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Guest Post: American Military Pit Bulls And Their Handlers
Submitted by Ben Tanosborn
American Military Pit Bulls And Their Handlers
It is not what the few do but what the many don’t do. That really represents what we are all about, co-conspirators in a sea of silence. Marines who view despicable acts committed by other marines remain silent; the officers, who are well aware of this behavior, condone it, invariably following the “ethical criminal” attitude in war morality of “when in war, shit happens”; and the nation prefers to play the part of Pontius Pilates.
Hillary Clinton, most everyone in our government, and those hypocrites at the Pentagon should not be acting surprised at the outrageous and contemptuous behavior of those four marines from Camp Lejeune desecrating the Taliban’s corpses. The four have received no different training, or possess different brainwashed mindsets, from the other 200,000+ marines now on active duty, or the 1,600,000+ empire-warriors comprising our international police force.
No, the Marine Corps does not teach its men to do such detestable and gravely outrageous things, none of the military services do; but neither do they teach them not to do them, or demand that honorable conduct be peer-enforced. Therein lays the problem, honorable conduct taking a back seat to fellowship and camaraderie among fellow servicemen, particularly marines. And not just honorable conduct but humane, moral conduct as well!
And no, these are not only isolated cases that occur; only isolated in how they come to be public knowledge, their frequency just a minuscule fraction of the instances in which they happen. Ask any member of the military. I have, and ‘been there myself. If the academies do not demand, and unequivocally enforce, that honorable conduct be peer-enforced, how can such be expected to take place in the enlisted ranks?
Human rights and dignity have never been part of the military code of ethics, not in the officer nor in the enlisted ranks. In fact, ethics most often stands in the way of all military missions no matter how we try to rationalize soldiers’ behavior, embellish it, or try to find glory where there is none. American citizenry, no different from that in other countries, has been content to have its military stick to vague or irrelevant terminology such as that used at the Military Academy at West Point: “Duty, Honor and Country.”
West Point’s Cadet Honor Code, similar to that of the other military academies, states that “A cadet will not lie, cheat, or steal…” but it took until 1970 to have a most important clause added, as military criminal behavior in Vietnam was becoming better known through inductees returning home, or tolerate those who do. And, as it became evident with the cheating scandal at Annapolis just two decades ago, misguided loyalty to their peers persists, appearing to take precedence over any established code of conduct. And that, no matter how often it is denied, is an irrefutable fact.
In any event, it is less about honor and more about morality, two things that all too often we tend to use interchangeably. Our own “Sage of Baltimore”, H. L. Mencken, proved to be right on target when he stated that “the difference between a moral man and a man of honor is that the latter regrets a discreditable act, even when it has worked and he has not been caught” [Chrestomathy 617].
A well-known four-star general (US Army, retired) and television military analyst, Barry McCaffrey, when commenting on this recent marine incident eluded to the fact that soldiers under similar circumstances [assumed to be in combat or post-combat] can walk a fine line between acting normal and becoming animals. I am sure he meant irrational, for most animals have set behaviors, and seldom develop deviant ones.
That brings me to man and his best friend in the animal kingdom: the dog. For whatever reasons, invalid and repulsive to many of us, man (or at least some men) has decided to breed and train dogs with some undesirable characteristics, such as combative ferocity and instinct to kill. Americans have done a masterful job in this regard with the Pit Bull Terrier. And now, we as a nation are doing the same thing with the young men we are sending to fight our illegitimate wars – not to cast legitimacy to any war. Our grunts and junior officers have become the pit bulls fighting the wars, the military brass and the nation as a whole becoming their handlers, directly responsible for their amoral acts.
No one in the world is going to buy into our defensive hypocrisy of this incident, Madame Clinton. If we don’t want “shit to happen,” let’s just stop having these wars. Better yet, let’s tell the world our hypocrisy is coming to an end by renaming our Department of Defense for what it really is, our Department of War.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/users/bill1102inf/track
For everyone who doesn't know that account of wtb already (probably not many regular ZHers, since he has been spamming shit for a while now).
You blind retard, as you can see I post MAYBE 2 or 3 times a day when im around. Hardly spam. But have fun playing games in your diaper.
The last idea in the write up was that War is bad and training dogs and men to be mean is bad. I think most will agree.
US fighting men as well as fighting men World Wide and through out history have done things that were best not done.
However, pissing on a dead man is not like cutting his head off while he is alive or killing him over a period of hours to make him suffer greatly. Any person that fights is subject to abuse from the hands of the enemy. We in the USA do not hear all the stories about what has happened to our sons, daughters, wives, husbands, fathers, mothers, or grandparents at the hands of Jihad. The payback could quickly get out of hand. The atrocities of War can be hidden for centuries, depending upon who owns the media. Even the US media does not want to enrage the people by telling the stories about what happens to our guys.
Just like the Jihad Muslim US soldier at San Antonio that shoots and kills a bunch of innocent US service persons while screaming Muslin hate, is said by the US Government to be a Work related incident. Bullshit!
We are not always right, or wrong. But this is my Country, my People, and the Future of my children and grandchildren. I will not go to another country because times are bad. I will not be roll over when my Government becomes oppressive and tyrannical. I will not accept destructive attacks upon those service men and women that defend the ideals of the Nation (even under wrong WH leadership).
Given the opportunity I would piss on you, and invite you to do the same if we enter combat. We could, as it were, have a pissing contest.
And my dog will bite you if you come into the yard. "Let loose the Dogs of War", is not exactly new language, maybe a thousand or two years old.
What do you expect when we have been at war for ten years? Nerves are frayed and the discipline is not as planned always. Face it we could have had the same results in six months. It's time to move on and if we have to come back so be it.
Strength in our military is necessary and should be used as a deterrent rather than an encouragement. It's kind of strange but we are perceived as weak when we are fighting wars and as strong when we are not by the world's deviants.
Hey Ozzie:
to "elude" is not the same as to "allude", Dude
I assume the same learning supports your thesis here.
Talking to me man?
Let the Talaban bastards complain to Daniel Pearl. War is hell and shouldn't be sanitized by the "progressives". Gouge their eyes out and make them eat it.
You win a war by breaking the other guy's spirit. You can't do that by being nice about killing them. This is why we haven't "won" a war since the "progressive" left took power and their limp-dicked policies have created more misery in the world than the wars themselves. The Palestinians are the perfect example. Many of them have been in "refugee camps" since 1948 for god's sake.
Hint: Upvoting your post with multiple of your accounts, will not go unnoticed, williamthebastard.
yeah, and they were not even palestinians until the 1960s
before that political moniker was coined, they were just arabs
"before that political moniker was coined, they were just arabs"
....but where did they live? Where did they farm, raise families, and bury their dead for generations, if not the land now known as Palestine?
You get shot at for 40-days straight and tell me what you do when you finally nail the fucker, M'kay?
This could only be written by a Fucking Pussy Liberal Piece of shit. Sorry. I don't condone the action at all either, but to find fault w/ a group of teenagers that have actually faced death personally for any length of time is just the biggest piece of pussy political pandering I've seen in a long time. Go vote for Obama you worthless fuck. Get out of my Country!
Yes, this was written by the "wacko" Tyler. You can smell his posts by their stench of progressive, shitting thinking.
It wasn't written by any tyler, GFY, and you KNOW THAT, williamthebastard.
Correct, so it was "posted" by the wacko Tyler. Not much diff.
Hey Paladin, if you still "have gun" then "travel", as in off this site!
You've got an IQ of 95, right?
Yes, are you jealous?!
Too inconsistent and random rant.
To the author: Consider carefully your chain of argumentation, make it clear instead of hiding it behind rapid-fire rethorics and obscurity... and then make your point. That way, any reader with at least a bit of competence (not many) can follow up your chain of argumentation, and check if it at least logically makes sense.
In this case instead - as valid as the point of the article may be (or not be), it has been made almost impossible to validate, thanks to rapid-fire rethorics and claims, that are spread about as wide as "spray and pray".
TL/DR: Main argument of the article's author may be valid, but argumentation is so sparse and discontinious, that it becomes almost impossible to logically validate the claim, without plain shallow "belief" or worse... validation by plain checking of "keywords" (puke!).
It's already too late. The best we can do now is learn. This paradigm is over. Death spasms aside, stick a fork in it.
I think the main hypocracy lies not with people in uniform, or with the politicians, but with the populace of America itself. We drive in circles, from bakery to movie theatre on the back of blood soaked dollars we have because, and onlu because, of the Military Industrial Complex. What should we expect from politicians? They are paid to lie. What should we expect from soldiers? They are paid to kill. It is we who should expect more and better from ourseves.
Until we make an effort to end the wars past a day's march and protest, we have the blood on our hands.
But Lenny, war is so profitable and the message so easy to control. Don't blame the sheep when the hay is "free".
Urine-gate is meaningless. The reason for wars matter:
"Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers" -Congressman Louis T. McFadden, 1932
(Before two assassination attempts and a suspicious death)
As much as I disagree with reckless warmongering, I must say that once war is upon you, its all fair game and there are no fucking rules. And that is why war should be the LAST option and that is why war is awful.
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Agree, mostly...
but there used to be codes of conduct, there used to be character, there used to be pride and class and a higher standard.
It's yet another "small" symptom of a general decline and loss of things that the collective We once aspired to.
From a zoomed-out view, We're pissing on Ourselves more than anything else.
And just think, these guys can come home and serve in our militarized police force.
Really? I mean, honestly, really? The Crusaders didn't mutiliate the muslim corpse's? GI's on Okinawa never did Nothing to the bodies they found in the foxhole? It's not like Torturing enemy combatants has been going on for some time or anything.
Nope, previous poster nailed it, war is hell, all bets are off at that point (e.g. Nuke the fucker's and bring our boy's home if that's what it takes!) Sorry. I didn't start this war, but I'll be damned if I'm going to leave it in a state that puts my children in harm's way.
"Really? I mean, honestly, really?"
Yes -- really.
"Nope, previous poster nailed it, war is hell, all bets are off at that point"
Yes -- war is hell.
And with due respect, ReeferMac, you missed my point Entirely.
It is the war and the war alone that puts anyone's children in harm's way. You can't toss your kids into a hornets' nest and then claim that by swatting at and peeing on the hornets which are eating your children alive you are defending them. It's insane.
If we "nuke them" your children will be taking in the radiation thereof! Think before you type.
so anyone that declares war is granted a free for all, is that it?
Or is it just when the West declares war and then only the west gets a free for all as can be seen on this thread the constant reason that we do what we do is becuase they are worse but but but , it's war or did they declare and we didn't take up the war until later and now we cry that they are just a bad bunch of meanies.
That's it i guess.
monkey shit splatter has more reason.
Actually the act itself is no big deal. But the propaganda this helps create for the Taliban fighters is counter productive to the mission US troops have been given in Afghanistan.
We invaded and occupied Afghanistan and natives in no small numbers are fighting back against the foreign troops on their soil. When they were Soviets, Americans called the Taliban heros. A few decades later and now it is our troops fighting to occupy Afghanistan and the taliban are terrorists.
What would you say of the Afghan people if they sat back and accepted every invading army that plowed into their country? Would Americans accept an invasion if it was for our own supposed good? Get serious, we want to control Afghanistan because it offers a great position for strong US forces to operate from in the positioning of forces to encircle Russia and China.
I am just guessing, but I believe that every America killed and wounded in the Afghanistan occupation will have suffered for nothing in the long run. Will we occupy for ever, can we afford to?
Can't wait to see American corpses pissed on. Then we'll see how pissed off people get.
After Taliban sees this on their laptops how would you like to be the first American soldier they get their hands on?
Is that like a "no more Mr. Nice Guy" Hitler joke?
If you read an account of Britan's occupation of Afghanistan during the reign of Queen Victoria, you will realize the Afghans have been masters of torture of their enemies for centuries--and franky I challenge anyone to provide an example of war without atrocities. While I don't condone this sort of thing, I think the young men and women we send over there are already subject to horrific torture when unfortunate enough to get caught alive.
Again, I see the war as the larger problem, and ending our involvement will end the lesser problem.
Can't wait to see American corpses pissed on. Then we'll see how pissed off people get.
Me too. It's not that the lower orders are self aware and would learn something. But it would make for an instructional and amusing social experiment. Nationalism being a form of mental illness, you just know the hysterics and flaming hypocrisy from the flag-humping, keyboard warriors who infest this site would be off the charts.
That stuff is on full display *right here* in this thread *right now*.
Being proud of your country is actually not bad, if you don't go overboard.
I think Nationalism has been hijacked for evil though.
But corpse pissers and puppy tossers on both sides?
Jailed. Then abandoned without ammo in the country of their enemies after the "war" is over.
Our hijacked government figuratively pisses on our brave men and women in the military every day. Why else would they allow soldiers to use DU weapons which are a death sentence to all that use them and all in the vicinity?
What a bunch of bullshit. Despicable is when they behead a child for not being religious enough, or dragging US soldier bodies around while filmed, or stoning rape victims or... REALLY shitty... is going to war for corporate profit and using the excuse of WMD and nukes when you know it is crap... right, CHENEY, Bush, Powell???
...after speaking (at a local bicycle shop in the D.C. Metro area) with a guy. whom recently shot and killed some teenagers that tried to attack his ''multi million dollars worth of'' offroad vehicles and cargo heading to the family home, a guy born in Afgahnistan to wealth, it's clear that bandits come in all shapes and sizes. You are not a soldier when you are an invader, you are a bandit employed by evil basatrds with a bigger weapon.
Once your demonize another whole people the way that Muslims as a whole people have been demonized by the Zionists and their associates in Washington, then young men in the military will see the enemy they are fighting as less than human. In the end, it is they, the young men, who become less than human.
War is immoral and the DESTRUCTION of mind and body because these men are trained to destroy human lives. This is a polar opposite to what we are used to in civilian life i.e. we protect and nuture life with love. A war IS about learning to HATE the other side, kill or be killed. You cannot put that barbaric act into context unless you have actually been there and done that.
When you train men to kill other men, you are training them to do something that is not in their nature. It amazes me that people who do not know or can pretend to know the horrors of war, are now judging these men from a different paradigm. What these pussies want is a sanitized version of killing in a war. To them dead meat comes from the supermarket and they would not recognize that killing animals too is pretty brutal act. The hypocrisy of liberals, the saga continues.
And like the pit bull, not all soldiers are suited for war...Pissing matches are for boys!
War, being what it is.
The military, being what it is.
Our so called leaders, being who they are.
We are forgetting, or maybe we just don't know anymore, but, the responsibility of teaching morality is and always should be upon the backs of parents. The problem is most do not believe morals are based upon the laws of God but have deleted God from their lives and therefore morals are what ever we decide they are. With that as a compass, no wonder we see events such as these repeated in many different ways by many different classes of society.
Who is to say what is wrong or right, what is exceptable or what is not? Our Government? Our Churches? Professors? The media? You, me?
I'm not looking for an answer for I know what the answer is, the problem is the sheeple do not and they out-number us.
God help us all
one needn't believe in a FatherSkyGod to be aware of their own inner moral compass.
in fact, not going to war for your gods is far more moral than killing other humans being because a man tells you your god desires this.
I would be grateful if the couch commandoes would keep their venomous fangs to themselves. Not only is it utterly disgusting to speak on behalf of active duty when all you do is watch drone video feeds all day, it is very disrespectful.
As for the warriors, let's have a mature discussion and let's use Iraq for the sake of berevity.
You were told that you were going to:
After neigh a decade of massacring the innocent and trampling on the weak, what have the parties involved in this catastrophe known as Iraq achieved:
It is therefore no surprise that veterans are taking a stand against this madness, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19u4JR_55b0
It makes absolutely no sense that members of the species are willing to sacrifice their life betraying it and lining the pockets of private corporations.
Is that really why you joined? To advance an agenda that will enslave you, your children and everyone around you?
Sometimes, I have to think long and hard about whether Kissinger was right or wrong to refer to you as "dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy". Maybe that is what you are?
Sounds like a vigorous vote for Ron Paul, I'd say...
me too.
"I have to think long and hard about whether Kissinger was right or wrong to refer to you as "dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy". Maybe that is what you are?"
It's the stressors of war that turn you into an animal in alot of cases. One little thing slides, then another, then straight up violating orders to protect your unit seems okay after 2 tours. I have an IQ of over 135 and quallified for 7 MOS and enlisted for all the Honorable reasons. Your not required to think, your required to follow orders, period, ask too many questions and you end up friendly fragged like Pat Tillman may God rest his soul.
Thinking for yourself is something that places you into smaller and smaller testing classes after your ASVAB exam, then a psychological caliper test will determine your end result of just what MOS you will go to AIT for, if your too smart, it won't be infantry, usually MP, Advanced weapons training or Army Intellegence, if there is such a thing. Jus sayin'.
Everything begins to become normal after you see what the other side of the wire is like. It tends to fracture your mind from stress if your not strong mentally to begin with, I have seen West Point Second Lieutenant's accomplished E6's with Apache helicopter training come back fractured mentally and turned a whole new personality after 1 tour. It steals our National Treasures because they may be carrying out orders they didn't expect to. For the most part, every solider has enlisted with good intentions to defend a Nation but this war makes most soldiers into animals, why do you think the suicide rate is so high when troops return? But, that's war, especially when there is no clear end game or objective, but that was their plan, Battle harden them and bring them back home stateside to Police the streets of America, First Brigade 101 Airborne for example. NDAA.
Here is an example of the real offenders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=sobvCjAEad4&NR=1
CACI. Halliburton, Titan, CIA. Blackwater/XE Security, Global Security, KBR, Dyn Corp Int, Triple Canopy.. etc.. Multi Billion dollar war for profit and Private Corperations.
good points made, particularly the final list of why wars are being fought - if only more people would drop the "brave soldiers fighting for our freedom!" nonsense. . . but this won't be happening any time soon, I realse.
you mention the high suicide rate, and I just wanted to add that the fists full of pharma handed out to the military, including all kinds of "anti-anxiety" and "anti-depressants" often experimental, results in psychosis and serious messing with the brain chemistry. . . add to that various stresses, including "integrating" back into an insane "culture" upon returning "home" - it's no wonder some choose to check out. . .
You have not said nothing new...http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf
What's the big deal? Our government sanctions pissing, like when the National Endowment for the Arts funded Piss Christ. When liberals figuratively piss on the religion of the majority of Americans, that's somehow okay, because that's liberal art, right? Pathetic!
This example documented above ain't shit, civillians would curl up in the fetal position and suck their thumb if they knew the truth about what we really do overseas. Bad shots are always covered up, residence being re-labled Al Qaeda to justify means and it happens more times than you could imagine.
This story, although discusting as it may seem, to me is nothing to write home about. It was purposfully leaked IMHO, no doubt about it. Nobody in a unit want's to be labled a "Blue Falcon" so the abuses and murders of innocent victims and stated "enemies" will continue, code of silence is always the call of the day. Someone had an axe to grind. That's war, turn your head if you can't handle it. Geneva Convention NATO rules have been out the window for some time now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC-m4lwpgy0
As you were.
Well said Sir.
We can understand it but do not condone.
Reading various message boards, I convinced we are heading for a civil war right here in America.
A New Dark Age is looming over America. I just hope we will not fall to a Somalia abyss.
A New Dark Age is looming over America. I just hope we will not fall to a Somalia abyss.
Yeah, but from lands unknown, a new leader shall arise amongst this nation and bring "Hope and Change"
sarc off/on
I'm waiting for a society based on the music of the Wyld Stallyns.
It is getting darker...
But can we have a civil war when there are 22 sides?
There are only "two" sides; freedom or tyranny. Pick your side. Choose your weapon.
It seems a bit hypocritical to train someone to kill our enemies but not piss on them--where is the outrage for the war in the first place? Isn't america's passive acceptance of ongoing war without defined objectives and and exit strategy the real outrage?
dup post.
1970: Information from Answers.com
I know its not politically correct, but all this outrage is what happens in the 'winning hearts and minds' and 'nation building' bullshit that passes for wars these days.
This shit isn't war, its corporate or political policy.
Put people in a position where there lives are on the line and you better expect atrocities. That is why people should not be put in that position unless their very exsistence is at stake.
Ron Paul 2012
When has war been otherwise?
War hasn't been war since Korea at least, maybe more. Everything since haa been a 'police action' or some such nonsence that hasn't been worth the lives lost.
Stop putting G.I.s in bad situations unless absolutly neccesary.
a reminder: all "actions" in other nationstates have been undertaken by volunteers since the draft ended in 1973.
if we want people to stop volunteering to fight on behalf of the corporate police state, we all need to stop "saluting" them for their "service" - and keep telling the truths about "war" - else the machine will continue the murdering.
Double post--sorry.
Hmmm. I'm not sure that statement about a moral man vs a man of honor is true. I would say that the difference between the two is that both a moral man and a man of honor would perceive, and regret the act... but honorable man might more readily admit his culpability than moral man.
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What would be expected of a society in which people depend on government to rob their neighbors, for their gain? That's how government programs work, in the United States, and in every other Socialist structure. By giving their consent in their citizenship status, U.S. citizens are party to all that is offensive in this incident, and worse.
http://georgesblogforum.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/the-daily-climb-2/
Those boys were pissing on our Father in Christ and themselves. They also lost the high ground in the theatre.
...and as an American, and a Saint sealed by the mercy of our Father in Christ, they pissed on me.
Take it from a Brat who also wore BDU's,
"Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers you do unto me."
I assure you those combatants were not "brothers in Christ", else they'd have been elsewhere, instead of TRYING TO KILL US TROOPS.
Every man is Jesus' brother.
Moon, the point is the two sides are brothers in arms. When one side pisses on the other or chops off a head etc... they are far from even that, muchless any portion of The Spirit of Heaven.
I heard the testimony of a Vietnam Vet, while they were still active, after they came back from meeting their old counterpart, whom was also still active in their force at the time. Let me ask you, do you think those boys will ever be sent on such a mission? Lol. They have no future in the military, they pissed on it, and America.
Well you are not a brother in christ if you are sure of that as no man can know that.
carry on dog.
nope... war made them crazy .. they saw the vision of the drugs .. the light of hillery
it was the face of war they pizzed on.
they pizzed in the toilet .. they pizzed on the lies, they pizzed on the foreign policy, they pizzed on wag the dog .. a soiled shoe .. thrown over the wires of pavlovian gruel.
I just don't get it. Someone please enlighten me? Its OK to kill the enemy in horrific manners but not desecrate their bodies. They are dead, and they are the enemy. These actions are not new as this is what happens when people go to war any war. You hate your enemies when they are alive why would this change once they are dead. I suggest that everyone read A Rumor of War by Philip Caputo to get an understanding of this issue. As far as blaming the the military for the war, they do not form policy as the author states the blame lies with the whole nation. I like the following quote, America is not at war. The Marine Corps is at war; America is at the mall. Unless you actually went to war and still maintained your high standards of conduct, do not judge the actions of these marines.
Rape and pillage used to attract the typa a personalities to war where lots died. Now they all just go to wall street!!
You really don't get it. You show that in your post.
The mil serves the country and it's laws and customs.
They are open to judgement of the people they serve simply is that way unless you wish to take down the civilian leadership model.
War is hell, they signed up knowing that thus they freely sibmitted to the command authority, that is not the mil.
Sorry but for now that's the country you have.
For once I find myself siding with the usa army, amazing.
First, you cannot take men and women who come from civil society and ask them to become killers of human beings unless you first dehumanize the enemy. Unless the enemy, the Taliban, is someone so inhuman that they deserve to be pissed upon, how can you justify killing them? So, then, how is it that the reality is that it is acceptable legally to kill them but not to pee on them? If you think about his logically, the notion is clearly absurd.
And then look at it from the other side. The Taliban come from an uncivil society that idealizes killing as a form of religious duty, are a people that throw acid into the eyes of girls who simply dare to go to school. Their mutilation of enemy corpses is common and includes dismembering and beheading. There is never a peep from the muslim world about these desecrations, nor from the Western world. It is taken for granted if noticed at all.
The fact that usa secretary and army would comment on the urination at all, let alone apologize, shows that the usa leaders do not have any intention to actually defeat the taliban and encourages the tailiban to redouble their efforts. And why not? They are rewarded in heaven for their killing and mutilation and the usa is condemned for its soldiers peeing. With odds like that the outcome of this war was clear from the beginning.
Apocalypse now redux - for real
...what the enemy does holds no value, vaule rests with the victor that has overcome the enemy in spirit and in battle. Fear not, go with our Father in Christ and be risen in agreement with the meaning of life, which is love.
''...we had to destroy the world to save the world'', Lol, that's how to quantify that Major moron that started with a village, and to get to the heart of darkness one must of course begin with killing the Son of Man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTsES7PYMK4
first prinicples, your whole post avoids them.
They freely signed up knowing the hazards and that they would be under the civilian authority who they serve.
Simply the truth.
I would rather be pissed on than dead. If you are going to pee on me and then kill me - I'd rather be killed first
here I come from a Golden Shower costs extra.
The Governement pisses and shits on us all the time....and we are not dead!! Where is the outrage in the US????
I would have covered the douche bag terrorists in BACON!
The Governement pisses and shits on us all the time....and we are not dead!! Where is the outrage in the US????
I would have covered the douche bag terrorists in BACON!
Come on guys, water is scarce there. The Marines were 'cleansing' the bodies before they could be properly buried.
I'm against this so called stupid war on terrorism as a practical matter.
But then again I am completely comfortable with letting our enemies know they have been defeated.
The way I see it the only problem is allowing it to be videotaped.
I guess it shouldn't be a surprise to myself the only "B" I ever got in military science was
"military professional ethics"
I suppose my comment to the Colonel: "I'll do whatever it takes to win" didn't go over so well.
I'd say urinating on dead enemy is pretty darn tame.
We can't ask them to be dominating WARRIORS one moment and spineless geeks the next and still expect Victory.
"We can't ask them to be dominating WARRIORS one moment and spineless geeks the next and still expect Victory."
The enemy was dead. Defeated.
Then an adult man-child from the US Marines decided to pee-pee on the dead enemy and giggle.
He sure showed that dead man.....
Sounds very warrior-ish. NOT.
More like the practice of some homosexuals. If that's what you meant by "dominating".
Round up these corpse pissers and jail them for a while. Then dishonourable discharge.
Sex offender like status too...cause we need to keep an eye on these perverts/sickos.
No telling what they will do when they come back to the US. For real.
Urinating on something just like those decals depicting a ford or chevy emblem being pissed on is one of contempt and denigration.
Your attempt to equate it with homosexuality (and sexual perversion) says more about your sexual insecurities/proclivities than these soldiers.
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean
We are proud to bear the title
Of United States Marines
The Golden Shower guys are Marines? The Marine memorial here in DC features young Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima. Moving.
WTF has gone down over the past seventy years?
...having witness the caskets go by, from the porch, and walked among the graves at Arlington at night, I have always considered those graven images (statues), in the District of the (pagan) Columbia goddesss, trophies of Lucifer. How deceived we are as humans in general, to be so tempted as to commit to suiced and war against our own flesh.
One day, as I carried the wreath, for the U.S. Air Force, to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, as I was headed to the Old Guard's door, I was overcome with emotion, as I passed by the people that stood silent in front of it. It came to me ...that no true soldier is unknown to our Father in Christ. People that are inspired to piss upon dead bodies have something they will not forget, and in time, if they find mercy, they will ask to be forgiven and not forgotten or they will remain unbecoming and shall not rise.
Nothing the Marines did it the Japanese too, please read...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_mutilation_of_Japanese_war_dead
I think this video was "leaked" for clandestine reasons.
let me see if i understand. The President can authorize killing of an American citizen without a trial and start a war w/o congressional approval and that's OK. However some Marine's take leak on some guys that are already dead and the world has a shit fit?
Simplistic troll.
Corpse pissing "Marines" - Evil
Unlawful President - Evil
Does that clear it up any?
Honestly, desecration of corpses is a significant insult amongst the Pashtun. This will result in more Marines dying overall than would have otherwise. The way SEAL TEAM 6 was dispatched after the so-called Osama raid you would think it would make the boys not want to call attention to themselves.
Having said that, the ancient rititual of pissing on a significant conquest did not start up with these Marines.
I know when During the first Iraq war, I was amongst the first of our group to get to a certain point on the Tigris River, reconniotering for Saddam Hussain's war crimes against those troublesome Kurds. It was a beautiful peaceful spot where the river bends on a high bluff and I felt the need to piss in the Tigris river. I did, at least I aimed in the right direction... It was near Ninivah, where Jonah got swallowed up by the whale. I did feel a certain sence of satisfaction from that event as I'm sure military men have felt the same down through the ages. I'm told one of the first events on George Pattons list when he got to the Rhine was to take a whiz...
Marines will normally do what their told to do and they won't do what their told not to do. I'm sure that those boys won't be pissing on any corpses anytime soon. The problem is these cell phone cameras in a war zone. What kind of a stupid leader authorizes that?
Desecration of corpes is an old military tradition really, so is revenge...and so it goes...
Wharfdaddy - The problem isn't cell phones - the problem is that we are sending thugs to war in the name of the American people. I do understand the nature of men at war - been there. It is a question of honor. It is sadly lacking these days, and there is no way to instill it in those who have none. I have no truck with the Taliban - they are despicable, and deserve far worse than a stream of US Marine urine. But we claim to be the honorable ones, the fighters for freedom and justice, and unless we walk the walk it is all in vain. I don't have the answer, but the fact of the matter appears to be that we are no better than those who we seek to portray as the scum of the earth.
Just curious in what war, and were you at the front? We are sending thugs because nobody else is volunteering to fight. I think you hit the nail on the head we are better educated, better trained, but no better, we are all human.
"It is a question of honor. It is sadly lacking these days, and there is no way to instill it in those who have none."
+1
To your quote, wharf (Thanks for your sevice, btw)... "This will result in more Marines dying overall..." a video response...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5IWK9sRYTs
Maybe Ben Tanosborn could sign his all knowing happy ass up, and go over to tell those guys how it really works.
This is article fucking tripe, lemme see If I can help you all understand another take on the video taped situation, though I too, was not there...
"These fucking non moving dickheads had been trying to kill these pictured Marines, minutes before, and these Marines couldn't say "Hey guys stop trying to kill us so we can pee!" But these peaceful religion worshipping camel fuckers were unable to kill said Marines. Once the firefight ended, the Marines were SOOO happy to be alive, being not dead, and all, they remembered they had to pee, really bad, and went wherever they could, oh, and to reiterate... a few minutes before those guys on the ground had tried to KILL THEM, FUCKING DEAD, KILL THEM, NOT LIKE ON HALO, OR METALGEAR, Not like when BEN'S MOM EMBARASSES HIM IN FRONT OF HIS FRIENDS FOR LIVING IN HER BASEMENT, and he thinks "I could kill her!" but... REALLY, REALLY FUCKING KILL THEM. THEY FAILED, Thankfully! God bless the US Marines!
AMEN!
whoever wrote this post was a moron of the worst kind.
PISS ON THE ENEMY! it's the PATRIOTIC thing to do.
http://expose2.wordpress.com
Worse than a moron; it's actually propaganda.
Tempest in a pee pot.
If the American people collectively cared about soldiers or the US Constitution, we wouldn't elect leaders who abuse both, and at a minimum, hold them accountable. I serve, and serve honorably with many others, despite what Mr. Tanosborn would like you to believe. Elected leaders have put the military in untenable positions of military adventure that many of us wanted no part of, and because of this, we now support Ron Paul in larger numbers than any other candidate (how does that fit with your thesis, Mr. Tanosborn?). A process of incrementalism, from Hurricane Katrina to NDAA, is slowly turning our guns inward, but only the American people can halt it and protect the soldier from such conflict. Perhaps the elite agenda is exactly that... destroy the faith the American people have in their military as last obstacle for subverting our constitutional Republic. Mr. Tanosborn, you certainly seem to be helping in that regard. Your conclusions are drawn from absurdly distorted premises about which you know very little and are at best uninformed, and at worst, lies. For those who come across this little strip of text in comment to your babble, perhaps they should know what flavor of tyranny provides the foundation of your views. From your website: "...so we will continue challenging the state of American politics with our progressive voice, our cry for social justice." What does it mean to be progressive and what is social justice? Is it about freedom and individual liberty?
Noli Me Calcare!
with respect (for you as a human, not as one in the service of the MIC), all those in the military are there because they chose to be there, for whatever myriad of reasons.
I agree with you that the government does not care about you, nor the populace in general, nor any of the historical documents related to this nationstate - however, when an individual volunteers to kill other individuals, to leave the boundaries of this country to kill other people in their own country, on behalf of the government you say does not care about you - how is this to be understood by those who do not make this choice?
when those in the military are tasked to kill people in other countries, how is it that you would have people "here" believe that those same soldiers would disobey orders to kill citizens LABELED "enemies' by new laws? because I believe it's the LABELS applied that allow soldiers to kill other humans - "enemy" "Taliban" "sand nigger" "rag head" etc. etc. - how is it that applying a label to someone in the "home country" will not result in the same compliance with orders?
voting in a new figurehead, no matter how hopeful people might be, will not resolve the decades of deceit and pretense of righteousness that citizens, and soldiers, labour under.
Quite a good comment because it sums up the position of US citizens.
Now is the moment when the Earth no longer yields enough to support and better that many US citizens in all their entitlements.
As a consequence, some US citizens are slipping to the wrong end of US citizenism.
As a reaction, these US citizens, who can no longer consider being on the right side of the US citizenism fence as a birth right, are now questioning the part of US citizenism they gladly ignored before that.
Remember here: key rule of US citizenism: US citizenism do not oppose tyranny, they oppose being tyrannized.
Here, they oppose being the desecrated corpses, not the desecrating of corpses.
And also, the bad, bad, bad military story is old.
Actually, being allowed in such behaviour and being lionized for it is quite a cause that led those US citizens to join the military.
All these wars are fun camps for some bored US citizens who feel their government is too oppressive at home and would like to commit themselves to this kind of activity on a more regular basis.
I serve, and serve honorably with many others, despite what Mr. Tanosborn would like you to believe.
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No. There is no honour among US citizens. Why do you expect from yourself what you do not have?
It is funny because the article is built on an observation I made a long time ago about US citizenism.
Usually, in groups of human beings (even checked on kindergaten play grounds), when some stuff like that happens, a division in three groups happen:
-people who support actively and take action to perpetuate the act
-people who turn their eyes the other way, and act indifferently
-people who oppose the act.
In US citizenism, mainly to be observed among police and military corps, the third category does not exist.
So what? It actually underlines the absence of honour among US citizens. Because honour demands that one opposes such acts. This is what honour is all about.
Now US citizens who serve in US military belong either to the first or the second category. Any claim of serving honourably is moot at this point.
US citizens have no honour and since from day one (1776, July, 4th) But they can be proud of some of their other qualities like being the best extorter of the weak, the best farmer of the poor ever recorded in human history.
I have seen your "honorable" people, supposedly with a 5000 year glorious headstart, steal teenage women from borders areas in SEAsia because your fucked up One Child Policy and selective abortion of females has created too many horny, self-abusing males who have no chance of actually finding a woman to care for them.
One would think that you would have your hands full---albeit not with your appendage---trying to make at least one of your 1.35 billion fellow "citizens" honorable. When you clean that up, maybe you can come back to your daily and tedious tune here. For the time being, stick to trying to make something honorable of your Chinese "citizenism". That is a full time job.
What's "alls fair in" again?
There is obviously something else...look at what the CDC is advising we all prepare for:
Social Media: Preparedness 101: Zombie Apocalypsehttp://www.bt.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp
It could be funny if it weren't for real.
War is nothing more than men trying to kill each other based on what they are told by their superiors; there are no morals, no rules and certainly no god because if there were, there would be no killing!
War is nothing more than men trying to kill each other based on what they are told by their superiors; there are no morals, no rules and certainly no god because if there were, there would be no killing!
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Here, another fine example of the category of US citizens they call critical thinkers.
One could see in men trying to kill each oter based on what they are told by their superior a rule or even a morality.
But US citizenism requests submission, submission and submission.
US citizenism is all about submission. If you dont submit to the group, you are against the group.
That is why it is so natural and easy for US citizens to state a rule and in the same breath claim there is no rule.
I was in a unit just like this one. Its not good that this got out on the web but its hard to blame these young men for this on act of Gallows Humor. Untill you have been shot at with the intention of being killed all the arm chair gens need a tall glass of "shut the hell up" war is hell and shit like this has been going on since Cain Killed Able. That being said it was bad judgemnt to have that tender moment uploaded to the web. These guys will have there careers destroyed and the Corps will most likly give them the" BIG green Wennie" and make an example of them. Leadership and the court of public opion at its best.
After 10 years of war these guys have been in the shit for a long time. It is what it IS. Killing is not normal to humans and knowing what was in there heads is for GOD to decide.
I for one would buy these cats enough beer so if they needed to take a leak on men trying to killem they could do so with a full bladder.
Semper Fi Brother STA Marines.
Thats all I got to say about this.
I took some Privates, on leave, out in the Metro area and the place would not serve them beers because they were to young. One was the 50 gunner on their V and the other talked about how he would let him know about trouble when he was inside looking for the trouble. When the waitress said it would cost the place a license, I said, these guys are the reason you have one? Obviously not. So I said lets go and they had a few beers in the car on the way back to dropping them off. Gallows humor my ass. Young and dumb is what that is. If these morons were 10 years in the field that would make them around 30. I can't think of anyone with a 1000 yard stare at 30 that I know who would consider pissing on dead bodies who isn't an asshole I would surely ''not'' want behind me ...for fear of getting pissed on with bullets. Do you know any Generals that would not shit down this hill? Is your shit in the wind?
I'm not an armchair general. I am a shareholder by compulsion. And I don't care for the way the business is being operated.
Might I suggest you roll up your sleeves and go show 'em how to do it?
But I want no part of it. Not in my name and not on my dime, if you please.
Untill you have been shot at with the intention of being killed all the arm chair gens need a tall glass of "shut the hell up" war is hell and shit like this has been going on since Cain Killed Able.
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That is a fine example of US citizenish support to freedom of speech.
Who by whom? Guys repelling invaders in their own country?
Does having been shot at by US citizens on US soil count? Or maybe the intent of killing was not there?
Glad to learn that Abel and Cain story was war.
US world order, a world of cheap propaganda.
I won't defend our invasion of Iraq, but in the case of Afghanistan they did come over and attack us. It could be said that by taking the response to their attack to their soil we avoid more conflict here.
No, these are scared but brave 18 year old boys forced by circumstances and ordered to become killers in a very short period of time. These boys aren't the guilty parties, they are just mere tools used by so called educated leaders to achieve their dubious aims.
It's the think tanks, universities, politicians, banksters and the so called religious zealot leaders on both sides who are to blame as well as the armchair revolutionaries and reactionaries hypocrites on the sidelines.
This guy is so wrong I have a hard time figuring out where to start.
First of all, the comments on the academy honor codes ignores the US Air Force Academy honor code. The honor code created by the first graduating class was and is still today: "We will not lie, steal, or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." This code has required cadets at that academy to report those that they find out have violated the honor code and if they don't they are subject to dismissal. This has prompted huge numbers of cadets to be dismissed at periodic intervals, one being 1965 where everyone who was involved and those who knew about a cheating scandal were dismissed. It's a tough code, and the other academies did not have the same level of intolerance until recently, but I believe it was certainly in place before the Gulf War for field grade personnel coming out of all of the academies. What's interesting to note here is that our armed forces have a very large percentage of civilian educated officers who become officers through many routes other than the academies. Colin Powell, for example, was an ROTC graduate. Since we create officers from our citizenry as part of our commitment to have civilian influence and control in our armed forces, you can't blame this event on the academies and their honor codes.
I won't speak for other services, but I will speak for the Marines. Before an individual can be called a Marine, they must undergo training at either the infamous Parris Island Marine Corps Recruiting Depot (MCRD) or the Camp Pendleton (aka "Hollywood") MCRD. During the training, they are taught AND MUST PASS WRITTEN TESTS SHOWING THEIR COMPREHENSION of the US Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), the history of the US Marine Corps, general military history and specifically the role of the military versus the general public. Having been an advisor and an auditor of these classes, I know for a fact that they get taught specifically on respecting their vanquished enemy, dead or alive.
In addition to basic training, the concepts of the UCMJ and respect for an enemy are taught three other times to recent Marines prior to deployment in-theater. First, they get a refresher on these topics in infantry school (Infantry Training Batallion - ITNB school) if they are going to be part of the combat arms or in Marine Combat Training (MCT) if they are in the support arms. Once again, they get a touch on this topic i their MOS (Military Occupational Specialty) schools as the topic of UCMJ and combat relates to their specialty and in their MCI internal professional development on-line classes. They are tested in writing, and in practice every stage of their training. Lastly, they get specialized training on this very topic specifically for the areas they will enter (which includes cultural training, etc.) prior to theater deployment.
Unfortunately young men in the Marines, even though trained and educated extensively on their legal and moral responsibilities, will fail. About 1-2% do so annually. Many go theough the feared Non-Judicial "NJP" process and are punished with jail, fines or other types of punishment.
The Marines are unique in that they are in their minds the "special service", and their record and the demands placed on them truly reflect that. Their sense of loyalty for their bretheren is legend among all fighters since they started, especially after World War 2. They are the junior service of the Navy, and they feel justifiably that their existence is always one step away from budgetary oblivion the the military leadership espousing mediocrity as you see in other services. They are also the least paid of the services, the economic efficiency of the Corps is achieved about by their unique espirit d'corps,
One of the cornerstones of the education is that Marines may fight innovatively and aggressively, but fairly. The enemy is expected to be respected if they are tough and to fight fairly and aggresively. Unfortunately, that's not the case in war and what young Marines have seen routinely in Iraq and Afghanistan is continuous violations of legal warfare. The Taliban use civilians as shields, they kill innocent civilians and in the case of Iraq, they have mutilated American service personnel and contractors (remember what they did to the Americans on that bridge in Fallujah? - they cut them up). You know that they have cut the heads off US servicemen and civilians (remember the video of the beheading of Daniel Pearl? The USMC Colonel kidnapped in Beirut?) during this war.
I don't condone what the young men did. What they did was certainly stupid., even though we don't know yet the details of the engagement and the stress levels the Marines had endured prior to the incident, We also don't know if they were goaded into doiung this despicable act, Combat can make a man into an animal, especially when you've lost comrades and the enemy acts illegally or immorally from a warfare perspective. These were snipers, and many snipers currently are doing an increasing number of counter-sniper missions to kill foreign based fighters (many from Iran and Syria) who prey in children in remote villages they want to control in the Helmand Valley. However, I vigorously reject that there is a major general and continuing conspiracy at the enlisted and junior grade field officer levels. If there is to be one, I'd call it at the higher levels of command.
I'll agree with you that the boots on the ground have been abused by the politicians like GW Bush in that we should never have entered into Iraq without a clear exit and execution plan, but that's not related to this event.
This guy is so wrong I have a hard time figuring out where to start.
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Dont start.
Unfortunately, this delusional author simply made a simple observation.
And by your behaviour, actually, you confirmed his observation.
As expected, since US citizenism is what US citizens do and their nature is eternal.
Combat between human beings is a horrible thing, my friend. No one should ever face it. Mortal combat re-defines the psyche of every human being. Getting shot at changes you, citizen or not.
As a child, I saw a Cathloic priest gun down innocent people with an AK-47 in a firing squad at a checkpoint in the name of "The Revolution" in Cuba. Fortunately, as a documented American citizen they spared me. The Harvard educated philosopher next to me died crying like a baby and screaming in English "but educated people taught me thet normal humans, especially a man of the cloth shouldn't be acting this way!". I hope you never have to face it although if ZH is right in that violence and combat may appear some day at our doorsteps from an economic collapse.
Speaking of combat...
BREAKING NEWS
America surrenders to the Taliban! I heard it on the John Bachelor show last night. It's true... the Obama Adminstration and the Taliban are posturing their way into terms of our surrender...
http://www.fuckfrance.com/topic/4033709/1/Discussions/US-of-A-surrenders...
Ben Tanosborn - Woke up hating himself and then started pissing all over the American identity since he figured out a typewriter...
Let me get this straight, you're confused and pissed off because a bunch of 18, 19, or early 20 something poor dumb shits get conned/ propogandized into joining the army/marine corps. They get pumped full of half bullshit, half wisdom over 10-12 weeks of basic plus a few more for AIT, but they're to fucking dumb to know the difference THEN get sent to by their omnipotent government overlord civilians in their ivory polygon building in disneyland, to butfuckistan. They arrive all pumped up, but soon find their best friends (better than High school) getting their ass shot off, blown with holes from IEDs in front of their own eyes. Most of these kids haven't even lost so much as their grandmother or their family fucking dog. It shakes them to their foundation. do you fucking really think anything an officer or nco will say to every one of these guys will diffuse every situation!!!???? What the fuck planet do you live on?!?!?!!! They just saw their best friend die, and they just found someone they are going to blame and get revenge!
I was an officer, and I'd throw the fucking hammer down on anyone under me who pulled that shit. But does that mean I don't understand it?? Of course I fucking do! Anyone who has any humanity can understand it. Do you really want to know so is ultimately responsible? Uncle Sam is, notwithstanding the dumb shits who pissed on the bodies, but the government and politicians hold most of that responsibility.
The fucking guy who wrote this clearly hasn't spent a day in the kush, nor more than a small share of the posters here.
More likely, he's spent all day smoking the kush, in his parents basement....
I've skimmed thro the 300 + posts and there's the usual crap & garbage from the American haters. The post, from TD or a clone says it all....
detestable and gravely outrageous things...No one in the world is going to buy into our defensive hypocrisy of this incident....the four have received no different training, or possess different brainwashed mindsets, from the other 200,000+ marines now on active duty, or the 1,600,000+ empire-warriors comprising our international police force......outrageous and contemptuous behavior of those four marines from Camp Lejeune desecrating the Taliban’s corpses.
and on and on the ass-backwards drivel, the near treacherous, cowardly, enemy supportive crap goes.
THE ONLY THING CONTEMPTUOUS IS TD AND/OR CLONE(S) AND YOU (LARGELY) BUNCH OF ASS-LICKERS!
How many of you key-board heroes have ever been shot at? These AMERICAN HEROES were not killed, THEY killed the enemy! That's what YOU pay them to do, you key-board, weak-kneed, vacuous, enemy loving shitheads.
So they did something they shouldn't have - they probably aren't proud. BUT HOW DOES PISSING ON A CORPSE COMPARE TO BEHEADING A LIVE PERSON? OR BLOWING UP A MARKET FULL OF WOMEN & KIDS? USS COLE? TOWERS 1 & 2 , ETC ETC FUCKING ETC.
Look, I only use bad language in extreme cases. This is one: FUCK YOU, YOU BUNCH OF FUCKING TRAITORS!
One day soon, you'll realise what you're dealing with but it'll be too late. You're white-anting your own country you bunch of smug, 'intelligent' idiots.
you desereve your fate. And is't close.
I was too pissed to articulate, and I raise my glass to you.
Oh! Slight error. looks like some weirdo called Ben Taliban wrote this post, not the fine & fair -minded, illustrious, handsome Tyler Durden (or one of His equally well-regarded Mates. (please don't ban me Tyler, I'm just gettin' in me stride..)
Sorry, another error ( maybe AA and I should team up... me for errors, AA for incoherancy). It's Ben Tanosborn, not Taliban. Don't know how that happened.
Ben Tanosborn sings like Tannhauser....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannhäuser
Woooooo...
Usually, I admit that US citizens are duplicitous but this author is delusional.
Honour in US citizenism?
But lol.
Yep, nobles in the past times,could be dishonourable butthey could also be honourable.
US citizens? Who remembers one noticeable US citizen acting honourably? One name.
One billion dollars quizz question: much better to be asked to quote one hundred nobles who acted honourably than only oneUS citizenwho acted honourably.
US citizenism does not include honour. Dont look for it among US citizenism.
Yer some kinda feriner, ain't cha?
AA - please respond before your first drink. Thx
Kind of best shots US citizens can deliver.
Why does it matter?
Once again, because the good times when US citizens could coerce their way up through bamboozling.
As of today, US cheap propaganda is way too cheap to manage coercion.
Can no longer address any factual statement made at them.
US citizens can not do without coercion.
Expect a rise of other ways to coerce as well, propaganda no longer delivers.
And your society is any higher then ours that you can look down on it?
Morality was sent out of the window the moment one single human was killed for cheap oil.
Better to state that US citizenism deploys its own set of morality, and that set does not include honour.
US citizenism spreads its own morality code, mind you.
Yeah. We get it. You no likee US Americans.
It is funny (and yet once again expected) that US citizens come up with that type of answer.
Small backwarding: US citizens divide humanity in many categories, one being people who govern themselves through reason and other people who are agitated by their passion.
Yet,anytime one comes up with a factual observation about US citizens, it is all up to love and hate.
If you love US citizens, you suppress yourself from speaking out the observations made when they are the kind that are desobliging to US citizens.
If you tell, it can only be because you hate US citizens.
Factuality has nothing to do with that.
Facts are only medium for hate and love in US citizenism.
So, sorry, but it is not about liking, not liking US citizens. It is about facts and the deductions made from those facts.
It has nothing to do with love or hate.
Love,hate do not make facts.
Finally, as usually, when US citizens accuse people of doing this or that, they talk about themselves.
Whenthey speak about people agitated by their passion, they speak of themselves.
If you love US citizens, self censor. That is freedom of speech for you.
No one has the slightest clue of what you're on about.
No.
US citizens have the biggest clue of what I am about but they can not address it.
Self indiction.
Your answer is no different in tune and substance than the murderer claiming he has no clue when asked about his murder.
The murder knows but wont tell.
US citizens know what they have told, they know what they do and they are duplicitous.
The dumb and dumber play trick is just that, a play trick.
US citizens know for example what weight indefinite detention holds in US citizenism. They know what they have told about indefinite detention. They are aware of it.
Now, so easily, one can find, just as you did, US citizens who will claim that they do not know the weight of the indefinite detention topic in US citizenism.
In that, they will be backed up in their comment by their US citizen fellows and the dumb and dumber fallacy (US citizens are growing dumber and dumber by the day, because of the evil US government)
Key rule in US citizenism: US citizens do not oppose tyranny, they oppose being tyranized.
US citizens do not oppose indefinite detention, they oppose being the ones detained indefinitively.
Duplicity, duplicity, duplicity.
Yeah, yeah. Great Satan. We get it, already.
It seems Americans are hellbent on repeating the same mistakes Europeans did during the first half of last century. Prior WWI, Europeans also thought their armies are the most honorable ones, whether it was British, French, German or Russian, all fighting supposedly for a "noble" cause. Prior WWII, Germans thought their army is the defender of western civilization against Soviet menace.
Probably it will take a real bad defeat or even a lousy victory, casualties in the millions, before Americans also realize war is not something you should go into easily with guns blazing and ladies laughing. Americans never suffer from their own wars in their own country and that has created a dangerous illusion of invincibility. 9/11 shattered somewhat that illusion but it will take a lot more before the reality of war really bites back.