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Guest Post: 80 Years Later - Same Culprits, Same Rage

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform

80 Years Later - Same Culprits, Same Rage

The young man stands on the edge of his porch
The days were short and the father was gone
There was no one in the town and no one in the field
This dusty barren land had given all it could yield

I’ve been kicked off my land at the age of sixteen
And I have no idea where else my heart could have been
I placed all my trust at the foot of this hill
And now I am sure my heart can never be still
So collect your courage and collect your horse
And pray you never feel this same kind of remorse

Dust Bowl Dance – Mumford & Sons

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The song from Mumford & Sons called Dust Bowl Dance is as pertinent to today as it was in describing the Great Depression.   I was taken by the lyrics and the rage in the song. The setting for the song is the Dust Bowl of the 1930?s in the US Midwest. Picture the Joads in Grapes of Wrath. As I listened to the song again this morning I was struck by the similarities between the time period described in the song and our present situation.

The lyrics by Marcus Mumford tell the story of a young man who’s lost everything. His family is either dead or forced off their land. My interpretation of the lyrics is that the bank has foreclosed on his farm after their crops failed during the dust bowl. I picture a Mr. Potter like character who held the mortgages on all the farms and houses in a small community. The evil banker didn’t care that families had lived on this land for decades, raising their families along with the crops. These hard working farmers had done nothing wrong. They were victims of circumstances. But bankers didn’t care about ruining lives. The family farmers didn’t participate in the Roaring 20?s, borrow on margin to invest in stocks, or reap ungodly profits. The farmers were victims of land speculators and bad weather. The only son in the song took the law into his own hand and shot the evil banker. He was ready to do his time, because his act was righteous payback.

Eighty years ago the last Fourth Turning was also in its infancy. They generally last 15 to 20 years. The catalyst for the last Fourth Turning was the great stock market crash of 1929.   The 1920s “boom” enriched only a fraction of the American people. Earnings for farmers and industrial workers stagnated or fell. Farmers were barely getting by during the roaring 20s. Only the Wall Street crowd was getting rich.  The economic growth of the 1920s did not reach most Americans: 60% of American families earned less than the amount necessary to support their basic needs ($2,500 was considered enough to support a family’s basic needs). The agricultural sector was similarly stagnant: farm prices dropped after World War I when Europe again began to feed itself and new grain exports from South American further depressed prices. The lack of purchasing power of rural people and farmers resulted in declines in consumer purchasing in those areas, as well as increased defaults on debt. Rural, urban, and suburban consumers began to increase their personal debts through mortgages, car loans, and installment plans to buy consumer goods, such as radios.

The ever-growing price for stocks was, in part, the result of greater wealth concentration within the investor class. Eventually the Wall Street stock exchange began to take on a dangerous aura of invincibility, leading investors to ignore less optimistic indicators in the economy.  Over-investment and speculating (gambling) in stocks further inflated their prices, contributing to the illusion of a robust economy.

The crucial point came in the 1920s when banks began to loan money to stock-buyers since stocks were the hottest commodity in the marketplace. Wall Street banks encouraged Wall Street investors to use the stocks themselves as collateral. When stocks dropped in value, and investors could not repay the banks, the banks were left holding near-worthless collateral. Banks went broke, pulling productive businesses down with them as they called in loans and foreclosed mortgages in a desperate attempt to stay afloat. The Federal Reserve was responsible for regulating the banks. They were responsible for the easy money policies during the 1920s. The biggest financial institutions in the country included: Citibank, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan & Co., Chase National Bank, and Wells Fargo. Sound familiar? 

The Great Depression was caused by the Federal Reserve and their owners, the biggest Wall Street banks, aiding and abetting reckless speculation, greed and extreme risk taking with mountains of debt. The rich got richer and the poor got poorer. The income inequality in the U.S. reached an all-time peak in 1928. It stayed at a high level until World War II. The glory years of the American Empire were from 1941 through 1979, when the middle class was growing, and the income distribution in the country was fair and equitable, as our manufacturing based economy raised all boats.

The income inequality in the country reached the same extreme level in 2007, just prior to the Wall Street created financial implosion. It has not improved in the last four years. In the early 1930s there was the feeling of revolution in the air. With unemployment at 25% and people in desperate straits, the government feared communists or fascists gaining power. The New Deal was really a way to keep the citizens occupied so that a revolution would not take hold. There was much anger towards the bankers and aristocracy who caused the Great Depression. The anger is reflected in the Mumford & Sons lyrics:

Your oppression reeks of your greed and disgrace
So one man has and another has not
How can you love what it is you have got
When you took it all from the weak hands of the poor?
Liars and thieves you know not what is in store

Dust Bowl Dance – Mumford & Sons

The 2008 financial crash was caused by loose Federal Reserve monetary policies, lack of Federal Reserve regulation over criminally reckless Wall Street banks, and incredible levels of bad debt rampant throughout our economic system. The true unemployment rate today is 23%. Another parallel between the early 1930s and today can be seen in the chart below. Almost 11,000 banks, or 40% of all the banks in the U.S., went out of business. Predictably, these were all small banks. None of the connected Wall Street banks went out of business. They benefitted, as 40% of their competition disappeared. Too Big to Fail existed 80 years ago. You may also note that savers were punished, as interest paid on savings plunged from 5% to below 1% and the earnings of middle class workers collapsed.

  1929 1933
Banks in operation 25,568 14,771 
Prime interest rate 5.03% 0.63%
Volume of stocks sold (NYSE) 1.1 B 0.65 B
Privately earned income $45.5B $23.9B
Personal and corporate savings $15.3B $2.3B

Historical Statistics of the United States, pp. 235, 263, 1001, and 1007.


During the early years of the current depression more than 400 banks have gone insolvent and another 800 banks are on the FDIC endangered species list. Therefore, approximately 15% of all the banks in the U.S. will no longer compete with the Wall Street banks that caused the financial crisis. Since 2008, the top five biggest banks in the U.S. have dramatically increased their market share and power. They are: Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, and Goldman Sachs. Amazing how the exact same banks that caused the 1929 and the 2008 market crashes came out unscathed and more powerful after each crisis.

  FDIC Bank Failures

The mainstream media tries to convince the American public that the stock market going up means the economy is improving and they are doing better. The chart below shows that the stock market bottomed in 1932 and proceeded to go up almost 500% by 1937. It’s too bad only the bankers and richest people in society could afford to own stocks. While the stock market soared, the average person struggled to survive. Only the privileged stock owners prospered. The common man suffered.

The unemployment rate remained at elevated levels until World War II. The New Deal policies of Franklin Roosevelt did not end the Great Depression. The common man had trouble putting bread on their table during the entire decade of the 1930?s. The storyline about FDR’s Keynesian spending ending the Depression is false.

The 1930s were filled with seething anger. The Liberty League and Father Charles Coughlin, the Rush Limbaugh of his time, used anti-communist and socialist rhetoric to convince millions of Americans that the model used in Nazi Germany was better than FDR’s New Deal policies. This pushed Roosevelt further to the left against big business and toward more socialist programs to insure getting the votes of the poor. These were bleak days in our country’s history. General Smedley Butler revealed a plot to overthrow the Roosevelt administration and replace it with a fascist dictatorship. The country roiled with furious rage.

In 1932, approximately 80 years ago, 43,000 marchers (17,000 veterans) descended upon Washington D.C.  The Bonus Expeditionary Force, also known as the “Bonus Army”, marched on Washington to advocate the passage of the “soldier’s bonus” for service during World War I.  They set up a camp with tents to bring attention to their cause. After Congress adjourned, bonus marchers remained in the city and became unruly. On July 28, 1932, two bonus marchers were shot by police, causing the entire mob to become hostile and riotous. The government turned the U.S. military upon its citizens. Army cavalry units led by General Douglas MacArthur dispersed the Bonus Army by riding through it and using gas. Fifty five veterans were injured and 135 were arrested. Critics of the marchers described them as communists, troublemakers, and criminals.

Fast forward 80 years and we have protestors setting up camp in a public square, not far from where the same exact banks that caused the Great Depression have created the Greater Depression. The biggest Wall Street banks have gotten bigger. The Federal Reserve, in collusion with the Wall Street banks, has engineered a two year stock market rally, while the average American has seen their wages decline, food and energy prices soar, home prices fall, and banks paying them .1% on their savings. Anger and disillusionment continue to build in this country like a volcano preparing to blow. Some people are angry at Washington politicians. Some are angry at Wall Street. Others aren’t sure who to be angry at. The evil oligarchy of bankers, corporate titans, and bought off Washington politicians that control the agenda and mainstream media, continue to scorn, ridicule and denigrate the middle class of America. Their financial engineering is failing. They’ve gone too far. The debt accumulation is unsustainable. The mood of the country has darkened and talk of revolution and the shadow of impending violence is growing.

The Great Depression was not an event, it was an era. It was an era of discontent, pain, suffering, and ultimately war and death. The people who lived through this era have mostly died off. We have entered a new similar era. The average citizen sees the American Dream of a better life slipping away due to the corruption, greed, and immorality of our political and financial systems. The Federal Reserve’s current chosen mandate is to make the stock market go up, while impoverishing the middle class. The 1% better hope the police and military continue to obey their orders, because the 99% are angry and heavily armed. This Fourth Turning has ten to fifteen years to go. Every previous Fourth Turning has included violence, war and death on an epic scale. Winter has arrived and it will be a long arduous journey until we reach Spring. The choices we make in the next few years will decide the fate of our country. I hope we choose wisely.  


“Thus did a handful of rapacious citizens come to control all that was worth controlling in America. Thus was the savage and stupid and entirely inappropriate and unnecessary and humorless American class system created. Honest, industrious, peaceful citizens were classed as bloodsuckers, if they asked to be paid a living wage. And they saw that praise was reserved henceforth for those who devised means of getting paid enormously for committing crimes against which no laws had been passed. Thus the American dream turned belly up, turned green, bobbed to the scummy surface of cupidity unlimited, filled with gas, went bang in the noonday sun.”

Kurt Vonnegut, God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater


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Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:18 | 1800763 AldousHuxley
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of course the elites are all connected.

How Steve Jobs befriended Clinton....let the easy credit flow so dumbass Americans waste their money on Apple products by getting more in debt.

'It's hard to travel to see your child when you're President. I've got a place out in the country. You and Hillary can stay there and bring Chelsea and her friends there anytime you want to,'" Clinton recalled.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:21 | 1801162 BigDuke6
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How the fuck could someone red aldous??   The elites always come together in ways you never expect you just have to look - tony blair being godfather to rupert murdoch's spawn ... it goes on and on , green from me aldous as if that means a fuck.

i love the photos of the depression , they show people like my folks... we were all slaves back then for the elites.. not just the whinging coloureds who try to give me a guilt trip to get more hand outs - get fucked....we were all eating shit, moan at the banksters not us honkeys.

our governments have been investing in sustaining and growing failure, at the expense of investing in potential and success.

pacifying welfare for losers, to useless education, to endless bureaucratic empire-building, to the fucked up bank bailouts and corruption networks operating under the veil of political lobbying, the common thread uniting western government policy has been investment in failure.

it has to change


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 08:28 | 1801524 boooyaaaah
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It could be worse.
The free market system shows the corruption. Dead fish floating tells you something about water quality. Unsustainable --- the irony that solar power was supposed to cure our our economy of unsustainable oil gas and nuke power. Solar is a dead fish floating in a corrupt economy.
With so many "educated" looking for a solution to foist on the rest of us, maybe the solution is no solution. Or better, erase all the solutions that have been enacted for our benifit.
Then the invisible hand will give us our just rewards ratherthan slapping us down. And showing us our mistakes by floating fish.
Fish that the present batch of experts feel the need to resuscitate.
First step let the big banks fail.
2 nd delete all government subsidies into the economy.
Government and economy is a dicotomy.
Sure there will be Henry Fords and Steve Jobs who will gather more riches to themselves than others. The goal of good government is to prevent them through political connection from expanding beyond whatbeyond economic rewards
As Adam Smith stated the uber rich will and must disperse their
Their wealth in a more efficient and beneficial manner than government politicians buying votes with the help of corrupt financiers.
Financiers who are scheming rather than investing and a floating fish that are polluting the economy.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 09:14 | 1801557 rwe2late
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"the uber rich will and must disperse their
Their wealth in a more efficient and beneficial manner" - in your wet dreams

"than government politicians" - if you mean corrupted government politicians, then you have set the bar so low as to be meaniningless; and if you mean any government politician, then you obviously reject the idea democracy could ever succeed.

"buying votes with the help of corrupt financiers" - since when do the financiers not belong to the "uber rich", all of whom use their wealth to influence (bribe) politicians to favor the "uber rich" over everyone else?

Faith in the never-existent "free market" property rights of the "uber rich" is overblown.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:31 | 1802160 Abitdodgie
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You people are so brainwashed to keep saying that we live in a Democracy, we do not we live in a Republic, there is a BIG differance, don't be fooled by the lie.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:33 | 1802693 Raymond K Hessel
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I just do not understand people like you.  Stalin murdered more people than Hitler.  Together, they killed tens of millions. How is fascism or marxism the answer?  I'm assuming the other option to capitalism is fascism or marxism.


See how other people live in those regimes.  Why would you think that 's the answer.

Unless you're going to wow us with a new economic system no one has seen before, what are you suggesting?

You just want manna to rain down on your smug empty head.  You're a fleabagger.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:24 | 1803142 Rhodin
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How many has the US MIC war machine murdered in undeclared "wars"?  How long before they bring those troops home, to maybe do the same here?

Communist systems own (steal, nationalise) the corporations, and everything is run by a small elite.  Under facism, either the major corporations own the government, or they have an "arrangement" with the government, and everything is run by a slightly larger elite.

In USA the anonymous stockholders, of 4-8 corporations own the banks + Fed, most politicians, media, and most other major corporations.  We are run by a small hidden elite oligarchy.  You could call it corporatism or "soft" facism. 

It seems all large systems with a monopoly of force eventually are corrupted and misuse that force.   So far the owners oligarchy has done better than marxism or hard facism, but it seems headed in the same direction.  Perhaps that course can be corrected.  Time will tell, but it does not look good.


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 09:31 | 1801569 snowball777
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Come now, your Dukeness. 'Coloureds'? Have you been savaged by the Brits so long that you've adopted their antiquated spelling? Gone 'native'?

The banksters (dipshit CEOs, realtors, and 'money managers') are "you honkeys".

Follow the money. Do you think the elderly are keeping their Medicare payouts? Don't welfare dollars ALL end up in corporate tills?

Where precisely do you envision these 'losers' finding gainful employment (when they're showing up at 100X the number of positions available)?

You're only a slave if you let them make you so...

"In Syria, the men used to castrate themselves in honor of Ataratha. But when King Abgar became a believer, he commanded that anyone who emasculated himself should have a hand cut off. And from that day to the present no one in Urhâi emasculates himself anymore."

"...some monks saw, in his ear, the image of Mary."



Sun, 10/23/2011 - 07:58 | 1801506 irishlink
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On Thursday last Aviva Insurance announced that they were going to pull almost 1000 jobs out of Ireland over the next two years. The CEO said that Irish workers had an attitude of entitlement as he took home a wage package of almost £2million sterling over the previous year. He could probably feed all the families who are about to loose their livelyhoods for one year and he dared to make that comment. The top .01% are soo out of touch it is truly frightening.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 08:38 | 1801534 Monedas
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The Irish are trouble makers with attitude ! Move the work to Northern Ireland....but fast !    Ever buggered a Leprechaun ? Nice cuttin' ! Squeaky tight ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Leprechaun Porn

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:05 | 1801742 Kayman
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Of course Monedas could be on the receiving end of a little Irish, but grabbing his ankles comes naturally to Monedas.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:33 | 1802168 bmwm395
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up the pro vose


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 20:43 | 1803080 Rhodin
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...let the easy credit flow so dumbass Americans waste their money on Apple products by getting more in debt.

Meanwhile most of those Apple products are made in China by Foxcomm using workers who are paid about $10 per day.  The workers are unhappy with wages and conditions.   Many worker suicides have occurred.  Foxcomm's plan is to replace the ungrateful workers with robots.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:53 | 1801201 Akrunner907
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You can stretch a rubber band only so far and then it snaps, and you are the one that gets stung.  Prepare for this rubber band to break soon.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 03:29 | 1801395 FinHits
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I demand to know Where are the Customers' Yachts? 

Fuck the customers, I want to know where is my yacht? Have I been lied to... Noooo.... Can't be.

Double up or nothing. This time it will apparently work the right way!

Timeless Advice from 1920's Wall Street

(The USD 132 hardcover price is a case in point. Sucker. Every minute.)

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 04:05 | 1801423 OldPhart
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To hell with yachts, I want my flying car!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 08:29 | 1801522 Monedas
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Who wants to hang with poor people....they don't loan money, they don't hire people, they won't invest in your Ponzi schemes, they don't throw elegant parties and they don't have guest rooms ! Screw 'em !        If Obammy's Mammy moved up from a Kenyan "hut-in-tote" to a well financed CIA undermensch....more power to her ! It sounds like her innate, white intelligence was coming on line a little ! What's the point of having a pussy....if you can't milk the system a little ! Monedas 20011 Comedy Jihad Island Hopping Tour

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:14 | 1800618 Quixotic_Not
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Behind OWS? Meet the Marxist spawn of Frances Fox Piven who wants a militant revolution

The current meme among the media elites is that the Occupy Wall Street protests are an organic and spontaneous movement created by college-aged students who are frustrated with the cost of student loans, housing, health care and overall corporate greed.

If that were true I’d like to state the obvious, that behind every student is a teacher.

Meet Professor John Asimakopoulos (for purposes of this article we’ll call him Dr. John). He is an associate professor of sociology at the City University of New York-Bronx where he works beside Marxist revolutionary Frances Fox Piven, the quickly aging and fragile grandmother who is best known for being one-half of the Cloward and Piven strategy. Dr. John has also been published alongside other famous Marxists intellectuals such as Howard Zinn, Ward Churchill, and Bill Ayers, advisor to/lifelong friend of/acquaintance of/not associated with President Obama. Among Dr John’s 2,000+ Facebook friends are Wade Radthke from ACORN, Cindy Sheehan, an anti-war activist, and Lisa Fithian, one of the leading organizers of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

OWS: The Perestroika Deception Develops a Face

In recent weeks, every American has watched with morbid curiosity as swarms of hate-filled, sputtering communist loons and Hippie-wannabees have taken to the streets, shutting down cities and leaving a path of destruction wherever they go.  Although many Americans disagree with the stated agenda of these radicals, most think them harmless, dismissing their acts as pathetic attempts to resurrect the failed social movements of the sixties.

But this group of determined radicals is not to be laughed at.  Lisa Fithian, the primary OWS organizer, is an unrepentant communist and proponent of government and economic destabilization as a means of achieving totalitarian centralization along communist lines.  Writing for a socialist rag, Fithian once stated, “I have no issue with property destruction…We’re in a society where property is idolized, so a lot of people don’t get it yet that it doesn’t really matter.”

While this should shock Americans (and would, if the facts were being reported) this is nothing new.  This is just the latest tactic in a long-term strategy that has been quietly moving forward for decade...

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:15 | 1800633 Lord Welligton
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I thought you were going off to make final preparations?



Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:22 | 1800642 Quixotic_Not
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Lech Walesa Not Attending #OccupyWallStreet in New York After Discovering Hard-Left Organizers


The Polish champion of freedom and liberty, founder of Solidarity, winner of the 1984 Nobel Peace Prize, and first President of modern Poland Lech Walesa had been rumored to possibly be traveling to New York to stand with Occupy Wall Street protesters.


Based on our discussion and intervention, President Walesa is not going to get involved with the OWS.  He is not comfortable with the “organizations” behind the movement.


This spring, when President Obama visited Poland, President Walesa refused to meet with him.


America is a center-right country politically.  The Occupy movement, at its core, is a hard-left movement. If successful, America would cease to be governed on our founding principles of freedom and liberty. Thus, we react to the news that Lech Walesa will not support the OWS movement with much thankfulness...

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:29 | 1800665 Hohum
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I heard you the first time, dude.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:42 | 1800823 AldousHuxley
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better than nothing offered by liberals and republicans alike.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 21:46 | 1800951 TrulyBelieving
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How bout offering up something a good ol Patriot would demand.  A return to Constitutional Law, Freedom for the individual, Equal Justice for All, Small limited govt, Rule of Law, a free market. A country where honesty and integrity rule the day and corruption is not tolerated.   I know I am dreaming, my guess is that none of you even think this idea would work to begin with, not to mention it would'nt be worth trying because you would lose what you have, you know like free things from the gov,t. That being more important to you than freedom and liberty and all. So I say we are indeed in big trouble with no way out. You'll see to it that it gets worse for all, your hell  on earth that will come of you ignoring freedom and Liberty.   Nuff said

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 22:05 | 1801017 AldousHuxley
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Sure I'm all about freedom from bankster bailouts, less taxes for the middle class too.

How about if you work more than 1 year, you pay 15% income tax just like the long term capital gains tax?


“In the land of the free they tax me but not G.E.!”


I don't see Tea Party protesting like this, but they should. GE and GM got bailed out for messing around in exotic financials instead of manufacturing.

Protesters Occupy GE CEO Jeff Immelt's Connecticut Front Lawn

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 22:57 | 1801068 TrulyBelieving
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You are not for individual freedom. You want the spoils of productive people into your pocket instead of the banks. You fight the banks for the spoils, you are no better than the banks. You are indeed a foul person, but you could change.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:10 | 1801145 Quixotic_Not
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." ~ Samuel Adams

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 02:13 | 1801351 James-Morrison
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If you chase only material riches,

you will die at the back of the pack, a poor man.

Ask any eighty-year old, gasping for his last breath,

stuck in an oxygen tent,

as the plug is pulled.  

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 08:47 | 1801538 Monedas
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We need a Devil's Island for old Socialists ! Leave them there to create a Socialist paradise free of materialism ! Monedas 2011 I went to a Socialist prison colony and an abundant, Capitalist economy broke out !

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 08:53 | 1801541 boooyaaaah
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Taxes are so over done.
As Bachman pointed out the Gov spends 40% more than it takes in.
The gov does not come hat in hand begging the tax payer for this money.
This was the constitutional method. This is the basis for government of the people. The snakey pols have to beg for money.
No longer.
The banks can create money out of thin air. And every thing the touch turns to paper gold. And now they touch the workings of the free economy and turn it to paper gold. Worthless. They will mourn what they have done when the bullies take over.
But we the people were seduced, it wasn't the first time, it sounded so good the gov could spend and spend without begging us for more and more
Now they don't need us
They control their own purse strings
Rather than pandering to the taxpayer they pander to the non taxpayer who votes. And creates a false economy to care for their needs.
What did we expect from them. After all pols have their own self interest at heart.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 22:13 | 1801033 4 wheel drift
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simple and elegant.


i second your thoughts.


fuck the communists,

fuck the democratss,

fuck the republicans.

and above all....


fuck the free $hit army too

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 00:49 | 1801267 Hephasteus
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You talk alot about ignorance. Did you know canadians put their milk in bags?

How many people have ever heard of that?

You see because it's impractical and crazy and stupid. So they don't just come out and say hey guess what we put milk in bags.

The universe keeps it's secrets.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 09:10 | 1801550 Monedas
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I hate that, too ! In Mexico city, the low cost, welfare, pseudo milk comes in two liter plastic bags ! Socialist austerity that would make Scrooge wince ! No label, no open here, no calorie info, no cancer warning, no deposit, no litter warning, no allergy alert, no crib death warning ! The Socialist hate to follow their own rules as much as Turbo Tax Timmay hates to pay taxes ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Milk of Human Kindness

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 06:42 | 1801469 4 wheel drift
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Try reasoning with an ignorant maddened crowd...


-lol maddened ignorant crowd and reasoning -an oxymorron 


hollocaust of the arseholes is what's next...... 

deservingly so...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 03:01 | 1801380 AnAnonymous
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A return to Constitutional Law, Freedom for the individual, Equal Justice for All, Small limited govt, Rule of Law, a free market.


Language as a means to connect with reality is degrading in the US world order. As usual, US citizens want to see the causes everywhere but where they lie: it is low IQ people, migrants, public education etc...

Now lets look at the quoted sentence.

A return. Okay.

It implies the following, a start, an origin, an already existing state, condition etc...

So question: When,where for Constitutional Law, Freedom for the individual, Equal Justice for All, Small limited govt, Rule of Law, a free market?

The tearing down of language as a means to connect to reality has little to do with public education, IQ etc...

It has most to do with US citizenism and US citizens thriving on propaganda. They keep distorting words in order to propagate their twisted rewriting of basic events.

Please feel free to tell when and where for enable that return.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:14 | 1801602 TrulyBelieving
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It's easy to know what enables a return to Constitutional Law. The fact you don't know tells me it would be a waste of time explaining. Instead, for more understanding start by getting a dictionary and look up the word 'parasite' then apply that definition to yourself.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 16:55 | 1802588 Raging Debate
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An Anon - It depends what the meaning of is is

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 08:29 | 1801508 dehdhed
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"... all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."   -- Declaration of Independence  July 4th, 1776

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:48 | 1802055 toady
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I know, right?

I usually don't have time for these multi-page, spam, junk-blast posts, but that Q tool posted the same list a couple of days ago, and it looked like it might actually be a REAL list of demands, so I made the time to read it. It actually looks reasonable!

And since the main issue against the demands will end up being 'its too expensive', here is a list of cuts to pay for it;

'obamacare' goes away since there is now medicare for all. (saves roughly 10% GDP annually)

Cut DHS, a massive do-nothing.

Expire the bush tax cuts.

Well, you get the idea.

Basically get rid of massive government and corporate subsidies and subsidise the US citizens instead.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:08 | 1801140 amanfromMars
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Quixotic_Not, Howdy,

Your post of Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:36, failed to include this important and relevant bit of information. The omission suggests that you are a troll/shill/sad purveyor of lies and a less than skilled sockpuppet ...... 

Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! (User Submitted)

Posted Sept. 25, 2011, 3:46 p.m. EST (27 days ago) by anonymous

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and This content was not published by the collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands. ……



Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:12 | 1801148 Quixotic_Not
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"Fear is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and brutal a passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so stupid and miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of any political institution which is founded on it."  ~ John Adams

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:06 | 1802101 toady
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Do you HAVE an original thought, or is your entire universe just cut-n-paste?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 03:53 | 1801415 Carlyle Groupie
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"suggests that you are a troll/shill/sad purveyor of lies and a less than skilled sockpuppet"

True dat. Looks like Glenn Beck got another account on the hedge!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 10:15 | 1801583 njdoo7
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Do you mean the post that only linked to an article?  An article whose first two sentences are:

"The official OWS website posted the “demands” of a supporter a few days ago. It is not certain if the demands posted below represent the agreed upon consensus of the movement"


So it indeed did include "this important and relevant bit of information."


Your claim that these details were ommitted, when they are in the first two sentences, "suggests that you are a troll/shill/sad purveyor of lies and a less than skilled sockpuppet."


You're not only "less than skilled" but a morally inept and incompetent cheap whore of disinformation.  Take your propaganda and fuck off. 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:37 | 1801833 riley martini
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 Anyone could claim to be OWS or  tea party offically easy . Look how easy the Fascist republicans took over the tea party . So far the tea party republican have fought to lower wages for worker . I am sure they are well on their way to being million aires from bribes and insider trading by now . Not even a mention of massive fraud against Pensions or any corporate crimes against the American people .

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 02:26 | 1801359 James-Morrison
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A sad commentary on the times we live in.

Socialism is being debated as a viable system, after years of false-starts.

This is a glaring symptom of the student debt bubble.

There is a debt jubilee around the corner. All is forgiven.  

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:34 | 1802175 toady
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I know ALOT of people who pray for a debt jubilee every day.

I keep think I need to run up a bunch of debt before the jubilee!

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:44 | 1800707 Lord Welligton
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This spring, when President Obama visited Poland, President Walesa refused to meet with him.

That must have hurt someones pride.

Let's see?

Who actually deserved the Nobel Peace Prize?

Answers on a postcard.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 22:10 | 1801027 AldousHuxley
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nah, poland just following Putin's orders.


Nobel is inventor of TNT.


That's like Alan Greenspan gold prize.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 09:24 | 1801562 Monedas
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Obama didn't attend anniversary of razing the Berlin wall nor the funeral for Polish President et al who died in plane crash in Russia ! Payback time !     Putin loves Obammy for destroying America ! Maybe there is a little professional jealousy ? Obammy is doing in 4 years what they couldn't do in 90 years ! Monedas 2011 Korean Air Lines Flight 007 In Memoriam

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:01 | 1802598 Raging Debate
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Ya Lechs odds of flying the friendly skies are also prettylow these days.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:53 | 1800846 Milestones
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How big was the tree and how far up in it were you when you fell out??         Milestones

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 10:23 | 1801641 Schmoo
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America would cease to be governed on our founding principles of freedom and liberty.


...were you being serious?


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:10 | 1801757 Kayman
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Lech Walesa sold out a long time ago.  And Poland is now in the fiat tent.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 16:44 | 1802571 Raging Debate
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Ya Wellington. Quix fucked up he cares! Now he's involved :) Better not fuck up and care like Quix all you sheeple or your'll be making widgets for free instead 5% vigs. Any further attempts to push real capitalism and return to a virtuous business cycle and you will be shot on site
~ Lord Sauron

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:26 | 1800655 APC
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Ok, sorry, I'm with ya.  Like Stephen Colbert right?  I mean, no one can be this ruddy stupid.  The Bill Ayers reference is what ticked me off, by the way.  If you want to have everyone laughing, you may want to tone it down...

"...leaving paths of destruction wherever they go."  Classic, thanks for the laugh, and sorry bout the misunderstanding from the last thread.  Wink wink, nudge nudge.  (funny guy!)

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:39 | 1800697 APC
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You mean you were serious?  You just sent me to Ace of Spades HQ?  Ace of spades?  As in Michelle Malkin Ace of Spades?  I'm sorry for you son, but I'm afraid there's nothing that can be done.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:55 | 1800852 AldousHuxley
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Why hate on young Americans protesting AGAINST wall st.?


Because biggovernment LOVES wall st. (their money manager bitches).


Fox news and such "conservative" news are all liars like They channel people's anger against big government into MORE government subsidies and tax breaks.


Michelle Malkin is a complete sellout bitch. The kind of low class philipino bitch that would marry a honkey tonk for greencard. Beaware folks.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 06:33 | 1801467 nmewn
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"Michelle Malkin is a complete sellout bitch. The kind of low class philipino bitch that would marry a honkey tonk for greencard. Beaware folks."

Your bigot slip is showing.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:45 | 1802205 FreedomGuy
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Any intellect you might suppose for yourself and others might assume for you is gone.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:44 | 1801855 riley martini
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 Q Marx was not a Socialist . Socialism is what happens when capitalist become to corrupt to succed. Look at what the fascist media called the bonus army Veterans . Q the fascist are playing you like a fiddle or you are a fascist.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:42 | 1800703 Al Gorerhythm
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The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something you know nothing about and refuse to investigate. Dr. Wayne Dyer.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:05 | 1800741 Use of Weapons
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Yes... we all actually READ the site we log into already - thanks for a recursive link fest into threads we've already participated in.

Are you one of these tiresome CTRL+C - CTRL+V posters, or have you a voice of your own?

So far, you're regurgitating propaganda well, but a trained monkey can do that these days.



Hint: If you think Communist sleepers are still giving a fuck about their mission, then you need this:



Wake me up when you actually enter the 21st century.... its a lot more complicated than your two side cold war bollocks. Trust me - we will eat you for fucking breakfast, snake. We're the honey badgers & mongooses now, stupid mother fucker.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:25 | 1800779 New_Meat
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"Are you one of these tiresome CTRL+C - CTRL+V posters, or have you a voice of your own?"

I b thinkin' the same thing: like maybe GW when he's on the other side of his medz?

- Ned

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 00:08 | 1801212 UP Forester
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This thread looks like EVERY other thread for the last couple days when OWS is mentioned.

Q_N blasts every response with Commie, Lech, Socialist, BLAH BLAH BLAH....


BTW, the author forgot to mention COL Eisenhower was with GEN MacArthur when the Bonus Army was run out of town.  There's a good picture of them at the camp in the latest issue of DAV magazine, on the history of the DAV in the thirties....

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 00:27 | 1801213 Quixotic_Not
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Q_N blasts every response with Commie, Lech, Socialist, BLAH BLAH BLAH....


UP Forester History
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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams

"Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company...Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~ George Washington

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 01:01 | 1801290 UP Forester
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Yep.  Haven't been a "Member" for as long as you have, Herr Quix.

I have learned long before this not to keep playing "Polly Wanna Cracker" for a long time, as it tends to turn people off from whatever message I want to send.

I figure you want to bullhorn your message, but c'mon, on EVERY thread?

Makes it seem more than a little ridiculous to an FNG to see it over and over and over and over and over and over....

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 01:14 | 1801311 Quixotic_Not
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"Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company...Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~ George Washington


"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government...Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign world." ~ George Washington

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 01:31 | 1801327 UP Forester
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OK.  Thanks for reposting a quote without the bolds, they were kind of distracting, anyway.

It's getting a little ridiculous, though, so here's something else to chew on:

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 01:39 | 1801330 Quixotic_Not
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Member for 5 weeks 2 days
OWS-NYC = 5 weeks 1 day

"In Jewish history there are no coincidences. " ~ Elie Wiesel"
Sun, 10/23/2011 - 01:59 | 1801345 UP Forester
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Yep. I never visited this site before I was allowed to post, and perfectly timed the amount of time it took to pass all the anti-troll features just to twist your eye-patch.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 18:26 | 1802822 d_senti
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Q, I'm conservative, a Ron Paul supporter, wary about the possibility of OWS being co-opted, a fan of Golitsyn et al., and just generally the kind of guy you're targeting. So let me be among the many to say SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY. Everyone would would be interested has seen your links ten times by now. STOP IT.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 07:08 | 1801483 prains
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Q_N    46 weeks 1 day


wow, you da man....err  troll

your posts are ridiculous and completely transparent Beck

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 03:06 | 1801382 AnAnonymous
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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams


Made me laugh. From a US citizen who keeps posting about fabled past, that all it takes is to restore the US, claiming that the US was about freedom and stuff...

Facts are what they are but it is also a fact that the US citizens nature is eternal and that their capacity to deny facts is astounding.

They might even come with some properties of facts to justify their denial of facts.

If indeed facts have prevailed in this US driven world, the US world order would be otherwise.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 03:48 | 1801409 Incubus
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I've been a member longer than you have: here's the official "Incubus thinks you're a bitch" badge.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 05:48 | 1801458 UP Forester
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Dang.  I thought I was all alone.

Felt so lonely, big ol' crocodile tears were about to fall....

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 08:27 | 1801523 cossack55
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And don't forget Georgie S. Patton led the charge.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:30 | 1800789 Lord Welligton
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Wake me up when you actually enter the 21st century.... its a lot more complicated than your two side cold war bollocks.

The Cold War was a lot more complicated than your bollocks.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:37 | 1800807 Use of Weapons
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Charmed, I'm sure.

But then again, pretty sure I didn't think the Cold War was 'uncomplicated'. Just... boring. Predictable. RAND engineered. A prior tract in human thinking.  Entertainment, or rather - Hard pounding this, gentlemen; let's see who will pound longest 


But yes - I'm waiting for some meat on the table, and let's not make it a sandwich.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:45 | 1800826 Lord Welligton
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But yes - I'm waiting for some meat on the table, and let's not make it a sandwich.

Indeed. That wouldn't do at all.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 21:02 | 1800860 Use of Weapons
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Seen it before, but cute, I like your style... but wait, you went for the PG version.

The adult version is where he threatened Russia & China in one breath. [3.40]

Coupled with Hilary having an orgasm on camera over the death of Gaddafi, the current politos are merely trying to outdo Albright



Hmm. Your offering was a cucumber sandwich. Banal, and boring, and nothing we'd not eaten before. Let's just say that Hilary's orgasm is about to go global in meme terms. Plus... she's been eating a lot recently. Like... post Obama, she doesn't care about her figure? [Ironic post-feminist comment, but she's not actually 'human' anymore, so...]


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 00:40 | 1801248 CompassionateFascist
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Sun, 10/23/2011 - 05:10 | 1801452 Use of Weapons
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Mongooses are a family of small carnivores containing about 35 species, including the meerkat. Not only are mongooses rampant in Africa, they are also to be found in Asia and southern Europe. Some species live a solitary life while others live in packs and colonies, looking out for each other. Their speed and agility in attacking and killing poisonous snakes is legendary, with these battles often becoming roadside spectacles. Introduced into some places to control snakes and rodents, more often than not they become a worse problem themselves.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:20 | 1802653 Raging Debate
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I speak you language for a brief moment UoW:

The Eagle has become a Wolf. The Grizzly Bear has been poked one too many times. Put in these terms, their are solutions for the Eagle to be what is, the Dragon to be what it is and the Bear to be what it is.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 21:06 | 1800859 AldousHuxley
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You think that "Americans" are the ones that founded, funded and guide this new movement aka OWS?!?


So what's it to you. Yes some foreign fanboys wiill join in. They are pissed off at Fed for inflation too. And center of world banking is London, New York, so to hate banksters you have to hate some Americans.


The French supported American revolutionaries when we were fighting the redcoat British. You see that statue of liberty? That was a FOREIGN GIFT.

China and India are pouring money into US Chamber of Commerce to outsource any many american jobs as possible.

Zionazis are pouring money into AIPAC to get as much US taxpayers money into Israel as possible.

It goes both ways


Marxism, Communism, Chaos, Revolutions is what elites get when they mismanage the nation's resources and labor and fuck up everyone except themselves.


I don't know how much you have in your trust fund, but you aren't trying to solve anything except to continue the status quo which isn't working for many Americans. One advice: poor people don't stay hungry for long.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 21:35 | 1800949 el Gallinazo
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In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is a total asswipe.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 05:38 | 1801456 APC
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Hey bud.  Never seen you post here.  Mostly at TAE.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 01:47 | 1801322 Al Gorerhythm
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I am sympathetic to your stance. We have a local OWS and not one of them has a clue. The root of my displeasure is the fractional reserve status of our money system, the unbridled spending by government as an adjunct of it, the creation of debt slaves because of it and the ignorance of the masses in relation to it as based on the constitutional republic we are supposed to be living within. Complete and utter ignorance about the nature of money displayed by the majority of Streeters is the problem. if the OWS is as you say, then keep publishing. My comments were directed at you detractors. First comes ridicule..... We've been copping that for a long time. Ain't nothing unusual.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:17 | 1801782 Kayman
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So... OWS is funded by the far left, or more deviously by the Banksters.  Better to bash in a few leftist heads now than millions of middle class heads later.

Your analysis smells of your own propagands.

Next, you're going to tell me the Communists burned the Reichstag.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:40 | 1802715 UP Forester
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.... and the Poles attacked Gleiwicz....

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 22:14 | 1801030 The Grip
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..but still claim to know all about.


Here's Dyer's source, too, for shits and grins.

“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”

Some guy William Paley is supposed to have thrown that one out.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:59 | 1800737 Use of Weapons
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The Young people are listening to the old now? Hot shit, that's a new one - certainly wasn't the case in the '60s.




p.s. Shilling for cash doesn't have to be this degrading.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:08 | 1800745 Eally Ucked
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Waste of energy responding to that character. He said he's got a ton of money so probably he is one of those socialist getting bail-outs from taxpayers. And talking about communists, probably America is the last place you can find them unless you're talking about Amish people or similar religious groups.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:03 | 1800740 Jim Quinn
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I've been there and talked to the protestors. Your gibberish is nothing but ideological bullshit.

These people are young, old, middle aged, white, black, hispanic, asian, male, female, Republican, Democrat, Independent. They are you and me.

Do not believe the hate mongers spewing their misinformation about OWS.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:04 | 1800899 DavidPierre
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SmokeyQuinn spends one day touring with his clan at OWS in NYC looking for evidence to bolster his pet theories about the...


     “Mumbo jumbo, big words, more mumbo jumbo”—–Strauss and Howe

“Saeculum, yadda, yadda, spirit of America, yadda, yadda, Golden Age,”—-Strauss and Howe

“Ekpyrosis,  mumbo jumbo, Apocalypse, yadda, yadda, more big words”—Strauss and Howe


"Do not believe the hate mongers spewing their misinformation..." 

 SmokeyQuinn aids and abets...and is just as liable, and subject to the same measurement of damages and penalties, as the persons who committed the crime of the century on 9/11/2001.

He is an...


... knowing that an offense has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts and assists the offenders in order to hinder or prevent their apprehension, trial or punishment.

SmokeyQuinn, knowing a felony to have been committed by another, receives, relieves, comforts, and assists the felons in order to hinder the their apprehension, trial, and punishment. 



Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:32 | 1801819 Kayman
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the crime of the century on 9/11/2001

While we are talking about aiding and abetting, how about all planes on the groung on 9/11 EXCEPT FOR SAUDIS ESCAPING BY AIRPLANE.

The crime of the century is the conjuring up of unpayable debts by Central Banks so that the productive class is mortally wounded while the leeches at the top engorge themselves on the fruits of someone elses labor.


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:25 | 1801976 Clueless Economist
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Mr Quinn...I was there Saturday and spoke to the protesters that were not sleeping off hangovers.

They are 90% under the age of 25.  The other 10% are mostly aging 1960's hippies.

They are 90% white with the other 10% black/hispanic.  No Asians or Indians were seen.

They are 70% male and 30% female.

Judging by those I spoke to and the signs, they are 75% democrats and 25% socialists/marxists. 0% republicans, 0% conservatives.

They are hardcore left with a few other causes thrown in (police brutality/repeal drug laws/long live Che etc)

There were 0 Anti-Federal reserve signs.  There was 1 sign mentioning Ron Paul (Ron Paul/Barney Frank for president/vice president)

I will be posting more specifics and a link to Photobucket of the 151 photos I took.  There were more onlookers and the curious taking photos than the protesters themselves which numbered about 200.  I got the feeling it was a zoo, with the cops on the perimeter acting as zookeepers and the average folks like me taking photos of the animals who were more than happy to oblige.

This OWS/99% is complete and utter BS.  Nothing good is to come out of this.  I predict it will peter out when it becomes colder rather than devolve into violence.  The overall impression I got was it was a bunch of stoned slackers out to have a few weeks of fun giving the "Man" the finger.

One last thought...It was a lot cleaner than I thought it would be with 0% urine and feces (though all the restaurants in the area were crowded with stoned freakish looking youngsters waiting their turn to wash up in the rest room.

This is the truth of what I saw and experienced at OWS 10/22/11.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:04 | 1802252 Urban Redneck
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Comparing the OWS participants to the Bonus Army is ludicrous.  Unless OWS is made up of the secretarial and janitorial pools of GS and JPM, and they are preemptively protesting the relative impact of their bonus reductions vis-à-vis those at the top of the corporate ladder.  The Bonus Army served, and they marched against an employer whom they deemed to have not lived up to a promise.  Perhaps the OWS is made up of those now desperately seeking to invest in the US real estate market, and they are venting frustration at the bankers for rejecting their mortgage applications? 

The only recent analogue of the Bonus Army would be the walker and wheelchair brigades marching on Dan Rostenkowski et al.  However, even that comparison is dubious, as during the entire program life of the Social Security entitlement since a crippled jackass from of the Roosevelt Clan was hawking his snake oil on the radio- the only promise of entitlement has been verbally from politicians seeking to enter or remain in office.  In over 70 years of prolific Congressional legislation, not a single law has ever been enacted which guarantees future entitlement to a Social Security benefit.  So blaming Dan and his ilk actually presupposes that one attaches the same weight to the rhetoric of a politician seeking elected office as to an act of law passed by Congress.

A more appropriate comparison to the OWS fad would be the National Socialist rallies of the 1930's in Germany.  Blame the bankers and Jews for the war debts and the money printing, but don't dare blame our currently elected messianic Führer, who can’t resist car in the ditch metaphors - after all he inherited the mess from the previous guy.

If you actually about care about those meat puppets in the street who seek to enrich themselves by blaming others for their own predicament, then consider the price that was exacted from the Germans beginning in the aftermath of WWII.  TPTB engaged in a regime of social conditioning and reengineering which has reverberated through three generations of Germans.  Not only did the Germans stop blaming the bankers, they were conditioned to blame themselves and their Obummer, and to be happy in the austerity of repaying those harmed by their and their forbearers’ actions.  For decades the Germans dutifully repaid war debts (to whom?) and supported the protection racket of the US MIC.  After the Wall came down, and the rest of the world was smoking peace dividend hopium, the (former) West German citizenry was told that is time to start redistributing wealth to the East.  Now it's the Greeks, Spanish, Irish (or whatever scapegoat serves certain financial powers’ interests)... The German asses north of here are getting so sore that they are finally starting to awaken from the ¾ century trance of post war social conditioning.

The notion of OWS protesters and generations of their offspring telling their bankers "Thank you sir, may I buy you another yacht" is amusing, but the bankers certainly don't deserve that honor, and I have no desire to endure laws against criticizing bankers or mandating the criticizing of OWS protesters.  OWS needs to get its act together and start behaving like adults, otherwise, if things get out of hand, the masses will cheer like the Roman mob at their liquidation- scream queen winy bitches are an Asian fetish, and until a Fukushima exodus develops or cheap real estate immigration boom picks up- that shit don't fly in the US.  

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:13 | 1800755 Caviar Emptor
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OWS: Protesting that America has turned into a Corporate Welfare State 

Taxpayers supporting supposedly private enterprises with resulting decline in AMerican living standard

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 21:12 | 1800885 illyia
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Oh wear me out !!

In recent weeks, every American has watched with morbid curiosity as swarms of hate-filled, sputtering communist loons and Hippie-wannabees have taken to the streets, shutting down cities and leaving a path of destruction wherever they go.

Most Americans are not paying ANY ATTENTION to Wall Street, Occupied or Not. They are watching Dancing With The Stars or some such tripe: They.Do.Not.Care. They may hear a bite of this or that off and on - BUT MOST ARE NOT WATCHING WITH CURIOSITY - at all - NEVERMIND MORBID CURIOSITY !

Get a grip man. Haven't you heard: Not televised!

... so last generation... pathetic.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 00:17 | 1801226 Piranhanoia
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Soon as someone compares OWS to an ism,  the story becomes far fetched.  It would be like calling all the guys that came out to stop the Brits from getting across the bridge to get the gunpowder by their religions to separate them out as TSA targets.  There were 12 brewers, 3 millers, 2 anarchists, 1 Athenian Democratist, 2 blacksmiths, a gunsmith, four merchants, 6 monarchists, a couple roundheads, a puritan, a few protestants and a shitload of farmers that knew shit when they saw it.  And if someone came along and tried to tell them they were all different they would have looked at you and wondered if you'd been smoking some of Mr. Jefferson's Monticello Yellow.  M.Y. seems unlikely, but Cambridge Crack can make someone this paranoid and delusional about their neighbors wihtout cause.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 00:30 | 1801238 Quixotic_Not
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"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government...Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign world." ~ George Washington

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 00:43 | 1801255 Piranhanoia
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Those that began our first revolution did not look at what made their neighbors different.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 03:10 | 1801387 AnAnonymous
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Those that began our first revolution did not look at what made their neighbors different.

Of course they did. I bet that in your collection of portrays, all are white people, noone is a negro.

Right? Wrong?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 09:46 | 1801595 Monedas
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Negroes have a poor track record of promoting human freedom ! The most fortunate Negroes in history were blessed with being brought to America ! That isn't much of an endorsement for what they have done on their own ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Reality Check

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:33 | 1802697 Raging Debate
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Ya Monedas your right. So its a good thing they have the biggest dicks in the world to ram your white daughter with and become milado so they get your cunning and their physical prowess.

Class warfare is the method of justifying slavery. Every time.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 04:09 | 1801425 Rynak
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Sun, 10/23/2011 - 10:50 | 1801701 greenfire
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You make me laugh with you repetitive, shill efforts to undermine #OWS.  Make youself useful.  Go out and engage the kids, or bring about the change you want to see, if you actually have any initiative beyond blogging, but you clearly have the fear, my friend, and it shows.

That, in itself, means #OWS is working, and it puts a broad smile on my face.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 06:36 | 1801468 Raging Debate
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My take: Wealthy rulers implement social democracies as a means to keep the plebes im place with bread and circuses. I think that pyramids formation means ramp up and with them ups the variety of the bread and the run-down in bust reduces it. Europe and Russia have experimented far longer than America has with these kinds of government systems. I view intentionally promoting them as a form of having a lack of creativity but I should also state mankind is nearing the place where we can look into that giant mirror and find new models for growth that are dynamic rather than static. The argument in the Central Bank model that frequent unpredictable recessions (once called panics) occur is irrelevant. We had 11 'panics' anyway after the great depression.

Central Banking model encourages moral hazard by skimming labor which multiplies the division of. Having an entire nation of unemployed and starving labor brings out the supporter of Social Democracies like Gorbachev. He may properly recognize mankind still winds up with a pyramid but hasn't been convinced "This time is different" in the reality that man has finished evolving to 4d management paradigms and that this form of management (wider risk diffusion) is more stable, more predictable and hence builds more lasting confidence and subsequent growth.

So as an Adam Smith capitalist I realize we are now finishing up our transition from 3d to 4d. I can say we NEVER implemented Capitalism or Communism but rather forms of Fascism, say what did the NAZI party letters actually stand for?

All class wars use some form of racism or excuse for violence and taxation against the citizenship and class war is always attempt at slavery, property theft and using propaganda to justify immoral externalization. Lets be realists and look at the world to say mankind has done better with outright slavery. There is less starrvation than centuries past and people are more educated. With Central Banking model, the foundation itself can be upgraded from 3d to 4d. Bernanke is paid to know this time was different and knew that outright fraud was occurring. He should have blown the whistle to the public this time.

Now history will remember him as the last emperor of an empire made of iron and clay. A naked emperor.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 06:42 | 1801471 Raging Debate
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should have added one more word or two to my narrative so my sentence said 'mankind was doing better abandoning outright slavery'

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 07:58 | 1801504 ZippyDooDah
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Quix---Do me a favor fucknut, get back on your meds.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 08:10 | 1801513 mjk0259
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You think OWS is a Marxist plot. You already said this what - 300 times? I could write something to do your comments for you in ten minutes.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:49 | 1801873 BlankfeinDiamond
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"In recent weeks, every American has watched with morbid curiosity as swarms of hate-filled, sputtering communist loons and Hippie-wannabees have taken to the streets, shutting down cities and leaving a path of destruction wherever they go."

WTF are you blathering about.  I haven't seen any cities left in smoldering ruins because of OWS you fucking facist.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:38 | 1803159 Rhodin
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As a counterpoint, and to offer a little balance, some positive thoughts from someone who visited OWS recently.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:13 | 1800620 T-Bond
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Time for a website with the home addresses of the Fed governors just so the protestors can see they are just normal people and maybe cheer them on for doing a good job and looking out for all of us.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:29 | 1800666 AldousHuxley
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First you have to convince the sheeple to get off of Fox news and stop believing that top 0.01% competes under capitalism just as much as the labor.


But most working class folks can be bought off with cheap junket from Walmart as a proof that socialism for the rich we have now is working for them as well.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:52 | 1800839 topcallingtroll
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And you think CNN or MSNBC is any better, or the New York Times?

I look through all three from time to time including Drudge. It is pretty clear the left has their allies in the mainstream media too. Distortions and selective reporting and spinning news stories abounds.

No need to pick on Fox, and dont get me started about NPR.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 21:06 | 1800870 weinerdog43
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Exactly.  NPR has something like 47 listeners and has to scrape up contributions out of Charlie Rose' urinal and Fox are exactly the same. 

Nice trolling.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 21:22 | 1800909 AldousHuxley
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Well that's your problem....MAIN STREAM MEDIA aka. controlled propaganda machines  (all dictators know this)


Turn off the TV and stick with alternative media before they start censoring.

Saudi Billionaire Boasts of Manipulating Fox News Coverage

December 7, 2005
WASHINGTON -- Accuracy in Media (AIM) is urging a full inquiry into a report that a Saudi billionaire caused the Fox News Channel (FNC) to dramatically alter its coverage of the Muslim riots in France after he called the network to complain. The Saudi billionaire, Al-waleed bin Talal, is a friend of News Corporation chairman Rupert Murdoch and controls an influential number of voting shares in the company.

"This report underscores the danger of giving foreign interests a significant financial stake in U.S. media companies," declared Cliff Kincaid, editor of Accuracy in Media.  The report raises the specter of Arab money influencing News Corporation and other U.S. media companies.

Al-waleed personally called Rupert Murdoch to complain. The Saudi said, "After a short while, there was a change" in the coverage.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:06 | 1801127 Bolweevil
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Rupert Murdoch is a foreign interest. Accuracy in Media is an oxymoron.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:13 | 1800623 LeonardoFibonacci
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yet another negro wants to take the White House with his 666 plan!


Take the American out of African American & and you get Zimbabwe economics à la Obummer or Cain. Fuck our forefathers must be rolling in their graves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:30 | 1800670 Hohum
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I heard you the first time, too.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:34 | 1800677 AldousHuxley
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CFR puts candidate out there who would appeal to the populace they are going to screw the most:


Bush with poor white Christians (thanks for sending your sons off to war to get blown up for cheap gas)

Obama with youngsters and blacks (save boomers with debt younger generations will pay for later)

Cain with blacks again (shit, black folks just can't get a break)

Bachmann with poor Christians again (you can't pray away debt)


Jews better watch out when some jewish guy/women runs for presidency.


Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:18 | 1800762 ricocyb13
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afraid you are coming late to the party.........the Jews already CONTROL the government since many decades.


Bernie Mad-off for president!

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:14 | 1801149 Apeman
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You spew more crap out of your mouth than i spew out of my ass, but your link is damn funny

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 04:15 | 1801429 Carlyle Groupie
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The comment section on zero is (PC) quality challenged. What happened to the good old days?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 03:11 | 1801389 AnAnonymous
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Take the American out of African American & and you get Zimbabwe economics à la Obummer or Cain.

Zimbabwe is US economics. Not the reverse.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:48 | 1803176 Rhodin
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Got to agree.  They were just too dumb to realise they can't get away with it, without a world navy and the reserve currency.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:13 | 1800625 Lord Welligton
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The looting has been going on that long.

They will kill Citizens again.

They will protect what they have.

They will install a new President.

They don't give a fuck about you.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:40 | 1800699 AldousHuxley
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Most of them don't give a fuck about their own

  • wives (multiple wives just for political correctness or wealth consolidation amongst elite families + expensive hookers on the side)
  • friends (as long as they have something to offer)
  • children (nanny raised, boarding school educated)

so why the heck would they care about you?

Their interests (conservation of inheritance) is not exactly aligned with your interests (growth of income to go towards financial security)

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:49 | 1800717 Lord Welligton
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Well your are right on most.

Except the last.

Their interests (conservation of inheritance)

They don't care for that either.

They are psychopaths.

They know that they leave nothing.

They pretend humanity.

They worship death not life.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 21:30 | 1800938 AldousHuxley
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you are right.


They don't even know what they are doing because money has saved their ass so many times.


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 00:14 | 1801216 UP Forester
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They don't care about money. They care about power. Over everyone and everything.

If they kill everything and everyone, and there are two left in their bunker, they will fight to the death just to be the last thing standing....

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 06:52 | 1801476 Raging Debate
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"Forgive them Father for they know not what they do" - Jesus

Well that was 2,000 years ago. It still applies but it is getting harder to forgive as mankind has now measured the pro's and con's of triangulation and it comes up short of a 4d paradigm box shape man CAN now implement. There won't be a forgive and forget with 2 billion casualties of modern war...

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:13 | 1800626 X.inf.capt
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Yep, and if the OWS gets much more support without being co- opted, i fear the same my happen to them...

only worse this time...

dissent is not looked at favorably by TPTB....

they remember france in the revolution....

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:07 | 1801129 Bob
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Naomi Wolf (Shock Doctrine, et al) arrested by NYPD in peaceful Wall Street protest . . . Homeland Security closes the entire street prior to her arrival at PD, warned that if arrested there again photo and prints will be entered in national database that lasts "forever."

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:54 | 1802756 Raging Debate
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No worries that database of so called criminals will be deleted late.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:20 | 1800631 benslawyer
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Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:19 | 1800640 benslawyer
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So what will the label be this time? (cough, terrorists, cough)  Guess we'd better be writing the 40,000 troops coming home from Iraq with a headsup!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 00:16 | 1801221 UP Forester
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Doubt they'll be coming home.  They may be out of Iraq, but Kuwait is still only a short pop from Iran.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:25 | 1800654 SkySavage
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And how did it all end?  WWII.  That way, there was a reason for all the destruction, which would have come anyway in another less violent form.  The same can be said for the situation today...either let the winds of creative destruction blow, or destroy things intentionally with a world war. 

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