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Guest Post: Be Honest CNBC - You Are Biased Against Ron Paul

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt Market

Be Honest CNBC-You Are Biased Against Ron Paul

Those of us who have supported Ron Paul since his presidential run in 2008 (and some who supported him long before that) have come to expect an astonishing array of mainstream media tricks, lies, and censorship when it comes to the “journalistic” examination of the good doctor. This doesn’t mean, however, that we have ever or will ever come to ACCEPT this consistent trend of deception and disinformation as a forgone conclusion of our political lives. We will never throw up our hands and walk away from the mess the MSM has deliberately created, because that is exactly what they would like us to do; give up, shut up, go home, vote for Romney (an establishment crony with the creepy grin of a pedophile), and watch him lose to Obama (yet another establishment crony) in 2012.

With this stated up front, it was brought to my attention that CNBC was running a poll asking readers who they thought won the recent Republican Presidential Debates in Michigan. Now, as in many polls in 2008, the name “Ron Paul” has been rising to the top of the charts in 2011 despite all efforts by media lapdogs to dissuade the public from even considering such a candidate. CNBC did not fail to play its roll this time around either. Ron Paul won by a substantial margin, and of course, their response was to take the poll down! Here was the explanation given by CNBC Managing Editor and all around bottom feeder, Allen Wastler:

Gamed Poll...So We Took It Down

We had a poll up from our Republican Presidential Debate asking readers who they thought won. One candidate was leading by such a margin that it became obvious the polling wasn't so much a reading of our audience, but of the Internet prowess of this particular candidate's political organization. We have therefore taken the poll down.

Yes, we've gone through this exercise before.

Wastler then provides a link to a rather patronizing statement he made back in 2007 to explain why CNBC dumped polling results then as well:

First of all, let’s be serious, folks! Regardless of what you might feel personally about Ron Paul or his political position, it has become painfully obvious to even the most oblivious subsections of the American populace that the MSM, from supposed “right wing” outlets like FOX, to supposed “left wing” outlets like CNBC, have gone WAY out of their way to ridicule, suppress, or completely ignore him.

Now, you really need to ask yourself, why is that?

If Ron Paul is such a “fringe” candidate with “no chance” of winning, then why all the trickery and subversion? If his political methodologies are so ridiculous or out of sync with the American people, then why not plaster his face on every TV screen in the country and let him destroy his own career? Why hide him from public view?

The answer is simple; because he IS a threat. His position is one of government transparency, limited power, and financial independence. He predicted the credit crisis and the mortgage bubble implosion long before they ever occurred. The guy wants to shut down the Federal Reserve and the cartoonish brute squad otherwise known as the IRS. He wants to end the costly and fraudulent wars in the Middle East and bring the troops home (really bring them home, not make fake statements about bringing them home and then keep them on the ground for another few years). Of course the MSM, a corporately controlled monopolistic sham, is working overtime to keep Paul down!

Think about it. Sit back and consider. If Ron Paul was actually allowed to stand on the same stage as Barack Obama in a fair debate, there would be no half hearted girly-slap pansy sparring going on as there would be in a match between Obama and Romney. Ron Paul would destroy Obama! It would be a massacre of historic proportions! The establishment, which represents a minority of elitists in this country and not the citizenry in any capacity, will not let this happen.

Allen Wastler would call the above statement “conspiracy theory”. All I have to say to Wastler is; prove me wrong! Give Ron Paul fair coverage. Leave your own polls to represent the actual results regardless of whether you like the outcome. But first, answer me these questions, Allen:

1) If your poll was “gamed”, or in other words “hacked”, then I imagine that you and CNBC have some kind of proof of this. Please, do show it to us, so we can better understand your suppression of the poll results. I continuously hear from the MSM that Ron Paul supporters are all master hackers, and that there are only a dozen of us huddled around basement computers posing as millions (and I thought they didn’t believe in conspiracies…), but I have yet to see any concrete evidence to support this notion. Do you have any, Allen?

2) If CNBC’s poll is so easily tampered with, then why continue to run it at all?

3) If Mitt Romney had won the poll by a landslide, would CNBC have suppressed the results then? Or is it only farfetched when Ron Paul prevails in the final calculations? (This is a bit of a rhetorical question, because we all know Mr. Wastler would have danced a jig and sung the glory of Romney over Paul if the roles had been reversed).

4) Why is it that whenever Ron Paul wins a poll, MSM pundits claim the results are unscientific, or that they really don’t represent the true position of the general public? Why is it that a Romney or Cain win brings resounding words of vindication for the nature of the democratic process?

5) What margin of success does CNBC consider “realistic” for a presidential candidate? I mean, is it really necessary for you to punish Ron Paul for being a popular candidate, or to punish his supporters for being well organized and showing up for the vote? Do you not see the half-assed absurdity of your claim that Ron Paul won by “too much”?

6) Isn’t it conceivable that Ron Paul is doing well in the polls because his ideas and views are shared by many Americans? Who are you to claim this is not possible, Mr. Allen?

7) Do you really believe you and CNBC will not be held accountable for misinforming the American people and hiding information pertinent to their political knowledge? The last time I checked, CNBC’s viewership has been in pitiful decline since at least 2009.

8) When are you going to man up, Allen, and admit that you dumped the poll because you are biased against Ron Paul? It’s not as if it is a big secret. Hiding behind superficial excuses such as “hackers” and “poll gaming” is at bottom pretty cowardly. Why not embrace your blatant disapproval of Paul and the considerable movement of Americans surrounding him so that we can have a real discussion, instead of putting on a pretentiously counterfeit smile and talking down your nose at us? Wouldn’t that be more fun?

Let’s bring some honesty, and perhaps finally some true competition, back to the presidential race, and say what is actually on our minds for once. This goes for the staff of CNBC! If Allen Wastler or any other MSM lackey wants to bash Ron Paul, then he should do it openly as a private citizen, not use the CNBC media apparatus as a Hearst-like yellow journalism weapon for misinforming the public, or for indirectly slandering a candidate or his supporters. This should not be a problem for him at all, unless, of course, the corporate owners of CNBC over at G&E play a much greater role in the actions of their news subsidiary than is readily admitted. Then, Allen Wastler’s apprehension in laying out the truth plainly would make a little more sense…


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Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:15 | 1865361 the not so migh...
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They are scared of something

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:17 | 1865375 EnglishMajor
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The truth...

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:17 | 1865380 wang (not verified)
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but ZH readers continue to tune in to CNBS

that is sick

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:22 | 1865398 jayman21
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Yes - to take the other side of what ever they are pumping and entertainment.  Keep friends close, keep enemies closer.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:26 | 1865410 Pladizow
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Ex's: CNBS, CNBSlezz, etc.....

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:27 | 1865423 Ratscam
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Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:29 | 1865428 MillionDollarBonus_
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Forget the Ron Paul revolution - the younger generation is waking up and realising that Ron Paul is just supporting the corporations. The Occupy Wall Street movement is breaking new ground against libertarian bigotry by pioneering the PROGRESSIVE REVOLUTION. We have been warning about the lack of welfare spending, jobs bills, and government controls for decades, and now that we are finally being vindicated, the Ron Paul campaign is trying to co-opt the movement. The real revolution is the compassionate SOCIALST revolution and we have a few simple demands:

1. Ban ALL derivatives, including options, futures, CDS's and SWAPS

2. FREE education, healthcare for all Americans

3. A guaranteed government job for all unemployed Americans

4. Triple the minimum wage to boost living standards

5. BAN all imported goods that compete with AMERICAN exports to boost our manufacturing base

We are fearless because we have the truth on our side, and the Ron Paul campaign better get with us or get out of the way.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:33 | 1865451 WonderDawg
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MDB, your satire is truly genius.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:53 | 1865548 DeadFred
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Or maybe he forgot and used the big spoon instead of the little one for this morning's drug supply.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:21 | 1865699 trav7777
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Ron Paul won, ergo the poll was hacked.

Results or evidence that show Paul in the lead are assumed to be spurious

This is them telling YOU who your fuckin candidates are gonna be, capiche?  People talk about how the system selects two shitpiles, one from each camp, and here you can see its function.  The MSM has already decided who the GOP candidate pool is.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:28 | 1865738 WestVillageIdiot
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You got that right, Trav.  The other day I was reading about some bullshit poll that the fish wrap known as The Wall Street Journal had done.  The only names mentioned were Herman "I can run anything into the ground" Cain and Mitt "thank god my daddy got me where I'm at since I'm such a colossal zero" Romney.  The name Ron Paul was not mentioned a single time.

And these fucking media outlets blame the Internet for their lack of readership or viewership.  It is not the fact that they peddle bullshit 25 hours a day.  The Fourth Estate is truly in wretched shape. 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:51 | 1865837 Citxmech
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They put Ron way at the end podium and didn't even include him in the wide-angle shots.  I was actually looking for a poll to vote on and all CNB$ had at that point was a poll titled "What topic dominated the debate?"  Seriously?

Looked to me like the topic of the evening was how best to marginalize RP - too bad that wasn't an option.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:17 | 1865907 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The coordination is truely amazing, more than anytime in history.  It can't be explained from just the "dumbness" of individual reporters either, because, and here is the kicker, Ron Paul would be making the media money if they featured him prominantly.  That's right, if they gave hi more time, more people would tune in, and thus revenue would increase.

Corporations are always all about the money.  This is why Ron Paul's shunning is amazing.  Never before has the main stream had a political agenda that runs counter to making them money.  Big Brother is truely watching us, and trying to mess with our opinions.

Ron Paul- Taxes and the Fed:

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:27 | 1865996 RiverRoad
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The MSM aka their advertisers are scared to death of Ron Paul.  The Fortune 500/Banksters will have a much harder time victimizing the American people with Ron Paul in the Whitehouse.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:36 | 1866044 redpill
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They didn't like the poll results so they took it down. What a bunch of pricks. I'm not even going to watch CNBC for perverse entertainment anymore.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:32 | 1866013 DaveyJones
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that's the old world when journalism existed. The new world is an ever decreasing number of ever growing media corporations which dominate and control the information you receive in vertical monopolies and co govern the people. A little different than the framers' vision.   

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:43 | 1866075 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Usually they kill two birds- Dancing with the Stars makes money and it keeps the masses on the status quo drug that is TV and its mezmorizing capability).  The 2000 and 2004 elections gave the same effect; people were either on the blue team or read team.  Now, like when Perot ran, we have an alternative the the media's Hegelian Dialectic, and so the media will throw away revenue just to keep their agenda in line.  It is a truely amazing phenomenon.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:33 | 1865762 logically possible
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Trav, Exactly, and last election it was the MaCain pile.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:32 | 1866027 Dr. Acula
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Hmph. McCain the TARP supporter. Basically no different from Bush or Obama.

"We do not support government bailouts of private institutions. Government interference in the markets exacerbates problems in the marketplace and causes the free market to take longer to correct itself" -



Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:34 | 1866040 DaveyJones
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McCain, the S&L immunizer

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:41 | 1866066 RiverRoad
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McCain, the navy guy defense industry shill.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:18 | 1866023 RiverRoad
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Actually the MSM's advertisers  (Oligarchy/Banksters) who control the MSM have already decided who the GOP candidate will be.  Or they think they have...

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:06 | 1865620 DeltaDawn
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MDB, please note our country is broke. We cannot afford to support you and your sorry-assed friends. My advice to you: marry a farmer's daughter and hope they don't ask you to help around the place and that their crops don't fail. Learn to hunt, no free meals without tools, skills and lots of effort. Yes, we have all been screwed by the globalists but socialism is for weanies.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:09 | 1865640 Pladizow
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Its called sarcasm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:35 | 1865768 KinorSensase
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I miss your old avatar already.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:13 | 1866241 Tsunami Wave
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Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:13 | 1865653 MillionDollarBonus_
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That's not true. America is NOT broke. If we just raise taxes on GREEDY corporations to 90%, we will be able to pay for ALL of the welfare spending and more. Do the math!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:19 | 1865684 Troy Ounce
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Yeah..yeah..and a free BMW for all. Bitches!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:45 | 1865808 FEDbuster
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It will be a re-born Chevy Chevette Hybrid from Government Motors in blue (no other colors available).  Price fixed at $2,999.  All other imported cars (no domestic competitors) will pay a 1000% excise tax and will be unable to fill up at the price fixed government filling stations which offer a corn alcohol fuel that powers only GM Chevette Hybrid at a subsidized cost of $1/gal. (true cost with farm subsidies $10/gal).

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:01 | 1865902 optimator
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It won't be a re-born Chevette,  It'll look like a Trabant and you had better remember to add the oil to the gas! 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:19 | 1866267 A Nanny Moose
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Trabbies Bitchez!!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 13:24 | 1866543 FEDbuster
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The new Chevette will be Government Motors answer to the Trabant.  It will be a hybrid with a fucked up electrical system designed by a former English automotive engineer.  The batteries will come from China, safety equipment from India, body and frame Mexico and assembled by former Ron Paul supporters in a FEMA re-education camp supervised by drunk and high UAW workers.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:21 | 1865696 Spastica Rex
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Eat the poor: they taste just like chicken.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:38 | 1866050 DaveyJones
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with just a hint of spotted owl

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:48 | 1866096 RiverRoad
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And better do it quick before they all come home to roost....

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 16:04 | 1867316 DeltaDawn
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90%tax => corporations leave => no jobs => no tax base => no government handouts.

Only the crony corporations don't pay taxes. Most do.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:21 | 1865698 bankruptcylawyer
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i was laughing all the way.

banning cds however is not satire cds, or other bets on failure are part of how the securitization bubble got out of hand .

im not arguing for banning cds, which is essentially an unregulated corporate life insurance policy, but i think you need mark to market accounting and 20% reserve requirements and a maximum cap on the size of banks and of course, glass steagal.

there is meaningful work to be done in this area so the satire of # 1 would be lost on most people.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:38 | 1866320 FrankDrakman
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Sorry, your solution is worse than the disease. More regulation, more bogus accounting, more artificial and arbitrary restrictions.

It's really simple: LET THE MOFO'S WHO MAKE TOO MANY OF THESE BETS FAIL WHEN THE BETS GO WRONG. Nothing would get firms to manage their books more carefully, make sure they're actually hedged, and keep their leverage down to manageable levels than knowing that they WON'T be bailed out, that they WILL be sued, that they WILL lose their jobs and bonuses, and that they MIGHT go to jail.

In other words, LET CAPITALISM WORK, and throw out this wretched crony system where the connected can thumb their noses at the rules, and the rest of us pay for it.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 11:50 | 1879285 bankruptcylawyer
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yes, this is what greenspan said. and then warren buffet said unregulated derivatives were weapons of mass destruction. 


while no one will argue with you about letting failure take its course

you have no basic understanding of the incentives and nature of financial instruments. you do not allow people to possess rockets with guidance systems ( missiles as theyre known)---because they are a huge threat . this is why the possession and supply chain of missile parts fuel, and designs are tracked and regulated by the military. 


you dont need missiles as an american who wants to protect himself from the government. you need a gun fine. same reasoning goes for atom bombs, etc.....

you see, this is why the life insurance industry is also regulated. you cannot go around selling and cheating people by taking their money with no real intention or possibility of ever paying them back. that is why life insurance is SUCH a shady financial instrument, that and it provides an incentive to kill someone. google some stuff about the vatical 3rd party broker business in life insurance you'll learn something about 'unrestrained capitalism'-----unrestrained social behavior leads to the promotion of anti-social abusive behavior by those willing to use it to deceive their fellow man. and while i'm a liberty minded person, you're naive if you don't think the first thing the hucksters will tell you is that there is no need for you to worry about them. it is a chicken and egg game--an arms race--a prisoners dillema---

the only society that functinos is one where honest people are trying to stop the dishonest sometimes and where the psychopaths are stopped from 'regulating' everything. it's a tough balance. but if you think derivatives in their current form can be part of this balance, you're nuts. 

read your history , learn about securitization and the history of the 30 year mortgage. certain financial products are almost fraudulent by nature. just like certain medicines are actually poisons but in small doses can cure certain problems.. 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:34 | 1865461 Pladizow
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You continuously forget to end with "Sarcasm off".

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:13 | 1865654 FEDbuster
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If these "goals" were in the form of a questionaire or poll of #OWS people, I bet you would get a 70-80% agreement.  That is the reality of the "occupy movement".  The Country is on the verge of going full retard, if  something drastic doesn't happen soon to change the economy.  We may get the re-boot that people have been predicting, but what comes on the other side is anyone's guess.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:18 | 1865677 Fazzie
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He dosent forget, the sarcasm is always "on"!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:35 | 1868199 smiler03
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But [at this time] 139 ZH ers haven't realised the sarcasm is always "on". They either don't remember MDB's posts are default /sarc on or don't understand sarcasm. Some re-education is required I think.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:38 | 1865478 the not so migh...
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SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY!!! , they don't have a candidate yet

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:41 | 1865485 LawsofPhysics
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You forgot a few;

6) Gaurranteed infinite growth of all economies and endless availability of cheap energy resources.

7) Make it illegal for rain to fall on weekends.

8)  Make plate technonics and evolution illegal, no more bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics or cancer cells becoming resistant to chemotherapy agents.

9) In general outlaw all acts or limitations imposed by Nature and the laws of physics on general well-being of humanity.

Love the sarcasm/satire, keep practicing.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:35 | 1865605 DOT
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 Congress must repeal the Laws of Physics; free energy for the people!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:36 | 1865775 KinorSensase
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hehehehe.  thank you for that comment.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:00 | 1865899 Citxmech
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Isn't there an app for that yet?

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:31 | 1866025 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Energy would be free if oil companies were not suppressing the breakthroughs in perpetual motion and water burning engines, and government keeping the alien energy technology they have at area 51 secret.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 15:24 | 1867120 XitSam
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Don't forget to have them repeal the Laws of Mathematics. Think of how simple things will be when Pi = 3.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:06 | 1865618 wisefool
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10) Aliens will arrive, and humanity will unify to fight them off. We will first get them to finance the invasion and the rebellion, wiping out all debt. Then we will win several televised battles against a space traveling race with some EPIC acts of physical heroism (america fuck yeah)

11) But most importantly,we will defeat them with the cutural and economic genious of our Ivy League clergy. Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman shall be Obama's 5 star general. CNBC will cover the war 24x7.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:54 | 1866136 RiverRoad
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Making their advertisers very rich and batshit happy.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 13:04 | 1866475 wisefool
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Right out of starship troopers. "Would you like to know more?"

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 15:25 | 1867129 XitSam
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That's the movie.  The book is recommended.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:41 | 1865489 markt61
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It certainly must be late for a minute I thought you might be serious.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:42 | 1865494 SilverIsKing
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Thanks for the laugh.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:46 | 1865511 Robot Traders Mom
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ZH is the wrong spot to push your bullshit.

Beat it, nerd.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:56 | 1865562 NotApplicable
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Nearly everywhere else it would be taken for gospel.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:47 | 1866063 Max Fischer
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How can you be so incredibly dense that you can't recognize the sarcasm and satire of MDB?  Does everything need to be spelled out for you in /sarc and \sarc format?


Max Fischer, Civis Mundi


Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:30 | 1866292 Isotope
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This may be an example of Poe's Law at work.

As for me, I can't tell if he's being facetious or is just the biggest troll on the board.

"Any sufficiently advanced troll is indistinguishable from a genuine kook."

This may just be a guy who is so good, he's a 10/10 on all of his posts. Check for that hook in the back of your mouth.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:51 | 1865542 MolotovCockhead
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And fuck those dreaming of million dollars bonus!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:09 | 1865638 infotechsailor
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4. Triple the minimum wage to boost living standards




What about the living standards of every small business in the country? anyone who isn't worth more than $20/ hour to their company would be fired immediately, you have no understanding of economics.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:14 | 1865655 bxy
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Congrats, are the biggest douche on this board.......and that is saying something.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:37 | 1865779 Nothing To See Here
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MDB, I always have a good time reading your satire, but this time you had me LMAO with

3. A guaranteed government job for all unemployed Americans

4. Triple the minimum wage to boost living standards

Keep it up buddy

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:47 | 1865822 undercover brother
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Where do you get the drugs you're obviously using....zucotti park?

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:53 | 1865848 RoiBoi
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"5. BAN all imported goods that compete with AMERICAN exports to boost our manufacturing base"


This one brought a wry grin to my face.  Thanks MDB, I needed that. 

That so many here don't appreciate MDB's skills is both perplexing and sad.

Tip of my First Post Hat to the Colbert of ZH. 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:01 | 1866174 moonman
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You forgot to mention a 5 bedroom house for all regardless of income.

Also .35 a gallon gasoline for their taxpayer funded SUV

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:25 | 1866282 trembo slice
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MillonDollarBonus keeps getting worse and worse... you know as much about economics as my dog.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:37 | 1866319 Carl Spackler
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Million dollar bonus, 

You forgot #6... sit on your behind and do nothing like the entitled European socialists and watch your whole fantasy world collapse upon itself. 

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 05:45 | 1868359 Al Gorerhythm
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Ahhahahahahahahhahah. We have an international failure of the greatest socialiast experiment in the history of society and you propose .......... more socialism. ahahahahahahahahahahah.

You're funny.

True fuckwitism believer. Kumbaiyah comrade, kumbiayah.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:40 | 1865484 Crash N. Burn
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Don't forget the Fox news propaganda network (CPAC video):

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:05 | 1865616 Seer
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But but... FOX News is Fair and Balanced!

Sorry, folks, but this is the reason why I no longer waste any of my energies on political campaigns.  TPTB always get their politician: anything other than status quo need not apply.  "money = free speech" means that those with the money get to speak more.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:22 | 1865707 Gavrikon
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Don't watch it, myself.  But I DO like Judge Napolitano.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 13:49 | 1866634 RockyRacoon
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True enough.  Judge Neopolitan (I like ice cream) is about as libertarian as you'll get on the tele-viewing-machine.

As for Dr. Paul, what I don't get is why the RNC doesn't run him as their tier 1 candidate!  He is of an age where he will never hold another public office, and therefore sacrificed without worrying about incumbency; he will begin to bring the system into line with its historic roots and mission; he will be at the helm when the major turds begin to hit the fan; and, he can be blamed for all this with impunity!   He's the perfect patsy.   On the other hand, such a blatant attempt to game the system could be seen through like a sheer nighty.   They could be running this current crop of losers to make Dr. Paul look like the genius that he actually is.  Oooh, those crafty Republicans! 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 15:34 | 1867168 XitSam
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Libertarian on TV?  John Stossel.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:39 | 1865792 GCT
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Seer Fox did the same dam thing.  Ron Paul was winning the online straw pool and they took it down!  They too are just patsies on the other side of the fence.  None of them are fair and balanced LOLOL!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:09 | 1865939 FMR Bankster
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Fox HATES Ron Paul. Only a mainstream corporate candidate will do.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:02 | 1866183 RiverRoad
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Fox's advertisers hate Ron Paul.  The talking head puppets do and say what they're told.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:03 | 1866166 RiverRoad
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"TPTB always get their politician."  Always?  Truman was a big surprise.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 13:09 | 1872176 forexskin
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"TPTB always get their politician."  Always?  Truman was a big surprise.

Not so. They got immediate recognition of Isreal upon his election - quid pro quo for the last chunk of over the top election $.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:45 | 1865812 Reform1776
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Simple Solution: ZeroHedge should add a poll, allowing its readers to vote on who won each debate.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:35 | 1865466 ATM
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I watch every morning that Kernan is on so I canwatch Andrew Ross Sorkin soil his pink underwear each time Kernan jabs him to defend his communist leanings. He can't and you can see the pain as he tries to hold back the turtle hea. At some point the whole turd is going to come plowing out of his ass and I want to see it live!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:06 | 1865617 israhole
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You probably like pro wrestling, too.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:52 | 1865840 Let them all fail
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Fuck that, I refuse to watch CNBC, you should too

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:40 | 1866059 Tramp Stamper
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ZERO HEDGE TV?  The new internet tv station for the best live financial news that tells the truth about the markets around the world

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:12 | 1866235 RiverRoad
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+ 1,000,000

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 17:26 | 1867737 Let them all fail
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Thought about that the other day, great idea, would be like a FoxNews of truth where "Tyler" sets the truth agenda and the anchors do as their told.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:43 | 1868222 smiler03
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Mustn't forget the hot chicks with 175 layers of make-up as presenters.... but.... maybe not, viewers wouldn't know which channel they were watching. [I talk of European Bloomberg & CNBC].

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:16 | 1865961 RiverRoad
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< Let them all fail>  They watch us; we watch them back.  That's all.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:52 | 1866122 eureka
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Invalid Motivation - if you must watch CNBC's garbage propaganda to be "informed" about their predictable spins and lies, then watch it in snippets online.

Any zerohedger who watches CNBC supports their ratings and thus ad revenue generation and tax-evading, pseudo-bank, scumbag parent company GE and thus corporatism, elitism, and the fascist/corporatist and national-socialist US Empire, which exists solely for the elite - i.e. the upper few thousand people, who own nearly everything.

Extricate yourself. Passive peeping into the elite's circus macabre via their channels - is equal to culpability.

How many German's said after the nazi reign "we couldn't do anything" or "we didn't know" - well, today that question is irrelevant, because there are no excuses.


Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:23 | 1865402 Raskolnikoff
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Why the Republican Party continues to enable the Democratic Media Establishments to control public debates is beyond reason. Hello Republican Party Chairman, we have the internet now and talk radio...we don't need televised debates controlled and steared by the opposition.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:28 | 1865427 WonderDawg
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You don't get it. The Repubs and Dems are owned by the same masters. Wake up.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:42 | 1865493 LawsofPhysics
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Most do not want to wake up, they want to be entertained and taken care of.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:16 | 1865952 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Talking about being awake, has everyone else noticed how when Paul speaks, the rest of the candidates take mental notes.  Watch a clip, Paul demands more attention and respect from the other candidates than anyone.  That right there tells you who is the leader of the group.  It is Ron Paul.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:44 | 1865503 orangedrinkandchips
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VERY little difference between them both....both are shit-bags

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:47 | 1865522 Nascent_Variable
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Exactly.  And this is why they will never allow Ron Paul the airtime he needs to spread his message.

TPTB have spent a long time and a fortune in resources to build the narrative that everyone buys - Republicans are pro-business and Democrats are pro-poor people.  In reality, both parties are simple tools of the same masters.  They are entities that exist to put on a show and convince people that they have some say in how the world works.

Ron Paul challenges all that, but he needs people to listen to him to get through years of partisan programming.  He will not be given that chance in the Republican primary.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:30 | 1866293 RiverRoad
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There's always Springtime in America.  The internet can make the MSM redundant.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:13 | 1865644 Dapper Dan
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 We have had enough lawyers in the white house over the last hundred years.

Let's put a doctor in this time around, someone who can heal, has empathy, compassion, and the ability to write prescriptions to help sedate congress.

I think I have a new bumper sticker.


Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:01 | 1865894 i-dog
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I've got a better one:



Thu, 11/10/2011 - 15:07 | 1867026 Plata con Carne
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Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:14 | 1865657 Seer
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Sad how "enlightened voters" think that they're awake when they're really just programmed to believe they are (and to pull the appropriate lever).

All gets old, listening to the same broken record as to how the liberal/conservative media is manipulating things and that if people only run to the other side of the trap, er a, boat that all would be corrected.

Fucking tools!

I really like Ron Paul (supported him in the past, and do so in spirit today [my new-found religion doesn't permit me to engage in politics]), but he's NOT PTB material, he's therefore not going to "save" us all: yup, we're doomed to rinse and repeat up until we get it that it's the fucking System! (that's where power is, and where power will control us all until we get it through our thick skulls that power doesn't compromise, that our only options are to either become that power we hate, or we disallow the formation of power outright [NO GOVT]).

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 15:15 | 1867067 mahalopamala
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As a constituient and supporter of Dr. Ron Paul, I strongly believe in his message.  I appreciate the viewpoint that he is not our "savior".  I am not ignorant enough to believe that one person could be elected and change the way the big boys/ control freaks run the corrupt government. 

 The biggest strength Dr. Paul gives us is his truthfulness and consistency of his message and beliefs.  When folks wake up and start listening to truth and common sense and realize we are being strangled by federal gov/corporate cabal- and work to end the corrupt system- then that is when Dr. Paul has WON!!!!


Fri, 11/11/2011 - 02:34 | 1869148 Ben Dover
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Maybe that could be their new slogan - 

"America's Two Party System
A Leisure Time Service of Your Financial  Services Industry"

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:45 | 1865504 longonSpam
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Ohmagawd my eyes have been opened to the evil of the Communists at Comcast! Thank you thank you thank you!!

I need better drugs

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:45 | 1865507 Kina
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Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:24 | 1865405 Azannoth
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I only know what the 'MSM' is saying when I read posts like this on ZH :D

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:34 | 1865462 doggings
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best contrarian indicator out there, plus it's soooo fucking funny. 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:42 | 1865492 Taterboy
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But, but, Becky cumming back tomorrow and and she'll show us the bathtub ducky Uncle Warren gave her!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:09 | 1865641 Beatscape
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Speak for yourself. I turned off CNBS about 6 years ago--makes me puke. I never watch it--it screws up my trading. I just watch my charts and streaming quotes, and read ZH (#1),, Bloomberg, Investors Village, Google Finance and I do read the WSJ.

The only way I would watch CNBS is if it was the 'Rick Santelli channel', and he was the only commentator.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:26 | 1865729 holdbuysell
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Remember: it's important to keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 20:24 | 1868322 monoloco
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The useless corporate media ignores Ron Paul yet reports every word that comes out of the mouth of the completely irrelevant Michelle Bachman.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:21 | 1865389 paarsons
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I'm fucking crazy.

But Cain, Perry, and Bachman have completely shit the bed.

Furthermore, most Americans aren't going to vote for a Morman.  They'd rather have a black man.

So Paul and Gingrich REALLY have a shot.

One's a sincere genius.  The other is an evil genius.

Either way, they're both better than Obama.

Things are looking up.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:31 | 1865438 disabledvet
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what's a Morman? Is that kind of like Piltdown Man?

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:57 | 1865569 Kilgore Trout
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I think they're the weird cannibalistic underground dwellers in 'The Time Machine'.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:25 | 1865725 Gavrikon
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I don't think his Mormonism is the problem.  I believe it is because he is an asshat.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:35 | 1865766 kaiserhoff
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Romney can't get above 25% in the polls.  That's because he is a RINO.  Republican in Name Only.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:35 | 1866306 RiverRoad
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Romney should try going "through the eye of a needle" and save himself some dough.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:59 | 1865887 Ruffcut
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I'd vote for the geico caveman. At least when they want to write stoopid bankster side laws, he would have to scratch it into a wall of rock. That would keep him busy as to not fucking up so quickly.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:51 | 1866389 pupton
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"Mermen are mythical male equivalents of mermaidslegendary creatures who have the form of a human from the waist up and are fish-like from the waist down."

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:20 | 1865391 Comay Mierda
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the stupid polls dont matter. its the electronic voting machines we should be concerned about. the results can be hacked very easily

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:45 | 1865509 SilverIsKing
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A real concern but not necessarily hacked, just falsified.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:24 | 1865713 Seer
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And who owns the code to these things???

Anywho... I had some involvement in nixing these things in my State.  Funny that the campaign to protect this obvious point of manipulation came by way of getting people to believe that a "paper trail" could protect voters.  You could program a machine to report a different vote but you couldn't have it alter a printout?  People just aren't very smart: and I'm talking about hardcore political folks (yeah, now I know better- I detest them in all their shapes and sizes).

Ah, the good old days in which I actually thought that the System was fixable (didn't realize that it operated just as always intended).

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:23 | 1865400 I think I need ...
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he will break up the status quo and current system....thats what the powers that be want the current manipulated system even if gold is revalued whoever will keep the system as is as much as possible and yes MSM is handpicking the candidates. Who knows maybe Goldman Sachs is hiring these women to come out against cain. Who knows...

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:17 | 1865379 Seasmoke
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the Truth

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:26 | 1865412 Unprepared
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Yesterday, after I voted in the poll and the result was displayed, RP was first at 33% followed by Romney at 22%.

CNBC however had a serious issue with the visual presentation. The bars indicating % for both candidates were exactly of the same length while every other candidate's % bar length was proportional to Romney's. Example:

R. Paul   ------------------------------ 33%

Romney ------------------------------ 22%

Cain      ----------------------------   21%

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:15 | 1865951 malalingua
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Here is a screen shot of Ron Paul at 66% before they took down the poll.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 15:18 | 1867085 mahalopamala
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I certainly like your handle and your profile picture is very handsome!


Thu, 11/10/2011 - 19:26 | 1868172 malalingua
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"I am very complimented".  Derrick Zoolander

The pic is of Dr. Paul

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 13:48 | 1866504 pupton
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@Unprepared - MSNBC did the exact same thing!  Paul with 29.7% has a line equal in length to Caint and Romney at 22%.  The rest are all proportional.  What gives?

Ron Paul   29.7% (11,686 votes) Herman Cain   22% (8,642 votes) Mitt Romney   21.8% (8,576 votes) Newt Gingrich   15.2% (5,963 votes) Jon Huntsman   5.4% (2,132 votes) Rick Perry   2.8% (1,119 votes) Michele Bachmann   1.7% (651 votes) Rick Santorum  
Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:34 | 1865463 nedwardkelly
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They are scared of less airtime for 'front runner' rick 'GWBIII' Perry

Dumbass doesn't even know his own platform

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:07 | 1865625 Whoa Dammit
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The MSM are definatley scared of Ron Paul.

But so is the GOP-if the GOP wasn't scared of him, the rest of the talking buffons on stage would not constantly be co-opting his ideas.

You can even see Romney watching Ron Paul closely when Ron Paul actually gets to answer a question. Then Romney will later rephrase Ron Paul's response as if it was his own idea.

The GOP knows that Ron Paul's platform is what the people want, but the GOP also knows they can't control him.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:37 | 1865785 SpeakerFTD
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Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:15 | 1865662 SwingForce
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Well, when only 6,000 people watched the show, then........

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 11:34 | 1866030 RiverRoad
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MSM:  Be afraid; be very afraid.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:13 | 1865364 HedgeFun
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+1 gazillion.  Great post

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:15 | 1865365 RemiG2010
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I hate Ron Paul! He will never be a president!

Now counting all vortes down!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:19 | 1865387 Pig Brotha
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Hey nitwit, if you are going to show your political stupidity by making such a statement  you may want to spell check before doing so.

vortes - dumb fuck

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:25 | 1865409 RemiG2010
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He is too old for the job! He has no political expirience at all!  He has no clue about economics, how FED really works! He has no clue about fractional reserve system and his argument about M1 during debate was laughable.  He will never be a president! NEVER!!!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:32 | 1865446 disabledvet
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6' 4" if you include the afro, eh?

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:40 | 1865795 RemiG2010
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.... but he has real chance of becoming THE President!!!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:33 | 1865449 tarsubil
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I can imagine some shadowy oligarch screaming this desperately at one of his underlings.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:39 | 1865450 RemiG2010
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Just twenty two votes down? You are as pathetic as RP is! Is that all you can do?!!!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:46 | 1865513 s2man
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First good laugh, this morning. Thanks.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:57 | 1865547 RemiG2010
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Ok! You passed my test! You people are LEGIT!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:33 | 1865454 Jayda1850
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wow a troll that gives milliondollar bonus a run for his money.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:33 | 1865456 Jayda1850
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wow a troll that gives milliondollar bonus a run for his money.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:34 | 1865458 Max Hunter
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You're funny.. for a second.. I thought you were serious..

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:34 | 1865460 JPM Hater001
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Someone get the gun.  Let's shoot this one and then cling to our religion.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:48 | 1865523 PaperBear
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Ron Paul knows full well that the privately owned non-Federal non-Reserve is all about stealing wealth from the general public.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 12:39 | 1865692 RemiG2010
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@Pig Brotha

Sorry for that typo, but my first post shows how big and broad support even here at ZH Paul really has! All other GOP candidates should take that under consideration.


PS Second entry "expirience" - dumb unicorn. That's the negative effect of multitasking. I promise to improve!


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