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Guest Post: America's "Do As I Say, Not As I Do" Warfare

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Submitted by James E. Miller of the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada,

Last week the New York Times ran an article adapted from David E. Sanger’s new book “Confront and Conceal: Obama’s Secret Wars and Surprising Use of American Power” which detailed President Obama’s efforts at waging a secretive cyber war with Iran.  This report coincided with the revealing of the heinous and dictatorial decision process Obama and his close advisers go through when ordering the assassination of “militants” who they conveniently provide no evidence of legit criminal activity for.  The cyber war program, code-named Olympic Games, began under George W. Bush but like most of the illegal and morally corrupt foreign policy initiatives carried out by the former President, they have been pursued ever more vigorously by Obama.  From the continual drone assaults that take the lives of civilians and children to this new episode of covert but blatant cyber warfare, the so-called peace candidate of “hope and change” has revealed himself to be nothing more than another puppet of the affluent military industrial complex.

The success of the cyber attack, which Israel helped develop, has met mixed reviews.  While Obama administration officials claim it put back Iran’s nuclear enrichment by over a year, some experts say the Iranian regime recovered “quickly.”  Whether or not what is known as the Stuxnet virus was successful is really not the matter at hand however.  It’s yet another small instance of the encroaching authoritarianism and lack of restraint that defines the modern day office of the President.  Before the September 11th attacks, it was inconceivable that a sitting U.S. President could order the assassination of an American citizen without the luxury of charging him with a crime.  Now it’s met with a saddening indifference in the news media.

The real issue is what the Stuxnet worm stands for and that is an unapologetic act of war carried out by a government that continually portrays itself as the worldwide keeper of peace.

Last year the Pentagon concluded “that computer sabotage coming from another country can constitute an act of war” according to the Wall Street Journal.  Back in 2010, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declared “countries or individuals that engage in cyber attacks should face consequences and international condemnation.”

So what makes the U.S. government’s cyber warfare efforts different from those which are denounced as acts of aggression?  The answer is nothing.  Besides murder, state enforcers specialize in hyperbolic statements to shroud their true agenda.  The President goes on television to berate foreign dictators for murdering their own people while happily ordering his own death sentences unilaterally.  Members of Congress tell the American people their tireless efforts and deliberations are keeping them safe while accepting kickbacks from military contractors.  Intelligence agencies such as the F.B.I. and C.I.A. pretend to foil terrorist plots when in reality they find highly susceptible dopes to fill with propaganda, arm, and arrest.  Even your local police department claims to protect and serve while routinely harassing your neighbors with arbitrary fines and refusing to let you videotape them.  And that’s when they aren’t tazing pregnant women or homeless men to death.

The “do as I say not as I do” practice is one of the defining features of the state.  As influential libertarian writer Albert Jack Nock accurately noted:

the State claims and exercises the monopoly of crime. . . . It forbids private murder, but itself organizes murder on a colossal scale. It punishes private theft, but itself lays unscrupulous hands on anything it wants, whether the property of citizen or of alien.

One look at the pathetic state of Constitution in the U.S. shows just how futile the concept of limited government really is.  The document has been torn to shreds by politicians who preached short term necessity and privilege over constrained power.  There is no way one “ Goddamned piece of paper,” as President Bush is alleged to have called it, was going to act as a credible inhibitor to the sociopathic and power lusting aspirations of all public officials.  Mankind has proven capable of developing private systems of justice and arbitration.  Constitutional government is merely a fabrication, like Santa Clause, for gullible adults.

Leviathan’s growth and command over private life is both explicit through outright theft (taxation) and hidden by verbal chicanery.  Those who buy into the naïve notion that “we” are the government have been fooled into unquestioned obedience.  As Murray Rothbard writes:

The useful collective term “we” has enabled an ideological camouflage to be thrown over the reality of political life. If “we are the government,” then anything a government does to an individual is not only just and untyrannical but also “voluntary” on the part of the individual concerned. If the government has incurred a huge public debt which must be paid by taxing one group for the benefit of another, this reality of burden is obscured by saying that “we owe it to ourselves”; if the government conscripts a man, or throws him into jail for dissident opinion, then he is “doing it to himself” and, therefore, nothing untoward has occurred. Under this reasoning, any Jews murdered by the Nazi government were not murdered; instead, they must have “committed suicide,” since they were the government (which was democratically chosen), and, therefore, anything the government did to them was voluntary on their part.

The state purports to represent the people when all it does is leech off their labor in order to commit crimes at home and abroad.  Under the auspices of keeping democracy safe around the world, the foreign policy of the U.S. government has been one of bombing, killing, and overall domination.  Meanwhile, anti-American sentiment continues to spread by instances such as the C.I.A. targeting civilian responders to drone strikes who attempt to aid those who were attacked.  In some cases, the C.I.A. even launches drone attacks at the mourners in funerals held for those in earlier strikes.

These are the measures under which the American people are told they are being kept safe.  What would be constituted as war by any other nation is not so when carried out by the U.S. government.  But it’s all just another facade through which Washington pretends to serve the people when in reality it puts them in even more danger.


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Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:58 | 2498140 brewing
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let's get bombed bitchezzz...

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:15 | 2498172 YuropeanImbecille
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OR it could be the fact that Americans do not run their own government anymore (Occam's razor).

If you check who owns the media and the banks and provide the strongest lobbying groups in the country (as well as having "Dual citizenship" government officials such as senators among others...), you will find that ALL of these are "dual citizenship" men and women, with their heart and interests in another country.


Obviously I can not say which country that is, because then I would be one of those eviiiiil terrorist antisemitic hatemongerers.

But anyone stupid enough in the year of 2012, to still believe that the government works for YOU, basically deserves all the pain and suffering they get.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:22 | 2498193 veyron
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Your use of the pedobear makes you one of those eviiiiil terrorist antisemitic hatemongerers.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:07 | 2498377 GMadScientist
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Whereas your use of the pedobear merely makes you an enabler.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:35 | 2498505 Michael
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Those people doing drone attacks in the name of the USA and American citizens are INSANE!

I'm not kidding, I believe they are actually criminally insane.

They should be certified as such.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 08:19 | 2498798 Bob
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There's a fine line between genius and insanity they say. 

But it looks alot more like religion:

Obama's just doing God's work. 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 09:16 | 2498934 Max Hunter
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"they" as in, the criminally insane and the morons who buy the bullshit.. Very few social decisions are subjective, even though, that is what "they" want us to think. The truth is not subjective.  Right and wrong are blurred by those that want to do wrong but make it look right.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 08:44 | 2498873 1100-TACTICAL-12
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We have trained a whole generation of drone pilot's. Sit in front of a screen and kill allday. It's the norm for alot of ADD riddled flouride heads.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:07 | 2498275 Clashfan
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The Israeli lobby is indeed powerful and worth considering.

To believe that they run the world, though...

If it were merely that simple, why wouldn't the hypocritical WASPs just take everything the Jews have? There are so few of them and so many non-Jews. This makes absolutely no sense without further context.

What is happening is that a Luciferian system is in place. The system is running things. The Rothschilds happen to appear to be the head of that system, and many "Illuminati" families are of Jewish/Khazar bloodlines, true. But the Rockefellers? Not really.

A focus on the system would be more productive than focusing on the one, powerful lobby that is so hard to ignore. Israel is important to TPTB for reasons that are obvious (like maintaining instability in the ME) and reasons that are not (like the Luciferian value of the actual land).

Further, the idea that our government ever did work for the people of the US instead of for the global, elite, Luciferian system--the idea that Jews have somehow usurped something that once somehow worked--is extremely flawed, ignorant, and, excuse me--imbecilic.

Freemasons were chiefs among the founders of our "republic," for example. If one reads Paine's or Jefferson's positions on Christianity, for example, one quickly would learn that the USA was never founded as a Christian nation. The occultist symbolism in DC is just as strong as it is in Tel Aviv.

Sure, one big difference between religions is that the Jews do not go merely by the Torah (though some do--Jews have factions, too) but also use the Talmud and Kabbala (spell it how you like). But many Christian denoms have extrabiblical groups and doctrines that include occultist leanings. Start with the Catholics and look at Templars or Knights groups (Knights of Malta is a good one; Hospitallers, too) or Jesuits. Southern Baptists have tried to exclude Masons to no avail.

Scapegoats exist for distraction. Focus on the Luciferian system, and trace it back in time.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:45 | 2498337 ironsky
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"( like maintaining instability in the ME" )

So the Jews get the easy job?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 09:30 | 2498966 Max Hunter
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A focus on the system would be more productive than focusing on the one, powerful lobby that is so hard to ignore.

Very true.  Even though the Israel factor is hard to ignore.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:51 | 2498345 my puppy for prez
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I do agree with your thoughts on focusing on the Luciferian thread.  Evil is just that...evil.  But consider this:  Freemasonry is Kabbalistic in nature and theme.  In fact, one rabbi was quoted in public saying that freemasonry would be nothing without Judaism!  

Yes, there are many other Illuminati factions in existence, but none that impose the blatant threat to America more than the Zionists.  Zionists are basically the modern-day Pharisees, who considered their vile Talmud and Zohar as more important than the simple Torah.  

Your thoughts on the esoteric foundations of America are unfortunately correct.  I am starting to read a book that focuses on this topic.  

If you want to read a fantastic book that traces back into very early history, try reading Nesta Webster's "Secret Societies and Subersive Movements."  She was quite the researcher and intellectual.  It's a challenging read, but well worth the time and money.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:23 | 2498397 Clashfan
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Thanks, pup. Agreed on all points. Enjoyed this interaction, productive.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 04:56 | 2498595 Karl von Bahnhof
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This was good tip, just downloaded it...

BTW, very good source of reading 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 07:24 | 2498708 my puppy for prez
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You won't be sorry!  Webster was a Brit in the early part of the 20th century, so her use of vocabulary and syntax is of a much higher level than most authors today.  I have enjoyed reading books from earlier times...I feel smarter with every page read!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 07:34 | 2498727 my puppy for prez
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Just looked at that link....GREAT resources!  Thanks!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 09:37 | 2498983 Green Leader
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The Talmud is Edom's response to the resurrection of Yahushua.

I told these words to a Sephardic Messianic Rabbi last week. I hope he understands.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:01 | 2498363 Hugh G Rection
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"I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."

Revelation 2:9

Crypto Jews using 'antisemitism' label as carte blanche to fuck the world.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:00 | 2498483 Michael
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"Jews" will become irrelevant, so I don't bother myself thinking about this flaw in humanity anymore. I just revel in the fact that they are over-represented on Wall Street and in the current financial structure, and most former people working in the financial industry will be unemployed Jews as their monetary system comes crashing down on them. They should have diversified their skill set.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:12 | 2498491 Unique Snowflake
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Oh great. It's not enough that we have guilt in perpetuity for something one man ordered done to them over 70 years ago. Now we'll have to put up with being blamed for Holo2.0TM...the mass sackings of Wall St... 6 million more, hauled into the harsh light of mathematical reality. KristallTagTM

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:41 | 2498512 Clashfan
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Unique, by "one man," do you mean Rothschild, and are you sure it's 6 million? Or was it 600K?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:11 | 2498530 Michael
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Over did it with the nepotism thing. They're always consequences with over use.

Hope my computer doesn't go crazy when I post this comment like it did the last time.

Easily fixed.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:18 | 2498537 AnAnonymous
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Freemasons were chiefs among the founders of our "republic," for example. If one reads Paine's or Jefferson's positions on Christianity,


Paine was not a founding father. That is the US citizen liberal left that added it to the stock, when acknowledging that the FF pedigree, life, story and deeds would make it hard to anyone to believe that the US of A ever has ever stood for liberty, justice and truth.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 04:05 | 2498573 Clashfan
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The term "founding father" is vague, AA, but most consider Paine an intellectual founding father.

Maybe you plactice you Engrish now better, okay Joe? Me not know what the roadside shit you mean.

Who China founding father? Chairman Mao? Him biggest mass murderer in planet history, get cledit for kirring 20 mirrion peopre.

You go shit by load now. Bye bye.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 04:11 | 2498577 AnAnonymous
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I doubt China has any founding father.

Intellectual founding father? Sure. If you enlarge it enough, anyone will fit. Beware.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 04:30 | 2498585 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You've been slipping out of character lately, AnAnonymous. Additionally, your english language skills and grammar have been vacillating between adequate and atrocious.

Little doubt remains that you are not a single poster, but rather a trollodex of offuscationary propagandists.

But hey, what do you care? When ranting for rice and renminbi, the word count is what matters, not attention to detail.

The repugnant aroma of your citizenism surrounds you.


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:02 | 2500490 AnAnonymous
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What character? A new fantasy is being set up?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:40 | 2500628 Clashfan
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I've been enjoying your comments for a while, Stooge, and want to tell you that. :)

Btw, "trollodex" is a fantastic word. Thanks for that!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:26 | 2500010 tamboo
Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:48 | 2500635 Clashfan
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Yes, Tamboo, I like Rense. Not enough folks read stuff like this.

But again, Mullins seems to be blaming all Jews or Judaism, a bit over the top.

This piece also appears on Stormfront. Wonder why? Quotes like this: "the furry scavengers who have found their way through the sewers into every civilized place, are the international Jews." While there are some good facts here, there are few if any citations, and the piece leans more toward hate-mongering than info. It seems to lean toward race-baiting (or Jew-hating, or whatever you want to call it), which can be counter-productive.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:56 | 2498356 Hugh G Rection
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How Dare you Yuropean!

Just because Zionists have the largest lobby in DC, own the media and Hollywood, and the Federal Reserve System, doesn't mean we don't still have national sovereignty...

It's antisemitic to point out a criminal ashkenazi cartel thats not semitic, and that commits daily genocide of the semitic people of Palestine.

Next thing you know, you'll be asking stupid questions about Mossad blowing up trucks on 9/11, and trying to blow up the GW bridge. 


What does 9/11 mean for US Israel relations?  "It's very good." - Bibi Nutsandyahoo

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 04:07 | 2498574 Karl von Bahnhof
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Welcome to American Weimar. At least we know, what is going to be next...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 05:18 | 2498610 Clashfan
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All of you "Jews did it" folks should really listen to this interview. I have problems with Icke, sure. And Jones' ranting style is irritating, okay.

But the idea that Jewish people are somehow in cahoots and running the world is flawed in many ways.

Few people (okay, maybe a few) have done more to expose the Rothschilds' strategies for world domination than Jones and Icke. And both of them agree on this matter, clearly. It's satanism, not Jewishness or anything else:

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 07:53 | 2498756 New World Chaos
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Thanks for your well-researched work exposing the Luciferian/Satanic agenda here.  Keep it coming.  Most people would deny that something so monstrous and unified could exist.  This allows it to grow like a sentient, meth-secreting brain tumor.   Agree that Satanism is the real problem and most of the leaders aren't even real Jews (they're Khazars).

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:40 | 2499228 Colonial Intent
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If the Jewish people are running the world then they need to drastically rethink their strategy.


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:52 | 2500925 Hugh G Rection
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You can  scratch Bob Chapman off that list..

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:31 | 2501815 Clashfan
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Tamboo, I read through this list. One responder defends the water filter another attacks, and one comment notes that Chapman is not Jewish, to which the moderator responds:

"Whether Bob Chapman is a “Christian” or not has nothing whatsoever to do with his biology. Jews change their religion like they change underwear. I couldn’t care less what particular religion Bob Chapman has decided to settle on for this week. It’s completely irrelevant.

You seem to have confused religion with biology. Don’t feel too bad, most stupid people do that, and you’re obviously a stupid person."

Now this is racist beyond belief.

Again, Jones is clearly anti-Zionist and speaks against Zionism and Rothschilds in the clip I posted w/Icke.

Jones breaks stories and gives info that no other site offers. I appreciate the info. It's interesting. I've always known (known for a long time anyway) that he is married to a Jewish woman.

But what should he do? Not accept the Jewish money?

Just because someone's biology is Jewish, does that automatically make the person bad? Come on.

Interesting stuff, and I'll keep it in mind, and I don't think Jones is perfect, but his video on The Grove is terrific, the kind of thing we need.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The people on this site you offer want to say that just because someone's born Jewish, that means we can't ever like him or her, even after conversion? That's pretty hateful.

Again, not all Jews support Zionism. Even back when the idea was being floated (Zionism), many Jews opposed it.

I will continue to read stuff like this and to try to keep an open mind. Thanks. But Jones attacks the Rothschilds and Zionism plenty. And again, Zioinism is a problem. Occultism is a bigger problem. You would probably be surprised to find how many "Jew-hating" sites are run and monitored by Jews or the government to monitor Jew-haters, actually, too. Good luck with it. When I find sites that do a better job than Jones' sites, I will switch to them. In the meantime, thanks for the info, but the hatred against "biology" is not for me. :)

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:48 | 2498235 Freddie
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Hope & Change.   Hussein was a CIA op/cutout and Bush's old man was CiA.  After Reagan it was Ivy League CIA stooges.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:35 | 2498315 GFKjunior
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Hey idiot, Reagan was the same clown as Bush 1 - Obama.


Vice president- yale, 3 of his supreme court nominees went to Harvard, secretary of state- columbia, secretary of treasury- princeton, second sec. of treasury -harvard, chief of staff- princeton, secretary of defense- harvard, attorney general- harvard, and the list goes on and on. But hey whatever, every community needs an idiot. You one of ZH's premier stooges.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:05 | 2498372 Clashfan
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GFK, good points, but Reagan did get shot at by a Bush family friend (and others). This might have affected his presidency? Just a bit?

Not that I'm a big RR fan (at all). Just sayin'. He was shit as a CA governor, too.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:05 | 2498373 Hugh G Rection
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True.  Easy litmus test to figure out who was a real president, and who was a skull and boner puppet..


- Did the cartel blow his brains out?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:33 | 2498407 Clashfan
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Hugh G. is right. A study of the JFK hit reveals much, almost everything folks need to know about who's in charge now and what has always been happening.

As one explores this crucial moment of history, one has to ask why JFK was ever allowed to be president (by the Shitcago mob or anyone) and why he sacrificed himself. It's easy to see how Ted was given Senator-for-life privileges (like Specter) and controlled by Chappaquiddick. But why did the Kennedy brothers rebel? And how did they break free of their mind control?

We may all have opinions, sure, but I would offer that all presidents are likely SRA survivors with handlers. JFK's handler (or one of his handlers) was likely his father, who had a stroke. After that moment, there may have been some changes in the brothers. Then, perhaps more importantly, a government program involving Timothy Leary, Mary Pinchhot Meyer, and a buttload of high-grade, government LSD may have backfired. "He's changing too fast," Mary said.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 06:57 | 2498673 Optimusprime
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Ted Kennedy "rebel"?   Forget it--he it was who joined with Javitz to pass the 1965 immigration bill that, in tandem with the "cvili rights" movement (anti-white affirmative action forever), has done so much destroy what was worthwhile in America.


JFK another story.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:41 | 2500087 Clashfan
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Optimus, maybe I should have been more clear. Sorry. Let me try again. Ted was clearly not the man Bobby or Jack was. I mean to begin with, before Chappaquiddick.

But Chappaquiddick was likely a manufactured incident of some sort. It's unlikely that we'll ever know exactly what really happened there, but it was likely done to keep him controlled, imo.

As for the immigration bill in 65, I admit that I don't know much about that one. I will have to look into it, thanks.

But when I said "the brothers," I meant RFK and JFK, not Ted.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:49 | 2499573 William113
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The real idiots are the ones who gave Freddie an up arrow.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:59 | 2498261 samwell
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the article avoids the 800 lb gorilla in the room which is the racist, apartheid state of israel dictating US foreign policy.  it has nothing to do with "do as I say, not as I do".  It has to do with israel extorting the US government and therefore the US people into wars of agression that do not serve american interests.  Israel has the beans on the US government via its insidious Mossad spy agency, and if the US government doesn't do as Israel says, then it will be hell to pay.  Iran is a signatory to the NNPT, has no nukes despite the Jew media constantly crowing that they do, and has no intention to create a nuclear bomb.  Israel, on the other hand, is not a NNPT signatory and has actively refused to sign even with US "gently prodding", maintains a bristling stockpile of 300-500 nukes including submarine (dolphin) based aimed at many of Europe's most important cities including the vatican, paris, brussels, berline, london etc and would not hesitate to use them if their paranoia got the better of them.  Who is the real threat to the people of the world?  who is constantly attacking their neighbors, who is constantly appropriating land in the middle east?  who has been caught trying to sell a nuclear weapon to S. Aftrica?  Israel wants to maintain its hedgemony on nuclear weapons technology in the middle east so they can bully all of their neighbors.  Israel wouldn't actually fight a war against the Iranians as would be necessary once Iran was bombed.  The would have their daddy fight it for them as the spilling of Jew blood would be forbade when their is plently of goy blood of US milatary personnel to be spilled instead.  Let the dog catch the car for once and sit back and watch.  

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:06 | 2498273 john39
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when you control the printing press, its fairly easy to take over a "democratic" government...  as Rothschild bluntly explained so long ago.  people don't believe that a small cabal could accomplish such a thing, but they are naive.  it has been accomplished.  And most who serve the system have no clue who or what they are really supporting.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:06 | 2498274 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Allah is a pimp

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:09 | 2498379 GMadScientist
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Allah is the one true pimp.


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 07:28 | 2498717 francis_sawyer
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Ice T is a pimp...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 07:51 | 2498760 spankfish
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Pimpin' ain't easy....

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:37 | 2499220 Colonial Intent
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Psst, I got nude polaroids of Allah, only 50 shekels to a cute twink like yo............

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:11 | 2498276 AUD
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And with all your anti jew tirading, you no doubt still accept the credit of the Federal Reserve Bank in payment of debt?

Isn't Bernanke a jew? You accept the credit of a jew, yet lay shit on them.

You're the problem, not the Fed or the jews.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:13 | 2498384 TradingTroll
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AUD, you fuckwit, people are getting thrown in jail for using alternative currencies in the US

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:29 | 2498402 Hugh G Rection
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Unless special ed is a hobby of yours... I wouldn't bother.  Let Corky return to his regularly scheduled programming.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:54 | 2498517 AUD
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Awww... how 'bout you grow some balls & not be afraid of the big bad government or quit your complaining on 'bitch club'.


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:40 | 2498284 IBelieveInMagic
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Gotta love the "Mummy, he made me do it." defense! Nice.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:52 | 2498321 my puppy for prez
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Oh, yes....the Sampson Option!  The world should shudder at this thought.  And when it comes down to it, the Zionist psychopaths, who down deep are worshipping something TOTALLY different than whom they espouse in public, wouldn't even blink at the thought of sacrificing even many of their own to achieve their ultimate goal:  Global Zionist Communist Government.

The Zionists are also high-ranking freemasons and many are Luciferians, completely in bed with all the other classes of globalist psychopaths.  If average Jews do not stand up and denounce these Zionists, then they are complicit in what is to surely come.  

To all Jews of honor and conscience:  UNDERSTAND what Zionism truly is, and then FIGHT against it...or you will be lumped in with these monsters and might even be one of their victims. 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:01 | 2498362 Clashfan
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Glad to see this post, puppy, but many already do and have been for decades. I could point to the ifamericansonlyknew website for starters, to Noam Chomsky (whom I hate to mention b/c of his lame positions on JFK ass. and on 911), but there are others.

For example, this band, as they mock the extremism of both sides:

I am glad to see you focusing on Luciferianism, which is the source of most global conflict in the manufactured wars. But I'm hoping that you see Luciferianism as the root behind Zionism (not the other way 'round). :)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 07:17 | 2498698 my puppy for prez
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Yes, I do discern the order of origination.  The Luciferianism has its origins in even more ancient times...brought from Egypt, etc.  But that does not change the fact that, if a group embraces such evil, it should be called out and held to accountability.  Thanks for the words.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:41 | 2498511 Cosimo de Medici
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Hi, I'm a physician. I can prescribe something that should help with your delusional fantasies of Luciferians and put you back on track to a fulfilling life.  You can reach me through Tyler.  Don't worry, you probably can be helped.  For the sake of your family's safety as well as your own, please act quickly.  I've seen this behavior before, and without immediate help, it tends to end very badly.  Very badly indeed.  Please, think of the children.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:45 | 2498513 Clashfan
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Cosimo, this is a nonsensical, ad-hominem retort with no facts. Your own screen name is of a Luciferian family. Help yourself first. I wish you blessings.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:49 | 2498558 Oh regional Indian
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I wonder how much of his own poison pill medication this pompous Cosimo needs, he who can be reached through Tyler.

And given that as a Doctor ( you are no Physician buddy, you took the Hypocrite-ical oaf), or rather a drug pusher for the Poison Pill industry, you must know about "side" effects...side, like 3 sides of a large magazine spread listing everything from homicidal and suicidal tendencies right to your hair falling out... you will set him sane with what?

Also fascinating to see so muich truth and no haters like yesterday. 

Is ZH full of rayciss dweebs?

Or is it just that Ummerika is sleeping?

Perhaps with the crack of the American Dawn, those rayciss people will come out of the woodwork, down arrows swinging, keyboards frothing with more ad hominem attacks.

Anyone with a brain with 6 cells knows what the game is. And should also be able to see that the game is coming to an end.  nasty end-game.

My question (again) is who is Valerie Jarrett? She swings big balls in thsi administration.

And a ruthless woman is frigging frightening.

Train has left the station anyways.

No point droning on here.



Wed, 06/06/2012 - 05:27 | 2498615 Winston Churchill
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Looked at your site.

Can I suggest a little less grass in your daily glass of Bung.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 09:38 | 2498988 Cosimo de Medici
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Who is this Cosimo?  One who responds to those who willfully choose ignorance.  No, pharmaceuticals are not my thing.  I use a scalpel.  I work in the land of the sane, and the world occupied by folks who endeavor to make the place better, not fill it with mindless hatred that owes everything to people's own failures and inability to accept responsibility for them.  That is a land you have never visited, and for which you do not even qualify for a visa.

And please, don’t give me some drivel that you have studied the Luciferians or Freemasons or whoever else exists as the demons of your delusion, or that you can provide links….save that shit for your rubber room cellmates.  They’re the only ones naïve enough to buy into that crap.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:46 | 2498338 F. Bastiat
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Focusing your efforts on Andrew Stern, Stephen Lerner, and Giorgy Schwartz would be more useful, IMO.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:07 | 2498376 TradingTroll
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Best post I've read in awhile. The Zionist pigs and their control center must be taken out by whatever means. They practice genocide on tier neghbors and that goes unpunished while US FBI agents actively try to sell bombmaking equipment to US muslims to snare them in entrapment. The US muslim goes to Gitmo, the FBI agent gets a promo and israel kills a few thousand more babies in lebanon.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:20 | 2498394 Clashfan
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Sam, if Izrahole is the "800 lb gorilla" (and it may well be), then Luciferianism is the 1600 pounder. Just take a look at that hexagram on their flag. Where does it come from? It is called "the star of David," but so far as history relates, David had nothing to do with any such symbol. Solomon did after turning away from God, according to some sources. Others say "the seal of Solomon" had nothing to do with Solomon, either. It is used for summoning demons in occultism and always has been. Rothschild used it, for sure, and that's how it got on the Izrahole flag. Ever hear of putting a "hex" on someone?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 05:32 | 2498620 Karl von Bahnhof
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hex hex hex AKA 666

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:48 | 2500137 Clashfan
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Good reading, Tamboo, thanks. I have read stuff like this before and don't know that I disagree. I will read this one more carefully later.

I have known Jews who have, face to face with me, acknowledged that they don't believe certain parts of the Talmud (like the passages about Goys, etc). I think that's more along the lines of what I've been trying to say. Not all Jews believe the same things in the same ways. There are sects. Just because a group of rabbis claim to control Judaism doesn't mean that they do.

Not all Christians follow Pat Robinson, the edicts of the Pope, etc.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:38 | 2498506 toomanyfakecons...
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A few things:

What is so bad about apartheid? Didn't blacks in South Africa vote in a popular referendum for its return after getting a taste of the alternative... just like Kuwait voted to return itself to Iraq before the Gulf War I?

Next, don't discount the VA-111 Shkval that NOD (Iran, Russia, China) has at its disposal. Inexplicably, GDI has no such weapon.

Next, I believe the U.S. military has said no, once an for all, to war with Iran. Our finest drone landing safe and sound in Iran was no accident, but a message to those who have been wagging the dog.

Lastly, would those beans really be that devastating if spilled? 9/11 is a long forgotten myth and nothing shocks anyone anymore.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:05 | 2498525 AnAnonymous
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A few things:

What is so bad about apartheid? Didn't blacks in South Africa vote in a popular referendum for its return after getting a taste of the alternative...

How many referenda has South Africa hold?

When did apartheid end?

How many referenda South Africa has hold since that date?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 05:48 | 2498629 Clashfan
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:59 | 2498262 Caviar Emptor
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How can you go on about wars and global strategic policy and the fate of millions on a day where Lindsay Lohan had a nip slip and Kim Jong Un went on a visit to the zoo???

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:02 | 2498145 tarsubil
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America the Bloodthirsty.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:12 | 2498166 Rusticus
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Commandeered by a Nobel Peace Prize recipient no less.

Hows that for Exceptionalism ?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:15 | 2498174 tarsubil
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If I didn't literally feel like I am going to puke, I'd laugh.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:12 | 2498378 Benjamin Glutton
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Levii Dozier is only four months old, but he’s already been assaulted by the police.  Roughly five months ago, Levii’s mother Raven Dozier was present when her brother got embroiled in a child custody dispute with a girlfriend. After the police arrived, Raven did what she could to calm her brother down. Eventually one of the officers shot the agitated man with a Taser. A thugscrum quickly coalesced as several officers inflicted gratuitous punishment on the prone and helpless man while his sister – who had been assisting the police – looked on in horror.  “He’s on the ground!” shrieked Dozier, who was in tears. “You don’t need to do that!” “Shut the f**k up!” replied one of the gallant officers. When Dozier failed to act on that thoughtful suggestion, Officer Jarad Wheeler strode up to her and kicked her in the stomach with sufficient force to open a door.  At the time, Raven Dozier was nine months pregnant.  For about fifteen minutes, the DeKalb County officers conferred with a supervisor outside the house -- within earshot of Raven’s brother, who was sitting, handcuffed, in the back of a police car. “He kicked a pregnant woman,” one of the officers reported.  “You’ve got to charge her with something,” another replied, pointing out that doing so would magically transmute aggravated assault into a “justified” use of force. Following the discussion outside, several officers re-entered the home, where Dozier was on a couch trying to regain her composure.  In a voice suppurating feigned concern, one of them asked if they could take a picture of the traumatized mother; in the same affected tone, he asked her if she could trouble herself to put on a pair of shoes and step outside the house for a moment to talk with the supervisor. As soon as Raven had crossed the threshold of her home, she was placed under arrest for “obstruction.”  To their credit, officials at DeKalb County Jail refused to book Dozier. Instead they sent her to a nearby hospital, where she passed a small amount of blood and amniotic fluid. . A photograph of Raven taken after Wheeler’s assault displayed a huge bruise across Dozier’s abdomen. Two weeks later she gave birth to Levii by way of an emergency C-section. Atlanta attorney Mark Bullman, who is representing Raven Dozier in a lawsuit, recalled to Pro Libertate that the doctors who treated Raven and delivered Levii “found that the kick was severe enough that it caused the baby to defecate in the womb.” What this means is that Levii literally had the sh*t kicked out of him by a bullying cop before he was born.
Wed, 06/06/2012 - 01:18 | 2498452 Clashfan
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Great post BG. Thanks for this.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:49 | 2500145 tamboo
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joos win a lot of peace prizes including oybama (grandad stan was a big joo commie). - Noble Peace Prize Winners - Jews Versus the Entire ...

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:42 | 2498228 post turtle saver
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That's our fuckin' job...

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:04 | 2498149 youngman
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using the terrorists tactics.....great idea..but not happening..there are more attornies to go thru than generals in one of the drone strikes....

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:24 | 2498197 veyron
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your avatar terrifies me -- who is that?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:37 | 2498317 Harbanger
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Mum said, it was a dark and stormy night.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:21 | 2498395 Hugh G Rection
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dunno, but hide your shekels

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:20 | 2498186 Overfed
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It would be nice if there were some evidence to go with the hypebole.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:33 | 2498214 Ranger4564
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Did you follow the link, in the link?  Alexander Higgins' Blog?  Read the sections in question re the HR 1540 section 1034?

Hyberpole that.


Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:42 | 2498330 Overfed
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Must have been a glitch with the site the first time I went there. It was showing the headline and nothing else.

I see the article now. Chilling.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:58 | 2498359 Harbanger
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No glitch.  Take things from where they come.  The site has a definite agenda.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 01:22 | 2498455 Clashfan
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Thanks, Ranger. From your link, "Authorization To Invade Several Countries – The president would have full authority to invade Iran, Syria, North Korea, along with several other nations in Africa and the Middle East and even Russia and China under the legislation all of which are 'known' to have supported and aided hostilities against the United States."

Ironically, doesn't this include our own leaders and the CIA? Hmm....

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:06 | 2498154 jplotinus
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This is an area where socialists and libertarians find common ground.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:36 | 2498219 LetThemEatRand
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Yes and No.  The author of this article believes that private corportions should create their own militaries and govern the world according to their wishes.  I don't think a lot of "socialists" agree with that.  Most complex thinkers believe the problem has to do with corruption and fascism, not the desire of common people (e.g., non-oligarchs who cannot afford their own military) to band together for their common good.  The Mises Institute would return us to feudalism, and tell us that's a good thing.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:56 | 2498256 Cortez the Killer
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What's wrong with private corporations having their own militias?

What's wrong with your neighborhood forming its own militia?

You afraid of guns, commie cocksucker?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:59 | 2498260 LetThemEatRand
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What's wrong with a few corporations having nuclear weapons, which is what would happen?  We can trust them not to abuse their new power, right?

Simple.  Minded.  Ideological.  Asshole.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:08 | 2498277 Cortez the Killer
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Right, much better to trust people like you with the code to the nuclear suitcase.


Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:16 | 2498294 LetThemEatRand
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That doesn't even make sense.   

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:42 | 2498417's picture

Statists invented nukes. Statists possess the nukes. Statists dropped nukes on civilian targets. Those who espouse free markets are not at fault for the threat of nuclear weapons.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 09:22 | 2498950 LetThemEatRand
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You are at fault if you ignore their existence and pretend it is someone else's problem.  The existence of nuclear weapons and other advanced weapons systems makes your ideology completely unworkable in practice.  Most individuals who develop a theory want to know if it would work in practice.  Yours looks great on paper, I agree.  In practice it would be an unmitigated failure.  Get over it and figure out something else.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:11 | 2499354's picture

So you believe that we need government in order to create tools to destroy mankind and more government to protect us from the horrors which government has created? Dude, it takes a special kind of intelligence to think along those lines.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:27 | 2499457 LetThemEatRand
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You are employing circular reasoning.   Unless you have a time machine stored at the Mises Institute, we have certain cards we are playing.   The nukes exist in the deck, we can't just will them away because you think corporations running the show without elected officials in the way would create happy fun time.  

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:39 | 2499519's picture

Government invents world destroying machines because government wants to maintain its grip on power at all costs. No entrepreneur wants to blow up the planet. There's no profit in it. Government has always caused far more harm than a business ever could or would. Can you name an entrepreneur who has killed more people than Hitler, Stalin or LBJ? Of course you can't.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:05 | 2500156 LetThemEatRand
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The private companies that sold them the weapons they used for the killing, for starters.   To give you another example, there are private arms dealers all over the world today.   They are outlaws, and they operate solely for profit, selling privately made weapons.   How many millions have died of starvation in lawless countries where warlords reign terror over the citizens with privately made and sold arms?  If there's profit in it, they will sell it.  You have no way to see it because you are blinded by your own ideology, but the military industrial complex is almost entirely privately owned and operated.  If you look at history, humans have killed each other since the earliest times, regardless of how society was structured. Elected representative government beats the shit out of oligarch or mob rule.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:24 | 2500302's picture

In a 2000 debate Cheney said that he didn't make his money from government but from the private sector. As a Democrat opposed to Cheney I and many others pointed out that Haliburton made its money by selling empire building goods and services to the government and therefore Cheney's wealth was based on government subsidy.

Me and my Democrat friends were right about that then and it remains as true today as always. Corporations which are run by those those who bounce back and forth between government positions and positions in industry are not reflective of private industry or a free market. Such corporations are one half of the formula for the fascism under which we currently live. Fascism is an expression of government and select business interests. The free market has nothing to do with it.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:52 | 2500162 Clashfan
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Crockett, do we call the Rothschilds or Rockefellers "entrepreneurs?" How about those who start mercenary armies like Blackwater?

The merging of "private" interests with the state, or private corporations' ability to control the state, make this a muddy subject for many examples.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:36 | 2500346's picture

The state is predicated on compulsion by force. All state power comes from its ability to force individuals to do things against their own judgement, interest and will. Once you have accepted force as a governing principle it seems odd that you are so concerned that someone might use that power to force people to do things against their will. Pretending that our current fascist system is not really a government problem because corporations are allied with the government in usurping the rights of individuals does nothing to protect you in principle or in reality. How can you demand that a government be created in order to compel you to act against your own will and then be surprised and upset that someone is using the power of government to compel you to do things against your will?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:24 | 2498398 Hugh G Rection
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Lay off the bath salts Cortez

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:39 | 2498510 Cosimo de Medici
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Absolutely nothing is wrong with private ownership of nuclear weapons.  Did our Founding Fathers add a footnote to 2nd Amendment that stipulated maximum range or power or yield?  No.  Thus, freedom and liberty means each according to his needs, each according to his ability, each according to his wealth, and---if we are to embrace the philosophy of the Mises Institute of Canada---each according to his superior breeding. 

It is my understanding that George Soros has ordered a Ohio-class nuclear submarine with a complete compliment of 24 MIRV-carrying Trident missiles.  Given his enormous popularity on this website, most here undoubtedly will roar with applause, as Mr. Soros exercises the full measure of his freedom and liberty.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:32 | 2499194 Colonial Intent
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"Thus, freedom and liberty means each according to his needs, each according to his ability"

Dude! thats taken straight from the communist manifesto! are you trolling again?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:13 | 2499279 hangemhigh
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Absolutely nothing is wrong with private ownership of nuclear weapons..................

let me guess........this is MDB in  his transgender, papal cross dressing get-up......

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 08:35 | 2498841 anarchitect
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LetThemEatRand, I didn't think you'd be posting on this one. After all, you recenty dismissed this group as shills for the establishment. This article makes that statement look a tad silly. You remember, the article about the precautionary principle being horseshit? Well, it's not surprising that someone who dislikes Rand would also think it possible to prove a negative.

With regard to non-tactical nuclear weapons, it would be wrong for corporations to have them because they are indiscriminate. Self-defense doesn't include the right to carelessly cause collateral damage.  Which is why nation states shouldn't have them either.


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 09:23 | 2498903 LetThemEatRand
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The Mises Institute is full of shills for corporatists, period.  They literally want corporations to have unfettered powers to control us, including through direct military control.  Unelected, sociopathic corporations whose sole goal is to make money.  What could go wrong?

Ask yourself who the major donors are to the Mises Institute of Canada.  

The fact that our current system is horribly flawed does not render any ridiculous and openly insane solution viable.  And pointing out that the system is flawed does not give credibility to every shill who points out the flaws.  Obama is horrible and so was Bush.  The author got those two facts right.  But the answer is not the throw out the baby.  Mixing metaphors, the Mises Institute would throw away the pan, set the house on fire, and throw us all in.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:13 | 2500531's picture

LTER is a direct descendant of Adolph Hitler. He likes to eat puppies but what is worse is that he dips his fried puppy tidbits in a special sauce made from the blood of human babies. That's right, human babies. If LTER had his way everyone's organs would be harvested in order to produce a serum which would give LTER eternal life. That is what he wants, to be the perpetual, omnipotent, infinite, puppy munching Emperor of the Universe for All Time.

Not a speck of hyperbole!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:21 | 2498396 GMadScientist
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It's not the guns I'm worried's the stupid motherfuckers like yourself with their hands on the triggers.

Clean it with the barrel in your mouthpussy.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:07 | 2498156 Gringo Viejo
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Off Topic: As per Drudge, in the Wisconsin recall, Walker 60%, Communists 40% with 28% of votes tallied. This, despite a voter turnout of 119% in Madison. PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS ARE A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS! IF YOU WANT TO LIVE OFF THE TAXPAYER AND THE MONEY'S NOT ENOUGH, GO OUT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND COMPETE YOU COMMUNIST BUTTFUCKERS!

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:10 | 2498161 THX 1178
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Wow you are just cartoonishly biased...

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:13 | 2498169 brewing
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think gringo might have gotten into the bath salts...

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:02 | 2498266 LetThemEatRand
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Or the Von Mises Institute Kool Aid.  Quote from their website re the world they prefer:  "because of selective mating, marriage, and the laws of civil and genetic inheritance, positions of natural authority are likely to be passed on within a few noble families."


Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:43 | 2498333 prole
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Yep the evil Mises Institute. Promoting human freedom and the end of totalitarian despotism. DAMN THEM!

Freedom. Liberty. Must really get under your skin eh Rabbi?

They are also against perpetual war, those evil Bastards!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 09:56 | 2498953 LetThemEatRand
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Freedom for the elite, servitude for the rest of us Lord prole.  Only problem is, you would probably be serf prole in your desired reality.   Unless you think you have the correct breeding to be an elite.  So, do you?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:12 | 2499112 prole
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No Commissar LTER, I do not have the diverse skin color, the Cohen Pedigree, the Ivy League PhD in "Compassion" (or whatever sham degree you have that enables  you to scoop up taxpayers dollars as you do)

So in this Orwellian Socialist Paradise which your ilk has created on my once-free country I am most definitely a serf, a mere tax livestock for you to plunder.

If those heroic defenders of Liberty at the Mises Institute got their way, your fat federal paycheck would come to a screeching halt, we would be free from your grabbing claws, and parasites like yourself would have to aquiant themselves with a little thing called a "job" or you could try dumpster diving. (but that would be none of my business as long as you stop stealing from my pocket)

Do anything you want; Mises favors freedom for you and me, but disfavors what you are doing now, which is stealing taxpayers dollars.

We can't stop you from lying about Mises, but we can dream of stopping your thievery.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:21 | 2499147 LetThemEatRand
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Funny how completely wrong you are -- about everything.  I now see, though.  You are a failure and so you blame the system and seek out a fantasy alternative in which you believe you would do better.  I get it.  Carry on.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:28 | 2499176 prole
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Hey I may be right or wrong but at least I am not a liar, and a shill for totalitarian Socialism.

I guess I will carry on exposing your lies, one after another. And would you mind not pointing that gun in my face Comrade? TIA

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:53 | 2498351 Clashfan
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Yes, LTER, I see many problems in this piece. Thanks. :)

Here is a particularly disgusting quote from it, but I could pick many more:

"In every society, a few individuals acquire the status of an elite through talent. Due to superior achievements of wealth, wisdom, and bravery, these individuals come to possess natural authority, and their opinions and judgments enjoy wide-spread respect."

This is utter crap. What really happens is that the adepts of secretive, occultist societies form a type of mafia (the original mafia, which rules by violence) and make themselves law.

Up x a re-hypothecated trillion from me.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:51 | 2498427's picture


Or the Von Mises Institute Kool Aid.  Quote from their website re the world they prefer:  "because of selective mating, marriage, and the laws of civil and genetic inheritance, positions of natural authority are likely to be passed on within a few noble families."


Government gives us as system of inheritance which has produced the Kennedys, the Rockefellers and the Bushes. Who would not prefer a system in which those who have natural talent and intelligence are followed due to merit rather than the current system which allows a parade of silly and corrupt heirs to ascend to the throne?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 01:38 | 2498469 Clashfan
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Crockett, has "government" given us these families, or has the occultist, Luciferian system given them? These families began accumulating their wealth and power long before the current day. And are you against being able to pass down private property to heirs? I am confused, sorry.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:32 | 2499342's picture

The inevitable take over of any governmental system by oligarchs who cement their power by claiming the right to a monopoly on violence has absolutely nothing to do with the inheritance of earned wealth. Why do you think it does?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:55 | 2500175 Clashfan
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Maybe I misunderstood you? That's why I asked. :)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:23 | 2499150 LetThemEatRand
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It seems to me I've argued with you Rand/Free Market types before about inheritance, and I have been told that the wealthy should get to keep it from generation to generation in the libertarian system because evil government has no right to take the wealth of the ancestors who get to pass it on.  Did I miss something or do you just have no idea what you believe in?  Ironically, I think there should be a much higher inheritance tax on mega wealth (say over $100M).  What say you?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:06 | 2499333's picture

Yes, you missed something. American political dynasties have nothing to do with the inheritance of earned wealth.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:57 | 2500183 LetThemEatRand
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Now that's just funny.

The Kennedy's made their fortune before they were in politics.  Same with the Bush's and the Rockefellers.   Are you seriously telling me that George W. Bush would ever have become president if he had not been born to wealth?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:12 | 2500251's picture

Seriously, dude. If bad powerful rich people are trying to screw you how does promoting their ability to have even greater power over you through government improve your situation?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:47 | 2500428 LetThemEatRand
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You just don't see the forest for the trees.  Without representative government, another (worse) form of compulsion arises.  Always has throughout the entirety of our history as a species.  If you wish to debate pure theoretical constructs that have no basis in reality, we can go in circles forever.  Your proposed solution exists only in the realm of fantasy.  I would be all for it if I thought it could work.   

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:05 | 2500474's picture

It doesn't really matter to me if you chose to live under a system of compulsion by violence or threat of violence. But voluntary interaction is the principle by which I chose to live my life. I will never attempt to force another person to do anything they don't want to do but I will protect myself against people who believe that they have a right to force me to do things against my own interest and my own will.


Have a great day (at your own pleasure and convenience of course --it's not an edict).

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:27 | 2500582 LetThemEatRand
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Like all Rand followers, you take for granted the structure that exists all around you, assuming it would continue to exist but with no rules and no contribution from you if the government ceased to exist.    I could see you driving along on an interstate highway (government) on your way to the airport (government), driving safely because there are rules of the road enforced by police (government), navigating with your GPS (military/NASA), bitching that government creates nothing and that rules are for suckers.

Our government is corrupt and indeed broken and needs major revision.   But only in a fantasy world would you have all the things you want including your own freedom, without some form of government.   The fact that you end your post with "at your own pleasure and convenience of course -- it's not an edict", speaks volumes to your lack of understanding of what we already have in our society of laws and representative government.  

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:39 | 2501143's picture

Rand believed that government is necessary just as you do while I disagree. Doesn't that make you her follower?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:39 | 2501846 Clashfan
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People call Alex Jones a Jew shill but defend Rand? Amazing. Ha.


Rand was Rothschild's lover, and Atlas Shrugged was likely dictated to her as a script for the elite to follow as they currently are, self-destructing their institutions in order to produce the NWO.


I have had debates with the extreme libertarians who argue as if they are in fantasy-land. Government not necessary? How would we have or enforce laws? Build roads? I could go on, but what's the point?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 23:05 | 2502067's picture


Government not necessary? How would we have or enforce laws? Build roads? I could go on, but what's the point?

By voluntary agreement. Is your mind so feeble and your soul so corrupt that you believe that man can not live my mutual cooperation but only by threatening each other with violence? Are highways only possible if one man threatens another man with prison or death? It's time for you to stop living by the law of the jungle. We are men not animals. We find advantage in our minds and our hands not our claws and our teeth.


When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun

When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting in death row

You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh, Guns of Brixton.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:15 | 2503461 Clashfan
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Thanks for quoting that timeless skank. :) No, my mind is not so feeble.

I look forward to debating this w/you further. I am on this site for a reason.

There are a lot of questions I want answered by the hardcore libertarians. I have a libertarian friend on FB whom I greatly enjoy (when I'm on there--I regularly de-activate my account for months at a time), and I lean libertarian, but the hardcore libertarians seem idealistic to me--to a fault.

I'm open-minded, though, and here to learn. I'm just not big on isms or ideology. I think the problems we face today involve organized, global Luciferianism and the eternal, human struggle of good vs evil.

Government has been a problem, not a solution. I'm just not sure how less of it (or the total absence of it) would work any better. I'm eager to learn.

Your patient interaction with me will result in my patient consideration of all of your points, Crockett. But I do have a lot of questions.

Currently, I am not an anarchist and think that government can help people or should exist to help people. When it ceases to do that, it should be abolished or replaced. Lately, though, I'm starting to wonder if we wouldn't be better off without it. But when I try to imagine anarchy in practice, well, it seems that the people with all of the gold (Rothschilds) would rule anyway, and the results might be far worse.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:52 | 2504345's picture

Most folks believe that anarchy means no cops, no courts, no laws, etc. But in reality security and adjudication can be provided on a voluntary basis just like anything else. In PA where I live all liquor is sold at the State Store but it would be absurd to suggest that without the PA government liquor could not exist.

When people get their goods and services in a free market they can change suppliers at any time. If you don't like a service then find a new provider or provide your own. In a governmental world that isn't possible. If a person voted for Obama because he wanted an end to wars and a restoration of civil liberties he had no choice to opt out once it became clear (within days of his inauguration) that Obama was a murderer just like Bush.

Civilization is based on the ability to agree to disagree. In the political realm only libertarians are willing to do that. The statists will often claim that they are willing to agree to disagree simply because they run out of arguments and get tired but in reality they just keep pushing for more regulation at home and more wars abroad.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 21:12 | 2505883 Clashfan
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You say, "Most folks believe that anarchy means no cops, no courts, no laws, etc. But in reality security and adjudication can be provided on a voluntary basis just like anything else."

Again, thanks for your time. This interaction is one of the primary reasons for me being here. I appreciate it. :)

But again, I am confused. Are you saying that the courts or cops would exist on a voluntary basis? What? Does that mean that the accused could say, "Don't try me in this court--try me in that one," or "Don't try me because I do not voluntarily agree to my arrest or to your court?"

I hope that I'm being clear. Ultimately, once we have law, some would disagree with that law. Once we have courts, some would not "volunteer" to be punished by it. Right? Or am I misunderstanding?

Again, to me (to me) this rings of the basest and most childish idealism. But again, I'm sure I have a lot to learn about libertarian philosophy.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 01:06 | 2498439 OldTrooper
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Thanks for the link.  I see, upon reading the entire article that you have selectively quoted from it and that you are full of shit.  Not really a surprise.  How much do you get paid to pimp the State?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 01:41 | 2498473 Clashfan
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Trooper, how about this quote from the piece? "In fact, in recent Western history, there are only two clear-cut instances where the powers of the central government were actually reduced, even if only temporarily, as the result of a catastrophe: in West Germany after World War II under Ludwig Erhard, and in Chile under General Pinochet." Wow, championing Pinochet as small government? Talk about fugly. That dude herded folks into stadiums, had them shot and buried in walls. That dude was paid by our very own, large government (and folks like my grandfather's company, ITT) to usurp a democratically elected government.

Selectively quoted? Full of shit?

Anyone who champions Pinochet is misguided at best.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:43 | 2500402's picture



Wow, championing Pinochet as small government? Talk about fugly. That dude herded folks into stadiums, had them shot and buried in walls. That dude was paid by our very own, large government (and folks like my grandfather's company, ITT) to usurp a democratically elected government.

Selectively quoted? Full of shit?

Anyone who champions Pinochet is misguided at best.


As you said the US government supported Pinochet. That makes American citizens complicit in those crimes. But in a free market very few Americans would have provided funds for Pinochet. Your example is a further indictment of government and supportive of the rights of individuals to decide for themselves how they should spend their money and live their lives.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:42 | 2501855 Clashfan
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Crockett, ITT was/is a private company. Sure, they made a lot of money off of government contracts, especially during something called WWII. But private corporations often urge the government to act on their behalf in Central and South America, not the other way around. United Fruit?

The belief that government is bad b/c it is government or that private companies are good b/c they are privately owned is childishly absurd, sorry. Iran-Contra anyone?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 23:16 | 2502084's picture



But private corporations often urge the government to act on their behalf in Central and South America, not the other way around. United Fruit?


Centralized power is always exercised by those with the most political pull. In a decentralized system those with the best ideas and most efficient work ethic succeed. Please stop being surprised by the fact that when you ask to be ruled by people who see you as a sheep that you end up getting sheared. At least be honest with yourself as you chow down at your trough.


Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:20 | 2503504 Clashfan
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You say, "In a decentralized system those with the best ideas and most efficient work ethic succeed."

Really? You see, that sounds idealistic and naive to me, sorry. I agree with the first part of your post--until you get to the quote above. I have a hard time agreeing with that supposition. Whenever libertarians are pressed for examples of this idyllic, "decentralized system," they usually come up short. Of course, history may not offer that many examples, true, but how can you support/prove that this would indeed be the result?

And that's the problem I have.

I am no D/R, clearly, and certainly not a statist. But I'm at a loss to see how efficiency can be rewarded without first removing the existing monetary power from the existing, hidden oligarchy. It seems that they would rule anyway, in any system, unless they were stripped of their power and jailed (which, ironically, would require some form of force or government). And how do we enforce laws by agreement/mutual consent or even have laws, for that matter?

Thanks for your patience, though. I'll be around. This is a lot more interesting to me than FB b/c of the literate nature of the populace on here.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:54 | 2504272's picture


Really? You see, that sounds idealistic and naive to me, sorry. I agree with the first part of your post--until you get to the quote above. I have a hard time agreeing with that supposition. Whenever libertarians are pressed for examples of this idyllic, "decentralized system," they usually come up short. Of course, history may not offer that many examples, true, but how can you support/prove that this would indeed be the result?


It's easy. My goals are not your goals. When me and my peeps are left alone to make our world in the image we desire we are happier. When one central power sets a goal like Stalin with his five year plans, the results are beneficial to very few and most people suffer. Look at it this way: if you and everyone else could order your own lunch would more people be happier or if everyone had to eat exactly the same lunch prepared in a giant government cafeteria would more people be happy?

Understanding that individuals have their own unique needs, talents, desires, faults and virtues is not idealistic. Believing that Bush or Obama or maybe the next guy will make us all really, really happy is idealistic, not to mention pretty damned stupid.


But I'm at a loss to see how efficiency can be rewarded without first removing the existing monetary power from the existing, hidden oligarchy.


The legal tender laws which force you to used fiat money are enforced by government. All government regulation is designed to protect those who are already in power. By sanctioning government you are not only accepting but demanding that your oppression continue. This is what Ayn Rand called the sanction of the victim.


Then I saw what was wrong with the world, I saw what destroyed men and nations, and where the battle for life had to be fought. I saw that the enemy was an inverted morality—and that my sanction was its only power. I saw that evil was impotent—that evil was the irrational, the blind, the anti-real—and that the only weapon of its triumph was the willingness of the good to serve it. Just as the parasites around me were proclaiming their helpless dependence on my mind and were expecting me voluntarily to accept a slavery they had no power to enforce, just as they were counting on my self-immolation to provide them with the means of their plan—so throughout the world and throughout men’s history, in every version and form, from the extortions of loafing relatives to the atrocities of collectivized countries, it is the good, the able, the men of reason, who act as their own destroyers, who transfuse to evil the blood of their virtue and let evil transmit to them the poison of destruction, thus gaining for evil the power of survival, and for their own values—the impotence of death. I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win—and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was “No.” -- Rand's Atlas Shrugged



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