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Backing into World War III?

According to the doctrine of pre-emptive war, Iran can be attacked based on its alleged desire to develop nuclear weapons, just as Iraq was attacked in 2003. In fact, Congress is currently debating whether a nuclear capability alone (which Brazil, Japan, and other countries enjoy) could justify the 'preventive' attack. I believe it is time to negate this doctrine by postulating that Iran in fact has a right, as a sovereign nation, to a nuclear capability.

Having traveled to Iran recently, I can attest to the Joint Chiefs' General Dempsey's reference to Iran as a 'rational' actor. The Iranians have no interest in destroying America, or Israel, at the expense of one of the oldest continuous civilizations in the world, dating back about 2600 years. Iran is currently surrounded by over 40 U.S. military installations, not counting Israel's still-unaccounted nuclear arsenal. To assert that Iran would jeopardize its culture for a one-shot nuclear attack is a complete miscalculation of the Iranian spirit; that spirit gave rise to a revolution in 1979 against what they perceived as Anglo-American imperialism in the form of the Shah, much as our own revolution opposed British imperialism.

I agree with General Dempsey that an attack on Iran would not only be imprudent, it would be 'destabilizing', and for more than just Iran. What is at stake is much larger than Iran's right to become a nuclear power; and based on the attitude of the political figures I spoke with in Iran, they understand this very well -- should Israel, with or without American support, attack Iran's nuclear or military infrastructure, it would be considered an act of war that may prompt World War III.

What I believe is currently being played out is an 'endgame' scenario, by failing West European and American economies, threatening to explode what has historically been referred to by British imperialists as the Heartland of Eurasia: stretching from the Horn of Africa (guarding the shipping lanes of the Gulf) to Afghanistan and Pakistan (in Russia and China's underbelly). The Russians know this 'Great Game' well, having played it with the British since at least the Crimean War of the mid-19th Century. So when Russia says it cannot accept the ongoing destruction of the Syrian government, or an attack on Iran, it is based on the understanding that such destabilization of this 'Heartland' could ignite war between Shia and Sunni Muslims across the region, even affecting the Muslim populations of southern Russia and western China.

Iran is currently accused by the West of being a rogue state involved in spreading amorphous terrorism abroad. In reality, Iran has seen the destruction of the sovereign states in Afghanistan and Iraq, on its borders; and now, the Obama Administration is calling for the downfall of Iran's ally, President Assad's secular Syrian regime. That country is quickly going the way of Lebanon in the 1980s, which could reignite sectarian violence from Lebanon to Iraq, and beyond. The chaos ensuing the overthrow of Assad will not only serve to radicalize the religious factions, as the Iraq war did after the fall of the secular Ba'ath Party, but such a strategy seems to have been predicted; retired General Wesley Clark reported in his 2003 book that the imperialist 'neo-con' faction within the U.S. Defense Department had plans for regime change in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Lebanon and Iran, dating back to before Sept. 11.

In such a meltdown of nation-states, Israel will not be safe from retaliation by Hezbollah and Hamas; unless of course, Prime Minister Netanyahu intends to use such violence to attempt an extension of Israel's borders toward the Euphrates, according to the right-wing 'Greater Israel' doctrine which desires an Israeli state from the Nile in Egypt to the Euphrates in Iraq. It would then seem the logic of this current escalation to war with Iran really has nothing to do with protecting Israel; the escalation will more likely sacrifice the Israeli people for the sake of a game of empire.

It is no wonder that Russian Prime Minister Putin has called the Anglo-American policy in the Middle East a 'cult of violence.' As Putin understands, if we do not respect national sovereignty, who are we left to cooperate with in order to stop the radical political groups we allege as our enemy? In point of little irony, most radical Al-Qaeda elements are derived from Saudi-style Wahhabism, which gave rise to the Taliban regime. Considering that Iranian Shi'ism is long-opposed to this brand of Sunni Islam, would it not make more sense for America to cooperate with Iran against Al-Qaeda and related extremist groups? In the process of such diplomatic engagement, is it not possible that we make peace with the Iranian regime through a commonality of purpose and an exchanging of ideas?

The Iranian people, like the American people, are reasonable, but proud; if they believe in a right to nuclear capabilities, it is because they feel they have the same national right as do the Israelis or Pakistanis, both of whom have already weaponized the region. And according to their Supreme Leader, Iran is not desirous of nuclear weapons, for he has said that even "the production, possession, use or threat of use of nuclear weapons are illegitimate, futile, harmful, dangerous and prohibited as a great sin." If we are thus serious about the Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed, I'd personally like to see a nuclear weapon-free zone across the Middle East, which would mean accounting for the Israeli arsenal. But if we continue on the current trajectory of giving 'unconditional support' to Israel and its illicit nuclear arsenal -- and if we continue to support the overthrow of nations who have not declared war on us -- are we not creating the conditions for Iran to eventually desire a nuclear weapon, to prevent the destruction of its national sovereignty?

If we can succeed in staving off an imperialistic war in the coming years, I foresee a future of cooperation between Iran, Israel, and America, based on a common republican spirit and tradition. But if Anglo-American imperialism chooses to continue to smash nations and disregard borders, that imperial spirit will only breed more terrorism, not less. If we create a world without sovereign states with authority of law to rule over their people, who will we have left to deal with? Countries do not always get along, but failed states never do. And should we risk war over the excuse of Iran's nuclear program, we will be looking at a region of radicalized groups of all denominations, with very little authority over them, and tremendous resentment at what they will perceive as foreign imperialists. Such a day would be much worse than seeing a nuclear Iran.

 

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Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:34 | 2239861 Gully Foyle
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Iran War = Lost tv series

Lot's of talk to keep everyone interested week to week but a bullshit ending.

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:38 | 2239880 BliptoP3
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I agree, the U.S. should declare war on the writers of Lost - I hate those people.  Never again...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:23 | 2240087 Spirit Of Truth
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America, and Western society, are Lost alright. Iran is just a bishop in the Kremlin's global chess game of Real Politik, and the West can hardly play checkers.

 

"The failure of U.S. policymakers to comprehend the veiled aggressiveness and hostility towards the United States inherent in Sino-Soviet strategy and the belief that the political and economic reforms in Russia and the partial introduction of capitalism in China have foreshadowed these countries' development into real democracies, have eroded the effectiveness of U.S. policies in the foreign affairs, defense, intelligence and counter-intelligence fields.  U.S. policymakers have recklessly accepted the premise that Russia and China are no longer enemies, but are rather potential allies and partners fully deserving of U.S. support.  Only countries like Iran, (pre-2003) Iraq and North Korea - which (ironically, in this context) work secretly with Russia and China - are still considered potential adversaries." - KGB DEFECTOR ANATOLIY GOLITSYN, THE PERESTROIKA DECEPTION, 1995, P.230

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/defectors.htm

Hey....but who in the West needs the truth anyways....everyone is above that.

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:33 | 2240140 john39
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the nerve of those brown people for wanting to defend themselves...   /s

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:55 | 2240239 HarryM
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Defend themselves from whom , praytell ,  Islamic Extermists or Freedom Fighters ?

I believe conventional weapons suffice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:33 | 2240404 Harlequin001
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They should WANT to have our democracy...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:35 | 2240410 Ahmeexnal
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The title should be: "BANKING Into World War III?"

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:38 | 2240706 Michael
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Couldn't we just let Israel attack Iran and watch Iran and the rest of the Muslim world wipe Israel off the map and get it over with?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 16:27 | 2241068 BigJim
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You've got that backwards, Michael. Israel could easily wipe the Muslim world off the map - they've got 200 to 300 nukes, and are easily the most powerful military in the region.

Admittedly, if Pakistan decided to nuke them (and several million fellow-Muslim Palestinians in the process) it would change things a bit, but I suspect Pakestan's nukes are reserved for use on their great rival, India.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:45 | 2240457 Shitters_Full
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Does the same apply to Israel, Harry?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:07 | 2240563 Spirit Of Truth
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Seriously....why do you people engage in such absurd 'make believe'?

Do you really think Israel would care except for the fact that Iran is developing nukes and Tehran's leaders, with a known apocalyptic jihadist mindset, are calling for the Jewish state to be wiped off the map?

The question you really need to be asking is, what do those seeking your destruction really have up their sleeve?  After all, it's not like Iran doesn't understand that the U.S. and Iran should be able to destroy and defeat their far weaker military.  So what are the mullahs' thinking?

Again...


http://www.spiritoftruth.org/iraniannuclearbomb.htm

 

Consider this.

Jan. 23, 2011 - Iran announces a naval flotilla will be sent to pass through the Red Sea and Mediterranean Sea w/some warships going through the Suez Canal.

Jan. 25, 2011 - Egyptian revolution begins.

Jan. 26, 2011 - Iranian naval vessels depart for Mediterranean Sea.

Feb. 6, 2011 - Iran's naval vessels dock at Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, the first time Iranian warships are permitted at a Saudi Arabian port since '79 revolution given the poor relations between the states.

Feb. 11, 2011 - Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak overthrown on 32nd anniversary of overthrow of the Shah in Iran

Feb. 22, 2011 - Iranian naval vessels pass through Suez Canal and enter the Mediterranean Sea for the first time since the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

 

Here's the big question marks. 

1. How did Iran know Hosni Mubarak would be overthrown before the Egyptian revolt even began such that there'd be an opportunity for Iranian naval vessels to pass through the Suez Canal? 

"While the Mubarak regime was in power, there was little possibility of Egypt permitting an Iranian naval task force to transit the Suez Canal." 

2. Why did Saudi Arabia permit Iranian naval vessels to dock in Jeddah? The two countries are supposed to be hostile with one another. 

I can only point out the truth and be ignored for so long before there are tragic consequences from failing to heed me

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:11 | 2240586 The Big Ching-aso
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"Neoconfucius say, man have no need to heed other man with mental disease."

Neoconfucius

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:39 | 2240711 Spirit Of Truth
Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:33 | 2241399 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Precisely, wanting a car that goes 250mph does not imply that the driver is entering the Indy 500.

The problem of course is letting that driver go around the track at 250mph while empty probably won't result in him showing up uninvited on race day but you never know.

Not complicated at all, the mullahs besides the obvious want a big fireworks show to gain credibility.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 23:15 | 2242339 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"Sanity is relative."

Relative? Not even close. In your case, sanity is a stranger that lives in the next county.

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:25 | 2240651 Hamsterfist
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I checked out your website, and it seems you are all butt hurt about being banned from GLP.  Really??  For such a NWO conspiracist dude, I see no reason why you would be participating at that website.....  Its a fraud site, and will ban you for no reason, just to collect money from you for an unban.  I'd just move over to lunaticoutpost.com, like all the other ex GLPers.  While I do not buy into your theories, people of your ilk make for excellent entertainment.  Carry on.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:43 | 2240703 Spirit Of Truth
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That GLP and just about every other forum on the planet bans me, when I'm simply arguing my case without being disruptive, is a testament to the fact that the truth is literally blasphemy in the modern age.

"In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act..."

The response of people here to what should be the obvious facts I'm revealing about the West's failings and ultimate demise is no different than anywhere else....left-wing, center, right-wing, Christian, atheist, whatever.  The reaction to the truth is always the same, i.e., that it's unacceptable heresy.  People would rather dwell in their ultimately suicidal delusions than try to save themselves by facing and accepting the truth and correcting ourselves accordingly. Hence, the Grand Supercycle crash and collapse of Western Civilization is cyclically and prophetically inevitable.  I can understand this fact, but I'm going to resist it since I, and all those I love, are stuck on this worldly crazy train with all you self-destructive nutjobs for the time being.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:54 | 2240802 Hamsterfist
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Here is my question to you though.  What do you care if people are ignorant to the truth?  The best you can do is tell it, as you see it.  If others don't agree, so what?  In the end we all die, wether in some apocalypse or just of natural causes.  Do the best you can telling others and prepare for yourself.  Arguing your point is useless.  Perhaps you spend too much time seeing your own truth and are failing to learn 'truths' from others?  

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:14 | 2241328 Spirit Of Truth
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Maybe.  I find the whole situation absurdly infuriating.  It's not like I can get anyone around me to believe what I'm pointing out and do something to prepare, so as it stands I'm just going to go down with the ship.  Quite frankly, while I may be furious at the creatures around me, I'm equally if not more outraged by the Creator who is writing what seems to be a rather sick Stephen King-like novel in which we are all just doomed characters.  Seriously....WTF?!

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:03 | 2241698 J1mB0b
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The traditional Yiddish word for "West Bank" is "Lebensraum" !

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:20 | 2241738 Flakmeister
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Cute....

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:14 | 2240337 CIABS
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The reasonableness on display in this article will NOT be tolerated...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:49 | 2240205 LawsofPhysics
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Spot on.  I don't know if I would say that Russia and China have always been enemies so much as they have always been great competitors and with generations of americans who all got trophies growing up because they "were all winners" and politically correct and such, America has forgotten how to compete.

The war mongering is about one thing and one thing only, the petrol dollar.  The "Corporation of the United States of America" readily sacraficed millions of it's tenants during WWI and WWII, as well as numerous other private "police actions" and black ops to maintain the ponzi and the petro dollar.  No one should be surprised, but it certainly makes you think hard about how far the central planners are willing to go.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:56 | 2240252 HarryM
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Saddam thought Russia had his back as well

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:49 | 2240764 Spirit Of Truth
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And Muammar Gaddafi.

Some puppet states are expendable pawns.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 23:20 | 2242348 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"Some puppet states are expendable pawns."

...like the US is to Israel.

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:46 | 2240752 Spirit Of Truth
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Per KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn, the Sino-Soviet split in 1961 was a strategic deception.

"All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him." - Sun Tzu, the Art of War

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 16:34 | 2241115 BigJim
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You seem to be relying an awful lot on Golitsyn's testimony.

What if he's full of shit? What does that do to your chain of analysis?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:49 | 2241500 Phil Free
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What if he's not full of shit?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:46 | 2241491 Xkwisetly Paneful
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SUper sharp point.

Did you see the invasion of Europe when the Euro was created?

I didn't either.

Worldwide commerce denominated in USD is a whopping 64% down a whole 10% in 40yrs including the creation of the euro.

DEC 2008when shit fan before they started buying their own bonds,

 US bonds traded under transaction costs, the world paid the fed to hold their money.

Otherwise brilliant razor sharp, save the petro dollar that has died more times than any Hollywood villain ever has and all the while is basically as important as ever.

 

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:56 | 2240248 battle axe
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For the love of god it is simple, We are broke, and can not afford any more wars. All the other talk about Iran and Israel is just mental masturbation. 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:42 | 2240440 xela2200
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Yes, the problem is that we have a lot of guns and our neighbors got something we want.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 16:38 | 2241142 espirit
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But in the "end game", if we can't have it - we want to make sure that it is inaccessible to others as well.  That way, it cannot be utilized as a strategic asset against us.

No more MENA? Oh well, move along.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:51 | 2241513 Phil Free
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And what's wrong with mental masturbation?  As long as you wash your hands later..

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:06 | 2241705 J1mB0b
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You're a dirty, dirty boy ... go to my room !

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:58 | 2240516 Ponzified Plebe
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SoT,

 

Your recent posts belie a typical North Atlantic paranoia and deep misunderstanding of both Russia and China. I am not here to say either state is lilly white, but they aren't nearly as bad as many in NATO fear, as they simply act in their own self interest in the face of NATO neo-imperialism and quest to rule the production and movement of global energy. Putin's Russia has made incredible movement under his reign progressing from the failure of post-Communism to a thriving market economy where the rising tide is lifting many ships, so to speak. You can't pretend that NATO agression lead by the US & UK doesn't represent a material threat to Russian and Chineese growth and influence. Influence they are achieving by strategic partnership and investment as opposed to through invasion and the threat of violence.

There's a flip side to your "Sino-Russian" conspiracy sources that you should be considering, maybe you should consider them before you lend so much support to the pan NATO financial/military industrial complex that is moving the world ever closer to WW3.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:32 | 2240678 Hamsterfist
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But... but... they're are commies!!!  So of course they are evil, while America is great.  Or haven't you gotten the message from all these years of capitalistic, American propaganda.  

 

I will admit however, the Russians always seem like a sad people to me.  Why are they always so depressing?  Sheesh.  Lighten up Rooskies.  I am tired of you not being a happy people.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 16:13 | 2240982 Spirit Of Truth
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Believe it or not, I'm a big fan of Bill Moyers. I understand that Western democracy has been usurped by profit-driven financial and corporate elite.  However, if you somehow think the megalomaniacal, tyrannical warmongers in Moscow and Beijing are the solution, then I think you are very gravely in error.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:53 | 2241525 Phil Free
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They are not as sad as you may think.  VODKA.

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 16:10 | 2240801 Spirit Of Truth
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You are so far removed from historical reality, you might be beyond hope.  Nevertheless, I invite you to go through and view some of the video playlists at my YouTube channel.  In particularly, I suggest you watch The Soviet Story (follow that link for a version w/English subtitles). The truth is that it is easy to vilify Israel, America and NATO instead of the 'Old Enemy', and those plotting the world's conquest will exploit that psychological weakness of sheeple like yourself for all its worth.  Thus, out of cowardice, you are ultimately cooperating in your own destruction.

 

"War to the hilt between Communism and Capitalism is inevitable. Today, of course, we are not strong enough to attack. Our time will come in 20 or 30 years. To win, we shall need the element of surprise. The bourgeoisie will have to be put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. There will be electrifying overtures and unheard-of concessions. The capitalistic countries, stupid and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate in their own destruction. They will leap at another chance to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, we will smash them with our clenched fist." - Dimitry Z. Manulsky, Lenin School of Political Warfare

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 16:37 | 2241143 BigJim
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The main problem with this analysis, as I see it, is that neither Russia or China are any longer communist.

I'm sure that, given a sufficiently disproportionately powerful military like NATOs, they would use it just as evilly; but they haven't, and aren't.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:22 | 2241357 Spirit Of Truth
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Here's a clue....THEY NEVER WERE COMMUNIST.

The Communist Party facade was just a great big lie to give cover to the complete opposite of a 'stateless utopia', i.e., a totalitarian dictatorship.  The dystopia of a tyranny tries to paint itself as a utopia because the "owners" in that sort of society are EVIL and seek to maintain popular control through LIES AND MURDER.

And you all think the Jews are bad?    Well....that sets the stage for the next great big ideological lie, i.e., that the 'Communists' have converted to 'Christians':

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2009/11/fall-of-berlin-wall-rise-of...

The Jews, after all, need to be held to account for the murder of Jesus? Right?

Oh pleeeeeeaaaaaassssseeeee.......

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:09 | 2241713 J1mB0b
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Reading this, I will remain forever grateful that I only have sexual fantasies !

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 16:00 | 2240870 4horse
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10003words . . . nevermind

 

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0306-netanyahu-congress/11932513-1-eng-US/0306-Netanyahu-congress_full_600.jpg

 

all already written, insufficient, to capture even these bookends

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:20 | 2240089 CharlieSDT
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In the last several months we have seen a steady stream of warmongering going on between the United States and Iran. I know, regular Americans, you haven’t seen much yet, but I understand how busy you’ve been lately. It’s hard to keep up with the international news when it’s football season, I mean, how great was Eli Manning? Then of course there was Valentine’s Day, can’t forget to go buy your overweight girlfriend or wife some stuff to prove your continuing devotion to her. And then, of course Whitney Houston died, and even though nobody cared about her before she died, the passing of that crackhead has-been required 24-7 news coverage for a couple weeks. What a tragedy! What a voice! And then of course you had to go to your Oscar parties. Can you believe J-Lo’s nipple was showing? I mean, holy shit, her goddamn NIPPLE!

 

Meanwhile the rest of the world has been watching in horror as America and Iran have continued to escalate a very testy situation that looks poised to result in open hostilities, which have a chance of drawing Israel, Russia, China, and some Arab countries into the conflict. This war between Iran and the USA has already begun, and the US fired the first shot when they announced sanctions on any banks doing business with Iran’s central bank on December 31, 2011. Since then, this and other developments have caused Iran’s currency to drop precipitously in value. This is one way of waging war in 2012, by attacking a nation’s currency. But economic war is just the first stage.

 

http://www.singledudetravel.com/2012/03/hey-dudes-dont-believe-these-war...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:44 | 2240193 mayhem_korner
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In the last several months we have seen a steady stream of warmongering going on between the United States and Iran.

 

You don't think this is been going on just in the last several months, right?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 16:44 | 2241186 TBT or not TBT
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"Death to America" is a daily mantra with the regime over there SINCE 79.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:51 | 2240225 kill switch
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 Since then, this and other developments have caused Iran’s currency to drop precipitously in value. This is one way of waging war in 2012, by attacking a nation’s currency

 

I see Jim Rickards finger prints on this one..

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:24 | 2240090 trav7777
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gotta say huh? to OP.

Um, the NPT to which Iran is a signatory GUARANTEES countries the right to peaceful nuclear power, irrespective of the baffling conceit of your "postulate"

Edit: I see now that he is the son of Oliver Stone, thus simultaneously explaining the brashness and ignorance of his postulate.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:35 | 2240151 john39
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it is also illegal for the United States to provide any aid to Israel as a result of Israel's undeclared nuclear weapons...   but this obviously never stops the U.S. gov from giving away citizens money to Israel.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:40 | 2239889 wisefool
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Yup. got to have a good circus. The plebs scream "boring!" when top military men like gates, mullin, etc. say stuff like "The #1 threat to US national security is the national debt, not those brown people on the other side of the planet"

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:51 | 2239950 The Big Ching-aso
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It's 2012.   Now's a good time as any to start WWIII.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:04 | 2240022 Phil Free
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Keep in mind, they got target dates.  Gotta wrap everything up by Dec. 21, dontcha'know.

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:25 | 2240097 The Big Ching-aso
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Maybe Mayan calendar was made in China?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:27 | 2240108 Silver Dreamer
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It might as well have been since almost everything else is.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:21 | 2240091 whaleoil
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Well, aren't wars always over by Christmas?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:00 | 2240268 HarryM
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There will be no WWIII over Iran.

The Russians and the Chiese may supply weapons to Iran , and we will take heavy casualties, but in the end, Iran will not get the bomb and there will be no world war

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 16:48 | 2241211 TBT or not TBT
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Define "heavy". Was the casualty count of of Iraq I and II and the Afghan nation building project "heavy"? WW II had a lot of individual battles where so many US soldiers were lost in a matter of hours. Any action deleting Iran's military power projection and state security forces does not deserve the "WW" prefix, particularly if we avoid the nation-building phase wherein take most of the casualties.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:54 | 2239971 Clueless Economist
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Hold it, we have every right to wipe the Iranians off the face of the earth.  They hated us for our freedoms.  So, we bent over backwards to erase our freedoms by using the DHS/TSA/DEA and other Government Three Letter Acronyms.  Now they still have the audacity to hate us, even with our freedoms gone!

What other reply do they deserve from the United States of Israel than to bomb them back to the stone age?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:04 | 2240021 wisefool
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snarc: I stopped reading after I saw how you mispelled freedums. It was barely tolerable to see nukular mispelled by the OP and various posters throughout this thread. I dont expect all of you to speak proper texan nee kennebunkport maine. but could you atleast try D.C. 501c think tank inflections?

/snarc.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 16:30 | 2241088 4horse
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deductively fucked

as in noshitsherlock . . .

 

syllogism of the century:

 

all animals are equal
some animals are more equal than others
  .
.   .  they is pigs among us

 

PNAC

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0306-netanyahu-congress/11932513-1-eng-US/0306-Netanyahu-congress_full_600.jpg

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 02:29 | 2242676 StychoKiller
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Hmm, blowing up a few printing presses and the Federal Reserve building would make me holler and stamp my feet for more...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:26 | 2240103 Silver Dreamer
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The TV series that I think of first when war with Iran is mentioned is Jericho.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:03 | 2241284 4horse
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The TeleViv series that I think of first when war with Iran is mentioned is The NightlyNews

featuring murkin boobtubers watching their ends rotating D/R,R/D but right up the 1potatoe,2potatoe headlines 'bout fellow sofaspuds all caught-in-the-middle but altogether closing upon their own black hole

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0306-netanyahu-congress/11932513-1-eng-US/0306-Netanyahu-congress_full_600.jpg

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:41 | 2240178 Tarheel
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Apparantly Sean Stone is a catcher, what a gay article. Weak defense policies are why al.gore and ron paul will never be elected, even with vote stuffing from ACORN (in al.gore's case)

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:26 | 2240381 viahj
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Apparantly Sean Stone is a catcher, what a gay article. Weak [ISRAEL] defense policies are why al.gore and ron paul will never be elected, even with vote stuffing from ACORN (in al.gore's case)

fixed it for ya

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 16:11 | 2241504 4horse
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we interrupt our regularly scheduled program to bring you this public service announcement . . .

 

 

ROCK'n'ROLLIN stone THE VOTE: November 2012

do your doody

 

 

. . . after which will regularly scheduled programming resume

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:37 | 2239869 diogeneslaertius
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Morals and Dogma

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:02 | 2241545 Phil Free
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And?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:40 | 2239871 gmrpeabody
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Sean Stone???

Another spoiled rich kid that gets press time. There in lies the advantage of the 1%, that millions of other quite capable youngs kids never see.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:45 | 2239913 Chump
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So what comment do you have on what he's written here?  I think it seems very lucid and reasonable.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:53 | 2239967 gmrpeabody
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Agreed..., my only point being that millions of us think the same way, but one of these Hollywood types puts it on paper and everybody calls them a genius. LOL

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:18 | 2240081 Citxmech
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"but one of these Hollywood types puts it on paper and everybody calls them a genius"

Maybe if you had put it on paper, your version would have been posted.  Jealous much?

Folks need to be exposed to this.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:32 | 2240134 slewie the pi-rat
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you guys are both right

we've been going over this point (mine, below, pasted from our author) since last christmas, here, from exactly this (below) perspective, to wit:  that this is about as stable a situ as we've all somehow globally "engineered" in a heluva long time

so let's try to build upon it with a semblance of peace and some promise of trade and mutual benefit for all and quit fuking around here, BiCheZ!

YES!!!

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:26 | 2240101 slewie the pi-rat
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(PASTE): "I agree with General Dempsey that an attack on Iran would not only be imprudent, it would be 'destabilizing', and for more than just Iran"

don't take the junks too seriously, peabody

you are absolutely correct

perhaps b/c he is a moslem or a muslim or b/c maybe he isn't, i dunno, maybe people give him some "cred";  of b/c he has "made films" or "beenToSundance"

so maybe he can cause a synapse to close elsewhere, b/c as we know, the propaganda cuddles are all-enveloping for many;  but no, for zH, this is pretty well been covered about 5X but at least tyler has a more reasonable voice than mccain or the D0D here, today, with this never-ending subject of stress

if people get is out of it, wtf?  I agree with General Dempsey that an attack on Iran would not only be imprudent, it would be 'destabilizing', and for more than just Iran

and this is so obvious, even the generals and MIC can "get" it, we would hope, mrP!

they don't "know" better than common sense and a feel for a place to STOP, here, unless they have all lost their fuking minds

again

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:30 | 2240125 Silver Dreamer
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Generals are to lawyers as war is to trial.  They usually win regardless of all of the losses around them.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:45 | 2240197 slewie the pi-rat
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if push comes to shove, our generals will see to it that whatever panetta orders will happen, unless it is a criminal act, of course

congress has given these guys a pass on everything since what?  wwII? 

our generals win some and lose some, depending on what "winning" comes to mean, at times

generalGiap is the best living commander on the planet, btw;  he'll have his 100th b'day this year...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:27 | 2241405 4horse
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ay. yeh. a singalong . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGDo1Jybs_I

like to go wit da cuddlieprop

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:38 | 2241464 4horse
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. . . and, propcorn, like watch a movie while we're at it

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0306-netanyahu-congress/11932513-1-eng-US/0306-Netanyahu-congress_full_600.jpg

 

and this picture does move, whoever,whatever,whenever it wants

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:19 | 2240353 Think for yourself
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He's very good, but he misses the forest for the trees. At the very least, he doesn't have the balls to ask the uncomfortable question.

The western nations engaging the endgame scenario is not a result of them being painted in a corner, or of miscalculating their strategy. It's a very masterfully crafted piece of theater, which we can see by looking how we where brought from there to here on the globalization timeline. With this fuzzy affirmation in mind, look at which questions he asks.

"If we are thus serious about the Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed, I'd personally like to see a nuclear weapon-free zone across the Middle East, which would mean accounting for the Israeli arsenal. But if we continue on the current trajectory of giving 'unconditional support' to Israel and its illicit nuclear arsenal -- and if we continue to support the overthrow of nations who have not declared war on us -- are we not creating the conditions for Iran to eventually desire a nuclear weapon, to prevent the destruction of its national sovereignty?" Of course. Even a 5 year old retarded deaf-mute would do better than we have done to avoid unjustified provocation. Thus, I argue, this is by design. (Nobody can be that stupid argument)

"If we can succeed in staving off an imperialistic war in the coming years, I foresee a future of cooperation between Iran, Israel, and America, based on a common republican spirit and tradition." Good luck. How would we stave off that war? It's not just a random road accident which you can see coming, swerve and there you go, problem avoided. There are undoubtedly agents that are trying to steer the world narrative towards this war. Who are these agents? How can we disable them? If we don't disable them, how can we hope to stave off the war? How can this cooperation happen without getting rid of these agents' death grip on international geopolitics?

"If we create a world without sovereign states with authority of law to rule over their people, who will we have left to deal with?" Assuming that is the plan, as is obvious if you even try to piece the information in his article together (the step he skipped), the answer is trival.

If you destroy all current authorities from sovereign states, who's left to protect us? A newly created worldwide authority, of course. One World Company, Inc. (©2012 Illuminati. All Rights Reserved), also known as the global technological scientific dictatorship.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:13 | 2240592 my puppy for prez
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You know, I have done enough reading to figure out that, these days, all writers of geo-political topics decide, before they ever press their pen to paper, whether they wil write to a conspiracy-believing audience or a "random happenings" audience.  The same topic must be written differently depending on the audience's primary orientation.  Many writers do not have the courage to state that there is an obvious global government agenda.  Their pride stands in the way, or their fear.  And then, some just do not have the capacity or intelligence to grasp that people throughout history DO actually conspire, whether it is to rob a bank or achieve global domination.  Denial is most people's shelter from the big, bad, scary world.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:43 | 2240733 Think for yourself
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Indeed. Which is why I said he was good at what he was doing.

I mean, the coincidental view of history (which is the official theory expounded in all indoctrination centers of the system) can only take you so far. He plays that theory well, and an attentive reading of his article will show that he brings it to breaking point, by a factual analysis that reveals the inconsistencies and requires one to engage the process of cognitive dissonance if one is to protect the edifice of coincidental history theory.

Hence the good job: it is much easier to avoid the cognitive bias of the "random happenings" audience, as you aptly call it, if you work from within the confines of the worldview and simply bring up enough facts that the audience has to spot the inconsistencies by themselves. I guess my comment above was just slightly bitter that he didn't leverage his significant oratory skills to that end himself, but as you imply that would probably have undermined the primary goal of his article.

Once his readers are ready to take that step, I figure there's already more than enough people expounding the conspiratorial view of history anyways.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:38 | 2241466 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Be real.

1000yrs of wars, most violent place on the planet in the history of the human race.

But it's those evil western imperialists, or the anglicans or those evil zionistas or this or that.

all the while the human race passed the avg middle eastern muzzie by over the last 100yrs although they discovered oil,

almost an impossibility.

My puppy for mullah 2016!

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:05 | 2241552 4horse
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xquiz . . .

no riddle: you are a plant

 

a plant
sown chaos
from some marketing dept
planted here like a bug
to entrap crap. which you're good at
like your bosses, with the mind of a morass
altogether a bog, of like underlying aspen
                                        yes                                                 
let's guess: dieffenbachia

                            
dumbcane

                 re dun dun dun dunt

 

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:13 | 2241704 Think for yourself
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Hmm. Let's see my last reply to one of your posts.

"GMAFBA never seen a place in real or cyber life with so many insecure know nothings who feel it necessary to cyber blow each other on a regular basis."

Yep, you being a prime example of this. Hell, Trav, Hamy and AnAnon are more consistently useful, rhetorically sound and less noxious than your posts. I don't think I ever saw one of your "contributions", if we could call them that, bring anything to the table.

I have one tool that will be vital to your training, young Padawan. It's called a mirror. Come back once you've mastered its use, or don't come back at all - nobody could care less. 

Still applies. Come back once you learn to conduct a conversation. You're not even an interesting troll. That takes talent, and earns respect. You're either a really incompetent plant or... I don't see what else. I'd still like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you're the one that doesn't take the hand that's offered to you.

I don't even know why I keep investing my time in answering you. I guess it has something to do with seeing the best in people...

So how about you actually answer to what I'm talking about. There are obviously agents that are manipulating the world narrative towards this war. Actually, it's already under way, physically in covert ways, psychosocially through propaganda wars, and last but not least economically. There measures can be observed globally and constitute a very complex and intertwined manifestation of hidden power, focusing towards a specific goal. These kind of events do not arise sponteanously simply because "most violent place on the planet in history". There's somebody making that place violent.

Who are these agents? What do they have to gain? You can make a rational argument and a methodical analysis that will point you to the answers. You only look stupid when you fall back to your boy who cried wolf schtick simply because we rationally argue that agents are acting behind the scenes and conspiring together. Hell, if I was them, with their objectives, interests and (lack of) values, I'd do the same, it's the clever thing to do.

The best conspiracy theory is that conspiracies do not exist.

 

P.S.: Stop this mullah thing. You're only embarassing yourself.

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:24 | 2241748 Phil Free
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" The best conspiracy theory is that conspiracies do not exist. "

I'm not going to get in between you two on any of this other stuff, but after seeing the above sentence, feel obligated to point out:  Just because you are paranoid, does not mean "they" aren't out to get you.

 

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:53 | 2239969 JOYFUL
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Damn, if that what a "spoiled rich kid" turns out like, let's turn on the taps! Not only can the boy write well, what he's got to say would make millions of Americans richer, happier, and a whole lot more well thought of by the rest of the world.

I guess that makes him a terrorist, as well a spoiled rich kid. Pity.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:54 | 2239975 spiral_eyes
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Sean Stone seems like an intelligent and considerate man.

I agree with his analysis.

http://azizonomics.com/2012/03/06/barack-ill-bomb-ya/

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:38 | 2239873 Segestan
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The Iranian people, the commoner, doesn't give a shit about a nuclear right, that's political BS. And the author must be unaware of the Bar Association and the Crown. Revolutions are a joke.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:18 | 2240052 Pseudo Anonym
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unfortunately, with this comment:

unaware of the Bar Association and the Crown

and its implications, you are talking over many heads here.  But in any case, good for you to bring it up.  I am willing to wager that there's not going to be a single comment in your thread that would capture the significance of what you alluded to wrt the Bar and Crown...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:15 | 2240341 stopthejunk1
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Oh c'mon.  We assume he means something like this:

http://www.healthfreedom.info/BAR%20Association.htm

...and are unimpressed with that kind of paranoia.  I mean... really?  Some things are just not worth responding to.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:55 | 2240526 Pseudo Anonym
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while the info at the link you provided is not entirely untrue, what is missing is what the Crown is (corporation), who the true owner of the Crown is (not hofjuden), why four inns of court in the city of london corporation are unincorporated, why usa, canada, australia, germany, etc. are not countries (corporations), etc.

btw, your reaction "..unimpressed with that kind of paranoia" is not unexpected.  that's how "THEY" get away with it - making you believe that if you look at what's right in front of you, makes you a paranoid terrorist

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:04 | 2240549 my puppy for prez
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Well, I'm guessing he's not talking about an establishment that sells whiskey.

But I could be wrong.....LOL!!!

And why did you not mention Maritime Law?

All of us "ignorant" posters want you guys  to start a blog explaining the intricacies of how the British Empire still rules through legal code.  DO TELL!

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:41 | 2239891 BLOTTO
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STOP JOSEPH KONY is a fake movement to mobile troops in the area.

 

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:05 | 2240020 Momauguin Joe
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Where's there's oil, there's a country needing "liberation".

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:44 | 2240192 Pseudo Anonym
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yes, oil for warmongers and gold for hofjuden - a sure recipe for liberation and "they hate us for our freedoms" action

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:43 | 2239897 dick cheneys ghost
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These socio-pathic neo-cons want to partition Egypt and Pakistan...........

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:43 | 2239898 SheepDog-One
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I dont like the looks of my neighbor down the street...he has a funny haircut and owns a cat, and I think at some point he might possibly attack me or something, therefore using the US own 'pre-emptive murder policy' I can walk up and shoot him dead for my own safety concerns.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:48 | 2239936 LetThemEatRand
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Or you can lock him in your basement based upon your suspicions and hold him there for the rest of time because he would likely try to harm you if you ever released him.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:21 | 2240049 hedgeless_horseman
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Give me a Jeep Liberty, and give you death!

 

 

If you have not watched Sam Richards' talk on empathy for those muslims whose oil we are liberating, you really should invest the 19 minutes.  You will not be disappointed:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kUEGHdQO7WA

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:50 | 2239949 roadlust
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Of course that is exactly the what the absurd "Bush Doctrine" (started by GW and continued by Obama) attempts to justify.

When Murder doesn't mean Murder anymore, we have truly arrived at the post Orwellian new world.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:08 | 2240038 SheepDog-One
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Hell theyve been doing this for 100 years at least what do you mean 'Bush started it'?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:29 | 2240115 cossack55
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Maybe he meant Preston Bush and that whole Hitler thingy.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:15 | 2240065 Quinvarius
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He probably also has a furnace in his basement that he could weaponize.  This is a serious threat to your end of the street.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:19 | 2240084 Taint Boil
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….Iran can be attacked based on its alleged desire to develop nuclear weapons….

 

I just read the above sentence out loud in a small office group here at work – of course I am against bombing them. Everyone looked at me like I was a nut case (yeah, yeah I know I am). They all seemed to be brain-washed by the MSM that somehow Iran is a threat to US soil ……. And nobody can even come half way to see or at least consider looking at what I am trying to say – they won’t even listen. “Let’s kill those fuckers” is all I hear.

 

Ron Paul was my only hope for sanity – of course that’s not going to happen. Maybe I’ll just give up and follow the rest if the sheeple. Fuck it – kill’em all. We’ll leave it to the history books to figure it out.

 

Short of a revolution there is no hope.

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:26 | 2240106 trav7777
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they chant "wipe israel off the map" as their fallback position.  You can show them the direct quote, they still resist the truth.

They never question.  It's too scary.  EVERYONE ELSE is clapping for Stalin so they must too.

Iran is going to "nuke us" with a "suitcase nuke" just the SECOND they have a slug of uranium larger than a marble.  People are flat out fucking idiots.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:35 | 2240154 Taint Boil
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they chant "wipe israel off the map" as their fallback position.

That is EXACTLY what they said - LOL

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:47 | 2240460 carbonmutant
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It might take a little more than a marble to reach Critical Mass. And some targets are closer than others...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:57 | 2240510 my puppy for prez
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You might ask them this question to get them thinking:  "So, if you claim that Iran says it wants to wipe Jews off the map by attacking Israel, then why aren't they killing the 10's of thousands of Iranian Jews who live peacefully in Iran?  Wouldn't they be the first to be "wiped off the map?"  Make them use logic.

Also, print out and show them this very well documented and convincing article:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29626#.T1fEGDbyf4A...

 

Good luck!  And don't give up!

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:45 | 2240195 AnAnonymous
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No, you cant.

US citizenism favours group over individuality. It is all about the group with US citizens.

US citizenism removed duelling from the table because this was an unbearable display of outburst violence.

You now need to join the right group to be afforded similar violence initiation.

That isthe way it is, and US citizenism.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:45 | 2240454 Theta_Burn
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^ Thats some preamble...what is your point?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:09 | 2240576 AnAnonymous
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An answer to

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I dont like the looks of my neighbor down the street...he has a funny haircut and owns a cat, and I think at

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Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:42 | 2241629 akak
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Sixteen velvet milks laughingly triangulate beyond overtly benign hairy teaspoons inside backward granite tophats.

 

PS: Oops, I forget to use the phrase "US citizenism" --- feel free to insert it randomly into the above declaration (exact placement is irrelevant).

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:36 | 2241637 ffart
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That doesn't really seem like the same thing. A duel was mutually arranged between two parties to settle a dispute, walking up to someone and shooting them isn't really in the same league. Although you'd probably see a lot less political corruption if dueling was permitted again.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:51 | 2241662 akak
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Trying to use logic and reason against bigoted chinese trolls with unassailable collectivist mindsets (and the typical unintelligibility possessed only by the writers of consumer manuals for cheap and shoddy Chinese products) will only lead to inevitable frustration and despair --- you might as well attempt to plow the sea.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:57 | 2240251 Sunshine n Lollipops
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.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:36 | 2240695 Hamsterfist
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No you can't do that.  First you need to go to your city council and get a resolution passed barring him from access to food or energy.  After he gets pissed about this, as his wife and children died from hunger, only then may you murder him.  What don't you get about this?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:37 | 2240702 Hamsterfist
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I forget to mention that after you kill him, you get to keep all of his gold.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:43 | 2239900 carbonmutant
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Would the WH use a war to delay an election?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:45 | 2239912 SheepDog-One
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Why wouldnt they? Who would stop them, or even say harsh words against it?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:57 | 2240258 carguym14
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Who would stop them, or even say harsh words against it?

 

That's the beauty of all the new laws-speak out too loudly and wake up in Guantonamo.

Or a drone takes you out.

We're all agents of Goldstein now........... 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:47 | 2239934 gmrpeabody
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Only if they are afraid of the outcome of the election.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:58 | 2239990 zerozulu
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There are no more real elections any way in this country.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:46 | 2239916 DeadFred
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Don't try to bring logic to this argument. Whenever logic prevails applies only to the real underlying rationals for this insanity. Those rationals (oil, elections, diversion from real problems, whatever) are not discussed in the propanganda stream.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:46 | 2239917 CrashisOptimistic
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Oil costs too much to wage a conventional war that has no return on investment.

Watch Japan.  Specifically south of Japan.  There are some islands Japan has legitimate claim to and China is drilling for oil near them with no permission.  Taiwan ceded the islands to Japan.  China will claim Taiwan has no right to cede China territory to Japan, especially if such territory has oil.  They are called the Senkaku islands.

I think they are the location of World War III.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:24 | 2240377 stopthejunk1
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Entirely possible.  This is even the setting of John Updike's novel "Toward the end of time" -- basically, a war between China and Japan that starts over resource competition goes nuclear when the U.S. enters the war on behalf of Japan.  Nobody wins: millions of Chinese die, along with millions in American population centers, and the U.S. central government becomes so weak that all they can do is send out forms.  Complete apocalypse. 

Life goes on mostly the same for the rich, of course.  They still play golf and drive Audis.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:52 | 2240477 my puppy for prez
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Could be.  Maybe an important part of the equation.  Notice how nobody's talking about China lately?  Hmmm....

When something receives no attention from TPTB, that's where we should pay attention!

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:46 | 2239920 digalert
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Ron Paul is the only one not beating the war drum. Stop this bullshit now. We in the USSA are supposed to be afraid of al CIAeda? Janet Nazipolitano racing around VIPER rolling checkpoints, TSA hand in your pants, spy on your neighbor, returning veterans could be terrorists? WTF? Pannetta/Obama has said CONgress doesn't matter, we get our authority from a higher power...United Nations and NATO.

Stop this bullshit, these NWO globalists are criminals.

Wake up!

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:34 | 2240142 Silver Dreamer
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We are surrounded by sheeple, so expecting anything but slaughter is folly.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:31 | 2240394 Incubus
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Correct.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:56 | 2240827 Nigh Eve
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Ron Paul may also be the only candidate who has studied the Old Testament.

The Israelites were instructed by God to not rely upon outsiders for their self-defense.  (I forget exactly where it said that, though.)

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:46 | 2239921 scatterbrains
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Berstanky is pressing $5 gas this summer before he even orders the first bomb dropped on Iran...

http://fiatflaws.blogspot.com/2012/03/quick-rough-overlay-of-avg-retail....

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:51 | 2239926 Tortuga
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The Iranian people are being suppressed, raped, ravaged and murdered by the facists running that country. These mullahs are instigating a response to their presidents statement that they will "wipe the joos off the face of the earth" so that the 12th imman will appear, they are all hoping it is them; and bring the world under Islamic rule. Hey, who's to say they are wrong, huh, whom? Did you ride around in the same limo that oliver stone's kid, did? and fuck the generals,they are are politically correct dickheads and probably lawyers to boot, except for schwartzkohp and the one in NO that wasn't stuck on STUPID.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:28 | 2240112 trav7777
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nobody ever said they were going to wipe the jooz off the face of the earth.  Well, except for the jooz themselves, who invented that statement and attributed it to the iranians.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:02 | 2240535 Hugo Chavez
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The jooz have become so annoying and dangerous to united states interest that this former joo supporter would gladly wipe them off the face of the earth. Tell iran to get the fuk out of my way.

Now where is that damn button.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:49 | 2240211 AnAnonymous
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The Iranian people are being suppressed, raped, ravaged and murdered by the facists running that country.

____________________________________________________

Being freed by US citizens will definitively improved their lot.

While currently, they enjoy being viewed as victims, as soon as they are freed by US citizens, they will be turned into rag tag who deserve every single thing happening to them.

This and a much smaller news coverage about their daily sufferings.

Libya was a bad place before being freed by US citizens.

It looks like that US citizens did not fail themselves, they turned bad into worse.

US citizens, advancing their selfish interests behind the cover of humanitarian causes.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:39 | 2240714 Hamsterfist
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Clearly we need to wipe them off of the map, before their own government does it.  Murder by the USA is an honor!  

 

If you think Iran can bring Islamic rule to the entire planet, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:48 | 2239927 longdong silver
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Iran women are some of the hottest on the plannet.

 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:56 | 2239985 Carl Spackler
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With or without the burqua ?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:56 | 2240249 WonderDawg
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Coming from a guy named longdong silver, you gotta respect it. I'm a fan of minimal body hair on wimmen, so how do they fare in that criteria?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:43 | 2240445 Ahmeexnal
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shaving body hair is a major offense to moslems.
those burhkas are there for a reason: conceal hairy legs.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:04 | 2240544 WonderDawg
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Well, count me out then. Not a huge fan of dark brown nipples, either, so it's just as well. I prefer a clean shaven Scandanavian.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 15:15 | 2240601 zerozulu
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You are misinformed.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:49 | 2239942 FLHRS
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BS except maybe "The End Game", these dipshits are going to have to figure some way to salvage the current financial order.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:49 | 2239943 Dr. Engali
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Forty years of brainwashing the American citizen ,showing those evil Iranians burning American flags ,makes selling a war a lot easier. When in truth the Iranians have to watch their resources leave the country in exchange for useless paper, and all the wealth go to those in power. Then we export our inflation to them by debasing our currency. If I was a young Iranian trying to raise a family in that environment I'd be a little pissed off too. I might even burn a flag or two. It really pisses me off that American citizens are to lazy to challenge their "intellect" and look at things through their eyes.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 12:55 | 2239979 Carl Spackler
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Those same citizens do burn flags in Iran... Israeli, American and British ones.

As for you, Dr. Engan, it is much better to be pissed off than pissed on !

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 13:00 | 2240001 Dr. Engali
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Those are the flags I was referring to.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 14:33 | 2240405 Incubus
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Humans are a funny lot. 

 

They become enraged over burning of patches of cloth.  They die for it, too. 

 

Show 'em a book and they'll run for their lives, though. 

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