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Submitted by Simon Black from Sovereign Man

Brainwashing Starts With This Two-Letter Word

The big news out of New York City these days is Mayor Mike Bloomberg’s proposed ban on the sale of soda drinks over 16-ounces (about 1/2 liter) at restaurants, movie theaters, sports stadia, street carts, fast food chains, etc.
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Bloomberg stressed that we have a responsibility to combat obesity, diabetes, and heart disease, and that the government must consequently regulate what people can/cannot put in their bodies. Michelle Obama even came down to applaud the idea.

Last night I was out with a group of friends at a chic Soho restaurant called the Dutch, and we started talking about the soda ban.

One of them defended it, saying that ‘we’ have a responsibility to do something about the obesity problem in this country.

“Excuse me,” I asked, “but who exactly is ‘we’…? I certainly didn’t come into this world born with a burden prevent obesity. And I’m pretty sure nobody else signed up for it either.”

‘We’ is one of the most dangerous words in the English language, particularly when bandied about in Western representative democracy.

It’s a term often used when a politician wants to thrust a burden or obligation onto everyone else’s shoulders, but without being too direct about it.

‘We’ masks responsibility by pushing the burden to some nebulous collective like ‘society’ or ‘the country’ rather than directly to individuals. This makes things much more palatable.

For example, it’s easier to say “We have a responsibility” rather than ”You three guys– Don, John, and Bill, have a responsibility.”

‘We’ is disarming. It makes the stakes seems smaller, so it’s easier to achieve buy-in. And this is what makes it so dangerous… because in actuality, ‘we’ is code for ‘you’.

I live my life by the principle that human beings come into this world born free, born without obligation to serve another human being, a government, some political construct bounded by invisible lines… and certainly not to ‘do something’ about the obesity problem.

Simultaneously, government is based on the principle of awarding a small handful of individuals a set of powers that no human being should wield– the power to kill. The power to steal. The power to wage war. The power to control what we put in our own bodies.

Throughout our lives, governments use these powers to create artificial obligations and reduce the natural freedom that we were born with. It’s so commonplace that most people have simply become accustomed to it… hence only 30% opposition to the soda ban.

Such policies, however, fall on a very slippery slope. When government begins regulating X, the regulation of Y and Z will follow by extension.

This is how frogs are brought to a boil– slowly, deliberately, gradually, and grounded in good intentions. The real question is whether you want to be trapped in the same pot as everyone else.

Needless to say, the rest of the conversation didn’t go especially well; we debated endlessly over several bottles of wine, after which I reached an obvious conclusion:

People will either see the light for themselves, or they’ll become victims. Trying to change their minds is fruitless.


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Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:14 | 2499934 CharlieSDT
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Whatever.  The whole obesity problem in America starts with these retarded federal subsidies for corn, so regulating against sugar soda is actually a case a states' rights issue, trying to make the food industry pay its share of the destructive effects of injecting HFCS into everything and making Americans a bunch of disgusting fatasses.  

Everywhere I go in America they’re there, mountainous creatures waddling down the street armed with their XXL Big and Tall outfits, burritos in hand, with gargantuan partners and morbidly obese children drinking Super Big Gulps filled with sugar soda.  Sweating through their pits at the slightest effort and mouth breathing like some woolly mammoth out of Ice Age, these disgusting creatures are everywhere and it is only getting worse.  This is an epidemic that is to America what AIDS is to Africa.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:14 | 2499948 Vagabond
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Its a case of two wrongs taking a right, there is no right being made.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:19 | 2499960 The Big Ching-aso
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I would guess Bloomberg weighs about 130lbs.  That represents about 2,080 oz of bullshit that should be regulated.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:26 | 2499998 hedgeless_horseman
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I garden.

I farm.

I run.

You do as you so desire with your body.

We should have nothing to do with it.


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:33 | 2500038 jekyll island
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End the Fed.  Pretty much takes care of the problem. 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:36 | 2500058 LawsofPhysics
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Wrong, the perps would still manipulate whatever system was put in place.

End the moral hazard, prosecute the fucking fraud and hold the Fed and everyone else ACCOUNTABLE for their crimes.  Nothing changes until the rule of law is re-established.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:44 | 2500117 U6 Alabamian
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Well, if they were in jail they would be stuck with manipulating the contraband trade.  I'd prefer that over them manipulating the country.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:55 | 2500179 Precious
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Biden just spoke on CNN.  It's Bush's fault.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:08 | 2500241 55 men
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Taking 4 ounces away will definitely solve the problem.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:25 | 2500326 tekhneek
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Yeah. This just gets more and more ridiculou as the days go by doesn't it?

What's next? 1 soda per person, per day? How do they even expect this to work?

Go to the store... buy a 3 liter of soda... pour it in a 44oz cup...

Now what? What are they going to blame when people continue getting fatter because they eat like fucking pigs? Too much... sunshine? Bad air?

Let's face it, if you're fat, it's because you eat liek shit and you don't exercise. It's fairly simple unless you have a documented medical condition that prevents, and or makes it hard to lose weight like hyper thyroidism or whatever but most fatches just use that as an excuse. I have a friend who claims he has that, but has no documented medical proof and no medicine for it and is fat as shit.

Can't be the 3 sodas/day combined with every fast food meal possible on a daily basis.

Each time this kind of crap happens I say to myself, "can't get much dumber than that" and then they come out with this.

I'm running out of breath here.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:29 | 2500353 mophead
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I live my life by the principle that human beings come into this world born free, born without obligation to serve another human being, a government, some political construct bounded by invisible lines…


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:42 | 2500408 CharlieSDT
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Actually, studies show that serving size has a huge effect on what someone eats/ drinks.  If plates and cups were smaller, people would eat and drink less, this has been conclusively proven.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:18 | 2500503 hedgeless_horseman
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Actually, studies show that the size of the hole in one's lip plate has a huge effect on what someone eats/ drinks. If lip plate holes were smaller, people would eat and drink less, this has also been conclusively proven.


As a side note, this woman was interviewed and photographed outside her local UBS office moving her money out of Euros and into, "hunghing hhafer,"...that being the pot on her head.  When asked why she felt the Euro was no longer a safe currency, she was quoted as saying, "Ah hwhhr ha hu huurhan hanks har hot hell hahihhuhlhizzz."

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:18 | 2500547 AnAnonymous
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Any illustration of lip plate and the size of the hole that leads to overweighted and obese US citizens?

This one is already large and this negro woman is not obese or overweighted.

Maybe US citizens have solved the issue by getting rid of the plate and using only their throat hole as the limitation to their gluttony.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:21 | 2500556 CharlieSDT
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Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:22 | 2500768 jus_lite_reading
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Really, who gives a shit what you drink except your own mother. And mom always said, "don't drink Coke, it causes cancer..." who woulda thunk she was 100% correct? 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:02 | 2500964 Calmyourself
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Don't you have to make your bed in the Foxconn dorm or weed your lice patty??

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 19:11 | 2501373 The Alarmist
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By Bloomberg's logic, we should ban the Bloomberg terminal because it enables the sort of bad finanicial behaviour that led to the Global Financial Crisis. It's full of MBS data and other toxic crap.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:37 | 2501838 kiwidor
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that negro woman is a fine specimen.  wonder if she'd let me into her house for some affectionate carnality? :)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:56 | 2500856 Cathartes Aura
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the titty photo badge posting rights passing from Robo & Leo to you HH - yours appear more "politically correct" but really, you're just using tits to make your point, nothing more, just less.

currying favour with the majority demographic here. . .

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 18:49 | 2501315 nmewn
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Leo & Robo posted saggy titted African women with dishes in their lips?

And I missed it ;-)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 23:51 | 2502145 Cathartes Aura
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no, both Leo and Robo have their flavours of titty pics, thus their "uniqueness" is intact - but it's all about scoring points with the lads, as the text is rarely related to the tits.

it's like the avatars of body parts that are so beloved here - dudes bonding with dudes over tits, etc. - it's quite a laugh when you're, oh, say, 13 - but it should lose it's appeal once you're of age to reproduce. . . daughters.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 06:48 | 2502676 nmewn
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Well, I thought he was discussing dishes in the lip cutting down on calorie intake...not titties. You see two titties, many others saw one dish in the lip (and the tattoo scarring).

Anyways, guys (real guys) don't look at their daughters the way you more than a mother would look that way at her son.

But we're dangerously close to the discussion of real men & women we better drop it :-)

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 14:57 | 2504916 Cathartes Aura
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riiiiight, the majority gazed at the pic and went from plated-lips to belly scarring - didn't see the woman's breasts at all.

and my reference to daughters was the "aha" moment that occurs to some fathers, that the way they have "seen" women before is the way some other men will look at his daughter, and for some, that's a strong feeling of awareness, of how the culture sexualises humans, even young humans, even daughters.

not all fathers, just some - and they may go on to stop joking about "rape" when they remember their daughter (and wife, sisters, etc.), they may not see pornography in the same way when they think of their daughters. . . may.

and sure, no need to argue "real" - everyone's got a definition, as already proved.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 18:47 | 2505611 nmewn
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I didn't mean to say they didn't see them...but I'm quite sure the vast majority didn't concentrate/ogle them...I damned sure didn'

I don't know about "the aha" moment...most "real men" I know look to protect & cherish women at all costs. And no one "jokes" about rape Cat, including me...(obviously an allusion to one of our past discussions).

Toward that last discussion, for me to acknowlege that it happens (to both men & women) is not a joke...its just a statement of fact...if the victim doesn't report it or kill the fucker who did it (during or after), what does that say about the victim? me, that they are weak and docile...perhaps I can't accept the fact that they don't or won't  fight back for themselves because of how I was raised and who I am now...maybe, if so, guilty as charged...I do have strong convictions of right & wrong and they don't always involve "law & order" dished out by a court system. 

But we've already plowed this ground and at some point you're going to have to accept the fact that all women (just like all men) are not as strong willed & independent as you or I.  

The lady (pardon my outdated chivalry?) will get the last word here between you and I ;-)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:53 | 2500451 55 men
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Awesome rant....totally agree.....i believe my favorite excuse of people is, "its genetics" ass

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:00 | 2500480 55 men
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This is not about being fat, i could give a rats ass if someone chooses to be over weight. I am happy for ya if thats what you want to do but i choose to be healthy so QUIT TAKING MY RIGHTS AWAY FOR WANTING WHAT I FEEL IS BETTER FOODS FOR MY BODY. Asshole government!

This rant was directed at nobody other then the dumbass government.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:26 | 2500576 williambanzai7
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You are right, it's not about fatties, it's about fat heads.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:36 | 2500841 Totentänzerlied
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disregarding the truth, in whole or in part, does not make it go away

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:36 | 2500381 I am a Man I am...
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Where I live most everywhere has free refills.  This is really the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard in my life.  How do stupid fucking people rise to the top?  How did Bloomberg get to where he is and have shit like this come out of his mouth?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:56 | 2500181 Theta_Burn
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Good one Mr. Black, expert play on paranoia here at the Hedge....

Does anyone really think Mike Bloomberg gives a shit about fat slobs and how much soda they drink?

You think the soda manufacturers would be squealing more than some of these posters....but not a peep.

You still have the right to buy 2 sodas AT THE SAME TIME TWITS, if they banned that well now you have a beef, oh and just be prepaired to pay more for the smaller portion, and don't forget the +TAX to, which Bloomberg and the state of NY will accept dispite his concern for the soda junkies.

No, just a slow sound-bite day for Mr. Bloomberg who just increased the tax on soda without increasing the tax on soda....

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:29 | 2500344 Believable-Hypocrite
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You still have the right to buy 2 sodas AT THE SAME TIME TWITS


Yes but how can they hold on to their Xtra large slice of pizza and their Snickers bar for dessert?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:49 | 2500435 beaker
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To manage this properly, everyone will have to give their social security number and a per ounce checkoff will be logged into the big fucking governmewnt data base which is monitoring evreything else you are doing or saying in your life. Sort of like putting your credit card in a gas pump - there is that pause until it identifies you, then it will come back and allow you your appropriate limits of soda pop. There willbe homeland security nearby to monitor that you are really not buying your soda pop for someone else who already reached their limit that day.  See, simple?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:31 | 2500819 mkkby
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But fat asses could cheat by paying cash and not having a SSN.  Blomberg should have proposed installing a device on everyone's mouth to measure the caloric intake, plus charge the appropriate tax on exhaled CO2.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:29 | 2500345 knightowl77
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Like everything else the Nanny state says, you have the right, until you don't...or the right is whatever THEY state it is

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:45 | 2500417 hedgeless_horseman
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It's a child 128 oz ThirstBuster not a choice!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:00 | 2500465 Cathartes Aura
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logic not your strong suit, eh lads?

if you want to equate "choosing" to drink chemical-sweetened-soda-water with having the CHOICE as to whether you will bring another human into the world that you bear the responsibility for, if you want to say that is an equivalent argument - and not some personal hatred you're carrying around for women. . .

go ahead.  doesn't make it truth tho'

force the pregnancy, and then who pays for the baby - will you also be passing MORE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS to enforce the raising of the baby. . . on who's dime, you genius(es)?  will there be even MORE laws added? more taxes to support the forced baby?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 19:25 | 2501418 prole
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I support any law that makes abortion legal and fully funded for you

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 22:10 | 2501928 pan-the-ist
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Did you know that Rape only applies to Vaginal penetration, otherwise it is sexual assault?  Rape can lead to unwanted pregnancies and abortions, therefore Rape is extra bad.  I say this, because in the case of Rape, abortion is absolutly justified.  A woamn should not be force to bear the child of someone who intentionally tries to get her pregant...

I think that anyone defending soft-drinks over 16 oz is an idiot.  Pure and simple.  It's like if someone found a plant that made women want to get raped and fed it to them, and we had an abortion epidemic... and then people complained when we made that plant illegal.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 23:55 | 2502157 Cathartes Aura
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you're carrying the bitterness of an old exchange of opinions a bit far, don't you think prole.

let it go, you'll be healthier for it - resentment rots the soul.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 18:42 | 2501298 Carbine
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Don't think logically here Knight. You'll confuse folks like CA who can't get past the abortion issue.  "Force the pregnancy" says it all.  Seems like someone made the choice initially (with rare exception which is a different matter of course). Whether smoking, soda, or children it's all about personal responsibility and the government should stay out of it. 

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 00:01 | 2502180 Cathartes Aura
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actually, it's not me that "can't get past the abortion issue" - it's the voters, of which I am not one, nor have I ever been.

I am merely trying to provoke a bit of critical thinking amongst those who vote, and cannot see the hypocrisy in calling themselves "libertarians" while advocating for laws that prevent a woman's right to make a decision relative to her personal circumstances and her own body.

and the fact that the law will only take into consideration the "egg bearer" and not the "sperm donor" - and the fact that no one has addressed the social consequences of law enforced pregnancies, some of which might be the result of rape or incest (which is far more common than any here want to acknowledge).

by the way, "some two" make the initial choice, only "some one" bears the responsibility and costs.  there is no immaculate conception.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 06:06 | 2502641 pan-the-ist
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Some day you will learn how the brain really works, then you will think twice about uttering nonsense like "personal responsibilty."

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:52 | 2500446 tmosley
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Reminds me of the low-flow toilet episode from King of the Hill.  This will wind up being catastrophically counterproductive.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:29 | 2500811 Totentänzerlied
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Who will do this prosecuting? The fully complicit and infinitely servile judicial branch, totally beholden to the other 2 branches?

Don't make me laugh.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:47 | 2500129 Sudden Debt
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Right on!
I stand on my scale every day.
I have set out a maximum weit for myself and I never go above it and if I do I cut down.
I go to the gym, run and swim to keep up up and even increase my condition.
But I don't really care what others do, it's what I like to do what makes me feel good.
And any nut who feels like drinking a liter of cola with 3 bags a chips and a dorito with dip on the side can do so as he pleases.... As long as he's not sitting next to me and making noises every 2 seconds :)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:43 | 2500643 pods
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I am shocked that you need to go to the gym!

Do you know how many calories you burn by merely waving your arms?


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:22 | 2500773 AnAnonymous
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I am shocked that you need to go to the gym!

Do you know how many calories you burn by merely waving your arms?


US citizen economics is all about consumption.

First, you produce too much food so that US citizens can eat lavishly like at orgies.

Then you point out that being soft on the edge is not that sexy.

Then you open a gym to help US citizens lose what they eat too much.

Activity. Consumption.

The way you want things to be when you aim at depleting resources.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:53 | 2501196 Cathartes Aura
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closed loop consumer system, supported by taxation, enabled by global enforced "access" to depleting resources.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 06:09 | 2502644 pan-the-ist
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It is not about the gym, it is the diabetes health maintenance which gets expensive.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:49 | 2500142 kekekekekekeke
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I admire you for all that, but you've got to recognize that we don't make choices in a vacuum.  You and I are lucky: someone, somewhere, taught us what food was.  What about those kiddos growing up on a diet of coca-cola and cheetoes and that's all they ever know? (you know school lunches aren't filling that void).  I just don't think the solution's quite as simple as HANDS OFF

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:59 | 2500202 jonan
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you are more than welcome to make that YOUR personal crusade, leave me and my money out of it...i have a hard enough time trying to educate my significant other let alone an entire group of people i have never met...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:53 | 2500674 kekekekekekeke
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lol,  I hear that ^_^ finally got my boyfriend off that coke zero shit.  What the fuck is it with dudes thinking that shit is "manly"?  nasty.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:17 | 2499961 CClarity
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Watch the documentary King Corn.  Fascinating - full of facts but presented in an entertaining way.  Hair analysis sure got my attention!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:33 | 2500039 jekyll island
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Super Size Me. 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:52 | 2500160 t_kAyk
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Food Inc.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 23:30 | 2502097 DaveyJones
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and Food Matters  and The Future of Food

Also take a look at book / study:  The China Study

My favorite moment in King Corn is when they get their blood analyzed

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:28 | 2500587 Matt
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Fat Head is an excellent documentary criticism of Super Size Me, which shows that some of the content in Super Size Me may be exaggerated, or otherwise manipulated for propaganda purposes.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:19 | 2499978 Ahmeexnal
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A devastating fire which gutted a crematorium in southern Austria was caused by an obese woman's excessive body fat blocking an air filter, Austrian public broadcaster ORF reported.

The fire occurred at the facility in the city of Graz in mid-April. Firefighters had trouble extinguishing the blaze due to a thick layer of insulation lining the crematorium's walls.

Austrian officials investigating the fire found that it was caused by the burning body of the 440-pound woman. The obese corpse reportedly led to overheating in the crematorium's filter system, triggering the blaze.

Other recent fires caused by the burning of obese bodies were reported in Germany and Switzerland.

Former Graz city fire chief Otto Widetschek said special crematoria for obese people should be set up in Austria to deal with the potential dangers of cremating obese bodies.

"In Switzerland, there is now a special crematorium for XXL-bodies," he told ORF earlier this week.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:30 | 2499993 CharlieSDT
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Shoulda made soap out of her.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:46 | 2500127 Texas Ginslinger
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Too funny.

Tyler Durden soap....LOL................

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:08 | 2500239 johnQpublic
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and lampshades

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 20:14 | 2501559 Killtruck
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I find it curious that the same people who rail against this blatant abuse of government because "the government ain't got no right to tell you what you can't drank!" will freeze in their tracks and piss their pants if you draw a parallel to the drug war.

Because drugs are bad, ya'll. Real bad.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:17 | 2499964 GernB
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What problem. Why is it a problem and why is it *your* problem. Or better yet, how have you made other people's obesity your problem, by making their healthcare your problem?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:47 | 2500112 Ragnar24
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Exactly. There is no need to regulate what a fatass eats/drinks if "we" aren't on the hook for his medical bills. And the fatass would avoid the unhealthy option if the market made it more expensive (without corn subsidies).

I'm certain Bloomberg and the rest of these assholes KNOW this truth -- which is why I don't think the conseqences of their regulations are "unintended".

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:32 | 2500606 Matt
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This is it. If I have to share in the cost of your health, shouldn't I get to have a say in whether you smoke, what you eat, whether and how much alcohol you consume, etc etc etc?

If people had to be solely responsible for their own healthcare, then they should be free to do with their bodies as they please, provided they don't harm others.

Since the cost of other people's health affects me, it is like being jointly responsible for anything. Each person who has a responsibility for something, should in turn have some control over whatever it is they are responsible for.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:46 | 2500651 pods
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Careful Matt, that is exactly what they want you to start thinking.


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:38 | 2501130 NewWorldOrange
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Matt is spot on. And who is "they" you haughty, condescending lil' socialist punk? Sheesh man, do you ever put yourself out there, or is it all you can do to just condescend to others in your insecure quest for "green arrows"?

Tyler Durden: "The stuff you own ends up owning you."

Pods: "Now Tyler, let's not engage in highly generalized statements those who own property may deem offense. Shall we have a glass of Chardonay and discuss?"

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 19:30 | 2501438 nmewn
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I believe what pods is saying is...they want you to think of everything as a collective...with them at the top dictating downward what is best for you, regardless of fatasses like Soros, Michael Moore, Larry Summers etc. at the top eating themselves into stupors at parties, state dinners and the like.

If done correctly, you (the plebe) will beg them to stop another that you have never met in your life from doing what he or she wants to do with their body.

The dead giveaway is it costs the "collective"...they really don't care if you live or die...they just don't want for it to cost "them".

Very compassionate ;-)


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 22:39 | 2501998 Matt
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Which is exactly why socializing the costs of healthcare is wrong: because it forces other people to be financially responsible for other people. It's like eating at an expensive restaurant with a large group of people and splitting the bill evenly, every day for the rest of your life.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 23:46 | 2502123 DaveyJones
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Insurance companies and the insured medical system already does a pretty good job of amortizing risk and spreading the cost out to make sure they (1) take little risk and 2) make profit. We have been paying for other people's poor health and poor living practices for some time through the second payor system.

Remember the first thing the Obama administration did prior to selling this piss poor program was coordinate Cheneyesque oil like secret meetings whose content they blocked from public disclosure in which they promised both industries (which they knew they would need on board for the political "win") that they 1) would not have to take cuts and 2) would be guaranteed lots of new customers by coercive legislation that punished those who didn't buy.

Just another corrupt chapter in the falling empire.   

and Nmewn - thanks for the imagery. At least you didn't post any topless pictures of them.  

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 06:16 | 2502651 pan-the-ist
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Exactly, the only thing having government controlled insurance SHOULD do is get rid of the profit, and that's what Obamacare doesn't do, and that's why it has few fans on the left or the right.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 18:53 | 2505620 nmewn
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"and Nmewn - thanks for the imagery. At least you didn't post any topless pictures of them. "

lol...sometimes the written word can be more "revealing" as to motive & intent ;-)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:10 | 2500732 jonan
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jointly responsible, please i didn't sign any contracts with you...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:42 | 2500871 mkkby
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Right Matt, we need to declare a "war" on soft drinks.  A whole new federal police force can be formed, with the authority to break down doors of suspected soda smugglers possessing over 20oz of smnack.  Life sentences for distribution, selling near schools, etc.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:44 | 2501863 robobbob
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NO junior statist. lets not make this all about you.

free market systems left to their own devices solve most problems

Q: do all drivers, home owners, businesses, celebrities, sports stars, etc pay the same for insurance?

A: complex actuarial tables resolve age, gender, locality, activity, cost basis, threat probability etc. all backed by quantitative data. companies set rates, consumers choose products.

S: health insurance companies could easily add a weight classification. overweight people would howl at increased costs and reduced coverage, but evolution would take care of the issue. police state tyranny not required to stomp on one inch of anyones liberty. but then, that doesn't advance the agenda, now does it?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 06:21 | 2502657 pan-the-ist
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In a free market insurance would be priced so that the most efficient company would do the best, with no risk corporations, they ponzai the books until they can't and then fold the company, but only after taking the profits.  You cannot have your freemarket idealism and limited liability corporations.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:19 | 2499981 aerojet
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But so what?  What the fuck do you care if other people want to be disgusting fatasses and die young?  Does it really have any bearing on you at all?  Other than if you're stuck in an airplane seat next to one of these land whales, does it ever really have affect other than triggering your own gag reflex?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:28 | 2500007 CharlieSDT
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The #1 problem with obesity for me personally is that 70% of American chicks are officially fat chicks, so unless you're into it that's a major problem.  As a result the market then overvalues acceptable girls and gives them attitudes.  So yes, it is an important issue to me.

And now, there's a "fat acceptance" movement and fat chicks are starting to think that they are hot.  This must be stopped.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:40 | 2500078 duo
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Unless you live in CO or UT, it's more like 90%

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:51 | 2500152 kekekekekekeke
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dude, I hate the fat acceptance movement too but you better be smokin' hot for the amout of shit you spew (which I doubt... hot guys can generally get laid in their home country)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:57 | 2500190 CharlieSDT
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I can get laid in America.  I also can go eat at McDonalds.  However, just because you can, does not mean it's the best choice.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:04 | 2500219 Bawneee Fwank
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Men dont have to be "smokin hot" to get laid..Men just have to be men to get laid.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:51 | 2500665 kekekekekekeke
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No, I'm not running a goddam charity.  Be a man and be hot or gtfo.

The problem is all these entitled 2s think it is their god-given right to fuck 10s. Uh, no.  Protip: hotties want to fuck hotties.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:03 | 2501719 krispkritter
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Um, no. The current crop of female 'hotties' want to fuck money 1st, power 2nd, celebrity 3rd, other hottie 4th, etc.. Only women with their heads screwed on right(pardon the pun) care less about looks and more about depth, likewise with men in that same arena. Average and below-average guys will fuck anything with two tits, a hole, and a heartbeat when drunk, only minimally more discriminating when sober. Women aren't much better when drunk.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:05 | 2500502 Cathartes Aura
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can you be any more up your own ass CharlieDude?

females are not your fuckbags - if you can't get it up, travel to where you can buy something more to your liking - free market and all. . .



Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:03 | 2500708 jimmytorpedo
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I always loved the bumper sticker which said, 

 "No Fat Chicks"

I also liked the,

"Ass, Gas or Grass-no free rides!"

whatever happened to those?

who the fuck cares if your kid got his sewing badge from scouts-all you have to do to earn it, is sew it on?

why I quit scouts after one day

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:33 | 2500833 Cathartes Aura
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ever wonder if "fat chicks" are (subconsciously?) weeding out the boys who aren't worth a fuck?

nature, she's looking to evolve. . .

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 18:36 | 2501287 CharlieSDT
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As in, good boys want to fuck fat chicks?


You must be a fat American chick.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 19:38 | 2501468 kekekekekekeke
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god you're pathetic

sorry not even the fat chicks you're obsessed with won't fuck you

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 00:07 | 2502190 Cathartes Aura
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oh man, I'm gonna go cry, I is so hurt by your insult.

you're the ultimate amrkn frat boy douche global representative - well done.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 19:32 | 2501448 prole
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Um, I'm just curious how much do you weigh Bessie?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 00:08 | 2502196 Cathartes Aura
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and you're probably his dad.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:28 | 2500014 DosZap
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But so what?  What the fuck do you care if other people want to be disgusting fatasses and die young?

When the ball goes up, these fat asses will be the first ones to go on mandatory diets.

Because they cannot get the crap they have been used to cramming in the piehole..................they will lose weight whether they like it or not.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:55 | 2500171 BandGap
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Statistically, they do not die young. they are more of a buredn to our health care system than smokers.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:40 | 2500629 Matt
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Thumbs down for you! You no speak truth anymore or else! Smoking is evil. Being fat is not allowed to be compared, even if it is a massive cost to society.

Smoker: costs  $1275 per year more

Obese: +$1850 per year

Morbidly obese: +$5500/year

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:20 | 2499985 dukeness
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We need to stop subsidizing corn.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:36 | 2500043 Peter Pan
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We need to stop people buying sodas with their food stamps. Obesity is at its worst in these groups which supposedly do not have enough to eat.

Is it any wonder the USA has the highest medical costs in the world with some of the worst outcomes?

The USA is dying from within. The real threat is not from the outside.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:03 | 2500217 t_kAyk
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No, we need to stop food stamps and tell people the truth and teach them personal responsibility. 

I don't care if you wan't to drink soda over water, or eat twinkies over spinach, but I do care if you are informed or not. 

People need to know what they're putting in their body, who is selling it to them, why they are selling it, how it's created, etc..  Be informed, after that make your own personal decision to destroy your body or let it thrive. 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:42 | 2500095 squidward
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Exactly, the worst food (empty calories) is what the government is subsidizing.  The fast food industry is the indirect winner of all these subisides.

Subsidized corn and canola oil to fry in.

Subsidized corn fed feed lot cattle for hamburger

subsidized potatos for fries and chips.

Subsidized corn for HFCS and the soda industry.


Obesity doesn't kill people, the government kills people!

Let the free market guide peoples decisions instead of creating industries at the behest of subsidies.


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:57 | 2500467 StackAttack
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I can't wait until we are both subsidizing corn for HFCS and banning the use of HFCS in everything. Then, we will be paying farmers to grow corn that the government will buy and let rot in a warehouse somewhere. We might as well just pay farmers not to farm... oh wait, we already do that (Farmland Preservation Credit)!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:38 | 2500622 Cathartes Aura
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to which I'll add, the KornTM is specially engineered to be over-sweet so as to be processed for HFCS, it's GMO as is the majority of the potatoes, sugar beets, soy, wheat, and soon, rice.

these bio-engineered products are killing people, including the non-obvious "skinny" folks eating this - amrkns have been raised to trust their gov't. "food advisory" boards, and conditioned to eat certain foods like bread - which is GMO now unless it's organic sourced - irrespective of the people who pay zero attention to their food choices, everyone that eats supermarket food is getting a daily dose of toxins that will show up over time.

the concept of divide and rule is at work here though - having created a target, the gov't is now informing you of your opinion on this target - fat people - and most of you respond like dogs at the dinner bowl. 

groupthink strong here today.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:49 | 2500664 Green Leader
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Group will not survive.

Yours truly has four varieties of non-GMO sweet potatoes, plantains, Amerindian cassava for breadmaking plus some sugarcane.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:30 | 2500815 Cathartes Aura
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ever the renegade!

these foods will be precious as time move on, and I know you know this.

best wishes to you, and your dogs.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:50 | 2500670 malek
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Thank you, at least someone gets the irony

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:32 | 2500032 Shameful
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It's not even sugar but HFCS, and like you said gov funded.  So we have gov sponsored GM HFCS drinks, and now the gov is going to ban larger drinks, sure why not.  What I'm waiting for is the meat taxes, because we all know vegetarians and vegans are oh so healthy.  It's just another sign of the overall decaying heap America has become.  Eventually this problem will solve itself.  Besides in economic collapse would you rather square off with a nation of fit devious people or a nation of idiots barely able to move under their own power?  Got to look for the silver lining.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:21 | 2500301 Temporalist
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So if all the HFCS were replaced with cane sugar then problem solved right?


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:40 | 2500630 Cathartes Aura
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hey, there's a choice - "diet" soda with aspartame - comes with the Rumsfeld seal of approval.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:46 | 2500653 Matt
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Not entirely solved, but made considerably less bad.

Glucose-Fructose is not processed by the body the same way as Sucrose; it causes the liver damage like alcohol, fat in the liver, suppresses the signal from the stomach to the brain to tell you that you are full, among other problems that sugar does not have.

HFCS sweetened baby formula is just as good as feeding a baby a can of beer. A can of soda is like a beer, as far as impact on the body goes.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:26 | 2501085 malek
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Yeah, did anybody actually watch "The Weight Of The Nation" as it was linked in ZH not long ago?

One doctor there dared to speak it out: "Fruit juice is as bad as soda."

The calories are the same per serving, and having no HFCS in it doesn't make it better!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 22:38 | 2501997 Jena
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Also a critical point:  The calories contained in a beverage don't go toward one's drive for food calories.  You'll have to watch the documentary to get the point but it is well explained.  Basically, what you drink doesn't count in your body's 'set point' for the day's caloric drive, if you are able to listen to it.  That is one reason why fruit juices are just as bad.  Not sure which segment it was in.  


Itchy day in Fight Club, is it the full moon?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 19:44 | 2501479 prole
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So if all the HFCS were replaced with cane sugar then problem solved right?

What problem? There is no problem.

Lard-asses demand to get continually fatter in their lives (Like Cathartes non?) this is not anyone's problem but the individual who has exercised their own personal freedom of choice.

They could have chosen raw carrots spinach some wild caught fish, but they chose frozen pizza Sodas and junk food chips as the side dish.  Hello Type II Diabetes.

They could have chosen to hit the gym, but instead they chose to hit the sofa and keep up with you-know-who

In my opinion this is dumb and not something anyone should do, but should I deprive everyone of their personal freedom based on my opinion?

Eat what you want Catharteds and Walmart Nation, I am shaking my head ruefully, but I desire freedom, for you and me. If I want freedom for me, I have to respect freedom for you

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:51 | 2500671 Overfed
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Read the label, vote with your wallet, don't buy products with HFCS. It's easy to be a part of the solution, and we don't need any more fukkin' nanny-state government.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:11 | 2499935 rajat_bhatia
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Ayn Rand

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:45 | 2500416 tamboo
Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:56 | 2500463 tmosley
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When the message can not be destroyed, even by means of lies and slander, attack the personal character of the messanger.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:52 | 2500675 AnAnonymous
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US citizens as they do not bother about attacks on the message, wont bother more about attacks on the messenger.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:11 | 2499936 CPL
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I am not my brothers keeper.  Nor his social architect

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:16 | 2499955 B-rock
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Yeah, but someone else is....

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:46 | 2500125 Ignatius J Reilly
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And that someone else "we" elected and thinks "we" approve of such bullshit.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:22 | 2499997 DCFusor
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Glad you ain't my brother then.

Truly, if someone gave birth to you and kept you alive when you were utterly helpless, doesn't that mean that under just about any moral system, you really owe something back to someone?

It's when people demand it who don't deserve it that there's a problem.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:41 | 2500088 PrintingPress
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His mother and father brought him into this world by making a choice to do so.   It is their responsibility based on that choice to take care of their child until they are capable of fending for themselves.   If this child wishes to be responsible for his parents that is good but there is no contract or obligation on their part to have any responsibility to anyone. 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:43 | 2500646 Cathartes Aura
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if his mother and father made that choice, and then bear that responsibility - can you expand your argument to enforced pregnancy?

and if this is contractual, who are the parties to the (enforced pregnancy) contract, exactly?  just trying to find some truth here.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 19:47 | 2501492 prole
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If you love abortion so much, please promote it among your own family.

Just speaking of you and your family, I have changed my mind on abortion, and find it a wonderful delighful life-enriching experience!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:43 | 2500105 TexasTrader
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Yes. you do owe them something. .. .. How about a little respect?  Enough to not impose your will on them? Let them make up their own minds.  Here in America we are free.  Free to succeed and free to fail.  That point seems to escape people all too often. 


Just because you have a better way of doing things (or even if it is the best way) you do NOT have the right to compel the rest of us to follow you.


I am an adult. I am well aware of the consequences of drinking a 'Large' soda. I think I can make up my own mind - Thank you very much.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:48 | 2500662 Matt
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As long as not one penny of mine goes towards your health expenses, I will not try to influence your choices on food and drink.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:24 | 2500787 jonan
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as long as you do not force those individuals into your social contracts with the barrel of a sir are morally bankrupt...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 22:42 | 2502006 Matt
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Explain how it is 'moral' for someone to incur charges to other people without their consent?


Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:04 | 2503105 jonan
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explain how it is moral for you to sign contracts and impose obligations on my behalf without my signature, simply because 51% gave you that "authority"

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 16:31 | 2505287 Matt
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I didn't vote for public healthcare.

I would suppose that if you believe in the power of democracy, you would believe that whatever the majority votes is right.

However, if you are looking at the ObamaCare system, the system is created by a small group of idealists and lobbyists, so it does not really represent the 51% either.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:46 | 2500126 QuietCorday
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No ... because no-one asks to be born. Every human being's existence on this earth is a consequence of someone else's action, choice and decision.

You are born not owing anything to any one. In fact, your biological parents owe you; the best they can do in the circumstances is keep you alive while you are helpless and support and guide you until you become an adult.

It is the parent that has the moral obligation, not the child. What you create, you are responsible for. Simple as. 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:16 | 2500751 jonan
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take your ethics of care and GTFO

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:39 | 2500073 Peter Pan
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But you ARE your brother's keeper because it is your taxes that pay for food stamps and medical care and all the other costs.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:48 | 2500139 Peter Pan
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It also astounds me that expenditure on soft drinks and cigarettes are inluded in GDP. We would be better off paying people to dig holes and fill them up again.

People were up in arms about the pink slime in food but not about the liquid slime in sodas.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:11 | 2499937 BanksterSlayer
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"Us" is another brainwashing word like "we" ... as in, "Whoever isn't for us, is against us."

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:13 | 2499940 LawsofPhysics
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Fuck New York.  Of all the things that are "bad" for you in this city and state, bloomberg is gonna make sure he saves you from the soda.  Absolute fucking morons, who stink of fear (justifiably so).  I wonder how much this legislation cost in terms of the salaries of those who created it?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:17 | 2499966 Hippocratic Oaf
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No Laws.....fuck you. If I go to the movies in Union Square and want to 'share' a drink with my wife, why should I get up 3 times for a re-fill? You want to sit next to us and get it while we watch the film?




If I want to drink a 40 0z coke or eat a 1lb. snicker bar........IT"S MY FUCKING CHOICE!


I don't know or care where you live, but at least you have a choice.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:27 | 2500002 LawsofPhysics
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You are are moron, I essentially said the exact same thing.  I am all about independent reasponsiblity.    All choices must have real consequences for the individual.  It helps if you can actually identify your allies and your opponents.  Yet another useful idiot in Amerika.  No wonder the sheeple can't get anything done, they don't understand English, or satire for that matter.  

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:38 | 2500068 Hippocratic Oaf
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You're absolutely right. However, please.....with illegal sugar on top, the fuck New York in reaction to everything is tiring.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:51 | 2500158 LawsofPhysics
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New York and the "markets" could fix a lot of their image problems if John Corzine and all the other engineers associated with all the fucking fraud that has been going on there at the expense of EVERYONE else in the country were all hung until dead in times square.

Don't like the reputation of your colleagues, your profession, or your locale? guess fucking what, the burden is upon you to insure that the behavior of your colleagues, business partners and fellow citizens is ethical.  Moral hazard is a bitch and life is hard, suck it up and quit whining like a New York Jew.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:17 | 2500282 ParkAveFlasher
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buck foston!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:00 | 2500478 candyman
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You will never understand how F'd up NY is until you leave. I was paranoid of leaving for CA. Basically the entire US laughs at the shit coming out of that city, unfortunately NYC'ers never get the feedback. But I can understand how someone living in a prison surrounded by water like Alcatraz gets fucked up real quick. WOO WOO Im renting a car and going out of the city. Ha.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:39 | 2500390 FeralSerf
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<<All choices must have real consequences for the individual.>>

It's difficult to understand how someone that (claims to) believes in the LawsofPhysics doesn't accept the principle of Cause and Effect.   There are unconscious reasons that Americans "choose" unwisely.  They have been very effectively brain-washed, just like you have.

"If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, it is possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without them knowing it." -- Edward Bernays

Eddie proved this in the 1920s by convincing American women that it's cool to smoke cigarettes.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:50 | 2500666 Cathartes Aura
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deep rabbit hole when one starts to actually pick apart "social engineering" - but it's worth the trip.

particularly when the arguments see-saw so violently as happens often on any thread that includes a favourite target, like "fat people" - all the participants think their ideas original, when they're merely being played like instruments. . .

thanks FeralSerf.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:50 | 2500150 Peter Pan
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You need to explain why the nation needs to pay for any part of your medical bill ibecause of your choices.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:10 | 2501011 junkyardjack
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How fat is your wife that she needs 3 refills of a 16OZ soda to sit in the park? Seriously get her on P90X...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:18 | 2499971 williambanzai7
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