Guest Post: Backing Into World War III?

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Sean Stone

Backing into World War III?

According to the doctrine of pre-emptive war, Iran can be attacked based on its alleged desire to develop nuclear weapons, just as Iraq was attacked in 2003. In fact, Congress is currently debating whether a nuclear capability alone (which Brazil, Japan, and other countries enjoy) could justify the 'preventive' attack. I believe it is time to negate this doctrine by postulating that Iran in fact has a right, as a sovereign nation, to a nuclear capability.

Having traveled to Iran recently, I can attest to the Joint Chiefs' General Dempsey's reference to Iran as a 'rational' actor. The Iranians have no interest in destroying America, or Israel, at the expense of one of the oldest continuous civilizations in the world, dating back about 2600 years. Iran is currently surrounded by over 40 U.S. military installations, not counting Israel's still-unaccounted nuclear arsenal. To assert that Iran would jeopardize its culture for a one-shot nuclear attack is a complete miscalculation of the Iranian spirit; that spirit gave rise to a revolution in 1979 against what they perceived as Anglo-American imperialism in the form of the Shah, much as our own revolution opposed British imperialism.

I agree with General Dempsey that an attack on Iran would not only be imprudent, it would be 'destabilizing', and for more than just Iran. What is at stake is much larger than Iran's right to become a nuclear power; and based on the attitude of the political figures I spoke with in Iran, they understand this very well -- should Israel, with or without American support, attack Iran's nuclear or military infrastructure, it would be considered an act of war that may prompt World War III.

What I believe is currently being played out is an 'endgame' scenario, by failing West European and American economies, threatening to explode what has historically been referred to by British imperialists as the Heartland of Eurasia: stretching from the Horn of Africa (guarding the shipping lanes of the Gulf) to Afghanistan and Pakistan (in Russia and China's underbelly). The Russians know this 'Great Game' well, having played it with the British since at least the Crimean War of the mid-19th Century. So when Russia says it cannot accept the ongoing destruction of the Syrian government, or an attack on Iran, it is based on the understanding that such destabilization of this 'Heartland' could ignite war between Shia and Sunni Muslims across the region, even affecting the Muslim populations of southern Russia and western China.

Iran is currently accused by the West of being a rogue state involved in spreading amorphous terrorism abroad. In reality, Iran has seen the destruction of the sovereign states in Afghanistan and Iraq, on its borders; and now, the Obama Administration is calling for the downfall of Iran's ally, President Assad's secular Syrian regime. That country is quickly going the way of Lebanon in the 1980s, which could reignite sectarian violence from Lebanon to Iraq, and beyond. The chaos ensuing the overthrow of Assad will not only serve to radicalize the religious factions, as the Iraq war did after the fall of the secular Ba'ath Party, but such a strategy seems to have been predicted; retired General Wesley Clark reported in his 2003 book that the imperialist 'neo-con' faction within the U.S. Defense Department had plans for regime change in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Lebanon and Iran, dating back to before Sept. 11.

In such a meltdown of nation-states, Israel will not be safe from retaliation by Hezbollah and Hamas; unless of course, Prime Minister Netanyahu intends to use such violence to attempt an extension of Israel's borders toward the Euphrates, according to the right-wing 'Greater Israel' doctrine which desires an Israeli state from the Nile in Egypt to the Euphrates in Iraq. It would then seem the logic of this current escalation to war with Iran really has nothing to do with protecting Israel; the escalation will more likely sacrifice the Israeli people for the sake of a game of empire.

It is no wonder that Russian Prime Minister Putin has called the Anglo-American policy in the Middle East a 'cult of violence.' As Putin understands, if we do not respect national sovereignty, who are we left to cooperate with in order to stop the radical political groups we allege as our enemy? In point of little irony, most radical Al-Qaeda elements are derived from Saudi-style Wahhabism, which gave rise to the Taliban regime. Considering that Iranian Shi'ism is long-opposed to this brand of Sunni Islam, would it not make more sense for America to cooperate with Iran against Al-Qaeda and related extremist groups? In the process of such diplomatic engagement, is it not possible that we make peace with the Iranian regime through a commonality of purpose and an exchanging of ideas?

The Iranian people, like the American people, are reasonable, but proud; if they believe in a right to nuclear capabilities, it is because they feel they have the same national right as do the Israelis or Pakistanis, both of whom have already weaponized the region. And according to their Supreme Leader, Iran is not desirous of nuclear weapons, for he has said that even "the production, possession, use or threat of use of nuclear weapons are illegitimate, futile, harmful, dangerous and prohibited as a great sin." If we are thus serious about the Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed, I'd personally like to see a nuclear weapon-free zone across the Middle East, which would mean accounting for the Israeli arsenal. But if we continue on the current trajectory of giving 'unconditional support' to Israel and its illicit nuclear arsenal -- and if we continue to support the overthrow of nations who have not declared war on us -- are we not creating the conditions for Iran to eventually desire a nuclear weapon, to prevent the destruction of its national sovereignty?

If we can succeed in staving off an imperialistic war in the coming years, I foresee a future of cooperation between Iran, Israel, and America, based on a common republican spirit and tradition. But if Anglo-American imperialism chooses to continue to smash nations and disregard borders, that imperial spirit will only breed more terrorism, not less. If we create a world without sovereign states with authority of law to rule over their people, who will we have left to deal with? Countries do not always get along, but failed states never do. And should we risk war over the excuse of Iran's nuclear program, we will be looking at a region of radicalized groups of all denominations, with very little authority over them, and tremendous resentment at what they will perceive as foreign imperialists. Such a day would be much worse than seeing a nuclear Iran.

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Gully Foyle's picture

Iran War = Lost tv series

Lot's of talk to keep everyone interested week to week but a bullshit ending.


BliptoP3's picture

I agree, the U.S. should declare war on the writers of Lost - I hate those people.  Never again...

Spirit Of Truth's picture

America, and Western society, are Lost alright. Iran is just a bishop in the Kremlin's global chess game of Real Politik, and the West can hardly play checkers.


"The failure of U.S. policymakers to comprehend the veiled aggressiveness and hostility towards the United States inherent in Sino-Soviet strategy and the belief that the political and economic reforms in Russia and the partial introduction of capitalism in China have foreshadowed these countries' development into real democracies, have eroded the effectiveness of U.S. policies in the foreign affairs, defense, intelligence and counter-intelligence fields.  U.S. policymakers have recklessly accepted the premise that Russia and China are no longer enemies, but are rather potential allies and partners fully deserving of U.S. support.  Only countries like Iran, (pre-2003) Iraq and North Korea - which (ironically, in this context) work secretly with Russia and China - are still considered potential adversaries." - KGB DEFECTOR ANATOLIY GOLITSYN, THE PERESTROIKA DECEPTION, 1995, P.230

Hey....but who in the West needs the truth anyways....everyone is above that.


john39's picture

the nerve of those brown people for wanting to defend themselves...   /s

HarryM's picture

Defend themselves from whom , praytell ,  Islamic Extermists or Freedom Fighters ?

I believe conventional weapons suffice.








Harlequin001's picture

They should WANT to have our democracy...

Ahmeexnal's picture

The title should be: "BANKING Into World War III?"

Michael's picture

Couldn't we just let Israel attack Iran and watch Iran and the rest of the Muslim world wipe Israel off the map and get it over with?

BigJim's picture

You've got that backwards, Michael. Israel could easily wipe the Muslim world off the map - they've got 200 to 300 nukes, and are easily the most powerful military in the region.

Admittedly, if Pakistan decided to nuke them (and several million fellow-Muslim Palestinians in the process) it would change things a bit, but I suspect Pakestan's nukes are reserved for use on their great rival, India.

Shitters_Full's picture

Does the same apply to Israel, Harry?

Spirit Of Truth's picture

Seriously....why do you people engage in such absurd 'make believe'?

Do you really think Israel would care except for the fact that Iran is developing nukes and Tehran's leaders, with a known apocalyptic jihadist mindset, are calling for the Jewish state to be wiped off the map?

The question you really need to be asking is, what do those seeking your destruction really have up their sleeve?  After all, it's not like Iran doesn't understand that the U.S. and Iran should be able to destroy and defeat their far weaker military.  So what are the mullahs' thinking?



Consider this.

Jan. 23, 2011 - Iran announces a naval flotilla will be sent to pass through the Red Sea and Mediterranean Sea w/some warships going through the Suez Canal.

Jan. 25, 2011 - Egyptian revolution begins.

Jan. 26, 2011 - Iranian naval vessels depart for Mediterranean Sea.

Feb. 6, 2011 - Iran's naval vessels dock at Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, the first time Iranian warships are permitted at a Saudi Arabian port since '79 revolution given the poor relations between the states.

Feb. 11, 2011 - Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak overthrown on 32nd anniversary of overthrow of the Shah in Iran

Feb. 22, 2011 - Iranian naval vessels pass through Suez Canal and enter the Mediterranean Sea for the first time since the 1979 Iranian Revolution.


Here's the big question marks. 

1. How did Iran know Hosni Mubarak would be overthrown before the Egyptian revolt even began such that there'd be an opportunity for Iranian naval vessels to pass through the Suez Canal? 

"While the Mubarak regime was in power, there was little possibility of Egypt permitting an Iranian naval task force to transit the Suez Canal." 

2. Why did Saudi Arabia permit Iranian naval vessels to dock in Jeddah? The two countries are supposed to be hostile with one another. 

I can only point out the truth and be ignored for so long before there are tragic consequences from failing to heed me


The Big Ching-aso's picture



"Neoconfucius say, man have no need to heed other man with mental disease."


Xkwisetly Paneful's picture

Precisely, wanting a car that goes 250mph does not imply that the driver is entering the Indy 500.

The problem of course is letting that driver go around the track at 250mph while empty probably won't result in him showing up uninvited on race day but you never know.

Not complicated at all, the mullahs besides the obvious want a big fireworks show to gain credibility.

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

"Sanity is relative."

Relative? Not even close. In your case, sanity is a stranger that lives in the next county.


Hamsterfist's picture

I checked out your website, and it seems you are all butt hurt about being banned from GLP.  Really??  For such a NWO conspiracist dude, I see no reason why you would be participating at that website.....  Its a fraud site, and will ban you for no reason, just to collect money from you for an unban.  I'd just move over to, like all the other ex GLPers.  While I do not buy into your theories, people of your ilk make for excellent entertainment.  Carry on.

Spirit Of Truth's picture

That GLP and just about every other forum on the planet bans me, when I'm simply arguing my case without being disruptive, is a testament to the fact that the truth is literally blasphemy in the modern age.

"In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act..."

The response of people here to what should be the obvious facts I'm revealing about the West's failings and ultimate demise is no different than anywhere else....left-wing, center, right-wing, Christian, atheist, whatever.  The reaction to the truth is always the same, i.e., that it's unacceptable heresy.  People would rather dwell in their ultimately suicidal delusions than try to save themselves by facing and accepting the truth and correcting ourselves accordingly. Hence, the Grand Supercycle crash and collapse of Western Civilization is cyclically and prophetically inevitable.  I can understand this fact, but I'm going to resist it since I, and all those I love, are stuck on this worldly crazy train with all you self-destructive nutjobs for the time being.

Hamsterfist's picture

Here is my question to you though.  What do you care if people are ignorant to the truth?  The best you can do is tell it, as you see it.  If others don't agree, so what?  In the end we all die, wether in some apocalypse or just of natural causes.  Do the best you can telling others and prepare for yourself.  Arguing your point is useless.  Perhaps you spend too much time seeing your own truth and are failing to learn 'truths' from others?  

Spirit Of Truth's picture

Maybe.  I find the whole situation absurdly infuriating.  It's not like I can get anyone around me to believe what I'm pointing out and do something to prepare, so as it stands I'm just going to go down with the ship.  Quite frankly, while I may be furious at the creatures around me, I'm equally if not more outraged by the Creator who is writing what seems to be a rather sick Stephen King-like novel in which we are all just doomed characters.  Seriously....WTF?!

J1mB0b's picture

The traditional Yiddish word for "West Bank" is "Lebensraum" !


CIABS's picture

The reasonableness on display in this article will NOT be tolerated...

LawsofPhysics's picture

Spot on.  I don't know if I would say that Russia and China have always been enemies so much as they have always been great competitors and with generations of americans who all got trophies growing up because they "were all winners" and politically correct and such, America has forgotten how to compete.

The war mongering is about one thing and one thing only, the petrol dollar.  The "Corporation of the United States of America" readily sacraficed millions of it's tenants during WWI and WWII, as well as numerous other private "police actions" and black ops to maintain the ponzi and the petro dollar.  No one should be surprised, but it certainly makes you think hard about how far the central planners are willing to go.

HarryM's picture

Saddam thought Russia had his back as well

Spirit Of Truth's picture

And Muammar Gaddafi.

Some puppet states are expendable pawns.

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

"Some puppet states are expendable pawns." the US is to Israel.


Spirit Of Truth's picture

Per KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn, the Sino-Soviet split in 1961 was a strategic deception.

"All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him." - Sun Tzu, the Art of War


BigJim's picture

You seem to be relying an awful lot on Golitsyn's testimony.

What if he's full of shit? What does that do to your chain of analysis?

Phil Free's picture

What if he's not full of shit?

Xkwisetly Paneful's picture

SUper sharp point.

Did you see the invasion of Europe when the Euro was created?

I didn't either.

Worldwide commerce denominated in USD is a whopping 64% down a whole 10% in 40yrs including the creation of the euro.

DEC 2008when shit fan before they started buying their own bonds,

 US bonds traded under transaction costs, the world paid the fed to hold their money.

Otherwise brilliant razor sharp, save the petro dollar that has died more times than any Hollywood villain ever has and all the while is basically as important as ever.



battle axe's picture

For the love of god it is simple, We are broke, and can not afford any more wars. All the other talk about Iran and Israel is just mental masturbation. 

xela2200's picture

Yes, the problem is that we have a lot of guns and our neighbors got something we want.

espirit's picture

But in the "end game", if we can't have it - we want to make sure that it is inaccessible to others as well.  That way, it cannot be utilized as a strategic asset against us.

No more MENA? Oh well, move along.

Phil Free's picture

And what's wrong with mental masturbation?  As long as you wash your hands later..


J1mB0b's picture

You're a dirty, dirty boy ... go to my room !

Ponzified Plebe's picture



Your recent posts belie a typical North Atlantic paranoia and deep misunderstanding of both Russia and China. I am not here to say either state is lilly white, but they aren't nearly as bad as many in NATO fear, as they simply act in their own self interest in the face of NATO neo-imperialism and quest to rule the production and movement of global energy. Putin's Russia has made incredible movement under his reign progressing from the failure of post-Communism to a thriving market economy where the rising tide is lifting many ships, so to speak. You can't pretend that NATO agression lead by the US & UK doesn't represent a material threat to Russian and Chineese growth and influence. Influence they are achieving by strategic partnership and investment as opposed to through invasion and the threat of violence.

There's a flip side to your "Sino-Russian" conspiracy sources that you should be considering, maybe you should consider them before you lend so much support to the pan NATO financial/military industrial complex that is moving the world ever closer to WW3.

Hamsterfist's picture

But... but... they're are commies!!!  So of course they are evil, while America is great.  Or haven't you gotten the message from all these years of capitalistic, American propaganda.  


I will admit however, the Russians always seem like a sad people to me.  Why are they always so depressing?  Sheesh.  Lighten up Rooskies.  I am tired of you not being a happy people.

Spirit Of Truth's picture

Believe it or not, I'm a big fan of Bill Moyers. I understand that Western democracy has been usurped by profit-driven financial and corporate elite.  However, if you somehow think the megalomaniacal, tyrannical warmongers in Moscow and Beijing are the solution, then I think you are very gravely in error.

Phil Free's picture

They are not as sad as you may think.  VODKA.


Spirit Of Truth's picture

You are so far removed from historical reality, you might be beyond hope.  Nevertheless, I invite you to go through and view some of the video playlists at my YouTube channel.  In particularly, I suggest you watch The Soviet Story (follow that link for a version w/English subtitles). The truth is that it is easy to vilify Israel, America and NATO instead of the 'Old Enemy', and those plotting the world's conquest will exploit that psychological weakness of sheeple like yourself for all its worth.  Thus, out of cowardice, you are ultimately cooperating in your own destruction.


"War to the hilt between Communism and Capitalism is inevitable. Today, of course, we are not strong enough to attack. Our time will come in 20 or 30 years. To win, we shall need the element of surprise. The bourgeoisie will have to be put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. There will be electrifying overtures and unheard-of concessions. The capitalistic countries, stupid and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate in their own destruction. They will leap at another chance to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, we will smash them with our clenched fist." - Dimitry Z. Manulsky, Lenin School of Political Warfare


BigJim's picture

The main problem with this analysis, as I see it, is that neither Russia or China are any longer communist.

I'm sure that, given a sufficiently disproportionately powerful military like NATOs, they would use it just as evilly; but they haven't, and aren't.

Spirit Of Truth's picture


The Communist Party facade was just a great big lie to give cover to the complete opposite of a 'stateless utopia', i.e., a totalitarian dictatorship.  The dystopia of a tyranny tries to paint itself as a utopia because the "owners" in that sort of society are EVIL and seek to maintain popular control through LIES AND MURDER.

And you all think the Jews are bad?    Well....that sets the stage for the next great big ideological lie, i.e., that the 'Communists' have converted to 'Christians':

The Jews, after all, need to be held to account for the murder of Jesus? Right?

Oh pleeeeeeaaaaaassssseeeee.......

J1mB0b's picture

Reading this, I will remain forever grateful that I only have sexual fantasies !

CharlieSDT's picture

In the last several months we have seen a steady stream of warmongering going on between the United States and Iran. I know, regular Americans, you haven’t seen much yet, but I understand how busy you’ve been lately. It’s hard to keep up with the international news when it’s football season, I mean, how great was Eli Manning? Then of course there was Valentine’s Day, can’t forget to go buy your overweight girlfriend or wife some stuff to prove your continuing devotion to her. And then, of course Whitney Houston died, and even though nobody cared about her before she died, the passing of that crackhead has-been required 24-7 news coverage for a couple weeks. What a tragedy! What a voice! And then of course you had to go to your Oscar parties. Can you believe J-Lo’s nipple was showing? I mean, holy shit, her goddamn NIPPLE!


Meanwhile the rest of the world has been watching in horror as America and Iran have continued to escalate a very testy situation that looks poised to result in open hostilities, which have a chance of drawing Israel, Russia, China, and some Arab countries into the conflict. This war between Iran and the USA has already begun, and the US fired the first shot when they announced sanctions on any banks doing business with Iran’s central bank on December 31, 2011. Since then, this and other developments have caused Iran’s currency to drop precipitously in value. This is one way of waging war in 2012, by attacking a nation’s currency. But economic war is just the first stage.

mayhem_korner's picture

In the last several months we have seen a steady stream of warmongering going on between the United States and Iran.


You don't think this is been going on just in the last several months, right?

TBT or not TBT's picture

"Death to America" is a daily mantra with the regime over there SINCE 79.

kill switch's picture

 Since then, this and other developments have caused Iran’s currency to drop precipitously in value. This is one way of waging war in 2012, by attacking a nation’s currency


I see Jim Rickards finger prints on this one..

trav7777's picture

gotta say huh? to OP.

Um, the NPT to which Iran is a signatory GUARANTEES countries the right to peaceful nuclear power, irrespective of the baffling conceit of your "postulate"

Edit: I see now that he is the son of Oliver Stone, thus simultaneously explaining the brashness and ignorance of his postulate.

john39's picture

it is also illegal for the United States to provide any aid to Israel as a result of Israel's undeclared nuclear weapons...   but this obviously never stops the U.S. gov from giving away citizens money to Israel.