39 | 2146190 Coast Watcher
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I think he left off the /sarc tag.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:50 | 2145937 j0nx
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Don't forget about military pensions. Retire with full pension and bennies for life at 38 years old. Not a bad reward for hanging out in the rear with the gear - most of them anyway. These kinds of occupations like firemen, police, military, etc that are allowing people to retire with full bennies for life after 20 years needs to be restructured so that they can't collect until they are 65. Work your 20 and retire if you want but you won't be getting shit for retirement for at least 20 years after that. Honetly I can't believe it's been allowed to go on like this for as long as it has.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:39 | 2146181 Coast Watcher
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LOL. After 20 years a .mil member gets half his/her base pay, exclusive of add-ons, plus access to the VA health system, if that can be considered a benefit. Stay in for 30 and you get 75 percent of base pay. Used to, anyway. I hear it's being switched to a 401k-style system soon.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:37 | 2146420 moonstears
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jOnx, who's in the lead on American idol these days? This tells me you don't have a fuckin' clue as to what goes into a military career. Why didn't you devote 20 yrs, to make the big bucks? Scared? Too smart? "Gear in the rear"...fuck you, all gave some, some gave all! Keep up the highly insightful info you provide here, since you know all about it, and all.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:29 | 2146770 j0nx
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Right, right seeing as I come from an all military family and spent enough of my youth living that lifestyle to know I wanted no part of it as a career. My dad did 2 tours in Vietnam and I respect the shit out of him for that. That doesn't change the fact that he's a double dipper, ate like a pig, drank like a fish and smoked like a chimney all his life which ended up with quadruple bypass, numerous stints, diabetes and a host of other ailments all taken care of on the public dime. I consider him to be one of the biggest leaches I know. He even laughs about how much money he has coming in now. The vast majority of servicemen are however REMFs. You know it and I know it. You may not be one but in the end most are. Either way the math don't lie and the pensions and bennies are unsustainable. Everybody is ok with cutting out everyone elses pension benefits until it comes time for the axe to come down on their own ponzi pension and then they're all not me I'm special. Guess what cupcake. You aren't special. And I don't watch reality tv. Or sports. Thank you for your service, I mean that, but don't blame me or the American people for not being able to continue to sustain lifelong pensions and benefits. Blame that one on math.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:18 | 2147047 WillyGroper
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Military pensions are now being targeted as an entitlement by our CONgress. 

Perhaps my friend that did 3 combat tours in VN, doused with agent orange & now suffers from leukemia doesn't deserve his either. Thanks Dow, Monsanto & Mcnamara. The Vietnamese really did attack us in the Gulf of Tonkin-----right?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:36 | 2147024 WillyGroper
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After quitting my union in 1981, allow me to give you another perspective. There is no work for 20, retire for 50, firemen yes---governed by the state not the union at least where I live. The union allowed management to combine our pensions long ago. It has been perpetually fleeced since then. Read "Retirement Heist" on just how corporate has had the laws written to allow them to take their bonuses & stock options etc. out of the pension fund, which I might add is now 42B underfunded. This is why I'm leaving with my fiat now, although I need to work for 5 more years. They are phasing in the PPA to erode wages by the decrease in the amount of a lump sum pension, so eventually you end up working for free. If you are single & die they keep it all, plus the life insurance they've taken out on employees, nothing for heirs.  Now couple that with replacing an annual performance appraisal with a monthly walk on water (no errors) PA & you've got the formula to boot the legacy employees only to hire new ones at substantially lower wages. No age discrimination here. We must be competitive, with China. I'm not talking GM getting a paid vacation for retooling. It's a little more complex than your opinion above. Given the state government jobs that you've stated, where does the govt corruption fit in?

Oh, I forgot to mention the skimming of 401K's with the banksters nightly FX trading, ask Markopolos.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:06 | 2145750 whoisjohngalt11
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BTW ,Slavery isn't legal, not in modern society, is that what you are advocating???

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:37 | 2145869 pods
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Have you looked into how student loans work?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:30 | 2146129 tekhneek
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It's amazing that if you go to a bank and ask for 10K they'll deny you immediatey, no job, no income.

Go to a federal aid website? Here's $300,000.00 kiddo... and by the way -- Clinton fucked you on the bankruptcy part.

If you have < 20K I'd take out, or try, to take out a bank loan, pay off the student loan, then default.

That's legal, isn't it?

 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:59 | 2146646 Apocalicious
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Skip the bank loans and go straight to credit card checks/balance transfers. Bye bye student loans, fuck you banksters...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:18 | 2145789 DavidC
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Clueless Economist,
Absolutely right. Not like the US or the UK or the rest of Europe or...

DavidC

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:31 | 2145839 Marco
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On the one hand it's true ... on the other to make their economy more competitive ALL the wages have to drop, not just minimum wage and the wages tied to it.

That's why devaluation is the easiest way to tackle something like this, it's quick and hard to subvert. Taxation takes a lot of time and is almost always eroded through lobbying and corruption at the high end ... hitting only the low end.

BTW, the Greeks have lived it up on credit ... but so have a lot of other countries with trade deficits, the US not the least among them. The US just has the luxury of the reserve currency AND the size and lack of morals to sell military services on one hand and destabilizing foreign countries on the other to make the sale.

PS. devaluation means true money printing, not just decreasing interest on debt.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:49 | 2145936 Catequil
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yeah, totally agree with you!!!!! the simple truth is that they have to change their way of living, produce more and consume less. change will happen anyway. This time they cannot borrow their way out of this.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 17:28 | 2147666 MindTheGAP
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When OPEC coutnries will dump the dollar as the exchange money, then you'll be screwed far more than that. With this scam you lived far more in luxury than all the other nations have. As a multinational-multiracial country that you are, you might end up killing each other like wild beasts. I don't wish that to you, but next time it is better to think what you wish for the others.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:29 | 2145567 LongBalls
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When the police and military finally see that in the end, they are no different than the people. Things are over.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:48 | 2145669 MarketWatchTerrorist
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Historically, a military doesn't rebel, it seizes power.  Having seized power, it does not give way to liberal human rights policies and Democracy easily.

 

Hoping for the military to rebel against the Western oligarchy is a fool's hope.  Hoping they won't use their toys to murder massive numbers of civilians if those civilians get too uppity is a suicidal gamble.

 

The American military has a long track record of blindly following orders, firing on American civilians, assassinating American citizens, and killing women and children for fun in foreign lands when they think they can get away with it, which is usually.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:56 | 2146933 Cathartes Aura
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understanding this fully, allowing the truth of these words to sink in and inform actions, is some basic prep everyone should do - all the cave-supplies-list won't mean shit if they point the "mercenaries" at YOU. . .

 

The American military has a long track record of blindly following orders, firing on American civilians, assassinating American citizens, and killing women and children for fun in foreign lands when they think they can get away with it, which is usually.

 

time to get clever, get crafty, get ready.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:50 | 2145643 MarketWatchTerrorist
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Greece is as free to leave the European Union and reject its laws as California is to leave the Federal Union and reject its laws - that is to say, "not at all."  The Greek police believe they have the power, which is how they are trained and is nominally true during the normal functioning of society, but they are wrong.  If the police won't obey orders, the military will.  Greece was under military rule as recently as 40 years ago and, the way things are going, martial law will be declared and imposed on Greece within the year.

 

This is what happens when you sacrifice your sovereignty, you lose the ability to decide your own fate as a people - forever.  The American Civil War should have been a warning that rang out for a thousand years - do not so easily agree to "unions", because documents stating they can be broken are worth less than the paper they are printed on.

 

No, the Greeks are now a slave race, owned by the Technocrats in Brussels and the shadowy figures behind them and the European Union itself.  The will of the people means nothing to the elite, who will crush them mercilessly and impose their will upon them at the barrel of a gun.  Those of you who believe otherwise do so because it gives you hope that the American people can stand up to the elites successfully as well, you cannot.  And any attempt to stand up to the American police state will be met with extreme brutality.

 

You've built the most efficient death machine in human history.  You've funded the development of technology that states from Syria to Egypt to China to the U.S. and all of its allies use to spy on their entire population.  You've copyrighted the 21st century police state, and now you and your descendants have to live in it.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:36 | 2145863 Franktastic
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Or you can follow one mans idea, and oust them all...in a matter of months.

 

"Withholding payment of taxes is one of the quickest methods of overthrowing a government"
Mahatma Gandhi

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:04 | 2145992 TSA gropee
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Great post MWT, but I think for most preppers, the accumulation of defensive materials are more for unruly and morally bankrupt entitlement hordes rather than for action against law enforcement or military. No one who still has any cognitive functions left really think they stand a chance against a r1ot or tac squad. Since it would appear their new modus operandi now seems to have morphed from shoot first ask questions later, to shoot everything you have and don't bother answering questions as it really won't matter in the intermediat or long term. IMHO.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:09 | 2146026 A Lunatic
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I don't see any room for rainbows and unicorns in your scenario.....................

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 16:55 | 2147550 MindTheGAP
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It's unconstitutional to use the army againts it's people. The constitution of Greece forbids it. The army can disobey any command that would harm the interests of the citizens of Greece. Not to mention that most of the army soldier are citizens themselves that are doing their obligatory national service. Anyone political figure that would try to use the army for his person or for a foreign interest, he would end up dead.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:57 | 2145711 battle axe
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That is it, lets  stop screwing around, call out the Greek army, and all of their shiny new toys that they continue  to purchase even though their country is broke and going down the Crapper...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:41 | 2146195 ilion
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Couldn't the Greeks just call somebody for help, maybe Batman?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:13 | 2145478 falak pema
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democracy raises it brow beaten head where it was born. Ha, the irony, circle completion under Oligarchy storm.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:24 | 2145540 LowProfile
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Fuck democracy.

...I'll take a republic, thank you very much.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:32 | 2145584 DogSlime
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That's terrorist talk.

Do you have Gold or Silver?  Do you regularly express a distrust of authority?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:51 | 2145685 Mercury
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The former is more or less a subset of the later.

But yeah, democracy all by itself is morally neutral (two sheep and a wolf and all that) and is not mostly responsible for having made the USA's system of governance so exceptional for so long.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:01 | 2146323 Leopold B. Scotch
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Bullsit.  Democracy did not make the U.S. system exceptional.  What made it exceptional was the concept of protecting liberty and the indvidual's right to consent, his right to his own body, the labor thereof, and the fruits of past labor and efforts.  As that has eroded, the rot has more firmily created the dysfunctional system as it now stands.  There's a direct link betweent the erosion of a liberty-rooted Republic, and the mess in the U.S.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:03 | 2146673 Apocalicious
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Um, Leo, try reading. He said

But yeah, democracy all by itself is morally neutral (two sheep and a wolf and all that) and is not mostly responsible for having made the USA's system of governance so exceptional for so long.

 

Same thing as you... reading comprehension, dude...

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 00:38 | 2172343 Leopold B. Scotch
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Ok... egg on face.   Agreed -- I missed a word or two in his comment.  I meant well, though!

rock on, liberty!  rock on!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:44 | 2145909 323
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You'll take what you're given

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:53 | 2145696 MarketWatchTerrorist
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Watch how this plays out and be enlightened.  Democracy is dead, what remains is an illusion to placate the masses and convince them that they are being ruled via their consent.

 

Watch and learn my friend, watch and learn.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:14 | 2145481 Stuart
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and when times comes for the same in the U.S., it will be different how?

 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:20 | 2145522 oddjob
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I'd imagine the ignorant stooges that make up law enforcement will continue to choose to take orders rather than live a productive life.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:34 | 2145590 kridkrid
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For a vast majority of law enforcement, the "productive life" they would choose simply wouldn't pay as well.  If it did, they would have chosen it already.  That small fact placed on top of the programming they have received make it a near certainty that they will continue to choose to take orders, unfortunately. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:52 | 2145691 Acet
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There is a near infinite number of people willing to shaft their countrymen for a couple more crumbles from the table. It works as well for overt dictatorships as it does for the covert dictatorships that called themselves democracies.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:04 | 2145739 pepperspray
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And here is that theory in practice

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Union-money-went-for-strippers-b...

All crumbs..

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:16 | 2147037 Cathartes Aura
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I'm sure I'll get the big downvote for this, but. . .

everywhere you leave a group of men in charge of the "checkbook" you'll find they inevitably spend large portions on "strippers & booze" & drugs, vacatons and toys for each other (equipment). . . be it "unions" or military or government or banking elites or church officials - how many times does the story need to be read before the dis-illusionment, and dis-engage from believing otherwise happens?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:31 | 2145574 The trend is yo...
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differnent in the fact that in the US, 40% of the population are gun owners.  Or something to that effect

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:34 | 2145593 oddjob
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Randy Weaver had plenty of guns. They killed his family on his own property.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:39 | 2145626 kridkrid
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And with congress supporting the deployment of 30,000 drones domestically, that job will be even easier.  Good thing we have a couple of generations of youth and former youth who are good at video games.  It's a trap.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:50 | 2145680 Mr Kurtz
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Couple that video game training with desentization gained from thousands of hours glued to violent imagery and it will be tits up and game over for the rest of us. "Yes sir, no sir, three bags full of sh*t, sir, what are your orders, today sir."

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:42 | 2145900 pods
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Follows the same playbook as all the "crime dramas" on the tele where the bad guy is known, but cannot be caught unless the police bend the rules a bit.

As long as the guy is guilty, what is bending a couple of rules?

pods

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:06 | 2146008 kridkrid
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All just a part of our conditioning.  A generation raised on "24" to believe the good guys have every right to bend rules in order to catch the bad guys.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:19 | 2147054 Cathartes Aura
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the "battlefield" is always the mind, and the "war" is won in their favour at the moment the mind is trained to think in duality - "good vs. bad" is the key to slavery.

it's all in the mind, hence the battle begins so early on in each life. . .

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:27 | 2147101 WillyGroper
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And that same youth may be able to jam that drone like Iran did.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:56 | 2147266 CPL
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There are already plans in effect to remove the toy planes.

 

That's in May

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:03 | 2145733 MachoMan
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Although not particularly suitable to get him back to his prior position, randy weaver won a nice jury award for his troubles...  which is a helluva lot of money for a guy with a menstruation shed...  I think he moved into the gordon kahl area of arkansas (NW).

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:17 | 2145782 roadhazard
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Weaver was just one guy, surrounded. I would say more but I live in Amerika now.

 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:28 | 2145831 MarketWatchTerrorist
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That's a wise choice.  Even if you were utilizing methods to be anonymous online, posting anything inflammatory only serves to aid the intel/surveillance police state apparatus and hurt your own cause, whatever that may be.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:04 | 2145994 XitSam
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The ones that post online, aren't the ones they need to worry about.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:00 | 2145724 MarketWatchTerrorist
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Your Bushmaster ain't gonna save you from the American police state.  And if you dig in too deep they'll simply blow up your house with a drone, entombing you and your compatriots.

 

America has copy righted the 21st century police state, in partnership with Great Britain.  Soon high altitude, solar powered, extreme loiter timedrones will be surveilling the entire country at all times.

 

You want freedom?  Pack your bags and head to a country too poor and/or over populated to possibly maintain an Anglo style police state.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:02 | 2145735 MachoMan
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arguing from induction, I'd say it would be much more likely they would barricade you in and then set it ablaze...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:17 | 2145780 MarketWatchTerrorist
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That's too 90's.  This is post 9/11 America we're talking about.  Minor threats are met with deadly force (like an autistic teenager wielding a butter knife in Chicago last week).  Serious threats will be met with such overwhelming force as to be almost comical in scale.

 

A few militias start something and are promptly bombed by B2's, flown in from Diego Garcia (it would make too much sense to use the ones in Missouri).

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:25 | 2145819 Badabing
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They can bombard a crowd with microwave and cause pain and even death so while protesting wear your tin foil hats.

NO JOKE  http://www.mondovista.com/microwave.html

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:12 | 2146056 roadhazard
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You can blend in better in your own country. Anywhere else you are a stranger and therefore suspect.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:34 | 2145595 fredquimby
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It would have already if you didn't have a printer.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:14 | 2145482 mc_LDN
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Revolution Banksters.

Kia Kaha Greece. (Maori for Stand Strong)

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:21 | 2145525 Bob
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The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.
--Lord Acton

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:37 | 2145609 kridkrid
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Which doesn't sound so daunting for the people until you take into account the reality that the banks have captured the government and run the MIC. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:23 | 2145808 roadhazard
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Jamie Diamon donated a huge amount to the NYPD for bankster protection from OWS. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:09 | 2146706 moonstears
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had forgotten about that, thanks for the refresher! 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:45 | 2147207 Cathartes Aura
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the "people vs. the banks" is daunting when

you take into account the reality that the banks have captured the government and run the MIC

when you truly realise "the banks" and "the government" and "the MIC" - are all just fronts for PEOPLE too.

they just have more power over us if we engage them.  go guerilla, however you want to define that. . .

(for me, it's pay attention, but dis-engage)

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:04 | 2145997 epi_tis_thalassis
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"Save for the wild force of Nature, nothing moves in this world that is not Greek in its origin. "
John Acton 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:03 | 2146335 fiddy pence haf...
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epi

 

and so will go the international response to the banksters.

Watch, learn

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:14 | 2145484 gojam
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Just like the Egyptian Army last year.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:15 | 2145486 Archduke
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authorities switching sides are usually a strong catalyst for change.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:15 | 2145487 fightthepower
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No doubt they should send a message by taking out a few IMF thugs. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:16 | 2145492 holdbuysell
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This is serious stuff. The Greek collective sovereignty is expressing itself against outsiders, even supranational entities and their constituents.

This will be a trend to watch.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:16 | 2145493 non_anon
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!viva revolucion!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:23 | 2145812 Instant Wealth
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... that one ?

 

Aquí se queda la clara,
la entrañable transparencia,
de tu querida presencia,
Comandante Che Guevara.
Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:16 | 2145497 rsnoble
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All about $. Are the cops getting a pay cut now also? Or do they really believe what they are saying?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:27 | 2145555 flattrader
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>>>A police union official said the threat to 'refuse to stand against' fellow Greeks was a symbolic expression of solidarity and did not mean police would halt their efforts to stop protests getting out of hand.<<<

Hmmm....

In Wisconsin Gov. Walker exempted the state police from the worst of the austerity measures imposed on other state workers.  He used the state police from across WI to put down the demonstrations at the state capitol when the building police became overwhelmed and the local Madison cops said it wasn't their problem and just basically directed traffic for the safety of the demonstrators.

It would be good to know just what police they are talking about and who conrols their salary, benefits and pensions.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:34 | 2145591 LongBalls
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The police and military are ALWAYS the last of the people to take any cuts. The political and banking class need them to do the dirty work. All the way up to the end.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:38 | 2145614 rsnoble
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Exactly.  It's all about survival.  Police are scared to do the right thing in fear of losing their jobs also.  This fear factor is very powerful.  So I guess when a country is so broke it can pay the police either then there's problems.  God forbid if everyone just stood up and did the right thing but that's hard to do but they will be pushed into it possibly.  Next thing you know, "oh ok, no cuts for police but now everone else gets a 50% reduction instead of 25%" lol.  They'll attempt anything to stay in power.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:47 | 2145661 Rip van Wrinkle
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If I was a policeman in Greece when this blows up and mutiny ensues, job benefits wouldn't worry me.

 

Who lived next door would and who else knew my address would.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:16 | 2145498 Spooky Polish
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Laos lider just offered resigation ... Just few hours ago he was blocking austerity deal. Strange .

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:17 | 2145500 Mae Kadoodie
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Arrest the IMF criminals.  Arise you Greeks!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:32 | 2146143 JimBowie1958
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"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws." - Mayer Amschel Rothschild

 

Hmmm, seems he does have a point after all.....

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:17 | 2145503 alt-shift-x
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finally

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:18 | 2145506 Chump
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If the police are going to join the protest they better do it soon.  As it is, they've already beaten and maimed plenty of people who will not easily forget or forgive.  Too much longer and there will be no going back.

Same goes for the US.  You boys in blue had better choose wisely and do it quickly.  You're already not looking good, what with the randomly macing random innocent people, shooting unarmed protestors in the face with rubber bullets, you know, hateful crap like that.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:36 | 2145603 peekcrackers
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Chump... agreed plus 1

Now the greek cops are upest because the foods comeing off they'er plate ... dumb pig fucks .what about all the smart  ones who eat the trear gas you shot at them for months, as the greek peeps told you you where being ass raped.

Wake up cops .. you are just as much at risk.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:39 | 2145621 fredquimby
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I saw a great sign on one of the OWS marches "We are not armed - this time"

 

 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:29 | 2145833 StychoKiller
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The OWS will be back, and they might bring their friends, Smith and Wesson...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:18 | 2145510 Village Smithy
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OTP, Occupy the Parthenon.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:25 | 2145548 a growing concern
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Buy shares now of my new 3x Guillotine Bull ETF! This is your chance to get in on the ground floor of this promising new market!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:09 | 2145752 unrulian
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ahh...this is zerohedge, here we don't buy leveraged funds...a dirty old rope will work just fine no need to buy some chinese made de-headers

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:18 | 2145511 EscapeKey
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A friend of a friend he got beaten
He looked the wrong way at a policeman
Would never have happened to Smeaton
An old Leodensian
Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:19 | 2145512 Cole Younger
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"symbolic expression of solidarity " If the cops would not protect the politicians, this would be resolved.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:19 | 2145514 Lone Deranger
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It's interesting to note the latest from Goldman's Stolper regarding his latest prediction on the Aussie Dollar (going up):

"Our strongest fundamental belief has been and remains that the U.S. Dollar is still on a depreciating trend," said Goldman Sachs' Head of Foreign Exchange Research Thomas Stolper in a note. "As we have frequently highlighted, we always assumed that as soon as Euro area fiscal tensions declined and better global growth materialised Dollar weakness would again become the dominating trend.

"This dynamic is now well under way and may push the real trade-weighted dollar to new record lows," he said.

I sure feel better now that I've heard that Stolper thinks we've turned the corner on all that bad Europe/Greek stuff!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:26 | 2145550 WonderDawg
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As fiscal tensions declined and better global growth materialised. That's some funny shit. What fucking world does that guy live in, anyway?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:31 | 2145575 Lone Deranger
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What really pisses me off about Stolper is that he's got some really good drugs and he's not sharing!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:18 | 2145515 Bob
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Hell yeah.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:19 | 2145516 PaperBear
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Would it be appropriate at this moment for someone to say 'It`s on, like Donkey Kong' ?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:19 | 2145517 niktamere
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what happened to police being brainwashed

eh tyler? ehhhhhhh?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:50 | 2145941 Sabibaby
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You can brainwash people with money, now they're broke and realizing they wear the same shoes as everyone else.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:19 | 2145519 tmosley
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How DARE you have PRECONDITIONS for giving us MONEY!!!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:23 | 2145536 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The Greeks are terrists.

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