• Sprott Money
    05/06/2016 - 06:03
    The US, in its own decline, is showing this same self-destructive tendency. The worse things get, the greater the inclination of the citizenry to say, “Carry on, everything’s fine.”

Guest Post: Banks Must Change - But Not Like You Think

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Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:25 | 1927458 homersimpson
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"The Rise of FAZ." Sounds like a blockbuster movie for the rest of this year. Jump on FAZ before the Euro implosion and turn those earnings into physical gold!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:27 | 1927474 UnderDeGun
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Have & will.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 18:06 | 1927654 Carlyle Groupie
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FAZ is FUN.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 20:32 | 1928081 Triggernometry
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I don't advocate violence, but unless the crooks start getting jailed quickly, I don't see anything get better until those crooks are finally strung up.  The rubber band of socio-economic cohesion can only stretch so far.

When I say crooks, I mean past and present crooked politicians and their cronies/handlers/enablers.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 22:09 | 1928291 AldousHuxley
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Why change? banksters sinking their own ship now that there is no one else left.

 

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:32 | 1927491 Let them eat iPads
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I'm Mr. FAZ, that's my name

That name again is Mr. FAZ.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:41 | 1927511 Stack Trace
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I may get junked for it but $FAZ bestowed 43% return on my trades since August. Today was also nice.

I don't see how folks could see financials as safe or poised for growth. There are structural problems. There are regulatory problems. There are macro economic problems. There are debt problems. There are compensation practices problems. There are legal problems. There are loan loss problems. On and on...

Yet I see folks in the mainstream media pumping these stocks. I like this because it provides addtional setups and scares shorts out of their positions. I just stomach them and pull down profits. I know one of these times a real FIX come along. What that will be won't be good for financials as they stand.

BTW: Ploughing my profits into... physical gold and silver. At the end I should still have my principal and a bunch of this shiny worthy metal sitting around. I also run a business and make income working producing goods people need (unlike most banks). Best of both worlds.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:49 | 1927584 GenX Investor
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According to the two Bob's, they fixed the payroll "glitch" and this problem will resolve itself.  Why are we saving these banks when the right answer is the let them fail?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 22:12 | 1928296 AldousHuxley
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to extend the pain for all

 

like people who cut themselves, banksters have run out of natural enjoyments so they must become masochists

 

 

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 02:31 | 1928940 longonSpam
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"Free market capitalism is the greatest path to prosperity. I'm bullish on financials." -Larry Kudlow -

Fuck him and fuck everybody else too. 65+ yrs of bad policy, bad ethics, bad economics, bad politics, bad structure and bad information has set the stage for a giant collapse.

YES I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR PLEASE. FIRST MOVE LAS VEGAS

Until then..
20% Silver
20% Gold
20% Bolivian Uncut Cocaine
20% Chiquita Banana (JIC)
20% QQQ

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:24 | 1927461 Saro
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7. Our entire monetary system is fundamentally broken.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:39 | 1927516 johnu78
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Stop focusing on the Doom Porn and post something positive for a change!

 

-John
http://johnu78.blogspot.com/2011/11/israel-vs-iran-and-third-world-war.html

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:52 | 1927604 Saro
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"post something positive"

FAZ and gold?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:59 | 1927631 fuu
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Grats on the 11 days! Good thing you have a blog to pimp.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 18:16 | 1927695 Rakshas
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...wrt to your blog military analysis two things:

It never troubles the wolf how many the sheep may be ..... Virgil

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmOH5f1J1Uc

also one should never discount the unsettling effect of a high altitude TN air burst; Iranians love thier I-pads too....

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 20:23 | 1928057 BigJim
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http://johnu78.blogspot.com/2011/11/israel-vs-iran-and-third-world-war.html

"in a conventional conflict Iran would win" - FAIL. Israel is the region's military superpower. Unfortunately.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 23:31 | 1928476 Iwanttoknow
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Thats why Hizbollah kicked israel's arse.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:27 | 1927466 GeneMarchbanks
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'In summary, banks are changing before your eyes.  These changes are being superimposed by numerous forces that are driving their stocks down.  However, change must come to the fundamental driver of the industry, compensation.'

Anybody who isn't comatose and has been paying attention since 2008 will tell you that this has gone beyond 'compensation', the masses want blood.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:26 | 1927469 Piranhanoia
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Our idea of the concept of money is fundamentally broken

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:37 | 1927503 UnderDeGun
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That's seems a rather convoluted statement to my slow brain.  My "idea of a concept" is the close equivilant to "wet water".  Please expound, if you would. 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:56 | 1927620 JohnG
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Read this in detail:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money

Especially the section on fiat money.

 

The concept of "what is money" as an exchange of value when corrupted that fiat money has actual value has been puposefully confused and perverted as to fuck up the "idea" of just what money actually IS.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:27 | 1927473 YesWeKahn
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They need to change so that they no longer need Bernanke's help.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:28 | 1927479 Messianic
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1=9.  Or so my banker says.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:29 | 1927481 walküre
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BAC dropping like a rock, below $5

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:29 | 1927483 BW
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They are a great investment if you are shorting them.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:33 | 1927492 LongSoupLine
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Spitzer is on Ratigan's show as I write talking of Bloomberg's investigative article regarding the secret Fed bailouts.

This f'ing shit has got to stop now!!

People at the Fed, banks, Tresury, Congress, SEC, etc must be held accountable and go to prison, or executed for high financial treason against the United States!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:38 | 1927512 Messianic
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Treason...?  Really? 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 18:11 | 1927675 Carlyle Groupie
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At minimum. I would prefer that they get their skin pealed off then hosed down hourly with acetone.

But I am just a meger taxpayer.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:40 | 1927527 Ceteris paribus
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The united States is a corporation and you are an employee , they will do whatever they want with the company, and you dont matter

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:40 | 1927528 AchtungAffen
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This article seemed interesting at first, but then...

"Wait!! I’m not one of those OWS folk who think that we should just redistribute all the bank deposits and give it to them."

What?

And as far as I understood what this author is writing about, there should be no regulations, at least not new, concerning the 4 problems he enumerated at the beginning. The market will do it or they'll just "self regulate".

Self regulation has proven disastrous. No argument that starts with that carries any value. And "the market will do it", is just what I call "deus-ex-market". Trust it and the market will provide, or something. Look, the market is not some omniscient superhuman being above it all. It's just another human fiction. There are limits to what it can do, and hoping to leave it alone and it will provide, is just disingenuous.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:46 | 1927563 The Proletariat
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What self-regulation has been proven disastrous?  Just curious.....

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:51 | 1927595 Messianic
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A central bank with a monopoly on banking and near-absolute control of lending and interest rates, granted by a government charter, with its chairman appointed by the president and plenty of government guarantees to fund its engorgments.  Way too much free market and self-regulation for me.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 18:34 | 1927764 blunderdog
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International banking has been self-regulating for the past decade.

I guess "disaster" is just a matter of degree, though.  Everything could be fine right now, depending on your perspective.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 18:36 | 1927778 The Proletariat
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One more question, out of curiosity.....what is self-regulation?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 19:39 | 1927961 blunderdog
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You should just say whatever it is you want to say, 'cause you're either way too poorly informed to be worth talking to, or you're just playing some kind of rhetorical game here.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 21:21 | 1928186 The Proletariat
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I'm just asking a question...nothing rhetorical about it.  I'm just intrigued about exactly what people's definition of self-regulation is...that's all.  And, you're right I am way too poorly informed about "self-regulation" which is why I'm asking the question.  Sorry, you're offended...

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 21:25 | 1928203 blunderdog
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"Self-regulation" is an honor system.  The guys who own the [banks/businesses/industries/etc] agree to abide by the rules they create.

Wed, 11/30/2011 - 11:08 | 1930007 The Proletariat
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Ok, Thank You..... I was just confused about what it actually meant in relations to free market economies.  Thus, self-regulation is essentially double speak...

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 18:22 | 1927722 ForTheWorld
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It was at that point where I realised the author really had no idea about what OWS was, and he was coming across as a mouthpiece for the banks themselves - "Really, we're good, but we've just got to change a few things ourselves, so we'll be all good by the next commercial break!". He has an intriguing point of view though.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:50 | 1927589 augmister
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Burn the fiat!    Damn the bankers!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:54 | 1927608 kito
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when is that discount lending window opening for all americans??? really, thats the way to go. this is america, all about efficiency. screw the middle man/bank, lets just have the fed open up branches around the country and offer .25 interest on ALL LOANS to ALL PEOPLE!!!!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 18:05 | 1927646 sabra1
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big deal! soon we'll have one world bank, one world gov.! and...one idiot president for life!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 20:12 | 1928029 Carl Spackler
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We already have one world currency.

It is called GOLD.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 18:08 | 1927659 Everybodys All ...
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Just a couple more adjustments ...

Break up C, BAC, WFC, JPM into multiple smaller regional banks. Make sure their business model is to take care of local business.

GS and MS can go back to an investment bank but no longer can be a traditional bank because they are not. If the investment banking model no longer works then too bad. The overnight window just closed.

 

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 18:47 | 1927815 Teamtc321
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Local banks bribe the shit out of business owner's as well. It happen's, I know. So all banking cartel even at local level's are exposed to corruption imo.   

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 20:28 | 1928070 Everybodys All ...
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The reason for smaller banks is to create smaller problems when they fail. Right now we have created systemic risk beyond belief with these enormous banks. One of the key problems we have found with the monster banks is that the loan is no longer tied to the community. That model needs to be restored where community banks knew their customer by name and serviced them based on the communities common needs and goals.

If you know of bribes that occur at any bank and you don't report them then you are part of the problem. I have little doubt problems will still occur but they would likely be much more manageable.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 19:02 | 1927723 Georgesblog
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Private banks have always been the bane of any just society. Their influence perverts justice, corrupts leadership and robs the people of their wealth. History teaches that allowing wealth to stray too far from one's own hand invites thievery.

http://georgesblogforum.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/the-daily-climb-2/

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 18:27 | 1927738 There is No Spoon
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the problem is the corruption that enables such compensation.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 19:02 | 1927834 GoodMorningMr.V...
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The thing about compensation, is that in America that duty to police executive over compensation  legally  falls on the shareholders, who are often inattentive and clueless.

 

It's their duty to elect boards of directors that will make sure executives aren't obscenely compensated.

 

Everyone complains the executives are over compensated.

Sure executives are getting obscene bonuses for short term performance even if their actions have guaranteed bankruptcy in the long run. This is a problem, but if the shareholder don't care why should anyone else? The shareholders are the  ones losing the most.  

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 20:02 | 1928004 bjennings
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I used to think that as well until you start to consider that ownership tends to get consolidated into a few hands (i.e. Fidelity, hedge funds, etc..) and the custodians of those consolidated shares are just as likely to work at the bank as they are manage their accounts.  It's a fraternity.

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