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Greek President (And Nazi Resistance Fighter) Lashes Out At "German Boot" For Pushing Country To The Brink
The following extract from a Bloomberg article suggests that the German mission of getting Greece to file for bankruptcy on its own, thus removing the perception that Europe has given up on the first (of many) terminal patient, own has almost succeeded. "Greek President Karolos Papoulias slammed Germany’s finance minister for recent comments about his country as stalled bailout talks stoked tensions between Greece and the northern European countries funding its rescue. “I don’t accept insults to my country by Mr. Schaeuble,” Papoulias, who fought in the resistance against the Nazis during World War II, said in a speech today. “I don’t accept it as a Greek. Who is Mr. Schaeuble to ridicule Greece? Who are the Dutch? Who are the Finns? We always had the pride to defend not just our own freedom, not just our own country, but the freedom of all of Europe."
Papoulias’s comments came as Wolfgang Schaeuble and other European officials pushed Greece to gouge more cuts out of its budget to qualify for a new bailout that would stave off an economic collapse. Schaeuble today blamed Greece’s New Democracy party, the second largest, for holding up agreement on a new rescue package and his deputy, Steffen Kampeter, compared Greece to a “bottomless pit.”
Greek politicians are expressing their frustration after European finance ministers last week rejected a Greek austerity package worth 7 percent of gross domestic product. That prompted New Democracy leader Antonis Samaras to complain that a gun was being held to the country’s head. George Karatzaferis, head of Laos, the third party in the governing coalition, said the country “could do without the German boot.”
Since we assume that Mr. Papoulias has had the chance to travel around Europe and to actually familiarize himself with both Netherlands and Finland, not to mention Germany whom he fought in WW2, it is safe to say his was a rhetorical question. To which a rhetorical answer may be due: "they are the ones who have been providing funding to Greece for the past two years." Granted that funding may not have gotten where it was supposed to but that is only due to two things: i) corruption and ii) stupidity on behalf of the local politicians - the same ones tasked with looking after the interests of their own people. Because nobody else will.
Seen in this light, Mr. Papoulias sacrifice to stop his €300k a year salary is a little naive and, well, too little too late.
Alas, Greece should have down what we said back in early 2010 - default, and let the chips fall where they may. In that way it would have been like Iceland, and already on the way to recovery. Instead it chose the cowardly way out, and to bend over backwards to the global banker consortium. Now it can reap what it sow, with or without meaningless populist speeches.
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Wake me up when merkel hangs from a lamp post in athens.
They're the ones who invented the "Molotov cocktail" and taught the Soviet army how to fight a war, so they could finally beat the Wehrmacht.
I wouldn't go too far down that road....
You Don't Argue With Your Creditor, That is Unless You Have NO Plans to Ever pay Him Back ...
I applaud Mr Papoulias for raising the Greek national spirit and shaming not only the creditors but his fellow politicians.
Maybe his salary sacrifice as an example becomes a demand from the populace for the rest of the politicians to follow suit and cut their MASSIVE salairies and allowances (52 free flights per yr, 1K telephone bills per month, 1K housing allowance, pension for life after 8 years as MP, FAT salaries at mininmum tax rate, allowances for 4 personal staff, 1.5 K Car allowance + Car hire allowance.... the list goes on).
The Greek civilian population paid heavily for WWII with famine and starvation to the point of death for many in the cities during the winter 1940-41.
Their president just made sticking to the terms of the bailout a matter of national pride and while some might interpret it as a case for possible civil war for the minority of the populace that do not support it, it is no longer a party political debate.
Papoulias also just put the Germans on notice that should they seek to backtrack or treat Greece like an occupied territory, Greece will default, as a matter of national pride.
Backtracking is a privelege reserved only for Greeks, they have centuries of history in mastering its use.
To keep within the monetary union guidelines, the government of Greece had MISREPORTED the country's official economic statistics.
At the beginning of 2010, it was DISCOVERED that Greece had paid Goldman Sachs and other banks hundreds of millions of dollars in fees since 2001, for ARRANGING transactions that HID the actual level of borrowing.
The purpose of these deals made by several successive Greek governments, was to enable them to continue spending, while HIDING THE ACTUAL DEFICIT FROM THE EU.
http://en.wikipedi...rnment_debt_crisis
What had started as a giant lie, will finally lead to a booting...!!
OMG REALLY!!!!!??????! !!!
Where have you been last few years? THE europeans knew about it while it was happening. They just thought "its only tiny, little Greece up to their usual tricks..... " at the time.
The head of Greek Statistics back in the 1990s was nicknamed "the magician" coz he could make things disappear. oh come on.
Germany and France use statistics to make things disappear. Italy makes things disappear.
US makes things disapper in stats, read the posts on ZH!!!!!
This is Europe. This is a democracy. the EU now has an asusrance from the 2 leading parties that they will do their bit and a vote from parliament (the far right left the coalition, representing only 6% of the voting members) son only two assurances needed, down from 3 LOL
Both Greece and the EU/Member states have every incentive to close a PARTIAL deal by 15/20/30 Feb, etc the ONLY thing that has to happen is a payoff of 14.5bn debt on 20 March.
And until then the aim is to get as much of a "write down" on private banks, call it a selective default, dont trigger CDS on as much as possible, basically , have a default without a default and leave all other options as open as much as possible.
No need to put the 300 in the face of the onslaught....... as yet.
You're ridiculous.
Tell your friends, the Greek, that next time they should hire the Deutsche Bank instead of the Squid and all will be fine.
Uh? Next time? I don't think so! End of discussion!
Good night, Bon soir, Gutnacht, Buenas noches e addio Grecia.
this type of demagoguery by Greece is inexcusable. They cause a Godwin's Law invocation nearly every time they speak on this. THEY borrowed the money. This is NOT ICELAND.
Dangerous Oversimplifications.
Who is this "THEY" you are talking about.
A Government can borrow money in the name of the people... then use the money for its own purposes and maybe do some TOKEN gifts to the poor people, to make it look like people received something (olympic games, a new bridge, etc...)
Who ever thought that we left medieval feudal state... NOTHING has changed...
> US makes things disapper in stats, read the posts on ZH!!!!!
They're getting better and better at this – they even have laws that can be used to make their own citizens disappear. But even they can't disappear their own debts.
"The europeans knew about it while it was happening." No. We did not.
Yes, there were hints, yes, the Greek Statistics were somewhat fudged, but nobody expected that kind of megatricks that Goldman Sachs pulled.
European Criticism of the Greek Government is about the size of the hidden debt & lies. For that, a True Master of Lies had to help.
All hot air. These Socialisti will take their reaming and like it. 1941? If the Greeks didn't want German troops in their country, they probably should not have let Brit Empire troops in FIRST. Metaxes needed no help from warmonger Churchill. Greeks had already defeated the eyeties and, when Mussolini begged Hitler for help, H said "fuck off, Musso...got good relations with Greece". So warmonger Churchill hit Metaxes ("died of a heart attack"), set up puppet govt, and occupied Greece. Then Churchill + Stalin proceeded to overthrow pro-German regime in Yugoslavia, replacing it with a cabal of Serb generals, and only then did the Germans strike southward. True history, not the Jewish version.
Not quite, the Greeks didnt want Germans in their territory. Brits werent there first. Italians requested pass through, Greeks refused, Italians, invaded, Greeks kicked them out, Germans had to reinforce, Brits had to help. Germans kicked Brits out and made the Greeks pay for collaboration and delaying.diverting their efforts to get to the Romanian oilfields.
Liar. Brits killed off pro-German Metaxes when he refused Empire troops. Replaced him with puppet govt that "invited" Brits in. Then came the Belgrade coup. Only then, twice provoked, did the Germans strike.
LOL your handle says it all, mate.
End of discussion.
No, you are still a liar.
[cough]
I've withdrawn my comment.
Uh, "bend over backwards"?
Improvised incendiary devices have been around long before there were "Finns".
But none have the "ring" of Molotov Cocktail.
The other Soviet Foreign Ministerial-named device, the Molotov Breadbasket, could now be named the "Obama Kinetic Peace Delivery".....
"Who are the Finns"
Well, the Finns are certainly the more prudent lenders who dare ask for collateral.
Dutch and German lenders seem to be *OK* with a simple LOI.
Haha, what a goofball this Greek guy. Soon he'll be crying to his people that he couldn't get them the money.
Broken bones..
Hakkapeliitta (Finnish pl. hakkapeliitat) is a historiographical term used for a Finnish light cavalryman in the service of King Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden during the Thirty Years' War (1618 to 1648). Hakkapeliitta is a 19th century Finnish modification of a contemporary name given by foreigners in the Holy Roman Empire and variously spelled as Hackapelit, Hackapelite, Hackapell, Haccapelit, or Haccapelite. These terms were based on a Finnish war cry hakkaa päälle (English: Hit them on the head; Swedish: hacka på), commonly translated as "Cut them down!"
The hakkapeliitta-style cavalry was first used during the Polish-Swedish Wars of the late 16th century. In the early 17th century the cavalry led by the Field Marshal Jacob De la Gardie participated in campaigns against Poland and Russia. The Hakkapeliitta cavalry men led by Field Marshal Gustaf Horn were vital to the Swedish victories in Germany during the Thirty Years' War.
...from Wikipedia.
....of which I am a descendent.
I need a horse....
+1
Greetings from the Gardekavallerie
Uh, educate me again why it's Merkel's fault the Greeks paid themselves far beyond what they could realistically afford?
I suppose it's Merkel's fault they haven't gone bankrupt yet. But then, if they had, Merkel would probably be the scapegoat in that case too.
EXACTLY!!
Let's see how they do it by themselves.
5000 years they lived from the fishing industry and goat herding. Let's see how they'll become a economic power with that.
YEAH I Agree, Those dang Germans should go back to Goat Herding...
More Americans should herd goats and other livestock, too bad HOAs prevent them from even planting vegetables in most cases...
you rock!!
And cue...
"So many theories, so many prophecies,
What we do need is a change of ideas.
When we are scared we can hide in our reveries but
What we need is a change of ideas.
Change of ideas, change of ideas,
What we need now is a change of ideas."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Fb8AIWw8I
They represent, that's all. How did the West ever become an economic power anyhow? Chance? Grace? Greed? Respect for your elders...
Freedom, liberty, ... and guns. Lots of guns.
Deep love and gameness makes a winner.
Comparative variety of grains and ease of their domestication.
The Mediterranean provided a natural system of transport.
Basically...Geography.
huh? nonsense.
Oh, there you are. You're late, but nevermind...
Read this book sometime, "Why the West Rules--for Now" by Ian Morris.
Bronze and iron.
that stuff is everywhere
and yoghurt with philosophy on the bottom. When you stir it up, it tastes really good.
SD Why speak in a contemptuous way about people making a living off the land? Better than being a banker - IMO. Much better.
Edit - hopefully their not using gill nets.
I believe that the way things are going, living off the land will be the new hot career. Look at this refugee in Montana.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-going-grid-montana-style
Dear Key,
It takes (at least) TWO to have a loan go bad - the borrower AND the lender...
Thing is, the majority of the $ Greece borrowed since 2000 went to purchase BMVaayyy's, MB's and other Deutsche produkts.
I know, they still borrowed the $ you claim, but that doesn't mean Germany should underwrite generations of Greek debt.
Bring back the D-Mark. Problems solved. It's that easy...
I don't disagree. The sooner they file for bankruptcy, the better. Yes, it'll be a hell of a headache, but the longer those darn Keynesians force alcohol down our necks, the worse it'll eventually get.
And the drachma -- unless you were seeing Greece move to the DM, also. They need their drachma back. A shame it was dropped -- the drachma goes back to 1832 ... and ancient [classical] Greece, also.
Its not, but then again there's a saying that goes, "if you give soemone enough rope, they'll hang themselves".
Also you can't give a fat kid a unlimited supply of donuts and nto expect him to get diabetes.
Great, enough rope and donuts for everyone then. Popcorn for me, thanks.
Ah, its just the village idiot again.
shouldn't it be a lamp post in Berlin
You know they will do that eventually, hang her and burn her in effigy. It's all over, and Portugal hasn't realized that they are next.
READ SOME HISTORY YOU SAD PHUCK
Homage to the Greek resistance
Everyone can recall the sentiments of admiration which the heroic defense of Greece, first against the Italians and then against the German invader, aroused throughout the civilised world.
In a speech made at the Reichstag in 1941, Hitler expressed his admiration for the Greek resistance,h[›] saying of the campaign: "Historical justice obliges me to state that of the enemies who took up positions against us, the Greek soldier particularly fought with the highest courage. He capitulated only when further resistance had become impossible and useless." The Führer also ordered the release and repatriation of all Greek prisoners of war, as soon as they had been disarmed, "because of their gallant bearing."[133] According to Hitler's Chief of Staff, Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel, the Führer "wanted to give the Greeks an honorable settlement in recognition of their brave struggle, and of their blamelessness for this war: after all the Italians had started it."i[›] Inspired by the Greek resistance during the Italian and German invasions, Churchill said, "Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks".[134] In response to a letter from George VI dated 3 December 1940, American President Franklin D. Roosevelt stated that "all free peoples are deeply impressed by the courage and steadfastness of the Greek nation",k[›] and in a letter to the Greek ambassador dated 29 October 1942, he wrote that "Greece has set the example which every one of us must follow until the despoilers of freedom everywhere have been brought to their just doom
Who cares about your fucking history? Pay your bills, arsehole, and move on...!
If it wasn't for Greece you would be eating camel meat and verb_Muslims_do noun_Muslims_do
This is not going to end well.
Let's just hope it ends! This Greek collapse was old about a year ago. Enough already! Let it burn...
Nothing new about this at all - Europe has much can-kicking experience. Just finished reading "When Money Dies" - the tale of hyperinflation in Weimar Germany after WWI. There were endless numbers of conferences and meetings between the allies after wars end to deal with reparations and Germany's economic problems. Author Adam Fergusson comes up with a phrase that fits the current Greek situation to a T:
"Throughout the whole of March (1922) the fall went on; and only in April did a rally come, when the European financial community, whose willingness to grasp at straws was still amazingly unaffected by frequency of disappointment, decided that the international conference billed to begin in Genoa that month might bring salvation."
Sounds like Spring-2010 with Greek bailout one, or October 2011 with bailout two- and this was 90 years ago!
Practice makes perfect.
With new rubberized kickable can technology one wonders if the "problem" could in fact be simply postponed well into the next century...
They're working on a moon-shot!! {ssshhhhhh...... } but don't tell anyone.
I hear Schaeuble eats human babies!
Belgian babies. I saw it with my very eyes!
Yeah... There the best.... With onion rings.... Hhhmmmmmm...
I heard some greek built a time-machine and went back to 1990, attempting to assassinate schaeuble...
Schaubles body got damaged, but his mind got more evil with this experience...
Thats what you call a time paradoxon!
No, no, I am hearing that this is why the jackbooted Troika thugs are being sent into Greece. The cover story is that they will monitor the implementation of austerity measures, but their real task will be that of fanning out across Athens's maternity wards to find the perfect baby for Schaeuble to eat each day.
I am hearing this....
W. Strangelove: " Nah, they're too salty, I'm on diet " ...
just need a little more lead for that ring fence around portugal, italy, ireland, spain.........
Just read that at Bloomberg and must admit am a little surprised that his nationalism takes over from his banker role. Impressive.
you just have to make fun of his mama, and its all downhill from there.
things are getting ugly.
Madam Furer won't be happy
default bitchez.
This country is bankrupt anyway. Official filing or not does not make a difference.
Playing the Nazi card just shows which moronic level the conversation hits.
Greece has lived above their means and Greek politicians betrayed Europeans, lying that they would do so well ... with the help of Goldman cooking their books.
It's no different from the progressive lib's, when confronted with harsh truth, play the race card, or in this case, the culture card. Most of Europe is still trying to blame the Nazi Party, which basically crumbled some 70 odd years ago, for all of the on-going problems...amazing. UFB in fact.
It's like Black American's still clinging to the slavery argument or the Jews with the Holocaust, enough already, we know, we fucking know and we get it. But it's time to move on jackwagon.
More recently, it's Bary Obummer still blaming Bush after 3+ years of fucking up on his own... People will always project blame and deflect responsibility when they KNOW they are wrong and have a
absolutely NO defense. So, drop a bomb and watch people scatter. It's a great deflection tactic. Thankfully, most see through it.
Godwin's law. (*)
Citi is paying $158 mill for mortgage fraud. Nothing like blind justice in America.
At least we have blind justice, I was beginning to think we had NO justice!
Whew!!!
LOL- the interest they earn on their unspent bailout money will cover that parking ticket.........
Thats nothing when they borrowed 25 BILLION in tarp?
The old boy was surrounded by the Greek military when he said that. Let's remember a couple of lessons from recent history : Merkel now wants to cancel the election in Greece because she doesn't know who will win it. The last time an election got cancelled in Greece it was because the colonels took over. We then had 7 years of military junta during which time they tried to incite a coup in Cyprus. That angered Turkey and there was very nearly a regional war.
Greece might be broke but it is the 22nd highest spender on defence as a proportion of GDP in the world. The military has run Greece in the lifetime of a large proportion of the population. We have a tinderbox where the people are being driven to extremist parties because the "mainstream" parties have drunk Merkel's koolaid.
This isn't a laugh. There is a real prospect of military dictatorship, clampdown on human rights, and a regional war. Merkel is an idiot. Sarkozy is an idiot. They are playing with fire and appear to think that they are in a high school debating contest.
@ Onion +2
Germans are proved to be the easy solution to breach Europe’s door. Whoever wishes to “set foot” on Europe and demolish it, the only thing he has to do is to “fool” the Germans. For a second time in less than fifty years, Europe’s idiots become the victims of foreigners and they serve their interests at the expense of Europe …it is for the second time that they take money from foreigners and they turn against their European “brothers” under their lenders’ orders …it is for the second time that the family’s fool takes “candies” from the “#r” of the neighbourhood in exchange to get him into the “bedroom” where the younger “siblings” sleep …In the “bedroom” which is common today due to the European Union...
Germany handed all the European countries over to the Jewish loan sharks, by naively believing that this way they would let Germany free. Germany put the European family at the “target” of the “markets” and it is collecting profits every time one of its members gets “executed”. The loan sharks who pretend to be the “hunters” are shooting safely in the European “hen house” because Germany has managed to “raise walls around” Europe. One after the other, Europeans are destroyed so that Merkel can pay the stupid and artificial German debts to the loan sharks.
As in all previous instances, once again its “fairy tale” is extremely misleading. Nazi Germany who used to destroy Europe in the name of the Greek ideals, does the same thing today. The surrendered, corrupting, competitive after receiving subsidies and extremely anti-European Germany pretends to be the unrivalled European power that fights for the European unity and against the corruption. This country that took advantage of the unification to serve its national interests, requires from the other countries to sell themselves out in the name of this unification. This country that even today keeps corrupting anyone around it, it threatens the corrupted ones. It “vomited” over a whole continent and now it is looking for the “spot” on its victims to punish them.
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/germany-disgrace-of-europe.html
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Authored by PANAGIOTIS TRAIANOU
Ok, then it's their military dictatorship. Certainly not the only one in the world.
You think more diluted fiat would change that course?
81% of the aid package goes to the banks, i.e., the guys that made boatloads of money by lending to a state they knew was insolvent (because they provided the tricks). Plus, make no mistake, if Greece fails, the european banking system will suffer, and the other states will other suffer in turn. I believe all these talks about "helping greeks" are really rather talks about "helping our banks so that we do not suffer". SocGen and BNP have just released their numbers, they claim they have already covered 75% of losses on greek assets. So basically, the need to "help Greece" is quietly disappearing, and the other EU states are more and more likely to prefer to save the money for other states that will also need it (Portugal, Spain, Italy).
Once you realise that there is a limited amount of ressources, and that people believe (I don't know whether this is justified) that a greek default can be contained, the rational decision is to let Greece default, and provide funds to Greece afterwards to help it recover as long as it does not have access to market. My guess is that this was the intention since at least november 2011, and that Papandreou's referendum proposal went in the way, as it accelerated the pace towards default.
If you do not think this is the rational way, what do you propose ? Please remember that there are other people out there who also need the money, and that there are also lots of people in Germany who earn less than the minimal wage in Greece (400EUR/month).
Ouch..... a little reference to the past there.....
"We always had the pride to defend not just our own freedom, not just our own country, but the freedom of all of Europe."
When you fukkers were storming across it(Europe)!!!....I guess is what he was thinking....
He must have been thinking of the continuous hyperinflation Greece suffered during the war, caused by funding endless deficits via the printing press.
Oh actually, that's probably not what he's thinking of.
It was only a inflation rate of 100.000.000%, hardly hyperinflation...
Meanwhile Obama offers food stamps to all Americans in return for a vote in the upcoming election!
Not to mention the Mc coupons deals!
We always had the pride to defend not just our own freedom, not just our own country, but the freedom of all of Europe.
Just not against bankers.
Tell the EU to fuck off and be very vocal about it. Call their bluff. If Greece crawfishes on all their debts, the EU has the bigger problem.
And if Greece does it, the whole thing goes boom, as the rest of the PIIGS will be one move behind and will scramble for the remaining chairs.
pods
Yes yes yes yes yes
2 Little 2 Late you have sold your sole to the masters of Europe.
Note to Greece- It's not like you don't have options
Yep, they can always burn olive oil for fuel.
Unless of course they have some gold to re-hypothecate the Drachma.
Yeah, declare war on Germany. The Bundeswehr isn't what it once was.
Wonder if they have replenished the teargas inventory? Let's hope a consignment program is in place.
/sarc
Meanwhile the EURUSD soars... or tanks... Ah, fuck it. It did both. Simultaneously.
Oh yeah, it's crazy up in here.
playing nicely is ending. The next phase will be more trash talking and then finally a fight will break out, or in this case Greece will tell everyone to go *uck themselves
Basically Israel has three options, he wrote: Strike Hezbollah and Hamas, strike Iran, or "order a hit" on Barack Obama. Either way, problem solved!
Here's how Adler laid out "option three" in his list of scenarios facing Israeli president Benjamin Netanyahu (the column, which was forwarded to us by a tipster, isn't online, but you can read a copy here):
Three, "give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice president to take his place, and forcefully dictate that the United States' policy includes its helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies."--Andrew Adler, owner/publisher Atlanta Jewish Times, jan 13, 2012
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/284979-ajt.html
I think the Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran deserve a 620th chance
And Obama deserves 4 more years?
At least Israel has properly identified all of them as terrorists.
And Israel has used up all of theirs, long ago.
Anything else would seem unreasonable.
Fool me once, shame on you,
Fool me 620 times... can't get fooled a 621st.
Pride won't save you from the cold hard truth.
I'm calling full blown war by next summer for sure if not sooner (march 12') but no way I see this ending well.
Don't forget, ya' gotta wrap up any war loose ends by 122112 (Dec.21.2012).
B-day. For BIG day ... or BOOM day ... or BULLSHIT day .. something in there.
Perhaps Mahmoud Imadinnahjacket (I'm sorry, that's too damn funny. Someone used that on ZH, and I haven't been able to stop using it since. I am reminded of my favorite name I saw for that Croatian weenie, Milosevic Slobovich -- which was: SlobberdownMyCockUBitch) waits until December to press the Button, sharing a radioactive present with the whole planet. Or maybe that's the date the magnetic poles of the planet decide to flip. So no worries, no 2013 wars. ;)
Slobodan Milosevic was Serbian
Oh hell. That was swift of me. My bad.
-- what you said.
Greece switched to the Euro in January of 2002.
I don't recall that they kicked and screamed while the EU dictated terms to them at the time.
Mr. Schaeuble did not mention the Nazis or the German boot or the blitzkrieg or the panzer tanks or the swastikas on the shoulders of Merkel… Why is Zero Hedge so interested in creating this image?
The Germans are no longer Nazis and Greek President Karolos Papoulias is no longer a resistance fighter. It begins to tire one to be seeing these Zionists word pictures painted by the banker-backed media to demonize the German people for what the European bankers, primarily Jews, do.
With so many accusations concerning the bankers that are involved in the European crisis, including the Goldman Sachs bankers in Germany and Greece, it seems to be very inappropriate for Bloomberg to resort to Zionism rhetoric relating to a war a long time ago.
Thanks for this, the voice of reason.
If the Italians had not invaded Greece Germany would not have needed to divert troops there; and if they hadn;t had to prop up the Italians in nOrth Africa; they could have put a lot more effort into toppling Russia
Precisely. Hitler wins on E. Front & finishes off Russian Jewry--------------->no Israel. If only.
GERMANY, the DISGRACE of Europe
...the barbarians, who forced beautiful Europe to get down Zeus’“back” and made her a prostitute ...the unworthy Europeans, who in 1945 “took Europe down” from “Mount Olympus” and in 2012 relinquished “enslaved” Europe to the Phoenician loan sharks.
Germans are proved to be the easy solution to breach Europe’s door. Whoever wishes to “set foot” on Europe and demolish it, the only thing he has to do is to “fool” the Germans. For a second time in less than fifty years, Europe’s idiots become the victims of foreigners and they serve their interests at the expense of Europe...
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/germany-disgrace-of-europe.html
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The German traitors of Europe along with the Phoenicians from Asia may have forced Europe to get down from the "back” of the Greek “bull”, but it remains to be seen how they shall pull it through with the “bull”.
Authored by PANAGIOTIS TRAIANOU
Ok. Then stop taking their money.
Interesting article and comments, such as this excerpt:
@JR
Your indignation is misplaced.
Don't blame Tyler for the Nazi slant you say Bloomberg put on the story.
More importantly, how can you pretend to be defending anyone from demonization while simultaneously engaging in a similarly base condemnation of another?
I calls ‘em like I sees ‘em. And when I sees it in a headline, I sees it.
JR - Nice post, but you do call out TD and IMO, pussy-foot around Bloomies. I mean, let's dig deeper. By pushing this rhetoric, where does Bloomberg want this to go? What is going to be accomplished by demonizing the Germans?
...
The year is 1967. Violent protests break out in London against the war in Vietnam outside the US embassy. The then Labour Government calls a cabinet meeting. The party is disgusted with Prime Minister Harold Wilson for not condemning America for making war in Vietnam. One cabinet member finally vents his disgust and asks Wilson why he won't publicly rebuke America for the Vietnam war. Wilson replies with a straight face, "because we cannot kick our creditors in the balls".
+1 for a bad ass avatar! Thunderball is one of the great Bond flicks!
+2 You said it! Best bond movie of all time. Connery was best!
Actually, Britain had turned down Johnson on British participation in Vietnam - Britain had already been there - in 1945 fighting in Saigon. Johnson still arranged for a run on the Pound and did little to aid Wilson
Yes. Wilson skillfully kept Britain out of the war. However, this was not enough for some labour party ideologues whose growing dislike of everything American demanded that the war be condemned publicly by the British Government. Wilson refused to do it as Britain's finances were a mess (nothing changes eh?) and it was surviving on American loans.
who are they? we pay your fucking bills with our tax money, thanks! and what has the war reference to do with it *lame*
So stop paying the damn bills. What stops you from doing so? When will the average German discover a spine and say "enough is enough"?
germany is booming, theres no problem there (yet), and they did their due diligence on greece, they helped them out two bond terms and now its time to get real.
Germany has hidden problems that you don't see. Public Debt to GDP is around 80 percent and the banks have shit on their balance sheets. Germany risks bankruptcy if it keeps propping up the Eurozone (note I said Eurozone and not just Greece).
Enough is enough.
Actually your tax money is going to the bankers. They're just using Greece to do it.
Still fighting WWII and holding it over the Germans heads when it suits them.
Notice there is nothing said about the LYING Greeks who got them in the mess they are in.
So if they lie, you stop paying their interest and principal. No one is being forced to do anything here whether Greek or German.
So Karolos Papoulias was born in June 1929, son of a Major-General and he gets paid 300,000 Euros - quite a contrast with Angela Merkel on 228,000 Euros - still Germany isn't that well off now it's found all those distant relatives to support. It was his house they firebombed, so he had to make a gesture
What's a bit hard to understand is why the Greeks are resisting the 130 billion infusion.
If the trade unions and politicians agreed to go through the motions to satisfy their EU masters, they would be better off.
Excluding what Lord Elgin did, the EU is not going to cart off their antiquities after a debt default, which seems to be inevitable.
To quote Gabby Johnson: "RAVARUND"!
Alzheimers is a bad thing when you are president
Grease going downhill, a slippery slope it is.
Seriously?
We can do "without the German boot" but we have no problem getting on our knees and sucking on her wallet? wow
whae do u call a Greek with a sheep under his arm? Lucky
what do u call a Greek with 2 sheep under his arms? A pimp
Nuff said
Who are the Germans, the Dutch and the Fins? They are the ones that are going to save your sorry ass with their people's taxpayer's money. Unless of course you keep up this attitude and you won't get none.
Durden, your bigoted readers brain rot has infected you. One reaps what one sows, not the other way around. And, hopefully the haters here will do just that.
banal statement
could you be more specific on what issue troubles your bland mind?
Brain rot is my middle name. HATE! HATE! HATE!
Hope it validates you Monday. Sounds like your ticket needs it.
Greek President (And Nazi Resistance Fighter) Lashes Out At "German Boot" For Pushing Country To The Brink
Biting the hand that's over-fed him (Greek suicide socialism)
I'm thinking 'stupid move' here
NOOOOOOOOO, BULLSHIT [3rd to last P].
This is exactly why Greeks are so pissed off. Because the first bailout package was INTENDED to screw us FROM THE START. EU/GER did not follow up with the things it was supposed to, & promised, re: firewalls, EuroBonds [which were explicitly promised to ALL trading desks in Greece by N.Europe offices that they were coming--THAT'S the real reason Greek banks bought Greek govt debt] & many more such as the investment/"Marshall" plan. They lent us €150b or so & paid/buttressed themselves & retrenched their debt vs GRE, instead of helping which was the deal. Not saying the economic path Greece was on was sustainable. But it was not outta control until rates exploded and it didnt and DOES NOT need THESE reforms which are random & throwing darts at the wall. Now, I admit our politicians have acted like IDIOTS throughout, & that cuts would be needed, etc, etc, etc, BUT BUT BUT ... you, the Europeans, you tell me Greek politicians are corrupt because they lied to you time and again over the last few years, and you make an issue of this now, AFTER you've put us another €150b in the hole & have allowed the interest to explode on the rest of the debt & are holding a gun to our head? WHO ARE THEY BULLSHITTING? Does anyone think this was the scenario presented to Greek leadership 2+yrs ago? So, the German plan was to FUCK US from the START and this is not lost on the people who dont have the constraints of diplomacy to worry about. Moreover, there's another massive factor as to what Germany is up to, but I wont go into it. But, a Greek, IN GREECE, ON THE GROUND, can SEE IT, as it's a DAILY EVENT what they [Germans & other Europeans, ESPECIALLY the British] are trying to do. So, while the Germans have many valid points, exactly how fucking bankrupt is Germany if you need to fucking vulture Greece for fuck's sake? Moreover, one can confirm the sinister nature of Germany's approach towards Greece when one contrasts the straightforward way they made RIGHT AWAY to Italy, the demands they're making NOW to GRE--but naturally, they cant ringfence *that* debt so the approach has to be different.
Moreover, I'm honestly the most German-friendly person you can meet. If any Germans think these policies & this behavior is not going to turn around AND FUCK GERMANY IN THE ASS in the future, you're retarded. Merkel is confirming the worst chauvinistic fears of .... EVERY other country in the EU, and additionally, how German-friendly can these policies be if you're doing London's bidding? Did everyone in Berlin become retarded all of a sudden?
Greek politicians .... leave alot to be desired. But I CAN say this. This route is NOT the cowardly route. Some of these people will go to prison for these actions. Some may even be killed. And ALL of them are BURNT and FINISHED politically. They fucked up, in almost every way. No doubt. But these moments, this is NOT the cowardly way out. Also, those who bad-mouth us as liars & cheaters are the same ones who say we should've just defaulted 2+yrs ago, but dont see that we chose then & TRY to choose now to stand by our obligations. This OUGHT TO MATTER. So again, what are the Germans up to? Greeks know.
Finally, a note: MOST of the terms of this bailout have WORSE conditions than what Greece agreed to in reconstruction loans to Germany after WWii.
One more note: Germans setting a precedent for fighting EU-wide political ideology battles by proxy in smaller nations is another thing that will backfire in a HUUUUUUUUGE way. And all the Germans who celebrate a potential demise of the EU, who exactly do you think has the MOST to lose? And what good is it gonna do you to be GER w/DEM now that the Polack DDR bitch sold all your Cos to China?!
Once again, Greeks are pissed off because they know Germany intended to screw Greece FROM THE START.
Just stop accepting the money from the North. I don't mean just this bailout money, but also the billions of free subsidies greeks receive annually from EU budget. I can assure you that at least the finns won't mind, and I'm pretty sure that germans and the dutch won't be very upset either.
Greeks have been the by far biggest receivers of EU funds, billions after billions of totally free development aid money flowing from the North for decades. You fuckers managed to waste it all. And then you decided that it wasn't stupid and corrupt enough, and maxed out your national credit card.
And now you start bad-mouthing those hands that feed you. Just how freaking stupid nation are you? Please exist the EMU and enjoy your freedom from Nothern evilness.
I cant disagree with anything you said. But, Germans & the rest of the EU *knew* this about Greek politicians. Didnt seem to bother them all these years. In fact, they waited until the nation was maxed-out in debt & bankrupt to start pulling this shit--see my point? This behavior would've bee VERY WELCOME just TWO YEARS AGO for ex. Answer me this, Ger says the GRE PM is a crook & then lends him *another* €150? Why?
Here is an insightful view of the German-Greek relationship from a German citizen responding to website comments on the Global Debt Crisis authored by PANAGIOTIS TRAIANOU, National Liberation Front - ??? ?’ :
“Good morning. Im from Germany. So, my English is not very good, but i try to say my opinion. But this is only the way how I think it is, the most German people hate "Nazis" but they know nothing from this time and the real history. So they dont argue and only blame. The first and important thing you have to know about "Germany" is what is Germany. We had a "deutsches Reich" since 1872. This happened because France and other always attacked us, so we had to stay together. Than 1914 the first world war started and "ended" in 1919. We got a system "Weimarer Verfassung" nobody voted for. Some parts of Germany were occupied and we have to pay high for compensation for war losses. This time can also be called second Reich. Since than our country was treated by jews and puppets in the parlament. So the people voted a party called NSDAP, because they were the only ones who speaked for the normal people. 1933 Hitler was voted.* He gave jobs and a perspective. But the best and worst thing he has dne, to build an own moneytradingsystem where the banksters of the world can not earn any more. this was why the german economy grow. so the "worldjews" declared war an germany (not on hitler).(“Daily Express” 24.03.1933. So the German politicans decided that all jews werent allowed to take place in high offices any more. but every puppet government boycott german product. the polish treated the German people very hard in the still occupied landscapes. So they had to intervene on GERMAN ground. but than the puppets from england and france declared germany (the third Reich) war without a reason. germany had some good partners, but in the end 50 countries were in the state of war with Germany, so they divided our country, killed million over million people…distributed 15 million people of the real eastgermany and took their land and houses. in the ddr they grabbed all industry. in westgermany were three parts. about the holocaust im not allowed to say something, because i have to go to prison... but search logically how the gas chambers could have worked or not and who profits from this story of history. we had to use their money "D-mark", a debtmoneysystem. we had to work hard the last 60 years to pay for jews and many other countries. we are still occupied. here are 100000 thousands soldiers from the usa. we have a puppet government, what is not realy a government, its an administration like in a company. the german REich still exists and we are pranked by the BRD. The BRD is not Germany. The UN was founded to conduct war against the German Reich and it is still so. we are still an enemy nation. we still do not have a constitution. we still arent reunited and do not have a peace treaty!!! Our BRD-SYSTEM has to do what the occupiers want, these are the contracts. So when you think the "german-government" is doing something, you have to know washington london paris and moskau are the ones who decides. I study politics and law. I know what Im saying. If you have detail questions about what I had sayed, simply ask and I try to get clarity. Im afraid that another time in history we are the ones who get blaimed. The normal german people know nothing what is going on. we hear nothing important in our media. We arent rich, we only work day by day and many are dismal.
The reason, why Greece are the first who get taken by the moneysystem, is (so i think) because you have so much petroleum and they have to try out as far as possible they can go until the people riot. Many from the alternative media stay to you greece and want to support you. But here the normal massmedia says you are only "lazy". we have to focuse together on the real enemy. it the moneysystem with their profiteurs.
Here in Germany we werent asked if we want the EURO, we get never asked and cant vote. Everything got more expansive. And our media and education system is not free. we have to learn the history how the conquerer of the war teaches us. We got chemtrailing over and over. Our food is poisend. and so on. yes, we have many dumbasses who dont know what is going on. but here we have the biggest propaganda worldwide i think. Please ask if something is vague.
Keep up the resistance.
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/germany-disgrace-of-europe.html
*NOTE: In the second round of the 1932 election (Weimar Republic law provided that a candidate needed to receive an absolute majority of votes), the people elected Paul von Hindenburg of the Independent Party. Hindenburg, under political pressure, appointed Hitler as Chancellor of Germany in January 1933.
Hitler succeeded Hindenburg as head of state only two years later, when Hindenburg's death brought his term to a premature end in 1934. After the president's death Hitler abolished the office entirely to replace it with the new position of Führer und Reichskanzler ("Führer and Reich Chancellor"), and cement his dictatorship. (clarification mine)
Sort of strange logic there, like
"OK, we're suckers and YOU KNEW IT ... so, why bother ?"
"When you rob people of their democracy, when they can no longer control their destiny through the ballot box then all they are left with is nationalism and violence. I can only hope and pray that the Euro project is destroyed by the markets before that really happens." - Nigel Farage
I'm not sure what is more laughable.... the paranoid jew hater who writes in bold text or greece. Hmmm
ZH sometimes borders on the "Future/Wannabe Despot" club. Might want to filter out some of the ad hominem.
The Dow Jones version I saw read: "I do not accept having my country taunted by Mr Schaeuble. As a Greek I do not accept it. Who is Mr Schaeuble to taunt Greece?"
Luckily, the entire angry exchange was caught on video.
What a day for Greece. First the EU demands they produce another shrubbery, and now with the taunting. Next thing you know they'll insist the Greeks cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with a herring.
Nit!
Some day, if we all survive this idiocy, I'm going to do a mash up. Just too perfect a fit. Hmmm... Monti (sic) Python? '
"I one more time, Wolfgang, unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! So, you think you could out-clever us French folk with your silly knees-bent running about advancing behavior?! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you cheesy lot of second hand electric donkey-bottom biters!"