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Guess The Politician... And Follow The Money

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A few days ago we presented a roster of the top contributors to Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign as reported by OpenSecrets. Today we have done the same for two other candidates, representing two previous election cycles: 2008 and 2004. The first table shows Romney's key contributors to date. The other two are the blacklined candidates. We are confident everyone can guess who they are, but just in case they are presented unredacted below the chart. It is ironic that nothing really changes at the end of the day in terms of whose bidding is ultimately performed by the president, whoever it may be. We have highlighted those Romney donors who are identical to previous campaign cycles.

For the 3 confused people out there, here is the same chart but unredacted .

Source: OpenSecrets here, here and here.

And due to popular request, here is John McCain '08, whom Goldman liked about 75% less than O'Bama.

Here are some relatively pertinent words on the matter from Jon Stewart from circa 4 years ago (h/t nolsgrad).


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Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:44 | 2069747 Mactheknife
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There is NO doubt about it...we have the best politicians that money can buy.

Ron Paul or bust.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:53 | 2069770 economics1996
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The second one is Obama.  Third one is Bush.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:20 | 2069826 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Does Paul take donations in gold, because if he does, he just made some money during the Asian open.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:46 | 2069892 lineskis
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Just bet where Goldman gives the most! It's that simple! :)

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:06 | 2069954 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Gold, man, either just sold of, or we are going to hit $1700 tomorrow.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:16 | 2069968 Harlequin001
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Can someone please explain wtf the US Government is doing contributing to anyone's campaign funding? Unless of course, it's everyone's campaign funding...

It has to be said though, as far as it goes, National Amusements certainly got their money's worth this year. I've been splitting my sides listening to these clowns for well, just too long now...

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:48 | 2070016 DeadFred
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Some guy who works for the USDA and contributes gets listed as US Gov. Same with the rest of the groups. Have to do it that way or else some company could funnel contributions through their employees and never show on the radar screen. The Government is contributing even bigger right now as the ESF plunge protection team is ramping futures to make three of three primaries with overnight ramp jobs. Ron Paul loses a lot of potential support from the people with two minute attention spans when they say "What problems with the economy? Isn't the DOW up big today?" This will happen EVERY election until the nomination is in the bag. I wish there was an ETF that went bullish for pre-primary futures.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:22 | 2070072 nmewn
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"Some guy who works for the USDA and contributes gets listed as US Gov. Same with the rest of the groups."


I would call it double counting of real economic earnings to actually spend...but what the hell, they're just printing at leisure now.

So...where's my check? ;-)

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:51 | 2070099 goldfish1
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Tue, 01/17/2012 - 10:47 | 2070909 YHC-FTSE
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"Sickening". Ditto.


I guess people in the airforce and navy are smarter than the people in the army as they are not listed on the contributor roster.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 11:15 | 2070998 Badabing
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US Army $169,020

US Dept of Defense $146,356

US Government $202,938

US Government $513,308

US Government $295,786

US Dept of Defense $279,157

US Dept of state $225,150


All taxpayer money, the Government is outofcontrol!

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:33 | 2070167 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Lehman Brothers and Wachovia were contributors to Bush and McCain, but haven't given anything to Romney. Is it something against Mormons?

I don't see Bear Stearns except for Bush in 2004. They must be putting their money on Gingrich and Santorum.


Tue, 01/17/2012 - 03:46 | 2070371 ogra
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Look under JP Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo....

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 01:25 | 2070227 Cadavre
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Thanks - saw that too: NY close bid 1644 - 24 Hr spot as of this post ready to kiss 1660.

24 Hr USD index below close and trying to climb back.

Dr. Paul must have gone over well with debate viewers.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:48 | 2069903 seek
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I don't think so, but he's said many times a substantial portion of his savings is in gold, and he started saving the moment is was legal to do so again (e.g. he was buying in the mid 70s and probably has entry positions that are sub-$100 from that time.)


Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:04 | 2069948 francis_sawyer
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well that ices it...

Whichever a55hole wins now will probably sign a new bill to confiscate all gold now (starting with Dr. Paul's stash)...

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 01:21 | 2070210 akak
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Not to quibble, but the price of gold has never been below $100 since ownership of it was legalized in the USA on January 1, 1975.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:41 | 2070179 Cadavre
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The reporting is all over the place. There's individual contributions, employee contributions, campaign contributions and PAC contributions.

The US Government was the tell,  However, AIG is not on that list. AIG gave the Obambi either a $104K fix or a $130K fix or a $112K fix or a $101K fix  (I had a link - but can't find it - saying AIG chummed the Obambi a $800K fix). Anyway you look at it - a less than a million bucks bribe  for a 30 Billion return - Obambi sure must have a real purty mouth (an' be able to deliver the slurpy sweet like a crack whore paying the sincerest  homage ever for a dime rock)!

I didn't cheat, honest!

BTW: The recap on fox news showed the results of a twitter poll - Dr. Paul got the green (honest responses) for all categories - all the others had [only] deep reds for most of the categories (why is Dr. Paul not center stage - they always got him near the bus station). [Should be in a] Sanitarium lied. Said SS was in a deficit - SS is running surplus - the only defict in SS are the UST's the congress keeps swapping for the cash).

Almost expected Flip Romney to unzip a "skin" suit to reveal an "Obama" hiding inside.

God Speed Dr Paul!

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:59 | 2070197 Al Gorerhythm
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"The second one is Obama.  Third one is Bush."

Thanks. Now who are those other two dopey bastards out there?

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 01:38 | 2070246 monoloco
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The bets are hedged, it's heads we win tails you lose, the oligarchy is firmly in control.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 04:26 | 2070384 Karl von Bahnhof
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I go vomit...

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 06:41 | 2070429 blueridgeviews
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I would guess the same. University of California and Harvard as donors....has to be Obuma. I noticed it takees a lot more money to influence a Democrat than a Republican.  What's up with that?

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:57 | 2069779 Sam Clemons
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Wise man.  I added a Ron Paul column to it.  It is a bit strange that so many veterans (who would likely not immediately fiscally benefit from us ending the empire) support him.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:30 | 2069847 Vlad Tepid
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They would benefit from not allowing the executive branch to widow and orphan their family during another "intervention" or kinetic action" and they know it.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:57 | 2069927 NidStyles
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So not dying in some foreign shit stain conflict isn't an immediate fiscal benefit now?

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 19:36 | 2098126 Silver Bug
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Another pay off.


Pandora Style Beads

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:08 | 2070119 AL_SWEARENGEN

What a bunch of cocksuckers in the crowd at the Myrtle beach GOP debate tonight!  They cheered and lusted for more war as all the empty suits on stage (except Ron Paul) spoon fed them earfulls of lies, wickedness, and bullshit.  Wolves in sheep's clothing all of them.  Only Ron Paul argued for the golden rule and he was booed for it!  Fox news graciously allotted time for such booing   WTF is the matter with people?  Once again we sit at the tip of financial armagedon and once again they are trying to take us to war. 

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:15 | 2070131 The Old Man
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Time to go back and live like it was in Deadwood. Sir.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:29 | 2070157 AL_SWEARENGEN

We may be headed back without a choice.  Wouldn't be all that bad really.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:10 | 2070128 whstlblwr
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We just finish watching debate. They're making Ron Paul look weak on defense.

He's right that there should be a golden rule on foreign policy, but so many think if we don't kill them over there first, then they'll come here and kill us. So Ron Paul needs to show us he's strong too and he'd kill. Make a stronger point of this. Because right now some perceive there are lots of scary terrorists who are trying to kill us and Ron Paul won't protect us from them. It would be better if next time they ask him question on foreign policy he talks of who he'd kill, for the blood thirsty. He did it a little tonight when he talked about Osama bin Laden but it was mixed up.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:13 | 2069810 Eireann go Brach
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Myself and Austin Powers just woke up from being cryogenically frozen for the past 6 years. We turned on the TV and there was a man from Kenya calling himself the president delivering a speech about hope and change from a Teleprompter! What the fuck happened?

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:47 | 2069897 blindman
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the ship of hope hit the
iceberg of change and now
change is sinking hope.
america is just ireland housing
another of the queens printing
presses and without the brogue.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:56 | 2070106 Manthong
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You died in the freezer.

You're in hell now.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:25 | 2069838 Long-John-Silver
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I can't understand how $16+ trillion of debt is not considered going bust already.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:46 | 2069891 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Because a dollar ain't what it used to be.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:56 | 2069924 nmewn
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How long before all debt equals the entire worlds GDP?

Are we there yet, are we there yet?

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:00 | 2069936 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Good question

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:15 | 2069971 Goldilocks
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Way past that (i think)
By now it’s likely @ multiples of the world's GDP
(but who’s counting?)

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:17 | 2069972 nmewn
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I think we're already there. The multiplier effect is actually division my man.

Its just how they think ;-)

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:10 | 2069962 francis_sawyer
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I've heard that all the debt & derivatives pile (including unfunded liabilities) is valued somewhere around a quadrillion dollars, while the world GDP is something like $70 trillion...

I've also heard that the Rothschild's private family fortune is estimated at around $500 trillion...

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:22 | 2069984 nmewn
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Its an impressive amount of air pressure isn't it?

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 07:25 | 2070444 Al Gorerhythm
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I percieve it the other way; more of a vacuum. Like a black hole.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:42 | 2070010 blindman
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you can't understand because it is incomprehensible,
the terms don't mean what you think they mean. they
mean whatever the bankers want them to mean and only
when they want them to mean what they want. the rabbit hole.
it is so because a sovereign issuer of fiat currency
can never go "bust". one of these has the legal right to
print the money, or create it digitally, to the point of
devaluation where it becomes nearly worthless, but this
is not the same thing as going bust as an actor within the
system would experience. in that case there is a systemic
resolution of debts and assets. in the meta systemic case
there is just devaluation of everything and over time till
the system is dropped instantly. everybody goes bust at once.
the sovereign then is faced with the choice of dissolution
or re establishment, or re volution and no one here has
seen the likes of it not to mention the dollar is a global
currency. the other thing is the debt in the system is
the actual money in the system, that is the debt that can
and will be paid. the rest of the debt, which was spent or
is being spent, was the money but much of it is not in
any circulation and is instead sunk into assets, positions,
outsourced out of the national economy. it is beyond comprehension
what goes on in this global currency war, for me anyway.
the trend however seems to indicate that the debt money system
is disconnecting from the realities of local economies in that
the purpose of the money system as it is sold to the people,
business of production and services, has been rehypothecated
to enable value extraction at a distance. like a leveraged buy
out of the entire system is taking place? seems like stealing to me.
fiat money is a confidence game based on the bond markets and such.
time. a time ponzi on top of a speculative growth ponzi, it works
until it doesn't?

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:01 | 2070113 arizona11912
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Hi Long John Silver,

When you own the Petrodollar system you can defy accounting. At least temporarly.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:57 | 2069929 Muddy1
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My dad always said that the 2 lowest forms of life on the planet were bankers and lawyers.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:53 | 2070102 keepusfree
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Further explanation here:

Even with Ron Paul, we will have a huge battle ahead. Without him it will be far worse.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 08:29 | 2070488 flattrader
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Ron Paul is a Christian Reconstructionist Theocratic nutbball.  I'm surprised he isn't getting more traction in South Carolina.  Protestant extremists who form the core of GOP primary voters are fighting amoung themselves at this point.  The oddly favor Santorum when they have a shot at establishing Old Testament law once RP's minions control state governments.

I think the problem is that most Americans do like their government secular...or at least they may not care if gays get stoned and women have no access to abortion, but they do draw the line at the death penalty for adultery.

Hard to fuck the neighbor's wife if you need to worry about public stoning.


Ron Paul touts endorsement of pastor who defends death penalty for gays, delinquent children & adultery



>>>Though a committed Baptist, Paul writes on his website, “My faith is a deeply private issue to me, and I don’t speak on it in great detail during my speeches because I want to avoid any appearance of exploiting it for political gain.”


Nevertheless, Paul’s support among the country’s most committed theocrats is deep and longstanding, something that’s poorly understood among those who simply see him as a libertarian. That’s why it wasn’t surprising when the Paul campaign touted the endorsement of Phil Kayser, a Nebraska pastor with an Iowa following who calls for the execution of homosexuals. Nor was it shocking to learn that Mike Heath, Paul’s Iowa state director, is a former board chairman of “Americans for Truth About Homosexuality,” which the Southern Poverty Law Center classifies as a hate group. Should Paul win the Iowa caucuses, it will actually be a triumph for a fundamentalist faction that has until now been considered a fringe even on the Christian right.<<<




>>>>Ron Paul has long been a favorite politician of Christian Reconstructionists. (Gary) North was a Paul staffer during the Texas congressman’s first term and has called him the “mahatma of self-government.” As Adele Stan reported on Alternet, in 2008, Howard Phillips, a Christian Reconstructionist who founded the Constitution Party, was the keynote speaker at the rally Paul convened in the shadow of the Republican convention. (That year, Paul endorsed the Constitution Party candidate for president over John McCain.) “The people who I know who are big Ron Paul guys are old school Reconstructionists,” says Paul supporter Brian D. Nolder, the pastor of Christ the Redeemer Church in Pella, Iowa.


It might seem that Paul’s libertarianism is the very opposite of theocracy, but that’s true only if you want to impose theocracy at the federal level. In general, Christian Reconstructionists favor a radically decentralized society, with communities ruled by male religious patriarchs. Freed from the power of the Supreme Court and the federal government, they believe that local governments could adopt official religions and enforce biblical law.<<<


Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:53 | 2070103 keepusfree
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Further explanation here:

Even with Ron Paul, we will have a huge battle ahead. Without him it will be far worse.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 02:37 | 2070311 old naughty
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but but we must follow the money... And GS think three GOP candidates/leaders couldn't match a Dem one?

Or was it affected by inflation?


Tue, 01/17/2012 - 05:25 | 2070408 financial apoca...
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i think its over for paul tonight
his debate performance was not his best to say the least and this was probably his last chance to place a dent on the romney juggernaut, which he failed to do.
too bad his foreign policy is the most logical one, but he just did a shoddy job of articulating it tonight and south carolina loves the military.
now i think that pathetic "i worked in the pvt sector" bitch has it all sown up
what a shame

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 09:41 | 2070675 flattrader
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No.  Not over.

He'll launch his third party candidacy after the South Carolina primary.

Another Money Bomb for the new effort which will blow holes in his supporters' pockets.


Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:42 | 2069748 financial apoca...
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fuck em

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:44 | 2069754 I think I need ...
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i'm feelin the news feed is sllllooooooow

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:45 | 2069756 JustPrintMoreDuh
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Talk about ROI!!  

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:52 | 2069771 Dr. Richard Head
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No shit! Many of the pirates....I mean financial firms get 1,000s of % return.

By the way, the bottom is in on silver, as I have traded a big position (in my finacial capacity at least) for a pimped out finished basement. I want to fiddle while this shit burns in my music studio.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:44 | 2069884 BigJim
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The zombies will never think of looking for you in there!

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:52 | 2070024 Bananamerican
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well, they did stop making records in the 60's....

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:45 | 2069757 Sabibaby
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I was thinking Haliburton would be in that list but I guess US Department of Defense is close enough. I notice we also have US Government in there.


Not sure if this is a good sign for the contributors though.... Look how many no longer exist or have been Zombiefied...

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:00 | 2069784 chunga
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I expected the banking slobs but that stuck out like a sore thumb. Something doesn't seem right about the government contributing to itself.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:49 | 2069905 azusgm
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Remember that little checkoff box on your 1040? The one about designating $1 of your taxes to go to the next presidential campaign?


Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:07 | 2069956 Kali
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That maybe explains part of the US Government, but DoD and State Dept?  This should not be allowed. 

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:32 | 2069995 Sabibaby
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Thanks that's why we visit ZeroHedge... 

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:35 | 2069998 Sabibaby
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Acctually, US Tax Payer would be more approproiate... 

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:50 | 2070098 MissCellany
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It's $3 nowadays. Inflation sucks.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:19 | 2069825 xela2200
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Just goes to show You how government starts to feed on itself. I am sure if you question any of these entities they will have rational justification for using public funds in campaign ads. All proof that governments need to be kept as small as absolutely necessary. As nothing more than a necessary evil.

We need to establish the voucher system Milton Friedman mentioned so many times. Maybe that way we can get them thinking and away from this compulsory brain washing we got going. That includes churches. No tax exemption for them. It makes other private schools uncompetitive.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:51 | 2069911 azusgm
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Only if the churches can tax the government.

Separation of church and state.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:20 | 2070067 xela2200
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If a church opens a school, then it is not a church anymore. It is a business, and it should be taxed accordingly.

Separation of church and state means get the church out of governing. Just like the Vatican influence did for over 300 years in Europe.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 01:33 | 2070238 forexskin
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if the government opens a school it should get out of governing. separation of individual and state

yea, we really need less choice in the social engineering by the statists...


Tue, 01/17/2012 - 09:51 | 2070711 flattrader
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Perhaps you're not aware that many private schools are tax exempt.

The rich are famouns for their use of tax exempt status to benefit themselves.

There is a difference between charitible (deductible contributions) tax exempt and non-profit (no deductible contributions) tax exempt.

The rich who run non-profit tax exempt schools aren't competitive.  They don't need to be.

Vochers won't solve much of anything.  Poor or middle income parents couldn't make up the difference to send their kids to a good school if the school chose to set tuition above the voucher rate.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:47 | 2069761 Dr. Richard Head
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But when you present this information to the masses; 1/3 don't give a shit, 1/3 tell you that is how the system works, and the other 1/3 tell you "Shhhhhh! The game is on."

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:59 | 2069782 Arvo Particleboard
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Shhhhhh! The game is on.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:11 | 2069811 xela2200
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1/3 says We got to have faith in our government

1/3 They are smarter than us, so let them do their thing

1/3 USA number 1 Yeahhhhh

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:38 | 2069869 francis_sawyer
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"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that"

- George Carlin

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:13 | 2069969 francis_sawyer
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Oh... we could go on...

"There ought to be a theoretical limit as to how stupid a person could actually be"

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:45 | 2070013 i-dog
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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter"  ... Winston Churchill.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:13 | 2070054 xela2200
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Let's have a constitutional republic instead. Oh wait.... Never mind

It was nice while it lasted

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:04 | 2070042 logically possible
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and vote.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:08 | 2070125 Pants McPants
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I'm nitpicking here, but average does not equal 50% or half as the quote states. I think George meant to say median, but that kinda diminishes the joke's appeal.

Given how clever George was (RIP my good man) he'd likely get a chuckle out of its misinterpretation.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:57 | 2070033 andyupnorth
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When you present this information to the masses:

1/3 says "We got to have faith in our government"
1/3 tells you "That is how the system works"
1/3 exhibit sudden-frontal-lobe-injury syndrome

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:54 | 2070104 RockyRacoon
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So far I've counted 12 thirds.  That's some fractionalization!

I dug the Carlin quote.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:08 | 2070123 DB Cooper
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Fractional re-hypothecation

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:44 | 2069885 pods
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The ignorance is by choice. One tough lesson I have learned.  People LIKE being a mushroom.


Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:59 | 2069933 Fred Hayek
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Yup. Reminds me of a story from way back in the 1920's at the famous Algonquin Hotel round table, they used to sometimes play a word game in which someone would say a word and the next person had to immediately use it in a good sentence. One afternoon, a woman at the table carefully sounded out "horticulture". The next "player" was Dorothy Parker who immediately said, "You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think." So true.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:16 | 2070060 xela2200
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Stupid people are happy. If You are smart, You will be lonely, perpetually frustrated, ridiculed, and ostracized.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:54 | 2070191 URZIZMINE
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....Leader...Tell me where to go....Tell me what to do......

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 09:23 | 2070625 Calmyourself
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So true and woe to you if you try to educate them..  Mushrooms get hostile if you turn on a light..

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:47 | 2069764 nmewn
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These were/are your choices.

Choose wisely ;-)

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:17 | 2069813 Goldilocks
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false dilemma ‘;-)

...other more colorful expressions, withheld.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:21 | 2069829 Dr. Richard Head
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I will let them go for you then...

It's like my left testicle fighting with my right one prior to fucking.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:26 | 2069841 MsCreant
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Thing is, with that fucking, there is a good outcome (unless I missed something in your analogy, being ballless and all...)

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:41 | 2069875 Goldilocks
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all roads lead to... ???
(some sort of pot at the end of the rainbow ;-)

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:32 | 2069848 nmewn
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The worst part is we put ourselves in this position every time. Until we strip the limited power away from Wall Street & the Fed we will remain locked in our cells right here.

Its always been about power & money. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

Our power comes from concerted action. We can use it or abuse it. The wonderful thing about it is, raw power trumps money everytime, everywhere ;-)

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:47 | 2069765 Yes_Questions
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Condy and Rummy gave to Bushy in 04?

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:51 | 2069767 francis_sawyer
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No wonder Soupy Sales never got elected... 

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:08 | 2069802 ZippyBananaPants
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And if, just imagine if, Soupy would have won!!  We would be better off today!

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:45 | 2069879 tekhneek
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Now they are wasting our tax money in political campaigns.


they ... never stopped wasting our tax money in political campaigns.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if they (the Fed) outsourced money printing to Goldman Sachs a long time ago...

"Woops! Lloyd, we left the printer on about $100 billion too long on accident... should we "burn" it?"

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:53 | 2069916 knukles
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Fannie and Freddie were for many years some of the largest contributors in aggregate dollars spent as well as to the Congresscritters responsible for their oversight.
"Let's roll the dice and see what happens." (Barney UKnowWho with his finger in some YouKnoWhat)

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:13 | 2070055 azusgm
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You can bet those good folks at HUD are "spending wisely".

C-SPAN played this November 2nd House subcommittee hearing this weekend on C-SPAN 3.

Had no idea why C-SPAN would choose to devote 3hr 6min airtime to that particular two month old hearing.

Now I understand. The hearing was a parade of dysfunction and corruption in nice suits. The first two witnesses were convicted fraudsters, but their crimes were nothing, nothing in comparison to the derelict behavior of the regulatory enforcement people on the second panel, who in turn had to be angels compared to some of the congressmen who were actively pimping for HUD.

If you ever had any doubt that we are totally screwed, please feel free to take a three hour trip down the rabbit hole with Maxine Waters, et al as your guides.

It gets worse and worse.


Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:57 | 2070032 Jena
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Pat Paulson, not Soupy Sales.  Paulson was the perennial candidate. Sales never ran for office he just got pied in the face a lot.  That's where you get them confused.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:28 | 2070078 francis_sawyer
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How about "RON PAULson" (& we'll just call it a day)?

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 13:49 | 2071567 Jena
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Fair enough.  

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:51 | 2069769 Clycntct
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Can we see the same stat for Bush but also for 2008?

Playing both sides.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:54 | 2069772 Dr.Vannostrand
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I guess the UC schools have been raising tutition last couple of years to fill void left by the donations to Hopey Mcshitpants. Professor Ned Beaty Romer up @ Cal better get some "bake" sales going on @ Berkeley to raise some more funds for the TOTUS (for medical use only of course). Ahhh, I love my fucked up state.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:09 | 2069807 xela2200
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No, they are using your tax money to give it to politicians. Yes, you live in a fucked up state. Too bad, it has nice weather and mostly nice people.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:18 | 2069820 Dr.Vannostrand
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This I am aware of my friend; simply making a goof, or was i? Weather is great, some good peeps, a lot of fake ones (people and breasts), and you can get a quality burrito pretty much anywhere anytime of night. But the pols are horrible and the citizens clueless; I'm doing my part, hopefully many more in my generation (30yr old) are as well, because everything that is going on today in the world, well, sucks.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:24 | 2069835 MsCreant
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Welcome Dr. I'd say come on in, the water's fine, but it ain't, it's close to boiling. Your crew is my best hope for us all. Some one has to clean up this mess we have left you.

Fake everything is getting under my skin these days. The next trend will be towards authentic. They will try to engineer that too.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:54 | 2069919 mess nonster
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I have some very, VERY high quality virtual authentic right here, but it's going to cost you.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:25 | 2069985 knukles
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Best used before
From Happy Cows
Eologically _____
Save the World
For you
New and Improved
For your own good
Not sold in stores
100% meat by product
Sugar free
Low Calorie
Politically Correct
Child proof
New Package Same Old Shit

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 23:05 | 2070044 nmewn
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Won't you please give the most generous amount possible?

Your kind donation of even a dollar a day will assure that the poverty stricken, homeless banker and his children will have some small comfort in their hour of need. Everyone deserves a second chance, even their pets. Throw them a bone.

Thank you.

All donations are not tax deductible and at least four cents of every dollar is guaranteed to go to the needy entities listed of your choice.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:52 | 2070021 Dr.Vannostrand
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I'm well aware, been reading ZH for a while before registering. Speaking of which, hope your home is coming along, I recall either a tornado or hurricane.
A faint glimmer of hope... Over the weekend was going to go out for friend's b-day, but it was axed last minute. the GF and I were dressed up so I said, "let's go out". Her retort, "no, let's stay home, would rather save the money for ammo". I was shocked, as she is thinks I'm nuts for the most part; but she is coming along.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:01 | 2070114 RockyRacoon
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Lucky you!  Frugal is good.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 01:15 | 2070214 MsCreant
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House is still being built, hope it is done in the next month and a half.

Tornado, no one was hurt badly. 

I co-opted my hubby by designating him to take care of stuff he is interested in any way. What ex-military guy does NOT want to cover guns and training for the family for instance. Taking her interests and concerns into consideration might get her even more invested and could be fun for the relationship. I enjoy partnering, feels good.

Best wishes.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 01:28 | 2070233 Dr.Vannostrand
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Thanks for the advice & good stuff about your home.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:33 | 2069853 mick_richfield
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Weather is great

You don't have weather, you have climate.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:43 | 2070012 Dr.Vannostrand
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Thanks for the heads up (no sarc). At times, I respond quickly and FAIL to use proper grammar. Kaliphornia edumacation for ya.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:12 | 2069814 Freddie
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Colleges are a joke now.  CA used to have great uni's but they have been wrecked along with the entire state due to PC/liberalism.   Somebody has to pay for tenured prefessors and their $450,000 a year pensions after they taught hate and grievance studies at the university.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:43 | 2069881 Jendrzejczyk
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TEE VEE made them do it.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 09:35 | 2070660 Calmyourself
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CA still has VDH and that man is a titan.  Now, if we can just get him out of there..

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:55 | 2069773 island
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"Su-prize, su-prize" says Gomer Pyle, USMC

Of course, this is no su-prize, but it does explain why I see nooses in my dreams. LOL


Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:00 | 2069938 carguym14
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Long tall trees.

Short rope.


Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:54 | 2069775 Hanging By A Thread
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Romney will go down as one of our greatest presidents - he will join the ranks of Washington and Lincoln

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 20:58 | 2069783 Jendrzejczyk
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May I borrow your thread?

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:06 | 2069798 MsCreant
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He doesn't look well hung, does he?

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:07 | 2069801 Dr.Vannostrand
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Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:11 | 2069812 Jendrzejczyk
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Don't encourage her. ;)

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:30 | 2069846 MsCreant
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I saw that.


Vee have Vays of dealink vith your kind...


Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:45 | 2069890 francis_sawyer
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I'm starting to wonder (fear) you... A couple of weeks ago, I remember you making a remark about that long hairy balls avatar dude that posts here... Then, just above... & now this...


Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:58 | 2069930 MsCreant
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Dear Francis,

Sometimes I am quite serious, and other times, I am a MsCreant. One of the things I love about Zero Hedge is that I don't have to be good. I can be as bad as I want to be and they won't ban me. Sometimes I want to be bad. A poem for you from Mary Oliver, maybe my most favorite of all. I post it from time to time and I never tire of it.

Wild Geese

You do not have to be good.
You do not have to walk on your knees
For a hundred miles through the desert, repenting.
You only have to let the soft animal of your body
love what it loves.
Tell me about your despair, yours, and I will tell you mine.
Meanwhile the world goes on.
Meanwhile the sun and the clear pebbles of the rain
are moving across the landscapes,
over the prairies and the deep trees,
the mountains and the rivers.
Meanwhile the wild geese, high in the clean blue air,
are heading home again.
Whoever you are, no matter how lonely,
the world offers itself to your imagination,
calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting --
over and over announcing your place
in the family of things.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:00 | 2069934 francis_sawyer
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One of the things I love about Zero Hedge is that I don't have to be good. I can be as bad as I want to be and they won't ban me.

+1 (and many internets)

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:39 | 2070005 DarthVaderMentor
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Damn right francis_sawyer! or even ridiculed by new sudden ID's or your mail monitored!


Rumor has it the Donglicker got so emotional he threatened to shut down the whole site......look at his last line

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 02:56 | 2070332 akak
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"Donglicker", LOL!

But now, having gone to that viper's pit via your provided link, I feel the urge to go take a shower.  Hopefully, I won't accidentally get blasted by an initial burst of cold water, or there just might be some deflation.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:58 | 2069932 Goldilocks
Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:44 | 2070009 Taint Boil
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Deleted - I learned the hard way with Ms C.

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:59 | 2070196 MsCreant
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You like to be bad too. I enjoy your posts, like your perspective.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:00 | 2069785 Dr.Vannostrand
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Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:14 | 2069816 Freddie
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Lincoln was NOT a good President.   The Civil War was a money making venture of the House of Roths***d.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:27 | 2069844 LongBalls
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Lincoln was also the whore who gave birth to executive orders. Aside from morally wanting to free slaves, Lincoln was a disaster.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:33 | 2069854 MsCreant
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Did he morally want to free slaves? I heard it was a little more complex than that. I heard he thought they were inferior, that the races should not mix, and that the government should have supported sending them back to where they came from. He wanted them to enlist so that he could have soldiers with skin in the game, so to speak.

He was a friend to slaves only in a relative way.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:49 | 2069904 francis_sawyer
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Lincoln was faced with the dilemma of fighting the South or fighting the bankers...

He caved to the bankers... Then when the war was over, they shot him...

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 02:17 | 2070292 Boxed Merlot
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At the beginning of the war the south had 15million in specie.  Northern investors had ties to the California mother lode and the Comstock in Nevada.  Ships left regularly from the US mint on the Embarcadero in San Francisco to New York City with ballasts of 1, 2 and up to 3 million in gold and silver from these mines.  These ships and cargo were owned by JPM, Andrew Carnegie and others and were used to finance the war.  In addition to the $850 paid to his replacement, Carnegie also donated a ship to Lincoln worth 1 million in the day.  The south tried to intercept these shipments but the closest they came was attacking an empty returning from NY heading to CA.

Though not involved in the physical battles per se, California’s contribution to the Union victory cannot be underestimated.  Personally, if not for the discovery of gold in the state some 10 years earlier, I wonder if cotton would not have been de-throned as king and the war not have occurred at all.   

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 02:40 | 2070313 Vlad Tepid
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Interesting story and a love a good Harry Turtledove-style yarn but I call bullshit here.  During the Civil War, Morgan was a 20-something who hadn't even made partner in a bank and Carnegie was operating railway logistics for the North...Lincoln had never heard of either of theseguys by the time hee was assassinated.  Where did you dig this up?

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 22:47 | 2070002 knukles
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One evening George and Martha were watching National Geograhic.  It was a program about the deep dark innermost unexplored reaches of Africa. It showed a band of erstwhile explorers who had stumbled upon a heretofore undiscovered tribe. They were fascinated by many of the rituals, inparticular one that the men preformed to enlarge their penises by hanging many pounds of objects therefrom.
Now, George and Martha starting to get quite old and what with Martha feeling somewhat ignored and in want of possibly her last fling before expiring, suggested to George that he try the same trick.
Being the dutiful husband, George proceeded to thread together 100 lbs of free weights which he then knotted to the end of his schlong.
Several days later, being curious, Martha asked George how it was working, to which he replied; "It's not got much longer at all, but sure has turned black."

Tue, 01/17/2012 - 01:09 | 2070207 MsCreant
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Guess George had some skin in the game too! ;-)

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 16:17 | 2075575 LongBalls
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It's a moot point in my view. They are free now and rightly so. No matter his motivation the outcome was just. That aside, he was a complete tyrant, warmonger, and treasonist enemy of the state. If indeed your facts back up history I thank you. I will look it up for myself and uphold history in the future with my statements.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:30 | 2076729 i-dog
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   "he was a complete tyrant, warmonger, and treasonist enemy of the state"

A correction: He was not an "enemy of the state", he was a friend of 'the State' and an enemy of the individual States of the Union ... by overriding the wishes of those who legitimately voted to secede, under the terms of the Constitution, and waging an imperialist war of aggression against them to force them to remain.

What he did was analagous to Brussels declaring war against the PIIGS if they chose to withdraw from the Euro ... or the US waging war against New Zealand if it chose to withdraw from the ANZUS Treaty ... or a husband beating his wife senseless and locking her in the basement if she asked for a divorce.

His actions were totally criminal and inexcusable.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 00:37 | 2077004 MsCreant
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Glad you posted that. I only learned about this last year. I bought the whole "south bad" "north good" story until then. It was really grey and complex. Opened my mind to what the Rebels saw. I don't support slavery, but the truth is neither side was clean on that count (those in power did not give a shit about them as human beings, they were a bargaining chip) and the reason they tried to sucede is that territories were occupied that, according to the terms of the Constitution, the feds promised not to do. When the feds came in "took land" and basically said "fuck you" that is when they withdrew. The terms for them Joining the US were always tentative and conditional, the feds violated a condition. Blew my mind. I've bought into southern guilt all my life and I had the story wrong. It was a big deal learning about this.

Again, things are so tense between the races, I feel a little defensive, I want to make clear, slavery is wrong (never mind we all benefit from it today with all the stuff we buy from small brown people working in factories at below subsistence wages and conditions, maybe worse than some of our slaves had it). But it is that tension that prevents folks from knowing about why individual states started to withdraw. The narrative rewritten says north educated sophisticated and good, south backwards savage and bad. Guess it is shorter to write it this way in a kid's history text (like mine was). 

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 07:58 | 2077345 i-dog
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When you look into it further, MsC, you'll find that slavery only became an issue later -- when the North looked like it was about to lose the war! The North then brought out the slavery card (the 19th century equivalent of "doing it for the children") to attempt to gain some moral high ground and thereby (successfully) improve enlistments.

The original cause of the South's secessions was over unfair tariff issues (though I've forgotten most of the details right now).

The reason you'll never find the truth in school history books is the subversion of the American education system by three founding 'Skull & Bones' members (on behalf of a foreign power, which shall remain nameless in this post). They studied Hegel together in Germany after graduating from Yale, then returned to the US to later become presidents of Yale, Johns Hopkins and Cornell and exert an extreme influence over the development of the dumbing down of America. One of them was also the founder of the Carnegie Institution (using Carnegie's money) - aligning him closely with eugenics, Morgan and Rockefeller. It's all a filthy tale, with the same players and families reappearing in scene after scene after scene, when you look under the clean white skin.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 12:52 | 2078183 MsCreant
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Funny Obama likes him so much. You know he has to know the truth!!

Nice talking with you, as always.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:40 | 2069873 Vlad Tepid
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Forced conscription, institution of a federal income tax, suspension of Habeas Corpus.  If I had to pick a favorite president who grew up in a log cabin, Andy Jackson would get my vote a lot quicker than Lincoln.

Lincoln's even on record saying that if he could save the Union and free no slaves, he would go for that option.  The Emancipation Proclamation only went into effect in Confederate States...slave-holding Union states (yeah, they had those) were exempt.

Edit: Drat! MsC beat me!  Cheers!

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 21:44 | 2069886 MsCreant
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Cheers Vlad, you did it better. Quality over speed wins every time in my book.


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