In the wake of J.P. Morgan’s epic speculatory fail a whole lot of commentators are talking about regulation. And yes — this was speculation — if Dimon gets to call these activities “hedging portfolio risk“, then I have the right to go to Vegas, play the Martingale roulette system, and happily call it “hedging portfolio risk” too, because hey — the Martingale system always wins in theory.
From Bloomberg:
The Volcker rule, part of the Dodd-Frank financial reform law, was inspired by former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker. It’s supposed to stop federally insured banks from making speculative bets for their own profit — leaving taxpayers to bail them out when things go wrong.
As we have said, banks have both explicit and implicit federal guarantees, so the market doesn’t impose the same discipline on them as, say, hedge funds. For this reason, the Volcker rule should be as airtight as possible.
Proponents of regulation point to the period of relative financial stability between the enactment of Glass-Steagall and its repeal. But let’s not confuse Glass-Steagall with what’s on the table today. It’s a totally different ball game.
To be honest, I think the Volcker rule is extremely unlikely to be effective, mostly because megabanks can bullshit their way around the definitional divide between proprietary and hedging. If anything, I think the last few days have proven the ineffectiveness, as opposed to the necessity of the Volcker rule. Definitions are fuzzy enough for this to continue. And whatever is put in place will be loopholed through by teams of Ivy League lawyers. What is the difference between hedging and speculation, for example? In my mind it’s very clear — hedging is betting to counterbalance specific and explicit risks, for example buying puts on a held equity. In the mind of Jamie Dimon, hedging is a fuzzy form of speculative betting to guard against more general externalities. I know that I am technically right, and Dimon is technically wrong, but I am also fairly certain that Dimon and his ilk can bend regulators into accepting his definition.
What we really need is a system that enforced the Volcker principle:
As Matt Yglesias notes:
Once bank lawyers finish finding loopholes in the detailed provisions, whatever they prove to be, the rule will probably have little meaningful impact.
The problem with principles-based regulation in this context is that you might fear that banks will use their political influence to get regulators to engage in a lot of forebearance. The problem with rules-based regulation in this context is that it’s really hard to turn a principle into a rule.
And I fear that nothing short of a return to Glass-Steagall — the explicit and categorical separation of investment and retail banking — will even come close to enforcing the Volcker principle.
Going even further, I am not even sure that Glass-Steagall will assure an end to this kind of hyper-risky activities that lead to crashes and bailouts.
The benefits of the Glass-Steagall era (particularly the high-growth 1950s and 1960s) were not solely derived from banking regulation. America was a very different place. There was a gold exchange standard that limited credit creation beyond the economy’s productive capacity (which as a Bank of England study recently found is correlated with financial and banking stability). But beyond that, America was creditor to the world, and an industrial powerhouse. And I’m sure Paul Krugman would hastily point out that tax revenues on the richest were as high as 90% (although it must be noted that this made no difference whatever for tax revenues). And we should not forget that it was that world that give birth to this one.
Anyone who worked in finance in the decade before Glass-Steagall was repealed knows that prior to Gramm-Leach-Bliley the megabanks just took their hyper-leveraged activities offshore (primarily to London where no such regulations existed). The big problem (at least in my mind) with Glass-Steagall is that it didn’t prevent the financial-industrial complex from gaining the power to loophole and lobby Glass-Steagall out of existence, and incorporate a new regime of hyper-leverage, convoluted shadow banking intermediation, and a multi-quadrillion-dollar derivatives web (and more importantly a taxpayer-funded safety net for when it all goes wrong: heads I win, tails you lose).
I fear that the only answer to the dastardly combination of hyper-risk and huge bailouts is to let the junkies eat dirt the next time the system comes crashing down. You can’t keep bailing out hyper-fragile systems and expect them to just fix themselves. The answer to stupidity is not the moral hazard of bailouts, it is the educational lesson of failure. You screw up, you take more care next time. If you’re bailed out, you just don’t care. Corzine affirms it; Iksil affrims it; Adoboli affirms it. And there will be more names. Which chump is next? If you’re trading for a TBTF bank right now — especially if your trading pattern involves making large bets for small profits (picking up nickels in front of steamrollers) — it could be you.
I fear that the only effective regulation was that advocated way back before Gramm-Leach-Blilely by Warren G and Nate Dogg:
We regulate any stealing off this property. And we’re damn good too. But you can’t be any geek off [Wall] street, gotta be handy with the steel, if you know what I mean, earn your keep.



fuck look at him! god i fucking hate that slimey fuck!
thoughts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTBbuQmeWvM
What a fuck face that fuckin Lloyd fucker is. Fuck.
i really hate his face. hate is a strong word i know but in this instance it is certainly warranted! He's such a fcuk
There's no OFF POSITION to the STUPID switch.
Rope and lamp posts for JPM bigshits!
They took that pic of him when he saw Banzai7's remake of the time cover. He can't wait until Jamie gets off Ben's tit so he can have a turn.
the entire industry is based on selling to greater fools based on unlimited stupidity of those whose money are easily parted.
unfortunately, there is no cure for stupidity.
Yeah, but be careful....This is why they made hate a crime...Someone knew it would come in handy someday....And, attributing disgusting physical attributes to crimes has shades of Nazi Germany in it....Just saying....Though, I have to agree, I hate that face.
Uh, more regulation is actually an enabler of stupidity. If "they" can point to a number of specific examples in the regs, "they" are excused from not considering the consequences of their actions.
Yep. Contractors do it all the time. “I was following the specification.”
only good regulation is letting free market's will to bring banksters back to reality.
When JPM and other banksters go bankrupt and eventually nationalized, you don't need regulations.
A regulation is nothing more than a way your not allowed to steal anymore.
I thought that regulations were the rules for theft.
And the caption under his picture should read, " Those stupid fucking politicians made good the $13 billion AiG bet. Can you fucking believe it. Bonuses all around boys, bonuses all around."
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His face has been buttfucked.
bill gates got the pie in his face
when is this schmuck going to get some feces thrown at his face?
any unemployed college kid out there, film banksters while getting hit with shit on their face, upload it to youtube and make money that way.
With a face like that you'd have to bribe the guillotine blade to do its job.
I wonder if his smile would fade when they showed him the stump of his neck ?
This is just another post to through us off, and have us chasing/ not chasing the root cause of all this shit. It tries to make a case that Glass Steagall would not have prevented any of this, WRONG. It's not just Glass Steagall, but ALL the banking regulation put in after the Great Depression by FDR. Stop taking the bait.
Stop taking the bait, adding more beauorcratic idiots to point fingers at each other and making it more and more difficult for smaller banks to even exist is part of the problem not part of the solution.
Some of these banks like WAMU not only preceeded Glass Steagall they predated most of the regulatory system.
Not until the pinnacle of regulations and reserves did they go under.
Seven federal regulators and state regulators oversee the banks, that is the most ever,
they had and have amongst the highest reserves in the world.
When shit hit fan it did not matter and no moving around the shells is going to change that,
in fact the problem is they have successfully created a situation where it is very difficult to open a bank and as a result the larger banks continue getting larger which insures further bailout which insures further risky behvior.
The problem is they know they are free rolling, as long as that is the case no amount of rules or regulations will make an iota of difference.
You're the perfect poster child for this thread. Pun intended.
Mae K,
Well fucking played. You had me laughing...
Hi All,
Criminality isn't spelled "stupidity." Regulation already exists to prevent the bubble that caused this bust.
It is called Section 2A of the Federal Reserve Act. Look it up and read it. The Fed has a SINGULAR MANDATE NOT A DUAL MANDATE. Read that again. THERE IS NO DUAL MANDATE.
This graph is all you need to know about the Fed's CRIME SPREE contrary to ALREADY EXISTING LEGISLATION.
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3324744/wmdebt-graph-3-79k?tr=77
Now, it would be stupid to assign this criminal activity to stupidity so the criminals get off Scott-free. That would be dumb.
The above graph is a tactic. If you want a graph of the overall strategy, it is found here:
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3325954/debt-dollar-tyranny-2-54k?tr=77
This economic collapse isn't a story of stupidty, it is a story of criminality. Don't fall for the false narrative like so many have fallen for the "dual mandate" false narrative.
Mama sed: Muppets is as Muppets does. [/Gump]
100% regulation or 100% transparency, take your pick paper pushers. Decide quickly, however, because that "full faith and credit" thing isn't working so long a the fraud remains unprosecuted. Soon enough your paper promises won't mean shit. Here, have some more rope...
That is the real problem in many poor countries. No rule of law and no faith that promises will be kept
After all a bond, check, or loan is a promise
Faith that promises will be kept is why some governments can sell bonds and some cant
Our government is apparently doing everything possible to destroy respect and faith in our financial system
Killer question: why is it that your implication excludes regulation AND transparency?
After all, if there were to be any regulation, shouldn't it be transparent and NOT centralized to a powerful few?
Heck, what about.... what if large financial transactions were transparent to the public by law and action.... and regulation almost "barbarian"-style, happened by a "simple" handful of universal unambigious rules, combined with plain "the mob hates you, you're out!"?
Yeah, it's "primitive" and almost "anarchy".... but would the results be worse, than the ponzi-owned pretense of "regulation" we have now?
As i see it: Just establish a few simple unambigious rules (among them, a speed limit to exchanges, and public investigation of "paper claims vs. real backing").... and let the rest be ruled by "if the mob unambigiously hates you, fuck you!".... and even though it may not be perfect, it sure as hell will perform better than what we have now.
One or the other will work just fine so Long there are consequences for bad behavior. Making thing complicated allows loopholes to be created.
Well, this is why i dislike the popular idea if "responsibility".... it frequently is used to imply, that one can "do" something, without being the one one "takes the blame for it". So basically, a split between action, and reaction.... arbitrarily reroutable.... or in short "i may have done it, but hey, blame it on someone else 'responsible' for me."
If the majority of actors, were actually judged for THEIR actions (including their share of influence on a matter).... our entire economic, financial and social system would break down instantly, and would have to be replaced by anything remotely honest. Because, it would basically render dishonesty regarding own actions, into a crime.
TL/DR: Full ACK.
And bust up the banks, so when the fail, who gives a shit.
Here's my sense of regulation- you lie to the public, you lie to the regulator, and you get fined in a huge way. None of this millions or tens of millions garbage. You get fined a percentage of your market cap, like 20% or 25%. And clawbacks of all the people who were in the chain of command to make the lie happen.
Other than that, just report things truthfully. You want to blow yourself up making dumb ass bets, then be our guests. We just want the shareholders to transparently see that you are a dumb ass before they buy a single share. And if you aren't an idiot, they will see that too. Guess who has the better market cap in this situation.
Regulators should be there to make sure that the banks tell the truth and the whole truth. Require multiple risk measures to be reported. Require mark-to-market and mark-to-model disclosures. Then anyone with half a brain can see how loony the models are. Can I get an amen?
Fines need to be more than dollars. If it's in dollars, it will just be considered "the cost of doing business".
The fine has to be for something more valuable. Release intellectual property into the public domain. Let's see those algorithms. Let's see the research. Something that has far great implications than just cash.
Clawbacks are a good idea as well. It has to carry more meaning than the current penalty system (if one even exists...)
Regulation would work if it provided for clawback of all ill-gotten gains and then some from the individuals who currently profit from finding ways around regulation. Right now, the bankers have endless incentive to find the "loopholes" this author mentions because they keep the profit and someone else carries the risk of loss. The bankers who are "resigning" from JPM Monday keep their millions. So they get the last laugh as they move on to the next carcass on which to feast. No one in the mainstream is seriously discussing clawbacks. Instead, we get endless debate about tweaking rules that are ultimately meaningless while all the money continues to flow to the very top.
The only thing that will work (IMO) is to break the big ones up and re-institute Glass-Steagall. We don't need 5,000 more regulators watching porn on our dime.
The nature of this beast is its taxpayer backed (socialized) on any catastrophic loss, while any profit is shared among the interconnected playas (including pols via campaign contributions, city & federal tax revenue and job placement after "public service").
Its the worst of all scenarios, everyone can see it.
Wall Street has a symbiotic relationship with NYC & DC...through that, they are one and the same so its hopeless to re-re-re-regulate them after they come down with the clap every five years or so...so (in keeping with the day...lol) just cut the apron strings to Momma Taxpayer.
Bust them up as the societal danger they represent now, as any sane government should do to protect the society they are there to protect & serve, telling them...you're free little birdies, fly, fly away, fly where you will...but stay away from the cats & wolves...Momma won't be there for you.
Happy Mothers Day all you mutha's ;-)
In order to reinstitute Glass Steagal, we voters would have to form a lobby and out bid the Bankster Lobby that bought the destruction of glass steagal...
I hear ya...out bid or voted out.
Going against the "conventional wisdom" of some commentators here at the Hedge...until votes are proven to not matter, I'll continue to do so.
I've never been shy about my fiscal conservative principles regarding government, its limits and what can be tolerated by me to live where others have a diametrically opposing view to me.
To that end, Senator Lugar is another one gone. Just like Senator Bennett in Utah last election, who now is tied in to a cyber security firm. And a raft of other "posers" in 2010.
One side is cleaning house, for better or worse. I expect reciprocity (not just Bwaney/Dodd retirements slinking off to enjoy the spoils) or all bets are off on my end and it will be as it always has been throughout history...which I don't think anyone wants.
An alliance against a common foe is preferable...for now...until we can talk some sense into them...lol.
The only thing that will work (IMO) is to break the big ones up
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But, but, but, cant you get rich as much as you want?
JP & GS etc. are very much like the elitist snobs in your politburo over there where you live, Agent Ho.
Earning, taking risks, being productive and gaining wealth as a consequence of that, is very much different from siphoning off the system that you find in place around you.
Try and keep up.
I have witnessed many bank audits. Anybody that thinks that more banking regulation is a panacaea has never witnessed the complete imbeciles that have been hired to be the regulators.
The system is made of humans. Make it simple. Make it stark. Avoid complication. There is no other way.
Anybody that thinks that more banking regulation is a panacaea has never witnessed the complete imbeciles that have been hired to be the regulators.
The system is made of humans.
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No. They are not stupid enough not to know that in US citizen economics, they derive their revenues from the entities they audit.
Put them out of business, and they put themselves out of business.
US citizen economics is what selects people who are adapted to them.
It has little to do with human nature. It is the result of social selection as led by US citizenism driven societies.
I'm sorry, could you rephrase that comment?
I left my Roadside-Shitting-Baboon-to-English dictionary at home today.
Did you witness William K Black in action? With over 1,000 nonfictional convictions the world could use a few more 'imbeciles' like him to mete out some well-deserved 'remedy'... but you're right, to be effective he needs regulations with teeth, not more hocus-pocus.
I thought the regulation was there to promote stupidity?
"She is also among the highest paid executives at the bank, making $15.5 million in 2011 and over $15.9 million in 2010."
"I fear that the only answer to the dastardly combination of hyper-risk and huge bailouts is to let the junkies eat dirt the next time the system comes crashing down"
Doesn't look like she is going to be eating dirt... bailouts or no... . So let JPM come crashing down. What do these people care? She cashed out 30 million in the past few years. I fail to see how letting banks fail will impose discipline. The only real solution is to make prop traders and bank executives personally liable for their bets.
Agreed. The Corporate Entity is only a legal edifice of OPM serving as cover for self-dealing white shoe gangsters. Put their skin in. All of it.
Of course regulation cant stop stupidity or gaming the system. The only thing that stops those things is to let failure fail and avoid bailouts
Moral hazard just makes it worse
To put it more succinctly -
Can you reverse the rot of corruption, of wealthy interests who have America's lawyers and judges twisting the law for their purposes, and among American regulators in a government that serves the whims of American oligarchs ... oligarchs who control the US media, the US courts, and the US political process?
The answer is probably: Without a revolution, No.
A simple arrest would be a good start I agree. "The laws are already on the books." I would think given the scope and scale of debt issuance "tossing the rule of law over board" is the most ignorant thing imaginable. "Why are people buying all that debt in the first?"
The American people are 99% against the 2008-2012 bankster bailouts, but to no avail. The banksters just keep buying the politicians, with our money. Talk about a completely rigged system.
Sorry about yelling at you the other day.
Regulation of clearly defined rules of behavior, coupled with the loss of personal freedom (jail time,) destitution in the form of loss of wealth, claw back provisions for fraud, and the shame of losing the good graces of society - all combined, should be sufficient deterent to prevent most of the present behavior of the current and future crop of banksters.
the road to hell is paved with QE. and junkies bottom out, die or go on and on.
QE enables the banksters and their lawyers to find bolder and bolder loopholes, because when you know you can potentially get away with anything and get bailed by taxpayer monies, then your mechanics for creating said loopholes is to infinity. Get it? Got it? Good.
Can regulation prevent banking stupidity?
NO....but guaranteed bankruptcy, clawbacks and insolvency will damn sure prevent most of it.
Thumbs up but throw in some prosecution and stop the Bankster's from buying our politicians and it would at least cut down on it.
THE CHICAGO WAY: JUSTICE FOR SALE AT HOLDER'S DOJ
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/07/justice-for-sale-holder
JPMorgan Employees Join Goldman Sachs Among Top Obama Donors By Jonathan D. Salant - Mar 20, 2012 11:01 PM CT
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-20/jpmorgan-employees-join-goldman-sachs-among-top-obama-donors.html
Dumb and dumber: Avoid the big banks
Fucking Blanknuts. Shut him down and lock him the fuck up.
Fucking queer.
Why insult gay people like that?
In case you haven't noticed all these bankster/politician queers are fucking things up.
Even if you disapprove of homosexual behavior, not all "queers" are so low as banksters and politicans. They have enough stigma without all being falsely associated with the banking criminal set.
Well they seem to be heavily represented at the top during this economic shakedown of the people euphemistically called the "Great Recession". Doesn't look very lefty.
backroom intense play is queer in straight laced puritan circles; queer is normal in banking circles as there to be straight is abnormal, its all back room high frequency auto hand jobbing. You can't make bonuses by playing straight. What is queer is that queer is normal when its money but abnormal when its sex. If queers only stayed amongst queer people then someone normal would become queer amongst them.
I'll never have a beer when I stand over a toilet; you never know it might suck my beer instead of emptying my other end, if it happens to be a queer toilet.
There is no law against stupidity, There are laws against criminal stupidity. Why are not some of these fuckers in the joint?
Of COURSE there are laws against stupidity. This is a stupid article.
Hehe most white collar crimes depend on mindset. Fraud isnt fraud sometimes if they cant prove you werent just stupid
That is the difference between a clawback and a clawback plus criminal penalties
Only stupid people can get convicted of fraud. Smart peoPle in my field can avoid conviction by playing stupid
Strange world i work in!
This man should hang for doing god's work.
The only way to save capitalism is to have total transparency, not regulation. Metadata identifying the component of what investment documents consist of without encryption, is the only solution so, if GS sells toxic crap to Fred, the metadata identifying the components of the crap along with the accompanying data must be accessible to all, potential investors. If any firm not compliant with this, gets shut down, period. You get this transparency with food, why not finance? This concept was first put forth by Daniel Roth, a guy who really understand finance, tech and the web. If this had been in place, the fubar we now face would never have happened because risk would be part of the equation, something that works for me, not crony capitalism as practiced by the banksters and the compliant politicians who work for them.
Made me laugh. US citizens have this knack at behaving US citizen way. It is so wonderful.
Yes, yes, engaging in an attrition showdown works perfectly fine as long as the other side control less resources.
Funny when you think of the middle class bias: happy when done on others than themselves, mad when done on them.
Transparency is on the way. US citizens have spending quite some resources in building devices to make life transparent.
Whatsoever, your life will be transparent much sooner than the life of people the measures are supposed to aim. Attrition and battle lost before being fought.
They will beat any of your attempts at making them transparent.
The worst flawed thinking pattern: transparency warrants nothing.
It is a bit weird that US citizens, whose system praises so much the group, are still trying to sell the idea that an act being known by the group would mean an act being censored or condemned.
It is quite weird after a few years with the torture pics being spread.
The military personal were transparent to their own, to their hierarchy who knew of it. They perceived no wrong in it.
The question is how much time before the US citizen public or middle class perceive no wrong in them either.
With US citizen big taste for inequality, the end term is known: for the very same act, some will get censored, others will get praised.
In this context, transparency is once again another US citizen cheap trick to divert from the core cause of the current situation: US citizenism.
Ah, ah, fantasy best thrives in native fantasy environment, that being Chinese citizenism.
Self thriving fantasy of Chinese citizenism too bizarre even for strange Hollywood standards.
A denial and offuscation typical to Chinese citizenism though. As expected from a Chinese citizenism citizen, since self indiction does not exist in Chinese citizenism.
You yourself have gladly and willingly embraced fantasy US citizenism for yourself, living your life according to fantasy US citizenism principles.
Woooo, that is superb. My, my, my.
But hey, Chinese citizenism is famous for reversal of cause and effect.
As Confucius say, "US citizenism is nothing more than Chinese citizenism looking in mirror."
It is funny how Chinese citizenism citizen look for symetry.
Undubiously, your argumentation makes you look like a clown compared to his.
Why regulate - just nationalize and be done with it; or conversely, let them run amok as they see fit with the ultimate penalty being failure. Trying to claim a private sector banking system with government regulations at every turn which can be trimmed, adjusted, skirted, manipulated, and minunderstood (whatever is required) accomplished nothing. They get the profits and we get the losses (ala Hillary cattle futures trading) is getting very old, since the profits and the losses are both paid by us.
As to the "stupidity" issue, do not misunderestimate these people. They know exactly what they are doing, and they know there may be rich rewards but very few if any penalties for failure. Some might consider that "smart" rather than "stupid."
None of this shit happened the way it is now when Glass-Steagal was in place. All this PR to cement in my mind that regulation/law NEVER worked isn't persuading me, liars. Keep trying.
The only way to regulate stupidity is to not backstop stupidity. Unfortunately our entire government is about backstopping stupidy from people to corporations to banks. Something was on today and they were talking about GM bailout and of course someone trots out the old, "it isn't just about GM but the whole supply chain manufacturing." COMPLETE BS. Here's the deal, people are going to buy X cars per year. If GM failed, some other car manufacturers are going to sell X cars per year and the suppliers would or could sell to those manufacturers. The world doesn't fucking end. Stupidity at GM would mean that GM goes out of business. This leaves a void that is filled by the remaining manufacturers and opens the possibility of emerging manufacturers. Instead, we get to bailout the idiots at GM and they continue to do the things that are "successful."
The same thing with banks. I keep hearing if we don't allow these banksters to make stupid bets and backstop them then they won't be competetive in the world market? As my mom would say, "Did you just hear what you said?" The fucking world banking market is full of fucking bankrupt banks; Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, UK, USA, France, Germany, Greece.....etc. What competetiveness are we supposedly keeping alive? It is some fucking race to the bottom which is fine with me as long as some dickwad doesn't come looking in my wallet to help pay for it all. Fuck em.
Probably no. Solution : break up the big banks so that if one bank (or 10) blow up, it doesn't matter to the whole system.
Spider, He made a funny face Spider
It's far too late to let them eat dirt just by letting it collapse ... they don't just own most of the credit, they also own most of fucking everything at this point. The financial industry could collapse tomorrow and they and their descendants for many generations would still keep eating gourmet dinners.
tougher regulations can prevent Jamie Demon to fuck him self.
Bernanke built the too big to fail. Regulations can't help Bernanke.
Should anyone in the finance sector make any decision at all on financial regulation? No. Automatic Conflict of Interest. I remember reading the housing bubble was supposed to be at its absolute worst in 2012. Good. The more bankers, hedge fund managers and day traders destitute, broke, unemployed, and on food stamps, the better off the world will be.
Nobody lends me hundreds of Billions of Free Money to go to the casino.
Dude, Let's get one thing clear here. Nobody has to lend these crooks 10 cents they are using your deposits...swapping shit back and forth and charging each other fees for it. So let's recap...What are they doing? ROBBING THE FUCKING BANKS IN BROAD DAYLIGHT.
Just in case anyone here was confused.
Remember Dodd-Frank? The SOLUTION? Barney and Chris completely left out Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the FHA from regulatory. It is a classic regulatory capture. Government wants MORE power and they need friends.
http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/05/13/regulation-jpmorgan-chase-and-the-parable-of-the-titanic-and-eastland/
What is this b a n k i n g r e g u l a t i o n you speak of..?
Oh, and there is absolutely no cure for stupidity.
Great article.The gambling in vegas comparison to hedging was particularly hilarious and accurate.
Thanks.
PS. Dimon ie only one letter from Demon.....A coincidence?I doubt it.
http://monetaryfreedom-billwoolsey.blogspot.com/2009/10/crisis-and-glass...
No. The objective should be to protect everyone else from their stupidity.
how tall is he? he looks like a little puny shrimp. How do these bald ugly weaklings get so much money. we really don't need that polluting the gene pool
They're heartless. They're smarter than average. They're maniacal.
Can Banking Regulation Prevent Stupidity?
The only stupidity is the stupidity of the author of this article.
Since '08 we've seen 3-1/2 years of constant bank bailouts and "recapitalizatons" from central banks with printed money.
It should be clear by now it's not banker stupidity, it's not one gambling goofup after another, it's not one "oops" after another.
It's a 3-1/2 year looting spree, bankers looting nations of their wealth, under the cover story of "we gotta save the banks".
It's not banker stupidity, it's banker genius. They figured out how to loot a nation dry under a cover story most people would accept.
No, banks don't have to be saved. They can go bankrupt and go out of business just like any other business.
But they have federally insured deposits? So the government must save them?
Bullshit. Every week a few small banks are seized and shut down by FDIC. Deposits are covered and transferred to another bank. The rest of the bankrupt bank goes out of business, disappears.
Too big to fail? Systemically important?
Bullshit. NO bank is too big to fail. NO bank is "systemically important".
TBTF is just another cover story to hide large scale looting, and big Wall Street banks are looting massive amounts of wealth from America.
No, it's not stupidity. It takes brains to figure out how to loot an entire nation dry.
"The only stupidity is the stupidity of the author of this article."
Well said all in all geezer, one would think this would be obvious to someone claiming to be a financial commentator like Aziz but nooooooo...
Reading stuff like this, on ZH of all places, just chaps my hide.
Well the whole goddamn point of the article was that they need to be thrust off the taxpayer teat. I don't actually care how planned/opportunistic the looting is, but I know that to loot they have to blow up and put themselves into a liquidity crisis, and even if they think that is an easy way to free cash it's still pretty stupid because eventually it will end up in bankruptcy court. Seriously that's like someone with diabetes stopping their medication to get attention...
I thought ZH hated Mr McGoo?
Isn't Mr McGoo the jackass that said regulation was unneeded? Wasn't he the one that admitted he was wrong?
It's my stand that if you have a corrupt society, it doesn't matter what form of government or laws you have. Free enterprise is just as corruptable as regulators.
But at least laws put something down in writing.
Imagine if we extended this logic to murder and theft. We could always say "let's not jail them because they will be dealt with by society. No one will hire them, no one will like them. Let the free market handle murderers and thieves."
What we've seen is that many of the crooks on Wall Street made their money then walked away from the burning ship.
Ahhh, the company will pay! Well not if all the parties walk away millionaires. What incentive do they have to give a shit about the company if they are independantly wealthy?
Cranky
I agree basically with what you wrote, but the article also dealt with the question of preventing financial theft as well.
Let's be generous, allow some poetic license for a headline title, and consider "stupidity" to allude to stupidity all around, including any stupid enough to fall for the bankster's TBTF scam
(and there are a lot of them. Unfortunately, 99% of the public are not opposed to TBTF bailouts, especially when the dear leaders, Republican and Democrat, endorse bailouts to "save us all".)
Ihave a way to fix this, you steal money from the people you get hanged. As a matter of fact, lets have a "Hang a banker a week" event. It really puts the onus on Make Money or Die Trying!!!! Bitches!!!
Here is your evening Talmud reading:
Ch. I, Para IV: The duty of the Jews is to curse the Christians three times everyday, and to pray to God to destroy them all, especially their kings and their governments. This precept applies especially to their religious leaders; it is necessary to stir hatred against the Christians. God gave the Jews the right to take possession of the Christian wealth by all possible ways and means, whether by trade, or by kindness and gentleness, or by cheating and deception, even by theft.
Stupidity or greed? You can be greedy and then stupid too. I feel like calling these criminals "stupid" is taking the blame off them and the system by which they were nurtured.
stupidity would be self regulating in a free market.
Make directors liable. That'll get rid of a quite a few parasites and get the right questions asked. When your ass is on the line….
Regulations? Pfft
Give me contronl of a nations money and I care not who makes her laws
Shh, don't say it, don't say it... they won't like it.
Structurally change the fucking system. The system was not intended to create profits although that's precisely what this system was engineered to do. Pretending that glass dildo's will somehow prevent orgasms is delusional.
Damit, i told you they won't like that idea. Shut up before you get us both beaten mercilessly.
First, define what the economic system is supposed to do. If there is profit, there will always be corruption, as people manipulate mechanisms to maximize profits. Everything is eventually justified away. This is partly why morality is excluded from capitalism. How can anyone speak of morality or ethics in a profit driven system? It is inherently unethical and it begets fraud. No amount of regulation will prevent it which is why it actually never has. Fuck regulation, just design a robust self regulating self balancing system intended to maximize returns for eveyone in society. Does anyone remember their neghbor anymore, or is everyone an adversary?
Doh... Now get the hell out of here.
Are we all brain dead?
The time for talk and whinging is over folks. Just one look at that fuckers face says it all. They dont care, they are not bothered about your average guy or gal who do the right thing, live life playing by the rules.
They dont, simple as that, so the only thing left to your average bloke is for us to band together and stop them. The judiciary wont stop them so I am afraid its gonna have to be us.
The shit these fuckers have got away with is astonishing, but now someone is going to have to put a stop to it. These cunts want showing what happens when you push the average man too far. Out right fucking violence in the most vicious way is the only answer I'm afraid.
You break the law? You ruin millions of peoples lives while doing so? Them you hide behind the government and get them to back stop you? There is only one solution to a mind set like this, death, a fucking violent one at that.
Rant off. ;-)
Stupidity? In what way?
The only way to avoid competition to produce too big too fail is to favour equality over inequality.
Once again, too big to fail is not a product of the government. It is a product of competition.
Too big to fail happens anytime density of competition grows thinner. Meaning that you cant kick one competitor or a group of without feeling the gap that exists between that competitor and the rest of the competitor.
Is it stupid to monetize your status when you are too big to fail? Well, no. On the very end, it also respects competition constraints.
By unloading your own failures on the other competitors, you grow yourself more competitive. Negative play at work.
It is very hard to understand what US citizens are pointing at.
In the end, the valuable bit of info is the same: US citizens are conformist and uniformist.
They advocate for a system but someone else should foot the bill for the negative effects of the system.
The author by displaying the very same attitude than the bankers he disagrees with once again proves that.
Clearly, anti-autism drugs do not exist in the People's Republic of Nosepicking and Roadside Shitting.
"...the next time the fragilista algos and arbitrageurs come clawing to the taxpayer looking for a bailout, the taxpayer must kick them off the teat."
Why not RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE?!
No. Regulation cannot prevent stupidity.
In fact, we should encourage people to be aware of their potential for stupidity, as it will alway occur, by not so much as regulating industries that are so crucial to our society, but by letting them know that we will not tolerate them becoming TBTF. An arbritray size will be set, that once they reach that point, they will be broken up into smaller units, completely unrelated, no interlocking boards of directors, like we used before the civil war.
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Look, more regulation is only invitation for them to try harder to find/invent loopholes so they can continue to pilfer/debase your $$. Those of you who enlist in the "lets change the system club" are obviously not paying attention to current events, let alone history - those who profit most from the bailouts will continue to grease the wheels of our precious kleptocracy with taxpayer bailout money and steal, steal, steal. You can't stop them... you're a powerless pawn on a chessboard - accept it... accept talk as lip service and count on broken promises. Capital hill is bought and paid for and it's top-down management boyz... the zeitgeist is steal all you can while you can and live it up... hedonism/greed rule - always have, always will. They pass rules to keep the rest of us in line (insider trading for example) while exempting themselves from activities that would otherwise get those who elected them indicted. If you cannot recognize the Hippocratic behavior for what it is - a control mechanism for the 99% and green light for the other rule-making 1% I pity you. I find it ironic that the 99% isn't smart enough to simply empty their bank accounts and convert their $$ into another currency, asset, etc., then dig in their heels. Pre-1971, when the government made stupid financial decisions, people would simply exchange their fiat for gold and wait for those at the top to come to their senses... of course post 1971 fixed that regulatory problem for the 1% and shifted power to the rule-makers - and we let it happen. I'm not saying buy gold, or anything else... simply recognize they didn't build those casinos with their own hard earned money... they built "vegas" with other people's money - if 99% simply stopped gambling vegas would have no choice but to change it's ways.