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Greek Police Threaten IMF Arrests Due To "Austerity Demands"
As the headlines from Europe become more and more realistic (and ironically more and more Onion-worthy), Reuters notes one of the more interesting examples of just how the Greek people are feeling. The Federation of Greek Police have accused EU/IMF officials, in a formal letter, of "...blackmail, covertly abolishing or eroding democracy and national sovereignty". While violence erupts among the largely unemployed youth, the supposedly 'grown-up and responsible' segment of the Greek society, which for now at least appears not to be on strike, is recognizing the wholesale destruction of their society (as 22% cuts in minimum wage for instance are thrust upon them). The Greek police, who have stood against the protesters and done their jobs facing threats and anger, are seemingly expressing solidarity with the antagonists as they call out ECB, European Commission, and IMF leaders for their destructive policies. At what point do the police throw down their riot shields and follow the Greek people into their 'Bastille'?
Reuters: Greek Police Union Wants To Arrest EU/IMF Officials
Feb 10 (Reuters) - Greece's largest police union has threatened to issue arrest warrants for officials from the country's European Union and International Monetary Fund lenders for demanding deeply unpopular austerity measures.
In a letter obtained by Reuters on Friday, the Federation of Greek Police accused the officials of "...blackmail, covertly abolishing or eroding democracy and national sovereignty" and said one target of its warrants would be the IMF's top official for Greece, Poul Thomsen.
The threat is largely symbolic since legal experts say a judge must first authorize such warrants, but it shows the depth of anger against foreign lenders who have demanded drastic wage and pension cuts in exchange for funds to keep Greece afloat.
"Since you are continuing this destructive policy, we warn you that you cannot make us fight against our brothers. We refuse to stand against our parents, our brothers, our children or any citizen who protests and demands a change of policy," said the union, which represents more than two-thirds of Greek policemen.
"We warn you that as legal representatives of Greek policemen, we will issue arrest warrants for a series of legal violations ... such as blackmail, covertly abolishing or eroding democracy and national sovereignty."
The letter was also addressed to the European Central Bank's mission chief in Greece, Klaus Masuch, and the former European Commission chief inspector for Greece, Servaas Deroose.
Policemen have borne the brunt of the anger of massed protesters who frequently march to parliament and clash with police in riot gear. Chants of "Cops, pigs, murderers!" are regularly hurled at policemen or scribbled on walls.
Thousands turned out on Friday for the latest protest in Athens, this time against new austerity measures that include a 22 percent cut in the minimum wage.
A police union official said the threat to 'refuse to stand against' fellow Greeks was a symbolic expression of solidarity and did not mean police would halt their efforts to stop protests getting out of hand.
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I have taken to the term TEAR OUR WRISTS
And Louis the XVI was misunderstood.
we are all misunderstood............sigh...............
terroirists. Most of them own their own home, and have their own grapes and wine.
Nice cheap buzz when you're broke.
"How DARE you have PRECONDITIONS for giving us MONEY!!!"
They're not GIVING them money, just as here in Ireland, they're fucking LOANING us money, at rip-off rates........so fuck you!
THIS is where it gets interesting. How long do the police aroudn the world do the bankers' bidding.
Now, Greece is a bit different because I am sure the policemen there don't get paid as much as they do here. If those checks keep clearing, and keep up with inflation, the police will have an easier time doing the technocrats' bidding.
Of course, this also doesn't mean that the police can "knuckle up". But if they have a heart; and I hope they do (probably tired with dealing with the bullshit the IMF have dealt them); they need to start TALKING with protesters, instead of firing tear gas at them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFOl-QXpLc4
It's funny because he says "the great nation of Greece", which it is not.
-Captain Obvious' Job is done here-
it's just rhetoric. They're trying to get in good with the anarchists.
Any great countries out there? yours perhaps?
As the headlines from Europe become more and more realistic (and ironically more and more Onion-worthy),...
Wake up and smell the reonionality people. You can't ignore it and it makes your eyes burn!
Irish are next to rebel. Place your bets.
If they do, then the Irish are terrists.
The people are the terrists.
The word you are trying to spell is "terrorist".
Have you something against "o"'s...?
They will be piss drunk so it could get ugly fast.
And so they should if they realise what their own government did to them.
"Irish are next to rebel. Place your bets."
Are you joking? I'm Irish and living in Ireland, and believe me, there will be no serious protesting here. A lot of grumbling over pints of Guinness maybe, but taking to the streets? You are having a laugh. We're the most supine, lazy, possibly cowardly bunch in Europe. The couple of hundred/thousand Irish of the last 40 years that DID have the inclination to force change on a situation that was unnacceptable were all IRA. I'm not advocating their political stance or methods, what I'm saying is they had the courage of their convictions, and then some. I see no evidence of that trait ANYWHERE in Ireland now.
Talk's cheap - lets see some action jackson
The Greeks should just accept the bailout because if they don't they are terrists for destroying Greater Europe.
Yes indeed -we should all just bend over and let a bankster ram it up our ass.
How can you be a terrorist for wanting to govern your own country and not wanting to pay back loans that would enslave at least three future generations that had nothing to do with the debt?
Shit will get real serious when they start lynching people in the streets. How do you say coup d'etat in Greek?
Can't wait - gettin' my popcorn ready !
Can't wait - got my .357 ready !
Terrists.
gattapaetaxis?
It's about time they realize who the real criminals are.
You're under arrest for conspiracy to not fund my pension.
Just goes to show you how bad things have to get to have solidarity when the majority of the people all believe the same thing. When everyone gets screwed TSHTF.
add Greece to the Axis of EEEEEEEEEEEvil !
you can do it greece, the south american countries booted the imf/world bank representatives out on their asses long ago, shirley you can do the same...................
Maybe not - and don't call me "Surely."
larf
Just words until they actually lay down their riot shields and walk away...
Gydo, start heating up that tar and ready the feathers!
Some cool stuff on the markets:
https://www.inthemoneystocks.com/rant-and-rave-blog/item/92675-attempted...
And Medusa strikes again:
http://www.inthemoneystocks.com/free-services/rant-rave-blog
Way to go! Power to the People and @!*& the banksters!
Five months ago the riot squad of the Icelandic police force resigned en masse. Iceland being Iceland, the meant that the presidient's wife got egged. Still, who's next?
When eggs are outlawed only terrists will have eggs.
Don't get your hopes up folks, the banksters have plenty of money to buy more police to get their plans rammed through. As long people have faith in fiat, greed for personal gain will triumph over solidarity.
It's ironic that the Greek technocrat leader implores the Greek people to accept austerity or else Greece will leave the Euro - when leaving the Euro is the best thing Greece can do. Returning to the Drachma is the only way they can bring their economy into any state of equilibrium.
would you care to explain how adding a balance of payment problem their existing government deficit is going to help. What do you think will be the Euro equivalent of the new benefits that Greeks will enjoy? How would you propose that they deal with all the existing liabilities that are denominated in Euros.?
Sure, I'll explain. The problem with Greece is that they can't service their debt and they can't pay for the services that they have promised their people. There is no way out of that situation if they stay in the Euro. Adding more debt via new ECB bailouts only makes the situation worse. They can't possibly grow their economy enough to grow out of their debt problem. The only way to clear the decks and start (from an admittedly lower level) is to default on their Euro debt, leave the Euro, and devalue the drachma to the point where the Greek economy can actually start to recover.
Have you ever watched the file "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid"? Butch and Sundance (Greece) are standing on a cliff with a posse closing in on them. If they stay on the cliff (stay in the Euro) they're dead. If they jump off the cliff (leave the Euro) they might be dead but it also gives them a chance to survive. Knowing this, they jump off the cliff and live.
Will the cops do the one thing that has never happened in history? A revolt of the thug class against their own masters to help the people??
"At what point do the police throw down their riot shields and follow the Greek people into their 'Bastille'?"
Thats easy, when they see their own families and friends starving to death!
+100, only hunger causes the thugocracy to turn and in most countries that will not happen
I've said this in another thread, but a word or two of caution: Greek politics are complicated. I found this summarising the landscape of the ultra-Right for instance (and I'd need time to verify the spin angle, if any, on it). The police are re-known in Greece for sympathising with Right-wing / Nationalist groups:
Before the surrender of Androutsopoulos, an article by the newspaper Ta Nea claimed that the Golden Dawn had close relationships with some parts of the Greek police force.[52] In relation to the Periandros case, the article quoted an unidentified police officer who said that "half the force wanted Periandros arrested and the other half didn't". The article claimed that there was a confidential internal police investigation which concluded that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_%28Greece%29
So, what this statement seems to be is a pledge of support towards the recent Georgios Karatzaferis / LAOS1 hijinks ~ and was timed today to lend weight to the 5.3% revolt against the rest of the government.
There's multiple layers to this whole Greek debacle - EU vrs National sovereignty, Corporate Banking vrs National sovereignty, Private vrs Public economic organisation, TPTB vrs Democracy, old Left / Communist / Socialist vrs Right / Fascist / Nationalist wing politics, Markets vrs Central Planning , and so on. But this move is more directed (most likely) at the upcoming Greek elections (which, remember have been postponed already) at a local level and as a push toward a Nationalist solution (i.e. forced default, anti-EU), imo.
I may be wrong: it's all Greek to me, but if people can't get their heads out of their arses, and decide to evolve past this whole dualism dance, the result will be chaos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTqwe57ObFo
Thanks for the post. Yes, it appears very complicated...and as I said upthread it would be good to know exactly which police we are talking about.
But in typical ZH near breathless fashion, sometimes the pesky details are overlooked.
As a former LEO myself, I know that loyalties are shifting...even more so in a political riot situations. Glad I never had to deal with the kind of situation that is happening there.
very interesting post, and from your links & reading a bit about the Golden Dawn, & their various incarnations, followers, etc. - yes, it is very complicated. . .
or maybe not so very. . . most of it boils down to defense of conflicting realities and a love of thuggery/power - exclusive clubs (whether fraternal and mallet-ish) dependent on "pure ancestry" that feel righteous in punishing "others" is historical, it seems we can never evolve away from this, never really escape it. . .
yes, the dualism dance, breaking through the paradigm, the only real escape, but it's not a concept most are able to entertain, sadly. chaos it is then.
Meanwhile US National Debt explodes:
15,338,608,500,000.oo USD of DEBT.
US Debt/GDP = 102 %
but everyone is talking about the 11 million Greek who expect to retire at 55,
while Germans work until 67 to support the extravagant Lifestyle
of fat and obese Greek Politicians like Greek Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos
and a country of people who pay no tax , expect 2 month holiday pay and run a budget deficit of 9%
but expect 130 billion Euros in a second bail-out. A country addicted to Debt Consumption.
Taking on more and more Debt, just to pay for the ever increasing Interest on the national Debt.
Totally bankrupt, morally, financially, ethically and spiritually. Greece is now a failed State.
What this confirms to me is this:
Nothing ever changes, everything keeps just getting worse.
The World has now gone completely insane and that includes ZH!
you would expect that humanity would learn something from history,
but all they learn is how to game the corrupt system
and this shit just keeps on getting worse.
7 billion People on this planet caught up in a downward race
to consume and destroy to reach the lowest possible form of existence -
the lowest common denominator.
Our world of greed has entered into a new dark age,
another age of abject ignorance and obscene stupidity.
2012 and the future looks bleak
wr;)
...Our world of greed has entered into a new dark age,
A new one? When did the old one end?
"Meanwhile US National Debt explodes:
15,338,608,500,000.oo USD of DEBT.
US Debt/GDP = 102 %
but everyone is talking about the 11 million Greek who expect to retire at 55,
while Germans work until 67 to support the extravagant Lifestyle
of fat and obese Greek Politicians like Greek Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos
and a country of people who pay no tax , expect 2 month holiday pay and run a budget deficit of 9%
but expect 130 billion Euros in a second bail-out. A country addicted to Debt Consumption.
Taking on more and more Debt, just to pay for the ever increasing Interest on the national Debt.
Totally bankrupt, morally, financially, ethically and spiritually. Greece is now a failed State.
What this confirms to me is this:
Nothing ever changes, everything keeps just getting worse.
The World has now gone completely insane and that includes ZH!
you would expect that humanity would learn something from history,
but all they learn is how to game the corrupt system
and this shit just keeps on getting worse.
7 billion People on this planet caught up in a downward race
to consume and destroy to reach the lowest possible form of existence -
the lowest common denominator.
Our world of greed has entered into a new dark age,
another age of abject ignorance and obscene stupidity.
2012 and the future looks bleak
wr;)"
Here's some light reading for you.......
http://digitaljournal.com/article/318237
...oh, and fuck you.!!!!!!!!!!!
Woo, woot...woo, woot, that is da sound of da police.
I realize that it is fashionable to be hyper cynical as a sign of sophistication even if that means arguing out of both sides of mouth. It is simply impossible to be critial of the Greek bailout offer as screwing the hard working Germans and other north Europeans while simultaneously arguing that it is screwing the Greeks.
If Greece didn't pay a single cent on what it owes to lenders (thereby ensuring that it can't borrow a single Euro) it would still have a budget deficit. Since, it would not be able to borrow any money it would have to run a balanced budget (assuming it stayed in the Euro). The cuts that it would have to make under those circumstances would be SUBSTANTIALLY greater than what is being demanded by the Troika. It is not as though the Greeks are being forced into austerity in order to repay their lenders. In fact at the end of this process the existing sovereign lenders would have loaned more money to Greece at lower rates than what they would have gotten in the market. I think the argument that the Greeks are doing the rest of Europe a favor by staying with the Euro is simply rubish. I have seen no well reasoned case for how Greece is betteroff having both a budget deficit and a balance of payment problem.
It speaks to a certain amount of incompetence by the Troika that what is a very generous and charitable offer on their part is being characterized as "blackmail".
Hopefully that includes ECB officials!
Time for the Greek people/police to round up and jail the IMF banksters. Let the mobs get to them first.
Chairsatan gave trillions to the banks and Europe, why shouldn't he give 172 billion to Greece? I mean, 172 billion is peanuts on the FED's balance sheet.
And what's gonna sell out congress gonna do about it? Nothing.
172 billion is all Europe needs to kick the can for another 6 months.
And Ben should give it to them, otherwise it's gonna screw his master plan of giving the election to Obama!
/sarc?
The problem with cooking the books once, to get into the EU, lead Greece into keeping the books cooked, and cooking them some more, with GS help. Once you START a ponzi scheme, you discover that you can't STOP a ponzi scheme. It's like doing meth or crack. Once you do it, you have to do it more to get the same effect. Pretty soon, you are a goner.
It's time to pay the piper, bitchez. Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy, then the UK, then the US. Ireland can turn around any time and backstab Europe.
What is the difference between a banker and a wanker?
The wanker knows what he's doing!
firefighters hosing down cops in Brussels:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26dtpOZw0do&feature=player_embedded
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/02/09/argentina-limits-daily-financial-transaction-per-person-to-1.000-pesos-230-dollars?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily
this is getting almost as good as nixon!
remember how one of the new "covenants" of the europeons might give the technocrats diplomatic immunity from arrrest?
is christineL in demand, now, or what? L0L!!!
DSK, of course, already had this immunity when on official IMF business...did his case get "reclassified" from monkey business to official business?
is he free to have the radio anklet removed, yet? or did he agree to a forehead implant or a hand job? enquiring voyeurs: "ve vant to know, BiCheZ!"
"At what point do the police throw down their riot shields and follow the Greek people into their 'Bastille'?"
that time is long past.....
greece has an epic opportunity to preserve their freedoms and to fuck the banksters where it counts...doing less is guaranteed slavery...
how the fuck is a cut in minimum wage going to repay a public debt? that is the most imbicilic fucktarded thing i have heard..
default here and default now!!!!!
....So it begins.... The police starting to stand in solidarity with the people... If this wave of indignation spreads the continent, and then the world, we will have our revolution.... The Uprising of the Debt Serfs
.....Watch, the Oligarchs will label Greece a terrorist state in 3, 2, 1.... That, or the next big false flag attack will be moved up a couple of months… Pack your bags for Camp FEMA sheeple…
Hmmm, if one hasn't upped their personal Defcon level to 1, now may be a prudent time to do so.
I already made a nice profit when CDS for GGB and Bunds were virtually the same, asymetry it can be beautiful - thanks ECB and EMU! Those good ol days are over, even though that was just a couple of years ago. Now all that remains is for the likes of KKR and other voltures, who despite their reputation, do good towards the health of an economy by buying distressed assets. The Greeks have more power than they realize instead of whining they should get organized, and go for a default and believe me there will be plenty of firms out there willing to finance Greece as it has an important geographic advantage, shipping ports and it is or rather use to be one of the prefered tourist destinations. Think about it, Who wouldnt invest in its tourist industry made more affordable thanks to a devalued drachma? The irony of this is that it will probably be filled with German tourist.
Breaking on CNBS: "Greece's Deputy Foreign Minister Resigns: Greek State TV"
No link as of yet...
First Carrot Top avatar I've seen on ZH, so +1.
Three Popular Orthodox Rally (LAOS) MPs have resigned from the Cabinet but two have said they will go against their party leaders’ wishes and vote in favor of Greece’s new loan agreement.
Transport Minister Makis Voridis, Deputy Merchant Marine Minister Adonis Georgiadis and Deputy Agriculture Minister Asterios Rondoulis tendered their resignation after LAOS leader Giorgos Karatzaferis said that he would not support the loan agreement following lengthy negotiations this week.
However, in their resignation letters, Voridis and Georgiadis, said they would vote for the new bailout on Sunday.
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_10/02/2012_427185
Deputy foreign minister Mariliza Xenogiannakopoulou is gone as well. So, we've got foreign policy, transport, shipping & food gone, 3 deputies + 1 actual minister.
(via the Guardian)
When the police and army flip -- look out!
The coppers over there should let it go and go home.Actualy the cop's and military should take over.And yes,Go the Iceland route.
Does anybody else here think that their police would ever, even in theory, mention as a group
(even if they don't have a union) that they will protect the people and/or arrest the invaders?
Greek cops just did it. Setting the standard.
"Greek Police Threaten IMF Arrests Due To "Austerity Demands"
Good for the Greek Police. Throw the International Motherfuckers in jail where they belong. They are nothing but loan sharks destroying one economy after the next.
And that's only the beginning.
The current austerity measures reduce deficit only by 3.3 bln Euro. Greek deficit at end of 2011 was 10% of GDP, but 3.3 bln reduce deficit only by 1.5% of GDP.
By June they have to set up the next austerity package with a volume of 10 bln Euro to reach the target deficit of 4.7 % for 2012, which was negotiated between Greece, EU creditors and IMF.
That is not even enough, by 2015 they have to reduce defcit even further to 1% and finally they have to produce a surplus, likely by more austerities.
Just insane!
The dissemination of money, or credit, and of all kinds of monetary tokens more and more confirms this meaning of money. Money is the possibility or the right to exploit the labours of others. Money is a new form of slavery, which differs form the old only in being impersonal, and in freeing people from all the human relations of the slave.
Leo Tolstoy
By knowing what happened in indebted Greece, where loan sharks created “bubbles” and the current inhuman debt, one can understand the inhuman plan in total ...understand where this plan started just to bring all states at the same end ...understand how this type of plans are established...
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/01/global-debt-crisis.html
check that article
LOL. Greek government will invite Junker with Troika for a meeting in Greece. It will arrest them and with 24 hours have court sentence them for 20 years. That will be something to watch.
This won't get really interesting until the military siezes power and Martial Law is declared. That will be the real test.
This is what happens when a country consumes more than it produces each and every year. The police, the ECB, the rioters, etc. are all just scapegoats and targets for anger. America will experience a similar time when anger boils over and someone (the rich?) become targets because the government can no longer spend recklessly.
Ignore the scuffles between the scapegoats. Focusing on who is more to blame is missing the point. The ultimate problem is voters who demand a lifestyle that exceeds the country's means. It won't end unless the people vote for politicians who are accountable. And that will require that people live with a lot fewer government promises.
That's not likely to happen if history is any way to judge. So get yourself ready.
Best piece of news I've heard in a long time. Fuck the economic terrorists!
GERMANY, the DISGRACE of Europe
...the barbarians, who forced beautiful Europe to get down Zeus’“back” and made her a prostitute ...the unworthy Europeans, who in 1945 “took Europe down” from “Mount Olympus” and in 2012 relinquished “enslaved” Europe to the Phoenician loan sharks.
Germans are proved to be the easy solution to breach Europe’s door. Whoever wishes to “set foot” on Europe and demolish it, the only thing he has to do is to “fool” the Germans. For a second time in less than fifty years, Europe’s idiots become the victims of foreigners and they serve their interests at the expense of Europe...
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/germany-disgrace-of-europe.html
_____________________
The German traitors of Europe along with the Phoenicians from Asia may have forced Europe to get down from the "back” of the Greek “bull”, but it remains to be seen how they shall pull it through with the “bull”.
Authored by PANAGIOTIS TRAIANOU
what the fuck is happening to this world ?
Who is robbing EVERYONE ?
I mean i am Swiss and our central bank sold 1400 tons gold between 2000 and 2005....
right before it went up.
rofl.
Who the fuck bought it ?
We are supposedly one of the few direct democracies, we had NO say in this matter - at all.
Gee, I wonder how a war could ever break out in this environment. I thought all the European ninnies on this site assured me it could never happen. Right ...