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Guest Post: The ‘Lesser Of Two Evils’ Con-Game
Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market
The ‘Lesser Of Two Evils’ Con-Game
The moral relativism of the “lesser of two evils” philosophy has been draining the heart and soul of America for decades. Many of us in the Liberty Movement understand that it is nothing new, and have come to expect the abusive and emaciated logic it entails from time to time. However, over the course of the past year it has become apparent to me that the talking points and propaganda that drive the hypocritical worldview are being utilized on an even grander scale than ever before. This fact struck me quite sharply while attending a local GOP Lincoln/Reagan dinner event while I was attempting to gauge the overall danger our country would be facing from potential RINO (Republican In Name Only) sellouts as well as what our hopes were for a possible political solution at the local and state level. The “conservative” rally was, to say the least, disappointing.
One thing that stood out plainly at this event, though, was that there was an overall template; an action plan, a message that had been pre-engineered. Someone had sent out a memo, or an email, or a guide, or perhaps beamed talking points directly into the cyborg brains of these political hacks. Their rhetoric was repetitive and uniform and dry like elbow skin. The demand was clearly stated; regardless of who won the Republican Primaries, no matter how unprincipled, how unconstitutional, how despicable, it was our “duty” as conservatives to back them through the national elections. Obama and the Democrats had to be defeated at all costs…
Now, one of the first tenets or rules that a person learns when delving into the Liberty Movement is that there is no such thing as political parties in America today. There are no conflicting interests in Washington D.C. There is no “grand battle” between left and right for the minds of the masses. It is a sham. A con. A fantasy. A false paradigm.
In reality, the leaderships of both fraudulent parties support essentially the same methodology, and that methodology could be summarized thus: Centralize everything, globalize everything, control everything, grow government power, reduce the effectiveness of the citizenry, turn the public against each other, rob them while they’re distracted. If an American does not understand this dynamic and how it is used to dominate the ebb and flow of our culture, then that American knows nothing. He is lost…
Sadly, even those of us who should very well know better than to fall into the false left/right paradigm trap do so on occasion, as has been made painfully obvious by the foolhardy actions of Rand Paul and his blank check endorsement of Mitt Romney. Certainly, this epic blunder, which seems to me to be a blind stab at political maneuvering on the part of Ron Paul’s son, has set off an angry firestorm amongst true Constitutionalists who know every lie Mitt Romney has ever told. People are using words like “betrayal”, and “traitor”, and with good reason, but let’s look at this calamity from the other side of things for a moment…
There are others out there who would applaud Rand Paul’s decision. While many of them will openly admit that they do not feel very secure in the shadow of a Romney presidency, they still rationalize their position by making the “lesser of two evils” argument. “America may be going off the edge of a cliff”, they say, “but at least Romney won’t press the gas peddle as hard as Obama”. Here are just a few of the many reasons why this way of thinking will lead to the end of our society as we know it…
Lesser Of Two Evils? There’s No Such Thing…
First of all, asserting that there is such a thing as a “lesser of two evils” is an act of naivety. It relies on a very dangerous assumption; that one can somehow quantify which candidate is going to hurt the country less. I’ve even read essays by people who pretend they can mathematically delineate the “more evil” of the evils! Not surprisingly, their “logic” invariably leads them to proclaim the lesser evil to be the candidate of the party they happen to belong to. Ignorant Republicans always see the Democrat as the greater evil, while ignorant Democrats always see the Republican as the ultimate monster.
Here’s some math for you: there are two candidates for President of the United States, one is a cannibalistic serial killer who plans to murder 20 more people with his own hands while in office. The other is a cannibalistic serial killer who only plans to kill 19 innocents personally. Which candidate do you support?
The correct answer is NEITHER.
Unless you are a fan of murder, there is no inherent difference between these two demonic bureaucrats. They both stand in opposition to the guiding principles of inborn conscience, as well as the protections provided by the laws of free people. The fact that one man will do slightly less damage during his reign is irrelevant. Is a choice between Stalin and Hitler, for instance, really a choice at all? Which one is the "lesser evil" in this equation?
Some may argue that this comparison is a bit over the top. I beg to differ. Presidents have the power not only to maim and kill en mass, but they also have the power to dismantle the laws which protect our civil liberties. To drive the point home as far as Romney and Obama are concerned, let’s watch the following video, which removes the blinders and exposes these two charlatans for what they really are; two peas in a pod:
A refusal to vote, or a vote for a third party, is not a vote for Obama, or a vote for Romney, but a vote against the charade.
There is no such thing as a “lesser evil”. Either a candidate follows the path of truth and honor, or he does not. If he does, he deserves our support. If he does not, or if both candidates are criminals, then they both must be tossed to the wayside. Just because the system has deliberately limited our choices does not mean we are required to participate in the flim-flam.
Participation Is A Duty?
I have also heard the argument that by refusing to participate within the system, and by refusing to choose a specimen from the carnival of horrors we are presented every election cycle, we are doing more harm to America than good. This is the most prevalent falsehood of our era.
The bottom line is, Americans have been dancing in the lesser of two evils pageantry for generations and our Constitutional shield has only been further degraded and destroyed in that time. I defy anyone to show how choosing Obama over McCain, or Bush over Gore, or Clinton over Bush Sr. has helped this country or its people. Where are these illusory advantages and benefits of participation? Where has our country gone while the public fettered away years trying to decide which ghoul to hand over the scepter of empire to? Or, the ultimate question; what specifically have they achieved? Have they gained anything? Has any minutia of our lives been made better by following the “lesser of two evils theory”? Only a fool would claim yes…
One might argue that a non-vote is the same as putting all bad candidates on the same footing, and that this would be “wrong”. I disagree. In an election in which all candidates share the same disparaging policies, they are ALREADY on the same footing. We simply refuse to give the farce legitimacy by casting our vote for any one of them.
In the game of chess, the primary goal is to diminish your opponent’s options. To force him into a corner where, no matter which choice he makes, he loses. Chess, however, is not life. In life, intelligent and creative individuals have the ability to walk away from the board completely and implement their own solutions. The more we continue to participate in the rigged game, and the more we continue to view the future as a series of self contained boundaries administered by the establishment instead of a wide open frontier in which all is possible, the more we will lose, until there is nothing left.
Only Cowards Compromise In The Face Of Evil
Good does not compromise with evil. As stated above, there is nothing to be gained by it. I find that the people most prone to suggesting or demanding compromise with oligarchs and tyrants are usually cowards who have never faced down any legitimate struggle in their lives with any passion. But, how do they sell this stunted philosophy to others? The illusion here is one of “reason” or “objectivity”.
Fearful men often use the guise of objectivity (even if they are not) to avoid confrontation, especially confrontation with a supposed authority figure or government. Strangely, their powers of reason and deduction invariably seem to lead them to subservience to the establishment structure. Compromise, for them, is a way to protect their flailing egos by playing the role of the “even handed citizen” while at the same time crawling towards servitude.
The argument to this position would, of course, be that many in the Liberty Movement compromise with evil everyday. That we follow laws we disagree with and that we find reprehensible, and that this makes us somehow “hypocritical”. I would say that this is a very narrow and disingenuous view.
Free minded people do not “follow” reprehensible laws so much as tolerate them while working to dismantle them (“following” infers acceptance). Being honorable and generally of good will, we look for peaceful avenues of redress and change. But, if those avenues are closed to us, and if the injustices expand, the free minded become freedom fighters. Dissent and even revolution are inevitable in the face of tyranny. It is an undeniable feature of human nature.
What I find most interesting though is the conundrum that this conflict of interest creates for the skeptical establishment slave. If the Liberty Movement tolerates bad law while searching for a peaceful path towards change, they call us hypocritical. If the Liberty Movement abandons tolerance and bring force to bear against tyranny and its abuse of the law, they call us “fringe extremists”. Apparently, the only way we can be correct in the eyes of self proclaimed objectivists is if we bow to the constraints of the system, sit back, keep our mouths shut, and enjoy the bread and circuses.
The Greatest Evil Is Moral Relativism
Collectivist governments seek to encourage extreme moral flexibility. Totalitarian regimes cannot survive otherwise. The lesser of two evils sales pitch is, in the end, an extension of the methodology of moral relativism. It trains us to embrace the status quo, whether we like it or not, and to continuously rationalize our adherence to the sham just to get through the day. The mental gymnastics we are required to perform become more complex and unstable. Eventually, in order to ease our consciences which are screaming in agony at the pit of our chests, we have to stop caring about anything, and just go through the motions of participation.
This is not the way to freedom.
There are other ways to secure liberty beyond elections, but for these strategies to be effective, we have to stop asking for permission from the establishment before we take action. Perhaps you seek to step outside the box and away from the controlled paradigm. Perhaps you seek to confront the system head on, either exposing its duplicity and evil, or erasing it as an obstacle completely. The system, its laws, and its political theater are of no consequence, especially when it has been so corrupted.
Moral relativists, though keen on the idea of mutable law, enjoy the trappings of the law as long as it is to their benefit. The law, as I have pointed out in the past, is arbitrary, and always has been. The only true law is the law of inherent and universal conscience. My conscience, as with most other people, tells me that choosing the “lesser of two evils” (an illogical abstraction) sends a message to the elitists that manipulate our culture that I am willing to help them perpetuate their fiction. I become an accomplice in the crime. I commit self mutilation. I give power to the lie.
Such institutionalized misery can only be undone by uncompromising men and women who put principles and conscience before comfort, or even before their own lives. All throughout history, this is how wrong is undone. No society ever changed for the better by casting aside their beliefs and their individualism. No society ever changed for the better by choosing the lesser of two evils. No society ever changed for the better by holding out the hand of friendship to despots, maniacs, and con-men in the hopes that they would be spared just a little less tragedy before their time on this Earth is over…
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Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz...ad nauseum.
They are all fawning parasites to their self-serving masters, the plutocracy. The MSM fails at reporting events accurately, yet excels at keeping the masses entertained and divided while the true powers of this country amass more power and wealth.
As opposed to getting your news from the "good", "left" sources of MSNBC and CNN?
The IQ test, douche, is to see if you can raise your head out of the feed bag and see beyond the left/right paradigm. The Hegellian dialectic. Divide and conquer.
Sure, a lot of smart people in here,
For you to utter that, after your parrot-post above, is like a four-year-old at an NBA game saying that "people sure are tall here."
I don't get it. I keep hearing about all the really smart people in here, then I run into you dumb ass pseudo-intellectuals. I guess you're smart because you say you are. And then you blame Obama for the financial collapse, and say he's going to take your guns away, in dircet opposition to the facts, and anyone who shows you how completely fucking stupid that is gets mocked? I guess if you have nothing else, run with total horseshit, and it is all you have.
I don't get it.
You should have stopped there. I didn't pick up earlier that you are just a useless troll. I will refrain from wasting more facts and reasoning on you.
Do you mean the collapse that started in 1913 with the creation of the Federal Reserve?
This!
Do you mean the collapse that started under Bush and Republican control of Congress?
The collapse was started in 1913 with the creation of the Fed. Woodrow Wilson advanced the ball greatly through 1921, at which point the icon of liberalism, Mr. FDR, tacked on the ground floor of the collapse with the New Deal and a stimulus-through-warfare mantra. Every WH occupier since has contributed one way or another to the demise of a liberty-based financial system. Mr. I am not a Crook cemented the deal by divorcing from the gold standard in 1971. It has since been nothing but a simultaneous race to the bottom (currency debasement) and to the top (debt heap).
Neither Barry's Encore nor Mitt's Opus can or will change the trajectory.
Thanks for playing
Game, set, match to mayhem_korner.
Mayhem, ''Thanks, Dad!''
Supporting one mass murderer over another is nothing to feel proud.
http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2251-unspeakable-things-the-liberals-clumsy-dance-across-obamas-killing-floor.html
Your comments have all been of the "blame bush" flavor. Enough finger pointing and name calling, what has your favored candidate done to right the sinking ship?
<Sigh>
Best line in the article, and it sums up the cause of the whole situation we find ourselves in:
"The Greatest Evil Is Moral Relativism"
+1
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? (Matt 7:3)
Never vote again. Dont' play their game. You vote for one of them, you are sanctioning what they will do. The best revolution will to be not to vote.
One could always write in 'Ron Paul'.
If no one voted there would still be about 100 million filled out ballots.
Don't vote? WTF? ... I'm voting Libertarian even if I have to write in my own name ...
Since Rand sold us down the river, all we have is the Libertarian or the Constitution Party left to vote for. Ron has not said a word. American citizens probably do not realize that they are disenfrachised by the dems (communist/socialists) and republicans (national socialists) at the ballot box. The federal government is just taking it's citizens rights and freedoms from them in in it's quest for greater power. The federal government has been under the control of the same slime balls since it's beginning. A change is long overdue. Tell that to the numnutz who continue to vote these sociopaths and scumbag criminals into office though.
Neither Dems are communists/socialists nor are Reps national socialist.
You could only wish for that. Both are first and foremost CORPORATISTS answering every time CORPORATE AMERICA calls.
America is a rich and fat sow. The pigmen have started slaughtering the sow after decades of sucking her teets empty.
You and I can call them what we want. They are using the lower part of the economic spectrum to destroy the middle part of it to the benefit of the upper part of it. Call it corporatist, statist, or whatever you want. The only solution I can see is to take the misplaced powers of the federal government and return it to the people.
I don't care about fatallistic perspectives and theories that are pervasive in the USA (due to constant propaganda) - I care only about solutions and possibilities for solutions.
They are using the lower part of the economic spectrum to destroy the middle part of it to the benefit of the upper part of it.
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Yep and what is good is that the lower economic spectrum do not even have to vote for it.
Voting being a middle class thing.
Upper class has nothing to do but to let US citizenism do the job.
The Earth is running out of resources to sustain a US citizen middle class but wealth can be concentrated.
US citizenism at work.
Ok, what country then should we all relocate to? What form of citizenism should we participate in? Like I said, I care not for fatalism, nobody in any country will get anywhere with fatalism.
http://www.henrymakow.com/surprised_ron_rand_are_romney.html
Libertarianism is controlled opposition, part of the phony Illuminati dialectic. Readers of this website are not surprised by the news the Pauls are endorsing Mitt Romney.
Consider this.
In March Time Magazine quoted a Ron Paul adviser as saying, 'If you're talking about putting Rand on the ticket, of course that would be worth delivering our people to Romney'. (go to 3:40 for the quote).
Lew Rockwell has declared that the whole Paul campaign was never about winning. I wonder what millions of his followers (and donors) think about that?
According to Rockwell, it was all about educating people on the wonders of Austrian Economics, not about winning elections. This probably explains why Paul Sr. never ran as an independent, but preferred losing primaries.
After working for years on Paul's campaign, Rockwell is now saying one shouldn't vote and shouldn't be involved in partisan politics. Now, how disingenuous is that?
Ok, if the Libertarians are part of the illuminati - what are the options? Please forgo the whole martial law and war in the streets scenario - the goal is to prevent this situation while regaining freedoms for the regular citizen...
The only winning move is not to play - War Games (1983)
Actually we should all vote, every one of us, including our children - with the only vote that matters - our consumption, or rather our choice not to consume. Collectively, it is more powerful than any of the global criminal entites that have taken over our government and many others. Barter, learn real world skills and become as self sufficient as possible. Left alone, they will destroy themselves. It's happening now and the only way to survive is get out of its wake.
Agreed. Forget about the candidates and go after the money.
Make an example of Warren Buffett by boycotting Berkshire Hathaway Companies and let them know you do not support legalized bribery (campaign contributions) and chronyism.
Acme Brick Company
Applied Underwriters
Ben Bridge Jeweler
Benjamin Moore & Co.
Berkshire Hathaway Group
Berkshire Hathaway Homestate Companies
BoatU.S.
Borsheims Fine Jewelry
Brooks
Buffalo NEWS, Buffalo NY
BNSF
Business Wire
Central States Indemnity Company
Clayton Homes
CORT Business Services
CTB Inc.
Fechheimer Brothers Company
FlightSafety
Forest River
Fruit of the Loom Companies
Garan Incorporated
Gateway Underwriters Agency
GEICO Auto Insurance
General Re
Helzberg Diamonds
H.H. Brown Shoe Group
HomeServices of America, a subsidiary of
MidAmerican Energy Holdings Company
Iscar Metalworking Companies
Johns Manville
Jordan's Furniture
Justin Brands
Larson-Juhl
Lubrizol Corporation
Marmon Holdings, Inc.
McLane Company
Medical Protective
MidAmerican Energy Holdings Company
MiTek Inc.
National Indemnity Company
Nebraska Furniture Mart
NetJets®
Omaha World-Herald
The Pampered Chef®
Precision Steel Warehouse, Inc.
RC Willey Home Furnishings
Richline Group
Scott Fetzer Companies
See's Candies
Shaw Industries
Star Furniture
TTI, Inc.
United States Liability Insurance Group
XTRA Corporation
Only prediction I feel comfortable making is record low voter turn-out.
I predict that Obomney and CONgress will take millions of dollars of campaign contributions bribes from banks (created from thin air) and nobody will care.
It sure helps now that SCOTUS has made it legal, strike that, illegal to stop it....
@DJ
“the only vote that matters - our consumption, or rather our choice not to consume.”
Dj….that is very close to the only solution that matters…….the pig men’s crime cartel cannot survive without the constant and continued creation of new credits…………..in compulsive consumer societies that credit is generally used to buy ever increasing quantities of gaudy bling and worthless doodads manufactured in some low wage, offshore hell-hole.
That kind of 3 card monte capitalism has been around in form or another since the colonial days when native populations traded their patrimony for a hand full of baubles, bangles and beads.
Stepping away from the fractal credit system means an entirely different way of life, though……...simpler….more focused….much more self-reliant…..and way more difficult…….in a jeffersonian sort of way.
The morbidly obese TBTF system of wealth redistribution is ripe for replacement.....but....the answer is too simple, too obvious and too painful for most people to even consider, much less attempt.
there is away out but it takes both courage and faith.....start here...cut up your credit cards, kill your tv and vote the incumbent out…………….
Of course you should vote. Not voting lets TPTB assume you had to work, it was bad weather, your kid was sick,etc,etc....They (Politicians, Main Stream Media) will never say that the reason you didn't vote was because you disliked the candidate.
So vote. Write in a candidate....or write in yourself...or your cat...but VOTE. It will send a message. As for me, I am done with both parties; my vote may go to Frisco the Cat.
Don't blame me, I voted for KODOS!
I heard that Obama is giving away free hotdogs...
What ... no beach towels?
I want a thingamagig.
If only we were lucky enough to vote for one of the cannibals.
stunning video.. Ron Paul was right..they are the same.
after his son Rand endorsed Mitt and Ron himself not giving out any statement, i feel seriously disappointed by Dr. Paul. Same yoghurt, different taste.
we are doomed
Anyone who bitches about this and does not support instant runnoff elections is full of shit.
I also support KODOS. "Abortions for some! Tiny little flags for others!". Amen man... amen..
who wrote this article, max keiser?
If so, thank you, Max. At least someone made it to a position to say louder what I have been saying since Nixxon.
Somehow I doubt the 20th victim considers the distinction to be naive...
We will suffer the realities of our own willful ingnorance. There is no other way to facilitate the change.
Excelent post. Thanks Brandon.
SAURON / SARUMAN 2012
Why vote for a lesser evil?
Carroll Quigley, in his book "Tragedy & Hope", stated that the US election has been a sham since 1881.
And the real election is the primaries.
[insert your favourite T&H quote here]
“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so the the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.”
From page 1247.
Their opinions are right next to each other because they are both looking to get the votes from those in the proverbial middle. Neither side really bothers to persuade the voters that they already have locked in. My own voting philosophy when unable to make a decesion based on the issues is to vote out the incumbent.
The evil of two lessers.
I LIKE THE ONE WHO GETS SHOT FIRST!
Im gonna vote for Mitt because he shares my values and I am looking to relocate to the Cayman Islands to start a new business providing outsourcing for overpaid wanker accountants. Wait... I forgot. Im not an American citizen. Doh!
Who cares we let everybody vote.
Amity Shlaes should be releasing her Coolidge bio this summer. It's a tap on the shoulder for most to remind us what a president should be.
Too bad we can't vote for a dead man....oh wait, I think that's what we do nowadays.
Politics is now the Sheeple Side Show by the Banksters to present the "illusion of choice". You still live in a Prison, they just get you to agree to it. Makes it easier to fleece our Sheep Ass. And their economic illusions are the same. Vote with your money, and that will collapse the Ponzi. Take care of your neighbor. And we can all reboot and live Free.
+1000
People are starting to wake up to this. We need to make more of them wake up, and faster. Much faster.
Most of them don't want to hear it. You could buy up every primetime advertising slot on every radio and TV network in America (in the entire world, if you really want to see futility), for a solid month, and a good 80% of the sheeple would simply press the 'mute' button every time the shit came on. Most of the rest would be hitting mute by the end of week 1.
Most folks simply can't conceive that there might be another way to run this fucking planet. After all, Big-G keeps handing out free money to everybody; what's not to like?
I'm listening. Got any ideas?
exactly, like I said upstairs
The perfect is the enemy of the good
WRITING IN RON PAUL.............. WRITING IN RON PAUL............................. WRITING IN RON PAUL................................. WRITING IN RON PAUL.........................................
This is just plain asinine! This is like claiming that a sparrow is a jetliner because they both have wings. No honest person with any integrity could reasonably claim that there is NO difference between Romney and Obama! This is why some have now gained the reputation of being a bunch of libertarian cultists rather than reasonable adults.
Agree to your point BUT the people pulling the strings behind them are the same so you get the same results.
I agree, I forgot who, but someone (maybe Gov. H Long?) said government is like a restaurant with Dem and Repub waiters, who serve the same shit from the same kitchen.
The Patriots and the Giants are certainly different teams, but they play for the same league of owners.
Keep cheering for your favorite team as if it makes a difference.
Great metaphor, havent heard that one before.
Jack Johnson, or John Jackson?
There are some differences between the two candidates, but the significant and meaningful differences are smaller with these two than any prior "choice". Both of them are absolute yes-men to Wall Street, willing to do any amount of crime, corruption or evil for their masters, without remorse. They have opposite backgrounds, but doesn't seem to have done any good.
Jack Johnson vs. John Jackson
Fry: "They look like clones!"
Leela: "That's because they are!"
Jack Johnson: "I say the policies of my brother go too far!"
John Jackson: "I say the policies of my brother don't go too far enough!"
GREAT FUTURAMA EPISODE!!!
"I say your 3 cent titanium tax goes too far!"
"I say your 2 1/2 cent titanium tax doesn't go too far enough!"
There is a difference...
One likes his dog well aired...
The other likes his with mustard.
This is just plain asinine! This is like claiming that a sparrow is a jetliner because they both have wings.
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Never seen a donkey doing that kind of claim. Have seen a lot of US citizens doing it. Quite often. And defending it.
US citizenism.
All you humanoids are capable of FUBAR for any reason or no reason at all. It will always be so.
When it's a constant it becomes SNAFU.
A refusal to vote, or a vote for a third party, is not a vote for Obama, or a vote for Romney, but a vote against the charade.
Ummm...
What?
Who ends up POTUS then?
I guess the hardcore Paul backers seem to think withdrawing into the woodwork is honorable and the responsibility for condemning America to more Obamunism is not their problem.
How marvelous it is to live in a vacuum.
Unfortunately for those buying this fantasy the real world is not a vacuum, and actions have consequences. I've read as much on different topics from many here for quite a while now.
Intersting how that concept gets applied.
Pretty clear he thinks it's futile to fight against a rigged system with no viable options.
How is that "buying this fantasy"?
Clearly many people don't get it or things would already be different or even look like they're somewhat leaning toward maybe changing...which isn't the case.
Can Ron Paul win this election? No. Saying otherwise is fantasy.
Can refusing to cast a vote for Romney benefit Obama. Yes, this is fact, not fantasy.
Can one be held blameless for allowing Obama to continue his path of destruction when they held within their ability to prevent it? No, that is fantasy.
I am not saying red is less or more guilty than blue or vice versa, but the pat red=blue statement is fantasy. Did Bush outspend Obama? No. Did Bush shove socialized healthcare down our throats? No. Did Bush put complete leftist constitution-loathing POS's like Sotomayor & Kagan on SCOTUS? No. It is lazy and dishonest to say red=blue, but like a confession of faith it has a power all of its own for true believers.
By letting Obama win it confirms the opinion many have that despite the warnings to the contrary libertarians desire to bring about the collapse so many fear. In this respect the Allinsky/Cloward-Piven democrats have friends in libertarian circles, and that to me is a travesty.
Bush? Are you fucking serious? Wake up. 9/11 ring any bells? DHS? TSA? Iraq and Afghan Wars? GITMO?
You make no sense to me. Blaming libertarians is even more stupid.
You forgot one:
Did Obama allow the Zionists to kill 3,000 Americans on 9/11 to allow him to go to way against an innocent Iraq and Afghanistan and kill a million more innocent people?
This is not to suggest I have any respect or admiration for our current CIA owned and illegal immigrant TOTUS.
Depressing but true. I know 2 things come November... I am not voting for Rommney and I am not voting for Obama.
I wasn't planning on voting because I don't like the choices. On the other hand, maybe it would be more profitable to sell my vote to the highest bidder. I hear the CIA puppet is offering $3,000 of the taxpayer's money. I wonder how much the Mormon asshole will offer.
The lesser of two evils would be valid if we only had two choices, but we have more than two choices. Write in yourself, or Ron Paul, or Tyler Durden ... whoever on earth you trust most. Even if I knew that my vote would be the deciding vote, I still wouldn't vote for one of these two because such a rejection would give both parties, and especially the losing party, a new and strong incentive to improve.
Never cooperate with evil.
You want to know how choosing McCain over Obama would have helped the country? No Obamacare, the greatest loss of personal freedom ever.
though obamacare is indeed one of the biggest drug and insurance scams ever, the only bigger loss of freedom is "the war on terror" and we all know McCain is head cheerleader along with his Keating Five bank whores. Obama is nothing more than the new pom pom freshman
now what is is this article about again?
And then there's Medicare Part D, the insurance and big pharma dream bill.
You have been distracted by The Prince. McCain would have gotten more support from Congress and thus could have done even more damage.
Idiot. Obamacare is the extension of all the government programs that were initiated under Bush.
Biggest campaign contributors to both Bush campaigns wasn't the military-industrial complex, it was Big Pharma. That's why you have Medicaid and Medicare.
Big Pharma is owned by the pigmen as well. Through complex shareholder agreements it all boils down to a few hundred individiuals and families who OWN CORPORATE AMERICA - every fucking aspect of it.
Whatever these families ask for, they get which renders the vote of everyone else completely obsolete and useles.
But keep pretending if you plan to stay in Kansas forever.
And spawned from the likes of Romney,
Boss Tweed said, "I don't care who does the electing as long as I get to do the nominating."
I can't believe I actually used to think in this "all-or-nothing" way! I used to spout John Quincy Adams' quote about voting alone, but always voting for principle. I'm glad I awakened to the real world.
It's posts like these that damage ZH's credibility and force me to think twice what I read here, despite that I still think it is THE best finance website on the internet.
You think like today's successful business person.
you're mistaking voting as a concept with voting as a corrupted self destructing system
You chose to accept their lies and be part of the system for now. Your perception will change again. Denial only lasts so long.
As I recall, Ron Paul and his son Rand endorsed Mitt Romney.
Ron did not endorse Mitt Romney.
Oops sorry.
Only Rand Paul endorsed Mitt.
I've made up my mind. i'm voting for Pedro.
I am going to write in MDB. Why the hell not? It would be great to actually have a presidential press conference and have the sound on.
pods
I'm voting for my dog. He knows his place at the table, won't roll over for just anyone, and only craps on his own lawn.
http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/gary-johnson-live-free-of-the-fed-video
This year, pls consider www.lp.org candidates. With enough votes this time, next time they will not be required to speand all their financial resources simply to overcome the ballot access laws that the "Democrips" and "Rebloodlicans" put in place to lock out competition.You will want to rethink that. Gary Johnson thinks there was no fraud committed by the banks. Haven't you ever asked yourself why NO candidate has called for mass prosecution of the FIRE insiders ? That's because no one did anything wrong ! Good luck with that LP for change - they're just as stupid and venal as any other politicians.
"Gary Johnson thinks there was no fraud committed by the banks." Documentation, please.
"The Bankers and the Federal Reserve need to be brought down. They have stolen our money, our future and the American Dream and continue to enslave us with a broken monetary system. There is no scarcity; there is manipulation of the resources. We need to end the wars, bring our troops home and our jobs back, create new Green jobs and put people back to work. We need a resource based economy."
http://www.roseanneforpresident2012.org/Issues
Note how either party will spend more and thus borrow more. It is almost as if those lending the money to government were pulling the strings, and they don't really care if we temporarily get fed up with one party and switch back and forth because, either way, they still ratchet up the government spending and government debt.
Being good is the enemy of greatness
Then dont vote. Hold your breath untill Ron Paul wins. Kick and scream like an infant that Rand endorsed Romney. Go hold a sign at the freeway exit tellling people the end is near.
Romney isnt the lesser of 2 evils. That was Clinton and Bush 1&2. Romney is the best candidate since Regan. But you have never met him, never talked to him, never read his book, never worked for him, never lived in a state he governed. But you are qualified to dismiss him from your moms basement fingering your single gold kugerand and calling it "my precious".
Btw Ive done all of the above. Which is also why ive gladly donated to his campaign.
Sorry you wasted your money and time. Speaking of time...you're waisting it defending him here.
You are an empty can. I think you should go with RoadCone. Congrats on meeting Mitt Romney. You are a legend in your own mind. Was your friend there to take that perfect picture at the exact right time to hang in your office to enhance your "credibility". Come on you can admit it, You did! That was an awful post.
"If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal."
How many kids do you have to die for Israel mate? Just so you know: those kind and highly responsible folks walk Mutt on a leash and have done for 20+ years. He's surrounded by Israelis and Israel's agents of influence.
So if you have any, start spending some extra time with them NOW, while they're alive and still have all limbs attached.
See, Mutt's Owners have got big, big plans for 'em! And won't you just be so proud when you lose one or two, for nothing? Yippeee!
Did you watch the video? Read the article? Do you not see they are the same evil?
Which is also why ive gladly donated to his campaign.
was your donation black and rubbery??
Okay, I'll bite.
"But you have never met him, never talked to him, never read his book, never worked for him, never lived in a state he governed."
Indeed! We've never been caressed by him, never had him whisper sweet nothings in our ears, never played catcher to his pitcher.
"But you are qualified to dismiss him from your moms basement fingering your single gold kugerand and calling it "my precious"."
Besides your mom, the only thing I finger in my basement is my kukri.
I was clueless and liked Regan.
His real kids even know better now watch the HBO special.
Regan trickle down WE ARE STILL F**KING waiting! The money kind of blasted up A** HO**
think about it..
Tricky dicky and tricky Regan.
go to admit better at lying that Bill C.
Check this out
Nick Hanauer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI
Sorry nothing personal.
PL
It's a freakovery bitchezz!
http://fiatflaws.blogspot.com/
Haha Rmoney "A lot of my fellow conservatives". They both think that circumventing the Constitution is a matter of calling in lawyers. Neither would work to protect the sanctity of the Rule of Law in the US but rather curb stomp it like the fascists they are.
I you have the choice between two candidates one will kill and eat 20 people and one will kill and eat 19 then you choose to save the one life you can.
I'd choose to feed you to one of them for being so utterly moronic.
that's some fine muppetry Gern
How about a choice between doing what you think is right to try to wake up the ignorant masses to tyranny, or abandoning your principles because it is easier to vote for column A or column B just like the rest of the ignorant masses.
That would only make sense if you were FORCED to vote. But you are not. You can just decide to not want to vote for evil. If more people would deny to vote for evil, maybe just maybe the system would change.
You can also take out both mass murders for the greater benefit of all before either had a chance to wreck havoc.
It is telling how organised opposition is in venezuela, russia, middle east and other places with not so good relations with the usa, while in usa any oposition to the regime gets quickly discouraged or managed.
Ain't no one worse than the Bamster.
And you can take that to the bank.
Bitchzzzzzz :)
one of them says he has the right to murder anyone ,anytime, anywhere....because of that i pick the other...if he does the same act, throw him out. this will not happen because of the plan the murderer put in place to destroy any small biz and bail out banks and union thugs and placate the hordes with foodstamps and welfare....it has to begin with the murderer and go from there. the only people advocating anything else are the same nazi democrats who want to enslave us....end the blue wall of slavery mr obama.....let our people go
You're too harsh. He does have a pretty good handicap by now.
Hail the Republicrats!
Biggest con game, scam job, thievery, looting, deceit, outright fraud & lying, outrageously horrid bunch of scumbaggery that i've ever seen in my entire life. can no one stop this ? will no one stop this ? problem is most people are clueless. Did i already say looting ? GET RID OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK & their EUROPEAN SHAREHOLDERS & issue the currency from the U.S. Treasury . or am i the one who's off-base here; sometimes i wonder.
right on target
But it's the Evil of Two Lessers where the USA has ben trapped for decades. Pick one or pick the other, the Evil only continues to grow.
There IS NO political solution. Ron and Rand Paul's recent displays of cynical treachery should put that silly notion to rest forever.
Change can only come from without, not within. We are SO past that, and so are they: they won't let it happen. We'd be wise to fully internalize these facts.
Vote for either of these scumbags and you may as well be voting for Debt Slavery for yourself and all future generations of what once were "Americans"
What we need is about 200mm people NOT TO VOTE AT ALL.
yes, please arrest ROBERT RUBIN. i will breathe easier & at least will have some consolation when i'm starving to death.
If you studied the histroy of the United States but left out the whole part about elections you would assume that the same group ruling the country never changed. The polices of both sides are nearly identical when the rubber meets the road.
You, Sir, are the worst kind of human being you can imagine. Worse than a commie. Worse than a muslim. Worse than a negro. And that sir, makes you less than a non human. This has to be said.
Are you telling that Americanism has led to a world of homogeneity, destroying diversity?
Are you saying that American politicians have been the same, leading the same way since our glorious war of independence that opened up a new era for humanity, an era of enlightenment and prosperity?
Sir, you are totally wrong. Only during the three last decades, politics have changed. Before that, we had the most perfect system ever with two different parties, parties offering real change, real choice, real this or that. But it was real.
No, sir. There has been change along the way. Americanism is no longer.The republic is dead. It can not be. I do not benefit from it so it can not be Americanism.
Americanism is only Americanism when we Americans benefit from it.
Signed: an American.
I pray you are 15. If you are an adult then I want to cry. First of all "Negro" and "Muslim" as insults is disgusting. Next the war of independence was not the watershead moment you think it was. And the change to the day to day freedoms of the individual in the US after the revloution were about the same as any Britsh subject at the same time.. minus the fact the Britain didn't allow slavery. Finally read any histry of the US and you will see a pro big business agenda since day one. Read "A People's History of the US." Stop waving a flag and read a book. Then you might have the tools to contruute to making a country worthy of your bombast.
lulz!
+1 AnAnonymous
Don't vote. Waste of time. It's not a mandate. Nothing will change. The dye has been cast. This country is going bankrupt. The timing is the only question now. A political party affliction is not a substitute for a self-identity.
The country is not going bankrupt. That is false. The US has a 15 Tillion GDP. It is going no where. But many of its citizens will fail as the flow of power and money get more and more concentrated. Niethr of these two men or their parties have a singel idea to fix this because they don't want it fixed.
Sorry Doug. The country IS going bankrupt. Few individuals and families won't though. I think that's what you were referring to.
US Debt is a joke. It is used as a tool to scare people into cutting services. Up inflation to 4% and spend way out of current depression and those few added % GDP will lower the debt. How do you think the debt of WW2 was removed. Also you can't go bankrupt when you owe people money in a currency you control. Fed can take over as much debt as they want... you will say this is bad and would be right BUT if anyone thought the country was in any danger then this small fact would be scaring investors and we would see interest rates on us Debt going up. As tBills are about 0 (or less if you do the math) looks like no one seems to think US debt means anything.
Why no refutation and just a bunch of negative votes? Do you doubt my keynesian kung fu! Then flight ;-)
Honey, we can't be out of money, I still have checks in my checkbook.
Dude. Seriously. You are on a website that publishes at least 10 articles a day that refute your points. That could be why nobody's bothering to put up links.
Debt of WW2 was removed? It was paid back in decades of economic growth in "miracle" economies such as Germany post WW2.
WW2 destroyed allot of asset classes which had to be rebuild. War was their choice du jour to restart the system.
Current US debt cannot be repaid. Current EU debt cannot be repaid. Edit: Debt cannot even be serviced or refied! See Greece, Spain, Italy, France (coming). Fed buying US debt to keep government capitalized - not sustainable.
Interest rates on US debt cannot be allowed to go up or the whole shitshow comes crashing down. Same for Canada FYI.
The top has gotten too rich and fat and the parasites have killed the host. The US middle class is dead and won't come back. Incomes are nowhere near where they should be if this system and this nation should have a fighting chance.
The reset is coming starting with Europe.
Ok you are wrong, but I love you want to flight it out. US WW2 debt gone mostly becuase the vlaue of the debt shrunk as US GDP grew. Next EU problmes are not one colour- Greece is not the same as the others. THe other are in trouble becuase they are stuck with a currency they can't control. Next. Fed doesnt set the value of TBills- the market does and the market says they are happy to buy at near 0. You can't love the holy market then ignor its judgment.
Even in this shit times the Debt is not the issue... Jobs is the issue. And we wont get them back quickly till spending starts. Business is sitting on cash. A little inflation would get them spending. And while we wait this is a cheap time for the Gov to create demand by spending a ton. If onver next 4 years you can save 5 trillion on lost capasity by spending 1 tillion now it makes sence to do so. This is a question of math not morals.
US middle class keeps sliting their own necks. All so interested in protecting the rights of the rich (becuase they are all sure it will be them some day) they ignor thier own self interest.
Canada has control over our banks, Canada has control over spending in elections by corporations, Canada has Oil and the balls to tax it. Canada has a parlimentary system that works. Canada has same level of union membership at 1960s. While I appricate the concern don't worry about us. We will be fine.
US WW2 debt gone because of GDP growth. Confirmed my point about the fact that much was destroyed and had to be rebuild. More so in Europe and with Marshall Plan money which was on loan from America to Europe to finance the rebuilding with American tools and American machines built in Europe. There. I'm not getting into why Europe ended up completely trashed and the US benefited financially as result. One could draw conclusions that the US (banking cabal) instigated the whole thing when the US economy crashed and went into the Great Depression.
Is war and complete destruction in the cards again for the same players? You bet.
But that's besides the point. We are at a peak growth. Do you understand? There is no more economic growth in either Europe or the US. Not meaningful if any. Same for Canada again FYI if you strip away immigration from Southeast Asia.
The financial systems are built on growth. You as self described Keynesian, you know this. Without growth, the model fails. Government can stimulate growth but the capital costs are huge which is why the US debt has exploded exponentially. Now we're at a dead end. There's no room for further stimulus and the effects of the first stimulus have yet to be seen. It was marginal and mostly meaningless anyway. But it did cost government allot of money. Money that went mostly to a few hands in exchange for their bad decisions and their bad debt.
Business is sitting on cash until their cash runs out and then the massive wave of layoffs start. Business isn't exactly booming and business isn't expanding. Business has been hoarding cash to be prepared and because business was cutoff from commercial lending since 2008. Business is no longer in a position to operate without holding large amounts of cash. Business outlays are not financed by the banks the way they used to. I've dealt with allot of businesses and heard their concerns on trying to find money. It's not easy and it doesn't matter how good their credit was in the past or how successful their business has been. Unless they have a direct line to any of the CEOs at the IBs, they've got nothing. So, is it any wonder that businesses are sitting on cash? And now you want to kill business again by forcing them to invest or give up gains due to inflation?
Maybe the water in Canada is better after all.
Why do you just ignor the numbers? If Big Business was so bad off then why is DOW over 12,000? There are super serious gilded age issues about distrubution of wealth but no issues about overall wealth. Decline of Industrial Jobs is old news and a serious reason there is a generational poverty issue in the US. But they are not the cause of job losses in the past 3 years.
You might be right the ecomony may have terminal cancer.... and will die of it. BUT today he is in the holspital for pneumonia. And the cure is Governemtn Spending. Tons more than before.
This is one of the most garbled, unintelligent comments I've ever seen. Half of your points aren't even relevant: no one you're responding to was talking about Greece or the EU, and no one gives a shit about America's hat.
Then surely we will be saved if we just pay all unemployed people $15/hr to dig holes and fill them back up again. After all, we just need jobs. Piece of cake. Thanks for solving our structural unemployment problems, decimated manufactoring sector, and over-reliance on shit service jobs.
Why? On what? And even if it did, it should then be happening now, because we already have more than "a little" inflation.
And if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle. Let's see your cost-benefit analysis if you don't mind. Specific areas to concentrate spending. Expected return and employment rates. The ARRA was intended to do exactly what you said, and yet our pesky structural unemployment problems not only persist, but are getting worse. And it is a question of math, despite keynesian clown protests to the contrary. You say, "no worries, it's just a little more debt, and rates are low." But do the math on even a 1 tick rise in our rates. Do it on 2 ticks. Then sit down and shut up because you clearly don't have a clue about rolling debt and interest expense as a budget consideration. We've listened to claptrap like yours for long enough. It's time to admit that you've never been right and following your ideology has made our economic problems worse.
They are both statists. But giving Obama 4 more years is pure insanity. The acts of high treason he's already committed are a matter of record. A vote for Romney is relatively less insane, if you can stomach it. Most here will probably either write in Ron Paul or just stay home.