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Submitted by David Galland of Casey Research

Bypassing Government Roadblocks to Your Personal Prosperity

Recently I helped out with some delivery chores. As I drove about, I discovered that one of the roads I would normally use was closed by roadblocks. It was, I imagine, due to road repair work. I had to reverse course and take a substantial detour.

I wondered why the road crew hadn't put up a sign indicating the road was closed back at the main intersection, but I shrugged and muttered something like "Typical government operation."

Driving back home, this idea of roadblocks took root in my mind. The thing is, only governmental entities can set up roadblocks – at least, legally.

Obviously, there are times when such roadblocks are entirely appropriate... for example, when a bridge is found to be dangerous.

In that case, putting up a roadblock to let drivers know that the road is a no-go makes perfect sense.

For example, a temporary warning sign to let people know that there is a road crew fixing potholes ahead makes sense and that sort of thing.

Otherwise, unless a road is damaged to the point where driving is either impossible or ill advised, there should be no roadblocks set up. Makes sense, right?

The decision to set up a roadblock should be taken only by people who are close to the problem, who understand the issues, and can deal with the problem on the road, fix it, and open it up again as quickly as possible.

Imagine then a world where government officials, as often as not operating hundreds or even thousands of miles away, are in control of the roadblock rules.

Despite having no real knowledge of the problem at a local level, they dictate that those roadblocks be set up and made permanent based not upon the specific condition that a road is out, but rather based on political expediency, cronyism, imaginary threats, and donations by influential lobbyists.

In a world like that, where roadblocks are set up all over the place and without any real thought to the consequences to road users, imagine how difficult it could be to get from Point A to Point B.

In fact, it would not be out of the question that the single road leading to your house could be blocked, leaving you no way out.

While that seems rather extreme, I would contend that it is a valid metaphor for the world we now live in.

To make the point, a couple of weeks ago, I discussed my recent travels to Ireland and Portugal and the devastating consequences the actions of the European central planners have had on those economies.

Before the European Commission bulldozed their way of life, the Portuguese fishermen made a nice living. They made money and supported their families the same way they had for generations. Life was good.

But not long after Portugal's admission into the Eurozone, however, they woke up one morning to discover their own regulatory roadblock.

It was cooked up by bureaucrats thousands of miles away who have no idea of the local challenges or hazards it would bring to the local economy and the families that rely on it.

This roadblock required them under law to destroy their fishing boats, thereby preventing them from earning their livelihoods.

Another example of roadblock insanity can be seen in energy policy here in the US.

Hollow Soundbites and Pointless Platitudes

Politicians bray about the need for energy independence.

Behind the scenes, however, they kowtow to the environoids and special interests by littering the landscape with roadblocks that prevent energy companies from achieving and innovating our way to exactly the independence they tell us we must have at all costs!

Here's where it affects you:

Government has set up another sizable roadblock. This time it is in the path of savers.

By meddling in the market in order to allow the debt-bloated government to continue its out-of-control spending, the Fed has suppressed interest rates to the lowest levels in US history.

Almost overnight, retirees and others who counted on the yields earned on savings to cover living costs have come to a dead stop in front of a roadblock placed in the way of their most pressing needs.

Their finances now in tatters, even people in their 70s who have worked hard and saved all their lives are being reduced to serving up French fries at fast-food joints.

For another roadblock, look no further than Obamacare.

In a recent Reason magazine article, it also expressed the same sort of convoluted logic that has gone into creating a series of related roadblocks. As one wit put it:

"If you think health care is expensive today, wait until it's free."

One of those roadblocks has to do with the considerably higher taxes tucked away in reams of unreadable legalese that will shift yet more funding from the private sector to the public. Here's the text from an email sent to Doug Casey by a financial professional friend of his this week:

You may have had only a casual interest in the debate over the Obama Health Care bill, and even if you followed it closely, the headline discussion seemed to be more on the inclusion of millions of uninsured citizens, the penalties for not being insured, etc., vs. the fact that this is a noticeable income tax increase on investment income.

For those who have an adjusted gross income of $200k ($250k for joint returns) or more, the number on the bottom of the first page of your 1040, which comes before itemized deductions, charitable gifts, or personal exemptions, there is a +3.8% uncapped tax applied on all investment income (capital gains, interest, dividends, etc.), plus an obscure provision of the code known as the Pease, which reduces the value of itemized deductions, adding another +1.2% to the tax rate.

Be aware that if the current "Bush tax cuts" are not extended, the current long-term capital gains tax rate of 15% will go up by two-thirds to 25% beginning 1/1/2013. The top rate on dividends will nearly triple from 15% to 44.6%!! Ouch.

Unlike Social Security taxes, which are capped, the Health Care tax is uncapped. The mouthy Warren Buffett is finally getting his wish – paying more than a 15% tax rate. Instead of just writing a check for more, which he is certainly welcome to do, as an advisor to the administration, he probably had some influence on getting it applied to all higher-income Americans.

As you know, I am not a tax attorney nor an accountant, so am sending this as a heads-up, and if it is relevant to you, you should confirm the details with your tax advisors.

On the topic of throwing up more tax roadblocks, here's one from overseas… sent along in an email from our own Vedran Vuk. In Vedran's own words…

"Most of the time when we think about raising taxes, it's the threat of millionaires leaving. We don't usually think about them not coming to a country. Here's an interesting case of Zlatan Ibrahimovic signing a soccer contract for 14 million euros per year. If the new tax goes through in France, he will be taxed for 75% over the first million euros. If the tax does go through, good luck attracting multimillion-earning players to France. A lot of people in the 99% will be pretty unhappy when all of their sports teams become horrible as a result of the tax."

My favorite quote from the article is:

"Ibrahimovic will earn 14 million euros annually, sports daily L'Equipe reported. Sports Minister Valerie Fourneyron said that indicates that European football needs more regulation."

Yes, just what the world needs – more roadblocks.

Of course, this time it's to block decisions that the football team's management believes it needs to make in order to win (and therefore attract fans, sell tickets, and raise rates to sponsors).


I recently ran into a public-high-school English teacher and asked how the education business was going.

His response was, "Do you have four days for me to tell you all that's wrong?"

"It seems like every month some team or another shows up from the government in order to introduce a new teaching program. And the really frustrating thing, is that none of these people has ever taught school."

He went on to say that it becomes clear very quickly that they have no idea what they're talking about and that each new protocol was conceived by some bureaucrat with no teaching experience either.

It was eye-opening to hear such emotive language from a public-high-school teacher – in my experience, most of the people who choose that profession are largely on board with the whole big-government thing.

Yet, it seems that more and more people are beginning to catch on to the idea that central planning is not such a great idea.

It's how you end up with roadblocks where roadblocks don't belong.

It's how you end up on a road you never intended to travel along, forced there by roadblocks that don't make sense and clearly don't help.

Ultimately you risk getting hopelessly lost, or you turn around go back the way you came and start again.

So yet another school program gets introduced, another law, another rule. And it all starts again.

Happily, it is almost a certainty that, in time, the bureaucrats and their many roadblocks will be shoved aside.

I say that because there really is a limit to how long people will put up with being denied access to their fundamental rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

There is only so long that entrepreneurs will put up with having to navigate around more and more roadblocks in order to provide a product or service to consumers, when such roadblocks serve absolutely no useful purpose.

Unfortunately, while there are a number of things you can do to get started and plenty of sound advice along the way, it will take time.

That's because there is still a considerable swath of the voting public who actually buys into the idea that government is a force for good and that without it, equality and justice would go by the wayside.

And so it is that the US and virtually all of the large economies around the world are still firmly in the grip of the notion that central planning is the only way to get to the green pastures that surely must be just over the next hill.

Or, more specifically, the next round of legislation and policy machinations (read "roadblocks").

There has never been a starker example of the mindset of the current administration and its many followers than a comment made by President Obama this week. Here it is:

"If you've got a business, you didn't build that.
Somebody else made that happen."

His point is that essentially, all human progress is due to the good work of governments.

  • That without governments, there would be no roads to set up roadblocks on.
  • There would be no Internet.
  • There would be no body of case law nor a judicial system to enforce that law.
  • There would be no telephones.

I disagree, and so do many others – including many from past governments who see the direction Washington, DC is taking and don't like it.

I contend that this view of the world is essentially the opposite of the tenets of the capitalist/free-market model.

In the view of Mr. Obama and his ilk, We the Sheeple are all but helpless without the government to lead us forward.

That the US government's activities as a share of GDP have gone from well under 10% at the beginning of the last century to over 40% today – and will go over 50% by the time Obamacare is fully implemented – makes it clear that this country is now operating on principles that run completely contrary to those that promote success and economic well-being.

The consequence of continuing to operate on this model will be a steady decline in the quality of life for most Americans, while favoring a ruling elite that produces nothing… except more roadblocks.

Ayn Rand will someday be celebrated as a futurist.

But how does one fight back? Grab a gun? Don't even think about it: the Second Amendment may have been intended to protect against a tyrannical government, but the actual truth is that the weaponry of the US government is so incredibly advanced at this point that even the most well-armed militia wouldn't last a minute.

No, the best way to "fight back" is to get wise to the whole thing.

Understanding what's happening and knowing where the roadblocks are likely to be just makes sense.

And having clearly set out strategies that both sidestep the roadblocks and preserve your wealth is not just a good idea – it's critical.


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Sun, 07/29/2012 - 09:56 | 2660111 marz929
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Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:35 | 2660119 engineertheeconomy
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Stealing something from someone, somewhere... 

with his fuckbuddy Bernanke

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:34 | 2660271 Not Too Important
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Where The Secret Trillions We Printed Went:

“…estimates the amount of wealth hidden in tax havens by the super-rich at a minimum of $21 trillion: i.e. $21,000,000,000,000.”

It might be as much as $32 trillion…

Henry came up with this range of numbers by sifting through data from the Bank for International Settlements, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and private sector analysts—and it does not even include yachts, mansions, art works and other forms of wealth held overseas.

Some of it is the laundered proceeds of crime, and much of it is money stolen from national budgets by corrupt national elites (an estimated $306 billion from Nigeria, $798 billion from Russia, $1,189 billion from China), but most is deposited by the respectable super-rich of the West.

…almost half of the minimum estimate of $21 trillion is owned by just 92,000 people, some of whom pay no tax at all.”

 And the real kicker (if this doesn’t piss you off, nothing will):

 “…the amount of wealth that is managed by the top-10 private banks, most of it held overseas in secret accounts, has more than doubled in the past five years.”

 Full report:

The massive amount of corruption could not be explained any better. They're printing tens of trillions of dollars for their friends, and they want us to pay for it with 'austerity'.



Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:04 | 2660332 Manthong
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At least we can assume that the electronic vote tabulating administered by centralized government is honest and when the voice of the people from the voting terminal or scanner (NOT ballot box, counted at the local level) is expressed, the bureaucrats and their many roadblocks will be shoved aside”.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:45 | 2660466 Doña K
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In Chamonix French Alps minus the beard. Hotel la Vallee Blanche. Hurry up and get him before he helicopters out

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 23:01 | 2661400 cycloptron
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Travers: Tucker and Walker! We're missing 3 bags.
Gabe Walker
: What's in them?
: None of your fucking business!
Eric Qualen: Suits, socks, 100 million dollars - the usual stuff.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 22:54 | 2661389 goldfish1
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the bureaucrats and their many roadblocks will be shoved aside

the bureaucrats and their many roadblocks will be ignored and will fall away of their own weight.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 15:23 | 2660608 Lord Blankcheck
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The Us Gov would spend all $21 trillion in about four years.Then what?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:13 | 2660123 Gully Foyle
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"Ayn Rand will someday be celebrated as a futurist."

I always enjoy when people Rand would despise as bloated ticks feeding off the success of others, cite her.

Fucking hypocrites all.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:19 | 2660132 fonzannoon
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Ayn Rand was an Author, correct? She studied Philosophy and history. She was not a plumber or an electrician or farmer. So technically that would make her more of a bloated tick than a true productive member of society. She had a rare insight into things though and she spread the word and she seems like a genius now. Still, Irony is fun.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:31 | 2660153 mrdenis
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 "I am opposed to all forms of control. I am for an absolute laissez faire, free, unregulated economy. Let me put it briefly, I am for the separation of state and economics".....the visonary ,AR 

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:46 | 2660174 engineertheeconomy
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Yeah buddy!

"Seperation between Economics and State" would be ideal if "We the people" had a Gold/Silver Standard and uninhibited trade/barter without tax. This would most importantly include NOT LETTING THE GOVERNMENT PRINT MONEY, BUT INSTEAD RELY ON THE PEOPLES UNFORCED VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTIONS EXCLUSIVELY

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:04 | 2660183 CH1
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We HAVE silver.

We HAVE gold.

We HAVE digital gold.

We HAVE Bitcoin.

We HAVE barter.

We HAVE encryption.

But...people are slavishly waiting for permission, rather than using them. Such permissions will NOT be forthcoming.

Your ACTIONS are what count, not your words.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:09 | 2660338 F. Bastiat
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Ditching cable service and TV are also good practical steps.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:35 | 2660371 CH1
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Yes. :)

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 15:14 | 2660592 nodhannum
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Just ditched DirecTV, they beg every day to come back. FUCK them and the horse they road into town on.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 15:14 | 2660593 nodhannum
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Just ditched DirecTV, they beg every day to come back. FUCK them and the horse they road into town on.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 14:56 | 2660561 TraderTimm
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You are absolutely correct. This is what really galls me about ZH readership - the tools are HERE, right NOW. If only a few percent of the people who read ZH switched to some of the tools you listed and stuck with them - we could change how things operate, and starve the BANKS of income.

I'm doing my part, that is for damn sure...

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 19:29 | 2661058 Hacked Economy
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Right-o.  Every little bit really DOES count, especially in a fractional-reserve system.  I myself hold accounts with four different banks and credit unions, and keep ONLY enough money in them at any given time to cover my activities (such as EFT or mortgage payments, etc).  I have my paycheck direct-deposited amongst them so as to receive the "privilege" of having those accounts without any monthly fees, then I simply withdraw the excess cash and stash it elsewhere (or convert to silver).

The banks don't necessarily need to be starved to death to learn to scale back...we only have to stop trusting them with ALL our cash.

On top of all that, I operate on primarily a cash-only and debt-free basis whenever and wherever I can, which is 99% of all purchases and transactions.  For me, life continues as usual.  For the banks...sorry, Charlie.  :)

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 15:00 | 2660566 Papasmurf
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Here we go again with the freaking bitcoin plug.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 15:42 | 2660633 CH1
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It's okay, you don't have to act. And you can besmirch those who do!

Important people on TV say so!

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 16:56 | 2660795 granolageek
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And just what can you actually buy with Bitcoin? I sell maple syrup and a few other things over the web. Software that will handle actual multiple currencies costs more than my profits. I set my prices in dollars, and Paypal, MC and Visa handle currency conversions, albeit at outrageous fees to both me and my customers.

This option is not available with Bitcoin. I must accept fiat, or I may as well just shut down. I suppose I could set up a mirron site that works in Bitcoin. The software I use will indeed work in Bitcoin, just like it will work in dollars, pounds or Euros. But only one at a time. I already have enough inventory issues when my wife or I sells something locally for cash and doesn't tell the webstore quickly enough. I don't need more, nor do I need the maintenance work of cutting and pasting every change into a second site.

Care to explain how I can realistically move to Bitcoin?

PS. I suppose I could become a vendor on SilkRoad. Most SR buyers jump through hoops to buy Bitcoin with fiat to get something they otherwise couldn't. They're not about to do that to get something they could just get with fiat in the first place.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 17:32 | 2660857 CH1
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Care to explain how I can realistically move to Bitcoin?


If you're not going to act until everything is just right... if you don't care enough to jump in and WORK for freedom, you're still on the wrong side.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 22:04 | 2661310 A Nanny Moose
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WADR. I remain unconvinced as to how a bunch of fucking 1's and 0's are better than 1oz of something tangible in my hand. Bird in the hand...

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 16:00 | 2660680 Help Is Not Coming
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But...people are slavishly waiting for permission, rather than using them. Such permissions will NOT be forthcoming.


Help is not coming and neither is permisson.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 16:12 | 2660699 NeedtoSecede
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Who is the troll that would give CH1 a red arrow for this post? Only some statist troll trying to suppress liberty would give that post a red arrow. Show yourself troll. Come out of the shadows and explain to everyone here at ZH why you would be against personal liberty and personal responsibility. I doubt you have the intellect or the guts.

Mon, 07/30/2012 - 06:31 | 2661710 Freewheelin Franklin
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We HAVE legal tender laws.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:08 | 2660216 i-dog
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It's to her shame that she didn't go the extra logical step and push for the separation of the State from planet Earth!

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:19 | 2660241 engineertheeconomy
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Perfect! Send them too some far off planet where they can enslave and screw eachother into eternity!

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:37 | 2660373 AnAnonymous
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I am for an absolute laissez faire, free, unregulated economy. Let me put it briefly, I am for the separation of state and economics".....the visonary ,AR


Wait a minute. The state is the only body able to make regulations?

What another great advancement by US citizen thinkers.

How impressive.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 14:34 | 2660532 Totentänzerlied
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Another leg down in the sad story of AnAnonymous posts, when a non-native English speaker resorts to equivocation, you know the calibre of troll with which you are dealing.

"Like squatters on the roadside, these are the trolls of our lives. Chinese US Citizenisms, time to die." -Brade Lunner

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 15:53 | 2660665 AnAnonymous
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Equivocation? please point out. In absence of, well, again, US citizenism at work, you are the one pushing forward equivocation by not pointing out my supposed equivocation.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:41 | 2660384 Neethgie
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Ayn rand used state provided healthcare for her lung cancer, she was a hypocrite. sorry to kill your hero

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:29 | 2660449's picture

As has been discussed to death here Rand was forced into the medicare system at gunpoint. If you can get some restitution from a thief who has robbed you you are not a hypocrite.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 16:29 | 2660738 AnAnonymous
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JKC, something that must be written by Indians living in the US... US citizen Rand was forced into the medicare system at gunpoint...

How US citizens are cheapening extortion... It does not take much to extort from them. So they say.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 19:25 | 2661053 mjk0259
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Really and who was holding the gun? Couldn't she just have let herself be shot instead of submitting to socialist health care that would be painful and just drag things out?


Sun, 07/29/2012 - 22:09 | 2661331 A Nanny Moose
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Try to avoid paying taxes. You will learn who is pointing the fucking gun, PDFQ!

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 14:23 | 2660513 Arkadaba
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Was wondering when someone would bring up that interesting fact ...

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 16:31 | 2660739 AnAnonymous
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As interesting as knowing the Founding Fathers for some owned slaves.

US citizens are worshippers, cultish type people. And worshipping is worshipping.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 16:51 | 2660784 Kayman
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Are your Chicom controllers still holding back on your toilet paper ?

How about offering some insight on fixing a society built entirely on corruption- China.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 22:08 | 2661329 A Nanny Moose
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Reclaiming your property from the theif that stole, through non-violent means is morally justified.

Beyond Going Galt, what better way to bring down a kleptocracy, than to work within its own rules.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 19:02 | 2661018 Cabreado
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"I am opposed to all forms of control. I am for an absolute laissez faire, free, unregulated economy. Let me put it briefly, I am for the separation of state and economics".....the visonary ,AR


Even Sociopaths get a few things right.

But they are not to worshipped -- ever.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:49 | 2660181 ISEEIT
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Ayn was an individual who expressed her thoughts publicly and unapologeticly. I personally do not favor her brutally selfish perspective, however I do favor and support her individual LIBERTY to hold and express such views.

Ayn Rand told A truth. Her truth.

If we had something close to a healthy society expressing individual truth would be normal, typical, supported and encouraged.

In a fucking zoo though the only expressions that count are those of the warden. Everybody else is just on display.



Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:55 | 2660197 LetThemEatRand
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Ironically, I cannot think of a single human being I have met or read who has suggest that Rand should not have been allowed to preach her religion of selfishness and pursuit of material wealth.  The entire premise behind the First Amendment is that vigorous debate will eventually reveal the truth, or at least provide rational people with the tools needed to decide what is the truth.  Calling out a philosophy as bullshit is not even remotely the same as suggesting it should be stifled.  The true irony of Ayn Rand is that -- like everyone of her disciples I have ever met -- she fed from the same trough and benefitted with great financial success from the same society she shunned as broken.   

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:13 | 2660222 i-dog
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"I cannot think of a single human being I have met or read"

Neither we nor Rand can be held responsible for your extremely poor choices of acquaintances and reading material!

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:31 | 2660364 Monedas
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Gullible Foil @ Ayn Rand:        You did not write those books .... somebody helped you .... sweat shop workers built your typewriter !

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:39 | 2660376 A Nanny Moose
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Clicking your heals and saying "it's bullshit," 3 times, might make it true. You sure have the anti-Rand talking points down.

How is it bullshit to act in ones own self interest, and attempt appeal to the sense of value in others? What about preaching the failed religion of The State? The State in current Keptocratic form is the direct and proximate result of attempts to coerce "selflessness" How is it immoral to attemp to reclaim your property from the thief which stole that property?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:50 | 2660392 LetThemEatRand
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Why is it always one or the other?  The problems are complex and so are the solutions.  Getting rid of government for all but the limited purposes espoused by Rand would have unintended consequences beyond belief.  Greenspan famously admitted that he did not account for the fact that a CEO would run his company into the ground for personal profit, taking the savings of thousands with him.  How could he not see that?  Because he believed that John Galt would emerge from deregulation and save the planet.  Your philosophy is elegant in its simplicity, but at its base simplistic.  Much of what Rand wrote rings true because it is.  Government is too big, it is corrupted, taxation is often unfair and counter-productive. Much evil has been committed by government.  But Rand ignores the evil perpetrated by free enterprise and what the world would like like if everyone were acting out pure self-interest.   There is no magic bullet.  Humanity is flawed.  The solution is balance.  Complex, ugly, difficult, often wrong balance that must be constantly tweaked and worked on.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:35 | 2660455 A Nanny Moose
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"The problems are complex and so are the solutions." 

What makes you think a few HUMANS are capable of solving these complex problems? They only appear complex because we choose to evade reality, but cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.

Getting rid of government for all but the limited purposes espoused by Rand would have unintended consequences beyond belief.  

You have proof of this? Where in human history as there NOT been a violent monopoly in charge of a geographic area? Where has there not ben a social hierachy based on might makes right? Please provide supporting evidence.

Greenspan famously admitted that he did not account for the fact that a CEO would run his company into the ground for personal profit....he believed that John Galt would emerge from deregulation and save the planet.  

It is government regulation, in the form of the Corporation which allowed this to happen in the first place. John Galt did not emerge from deregulation, but from the requirement to gain permission to produce from, and share the resultant wealth with, those who produced nothing. Either Greenspank (by extension you) needed to better understand Rand, or you are mis-interpreting Greenspank.

"Your philosophy is elegant in its simplicity, but at its base simplistic."

This is your opinion. Save the editorial for such time as you have provided sufficient evidence to back your claims. Please.

"Much of what Rand wrote rings true because it is. But Rand ignores the evil perpetrated by free enterprise and what the world would like like if everyone were acting out pure self-interest.... Humanity is flawed."

Why do you continually assail Rand? More to the point, why to you engage personal attacks toward those who cite Rand, and about who you know nothing, but assume much?

If government is a walking socio-economic cluster fuck, which has always existed, then how can you blame the free market, for that which is obviously the result of goverment intervention?

Governments have murdered over 250 million of their own citizens, in the 20th century alone, not including wars. Free enterprise? Not so much. Even if you agree that government was the means to that end, you must also agree that such ends could not have happened without government.

If government is so evil, why do we keep repeating the same thing over, and over and expecting different results? If humanity is flawed, what is the sense in giving a few HUMANS all the guns, and all the power to order everyone else around?

The magic bullet is to live by the principle that initiation of force is wrong, Universally. Even Rand went a bit astray on this point. Are we going to accomplish this overnight? Nope. Continuing to live by the sword is not going to get us any closer to that goal either.

You are now encountering know what to do. When you are done, please produce answers to the questions, rather than logical fallacies.


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Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:40 | 2660460's picture


 Greenspan famously admitted that he did not account for the fact that a CEO would run his company into the ground for personal profit, taking the savings of thousands with him.  How could he not see that?


And how can you not see that when that company goes broke the government forces you to pay the bill even though you didn't build that?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 15:47 | 2660646 RockyRacoon
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Just for the sake of argument:   The concept of the tragedy of the commons is an old and well-studied one.  I wonder if Ayn Rand took stock of the concept in her writings?  It's been ages since I've read her books so without revisiting them I'm at a loss to view them with that perspective in mind.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 15:58 | 2660677's picture

Interesting idea. I've got Rand's novella "Anthem" in the queue. I'll keep that in mind when I read it.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 17:02 | 2660794 RockyRacoon
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What would unfettered "business interests" do to the natural resources?  I think the taking of the great forests in the Northwest could serve as an example.   So, too, would the near demise of the salmon in the waters off Washington and Oregon.  Note that the unlimited fishing by the native American tribes has resulted in some astounding waste.  I recall a story of one of their ships sinking due to be overloaded with salmon -- all going back to the sea from which they came... dead.  What is the history of the buffalo, the great plains, historic plundering of what are now national parks, etc?  I'm just as nauseated by big government as anyone, but how does a society keep this sort of thing from happening?  If you own it, is it any of my business what you do with it?  If I profit from your plundering, does that make it okay?  In whose world?  All of this has been debated ad nauseum, but still worth the effort since a solution has not been forthcoming.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 17:47 | 2660885's picture

I don't know what Rand would say but anarcho-capitalists believe that if resources such as forests and waterways are owned by individuals then those individuals will be motivated to protect those resources and sustain them in the most efficient manner. When government controls "public" land and water the politicians act on the incentive to sell off the resources to their cronies for a profit with no sense of conservation other than that the resources should not go to anyone who is not paying them a bribe either in money or in political support.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 22:00 | 2661320 A Nanny Moose
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Rocky, if we are going to engage in this thought experiment, we must first define "unfettered business interests." What we have is certainly not unfettered.

We must begin by talking about something devoid of the legal construct known as The Corporation. We must also talk of something devoid of depreciating fiat currency. Otherwise we are not so unfettered.

Mon, 07/30/2012 - 03:45 | 2661665 Dr. Sandi
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Bender told us the solution nearly every week in Futurama:

Kill all humans.

Simple but messy.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 16:44 | 2660771 Dulcinea
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Balance is right.  But unfortunately, we have gotten so far out of balance it seems likely that overcorrection will occur in the process of seeking balance.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 21:34 | 2661257 BooMushroom
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Greenspan famously admitted that he did not account for the fact that a CEO would run his company into the ground for personal profit, taking the savings of thousands with him.

He probably didn't see regulators turning a blind eye to criminal activity in exchange for a cushy job with the regulated a few years later, either.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:42 | 2660456's picture



The true irony of Ayn Rand is that -- like everyone of her disciples I have ever met -- she fed from the same trough and benefitted with great financial success from the same society she shunned as broken.  


Please rectify your recurring error. Society is not synonymous with government. The anarchist's or libertarian's disdain for organized violence does not bar him from voluntarily interacting with individuals who wish to interact with him. Why do you have such a hard time understanding this very simple idea?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 20:14 | 2661122 StychoKiller
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Society != Government -- Got it! :>D

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 22:02 | 2661327 A Nanny Moose
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Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:37 | 2660457 Pants McPants
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You're overlooking one very important point when calling Rand a hypocrite for using state funds: namely, that she paid taxes throughout her life.  Therefore she paid for those services.

Nice try, though.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 19:27 | 2661055 mjk0259
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witness Alan Greenspan - one of her disciples and true believers, destroyer of western civ

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 22:12 | 2661338 A Nanny Moose
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Were Greenspank a true believer, he would have engaged in such subterfuge as to end the system of fiat as we know it.

Ordo ab Chao.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 18:15 | 2670473 BigJim
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 witness Alan Greenspan - one of her disciples and true believers, destroyer of western civ

You're suggesting Central Banking - the means by which Greenspan fucked everything up - is something of which Rand would approve?

You're truly slippery, you know that?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 20:53 | 2661168 Calmyourself
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You know what is broken the vote you are supposed to have to allow your workers to unionize hypocrite..  But of course you take all the risk and demonize AR, typical lib thinking with only the portion of their brain that directly beenfits them..  How is that trough treating you??

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:58 | 2660190 Ol Man
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Ayn Rand was paid for her work.  While you may consider authors, philosophers and historians as unproductive, it is not the issue.  She did not leech off of taxpayers.

Irony indeed...


Sun, 07/29/2012 - 19:28 | 2661057 mjk0259
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I doubt she paid enough medicare tax to pay for her Medicare lung cancer treatment which she got under a different name so her followers would not know.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 22:16 | 2661342 A Nanny Moose
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Thank you for pointing out the unsustainble nature of the coercive system under which we operate. Does it appear that Rand obfucated? You bet? But again....taking back your stolen property from thieves by working within the very system which they've created is certainly justified. Beats vio-fucking-lence.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:55 | 2660195 Bee
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Unlike many movies and the original 3 networks; no government subsidies paid for her writing.  Unlike Obamacare she did not have laws forcing people to buy her books.  People bought her books because they valued them individually.  Learning from books is not unproductive.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:12 | 2660224 fonzannoon
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that was my point bee. i think gully is wrong in assuming what rand would think about this author for the reasons u gave.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:15 | 2660231 i-dog
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Gully is a known troll. (Just sayin'....)

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:05 | 2660330 LetThemEatRand
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So trolling is now expanded to include anyone who says something with which you disagree?  Seems to me that Gully was commenting entirely on topic, discussing Rand in an article which quotes her with reverance.  Many in the intertubes believe that trolls -- who by correct definition are those who post off-topic simply to incite anger --  should be banned from discussion boards.  Interesting that just a few posts up you suggest (vaguely) that there are those who wish to shut up the Randites, when all the time it is you who seeks to stifle expression with which you disagree.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:16 | 2660350 fonzannoon
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LTER as the situation becomes more desperate people will become more polarized. The exact opposite of what I would hope would happen. As they become more polarized they will continue to focus on those who disagree with them instead of coming together and taking out the assholes on both sides who have colluded against them and profit everyday from their inability to see through the bullshit.

Obawney 2012

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:41 | 2660381 Think for yourself
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+1'd you because I also disagree about dismissing arguments simply because one labels a poster a "troll". If he's trolling, then his arguments are twisted, sophistic or similar, so they can be dealt with. Dismissing them as trolling is sophistic in itself, an attack on the messenger.

Unless of course the troll is persistent and his arguments have been dealt with already and he keeps twisting/trying to derail the discussion, which indeed does not seem to be the case.

However, if I might ask, how would the comment "I always enjoy when people Rand would despise as bloated ticks feeding off the success of others, cite her. Fucking hypocrites all." apply to CR's David Galland? It might not be trolling per say, but if it isn't, then it is still pretty close as it is a very agressive and demeaning affirmation which is not sustantified in any way by Gully.



Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:54 | 2660404 LetThemEatRand
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It is on topic, and this is fight club, which I point out in deference to Banzaii who noted that referencing fight club to explain away aggressive comments is an important part of the cycle of comments.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:46 | 2660467's picture

So you can dish it out but you can't take it? Oh, well.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 14:06 | 2660470 Think for yourself
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Sure, this is fight club, so comments of any nature are expected. But this is a forum, and in the presence of a cool head, clean rhethoric and clear logic, rational comments win the fight over dirty arguments.

Referencing fight club, then, does explain away the presence of aggressive comments, but does not justify them. Thus my objection still stands; how would Gully, or you, justify his assertion that Rand would despise the article's author as a bloated tick?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:32 | 2660267 Pope Clement
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Fonz - hum or whistle the Internationale much ?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:43 | 2660290 fonzannoon
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I don't hum or whistle Pope. I am partial to Alice in Chains though. For whatever it means to you.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:23 | 2660445 HardAssets
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An author who wrote books that people are willing to freely exchange value for is productive. Yours is a limited view of labor sometimes expoused by some union people or communists. I suppose a singer who sold CDs of their music to people would also be a tick in your opinion ?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:40 | 2660459 fonzannoon
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I get your point, and I do see some productive value in an author or singer. If push comes to shove and the shit hits the fan, the smart singers and authors will learn how to farm and fix things pretty quick. The real good ones will hopefully trade their books etc for food.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 14:19 | 2660509 i-dog
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To give some context: Even during the "evil" times of the English Industrial Revolution in 1861 - when Marx was writing of the exploitation of workers and most energy came from coal mining - only 13% of the population was physically involved in "production" through agriculture, mining or manufacturing.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 23:11 | 2661420 Lednbrass
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Farming and fixing are not things anyone learns quickly. It might seem to someone with no skill or knowledge in either that it can be done easily but the reality is quite different.

If push does come to shove you will either know what you need to ahead of time or it will be too late and at that point Darwin's iron fist will come down hard. Authors and singers will be useless and likely very short lived in such a scenario.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 19:30 | 2661060 mjk0259
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Rand->Greenspan->trillions lost to bankers

Musician not so likely

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 20:20 | 2661128 StychoKiller
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Quite a stretch to imply that Ayn Rand would be in favor of Banksters with "pull" getting rich at the expense of productive citizens.  Re-read "Atlas Shrugged", then get back to us.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 22:18 | 2661344 A Nanny Moose
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Consenting to theft in the first place = Trillions lost to bankers.

Rand would have said the such theft only exists at the consent of its victims. Try again please.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:24 | 2660446's picture


Ayn Rand was an Author, correct? She studied Philosophy and history. She was not a plumber or an electrician or farmer. So technically that would make her more of a bloated tick than a true productive member of society.


Those who enjoy Rand's works pay for the opportunity to acquire and peruse them. She and her readers have trade valued for value. Your disdain for the serious work which the production of art requires is irrelevant.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:53 | 2660480 fonzannoon
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thanks for cutting out the last part of my post.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:58 | 2660486's picture

I replied to the specific portion of your post to which I took exception. If you liked the sample I'll be happy to provide you with further analysis for a small fee.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 14:07 | 2660492 fonzannoon
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Bah, I agree with you. Looking back I guess what I had to say couuld have came out better and it was right to be pointed out.


Sun, 07/29/2012 - 14:37 | 2660535's picture

Please forgive the friendly fire. I know you're one of the good guys but I thought I saw you nodding off.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 14:53 | 2660555 fonzannoon
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Haha pretty much. It's good to have a misguided thought get shredded every once in a while. Helps keep perspective.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:40 | 2660166 ISEEIT
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That is a silly question dumbass-

Jon is one of those people you need to forget.

Move the fuck on.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:47 | 2660431 e_goldstein
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So sayeth the bankster shill.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:44 | 2660172 KK Tipton
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He's out bypassing roadblocks. Drivin right through the stoppin...he's good!


What kind of lame "article" is this?

"No, the best way to "fight back" is to get wise to the whole thing."

Everbody is wise right now. At least those that want to be.
The rest are gonna bite it.
This article is like 3 steps back somewhere.


Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:46 | 2660396 JohnKozac
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Isn't Beverly Hills that 90210 zip where they had the TV show, "90210" few years ago with all those wealthy kids?


Shame to see it plunge like that. Maybe there will be a sequel, "Flip that McMansion?"

Mon, 07/30/2012 - 04:08 | 2661668 Dr. Sandi
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Those aren't McMansions in Beverly Hills. Those are the real thing.

Swimmin' pools, movie stars.

Of course, most of the noveau riche have moved west to Westwood since those Clampetts moved from the hills to "The Hills."

Mon, 07/30/2012 - 06:38 | 2661714 Freewheelin Franklin
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Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:08 | 2660336 F. Bastiat
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When he's in DC, he's typically at the Ritz Carlton.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 19:14 | 2661038 FreedomGuy
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It is mute testimony to the abject corruption that Corzine is free. Hey, all you big government statists and collectivists! Where is all that big government honesty and protection that those tens of thousands of rules and dozens of f**king police agencies are supposed to provide? A clear crook walks free without indictment even! Of course he was a senator and governor with the official state party, the Democrats. Surely some honest Democrat-statist like Eric Holder would take some time from suing the sovereign states to take on one of the evil undertaxed rich like Corzine, right?

For the rest of us libertarian leaning types...this is exactly what we expect from all powerful states. It's not about law, it's about government connections just like any other dysfunctional government from China to S. America. Taxes and law are for the little people and unconnected.

(BTW, does anyone else remember "crash" Corzine's auto accident, lol?)

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 09:58 | 2660113 The Watchman
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Whatever happened to the American social fabric? It's not supposed to be how to soak up other people's productivity. Zombies we've become.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:17 | 2660120 engineertheeconomy
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ANYONE that does not keep Silver in their pocket and attempt to spend it or at the very least leave it as a tip is still a Zombiesheep...

PAPER IS NOT REAL MONEY, it's only monopoly money. The sooner we all stop using it, the sooner we will BRING DOWN THE SYSTEM.

December 21, 2012 

Put it on your calender

Then start using Silver today

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:09 | 2660159 infinity8
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It's way far down their page now, from April 8, but there is a great image with monopoly $ laid out with USD. A friend e-mailed it to me a few weeks ago. I hadn't notice that our newer colorful bills are tinted differently and match up with the monopoly $ colors denomination to denomination, i.e. $5=pink, $10 yellow, etc. Had to look in my wallet. True and disgusting. Slap in the face, still pissed. - some one of you cats with image posting privileges might be so kind to throw it up here for all to see without fishing for it. . .

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:13 | 2660225 Race Car Driver
Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:28 | 2660256 infinity8
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Thanks! And yes, indeed we are being laughed at.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:17 | 2660238 mess nonster
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Spending silver is easy. Getting paid in silver- now that's the trick!

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 19:30 | 2661049 Real Estate Geek
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ANYONE that does not keep Silver in their pocket and attempt to spend it or at the very least leave it as a tip is still a Zombiesheep...

You must be smoking some primo shit if you think I'm going to spread pearls before swine, who will simply dump my Ag into a Coinstar machine. 

I'm happy to spread the word about how $4/gallon gas is really only 20¢ when using real money.  But until I have a realistic chance of replenishing Ag via day-to-day transactions, my Monopoly money is going on the barrelhead and my pre-'64 coins are staying in my Gresham-commemorative coin purse.



Sun, 07/29/2012 - 20:27 | 2661136 StychoKiller
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Sorry, but as long as fools continue to accept worthless paper, instead of REAL MONEY, I'll hang onto my REAL MONEY, educating the few that will listen, one day at a time.  Besides, how many are equipped to make the correct change for a silver dollar?  How many are even aware what the current spot price is?

I always ask:  "Do you still take Federal Reserve Notes?"  You'd be amazed at how many people don't even know what they are, until you hand them one -- thinking is hard WORK!

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:43 | 2660286 Waterfallsparkles
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More and more people are getting the idea that it is better to do nothing and take.  Than produce and be taken from.

The Government will not survive when everyone is a taker.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 19:17 | 2661042 FreedomGuy
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I like the way you said that. I plan tp plagiarize that, lol.

Mon, 07/30/2012 - 04:09 | 2661669 Dr. Sandi
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Whatever happened to the American social fabric?

The American social fabric was covered with cum spots, so it's been sent to China for a thorough cleaning.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 09:58 | 2660114 negative rates
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Why are they called "elites" then? You know, the big non-producers.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:16 | 2660127 Racer
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Leeches not elite methinks!

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:03 | 2660118 Duke of Con Dao
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the third in the series of 'You Didn't Build That' movies featuring our Prez and Alec Guinness:

YouTube - 'Obi-Wan Kenobi... You Didn't Build!' sez President Obama

May the Force be with you! 


Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:48 | 2660177 TPTB_r_TBTF
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SOLYNDRA employee to Obama:

you're right Sir, we didnT build that!



Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:14 | 2660229 nmewn
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Average taxpayer looking at the national debt...we didn't build that.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:12 | 2660122 Intelligence_In...
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Big government is ruining the world. I'm a government contractor and I know first hand the gross incompetence and waste that the government can dish out.  I should be fired.


I heart Ayn Rand.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:17 | 2660126 Gully Foyle
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Oh please BIGOV is no more incompetent nor corrupt than the average business creature.

Carlin points out that glaringly avoided fact.


 Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope.'"

George Carlin

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:22 | 2660136 fonzannoon
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"Romney 2012...The public sucks, fuck hope."

That's actually pretty good.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:16 | 2660427 Think for yourself
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Of course BigGov is much more corrupt than the average businesses. If you're a corrupt fuck, power necessarily attracts you like a flame does a moth. So the most corrupt gravitate and accumulate in nexuses of power, BigCorp, BigFinance, BigGov, until there is litteraly a phase change in that nexus and the corruption takes over the normal function entirely.

Of course you'll also see it in the average business but at a far milder concentration.

Moreover, Carlin might have been right about lots of stuff, and this quote of his is a good start, but he fails to have a systemic view of the problem. Individuals, society, corps and and gov are not isolated entities. They form an interrelated system in which actions of each part causes feedback in the others. Thus necessarily the actions that have the most effect on the entire system are those caused by the entity that can apply the most force to it: BigGov.

Of course, the public sucks, but the way the political system is set up, they do not elect random Redneck Bill to go in there and screw up stuff like an idiot. No. It is a highly competitive system, in which only the smartest, most vicious fucks will win. Then they get in and not only screw up stuff like an idiot, but rather systematically corrupt it in the cleverest way they can.

The public is under constant assault by the matrix, if you will, which is the environment they grow up in and need to adapt to. Shit culture, shit religion, shit lifestyle, shit attitude, shit corporations, shit "education", shit media, shit medicine, shit food, shit air, shit water, shit airwaves, shit gov, and I'm probably forgetting a few. Of fucking course John Q. Public will turn out like shit.

As Krishnamurti said, "It is not a sign of sanity to be adapted to a sick society". Yet, unaware of the fact that this society is profoundly sick, adapting to it is exactly what the average joe - and even the average good guy - will be doing.

And thus the cancer grows.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 16:22 | 2660723 AnAnonymous
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but he fails to have a systemic view of the problem.


He saw it and name it: the systemics is 'Americanism'

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 17:15 | 2660837 Kayman
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Why don't you get a soap box, go to Tiananmen Square and offer some improvements to the Chicom system.  See how long it takes for your Chicom handlers to harvest your organs.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 19:33 | 2661063 mjk0259
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Why would a corrupt fuck go to government when they go to finance and maybe make millions in a couple years instead of in 20 years? Some of the stupider ones do because they can't get jobs in finance. They work in the financial regulation part of government, learn the tricks and then get jobs in finance.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:24 | 2660139 engineertheeconomy
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People are good, the Government is evil and needs to be replaced with an honest, transparent, accountable open source direct democracy like Iceland and Switzerland are working on

Gully Tinfoil you suck donkey balls

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:40 | 2660167 msmith9962
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Maybe it is big/bureaucratic anything which breeds waste and incompetence.  After reaching a certain size (business/government/religion) does the entity continue to exist under its own momentum?  Darwin and the need to be efficient and agile no longer apply. 

People are good; I have to remind myself of this frequently.  However, smaller and more local makes it easier to be good.  My HVAC guy/mechanic is less likely to screw me when he is my neighbor and I see him at the grocery store.  My small credit union knows me and that has paid off on several occasions.    It is easy to screw faceless people thousands of miles away.  My philosophy is evolving with the thanks of ZH.

I’m in the DC area and Just got back from a trip to a lake in rural Maine which restored my faith in humanity, this may become an essential yearly pilgrimage.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:04 | 2660423 RichardP
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When the builders of the boats are the uncles of those who will sail them, the boats will be seaworthy.

Don't remember who said that.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:50 | 2660473's picture

Molly Brown?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:05 | 2660189 TPTB_r_TBTF
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engineertheeconomy screamed BS:

People are good [sic]


You know that business down the road from you, the one you always patronize?  Well guess what, that guy doesnT always pay the sales tax.  But ... as you already know: *He*always*charges*YOU*sales*tax*.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:09 | 2660217 engineertheeconomy
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Whatever that is that you are smoking, it must be some gooood shit!

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:31 | 2660261 TPTB_r_TBTF
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I like it.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:44 | 2660465 mkhs
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Anyway, he is screwing the state, and you have no liability. 

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:40 | 2660380 Winston Churchill
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Yep.He is just the UNPAID collector of your taxes.

I for one am sick and tired of being an unpaid tax collector.

Fuck 'them.,Lazy overpaid incompetents all.

Tax strike.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 17:21 | 2660855 Kayman
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"that guy doesnT always pay the sales tax"

What a pissy, pathetic, dishonest statement.  Are you referring to yourself or trying to insult all small businesses.


Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:32 | 2660266 Vooter
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I'm no fan of the federal government, but let's face it--most Americans (like most people everywhere) are fucking idiots. They don't read, they drown themselves in TV, sugar and booze, and they spend their lives trying to out-cheer their neighbors when it comes to supporting the home team (America) as it bludgeons the rest of the world with its "goodness." The United States, for the most part, is a nation of fat, shallow, illiterate MONKEYS...

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:02 | 2660313 i-dog
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While your observations on the abilities of the average employee-parent-student-functionary in the American population are less than kind, I'm not sure that providing each of them with a full-time babysitter and wet nurse has done anything to improve their lot or their abilities!!

For 170 years (that's at least 6 full generations!) the early settlers and 'founding fathers' of America were able to set up a functioning economy from scratch -- and with sufficient self-organisation to not only prosper but also take on, and defeat, the world's great Imperial Powers of the time!

There was no central government in America from 1620 until the founders of the Union in 1776 were konned by a kohort of Khazarians into konverting it to a Federal Republik in 1789!!

Employers and well-meaning neighbours are well able to keep the average couch potato heading in the right direction without the need to set up a central babysitting service located 2,000 miles away!

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:45 | 2660394 A Nanny Moose
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If people are good, why do we need government, and men in blue costumes, with guns?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:50 | 2660402 AnAnonymous
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Because of US citizenism...

US citizens revelled in crushing stateless societies.

They were glorifying the use of the State when they were doing so.

Dont believe US citizens who declare that the State is bad.

As usual, US citizens do not disagree with the state inherent tyranny, they disagree with being tyranized by the State.

Lamenters who fear that the power of the US citizen state is turned against them instead of working for them.

That is all. US citizenism is all about duplicity.

They rejoiced when the State worked for them. They are now feeling very uncomfortable at the thought the State might work against them.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:32 | 2660452 AmericanFUPAcabra
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i hate you

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 17:26 | 2660859 Kayman
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Don't hate Ananon. Hate his handlers.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:39 | 2660458 A Nanny Moose
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This is actually not a bad breakdown. Now, let's turn it around. If people are so obviosly corruptible, why would we vote them the power to tell the rest of the people what to do, then hand them all the guns?

Mon, 07/30/2012 - 04:14 | 2661670 Dr. Sandi
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Because, as a group, we're too stupid to live?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:46 | 2660469 mkhs
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To enforce their dictates?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 10:37 | 2660162 Intelligence_In...
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Entrepreneurs are ready and willing to provide quality services and products to the consumer but are hindered by the bureaucratic tyranny Obama and his socialist regime enforce.

Regulations need to be destroyed so the flood gates of prosperity can trickle down. Time to unleash the job creators. Privatize everything so the effeciency of free market capitalism can be truely realized.  


Ayn Rand is right up there with Jesus. 

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:08 | 2660210 LetThemEatRand
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Putting aside the irony that I pay your salary with my small business (you admit elsewhere that you are a government contractor), I have a question.  Do you Rand cult members have some kind of unholy communion where you slaughter something on a regular basis?  The Jesus comment made me curious, especially given that Rand was openly anti-organized religion (other than her own).

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 11:59 | 2660309 fonzannoon
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I may not agree with LTER all the time but he is funny as shit. On a more serious note how did he find out about our meetings?

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:49 | 2660401 A Nanny Moose
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Somebody gave him the secret handshake.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 13:54 | 2660481's picture

Just don't give him the key to the Koch brothers' washroom. I like to nap in there.

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