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Submitted by Simon Black from Sovereign Man
And The ‘Dumbest Person Of The Week Award’ Goes To…
Former US Republican presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann receives the Sovereign Man dumbest person of the week award for obtaining… then almost immediately renouncing… Swiss citizenship. I’ll explain:
Bachmann’s husband is a Swiss national; they’ve been married since 1978, and as a result, Bachmann eventually became qualified for Swiss citizenship as well.
She recently received confirmation of her citizenship from the Swiss authorities, a fact that was reported in some mainstream media outlets. Bachmann was subsequently criticized by her political opponents for engaging in such ‘un-American’ activities.
[This is a bizarre assertion, by the way, as the country was built on dual nationals...]
And so, just two days after the story broke, Bachmann renounced her Swiss citizenship yesterday, announcing that she is a “proud American citizen.”
This is, by far, one of the dumbest things that somebody could do. It’s possible to both be a proud citizen AND have a backup plan. Patriotism doesn’t mean blindly going all in.
Having a second passport provides a great deal of opportunities, from new banking and financial relationships to a having a fallback option for another place to live.
It’s like an insurance policy… something that you many never ‘need’, but you’ll be incredibly thankful you have in case you ever do.
And as citizenship is often conferred generationally, your progeny will also be able to enjoy the benefits. In this way, it’s like having an insurance policy for all of your future descendants. Not a bad deal.
A Swiss passport is definitely one of the best. You can travel almost anywhere visa-free. It’s a great place to have the option to live some day. The economy is actually functional. Oh, and there are no men in caves plotting to kill the Swiss.
Obtaining Swiss nationality, though, requires a great deal of time and patience; it takes well over a decade to qualify, apply, and receive citizenship, and slightly less time if you’re married to a Swiss national.
Only a handful of people are lucky enough to become naturalized Swiss citizens, and giving it up is like throwing away a winning lottery ticket…
Ironically, after her political tenure is over and Congress has managed to finally finish off the US economy, Bachmann may, having renounced Swiss citizenship, find herself one day trapped in the environment of financial repression, capital controls, and steep inflation that was created by the government she once served.
The rest of us don’t have to end up this way.
For millennia, governments on the slide have resorted to plundering their citizens in order to maintain the status quo and keep the party going a little while longer.
History is full of examples, from the Roman Empire (which resorted to direct confiscation of people’s agricultural stock) to the Greek government of today (which is now simply nationalizing people’s bank accounts in its sole discretion).
The folks who stick around waving the flag and bombastically proclaiming their patriotism just end up getting abused. Thinking, creative people have a plan B.
Today this means taking steps to diversify internationally, including obtaining a second passport.
Now, I put boots on the ground all over the world. Just in the last two months, for example, I’ve been to 14+ countries from Venezuela to Thailand to Canada to Peru.
In each of these places, I’m constantly looking for the best opportunities– lifestyle, investment, business, employment, banking, medical, personal, etc.
Residency and citizenship is high on my list… and what I can say is that it’s definitely getting harder by the day. Governments are starting to realize that a passport is one of the scarcest resources in the world, and as things continue to get a bit crazy, demand is growing.
Scarce supply, rising demand; we all know what this means. Bottom line, it’s getting harder:
- St. Kitts, generally considered a foolproof economic citizenship program, recently raised their already high price for obtaining nationality.
- In Uruguay, the standards are now very strict, and the government wants you to really prove your value to Uruguayan society. They’ve even hired a special team to go around the country to check on your physical residency.
- In Singapore, the flood of EmployeePass applications has made the government reconsider this residency program after having already discontinued the high net worth Financial Investor Scheme.
- For residency and citizenship in Paraguay, the government keeps modifying the procedures for application, and it’s taking much, much longer than it used to.
There are a lot more examples, but its true: obtaining foreign residency and getting naturalized is really getting harder.
Nobody else is going to tell you this. In fact, the plethora of idiots running around ‘selling’ passport services who have no earthly idea what they’re talking about is only spreading misinformation and making matters worse.
In reality, there are still some high quality options available, several of which I will review at the end of this month on our SMC members-only teleconference.
To give you an example, Brazil and Chile are both excellent, off the radar choices. But you really need to have the right support, someone who actually knows what s/he is doing.
The biggest lesson is– do not procrastinate. The sooner you get started, the sooner you’ll be grandfathered in under the old rules. The longer you wait, the higher the likelihood that an option won’t be available any longer.
Something to think about.
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Most intelligent Americans would give their left nut to hold a Swiss Passport. Maybe she didn't have a left nut to give -- aparently she's completely nuts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zdNnhQVTJY
Meanwhile back at the ranch in China, Grandma was beating off the Indians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiUrBwHGmZM&feature=related
Meanwhile at the FED... FED Data Updates
http://www.clevelandfed.org/research/data/updates/past_detail.cfm?m=5&y=2012
I spent a mnute and a half reading this dribble (the article, not the 1st poster); what a waste!
‘Dumbest Person Of The Week Award’ Goes To ... me, for reading such a dribble article ...
Welcome to 99% of most Simon Black articles. However, reading comments in his articles is where the entertainment begins.
"Oh, and there are no men in caves plotting to kill the Swiss."
Well, there are some guys in Canada who have a little something to say about the Swiss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2XTuc6i1Uo
When the SHTF iw will be immediately given back to her.
Do the Swiss really want this?
That Cleveland Fed link is a good one - thanks for posting it.
Now, if the mayor of Chicago would only do the same...
Fuck Bachmann, she is a whore and an idiot....
Takes one to ... you get the idea ...
I strongly feel Bachman identified with the US side of the great Swiss Cheese debacle and therefor, in good conscience, accept Swiss citizenship.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=81455&page=1
Unhole-y Culmination of Swiss Cheese DebateA change in U.S. policy that has been the subject of a "hole-y war" between factions in the United States and Switzerland goes into effect today.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is reducing the size of holes in domestically-produced Swiss cheese, cutting the time-honored standard size eye, or hole, by nearly half.
Some Swiss are taking the new standard as an affront to one of their most beloved exports — one which they export over 20,000 tons of a year.
Bobby Baril, a marketer with Switzerland Cheese Marketing, the Swiss government's promotional arm, called the move "crazy."
"You cannot make something where all the eyes are going to be a quarter of an inch," he said from the organization's office in Quebec City, Canada.
The Swiss daily Blick has also been questioning the decision since it was revealed about a month ago — within hours of newly-elected President Bush's swearing-in on Jan. 20.
Blick ran one interview with a "cheese guru," headlined "A Correct Emmentaler Simply Has Large Holes." Emmentaler is the Swiss name for the cheese.
Another article quoted local cheese dealers, who described the regulation as "totally unreasonable" and "insolence."
One cheese seller even suggested the Americans work on abolishing the death penalty rather than regulating cheese.
For the Convenience of Industry
American cheesemakers asked for the change because cheese with large holes often crumble in high-speed slicing machines, used for large commercial food service operations.
What used to be the minimum size of a hole, 11/16ths of an inch in diameter — about the size of a cherry — is now the maximum size of a hole.
And the new minimum size of a hole is 3/8ths of an inch in diameter — less than the size of a dime.
Cheese that fails to meet that standard — and that will include most traditionally-produced Emmentalers — may not merit a USDA "A" grade.
But the furor over the regulations may be much ado about nothing.
Even though the grades are used through most of the industry, they are voluntary, and Swiss cheese makers say they may not elect to have their cheeses graded.
"It's a win-win situation" said Dr. Warren Clark, CEO of the American Dairy Products Institute in Chicago, one of the organizations that lobbied for the change.
Consumers will be able to get cheeses with both large and small eyes, he said.
National Pride
Clark however, recognizes the Swiss don't see it the same way.
"The Europeans are very upset with this. They say their Swiss cheese tastes better than ours … well, we understand that they say that," he said.
Swiss authorities point out that genuine Emmentaler is made with unpasteurized milk, that is naturally processed and cured, and matures for at least 100 days. American Swiss needs only to be aged 60 days, and is often made with pasteurized milk.
Paul Schilt, Executive Vice President of Switzerland Cheese Marketing said, "Most of the domestic [American] Swiss cheese is factory produced while ours is still from small village dairies."
"Ours is more aromatic, a nuttier Swiss cheese," he said. "The domestic is a bland, very mild cheese."
But Schilt doesn't think that will matter much to the American palate. "I don't think they will notice," he said.
"It don't think it's a big deal, but then I might be wrong."
Blessed are the cheesemakers...
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Hans-Rudolf Merz and Buendnerfleisch (dry-cured beef):
- hit the 'cc' button for English text translation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps6e_toM26I
Swiss Humour: Appellation d'Origine Controlee (AOC)
gee, I spent several minutes on the links from the first poster.....staring the colorful ....Cleveland fed numbers...of course.
I am replying to Simon Black. You Are Wrong. A foreign woman who married a male Swiss citizen in 1978 was granted automatic Swiss citizenship just for the asking. It was a sexist law (with an eye to the issue of progeny) as a foreign male marrying a female Swiss citizen did not enjoy the same automatic citizenship (the foreign male was subject to a 5 year waiting period after applying for his CH passport). There was a vote and the law was changed/amended in 1992. As it stands now, both female and male applicants with a CH spouse share the same 'waiting' period.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/foreign_affairs/Bachmann_puts_spotl...
Do your homework Simon Black; your vacuous scribblings should at least offer accurate information.
The dumbest person of the millenium is the MOTHERFUCKER Bernanke.
It's gonna be a hoot to see him squirm with his lips trembling when the market no longer responds to his QE and the entire false facade of "recovery" blows up in his face.
See you at Riker's Island Bernanke......remember, don't drop the soap.
Why are they sending you to Rikers Island?
Guard duty
vmromk
The dumbest group of the millenium is the OWS movement for NOT protesting Barry.
Except they ARE protesting him.
Dumb? I don't think so. When the economy doesn't respond to QE, he'll just calmly board a plane to go rape and pilage another land.
The biggest lesson is– do not procrastinate. The sooner you get started, the sooner you’ll be grandfathered in under the old rules. The longer you wait, the higher the likelihood that an option won’t be available any longer.
Something to think about.
Brazil requires full time residency for four years, before you can even start to qualify.(if I read it correctly)
Some of these countries are shooting themselves RIGHT in the foot.
People who are seeking such change, usually are the cream of the crop, and are self sufficient, have more than enough funds to not be a burden to the adopted country, and NO criminal backgrounds.
Adding these people improves the country, and especially the economy,( needing locals for house help, and adding steady jobs) and living standards of the locals..............over a period of time, and if enough are vetted properly, can do nothing but HELP the country in question.
These are the perimenters I would look at rather than some SET timeline...............
People paying small fortunes for immediate citizenship IMHO are asking for trouble down the road.( esp for the TWO available.)
Dumb? How?
Bernanke is a highly-paid millíonaire with a gold-plated redundancy package. He even has gratis secretaries to administer recreational blow jobs and to browse these blogs and write contemplative missions, should the need arise.
What are we, in comparison? Losers, thats what!!
Benny B is a unick, just like all sackless faggots of finance trying to use their wallet to get pretty/retarded girls off.
"when the market no longer responds to his QE"
Market will cease to exist before that happens.
Bernanke's not going to Riker's Island. Not unless you can imprison EVERY police officer first AND guard AND President AND install your own government. FIRST.
Tubby Black...why aren't you still in Jail?
Why is he back here?
It doesn't matter... these days Switzerland reports every cent spent or saved by a double citizen to the US gov.
IF I am not mistaken, she can re-apply, and get it back...............down the road.
Several countries allow this.
Plus, with her creds,and record,I seriously doubt she has any problems staying here(that the 99% here would have).
She just might have. If she renounce this free gift, and end up going the normal way, then it will be the local canton who grants citizenship. So, If the locals think she is an arsehole then she will just not get it, ever, whatever international shehennigans that may bring.
The EU is pretty pissed about this local democarcy, so you know it is the right way to do it!!
I don't believe Mr Bachmann is a "double citizen" is he?
1. She gave up the wrong one
2. The dumbest of the week (month)(year) are all the dopes who vote/donated to the loudmouthed bitch.
Politcally near-sighted contributer and enabler to Obama?
Thought so ...
The poster above you (in many ways) sees Bachman as a dumbass and you turn that into them being an Obama supporter. Who is near-sighted?
Gotta love the brainwashed, dumbass Righties and their linear, black or white vision of the universe.
Just for that, I'll respond to an earlier post you made and get a pet peeve offmy chest at the same time. The word is "drivel," you fucking idiot. Nonsensical jibberish is not called "dribble;" that's a basketball term. The word is drivel, drivel, DRIVEL. Now take your semi-educated, neo-con, Sean Hannity watching, Mitt Romney voting retarded ass out of my fight club. And enjoy the gas prices that stem from thinking Obama and the Republicans are something other than two sides of the same tarnished coin.
What's on the other side of the coin?
Liberty.
Funny how we flip the coin over and over and over, but it never lands on "Liberty"
It often lands on "Face full of pepper spray" but never "Liberty"
Its sad when politicians do things like this for appearances sake, especially when no one cares anyway.
shes a naughty little hooker that needs to be spanked
Mama gets a what-what. You know I represent - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFB6LQ1-WKU
OK You asked for it..............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PkySa2XFQc
the comedy this weekend has been excellent
Dup
She should've stood her ground rather than be pressured into giving up an asset in a hyper-partisan political environment. I'd have told them to stick it up their Obama.
Peru was a fantastic place for business and opportunity until the recent election of their Chavez loving lefty President. Sigh, after seeing amazing progress in the last 15 years, it's going to backslide now. I just hope not too much. (
Especially considering whoever threatened or "advised" her was probably a dual-national, officer in the armed services of an alien nation not the USA, or "citizen of unknown nationality who happens to also be your totus"
Ahh the demagoguery of it all
Don't think it has anything to do with her pork for hire business? Her hubby can get deported, and now she thinks she is immune.
She wouldn't be so popular among a certain crowd if she weren't really stupid. That's a major part of her appeal.
Yeah, but she's great at sucking corndog.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/here-is-the-michele-bachmann-corn-dog-pic...
Photo of the Year in my book.
Agreed... now there are a couple of firm rules for politico's being photographed
... don't put on the hat
... drop the corndog
hahahahah,, she just has to relax her throat muscles and ease it on in.
You speak from experience? Deep throat much?
Buzzworthy
Perry outdid her
http://www.pensitoreview.com/Wordpress/wp-content/themes/mimbo2.2/images...
Gully - Gives new meaning to the phrase "deep throat"!
I laugh every time I see that pic... LMAO
That, and she and Palin have big tits.
That's all the passport u need, so I don't understand all the fuss...
"Patriotism doesn’t mean blindly going all in."
For a large part of the right wing, it sure does.
You come to ZH and STILL buy the left right bullshit? Or did you type yahoo.com wrong?
Fine, let's not call them right-wing, but "idiot rednecks" instead... and let's call the left-wing "idiot fags"
Fukin' IDIOT!
Hell at this point I'd strangle a baby for a Swiss citizenship! But dumbass Bachmann immediately bends to the 'conservative spokesmouths' like Beck Hannity Limbaugh and says 'I'm keepin my US citizenship! Ooo raaahhhh'!! LOL whatever dumbass.
"Patriotism doesn’t mean blindly going all in."
Simon, have you been in this country for a long time? Patriotism means precisely going all in. Patriots give up everything. Since 9/11 most have given up their basic civil liberties, for crying out loud. If that's not all in I don't know what is.
'U.S. patriotism' means putting on a blindfold and becoming the biggest sheep and cannon fodder ever in world history.
Then call into Hannity, and you will instintly become "A Great American"
you are confusing patriotism with nationalism...
OK, yesterday was Brazil and today is Switzerland. Stop this shit Simon, I'm getting a headache. I'm already in trouble with Jenna Bush for sharecropping farmland in Paraguay.
http://vegasxau.blogspot.com
Bachmen has demonstrated that she is a fucking idiot and as such is not qualified to have a government post, except, of course in the USA.
Oh but the the fucking geniusies who occupy the whitehouse right now are huh! I guess you're not an idiot if you attend Harvard because those people sure know a whole lot about free market capitalism let alone how business works.
When Obuttfukk was asked why he would raise capital gains taxes when raising them decreases revenue to the treasury and when you LOWER TAXES you get MORE revenue to the treasury. His brilliant response was it's not about revenue, it's about FAIRNESS. Or suggesting small business take out loans to increase payroll or give your employees raises. This brilliance is so dazzling that it is quite clear who the IDIOT is. And that idiot should learn to spell Bachmann
noticing a whole lot of this today!
it cometh!
Service Unavailable Error 503Surely, any politicians who denounce the dual citizenship of another politician are not being hypocritical.
After all, Switzerland is well known for its intense lobbying efforts to influence US policies and retain its position as the #1 recipient of US aid.
uhh... never mind.
Why is it never mentioned MOST of congress has DUAL US/Israeli citizenships? Huh...weird.
How many US politicians have Israeli citizinship as well?
Paul Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, Adelman, Satloff, Kissinger, Luttwak, Feith, Zakheim, Abrams, Grossman, Haass, Zoelick, Schlesinger, Sembler, Chertoff, Bolton, Greenspan, Goldsmith, Golden, Gersten, Gildenhorn, Weinberger, Bodman, Cohen, Davis, Bloomfield, Lefkowitz, Frum, Melman, Blakeman ALL HOLD ISRAELI CITIZENSHIP
That shouldn't bother Michelle, tho.
Duuhhhhh....Israel's an ally.
I hope that was sarcasm.
/I'm not too bright, so sometimes these subtle jokes go over my wooly sheepen head
It's kind of a prediction of her priorities. I could always be wrong.
if she was able to get an israeli passport michelle would be considered a good citizen and uber patriot.
To her discredit she did kiss ass at the wailing wall like the other puppet pols.
"It’s like an insurance policy… something that you many never ‘need’, but you’ll be incredibly thankful you have in case you ever do."
Maybe...
But don't expect anyone to trust your allegiance. In a world where the beast reaches throughout the world (despite claims on "Sovereign" Man) it's better to be in the presence of people willing to make a stand rather than a bunch of dual nationals who scatter like cockroaches when SHTF.
Then I'd rather be in Switzerland than Sheepzerland.
The Yearly Award is going to be an toughy between all attendees at Davos 2012, the US Super Committee and the EC-EU-ECB
...and all on the very same issue, solving a debt problem with more debt
We didn't need further confirmation that Bachmann is a complete idiot, but here it is.
This is still the "fight or flight" question... As has been noted in the past when this topic comes up, DON'T ASSUME that all that SMELLS WELL ELSEWHERE WILL CONTINUE TO. Those "nice" places won't necessarily STAY nice; and, be careful about looking like a square peg in a land of round holes.
I don't think that one can guarantee they still won't face a fight elsewhere. Being that this is an economics site I started to think in economic terms, using the "buy low, sell high" principle to rationalize my decision to stay and "fight." (most other places it's going to cost a fair amount to shift to; some are still bubbling)
Buy low, endure a bit of shit, then come out the other side in a country that has the best balance of natural resources on the planet- the US.
Food, Shelter and Water. If you value the substances of life then these are the things that you HAVE to fight for (else, well, you die).
Disclaimer: I work for NO travel agency or import/export business. I hold no stock or other financial positions in any foreign country.
How much gold can Simon smuggle through customs in his keister? Tune in next week to find out!
You can fit a lot in a vagina.
Bachman / Palin for Prez and Vice Prez in 2016, baby! Running on the " Double Trouble " Ticket! Preceded by their fund raising photo op in Playboy. After the election, a really bad porn movie called "Double Dykes Do Washington Doggie Dildo Style", to keep public interest running at a fevered pitch.
At year three of the first term, a stylish P.R. campaign for re-election ramps up to a crescendo when they finish their first term with the " Fuck America - REAL GOOD! " tour.
This is followed upon their winning re-election for a second term with the passing of the " What's Good For Us Is Good For America " Consolidation Population Act. The 99 percenters get what is " Best For The American People " - all expense paid trips to the FEMA camp of your choice! But wait - there's more - free meds and indoctrination into the Mama Grizzly Tribe! Fuck, yeah! Good Times!
I saw it on Oprah - it HAS to be true !
Actually I don't know if it is her who is stupid as much as the people who vote for her.
Not sure why the down votes, is she dumb if she does what her voters expect of her? Or are the voters dumb for expecting her to do it? The only thing you can say is that she has no principles, which is not the same as being dumb.
Ok she probably isn't very intelligent, but dumb? No.
FAIL
(a 3-watt bulb is brighter than this Woman)
Come on guys, Michelle Bachmann? She's such an easy target!
Her and Sarah Palin are so dim, put them into a room and switch the light on, the room gets darker!
DavidC
I'm pretty sure people like Michelle Bachmann will do very well in the upcoming third-worldization of the U.S. They'll have a far larger labor pool to select from when building the reinforced walls around their palaces.
Didn't know there were Swiss people that dumb. (Talking about her husband, of course). No wonder he moved to Minnesota!
the point is she pursued this for many years, while being a Congressperson and a Presidential candidate, but the moment she suffered the completely forseeable political consequences, she undid it. That is the stupid part. If you want a Swiss passport for all the good reasons mentions but you are a congress preson and later run for President, you have to know your personal reasons for wanting it will conflict with your public image as a nationalist.
So if politics matter to you more, probably best not to pursue. If you are willing to take the minor political hit givent he gain to yourself, pursue away.
But to pursue a passport for years while you are a national politician, opposed to many policies Switzerland embraces, a national politician that accuse other politicians of being unAmerican etc...and then be surprised by the public reaction and hurriedly rescind your dula citizenship, that is one stupid politician.
How in the fuck is obtaining a foreign passport un-American? Isn't the US the land of the Free? Including the freedom to move about without restriction? If anything the requirement for passports is un-American.I agree with the writer, she's a moron, and an even bigger one for letting the press dictate her actions.
It wasn't just a foreign passport but also foreign citizenship, which presumably comes with some sort of oath of allegiance which of course would conflict with her other oath of allegiance.
Funny how her foreign citizenship application and oath of allegiance never came up in the primary debates.
Simon, 14+ countries in 2 months ....so let's see ........throw in flight time, other travel time, time being felt up by security and you problably come up with a total of 2 days max in each country. WOW! you can really learn alot a bout a country in two days!
Don't miss the point cloud watchers! Announcing it will rain doesn't make dropplets immenent.
It is possible to publicly say something with words and backdoor accept something on paper with a kindly gestured caveat from said offeror.
If anyone gets secrecy isn't it the Swiss? Hello!
Those Swiss sure bend right over for the IRS didn't they? Not so secret anymore. Pussies.
Actually the Swiss did no such thing, they gave the IRS the finger and the scandal went away when the Swiss turned the tables and told the US that Delaware was the worlds biggest tax haven and the US govt should reform Delaware corporate law, the dirty lil secret is most secret Swiss accounts are held/owned by dummy corporations in Delaware.
The Swiss only agreed to gave up people with US passports and Swiss accounts, presumably all the Swiss dual citizens aren't included in the settlement, they have Swiss passports.
Yeah they stood-down Hitler Stalin and Rosenvelt the ass-kising sissies!
Skaredy Kats!
I suppose Churchill and Reagan should have applied for Swiss citizenship as a back-up in case their policies/positions failed? I rather prefer that the captain of the ship doesn't have his own luxury dingy ready in case he crashes the boat into the rocks. "Another martini, Cap'n?..Sure, bring it on!" Your political position is showing, sir.
Pizza Man,
I rather prefer that the captain of the ship doesn't have his own luxury dingy ready in case he crashes the boat into the rocks. "Another martini, Cap'n?..Sure, bring it on!" Your political position is showing, sir.
Comparing Michelle to either is assinine...................................plus, times were FAR different.
dz,
Not comparing MB to Reagan nor Churchill, but I am suggesting that we shouldn't like any of our statesmen to be only partially committed to the cause and ready to bail as soon as they fuck up.
I wrote Mrs Bachmann a letter today urging her to craft a bill defining the term "natural born citizen" to be "A person born of American citizens and by default not eligible for foreign citzenship". This would of couse exclude all of her dual citizen split allegiance Swiss National children, I won't hold my breath.
I don't think a letter to the Swiss embassy or govt saying "no thanks" is sufficient to renounce her already obtained Swiss citizenship, I know that method doesn't work with the US government.
I'm sure her Swiss Citizenship application wasn't "automatic" with her marriage and included active participation upon Mrs Bachmann's part, an application form, some fee and most likely when conferred, a "loyalty oath" which conflicts with her other loyalty oath she took when entering public office was most certainly included.
Is Bachman guilty of perjury agaisnt the Swiss govt? Perjury and treason agaisnt the American govt? Is swearing allegiance to a foreign state while an American treason? or Abandonment? Or just bad form?
OBTW she must have had her application in long before running for the Presidency, I wouldn't be surprised if they Swiss Govt even supressed the news to assist her campaign.
fyi, the Supreme Court has defined 'natural born citizen' as a someone who was born in the united States of parents who are citizens of the US.
In no fewer than four cases.
Which makes Obummer ineligible, but that's another discussion...
The reason that the framers of the Constitution wrote it that way, and that the Supreme Court has interpreted it that way is that they don't want people with mixed alliegences running the country. The inherent conflict of interest should be really apparent.
I wrote Mrs Bachmann a letter today urging her to craft a bill defining the term "natural born citizen" to be "A person born of American citizens and by default not eligible for foreign citzenship". This would of couse exclude all of her dual citizen split allegiance Swiss National children, I won't hold my breath.
I don't think a letter to the Swiss embassy or govt saying "no thanks" is sufficient to renounce her already obtained Swiss citizenship, I know that method doesn't work with the US government.
I'm sure her Swiss Citizenship application wasn't "automatic" with her marriage and included active participation upon Mrs Bachmann's part, an application form, some fee and most likely when conferred, a "loyalty oath" which conflicts with her other loyalty oath she took when entering public office was most certainly included.
Is Bachman guilty of perjury agaisnt the Swiss govt? Perjury and treason agaisnt the American govt? Is swearing allegiance to a foreign state while an American treason? or Abandonment? Or just bad form?
OBTW she must have had her application in long before running for the Presidency, I wouldn't be surprised if they Swiss Govt even supressed the news to assist her campaign.
The Swiss have a different immigration policy than America, in addition to rigorous standards to assure no assholes or parasites move in, I believe all perspective immigrants have to be VOTED IN by local citizens, so even if you meet all the federal standards the local people still have to "like you" enough to let you stay as a citizen, I'm not sure of the same local voter rules apply to spouses of citizens, (I'm guessing they don't).
We escaped from the US a few years ago and now live in New Zealand. Here in NZ you are eligible for citizenship after 5 years of continuous residency. We are about 2 years away from being eligible and you better believe we will be applying when that happens.
USKiwi
Congrats,over the history of America, many people have held more than one, two citizenships in other countries.
Dual citizenships were common place to the Jet setters.
(Change yer handle to Snake Pliskin), LOL
Instead of focusing all the hate on her, why not post the decent and Godly,loving things she,and her familiy has done?.
If most here were fortunate enough to have had her opportunity, how many WOULD have said NO?.(my bet is damned few).
My $$$$ is there is not ONE other person in the Senate, nor the House that have EVER made the sacrifices for as many as she has........from the kindness of her heart.
What the hell has she done to any of you here for the hate........sometimes I just do not get some of you.
You stupid mother fucker apologizing for that idiot bitch. The only thing I want to see is the cheap home made youtube porn you make fucking her up the ass. She's fucked her constituents up the ass for years - now I want to see that stupid bitch get hers.
Maybe they're:
- Gay
- Muslim
- Taxpayers (that don't appreciate people who take tax credits while preaching about tax reform)
- Offended by the incredibly stupid
Got St Kitts citizenship two years ago, Moved to New Zealand and bought a small farm. 4 months ago renounced US citizenship and disabled the cable TV. Certainly not for everyone, but life hasn"t been this stress-free
anytime in my entire adulthood.
When the going gets tough, the wise are already gone. Dunno Mr. Black, but second citizenship in the current global circumstances is a no brainier and a much much better investment than a 10 year treasury. Good luck to everyone.
Where you at in NZ? We are in the Wairarapa. I can definitely relate to the stress-free comment. Life is almost too easy here. Did the consulate here give you any troubles when you renounced?
You guys are smart.
I'm Dumb.
Fuck
"Oh, and there are no men in caves plotting to kill the Swiss."
There are no men in caves plotting to kill anybody. Those who do are mostly in offices in Langley, Virginia.
Why would anyone want to be a slave to two states? Isn't one enough?
A woman that dumb dosent desrve a back up plan.
Ms. Bachmann is why they invented the "C" word. This dumb "C" is just a bit smarter than the amazing crowd of rich pricks and stupid white trash bible thumpers in here district who vote for a brain dead "C".
If she gave up the chance to hold a Swiss Passport, then she truely is a stupid "C". Given that this country is turning into one giant gulag, a chance to bailout should always be accepted as an escape plan before the federal thugs come to haul you away to a secret torture prison for life. WHat crime do you need to commit to be hauled away for life to a secret torture prison. Well, under the Partriot act and further Obama signings, NONE AT ALL. The president needs only designate you as a threat to US national security interests, and you disappear into the gulag.
My backup plan is a remote village in the mountains of Italy - the irony of going to Italy to escape fascism in the US warms my cynical, irony-loving heart.
Italy's not even electing Prime Ministers anymore, it's banker-installed now.
You still sure about this?
"Bachmann may ... one day find herself one day trapped in the environment of financial repression, capital controls, and steep inflation"
One day? I thought this environment had already existed for quite some time already. Who wrote this article?
face book co founder got out in time for ipo- living next door to j rogers my guess- renounced his us citizen/taxunit status. Bachmann is playing the game better en most..supid move to loose swiss passport ..only country smart enough to have avoided wars in 20th century..we all wish we were swiss if we were smart. USA is ready for civil war but it will be held off for super bowl this winter, then for nba and hockey play offs then baseball and dancing with stars..so I guess no civil war as we gotta keep the circus going.
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