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Guest Post: Are There Any Disadvantages To A Second Passport?
Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man
Are There Any Disadvantages To A Second Passport?
I can’t even begin to describe how happy I am to be back in the land of the free… and yes, I’m talking about Chile.
I arrived a few days ago to beautiful summertime weather (remember, the seasons are flipped down here in the southern hemisphere). As usual, the customs officials at the airport were speedy, courteous, and efficient. From plane to cab I was out of there in 20-minutes– with luggage. This is par for the course in Chile.
It’s so nice to be in a place where you’re treated like a human being and agents of the government don’t go around robbing, molesting, and pepper-spraying peaceful citizens.
This is one of the many, many reasons why we’ve selected Chile as the home for our resilient community, and I’m happy to be back in-country so that I can dedicate myself to furthering this effort over the next several months.
When you step back and think about it, it’s extraordinary that we’re even talking about such a thing. Just five years ago, anyone who talked about a global economic slowdown was laughed out of the room. Today we are facing an all-out collapse of the fiat system. How quickly things change.
One of the best books on the subject that I’ve read lately is John Mauldin’s appropriately titled Endgame; John is one of the most accomplished and knowledgable financial writers on the planet, and he clearly explains why the end of the global debt supercycle is a foregone conclusion.
(FYI, the book is an easy read and I highly recommend picking up a few copies to give as gifts to all of your friends who still don’t get it…)
Last weekend, John and I had the chance to share a bowl of chips and salsa in an uptown Dallas bar and trade views about which governments might collapse and which have a shot at survival.
It was simultaneously depressing and hilarious… and I was certainly glad to be heading off to our farm in Chile afterwards. More on that next week– first, a few questions:
Trisha asks, “Simon- you probably heard that the Anonymous group posted the pepper-spraying policeman’s personal contact information on their website. What do you think of that approach?”
Hey, you know what they tell criminals– if you do the crime, you do the time. In this case, if you spray a peaceful crowd with a ‘less-than-lethal’ lachrymatory agent at point blank range, you get publicly shamed.
Police generally go unpunished for such actions. Whenever a cop is caught on tape tormenting peaceful protestors, the politicians and administrative officials always say that they’ll conduct a ‘full investigation’.
And then nothing happens. Months go by and the incident is forgotten. This is the unwritten rule between police thugs and the state– you protect my interests, and I’ll let you get away with brutalizing citizens to your heart’s content.
Assault is assault. We go to jail. They go on paid administrative leave. It’s a broken system, and Anonymous simply circumvented it. Outing the guy online to billions of people isn’t exactly Hammurabi’s code, but it’s a good start.
Next, Doug asks, “Simon, what’s the downside to obtaining a second citizenship? Obviously there’s some cost and time involved, but what else should I be concerned about?”
The advantages of having a second passport are extraordinary– more freedom, more opportunity, more options; most of all, it’s a great insurance policy against sovereign calamity.
Most North Americans and Western Europeans are blind to these advantages. They don’t understand why they’d ever need another passport because they already live in the pinnacle of civilization… or so they think.
Russians, Chinese, Argentines… these sorts of folks have personally experienced the ramrod fist of government. And they’re not taking chances.
Slowly, the developed West will begin to understand that their home government is their greatest threat. Unfortunately most of the second passport opportunities will be closed by then.
To address ‘disadvantages’, there may be some depending on the country. For example, if you obtain US citizenship as your second passport, you’re signing up for taxation on your worldwide income. Congratulations.
If you obtain Israeli citizenship, you (and/or your kids) may be obligated to military service. If you obtain Dutch citizenship, you may have to renounce your other one.
Taxes, conscription, and dual nationality limitations are generally the three big categories to watch out for, though most issues can be sidestepped with some planning.
Last, Neil asks, “Hello Simon, since you travel everywhere, I thought you could help me with this question: where in Latin America has the most potential to support an upscale (U.S. quality) veterinary hospital / dog kennel? I’d like to start such a business abroad.”
Candidly, the best market right now for upscale pet care is in Asia, specifically mainland China and Taiwan. I was just recently in both Shanghai and Taipei, and the streets are lined with luxury stores selling high priced pet accessories, poodle perms, and gourmet doggy biscuits.
The level to which the Chinese and Taiwanese are spoiling their pets is mind-boggling… so there’s serious opportunity there.
If Latin America is where you’d like to end up, though, I’d focus on Panama, Brazil, and Chile. The pet culture is not as extreme in these countries, however the growing middle class and disposable income levels certainly warrant higher quality services.
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Yea this Simon black guy blows. Does he even run money or does he just write bullshit? Good luck with the south Americans, they never go full commie or anything ...
Supposedly the best place in SA is Uruguay
Dude, that's our little secret! Don't say another word about Uruguay to anyone.
There's been a lot of talk about the benefits of living in Chile lately, along with the revelation that David Rockefeller lives there and is buying up swaths of land down there.
In the unfortunate case of a global conflict in the Northern Hemisphere, I guess Chile would be one of the safest semi-developed countries to reside in, down South. I would include Australia in that list as well, but Obama just painted a big target on it by expanding US bases there.
one thing is for sure. the chicks are smokin hot and the blow is high quality...........
sorry to say, chile is not where to go for hot chicks in latin america. The gringo card can be played pretty well there tho IME. Sort of an "odds are good, but goods are odd" situation.
You seem to be describing more colombia. tho I never priced coke in chile, $5 a gram in colombia was a tweakers wet dream. Proximity to bolivia probably keeps prices around that I'm sure. Quality varies greatly as the best tends to fetch higher prices in the usa.
and I lived as a 21 year old excgange student through the "riots" and "hyperinflation" of argentina in 2002. It sucks if you are you prepared and creates some terrible situations and a lot changes, but it's not mad max. I was in a nice area but that also meant two blocks down they would have cacerolasos in front of the ex presidents place. anyways where was I? Oh yeah, hot girls are in argentina (good luck) brazil and colombia (these two are a traveling lothario's dream). Chile, well I would put it on the low side of mediocre. Great, people tho, and really like santiago minus the smog and chubby chicks trying to rape me in pio nono
Chilean women are ok but if you want women who will literally worship your gringo cock, it's Colombia. I tell my peeps they could have a Sofia Vergara lookalike if they just had the balls to go down there but none ever do. American men get what they deserve.
Good luck in getting an australian passport you pea brained freak
unless you're a future white women harassing afghani male who sails across from indonesia in a leaky boat, and sez he's a refugee.
Or unless you're an employed college degreed professional. I should know, I just got one.
Well done bongman
It's the place to b, until it gets ruined.
At 96, probably the only thing Rockefeller is loading up on is Depends.
Oh yeah, the cops in Chile are really peaceful. I've seen recent footage from student & indigenous protests that says otherwise.
they're peaceful to gringos with money and a respect for "authority."
The United States is still the best place in the world for rich people to live. States with no personal income tax (FL, NV, NH) even better..
Real Estate is dirt cheap, the lowest prices for consumer goods (electronics/cars/gas), and its not just a one trick pony when it comes to metropolitan centers.
In Brazil a 3 series BMW cost over USD$100K, the cheapest Ipad is about 1k usd, and the cost of living in places like Rio is more expensive than Manhattan.. Unless your a partner at one of the few hedge funds/ dont expect to earn a decent wage either. A "40k job" in the US pays about 10K USD in Brazil and like i said everything is more expensive.
Monaco is the best place for rich people (if they're not French) to live.
I have the permenent residency is a foreign country.
I like it. However, I'm married to one of the tribe.
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Personally, I'd rather live where I know people, have an idea who is trustworthy, speak the language, and the uber government has a good chance of collapse. Lots better than starting over elsewhere without any of those advantages. Few governments will survive the coming years of troubles, when they are gone, the surviving ex citizens will wonder why they put up with them so long. The last place I want to be is where government is likely to survive in its current form.
IDK about this. If it's WWWIII, then I'd want to get out of this country.
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Unless, things change, I never needed (1) passport to move from
state to state, and have no desire to leave the u.s.a.
Traveling abroad, is for you sophisticated folk...
I have the internet!!
Get 2 passports and get a socialist ass raping in 2 countries!
Been their......
I also have an Aussie passport but that place became a police state years ago
Also? British darling, British, but I would like to come and visit Aus and Canada, (respondent below), we could all gather by a pool and whine about socialist scum ruining our lives,and we would never tell a lie.
And if I need a Scot's passport I would qualify, nice bit of kit if you can get one, where shall I go for my ass rape trounsing by parasites?
Chile?
You mean, since Gillard? Australia is such a lovely country but there is always such a mean-spiritidness about their politicians? I was going to say dishonesty, but that, of course is part of the definition of politicians everywhere? I guess the Aussies don't care so long as there is more cold beer and prawns to throw on the "barbie? Which may, in fact, explain a lot?
If Gillard is such a dedicated Nationalist and Aetheist, why would she bother wasting Australia's money by travelling to London to attend the Royal Wedding in a Church/Cathedral? Something which, on all counts, she presumably abhors? I suppose, what can be expected from the offspring of a Welsh Union Official? These were one of the UK's largest exports to Australia when the UK was getting rid of these fucking stupid assholes?
On the other hand, I can understand why she is still single. She's such a miserable, ugly cunt that nobody would want to marry her?
dual US/Canadian citizen/passport holder holla
holla, serious squalla
Bob Chapman: European Power Play as Panic Sets Inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBEjIqu8HHk&feature=feedu
Stolen funds at MF Global now up to $3 billion ?
Aye, fight and you may die, run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willing to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!
Nice Braveheart quote.
I'm with you, stay and fight for a better USA. Hopefully we can get the Illuminati Oligarchy out of power and prevent WWIII. Got to keep fighting, even now. Hope doesn't die until we all give up.
Right on brother! Fight the tribe!
The tribe members all have 2 passports. One for the host country and the other for their beloved israel.
You mean the Luciferian Illuminati tribe right?
Nice quote from a filum, hacking people up is problematic, it is not as easy as it looks, killing.
Start with a fly, work your way up to Spider, Lizard, Chicken,Cat,Dog,Cow ,Horse, Democrat, Human.
See if you reach any barriers within yourself.
This is not a movie and it is also the reason why the USA is not in a full blown revolution right now, if that barrier of conscience fails, watch out.
we need some more of that. We should not just scatter like mice. Just my opinion. I mean I am outta here. But thats different.
If you have a net worth of > $2M and flee the US, even if you denounce your US citizenship, the US Treasury still wants you to pay tax on your WW income.
Hopefully you don't have family here!
You have to file one last tax return then you're done! This why it's best before you renounce to close all business here, be in cash only and buy property in the name of a new business you set up in your new country! IRS can only Tax you on what you still have here at the time you file for renunciation!!!
BE INFORMED!!!
That's for your last return, but there is an obscure law which requires that you pay tax on your WW income for the ensuing 10 years after renouncing citizenship if your NW is more than $2M. Not a big deal, unless you want to come back and not sweat bullets each time you're here.
Passports...meh. Another relatively recent statist invention, like fiat currency, perpetual war, and the other variants of a kleptocracy...it shall suffer a similar fate
From Keynes (1919), The Economic Consequences of the Peace, "The inhabitant of London could order by telephone, sipping his morning tea in bed, the various products of the whole earth -- he could at the same time and by the same means adventure his wealth in the natural resources and new enterprise of any quarter of the world -- he could secure forthwith, if he wished, cheap and comfortable means of transit to any country or climate without passport or other formality."
The main reason to move to Chile would be the women. They love (older) foreign guys and don't have the "I don't need no man" domineering control complex so prevalent in North American women. That, and most of them are smokin' hot. While it is a nice country generally, Chile is pricey by Latin American standards, gets cold in the winter, and crime and poverty are still a factor.
Like the Russian girls and China girls...
Hey Tyler get some ads up for Chilean girls...
Here's the proof, this guys says so, they love sucking old rich man cock, they dont want no 2 passports. No siree!
you forgot to mention how big they are
Simon, you suck Bubba, big time!
Notice the article title is Second Passport. But the question that was really asked was second citizenship. Bait and switch.
Hard to get a another passport without getting another citizenship, chum.
Ok i'm hopeful.....
Asia is starting to give their poodles perms instead of eating them. Things are looking up!
best location to open a dog grooming salon is in Vietnam.
Simon Black told me.
(Stupid question)? Which countries will easily grant US citizens another passport ?
California, but you have to learn Spanish.
you can obtain as many passports as you wish, but forget about being let out of the USA if you've ever:
operated a lemonade stand
outstanding student debt
didn't vote for oBLAHma
didn't get your gardisal shot
commented on ZH
etc. etc. etc.......
This post is complete horseshit. Imagine for a moment what the effects will be if the US takes a shit; it will be worse everywhere else. Incidentally, the limits to gun ownership are pretty draconian in Chile, and Australia. If the shit hits it, you're going to want to be armed. Also, as an expat, you are at a distinct disadvantage outside of your home country, and won't be likely to fully grasp the local paradigm, or will ever be truly accepted, especially if shit gets bad. I.e leaving the country now could put you at a distinct disadvantage unless you have vast financial resources, by which gives you a financial advantage.
Also, one needs to think about the practical reality of the situation. The usa can't even keep illegals out, at a time when federal departments can get all the cash they want(DHS, CBP) What the hell gives you the idea that an American, after the government goes completely broke, and can't afford to put gas in state patrol cars (Illinois), that they are going to be able to prevent everyone but a fool from escaping a country with thousands of miles of unmolested border???? Assuming there's anywhere better to go:-and that's a HUGE assumption.
Also, despite all of our problems, we have a substantially large, and heavily armed, military and battle experienced movement with a reasonable amount of power and political influence, and that took an oath to the constitution, and meant it. Do you really fucking think we'll go quietly into that goodnight allowing a modern day hitler to take control of the USA? Fuck off!!! You must be a goddamn fool. It would be civil war, and the advantage is with the good guys. Don't count us out yet, in fact, we'll probably still be, despite all our problems, the best place to be. I've spent time in S.A. and it's not as rosy as Simon makes it out to be.
There's still lots of ways yet, within the system, we can pull this out with moderate damage.. Ron Paul 2012 all!!! There's nothing close to him in chile. I can assure you of that.
civil war wouldn't be good for maintaining all those running nuclear reactors that will have to be cooled. for 10s of thousands of years, at least.
You're a naive fool. The modern day hitlers have already taken over the USSA. Just because they have a slightly different style and different tools changes nothing. Just wait another year or two and you and everyone except overt authoritarian lovers will agree (except people too braindead to notice anything).
But yes, if Ron Paul can get elected, there is still a fighting chance. If not, forget about it, because the predators-that-be and predator-class can completely and permanently enslave the USSA and eventually the world with modern technologies. If they aren't defeated, planet earth will soon become a permanent slave planet... for the 5% or 10% of the population the predators allow to live as their slaves.
I don't think it matters anymore if RP gets elected. The enslavers have made their calculations correctly. Just like emperor Augustus got into power by taking on an enourmous debt for his army, the lenders had made the calculation the emperor would prevail and enslave and pay back with interest. Looking at the debt of the western world, the lenders will have made their calculations and as usual they will have been right, as they were in the past, that is why they were lenders in the first place.
I hope you're wrong about that, but maybe not.
YES!! Particularly if this happens in Obama Land...
2017 — The Worst Case Scenario
Since i work in the industry in Canada, all i can say is in the past year alot of U.S. citezens living in Canada are getting bitch slapped for taxes owed.
concerning the book "Endgame," to save everyone money and time, can someone just post the last page of the book?
We're doomed. The End.
If the West (Europe, North America) go? where are you going go? The whole world is going to hell in a handbasket and no matter were you go there will be bloodshed. The grass never is greener somewhere else.
Personally I would dual citizenship Belize as my back up country.
Doesn’t recognizes U.S. judgment, speaks English (Use to e British colony), laid back –easy going culture, with many self sufficient towns, best orange juice, exotic animals and exotic women!
I've been to belize, translation: Doesn't recognizes U.S. judgment: People steal cars in USA and sell them there.
Speaks English: Yes.
laid back / easy going: The locals don't want to work at all, everybody drags ass and the only people I saw working hard the entire time were a family of white brits homesteading. The only thing I found "made in belize" were some box matches that were made in a barn, one out of five worked.
Self Sufficeint towns: No electricity, no imported food [no money to pay] eating tomatoes grown from the seeds they shit out.
Exotic animals: crabs and jaguars, fish, misc jungle animals.
Exotic women: Dark dark black african women and some mayans [short with giant rib cages built like a tree stump]
<<short with giant rib cages built like a tree stump>>
Sturdy, very sturdy. They sound like the women in Sarejevo. In Sarejevo they did all the work.
Awwww, Moe, but it sounded good on Prikipedia!
If you are a former Filipino citizen, you can reclaim your citizenship.
Watch out though, the Philippines also has this income tax over your worldwide income and it will surely have a lower threshold.
(Yea, lots of US rules have been copied wholesale by this former colony.) English is more widely spoken than in Latin America
Simon probably speaks Spanish, but for those who don't the Philippines is a good option for a second residence. Great place to have a boat! Or to build one.
Plug for a ZH-ers colony oops ;-)
Years ago I was driving through the south and passed a field where horses were standing in deep green grass but leaning over the fence to munch on the dry brown herbicided grass roadside. And it occurred to me - the cliches we all know are the result of people noticing the true nature of things. The grass really is always greener on the other side of the fence. Think carefully, my friends. ( And BTW I write books for those who actually do think and even then decide they want to check out life in other countries - www.culturaldimensions.net - so I have absolutely no quarrel with people wanting to change where they live, but hope that they do it rationally and without illusions.)
Simon Black is simply talking his book. Do your own thinking. Nobody has your best interests at heart over their own.
If the US ever goes Weimar, the poor will revolt and FORCE the rich to carry 40lb gold chains and two suitcases full of fiat around with them at all times. Things are NOT always what they seem and America is still the greatest country on Earth.
Great countries do not elect muslims to destroy them. Thank idiots who watch TV for enabling the elites and oligarchs controlling America. If you watch TV then you enpower them. Good job.
You sir are acertified nutjob.
In all 57 States:) Just thought I'd mention.....
3000% reduction in muslims
you seem to spend a lot of time thinking about Muslim men
you seem quick to notice
This post has so much misinformation that I cannot understand why ZH sees any value in it.
American police have been shooting civilians since the early 19th century. As I see it pepper spray is an improvement in human rights there. No one is seriously going to move to another country because the police pepper spray “protestors.”
As for Chile, I don’t think they want a lot of bitching American Armageddon types moving there demanding Chileans change everything and learn English. And Black’s description of Chile as some kind of utopia is misleading.
First of all, you will only clear customs and the airport in 20 minutes if yours is the only airplane arriving in the entire terminal, you have no checked baggage and you are very, very lucky. Expect 45 minutes to one hour minimum to get through all the snaking lines, find what carrousel they have really put your bags on, and all that.
You can always judge a country’s level of development by how it handles taxis at the airport. Take Singapore:You go to a queue if you want a taxi. It’s quiet, calm and efficient. In Santiago you get a scrum of shouting taxi mafia that rivals what you find in India or Thailand.
As a foreigner you will find it very, very, very difficult to open a pet grooming business in China and you will certainly fail on account of language and unfamiliarity with local customs if you do. This is the time to SELL pet grooming businesses in Asia, not open more.
But, again, why would someone move to “free and open” China to invest in a dog grooming business just because protestors get pepper sprayed in the USA; the question is too ridiculous to ask.
Yes, Chile has a growing middle class, but from a very small base. Chile has the most extreme and unequal wealth distribution of any South American county. Chile needs more veterinarians, not pet groomers. That guy would be stupid to listen to you and invest in pet grooming in Asia when he can invest in a vet hospital in South America. Even in Chile this Simon guy can’t get it right even though he says that is where he is based.
But the biggest misinformation in this post concerns taxes. If you are a Chilean permanent resident for more than three years you are legally required to report and pay tax on your world-wide income, even if you don’t reside in the country, just like in the USA - except there is no exclusion for the first X dollars of income like there is with usa expats, just a social security equalization. So, in this regard Chile is less favorable place to be than for a USA expat. Why this Simon Black guy never mentions this makes it look like he just talks up his Chile book and I wonder why anyone trusts him.
Overall, I get the feeling he is just trying to drum up business for his “global consultancy” on ZH. Why "Skyler" posts him is a mystery to me; maybe he gets a royalty? Maybe he IS Simon? Who knows? But I know one thing: if you want to move to Chile it should be because you love the country and want to contribute to its future in a meaningful way, not because you are looking for a good place to open a pet grooming business if they can learn to speak your English, or because of a little pepper spray back home. The carabinero in Chile have armored vehicles that shoot massive plumes of pepper spray that they make the dumb cop in Davis look like a boy scout.
I do enjoy the way you think and the polite and civil manner in which you share your hard-earned wisdom, especially the restrained sprinkling of sarcasm.
Pet grooming shops, indeed! Our Simon gets more stamps in his (multiple) passports than Robert Vesco on the lam, yet the best insight he can give us after earning all those bazillions of Bonus Miles is...a Pet Grooming Shop. Eyes wide shut.
laosuwan, +1 for you.
I've seen few other crappy "guest articles" or "interviews" popping around in otherwise worthy blogs. Come to Argentina, Chile... Live the good life... Whatever. Those stink badly. I wish I knew what's the agenda behind them and why ZH and the likes are giving them a voice.
Like the article by Simon Black, your message is a mixture of correct information and nonsense. I've looked around a lot, and found nowhere more to my liking to relocate than Chile. Chile has a LOT going for it. However, I always point out that many if not most of what I love about Chile is either "uninteresting" or strongly negative to many others. If you love cities, forget Chile. If you love a huge variety of boonies, with all sorts of different geologies, climates and stunning views of southern night skies, Chile is a freaking wonderland.
If you want people to bow down and pretend you're "special" for being an american or westerner or asian --- forget about it. When I first visited Chile I saw very few people who looked like "foreigners" (non-Chilean). However, nobody gave me (clearly western with blue-eyes) and my traveling partner (clearly Chinese) a second look or a second thought. Nobody paid any attention at all. At first we didn't understand why that was so, but after a few weeks it became clear that the people there simply consider each individual to be an individual, regardless of surface qualities. Once we understood what was happening, we realized how extremely refreshing and natural that felt. Even when we struggled to communicate (we only knew a few dozen spanish words), they simply "dealt with it the best they could", but it clearly didn't mean anything of any significance to them. It was like "if it rains, pull out an umbrella... if someone doesn't speak spanish, try to help or shrug and walk away if you can't".
For anyone looking for business opportunity, Chile is fantastic. They have an incredible shortage of "convenience stores" in obvious places... at least away from the cities where we spend 100% of our time (after landing and driving away).
Chile is not a utopia... unless you're looking for a place to work and enjoy. If you want to lie around on the beach and receive welfare, unemployment and food stamps... find another country. Nowhere on earth is utopia in the sense that most gringos imagine the meaning of the term today. And yes, the airport does have quite a few hustlers, and they will notice whether you look like you have money or not. And petty theft in Santiago and other cities is a modest problem (as if cities in the USSA don't have similar problems). The advice that Chile is a better place for "basic services" (veterenarian versus groomer) seems correct to me. I don't see many signs that pets are highly important to their owners.
Another silly comment - that people are crazy to leave the USSA just because the USSA has become a police state (cops feel free to militarize and practice chemical warfare on peaceful people). Are you serious? You are just like the Jews in Germany who didn't get their butts outta dodge before it was too late. You are one sicko apologist for the predators-that-be and police-state thugs.
Here is probably the most important warning that nobody seems to give. Where feels comfortable or interesting or exciting to you will not be the same as 90% of other gringos. And that's a fact. Sadly, because most americans are completely braindead at this point, they are better off being overt slaves in the USSA than moving elsewhere. However, if your eyes are open, you are tolerant of minor and not fundamentally important differences in other cultures, do your own research and take a long vacation. Better do so rather soon, however, because 2012 appears to be the end of the line, and borders are starting to close (in the USSA and elsewhere).
Finally, if you decide to move elsewhere, especially a place like Chile, you better have the attitude of "an explorer". Whether you are traveling the extreme boonies of Chile (where you might see nobody for days), or traveling through towns and farmlands (where you see people all the time), YOU must enjoy being in control of your actions, and finding your own ways to satisfy your needs. Nobody else is going to "take care of you". Personally, I vastly prefer being ignored and "left alone", which is why Chile is an excellent match for me. But where-ever you go, you are not on vacation with 5-star hotel staff taking care of your every whim (at $500 per day expense). You are on your freaking own. Which is perfect for me, but scary as hell for probably 80% of the population.
Great post. You got me thinking about the Jews in Germany analogy. After the fact, it's easy to say, "What idiots, the ones that stayed on and didn't see the writing on the wall." However, put yourself in their shoes as Hitler was coming to power. They were used to Germany being a democracy and an enlightened European country. It had been that way for most if not all of their lives. They must have thought that this Hitler stuff was just an aberration that would quickly pass. It would have been a tall order for them to sell their property, leave their friends and relatives (who themselves undoubtedly thought the Hitler nonsense would pass) and leave for parts unknown where they didn't even speak the language.
It's like people who enjoy watching films about the mafia or about sociopaths who kill, but could never accept the idea that such a person could be their own family member or a friendly neighbor. It just seems too far-fetched. Even when there is one signal after another that such and such a person is dangerous, it is almost impossible to realize that. There is this huge disconnect between the suspension of disbelief in watching a movie and real life.
For me, there is the suddent realization that this article may no longer be on the first page, so that this post is a complete waste of time (perhaps it already is in terms of content).
You are just like the Jews in Germany who didn't get their butts outta dodge before it was too late. You are one sicko apologist for the predators-that-be and police-state thugs.
Funny, I don't feel the least bit sick. And where is the nonsense part in my post? I am not apologizing for anything. Just saying a little pepper spray is one man's police state and another man's common sense. Moving away or staying in face of some perceived adversity is a personal decision; it is not inherently smart or stupid.
The jews in Germany were a racial minority. You are proposing that the entire population of usa should emigrate; that is ridiculous. I suppose that according to your logic Native Americans in usa should have simply moved away, too.
It sounds like you love Chile and moved there for all your right reasons. But let's see how you like Chile when the Mapuche start guerilla war, Argentina border crisis flares up again, Peru and Bolivia make a move on the north, the oil and snow pack runs out, the nut job leftist anarchists and the psuedo communists destroy what is left of job creation, the price of copper drops in world markets, a new leftist government comes to power and implements socialist redistribution of property, LAN raises its ticket prices, the unions shut down the Metro for a month, the right rises up again in response and then, just when you decide maybe back home in the police state looks not so bad afterall, an economy class ticket back to LAX costs 6,000 dollars.
So you equate "protest", which is the first and most fundamental ammendment to the constitution, can legitimately be responded to with chemical warfare? And you think that is not sicko? While every right and protection is important in some ways, the first ammendment right to protest is necessary to undo egregious, often society wide atrocities. Eliminate that, and you assure tyranny. But from your point of view, objecting to or changing the status-quo must automatically constitute "sicko", no matter how harmful, irrational, destructive and outrageous the status-quo happens to be.
To say it is "common sense" to practice chemical warfare against peaceful protestors is sicko, whether you recognize it or not. From a personal point of view, someone who stands up to authoritarians in a way that gets them harmed or killed can certainly be considered "not inherently smart" or even "stupid"... by sickos who accepts endless, permanent abuse. However, they are also in fact brave heroes and martyrs for every honest, ethical individual on the planet, because they know the response to their suffering and/or dead will bring further force against the practices they protest against.
If you bothered to read my posts, you'll find that I clearly said 80% of the population of the USSA is utterly and completely unsuited for emigration. Of the other 20%, only a modest fraction are better off leaving. What is most important is that the very best individuals leave, and almost all of the very best are in that 20%. It is important for the very best to survive and advance if there is to be any hope whatsoever for the species (not that I care about "the species", but some people do, and I do very much care that honest, ethical, creative, productive people survive and prosper).
I should also say that the appropriate solution to the destruction of america is not "to emigrate". The appropriate solution is to take up arms and exterminate ALL human predators... which would essentially be the second revolutionary war. However, unless something changes dramatically, the population of the USSA has been turned into a bunch of sniveling wimps to the point that even the most dedicated to liberty refuse to take substantial actions, especially ones that might lead to harm. So the appropriate solution is not happening, and appears unlikely to happen. Which only leaves plan B for good folks, namely "get outta dodge".
I cannot say what the "right move" was for the american indians. They certainly got a raw freaking deal, like every native population overrun by the evil empire of that day. It is easy to see they didn't have an accurate enough perspective on their enemy, and upon the capabilities and intellectual weaknesses of their enemy. This is why a smaller number of colonists were able to kick butt, but the indians could not... mostly the matter of understanding their enemy.
As for Chile (and every location), the appropriate place for people to relocate is very personal. I can easily imagine Cuba (or dangerous hell-holes in Africa) being near perfect for some people, while being horrific for people like me (not that I have sufficient information to be certain). Given what has happened in america => USA => USSA, I assume everyone knows that no location on earth is sure to be safe, secure and "ideal" forever.
My solution is different than almost everyone else. If you read my other posts, I explained how I personally dealt with these problems and uncertainties --- I purchased a small, inexpensive but very high-tech aircraft, fitted it with accessory fuel-tanks to make it capable of flying nearly 3000 miles non-stop without re-fueling. So now I can wander around within, into and out of the USSA... or any country... at any time... without TSA molestation, without my property being checked or stolen, and without permission from so-called authorities. This was not cheap (a bit over $100K), but very much worth it. The ability to wander great distances at low cost (50 miles per gallon) inside countries and between island groups in the pacific, and takeoff and land in only 100 yards stretches of boonies roads or desert floors or mountaintops or open fields is incredibly liberating (even joyful at times), very convenient and keeps my options eternally flexible. This expense is already starting pay off with all sorts of [mostly unexpected] opportunities wherever I go, and eventually will pay for itself many times over.
By the way, though "just about anything is possible", the scenarios you describe for Chile seem incredibly unlikely... at least as far as I'm able to figure given my limited experience there.
And Venezuela has all the gold, thanks to Chavez foresight in relocating their gold back home.....
I really can't stand Simon Black's posts. They're pretentious and worthless.
I think he writes for a newsletter like Agora or one of their sister companies.
Why do you read them?
Yes, any new passports are red flags and can prevent one from obtaining a security clearance and thus employment in a number of government sectors. Dual citizenship from parents or by birth and living in the USA for most of your life is one thing, suddenly getting dual citizenship for another country recently will raise red flags for TPTB. If one has any prospects of government work in their future they should think twice before getting dual citizenship.
Nick
Solution: Don't work for government! Stop supporting them! Let the beast die.
Having said that, getting a bunch of passports ala SimonBlack is probably not wise. Perhaps 20 or 30 years ago it was, but not now. Virtually ALL governments are being infected by NWO thugs and NWO approaches. Voluntarily giving any government information about you is very bad, because it gives them the hooks they need to understand you, follow you, control you and steal from you.
Also, remember that Simon Black is probably still a government stooge. He brags he was/is part of "military intelligence" (and possibly CIA). Quite possibly the identity of everyone who signs up for his website or publications is forwarded to some department of the government of the USSA to put on their "individualist watch list".
One thing he is right about. Chile is a great place. Still a tad (but not too bad) of a culture shock for some, but the differrences that were "culture shock" for other gringos were interesting and wonderful to me. But don't go there unless you're a serious anarchist, libertarian or individualist... because we don't want you messing things up.
I'm going to LA in a few weeks to apply for my Chilean citizenship. Apparantly, since my mother and grandmother are both natural born citizens of Chile, even though i was born in the U.S., I can obtain my citizenship by filing a few forms and paying a small fee at the Chilean Consulate! They said once the forms have been filed, it only takes around 6 months or so to obtain my citizenship. Needless to say when i found out about this i was ECSTATIC!!
I remember going to my families farms' in Santiago, out in the countryside when i was around 5 years old with my brother, sister and mom. Loved scaring the chickens out of the hen house, and if you would have told me that i was going to possibly live there in 24 years i would have rolled my eyes and laughed. I used to think, WOW, i am so lucky to have been born in the U.S. I was envyed by all my cousins and their friends. Now im sure they're telling themselves, ' what the hell were we thinking?'
I can't beleive it has come to this point. Im also a veteran who served my country proudly until i "Awakened" many years later, only to discover that i aided in the murder of innocent people in foriegn lands for the profits of disgusting, greedy old man that have never seen a schoolyard fight up close let alone WAR and what it does to ALL parties involved. I personally feel like there isn't anything left to fight for here in America. Everything is so corrupt that there is NOTHING worth fighting for. The system needs to reset before this can get ANY better. And i will be NO WHERE near this country if/when it goes down.
Very sad post especially considering your served in the military, but you are right on the mark. Get the Chilean citizenship because at least you will have an option.
You don't have to move away, you just have to withdraw your consent and teach others what you know. If enough people would stop joining the machine, the machine would die. Not that I expect that to happen, but I do think we are at "peak statism" right now, or now maybe just past peak, so there's that.
The only second passport I can get is to buy one. Dominicana is the best deal and it is still $100,000 plus. Most US citizens are like me with few options. You are fortunate and wise to get a Chiliean passport. And very fortunate to be "Awakened".
I've seen DR passports arranged for much less than that.
ahh, stay here, you're going to miss all the fun!
I have a Swiss passport! So0oO0oOo0 Lucky! Don't -1 out of jealously please.
Zippo practical info on exactly where an American can get a second passport. With all the hype in the title, the author should at least mention a few places where it can be possible for those who desire such a straddle.
It's not gonna apply to many but ur only chance is if you have a foreign relative or you worked somewhere for a few years.
Eg Irish granma? Otherwise money is the key. Most places will waive wait periods for cold hard cash.
Stand and fight I say.
There was a post here last year about obtaining second passports. Unless you have recent Irish, Italian or Jewish roots you will have to buy one. The cheapest at the moment is Domincana and can be had for just over $100,000 US dollars. I keep hoping that other countries offer something better. So like someone posted earlier, it is almost a waste of time to talk about.
I'm a 12th generation American. If there ever comes a time when I would require a 2nd passport, I'm coming out swining instead.
What is this "swining" you speak of? A new martial art perhaps?
He means swinging and it is a marital, not a martial art.
If one is going to go ex-pat, the time to do it is when times are good. If one has not already made preparations (defined as already having established roots in another land, speaking the language, passing muster amongst the locals), it is too late. If things turn ugly, outsiders are only going to be welcome to the extent that they can be exploited. Otherwise, one is just going to be in the way and likely an object of the locals' resentment.
Turn the tables. Imagine the way a local US town, faced with high UE, few opportunities, increasing crime, little optimism, etc., would "accept", for example, a rich Chinese escaping a crackdown in the PRC, who then builds a 20 room, green, red and gold mansion, with a six car garage to store his plump teen son's Lambo or Ferrari. Even if the Chinese just buys a modest little non-descript ranch home with three bedrooms and is a model citizen, he will be viewed as the former.
Such is how an ex-pat American will be viewed if he moves to a new land. If one isn't going to be continually spotting for everybody's lunch, one is going to be everybody's lunch.
Passing muster. Lol.
That really is you in the avatar, ready to have some tiffin.
Very good point though , everything to those who plan ahead.
What also has to be remembered is that the USA has lost many friends in the world since bush's wars.
Americans would be looked on with mistrust in many countries now
Well, Simon get the crap bashed out of him for this Self-promotion style post
BUT
it has generated one of the best discussions of the week on good ol' ZH - some real decent information as well as lovely flame wars on the side - love this blog!
And as an (old) vet, I gotta stay and fight it out here, if it comes to that. Never done South America, or anywhere south of Mexico, but been around a bunch of western Europe, England, a little Canada, India, Thailand, and VietNam - Switzerland is beautiful and organized and a bit anal retentive, but I could live there - but nothin' beats my forested woods I live in now.
I'm home.
And I'm stayin' raht here.
I think you got it right.
Let me throw in a couple semi-related comments into the thread. The best ways to prepare for the USSA and other "jurisdictions" to spiral down the totalitarian toilet are probably ones that few people have identified or discussed. Here are a few ideas I considered and some of which I have implemented or am currently implementing.
It is still possible to ship gold, platinum and other metals out of the USSA via FederalExpress and other services. You can even tell them what is in the box and they'll ship it... though it is always wise on general principles to ship separate packages each with a value below $10,000. However, this may change in the next year, hence some of the following alternatives.
If you are like me, you are not willing to volunteer to be molested and irradiated by predators and thugs. And therefore you are not willing to fly commercial airlines and submit to TSA abuse. If you are rich, you can fly private flights (interstate or even international) where they don't even bother to check your identity or bags. Of course the predators may change the laws that permit this too, eventually, so this option may eventually vanish (though the corporate executives who control congress may well make sure this travel loophole remains so they need not be molested and searched).
So, how can "regular folks" (like almost everyone) deal with day-to-day travel hassles? And how can people make sure they are able to escape ("leave") the USSA when the borders are closed, when egregious restrictions begin, when people want to leave and get their valuables "outta here", or when people get put on a "no fly list" (which already contains nearly 1% of the entire population)?
The answer is... spread your own wings and fly. One very viable solution to these and many other problems for people in the USSA is to buy your own airplane and prepare to fly yourself within the country, and when necessary, to other countries. As it turns out, this option has never been more practical, via new FAA rules that created a new category of pilot and aircraft called "light sport aircraft" or LSA. Now it only takes 15 hours of training (5 of which is solo practice) to get a "light sport pilot license". You are pretty permitted to do the same things as a classic "private pilot" except fly at night, and land at the largest airports. That's the personal side of the equations. On the "airplane" side of the equation, a whole new category of aircraft called "3rd generation light sport aircraft" has been developed, mostly by companies in eastern europe. These are totally modern, extremely high-tech aircraft composed of the most advanced carbon-fibre and kevlar materials, and fitted with modern GPS navigation and even autopilot control systems. The best of them have won multiple NASA awards for fuel efficiency and get 50+ miles per gallon at most efficient speeds, and have cruising & top speeds of 180 & 200 miles per hour. These have been improved to the point that it is just now becoming possible to [just barely] fly one of these aircraft the 2300 miles from California to Hawaii without refueling (with extended range tanks). From Hawaii, one of these aircraft can fly ANYWHERE in the mid pacific, south pacific and asia via island hopping (the greatest distances between island-groups being a small fraction of 2300 miles). And no, when you fly into small out of the way islands, nobody asks for "identification, please". They either assume you're local, plus they just don't care (just pay for your fuel and snacks). The same is true in Hawaii or mainland USSA too. Nobody at tiny, out-of-the-way airports in Hawaii or anywhere else ever even thinks of asking for identification or papers when tiny little personal-size aircraft land and refuel. Which means Canadians, central americans, pacific islanders and asians can all pretty much travel in this manner freely and with virtually zero risk or hassle.
What does this mean? It means "regular folks" like you and me can avoid the TSA within the USSA, and we have the means to leave the USSA any time we wish. This is too tiny a loophole for the predators-that-be to worry about, but big enough for any "regular folks" to take advantage of. These gorgeous little aircraft (which carry 2 people) cost anywhere between $85,000 and $140,000. That's not cheap, but feasible for many people, and given 2 to 5 partners, feasible for just about anyone serious about protecting themselves from being molested or trapped (their person or their wealth). To review one example of an LSA aircraft like this, google "pipistrel virus sw". That's the one I settled on for myself. For anyone like me, who already got a full-bore pilot license years ago, the situation is even better, because we can [legally] fly them at night. Of course, there's nothing [legal] to stop anyone from flying at night as long as they are outside of USSA airspace before it gets dark. And with the highly accurate GPS systems these aircraft have today, they can be flown directly and exactly to any destination within their range, even over empty, featureless ocean or cloud cover.
This is just one niche that I've noticed. This allows me to live and travel inside and outside the USSA as I see fit, but know I can always get myself, my property and my friends "outta here" when crap starts spewing off the fan blades. Though I'm not planning so myself, someone with these capabilities to travel without restriction might be able to make a fortune helping others when escape becomes difficult or impossible.
Someone else I met not long ago has solved the international "escape" part of this problem in a similar (but also very different) way. They just partnered with 3 others to buy a big open-ocean capable vessel. They've loaded it up with enough fuel tanks to travel 15,000 miles before refueling, and they're now rigging it with a huge pair of parafoil-kite gizmos that can capture the (typically much higher velocity) winds at several hundred feet altitude and drag their vessel over great distances "for free". The advantage of their scheme versus mine is fairly obvious... in a vessel they can take endless quantity of stuff, while small aircraft have quite limited capabilities. They're setting it up to be as long-term self-sufficient as possible, even planting gardens on it to suppliment the fish they regularly catch.
I guess my point is to encourage people to look for unconventional solutions. That's how to be "out of sight, out of mind", and avoid the endless dangers and problems of "registering with predatory governments". Because one side-effect of signing ANY government document is that you are implicitly if not explicitly agreeing to conform to every law, act, rule, statute, regulation and whim of the predators who control and ARE that "government". Better to be free to the maximum degree possible, and NOT depend on permissions... to travel or do anything else. Most conventional approaches ala SimonBlack and others are mostly obsolete or problematic. Think for yourself! Act for yourself!
You may be a pilot but you obviously have never flown a plane across a border or have any idea about customs issues on the aircraft itself. I currently own both aircraft and a large sailing yacht and it's a huge hassle every time you take one into another country. And don't plan on staying anywhere for too long with one either but you are just as clueless as Simon about these issues.
Oh, if you think and operate in the conventional manner, you are very correct. But if you think anyone is going to ask you anything at dinky little remote landing strips with (or without) rusty old gas pumps or trucks, you sure as hell don't fly where I usually do. The thought won't even cross their mind. The fact is, 99.999% of the time people submit themselves to "officials" for molestation, inspection, taxation, etc... because they are afraid of getting into trouble, because "that's the way it is done", or because they just never bothered to consider whether alternatives exist.
Do not forget, I am talking about tiny, carbon-fiber composite aircraft that weigh 600 pounds. You are probably talking about larger and heavier aircraft, and possibly ones that can't take conventional [unleaded, automobile] fuels. These aircraft are often mistaken for "ultralights" or "gliders". In fact, many of the aircraft I am talking about ARE [self-powered] gliders, and they ARE called ultralights in many countries (but not the USSA, where ultralights must be less than 256 pounds).
Look, if you ever fly or cruise into the international terminal at any international port (air-port or water-port), you probably better dot every I, cross every T, and have a whole stack of official papers for "the man". To compare this to landing at remote airstrips (or stretches of desert, or remote [dirt] roads or trails, or remote farmer fields, or the kinds of places I am talking about) is completely absurd. Nobody cares, nobody pays attention, and in many cases, nobody is nearby. And any random doofus who happens to see you land will see a tiny little "toy aircraft" and not imagine in his wildest dreams that you just flew in non-stop from 1000 or 2000+ miles away. And this doesn't even consider flying into pre-arranged "known territory", where you can land at 3am if you want.
These aircraft aren't just "tiny" either. The wings can be removed in 5~15 minutes, and the whole gizmo vanish into a 1-car garage or into a horse-trailer to pull behind a car. Yeah, that doesn't work very well with your 747... or your Bonanza... or even your Cessna 152. Does it? I am talking about quite different aircraft and quite different scenarios and landing sites than you describe. What you describe can indeed be quite the hassle, because you submit yourself to "authorities" when you fly/cruise into big, busy, official, bling-bling places where you may have few or no options.
You are also probably ignoring an extremely important part of the point, which is having a way to escape when the crap hits the fan. That doesn't mean you act like a smuggler on a day to day basis. To fly town-to-town or state-to-state to avoid TSA molestation or baggage inspection is 100% legal... and entirely common for people who can afford it (rich-folks, corporate executives, politicians... and now with the lower training and price barriers of LSA, even semi-regular-folks). No need to hide. No need to register. No need to ask permission. No need to even think about so-called "officials".
I've flown small airplanes into international airports many times, pulled up to the parking area for small private aircraft (without a registered flight plan), had the fuel tanks filled, and later flown away... without anyone asking me for any ID or anything else. So even in these cases, as long as you don't have odd/foreign ID on your aircraft, pretty much nobody cares or notices. Even aircraft with foreign-ID do the same thing, since they only are required to deal with customs the first time they land in another country, not on every stop at every little airstrip thereafter (where customs and "officials" don't even exist).
The fact is, we worry a LOT more when we drive somewhere in your car. I've never once seen a single cop with radar hiding behind a cloud, just waiting to bust me for going over 120 knots in an LSA aircraft, for instance. In contrast the roads are littered with jack booted thugs just looking for unsnapped seat-belts, 5 miles "over the limit", expired registration, insurance, taillight or insufficient tread on your tires, plus endless other made-up hassles.
What bullshit - where you going to run to like that when the SHTF? And I've already escaped to Thailand - a place you could never even reach in your ultralight wet dream machine.
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it?
BTW, which airstrips have you used in Thailand?
Is that 'cause most of the small strips are under water now?
Well, now you've proven it is you who don't know what you're talking about... aircraft wise. The fact is, I can reach anywhere on earth with this aircraft, though admittedly a [very] few places would require annoyingly indirect routes. To reach Thailand in particular would be a piece of cake. The only place I hang out in the USSA these days is the Hawaiian islands, and from there the entire mid-pacific and south-pacific and asia are easily reached. Check out google-earth or a map someday. The big hassle (longest leg) is getting from the USSA mainland to Hawaii, not getting from Hawaii to elsewhere in the pacific rim and asia. BTW, did you even bother to go look at these aircraft? You seem to have serious misconceptions of the facts, or you just refuse to think. One guy has already flown around the world in the precursor of the aircraft I mentioned (though he avoided the middle-of-the-pacific part AKA hawaii by flying the north portion of the pacific rim, which is too cold for my tastes).
At least you chose a reasonable place to hide... Thailand isn't a bad choice.
A LSA cannot be capable of 180 MPH in level flight.
If you want to get out of the country without traveling through airport security, you could use an automobile or a boat or even a cruise ship.
A LSA cannot be capable of 180 MPH in level flight.
Technically speaking, you are correct. However, if you read the specs of the airplane I mentioned, you'll find it most certainly can (maximum safe speed at maximum weight is 302kph, but it is wise to always stay a bit under that). Here is how this works.
The aircraft is capable of what I claim even when loaded to the maximum rated weight, and can be operated that way legally if you are a regular private pilot (which I am). If you only have the easier-cheaper-to-get "sport aircraft pilot" license, you are not permitted to fly aircraft over 138mph in level flight, you are not permitted to fly at night, and you are not permitted to fly into more highly restricted airspaces (huge airports).
So how is this dealt with in practice? People who only hold a "sport pilot license" generally order the "LSA version" of the aircraft. Many manufacturers of LSA aircraft do not have different versions because they are incapable of exceeding 138mph in level flight (at weight), and they don't have lighting necessary for night flying.
However, the highest-tech, best designed, highest performance of the LSA aircraft (like the "virus sw 100") are inherently capable of higher performance than LSA limits, have night flying accessories, highly sophisticated instrumentation with autopilots, and other advanced features. If you order the "LSA version", they add simple gizmos that limit the velocity of the aircraft to achieve LSA limits. As for accessories like "night flying lighting", that can be installed in the LSA version of the aircraft, and it is simply the pilots responsibility to avoid flying at night. This is the same approach as VFR and IFR for private pilots. It is perfectly legal for a VFR-only pilot to fly aircraft capable of IFR (instrument flight rules) operation... as long as they stay in VFR conditions.
You are correct that other ways exist to "get out of a country". As you point out, it is theoretically possible to get a car across some borders without excessive risk, but in a great many places that is not very practical, or is extremely risky. As I mentioned in my post, an open-ocean-capable vessel is a superb alternative to an airplane and has many advantages over an aircraft (cargo capacity, range, live-aboard capability). However, vessels have just as many limitations as they have advantages (almost useless for travel within a country, useless for travel to or from land-locked countries, slow and thus difficult to evade detection or fly under the radar literally or figuratively).
I looked into cruise ships, and that does seem somewhat viable still (no TSA). However, that has the same limitations as all vessels, plus you can't necessarily go "where you want" or "when you want", and when the predators-that-be decide to TSA cruise-ships, and/or prohibit them from letting people off in other countries, it is "game over" for anyone depending on this option. When the crap smacks up against the fan blades, cruise-ships will almost certainly not work.
Thanks honestann for sharing this information. For the first time in years, I'm excited about something. Always wanted to fly but never got around to it. This is a very cool option.
Glad to help. This new, simpler rating really is cool. Wish it existed when I got my private pilot license, though it really is nice to be able to fly faster, further and at night. I love flying at night, unlike most people, even though I never had GPS before, which makes night flying much more convenient and safer. My suggestion is to check out the offerings at www.pipistrel.si or www.pipistrel-usa.com. If you decide you want to buy a pipistrel, I can probably get you a small discount on the price.
Thanks. Yeah, I've already been to the Pipistrel sites, Slovenia and US. I'm in lust with the Panthera, my gawd what a beautiful machine, but the smaller planes would do just fine. My computer is downloading the FlightGear simulator as I type this, so I'm definitely at square one. Just need to get my ducks in a row before TSHTF.
Venceremos, venceremos,
con Allende en Septiembre a vencer !
Venceremos, venceremos,
la Unidad Popular al poder !
Dos burritos e dos cervesas, port favor. Gracias comrade.
I think I've heard this already, but: Sim Black is full of sh*t. I guess I could be wrong.
David Rockefeller, main architect of the New World Order (NWO), being heckled and confronted at Santiago de Chile Airport.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWzDFjBKUw
How fitting to this article, I might say.
The merchant of death has already arrived in Chile.
He is pulling a plume of ash and sulphur behind him.
Wherever he goes, death and destruction prevail.
He's a most unholy man.
Let's not forget that Rockefeller's buddy Henry Kissinger, back in the day in 1971/72 according to his own remarks, "did everything and anything to support army general Augusto Pinochet's rise to power and the forced ousting of democratically elected President Salvador Allende".
Not enough that he was plunging America into this Vietnam madness at the time already.
Not enough that police were clobbering students protesting against the Vietnam war back in the day, just like they are brutalizing students now.
It's the same people in power now, as it was back then.
Nothing has changed.
The same criminals are pulling the levers in the U.S..
So Kissinger and Rockefeller are responsible for messing up Chile from 1972-1989, just like they are responsible for messing up the United States and Vietnam and all the other places in the world.
How can it be, that so few people are allowed to cause so much harm on their fellow citizens ?
Why are we being pushed around like pawns in a chessgame by these clowns ?
We easily outnumber them, we could crush them anytime number-wise, couldn't we ?
Another nice post from you.
Nice post, but don't change history. Kissinger did not "he was plunging America into this Vietnam madness at the time already". The war had been going on for years when he assended to the throne. And "our" war was a continuation of the French war that we paid for. The details matter. You let a lot of thugs off the hook with that line.
Honestly, this is probably the worst article I have read on ZH in the past 9 months.
We all know that if you are a millionaire you can get away from everywhere and with everything. Look at all these Chinese business people who have already sent their families away (ironically to the US! *ROFL*!), in case riots break out because of inflation! I don't know if all ZH readers are extremely rich people - I doubt it. In most countries you can only immigrate if you are a highly valuable asset, a physician for example. Otherwise, find a wife or forget it! You are stuck in this mess! So how about changing something instead of complaining?
Another thing that is ridiculous is the way the author describes his "experience". The way he desrcibes it, he went out of a private jet, maybe placed some bribes (?) or whatever in order to get his great treatment.
As one other commentator suggested, this story has nothing to do with reallity. Have a look at the news and the riots that are going on in Chile.
What really worries me though, is that most people have completely given up and are not willing to change anything. This is by the way how the German Empire was able to do all the things it did. Through the silence and blind acceptance of the many!
Tyler, honestly, so far ZH has had outstanding reporting, this article looks to me like a product placement on one of the main stream channels. No offense (really!). I have no problem at all with people offering their services in their articles (for example Reggie etc.) we all need money and at least they give you enough information to see that they are worth someting and they make sense.
Again, this is just feedback, but you can do much better in your reporting than this!
By the way: Does anybody know what a Ressource Based Economy is? This is just one of many proposals for sustainable change.
sure... But the comments are where u really learn and the ZH crew has come thru again, mostly
Check anns advice on the new smuggling light planes
1. Black's advice is "Relocation for Dummies". Simple advice for his simple audience (it's only reprinted here). He probably gets most of his foreign intel from reading the labels on discount perfume bottles at his local Wal-Mart.
2. It's no more product placement than the daily "advice" that Tyler posts from the various Squid analysts. Tyler usually rips the Squid a new one, but presents Black's drivel without comment so that we commenters can have fun tearing it apart. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy!
3. Withdrawing one's custom from poor service providers is THE free market solution to poor service. This is why many of us prefer to relocate than to stand and take it up the ass, yet again, from the central planners. Why volunteer them more taxes and more filled-in forms and more genital gropings than you have already? Would you keep buying Chevy Volts even after your last 3 had blown up? ... or would you apply for a job at GM and work your way up to CEO to change the design? ... or would you just take your money somewhere else?
4. "Changing the system" is beyond any one individual ... or even any one political party ... or even one whole generation. Withdrawing customers will eventually leave the central planners with nobody to tax and grope (ask East Germany!) ... at which point we can all chip in to rent a Mayflower and sail back in for another go at it.
I don't know of a nation where one can use the classified ads to obtain a blaster. At least for the moment, anyways. Most other nations there's a loooooooooooooooong process to merely obtain the permit necessary to even get the privelege to buy one. Though a number of our states do have paperwork that rivals Canada.
Only places easier to obtain a blaster would be Somalia, and I don't feel the urge to live there.
A passport? Okay, fly away, find out your shiny metal is all gone or, better, demanded as a tax to prevent you from being hung from the next lightpole, or merely to leave, but hey, you got your passport to go to the next refugee camp.
even in shitty places you will not get the privilige to be their tax slave easily. They keep pretending their slaves are part of the lucky few, a sought after status.
Second passport? Hell, I'm having difficulty just getting my first US passport and I'm a US citizen, born and bred. After providing craploads of documentation establishing my citizenship, the Dept. of State has now demanded a crapload more. They want to know everywhere I've ever lived, every job I've ever had and every school I've ever attended. They also want the names, dates and places of birth and citizenship status of my entire immediate family. They also want 5 documents (5 years or older) with my name and photo or name and signature.
It's a giant pain in the ass.
Welcome to the police state Pal!
I think it's much easier, though definitely not cheaper, to use one of the private services that seem to have back door access to the Passport Agency.
Every year we get more like the typical banana republic (except it's too cold to grow bananas).
Simon's attitude is emblematic of what's causing the problems in this country. "I'll use your infrastructure and resources and your protection of property rights, then when I've got mine I'll take it some place where I don't have to give back." Well you know what Simon? Fuck you and everybody else who either doesn't know what side their bread is buttered on, or doesn't care.
yeah great property protection you get from those coercive, racketering thieves.
My best guess is the US will break into smaller nations anyway, there is support in western Canada for a new nation called Cascadia.
British Columbia Alberta Washington Oregon Idaho Montana.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)
Either way I'm in this part of the world and have my bugout spot, silver, gold, guns & food to last a year for when the SHTF.
Best do likewise folks!
Why the fuck would the Albertans ever want to partner with those goons in the People's Republic of Oregon? Maybe they haven't done their DD.
"British Columbia Alberta Washington Oregon Idaho Montana"
That'd be one of the greatest countries on Earth. Especially if they include Alaska. I'm a Pacific NW native, too, and it pisses me off that I need a fucking passport to travel back and forth between here and gawd-awful-beautiful British Columbia these days. This was a lot better place to live before we became a 'Homeland'. Thanks, Dubya, you fascist cocksucker.
SIGH , I have British and Canadian citizenship and a green card for the US, eligible for citizenship, any so called third world person want to trade one.
Tsk. Grass is greener on the...
South Americans, Asians, Africans all probably trying to migrate to the the US.
Maybe we all should exchange countries. Mass migration to keep us from getting bored. Mankind lives too long and boredom is a big risk.
You can best look at where people travel voluntarily, but the guns on us borders are quickly turning inwards.
5 years ago, the only one my friend and I were laughing out of the room was John Mauldin and his 'muddle-through economy'. He was confused and is late to the party
Relevant...
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=105969
Some 10,000 protesters - according to the organisers - marched through the streets of Santiago once again demanding reforms of the educational system. And again, there was a crackdown by the anti-riot police, who arrested some 60 people.
Hey!
Jason Bourne has like 7 different passports! Sounds about right.....
Those fat bundles of cash'd be mighty handy, too!
You either have to spend a ton of money or a ton of time and still considerable amount of money to get a second passport, but I agree that if the shit hits the fan, it might be a life saver. On the other hand, was it Uruguay who decided suddenly to tax their subjects over their world wide income? Then you are suddenly not so happy with that 2nd passport.