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Guest Post: Another Shocking, Blatant Coverup Attempt

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From Simon Black of Sovereign Man

Another Shocking, Blatant Coverup Attempt

One of my favorite books is the Personal Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant– West Point graduate, Union commander, former President, and failed businessman. It’s a bit long-winded, but brutally honest, and much of the first volume deals with Grant’s personal experiences as a young military officer during the Mexican War.

The Mexican War was a turning point in American history; fought between 1846-1848 after the US annexation of Texas, it represented many unfortunate firsts for the United States:

1) It was America’s first war of conquest. US politicians had been aching for years to complete the westward expansion, and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo that ended the war ceded all Mexican territory west of the Rio Grande to the US, essentially the entire southwest through California.

2) It was the first time that the US press was involved in a war. Reporters were usually on the battlefield, even ‘embedded’ in troop encampments.  The government used the press to influence popular support for the war, as indicated by this excerpt from the Hartford Weekly Times dated February 5, 1848:

“The course of duty on the part of our country is very plain. Mexico should be completely occupied as to prevent any thing like a government on their part, and so as to secure the entire revenues of the country.”

3) The war was also the first time (of many, many more to come) that the US government outright lied as a pretext to declare war. The official story spun by President James Polk at the time was that Mexican forces invaded the United States, unprovoked, and ‘shed American blood on American soil.’

This account has been rejected by historians, as well as by Grant in his memoirs:

“We were sent to provoke a fight, but it was essential that Mexico should commence it. It was very doubtful whether Congress would declare war; but if Mexico should attack our troops, the Executive could… prosecute the contest with vigor. Once initiated there were but few public men who would have the courage to oppose it.”

Grant later writes, “Experience proves that the man who obstructs a war in which his nation is engaged, no matter whether right or wrong, occupies no enviable place in life or history.”

Not much has changed. The next 165 years of warfare in the United States are filled with lies, deceit, false flag operations, imperialistic conquest, and state-sponsored media propaganda. Those who dared question the official stories were vilified and dismissed as unpatriotic conspiracy theorists.

The most recent example was the capture and death of Osama bin Ladin in May 2011 by the famed SEAL Team Six.

There are so many questions, so many holes in the official story– the conspicuous location in a small town surrounded by Pakistani military, the handling of the body in accordance with a Muslim tradition that doesn’t exist, the refusal to provide any real evidence to verify the claim, etc.

US mainstream media largely gave Obama a pass on these questions and focused instead on the nationwide euphoria over the news.

Now the United States Congress is trying to lock down, once and for all, any further hint of question about the event with a new bill, HR 2819. The bill prohibits any “officer or employee of the Federal Government from providing information about the mission to kill Osama bin Laden to any person outside the Federal Government…”

This essentially silences anyone who might be able to shed some light on the event.

The gag order would remain in effect until the CIA and Defense Department conduct their own ‘investigations’ and brief Congress; in other words, several years at least.

It’s ironic that the government often relies on an insipidly weak logic when it erodes the privacy of its citizens. If you don’t like how USA PATRIOT Act provisions allow then to tap your telephone or check out your rental history, they say, “Hey, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear!”

Obviously the same reasoning doesn’t apply to them… and it’s another example of the tragic farce that is modern government.

 

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Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:24 | 1587697 ??
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Forget about HR 2819, how about

H.R.2820 - Stop Subsidizing the Banksters Act
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:32 | 1587729 Fukushima Sam
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The Mission to Kill bin LadenTM should be a great film!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:03 | 1587850 dwdollar
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Here that?  That's the sound of a dozen well paid .gov keyboarders furiously typing a reply full of ad hominem attacks and faulty logic.  Believe it.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 23:55 | 1589086 Harlequin001
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and with dubious photographs to prove it, just like the lunar landings in a spaceship with all the computing power of a small pocket calculator that haven't been repeated in 40 years despite record money supply and increases in technology.

C'mon, does anyone really believe this shit?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:14 | 1587897 Whalley World
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Yes, a flim flam film

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 23:56 | 1589090 Harlequin001
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yeah, another Blackhawk Down, a real winner that one, not...

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:20 | 1587919 Fed Supporter
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Or

To Kill Bin Laden, The Missiontm or Mission to Kill Bin Ladentm or Bin Laden, The Missiontm or 

Seal Team 6 The Bin Laden Missiontm  or

Seal Team Six The Bin Laden Missiontm  or

Seal Team Six Target Bin Ladentm  or 

Bin Laden Dead or Alive the Seal Team 6 Missiontm

Copyright 2011 Fed Supporter, no duplication allowed without explicit consent in writing from the Fed Supporter, valid in all nations, territorities and outposts.  Violaters will be violated to the full extent allowed by law.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:27 | 1588360 Shirley Wilfahrt
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Amerikka! Fuck Yeah!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 01:47 | 1589269 Idiocracy
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"Comin' agiiiin to save the motha' fuckin' day yeaahhh"

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 00:03 | 1589102 TruthInSunshine
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The Mcgraw-Hill history books (used in public schools all across Amerikranski) will soon reflect that Obama was inserted into Pakistan via HALO parachute method, because he made the executive decision to not put any SEAL Team Six members in harm's way, and that Obama glided down in pitch blackness into Osama Bin Laden's compound, whereby he blasted through thick compound walls, taking out 1,776 of Osama's fiercest protectors with his bare hands, before finding Osama and killing him with a knife forged with steel made from WTC.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 01:01 | 1589214 StychoKiller
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You have a bright future ahead of you in MiniTrue!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:55 | 1588067 steelhead23
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Yes, and since the official story is so flimsy you could embellish reality with impunity.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:34 | 1588220 Careless Whisper
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it's so flimsly that STRATFOR calls bullshit

and issiues it's own report;

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politi...

 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:18 | 1588346 narnia
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the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq were planned well before 9/11

Building 7 was not brought down by al Qaeda

Afghanistan occupation is about pipelines to the Caspian, minerals, drugs & India.

Iraq occupation is about oil reserves.

Pakistan has no intention of living with the Indian-friendly Karzai regime.  They intend to support the re-emergence of the Taliban / a Pakistan friendly regime.  The US has to install a Karzai friendly government in Pakistan or kiss goodbye all the unnecessary stuff completed since 2001.  That's what the bin Laden fable is mostly about.

It's amazing the whole official narrative has to be fiction.  

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:24 | 1588814 nyse
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Correct. Oil reserves or stargates.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 02:24 | 1589301 Michael
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Al Qaeda is a concoction of the CIA.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 11:39 | 1590436 DaveyJones
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and the saddest part beyond the lies and murder is the strategy is assinine and burns more energy and resource than gained 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:45 | 1591492 narnia
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it depends on your assumptions.

if you believe the people in MENA could choose their own governments & those governments would trade oil with us at arms length (because that is in their interest), the US being in MENA is a waste of time.

if you believe people will ultimately reject long term a government installed by force to enforce one-sided colonial economic arrangements, the US being there at all is also a waste of time.

if you believe the market will adjust to any outcome on oil better than a government forcing upon us an inflexible infrastructure, the US being there at all is a waste of time.

so... pretty much you have to have an inflexible, government dictated infrastructure completely dependent on oil and believe you have to take oil by force & can successfully do so in order to engage in US MENA "strategy".  then again, if the ultimate reason why its being done is a special interest that could care less what it costs, the quality of life of those implementing or paying for it, or whether it succeeds long term, then it's not so much a strategy as it is sheer will.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:59 | 1588296 midtowng
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Am I crazy to think that maybe Osama Bin Laden didn't have anything to do with 9/11? Or even whether he has been alive all these years?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 21:49 | 1588665 Yardfarmer
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rather eminently sane and well reasoned.http://kushmonster.blogspot.com/2010/10/al-queda-never-existed.html and kudos to Mr. Black for a good piece of rabble rousing as well.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:12 | 1587883 Grinder74
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...and don't leave out

H.R.2821 - Defund the Criminal S.E.C.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:12 | 1587884 Grinder74
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...and don't leave out

H.R.2821 - Defund the Criminal S.E.C.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:06 | 1588106 cossack55
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There is always HR 645 for shits and giggles.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:09 | 1588117 Mactheknife
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A few fun facts: Today, 3,984 federal, state, and local organizations take part in domestic counterterrorism efforts; the National Security Agency alone has about 30,000 people eavesdropping on 1.7 billion intercepted e-mails and other communications everyday. In June, the FBI gave significant new powers to its 14,000 agents to search databases and even screen household trash without warrants for "persons of interest".  Five billion mobile phones are now in use around the world, and 95% of users keep their phone within a yard of themselves at all times. That's the same as saying the location of 95% of these people can be determined anytime without a warrant.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:23 | 1587699 JLee2027
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Oh come on - stop with the "Empire Conquest" crap. 6 Spanards showed up in the 1500's; planted a flag and claimed the entire American Southwest for SPAIN, not Mexico. Then tens of thousands of white settlers arrived over the next several hundred years. So what did America "conquer" again?

 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:38 | 1587752 Randy Kruger
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Are you disputing the fact that there was a war, which resulted in Mexico ceding territory to the U.S., or are you simply confused over the difference between the concepts of settlement and conquest?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:08 | 1587865 Buzz Fuzzel
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Randy, when did you stop beating your wife?

 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:10 | 1587875 Randy Kruger
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Please elaborate, your argument or implication are not clear to me.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:56 | 1588917 snowball777
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I can't respond right now, my Markov chain generator appears to have had a segmentation fault.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 02:00 | 1589280 jerry_theking_lawler
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check the muffler bearing....if that's not it, try the cog delimiter....if its not either of those then i'm stumped.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:13 | 1587891 Buzz Fuzzel
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would what is happeing on our southern border now be settlement or conquest and how would a high minded and morally superior person like you handle that situation?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:32 | 1587961 Randy Kruger
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With all due respect, I make no claims to moral superiority.

In absence of an armed, state-sponsored conflict, I'd say that the Mexican migration is settlement.  If you wish to stop that settlement, you should raise your beef with the federal authorities that are allowing it to happen.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:42 | 1588245 Everyman
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I have nothing to say and no argument other than you are an ass.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:09 | 1588321 Confused
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What exactly is happening on our southern border? 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:50 | 1587788 trav7777
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the immigrations policies of the indigenous nations did not make such settlement illegal.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:05 | 1588721 GoinFawr
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'settlement', 'genocide'; you say potay toe, I say... you're such a pillock.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:56 | 1587818 snowball777
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This is why I'd be okay with an IQ test as a requirement for voting rights.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:10 | 1587874 Buzz Fuzzel
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And who do you suppose would have trouble with your little test, Randy or the other guy?

 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:27 | 1587938 Randy Kruger
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This is why I'd be okay with an IQ test as a requirement to post on this site.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:00 | 1588087 knukles
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They used to have one, but I got tired of posting with myself.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:43 | 1588247 LawsofPhysics
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Nice zippy, plus one, likewise I am sure.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:27 | 1588832 snowball777
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No one would miss ya.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:59 | 1588928 prole
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Pot, Kettle, and "ya" government paycheck.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:02 | 1588301 midtowng
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So your point is that a place can only be conquered once?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:22 | 1587701 Gene Parmesan
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Love it - the " Stop Subsidizing Hollywood Act." Because reality is theirs to control.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:26 | 1587707 King_of_simpletons
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Idiocracy.

"Brawndo, it's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes"

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:45 | 1587774 drbill
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Scariest movie I've ever seen!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 01:32 | 1589251 Randy Kruger
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Thank you.  Great and super-funny movie.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:26 | 1587712 WarriorClass
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:42 | 1588390 bonderøven-farm ass
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Underground Resistance...'Code Breaker'...

 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:27 | 1587713 zorba THE GREEK
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"the mission to kill Osama Bin Laden"

How do you kill a dead man?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:33 | 1587737 redpill
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Maybe he was a zombie?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:36 | 1587976 DeadFred
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Silver bullets bitchez! Had to say it.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:04 | 1588309 midtowng
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I love zombie movies!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:01 | 1588088 knukles
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Third time lucky.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:53 | 1590263 Diogenes
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Obama put out a hit on him. No law, no trial,  or justice involved.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:28 | 1587716 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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9/11 was an inside job.

Governments are bought and paid for.

We are 'ruled' by human filth of the highest magnitude.

People are docile, apathetic sheep.

etc.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:04 | 1587856 zenbones
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Believe it or not, I watched the "collapse" of WTC 7 the other day for the first time (Or that I can remember watching with an open mind.)  I didn't see the events of that day live because I was in Army basic training at the time.  So I've never had the same feelings toward that event because I didn't really experience it first hand.  Although I was later screwed over fighting the War on "Terrorizers" over "it".  I guess that is first hand.  So watching the video I couldn't help but think it was such an obvious implosion.  It was almost picture perfect.  And then looking at photos of the attack on the Pentagon.  I mean, come on!  Then I remember Dancing with the Idles and American Idiot is on TV and I have some bud in the fridge.  Time to stop thinking.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:27 | 1587944 wang (not verified)
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:29 | 1587949 iNull
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It's even less believable if you have an engineering or science background. Anyone at ZH who has ever worked on a high rise with wide bays and large I-beams knows these things do no come unzipped and just fall to the ground. The idea very is fucking ridiculous. Bldg 7 was an EOC and was overengineered with massive full pen welds that could withstand hurricanes, fires, and just about anything short of a nuclear blast.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:47 | 1588022 Praetorian Guard
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nuclear blast

...and with that you are correct...

 

Molten steel days/weeks after the initial collapse? Yea, my ass. Engineers and steel workers in my family and they could not believe the BS spewed about how it was "jet fuel"... hahahahahah

https://www.gunsgrubandgold.com/forum

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 11:13 | 1590350 Diogenes
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Not to mention if you work with steel. I tried to tell a welder friend about 9/11 and he thought I was nuts until I said "If you can show me how to cut through a 17" steel I beam with a kerosene flame, I will buy you a new car". He just laughed.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:37 | 1588378 Yes_Questions
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At Zen:

Had multiple TVs going at the same time.  We were told BEFORE 7WTC went down that it would.

My dissent started right then.

Next day, a caller to a talk show in S. Florida instructed the host and her listeners about PNAC.

Look up "New Peal Harbor"

My Fury has not subsided since.

I have family in the service and I for one appreciate whatever sacrifice you made in yours.  Good luck in your journey.

 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 00:44 | 1589180 zenbones
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Yeah, I found a site with all the news clips from that day.  Funny how they seem to be forgotten.  The shot of the BBC talking about it falling down while it was still standing was so sad it was pathetically funny.  The really sad thing is most folks refuse to even consider the possibility that what the government is telling them may not be 100% true.  I guess ignorance is bliss.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:05 | 1587858 Moe Howard
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+ etc.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:28 | 1587719 lolmao500
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http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/08/21/antiwar-com-vs-the-fbi/

FOIA Documents Disclose FBI Considers Antiwar.com a Terrorist Organization


Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:33 | 1587733 swissaustrian
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Everybody knows that war is peace and peace is war.

newspeak at it´s best.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:48 | 1587992 DosZap
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lolmao,

Also, if your WHITE,(causcasoids have really been tering the house down)have a copy of the Const, and own a firearm, your a Terrorist...........according to Head of DHS.

If you have ever been in the military,Iraq I,II,Trashcanistan, and made it back alive,............your on the list also.

The Air Force, the FBI,the ATF, and Local PoPo's raided a Guns store in Las Vegas in search of stolen Air Force property.

Took all of those agencies to raid one Gunstore?,PLUS the AIR FORCE?. Shit, must have been Obama's spare set of Woods.

It was not weapons, or weapons related........but, they found (of course) what had been stolen from the base,yesterday, or over the weekend.

 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:32 | 1587730 Randy Kruger
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"It’s ironic that the government often relies on an insipidly weak logic when it erodes the privacy of its citizens."

 

There is no such thing as a right to privacy.  Nor, as a practical matter, can a citizen maintain any semblance of privacy.  Think your smartphone, Google, etc etc.  The dangers lie not in the availability of information, but in how it may be used by parties both public and private.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:50 | 1587789 snowball777
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You're an idiot and should be fucked repeatedly by baboons in a glass house.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:13 | 1587892 Randy Kruger
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Truth hurts.  You seem to know quite a bit about being molested by baboons.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:37 | 1587982 Ms. Erable
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No doubt a result of attending numerous soirees at your place of residence.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:23 | 1588353 weinerdog43
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Ignore him.  In Griswold v. Connecticut, the US Supreme Court did in fact find a 'right of privacy'.  He can look it up.  But that might challenge his idiotic beliefs.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 02:57 | 1589113 TruthInSunshine
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Meyer v Nebraska (1923)
Griswold v Connecticut (1965)
Stanley v Georgia (1969)
Ravin v State (1975)
Kelley v Johnson (1976)
Cruzan v. Missouri Dep't. of Health (1990)
Lawrence v Texas (2003)

Bill of Rights (and 14th Amendment) Provisions Relating to the Right of Privacy

Amendment I
(Privacy of Beliefs)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. 

Amendment III
(Privacy of the Home)
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
(Pivacy of the Person and Possessions)
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment IX
(More General Protection for Privacy?)
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Liberty Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment
No State shall... deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,
without due process of law.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:31 | 1588843 snowball777
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Haven't seen any "truth" in your posts to date...and, in your case, the baboon sex would be both consensual and between primates of equal intelligence.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 02:56 | 1589320 TruthInSunshine
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FYI

Snowball was talking to Randy Kruger, and not me, for what it's worth (I think).

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:52 | 1587799 Sean7k
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Actually, there is. It is an extension of the fourth amendment through judicial decision. Of course, the 4th amendment is being eviscerated, so that could change. But then, are we a Republic or a Police State? The question is rhetorical.

The danger lies in people's willingness to have chains placed upon their wrists and manacles upon their ankles. Even the velvet variety. 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:22 | 1587917 Randy Kruger
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I wasn't referring to the U.S. constitution or its interpretation by the courts, but rather expressing my own views.  We can argue endlessly over the definition of privacy, or over what constitutes a violation thereof, and still get nowhere.  

As a practical matter, privacy does not exist.  Through the use of modern communication technology, we are willingly divulging our likes, dislikes, views, friends, location, history of movement.  There are jurisdictions out there where attempts have been made to safeguard some aspects of what some consider privacy.  In Germany, for example, you can block off the image of your house on Google Streetview.  While I respect the healthy instinct, measures of this sort will ultimately be circumvented/defeated.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:07 | 1588319 Sean7k
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Then don't use the word "right". I do have a right to privacy and prize it. If someone violates it and I want to pursue it, then I like to know I still can. 

Sitting and bitching about the police state? Whine somewhere else. Get busy living or get busy dying...

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:23 | 1588337 Confused
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Sitting and bitching about the police state? Whine somewhere else. Get busy living or get busy dying...

 

Sean. Seriously. You've been here long enough. Doesn't everyone here whine about the police state from time to time? Come on. I'll chaulk this one up to you being frustrated with the comments. ;-P 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:54 | 1588904 Randy Kruger
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Well, I'm not the one bitching about the police state, quite the opposite.  Use of the word "right" doesn't necessarily presume legal right, much less legal right as defined by U.S. case law.  A right is also a social or an ethical principle of entitlement.  

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:23 | 1588351 LstrzMnyn
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What's getting folks excited is your inability to differentiate between that data which is knowingly and willfully divulged in public(a good first-life example is a person coming out publicly to friends, neighbors, etc.) and that which is systematically gathered as part of a vast intelligence effort on the part of an intruding government presence, clearly due to extreme paranoia on the part of said government and related agencies.

That you would sum up offical Acts and programs such as these with an "aw-shucks" remark about the inability to have "privacy" is absurd to the extreme. By your logic, I have every right to find a way to get you on video nailing your favorite(s), compile an archive of such footage, use to slander or otherwise defame you, and then excuse myself of any guilt or wrong-doing by saying, "Hey, buddy! It's not like you don't know there's people out here who can see you!"

 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 23:20 | 1588887 Randy Kruger
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Check my first post.  I explicitly referred to the fact that danger lies not in the information itself, but in how it is used.  

I'm not saying that someone has a right to come into your house and film you.  Unnecessary.  If you're a facebook/google user, you have already written a rather extensive dossier on yourself and everyone you know.  What's getting folk excited is their aversion to thought, intolerance for views that differ from their own, and inability to control their emotions.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:06 | 1587861 Use of Weapons
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You are so fucking out of the loop it is pitiful.

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/persuaders/etc/neuro.html

 

 

Now fuck off, shill.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:12 | 1587882 Randy Kruger
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Shill for what/who?  Your inability to maintain a civilized argument renders any discussion useless.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:39 | 1587987 Use of Weapons
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woySeSNBL3o

 

Your inability to maintain an intelligent argument renders you a troll.

 

Hint: There's an entire movement out there who knows all about FB, Google, Smart phone tracking and so on, and is actively opposing it. Might have noticed them reducing the "elite" security to pieces with weekly leaks of 'secure' data. Privacy can exist, and we know all about the government apparatus designed to capture data. In fact, I might just be a sacrificial lamb designed to honeypot assets into engagement for better ones to trace and avoid.

 

If you're ignorant about it, then you're a tool.

If you're deliberately ignoring it, you're a shill.

 

Given your other posts, I went with the latter. But feel free to admit you're just pure stupid.  Oh, and warning - judging by your posts so far, you lack the required firepower to start an engagement, so...

 

#OpMetalGear

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:46 | 1588020 Randy Kruger
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So I already have fans.  I'd be glad to refer you to a good specialist who treats paranoid schizophrenics.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:03 | 1588062 Use of Weapons
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Aaaaand... that's a second /fail.

 

You didn't even bother to grep my recent posts. Aww. Might want to check on an exchange of views I had referencing attack patterns of assets on the schizoid I just had with a highly smart old timer here. We even did it in a sophisticated counter-point of referential linking just to be smart n kinky. 101 rhizomatic, bitch. I'm now owed a beer, so yay me!

 

Hint: this is fight club. If you can't fight well, fuck off. And you can't.

 

QQ

 

 

p.s. Please come back with another crappy one liner shitty attack - we know you're paid by the post, so why disallow a man his daily whoring bread? Unless you can do better (we doubt it though) - QUICK look up responses in your PDF!

 

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Awwww... no response, just a junk. I AM DISSAPOINT. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/son-i-am-disappoint

Fuck me, you guys are outgunned. Kinda sad.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:05 | 1588095 Randy Kruger
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One-liners can be amazingly useful when they evoke lengthy undecypherable rants.  Say no to drugs and stop wasting your time.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:14 | 1588118 Use of Weapons
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Tee-hee.

You just went from "label with taboo mental illness" to "imply drug usage". Hint: only fucking spooks n tribbles worry over drug usage - or should I suggest that provigil and nuvigil are not the smart drugs of the working-to-the-bone capitalist dream?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1219289/

 

I just won another beer. Oh, and you just hit stupid not being able to understand my post.

 

Please continue - your script is amusing. I want a bonus round, I've money on which attack vector you're chosing next.

 

 

[hint: quit now - you're outgunned, and we know your script. P.s. Since you gave yourself a +1 green to imply people care about a silly troll thread, so did we :) Want me to +1 all your posts to make you look better? ]

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:16 | 1588138 Randy Kruger
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Woof!  Reply?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:22 | 1588146 Use of Weapons
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http://www.search.windowsonwarwickshire.org.uk/content/images/8/17/Resou...

 

You're doing it wrong.

 

p.s. Winning.

 

[Timer is on - we're looking for a strike out post here. Please go to /b/tard to garner better skills at this]

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:26 | 1588189 Randy Kruger
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You should +1 ALL of my posts, LOL.  Woof!  Reply?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:30 | 1588204 Use of Weapons
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Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:17 | 1588293 Use of Weapons
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Aww. 30 min latency hit.  Binary > paid shill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q

 

Douche. I'm looking forward to its next "Inventive" troll session. For the record @ the observers not used to meta-trolling, the game is to get the shill to use "mental illness" and "drug usage" in the shortest time possible. These are the major attack vectors of gov. sponsored trolls1. Given it only took 2 posts, I won the game.

The account then panicked and went for the base line "doggy" approach. i.e. "I can make you respond and do tricks, pavlov stlye - if you post, and respond through anger, "I WIN"". Perchance. never learnt about wolf pack dynamics, and his script ran out of options - and his pool has aids.

 

That account is 100% paid spooktastic #opmetalgear. So be advised.

 

[tee-hee]

  • 1. if you want, you can google the PDF of official trolling used by the IDF and other spooky agencies for a laugh. And yes, we all have read them and can push their buttons instantly for shits n giggles
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 21:21 | 1588517 Absinthe Minded
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You guys suck. You sound like my kids bitching at each other.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 23:17 | 1588994 Randy Kruger
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My apologies; the other two-year old must have gotten excited over my avatar.  I will no longer permit pollution of this blog by barking.  I promise!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 00:35 | 1589165 NidStyles
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The force is weak with this one^^

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 09:27 | 1589829 Use of Weapons
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 23:21 | 1588874 Randy Kruger
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**

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 01:18 | 1589235 StychoKiller
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9. Play Dumb.  No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion.  Mix well for maximum effect.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 23:39 | 1589051 tip e. canoe
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been wondering why i've been seeing all these references to shrooms1 lately.

well played no(R), beers on me.

1Public Service Announcement : Mushrooms & WiFi don't mix!  too much electrostatic interference can be harmful to your pineal gland.  when flying Tesla Airlines, best stick to the wormwood.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:33 | 1587734 AcidRastaHead
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Don't worry soon they'll release the picture we've all been waiting for, Osama shot while taking a dump over a barrel conspicuously labelled 'WMD'.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:34 | 1587740 sudzee
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So lets see: Osama is alive, now is an undercover agent for the CIA, giving lessons to Canadian politicians on "how to lie" American Style. I was sittin in the bar the other day havin a beer with Jimmy Hoffa and guess who was croonin a tune in the washroom. You got it, it was Elvis.
The only bubble south of the border is in lies and deceipt.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:03 | 1587852 toady
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I know where Hoffa's body is buried.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:05 | 1588097 knukles
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OK.  I'll bite. 
So where is Jimmy Hoffa buried, toady?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 21:12 | 1588483 toady
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I usually don't tell this story for free. It usually costs a few beers at least...

Here's the quick version. In my youth I lived in a Detroit suburb. There was a major construction job nearby. They NEVER worked night shifts. Well, all the equipment fired up in the middle of the night and they poured concrete for a couple of hourz, then they stopped. They didn't run a night shift again.

The next day the paper were full of 'Hoffa Missing!' Stuff.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:34 | 1588218 Ruffcut
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Teaching politicians to lie is easy.  Realizing they are buttfucking the nation, makes it even easier.

Canadians don't need to lie much to their sheep. Too many hockey pucks to the head. I met some camping last week, for the tenth time and smart like a box of rocks, EH?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:43 | 1587749 rocker
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The capture and death of Osama bin Ladin was great for America.  Do I believe it. You Bet I do. If only because Al-Qaeda has verified it. This was a loss for them.

Not even Bambi would make it up if he was not Dead.  Think about the consequences.  The press has basically ignored it because Bambi did not have a jock strap around his waist landing on a air craft carrier with a "Mission Accomplished Banner.  You see, for most, this is required to believe the war is over.  LOL

What the sheeple hear is what they want to hear.  Turn on CNBC or FOX and they will tell you what to think and do. They will tell you over and over again until you believe it.  As Rupert Murdoch himself has said, they, (the sheeple), are so stupid they need to be told.  This part is not funny because he believes it. Rupert influences over half of the world's news. This is not good for anyone. 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:09 | 1587873 Moe Howard
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How was it great if this administration told us they MUST give the terrorists civilian trails in NEW YORK, the scene of the crime? If a cop did to a suspect what the commandos did to bin Ladin, he would be in jail right now charged with murder. So the administration is for the rule of law, except when they are not. And according to you, what makes it legal is Obama didn't land on an aircraft carrier.

You are an idiot.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:16 | 1587903 Piranhanoia
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We will likely believe what we want to believe, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that we are creating false memories or beliefs based on the statements of others,  because they are trusted sources or simply peer repetition.  Don't worry, everyone does it.  You may want to consider what you rush to assume as fact based on these beliefs.   I don't think any of the events happened as described because there is no proof of any of the claims. I don't know if this has something to do with all or most of the unit that was supposed to have killed him being killed together shortly afterward. I don't know if the people that worked with Binny when he worked for us for far longer than he worked against us that say he died in 2002, or shortly thereafter due to the end stages of his disease. Everything we have to go on is based on audio recordings that have enough noise to have been edited heavily and video that usually involves stock footage ending before 2001.

What do we really get to know?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:22 | 1588349 mfoste1
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you are in LEAGUE with the sheeple.....

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:40 | 1587757 Negro Primero
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:43 | 1587770 ArkansasAngie
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A Keep Americans ignorant bill ... and it's a Republican.  Bush must have known he died years ago and didn't want it out in case we decided we'd won the war before his work wqas done.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:45 | 1587772 TruthInSunshine
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Simon Black is a Truth Teller. Blessed be the Truth Tellers, for they will help to wake the sheople.

 

In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.

 

-- George Orwell 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:56 | 1587820 trav7777
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the sheeple will never awaken, nor would you want them to

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:08 | 1587867 DaveyJones
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the truth is quickly becoming a crime, See Wiki et al

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:49 | 1587787 lolmao500
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In other news, Assad is now using warplanes to bomb his own people....

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:51 | 1587797 snowball777
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Bullish for the MIC!

War. What is it good for? It's good for business!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:15 | 1587899 john39
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his own people, or CIA/Mossad mercenaries and goons?  Seems like Syria is next up on Israel's hit list.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:48 | 1588407 pops
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Nah.  I'm thinking Venezuela is next.  Hugo wants his gold.  That means he's probably going to start trying to set up a gold backed currency like Ghadaffi did.  Then he'll push to be paid for his oil in something besides dollars, again like Ghadaffi did.

Suddenly, the world will be horrified to see how oppressed the Venezuelans are. 

Don't you just love humanitarian missions? 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:20 | 1588161 Young Buckethead
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Isn't that just good Krugman economics?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:52 | 1587804 salimmk
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Is anybody really shocked?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:22 | 1587925 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Other than Claude Rains?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:54 | 1587811 jjsilver
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Everything moves by contract, the Government has no power over you unless you consent, and there is a presumption on their part they have jurisdiction over you. THEY DO NOT!!! Go here and watch the videos for a better understanding. Do not consent!!

 

http://www.freemanitoba.com/

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:55 | 1587814 poggi
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Oh, come on.  The sponsor thinks Sony is producing a paean to Obama's skillful command that got Osama.  The bill is meant to make it harder for Sony to produce the film and screen it prior to the 2012 elections to polish Osam...er, Obama's image.

Making fookin' mountains out of mouse turds.  Some folks who dwell here are a tad reactionary.  

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:04 | 1587855 snowball777
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It's also a blatant violation of the 1st amendment rights of anyone who isn't bound by their clearance, but, hey...who cares about the constitution, right?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:12 | 1587889 Moe Howard
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Yes, much like when the video about Hilliary Clinton was blocked before her election, they won against Clinton, but after the horse left the barn. The problem is, when you OK messing with one group's speech rights, you end up messing with everybody's.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:00 | 1587833 Bastiat
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"Shocking?"  We've entered the "post-shock" era.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:08 | 1587864 dwdollar
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I didn't realize Grant had anything like that in his biography or that he even had one.  That should take the wind out of anyone who still believes the government version of 9/11... at least for a few minutes.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:14 | 1587896 Moe Howard
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Did you forget the Maine? We just got done paying telephone tax for that war. They have been making fake wars a business for centuries.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:18 | 1587908 dwdollar
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Makes one wonder who really fired the first shot of the Civil War.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:29 | 1588177 Young Buckethead
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The Japanese-American fishermen out of Long Beach were picking up Japanese military transmissions when the Japanese were on their way to Pearl Harbor. Many of the fishermen called to notify the FBI. The response? They had their radios seized and were told to be quiet or else.

All the J-A's knew what was up. I still can't believe anyone volunteered for the 442nd after all that crap. True Americans to a fault.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:46 | 1588877 HungrySeagull
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The JA's were rounded up and interned for the duration of the war.

A incredible effort switched from Peacetime to war footing within a few months. USA was indeed the arsenal of democracy and a sleeping giant that was woken.

Battleships sunk at Pearl was raised, patched up, dead buried and refitted. They will get thier revenge in battle later in the war.

 

They still have a Environmental problem with the fuel oil around Arizona. There is not much time left before that steel gives way and pollutes the entire area, not to mention the war dead.

 

I heard quite a few reports a day after 9-11 that the authorities swept into every place with a camera that could see the Pentagon when it was attacked. Those films will probably surface a few decades from now. It's worth hold on for to find out what really happened that day.

 

I don't waste time with coverups. We are at war and have been since the first time someone lighted off a puny bomb back in 93 under the WTC. Clinton had a chance to shoot down Osama via F14's I believe one night. He did not take the shot.

 

Or go back to the Crusades. There you will see many of the basics between the east and west.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:40 | 1588873 HungrySeagull
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It's going to be close to Salt Lake City when some units fought with the US Army on the mountain to the east. It's quite possiblke Confederate maritime forces were already positioning when the war started. Not much more than blockade running or interfering with the whaling industry. (No save the whales back then either.)

However the seeds of war has been planted a few centuries before. Hell... war is a past time.

If it was not for Lincolns frusteration at the do nothing General after General that kept getting whipped by Bobby Lee Grant would not even be much of a presence in our History. And the only way Lee could be beaten was to be ground down with men, and more replacements and more. Always more.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:24 | 1587932 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I didn't realize Grant had anything like that in his biography or that he even had one.

 

Mark Twain helped him with it. Grant was flat broke but the sales of his biography provided for his family after his death.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:47 | 1588023 DeadFred
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Mark Twain's viewpoint on people, life, government and such was highly jaded. He would have been and excellent contributor on ZeroHedge.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:41 | 1588241 Tuco Benedicto ...
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"A word to the wise is unnecessary."             Mark Twain

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:43 | 1588248 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I love the way Twain can be curmudgeonly and sweet at the same time. A first class American talent.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:30 | 1588365 LstrzMnyn
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The first professional comedian touring his stand-up act

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:54 | 1588911 snowball777
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"Some men worship rank, some worship heroes, some worship power, some worship God, & over these ideals they dispute & cannot unite--but they all worship money."

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 01:57 | 1589275 TheMerryPrankster
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Grant's biography was published by Mark Twain and was one of the most succesful titles of his publishing venture. That quote sounded like something Twain would have written. I don't know if he did any editing or polishing of prose for Grant, but they both enjoyed whiskey with their writing.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:08 | 1587866 seenod2010
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"The Mexican War was a turning point in American history; fought between 1846-1848 after the US annexation of Texas, it represented many unfortunate firsts for the United States:

1) It was America’s first war of conquest..."

Depending on the source and terms of conquest used, the Mexican-US war wasn't the first war of conquest. My personally favorite is by the time the US made the Lousiana Purchase from France; it was not even owned by France at that point.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:50 | 1588039 DeadFred
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The war of 1812 was the first attempted war of conquest, with Canada as the target. The 'oops factor' got in the way of that one.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:08 | 1587869 slewie the pi-rat
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but simon, the nannies like it that way!!!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:15 | 1587893 whstlblwr
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Another

idiotic

post from someone who doesn't understand congress. Please put Sovereign Man in tag line so I not waste the time of clicking on posts.

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