Guest Post: In Case You Really Have To Flee The Authorities…

Submitted by Simon Black from Sovereign Man

Guest Post: In Case You Really Have To Flee The Authorities…

When most people think of Brazil, it’s the incredible beaches that come to mind. Or the crazy parties of Carnival. Or the spectacular vistas and great weather. Or how indescribably gorgeous (and welcoming) the locals are.

But here’s a little known fact, and it’s something that sets Brazil apart from most other places: Brazil’s constitution prohibits the extradition of Brazilian citizens to other countries. This is a rare gem in the world… I’ll explain.

Believe it or not, most countries are happy to sell their citizens down the river to another government. If you have been charged with a crime in another country, or are even simply ‘wanted for questioning’, your home government in all likelihood will comply with the request to round you up and ship you off.

For example, only 7% of all extradition requests that the US government made to the British government between 1 January 2004 and 31 July 2009 were denied. The US government denied ZERO extradition requests from the British government over the same period.

You may also be familiar the ongoing case of Wikileaks’ founder Julian Assange, who is wanted in Sweden for “questioning” related to bizarre sex case.

The British government approved Sweden’s extradition request, though Assange has appealed the decision numerous times. He’s lost every appeal so far, and in all likelihood he’ll be on a plane bound for Sweden in the near future.

Assange is an Australian citizen, and his government has completely abandoned him.

You may also remember the more recent case of Kim Dotcom, the German founder of MegaUpload.com who was arrested in New Zealand as part of a US operation to shut down his file-sharing site. Like Assange, the German government has been silent.

This is ironic because most people are brought up to believe that their governments will protect them… that if you get into a jam overseas, they’ll send the military to rescue you.

The reality is that, far more often, governments trade their own citizens away in order to score diplomatic brownie points, even when there’s not even a crime involved.

The US-Mexico extradition treaty, for example, lists a number of extraditable offenses, such as:

- Violations of the customs laws
- Offenses against copyright or intellectual property
- Offenses related to international trade and transfers of funds or valuable metals
- Offenses relating to prohibition “unfair transactions”

We’re not exactly talking about violent criminals here; these rules so opaque that just about everyone on the planet is in violation of some offense.

That’s why Brazil’s Constitutional guarantee is so refreshing. Brazil has a long history of rejecting extradition requests for citizens… and if Assange and Dotcom had thought that far ahead, they’d be sitting on the beach in Rio right now instead of wearing electronic ankle bracelets under house arrest.

Needless to say, this requires obtaining Brazilian citizenship… which, if you’re in a hurry, you can qualify for in just 12-months. More on that in a future letter, I’ve got a plane to catch!

Comments

[in4mayshun]

ZH feeling very cataclysmic today...TEOTWAWKI, fleeing the Authorities...Jeez!

Gonna go listen to Glen Beck for some upbeat news.

[Clueless Economist]

Brazil?..Good choice fiat $'s go very far in the slums of Rio.

Set up a little drug dealing business in the slums and live like a king!

[Pladizow]

Obrigado Bitchez!

[Joe Sixpack]

acai bitchez!

[Mountainview]

You remember the British post train robbers? The knew this half a century ago!

[neidermeyer]

Ronald Biggs ... The pistols wrote about him ... "No One is Innocent"

[Moe Howard]

Martin Bormann on Bass.

[Half_A_Billion_...]

NSFW warning.  I bet one of these Brazilian ladies will marry you for your ki$$es.  http://www.041vip.com.br/index2.htm

[Buck Johnson]

I know, Phil collins played Buster Edwards in the movie Buster.  Bravil is a good place, I would love to visit the place to see it.

[q99x2]

Oregano bitchez

[cowdiddly]

don't guess you have been to Miami lately.

[Manthong]

Well, if you get all that stuff the hedgeless horsedude suggests, you’ll be good to go a few thousand miles up the Amazon River.. not a government care in the world up there.

[HungrySeagull]

Just have enough boat between your ass and the fish.

[DosZap]

Needless to say, this requires obtaining Brazilian citizenship… which, if you’re in a hurry, you can qualify for in just 12-months. More on that in a future letter, I’ve got a plane to catch!.

Thanks for leaving out the most IMPORTANT PART SIMON.

[nmewn]

Or, as I've been saying, have alternate ID's set up in advance.

Life/government gives you lemons/ID...make lemonade ;-)

[Gideon Gono]

Exactly.  Want to get it 12 months?  Marry a brazilian and learn to read and write Portugese.  Otherwise it take longer.

[Milestones]

Wrong. Even if married it requires you to LIVE in BraSil, (not z their currency and people use S) for 2 years for citizenship.       Milestones

[RafterManFMJ]

For an excellent Brazilian film, watch Elite Squad directed by José Padilha. Might change your mind about running any drugs...

[Poetic injustice]

If you get that far as border... good time to rewatch "Enemy of the state", only skipping happy ending.

[NotApplicable]

It's so quaint to see Simon go on about getting out of the clutches of the authorities by relying on the clutches of other authorities, in the form of a "damned piece of paper."

Laughable.

[Pladizow]

And your proposal?

[NotApplicable]

Stop proselytizing one form of enslavement as freedom from another. Frankly, it's embarrassing to observe this disconnected level of incoherence from an otherwise seemingly intelligent person.

[trembo slice]

Not that I disagree with your sentiment... but what choice do you have?  Are you just going to go out guns blazing?  Ultimately, it's governments' monopoly on force that has allowed this sad state of affairs to arise in the first place.  No monopoly on force -- no federal reserve monopoly via legal tender laws.  The great obstacle the state presents is its "legal" monopoly on the initiation of force.

If you can move somewhere the state plays a less dominating role in society why not?

[NotApplicable]

To ask that question answer is to answer it, as it's wholly dependent upon the idea of "if." In other words, it's just more Hopium to placate the upper levels of the masses. To answer it directly though.

First, IMO, my existence upon this planet is legitimate, "theirs" is not, as it's merely an abstraction (a club, for instance) which elevates some individuals over others. This occurs only due to force of violence that has succeeded long enough to be seen as an immovable institution.

Most importantly though, I believe Simon's ideas play right into the hands of the destroyers by further disintegrating community. It is my belief that only strong communities can hold government forces in check. If everyone is merely a tourist, you become subject to their every whim. and the safety you believed you moved to obtain today becomes tomorrow's distant memory.

At one time, I seriously considered adopting the "Five Flag" lifestyle, in an effort to "save my family." What I realized though, was that the costs simply were not worth it, as it completely undermines a family by uprooting them from community, extended family, and their culture. While some might not mind these trade-offs, I find them to be wholly dehumanizing.

So, instead I choose to dig-in, blend-in, and whatever else it takes to make the best of what there is where I already am.

[blunderdog]

Yep, that's my take too.  There's no place to run.  Live your life as you see fit, and be prepared to be chewed up by the machine. 

You can't "escape" anything.  You CAN nut-up and fight for your beliefs.

[NotApplicable]

And by fight, I chose to do it in the arena of ideas. They are the criminals, not me. Armed with the wisdom of Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, et al., they don't stand a chance. Which of course, is why they rely on their fear-mongering criminal nature to avoid intellectual battles, instead choosing idiot tools such as Krugman to ridicule them in a seemingly intelligent fashion.

Tu Ne Cede Malis, Bitchez!

[Money 4 Nothing]

Revolution, I held out as long as I could to see if Americans will stand up. outta time folks. Would have been quite a spectical.

[Deep79]

Man this guys articles are getting worse and worse

If you are a law abiding citizen, why would you have to flee, 

Shame on you Simon

[LawsofPhysics]

True.  Then again, if the owners of the Federal Reserve haven't done anything wrong or treasonous then why won't they let a complete audit be performed?   I am fine with no regulations so long as companies and institutions are completely transparent.  I didn't junk you, but it would appear simon has some fans, weak.

[Robot Traders Mom]

You left out that law-breaking citizens will soon be those owning hard assets...

[Pladizow]

To: Deep69

Who defines what the law is?

What if gold ownership becomes illegal AGAIN or blogging or posting on ZH?

[CIABS]

Deep69:  You sleazy troll.

[Deep79]

LOL LOL LOL

Sleazy troll

ok buddy

[Al Huxley]

That's why I'm a big fan of the new TSA checkpoints, phone-tapping by the government, and the general new 'show-us-your-papers' society we live in today.  Because hey, if you object to the government spying on you, what are you hiding?  /sarc

[LawsofPhysics]

Hhmm.  Will there be a special waiver for the political class?  I know that my senator owns very large tracks of land as well as several buildings, businesses and properties.  I don't think this one would come to pass without blood on the capital steps.

[FeralSerf]

Prosecutorial discretion.  As long as you suck the right dicks, you shouldn't have any problem.

[I Am Not a Copp...]

Laws change, and you've probably already broken some you don't even know about.  The Jews in Nazi Germany were law abiding citizens, until they were not.

[jayman21]

You beat me to it.

Information being collected on your lawful activities today may not be considered lawful tomorrow.  When things get desperate the letter of the law is the first thing to go.  Just ask the Romans.  Why junk Simon when he is offering information that maybe helpful tomorrow.  Not because I did something wrong, but because people in Washington are doing something wrong.

Read about Nazi Germany.  Lots of good eggs went bad in the 1930s.  If you do not think that can happen in the USA, look up Martin Armstong's case.  You will see the use of this information if you are a lawful citizen both in spirit and to the letter.

[AustriAnnie]

In Nazi Germany you were breaking the law if your neighbor decided to turn you in.  

No proof of crime required.

Every time I hear someone say "If the authorities detain someone, then they MUST be criminals" I want to slap them in the face.

When the people who benefit from your detention make the decision whether or not you broke the law, its pretty obvious what will happen.  Especially since all Constitutional rights to be treated as "innocent until proven guilty" have been thrown out the window.  You are a lawbreaker if someone in a uniform with a badge SAYS you are a lawbreaker.

[Husk-Erzulie]

(In Nazi Germany)   Under NATO occupation you (were) are breaking the law if your neighbor decides to turn you in.

Fixed ya :-)

*edit (funny... strike through no workin)

[FeralSerf]

Read Susan Lindauer's "Extreme Prejudice".   She gives a very detailed and frightening personal experience description of what it's like to be prosecuted under the Patriot Act.  The defendent doesn't get to know what the charges are, who the witnesses are or what the evidence is.  It's "classified".

[Milestones]

Except that many Jews used their influence to undermine the German economy by preaching boycotting German products during the 30's. Might have pissed off a few german folks.              Milestones 

[TWSceptic]

"If you are a law abiding citizen, why would you have to flee"

Don't make me use the godwin argument.

[jayman21]

Why would you want to leave out Nazi Germany in this discussion.  It is an important part.  I think Rome is even more important part of history, as Germany was not the reserve currency in WWII.  When Rome fell, it was like the USA today.  Lots of good comparisions.

I hope this is not the Rome moment, but rather what Churchhill said about the USA in WWII.

“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.”

Let's hope we are just going through everthing else!!!

[margaris]

Doug Wead (when interviewed by Judge Napolitano) explained it very good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHxa_09fosQ

"Just because you are innocent doesn't mean you can't end up in a gulag somewhere..."

[tmosley]

Yes, why should a law abiding German Jew want to flee Germany?  We even gave those guys free camps, for kids AND adults!

[TWSceptic]

;)

[Money 4 Nothing]

Because of this jack ass.

Thirty Little Known Facts About America, IRS, IMF, Executive Orders…

Tuesday, January 18th, 2011 | Posted by Dr. Leonard Coldwell

Dr Coldwell, 30 Unknown facts about America, Treasury, IRS

By Stephen Lendman
1-16-11
1. The IRS is NOT a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. Diversified Metal Products v IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.I. Public Law 94-564 Senate Report 94-1148, pg 5967 Reor ganization Plan #26 Public Law 102-391

2. The IMF is an Agency of the U.N. Black’s Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg 816

3. The United States has NOT had a Treasury since 1921. 41 Stat. Ch. 214 page 654

4. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. Presi dential Documents Volume 29 No. 4 page 113 22 U.S.C. 285-288

5. The U.S. does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After 200 years of bankruptcy it is finally over. Executive Order 12803

6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NSA and all of the other Alphabet Gangs were never part of the U.S. Government, even though the ‘U.S. Government held stock in said ‘Agencies. &n bsp; U.S. v. Strang, 254 U.S. 491 Lewis v. U.S., 680 F.2d, 1239

7. Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF.

The application for an SSN is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5, not the ‘Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who publishes them while the old form states they are Department of Treasury. 20 CFR Chap. 111 Subpart B 422.103 (b)

8. There are NO Judicial Courts in America and have not been

since 1789.

‘Judges do NOT enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. FRC v. GE, 281 U.S. 464 Keller v. Potomac Elec. Co., 261 U.S. 428 1 Stat. 138-178

9. There have NOT been any ‘Ju dges in America since 1789. There have only been Administrators. FRC v. GE, 281 U.S. 464 Keller v. Potomac Elec. Co., 261 U.S. 428 1 Stat. 138-178

10. According to GATT you MUST have a Social Security Number. House Report 103-826

11. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Ru dolph Guiliani stated on C-Span that ‘New York City is the Capital of the World. For once, he told the truth. 20 CFR Chap. 111 subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

12. Social Security is NOT insurance or a contract. Nor is there a ‘Trust Fund. Helvering v. Davis, 301 U.S. 619 Steward Co. v. Davis, 301 U.S. 548

13. Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF which is an Agency of the United Nations. Examine one: top-left should be written ‘United States Treasury see 2-4 above.

14. You own NO property. Slaves can’t own property. Read carefully the Deed to the property you think is yours. You are listed as a TENANT. Often times the Mortgage Holder or the State is listed as Seised in demesne as of fee. Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session

Seised in demesne as of fee. This is the strict technical expression used to describe the ownership in ‘an estate in fee-simple in possession in a corporeal hereditament. The word ‘seised is used to express the ‘seisin or owner’s possession of a freehold property; the phrase ‘in demesne, or ‘in his demesne, (in dominico suo) signifies that he’s seised as owner of the land itself, and not merely of the seigniory services; and the concluding words, ‘as of fee, import that he is seised of an estate of inheritance in fee-simple. Where the subject is incorporeal, or the estate expectant on a precedent freehold, the words ‘in his demesne are omitted. (Co. Litt. 17a; Fleta, 1.5, c. 5, 18; Bract. 1.4, tr. 5, c. 2, 2) Brown. “Black’s Law Dictionary

Fourth Edition, page 1523.

15. The most powerful court in America is NOT the United States Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. 42 Pa. C.S.A. 502

16. The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary War. Treaty of Versailles July 16, 1782 Treaty of Peace 8 Stat. 80

17. You CANNOT use the U.S. Constitution to defend yourself because you are NOT a party to it. Padelford Fay & Co. v. The Mayor & Alderman of the City of Savannah, 14 Georgia 438, 520

18. America is a British Colony. The ‘United States is a corporation, not a land mass and it existed before the Revolutionary War and the British Troops did not leave until 1796. &n bsp; Respublica v. Sweers, 1 Dallas 43 Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116 Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80 IRS Publication 6209 Articles of Association October 20, 1774

19. Britain is owned by the Vatican. Treaty of 1213

20. The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol. 1, 53-54

21. A 1040 Form is for Tribute paid to Britain. IRS Publication 6209

22. The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of Conquest and Discovery. (Ever wonder why an Attorney, who is an Agent of the Pope through the International Bar Association, wants to do ‘discovery with you?) Pap al Bulls of 1495 & 1493

23. The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of Millions of people. Papal Bulls of 1455 & 1493

24. The Pope’s ‘Laws are obligatory on everyone. Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix, c. vii., n.4. Prati, 1844 Syllabus prop 28, 29, 44

&nb sp; 25. We are SLAVES and own ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Not even what we think are ‘our children. Tillman v. Roberts, 108 So. 62 Van Koten v. Van Koten, 154 N.E. 146 Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session Wynehammer v. People, 13 N.Y. Rep 378, 481

26. Military Dictator George Washington divided up the States (Estates) into Districts. Messages and Papers of the Presidents, Volume 1 page 99 1828 Dictionary definition of ‘Estate

27. ‘We, The People does NOT include the General Populace, or what you THINK is ‘We, The People. Barron v. Mayor and City Council of Baltimore, 32 U.S. 243

28. It is NOT the ‘duty of the police to protec t you. Their job is to protect THE CORPORATION and arrest Code Breakers. Sapp v. Tallahassee, 348 So.2nd. 363 Reiff v. City of Philla., 477 F.Supp. 1262 Lynch v. NC Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E.2nd. 247

29. Everything in the ‘United States is up For Sale: Bridges, Roads, Water, Schools, Hospitals, Prisons, Airports, etc. Did anybody take time to check who bought Klamath Lake? &nb sp; Executive Order 12803

30. ‘WE are HUMAN CAPITAL. Executive Order 13037

The U.N. has financed the operations of the ‘United States Government for over 50 years and now ‘owns every man, woman, and child in America. The U.N. also holds all of the land of America in Fee Simple.

Why is the above so difficult for most people to understand? Simple: words like ‘perso n, ‘citizen, ‘people, ‘or, ‘nation, ‘is, ‘fact, ‘authority, ‘truth, ‘nation, ‘crime, ‘fraud, ‘charge, ‘right, ‘statute, ‘preferred, ‘assume, ‘prefer, ‘constitutor, ‘creditor, ‘debtor, ‘debit, ‘discharge, ‘payment, ‘law, ‘United States, and hundreds of others do NOT mean what you think they mean and you were never taught the ‘Legal Definitions so you would ‘Understand that you DON’T understand.

Don’t let this information alarm you because without it you cannot be free.

You have to understand that all slavery and freedom originates in the mind.

When your mind allows you to accept and understand that the United States, Great Brittan and the Vatican are Corporations which are nothing but fictional entities which have been placed in your mind, you will understand our slavery is because we believe in fictions. Stephen Ammes, author The Ultimate Delusion

The Illusion is MUCH larger than the irrefutable 30 points above, and the 30 points above are not even the tip of the tip of the iceberg. For more information, see:

www.atgpress.com
www.TheAmericanVoice.com

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=IRS+is+a+Fraud

www.ZeitgeistMovie.com
www.FreedomToFascism.com
http://www.myspace. com/KC7AQK

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=911+Truth+Movement

[Pladizow]

So file a UCC-1 statement and begin your redemption process!

[Money 4 Nothing]

I'm a dual citizen. I wasn't born here. 

[Pladizow]

Here is where?

[Money 4 Nothing]

Madison Square.. Flatiron District. I have family that work on the NYSE and there leaving shortly after me. Hint.

[SheepDog-One]

Change 'US citizen' to 'American National' on your passport.

[Shibumi2]

How does one do that?

[NoTTD]

31. IMF is main supplier of tinfoil hats in my closet.

[Reptil]

Because of crap like that we had a lot of wars here in Europe.

...

Good luck wth the re-education of the "citizens".

FWIW I'm not going to google search or look at Zeitgeist. ;-)

[Gringo Viejo]

Deep: You were born 80 years too late. Template of a Good German.

[robobbob]

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. orwell

are you kidding? the latest gestapo law being pushed is passport suspension on SUSPICION of tax irregularities.

in the future, EVERYONE will be guilty of something.

Army Field Manual 3-39-40 covers domestic military operations and has a section on "political prisoners" for a reason.

[OpenThePodBayDoorHAL]

There is no such thing as a "law-abiding citizen" any more. If the president decides you are an "enemy combatant" he can kill you. That determination can be based on anything at all, including posting to the wrong websites or contributing to the wrong charity. If the cops pull you over and there's no crime, they can now arrest you simply for "resisting". Then they can strip search you and hold you without charges.  The IRS can decide you've broken some law, and since they are the Treasury branch there is no "presumption of innocence", they can say you're guilty and the burden is on you to prove your innocence (this is a leftover from King George that almost no one knows about). And now if there is any dispute about your taxes the government can hold you at the border and refuse to let you leave the country (that is just based on allegations of tax nonpayment, not a proven case).

I'm laughing though becauee I have a Brazilian passport...ha ha. Still worried though. I just found out if I am in the US more than 183 days in a three-year period I supposedly owe US income taxes! What a laugh. Good luck collecting.

Nyah nyah from Australia. Glad to be out.

[EvlTheCat]

I dislike Simon Black but now your ignorance has given me someone to like even less.  So I guess if you are mentally incompetent they can murder you?  Wake up citizen!  Your white bred world is crashing in on you!

http://www.infowars.com/police-torture-man-to-death-for-fun/

[TMT]

If you are a law abiding citizen.  That's a big if.  There are over 5,000 FEDERAL crimes.  Add to that the number of state, city, and local crimes and the total number is mind numbing.

That's the point - virtually no one is not in violation of at least one law.

[matrix2012]

"Man this guys articles are getting worse and worse

If you are a law abiding citizen, why would you have to flee, 

Shame on you Simon"

One of DUMBEST comment I ever read in ZH!

Not ALL the laws are sacrosanct! In fact many more laws are skewed than not. And USSA has "very good laws". 

[GeneMarchbanks]

Simon, man, don't flatter yourself you're not that important.

[bdc63]

12 months?! ... dude - I hope you started working on it last halloween ...

[AlaricBalth]

All I need is a Brazilian wife and then I can gain citizenship in a year.

Perhaps with these two... 

http://thechive.com/2009/04/12/brazilian-girls-in-bikinis-because-nothing-is-hotter-20-photos/#wpcom-carousel-29853

they will cut it down to six months for me.

[toxic8]

I for one found this information useful and have made a mental note of it. 

Thanks Simon.

[Mad Max]

Most European prisons are nicer than living in most of Brazil.

Simon identifies some genuine issues but offers dubious (at best) solutions, all the while selling something.

[SheepDog-One]

12 months? May not even be near enough time. 

[vegas]

Simon, You want me to live in Brazil, Chile, or Mongolia? Make up your frickin' mind will ya? Oh, and how am I supposed to farm that property in Paraguay when I'm in Rio? Or get my gold in from the vault in Cyprus? Do you get rebates from the airlines?

http://vegasxau.blogspot.com

[el Gallinazo]

"Oh, and how am I supposed to farm that property in Paraguay".............

Share crop for Jenna Bush?  They bought 100,000 hectares of primo agricultural land on top of the biggest aquifer on the continent.  Maybe they will lease you a plot and let you raise a few chickens in the front yard.

[vegas]

Sorry Jenna, our cover has been blown.

http://vegasxau.blogspot.com

[sethstorm]

Nothing prevents the US government from accidenting them and spoiling that land.  Jurisdiction is not an issue for the military, especially when there are people that wish to think that leaving the US will put them out of reach.

[Money 4 Nothing]

My family are Brazillian in 2 weeks. Have planned this for 8 months. House is sold, gun's all sold, all property liquidated, fukin killed me to do it, but it will be better than staying here.

I found a job there paying my comprable salary working for G.M. roughly the same inflation but nicer surroundings.

Ciao Amerika!

[Clueless Economist]

Don't let the proverbial door hit you you know where...oh and be sure and write from your South American hellhole jailcell when some Chavez-Like dictator takes power and rounds up you Ex-Pat American idiots. 

[Money 4 Nothing]

No problem, it's better than what's comming down the pike shortly here.

Were not fleeing authorities, were fleeing an Authoritative Fascist state.

Enjoy Amerika!

[sethstorm]

The problem is that wherever you can go, so can the US. 

[Money 4 Nothing]

Just without the False Flags in Rio.

[Pladizow]

Or stay in America and enjoy the lush accomadations of a FEMA camp - coming soon to a town near you!

[Gringo Viejo]

I got top bunk and if you have to beat the bishop, take it into the head.

[OpenThePodBayDoorHAL]

Name says it all, clueless. Americans think their country is the safest and free-est. Used to be true but SO not true any more. The entire German police force fired a total of 85 bullets last year. Australia has 1/4 the murder rate of the US and 1/6th the incarceration rate.

[Charles Bishop ...]

God--you REALLY ARE clueless.

There ARE NO MORE DICTATORS IN SA.

 just hot bitches and PM'S.

[manhunter]

Good luck, amigo. Brazil is a dangerous place, the cops are corrupt and lazy, and they don't like gringos. The criminals have guns but if you get caught with one you will get a stiff prison sentence (no 2nd amendment).

[Money 4 Nothing]

Your assuming I'm white. and not dangerous.

[manhunter]

Graveyards are full of dangerous people.

[Money 4 Nothing]

And some whistle passed it.. Depends on how dangerous you are.

[Goldilocks]

Oingo Boingo Dead Man's Party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iypUpv9xelg (3:55)

Oingo Boingo - It's a Dead Man's Party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UbGtjnluyY (4:17)

[DollarMenu]

The graveyards are eventually full of everyone.

Living causes death.

[matrix2012]

“Heaven and earth are impartial. They allow all things to die.” — Tao

[Joe Sixpack]

If you own a county house in Brazil, you can get a gun. Turns out many Brazilians own country houses.

[Vince Clortho]

Watch out for the Gorillas in the jungle.

[Jake88]

May be guerillas.  Wrong continent for gorillas.

[Negro Primero]

Ronnie Biggs, Brazil, no extradition...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Biggs

[Mercury]

In Obama's second term look for a trend of rich guys proposing to their cleaning ladies...

[manhunter]

Or you could move to Waziristan, I hear they don't have much law enforcement. Of course if the US really wants you, they will get you; ask Osama.

Sorry Simon, you can run but you can't hide. Keister stash your gold coins and run for the border, Simon. Your angry investors are gaining on you!

[hannah]

funny how everyone thinks that south america is safe.....?! how many of these countries had revolutions from 1900 to 1970...?

unless i run into gilda, i dont think i am going to south america.

[Negro Primero]

   Revolutions or US Military Interventions? That IS funny.

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

[Charles Bishop ...]

The operative word is HAD.

Again, update your browser.

the world has CHANGED.

[manhunter]

Simons theme song; All she wants to do is dance.

They're pickin' up the prisoners and puttin' 'em in a pen
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
Rebels been rebels since I don't know when
And all she wants to do is dance
Molotov cocktail- the local drink
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
Crazy people walkin' round with blood in their eyes
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
Wild-eyed pistol wavers who ain't afraid to die
And all she wants to do is-
All she wants to do is dance and make romance
She can't feel the heat comin' off the street
She wants to party
She wants to get down
All she wants to do is-
All she wants to do is dance

Well, the government bugged the men's room in the local disco lounge
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
To keep the boys from sellin' all the weapons they could scrounge
And all she wants to do is dance
But that don't keep the boys from makin' a buck or two
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
They still can sell the army all the drugs that they can do
And all she wants to do is-
All she wants to do is dance and make romance

Well we barely made the airport for the last plane out
As we taxied down the runway I could hear the people shout
They said "Don't come back here Yankee"
But if I ever do-
I'll bring more money
'Cause all she wants to do is dance and make romance
Never mind the heat comin' off the street
She wants to party
She wants to get down
All she wants to do is-
All she wants to do is dance
All she wants to do is dance and make romance
All she wants to do is danc

[CrashisOptimistic]

Bullish on Brazil in the post peak world.

Three crops per year in their growing areas, which btw are the number 1 producer of oranges in the world and a close 2nd in soybeans.  

They have offshore oil and onshore refineries.

Did you miss what I said above.  How about again:

THREE CROPS PER YEAR.  No winter.

They make regional jets flown by US airlines.  Technologically leading edge.

Huge production of pork and chicken.

Unlike more or less everywhere else, the future is bright in Brazil.

[Charles Bishop ...]

 ...And they GROW their own FUEL as WELL.

If i lived in Brazil, I'd be LAUGHIN' right now. And well into the forseeable future.

[Sudden Debt]

Offenses related to international trade and transfers of funds or valuable metals.....

So if I buy silver in America... Don't pay taxes on it like I should here in Europe... That would be concidered a bad thing?

Brasil... There are worse place to go to...

[Prometheus418]

That raises an interesting question- 

If coins are considered commodities, and subject to sales tax at the point of purchase, does that make them technically exempt from capital gains taxes?  After all, if I buy something like an industrial refrigerator and all of a sudden the price of freon spikes, or there is a raw material shortage, there's no capital gains to report on that appliance if I resell it for more than I paid.  Actually, I could probably write off off the depreciation every year prior to selling for a profit.

It might be an interesting avenue to pursue regarding silver, should things come to that.  If you are holding physical metal, it's a valid claim that the stockpile depreciates due to accumulated tarnish and discoloration, at least on paper.

Of course, the best thing is always just to pay cash and stay off the radar as much as possible.

[FlyingDutchman]

France doesn't extradite its own citizens either.

[Treason Season]

From Wikipedia:

The United States maintains diplomatic relations, but does not have extradition treaties with the following countries: 

Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China, Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Croatia, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Slovenia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican, Vietnam, and Yemen,.[citation needed] [boldface mine]

[Negro Primero]

better see also: "Abduction"

[NotApplicable]

No, no, that's criminal. The word you're looking for is "Rendtition."

[mkhs]

Treaty, we don't need no stinking treaty.

[Negro Primero]

Thanks, but you better add an adjective: "Extraordinary"

[Money 4 Nothing]

Enjoy the USSA.

May 9, 2012
The Congressional Progressive Caucus has announced it will introduce legislation designed to strip Americans of the right to defend themselves. Called “Stop Shoot First Laws,” the amendment to the Commerce, Justice, Science Appropriations bill under consideration in the House would deny states federal funding allocated under section 505 of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 if they continue to allow citizens to defend themselves.

Democrats Raul Grijalva asnd Keith Ellison.
“Shoot first laws have already cost too many lives,” said Progressive Caucus co-chairs Keith Ellison and Raul Grijalva upon introducing their amendment. “In Florida alone, deaths due to self-defense have tripled since the law was enacted. Federal money shouldn’t be spent supporting states with laws that endanger their own people. This is no different than withholding transportation funds from states that don’t enforce seatbelt laws.”

“The message here is if you have this kind of law that your federal funding is going to take a hit because they make states less safe,” Adam Sarvana, communications director for Grijalva, told Politico.
In other words, the Democrats will force states to choose between putting their citizens at the mercy of violent criminals or taking federal largess.
Because the House does not have an open amendment process, the amendment will likely not see a vote on the floor. Ellison and Grijalva introduced the amendment in and effort to further politicize the Trayvon Martin case and increase pressure on the Second Amendment.
Democrats are using “Shoot First” instead of “Stand Your Ground” in an effort to portray self defense as homicide.
“Stand Your Ground” is a legal extension of the Castle doctrine stating that a person has a right to defend himself against an intruder. “Stand Your Ground” laws state that one can use deadly force in any location one is legally allowed to be and removes the requirement that the threat must occur on one’s own property.
The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the largest caucus within the Democratic caucus in Congress. It is supported by the Institute for Policy Studies, MoveOn.org, the NAACP, National Council of La Raza, Hip Hop Caucus, and other liberal and so-called “progressive” organizations.

[blunderdog]

This is the kinda thing that happens when you let a guy harass and kill some other guy and then walk away from it.

There's backlash based in anger that ends up suggesting "solutions" which are far beyond any reasonable response.

Not much to do about it, though, and honestly, I don't think there's any need to WORRY about it either.  Laws are a joke--enforcement is what matters.

What's enforced these days?

[hannah]

 correction...this is what happens when one minority shots another minority and the media blames it on a white racist. damn white people ....

[blunderdog]

Are you saying Zimmerman isn't white?

[krispkritter]

Fuck yeah, he's a 'white' hispanic. Just like Obama is a 'white' black, er, African American...

[HellFish]

There are none so blind as those who won't see - or something like that.

Have you seen his picture?

[blunderdog]

Photographic evidence isn't always a good determining factor.

How about John Boehner? http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/btb/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/090225_P...

Angelo Mozilo?  http://www.blogcdn.com/noticias.aollatino.com/media/2011/02/gyi005760195...

Eva Longoria CAN'T be white, right? http://www.vt-tech.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/1309359610-85.jpg

Seth Rogen wouldn't pass a pencil-test: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Seth_Rogen_TIFF...

I don't see any use for the word "white" anymore--it no longer describes a meaningful concept.  Ever since we've moved away from slaving, it isn't anything--all it used to mean was "illegal to own as a slave." 

Even the apartheid South Africans didn't have a clear definition for "black."  They had to perform tests.  Heh.

I'll tell you one thing, there are MANY Hispanic Americans who consider themselves white and would gladly defend the assertion if you take it up with them personally.  Maybe someday you'll meet one.

[HellFish]

dupe

[Skip]

The people of Brazil voted DOWN a Referendum that Lula and all the TV and so on all the churches supported to BAN guns in Brazil, It lost by 2/3 of the vote, from the favelas to the south of Rio Grande do Sul.

America is soon becoming predominately 3rd World demographically and they LIKE disarmed victims.

http://gunbanobama.com/

[Prometheus418]

That's odd- I've had a concealed carry permit for a while, and I haven't shot a single person.

You'd think that based on this "research" I'd be unable to stop myself from shooting up the town, but the legal change that allowed me to have it and use a weapon under castle doctrine has somehow failed to transform me into a homicidal maniac. 

In the last twenty years, I can think of only two occassions where a firearm came in useful for self defense, and neither case required pulling the trigger.  In each case, the presence of the weapon was enough to diffuse an otherwise potentially deadly situation- people get polite quickly when they hear a 12ga pump cycle.  In both of the cases, it was not even necessary to point the barrel at the aggressor, and slowed things down enough to talk the situation through.  Having a firearm when the person attacking you has a knife or bludgeon allows you to set the agenda for the encounter- and in my case, that means quiet time where they get to learn why they need to calm down and go away.

The dumb thing about this propiganda is that the people spewing it don't seem to understand crime- while there is such a thing as random violence, it's pretty rare.  99% of the time, a violent situation is the result of a falling out with an unstable friend or relative, and most folks are inclined to try to talk it through if they can, even if it has to be with gun in hand.  Also allows you, in many cases, to avoid police involvement- which makes it possible to reconcile rather than escalate.  People do dumb shit, and will usually give up and apologize for it later if they are given the opportunity- but locking them in a cage just makes them angrier.

[blunderdog]

If you want to, apparently joining the neighborhood watch and following around some scary-looking black guy might offer you the opportunity.

[pazmaker]

Ecuador recently amended their constitution that prohibits the extradition of it's citizens....you can add Ecuador to that list with Brazil.

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/news/articleFull.cfm?id=326&db=NewDB This guy fled Massachusetts for Ecuador after committing a double murder in Brocton, MA    Now he will get 16 yrs max by going back to his homeland.  

[reTARD]

Run from one state to another state? Wouldn't one still be at the mercy of a state which could at any moment change its laws to its own benefit? Why not just become a stateless pirate instead?

[Stuck on Zero]

Simon.  Please give me hope.  Write an article with the following title:

In Case the Authorities Have to Flee the People ...

[Prometheus418]

In that case, I believe the preferred state is Argentina- at least, it seemed to work out pretty well for a number of Nazis.

[robertocarlos]

If the crime you committed was serious enough I think the USA could find you and kill you easily.  Make sure you don't steal any money, that really makes them angry.

[Jake88]

That's right. It is now legal for Obama to just have you wacked. Don't even need boots on the ground.  Just send in a killer drone. 

[jayman21]

Do not locate next to oil either.  Could be dangerous.

[entropos]

The hottest transexuals in the world come from Brazil too. 

I see no reason to delay my departure.  

[gavroche76]

When i think about Brazil, i mostly think about favela's and 9 years old kids with guns, selling drugs to other kids.

[Money 4 Nothing]

Weird? I think of big ass tanned titties sunbathing, your travel agent is sending you to the wrong district.

[pissing_excellence]

return I will to old brazil.

[Jake88]

There will be whole communities of banksters living in Brazil.

[Darkness]

GET ME DUAL CITIZENSHIP

[EvryInternational]

I'm always amazed at how many people have so little an idea about some other place.  Having lived and worked in Brazil as a white American by birth, I can safely say that the fear that being propagated here is completely based in ignorance.

I'm also amazed that people that are so concerned with where things are going do not even consider what alternatives exist for them in case of a worst-case scenario, nor do they understand the basic 5 flags concept.  I suppose it's easier to wrap oneself in the American flag and continue to spout the propaganda about "freedom" and "freest place in the world" while ignoring what's going on around them.

These are the same people that are probably fighting the tape...ignorance is bliss.

[Milestones]

BraSil. You lived and worked there??        Milestones

[Skip]

Brazil even extradited the Train Robber from England. That is a myth that they don't extradite. Also I think Brazilian women, for looks, are way over-rated, even Israeli broads are better looking.

[Oldrepublic]

Biggs actually got tired of living in Brazil wanted to walk into any pub in

England as a freeman. He went back to the UK, was arrested and finally got out due to old age!

[Mongrel]

I think I'll just stay home and get ready for a fight. Check this out:

http://dixienet.org/rights/our_survival_as_a_people.php

[jmcaule4]

KWN: Stocks to Crater 27%, Bonds to Rally & Gold to Remain Firm KWN: Greyerz - Investors Need To Be Positioned For More Chaos Zero Hedge: Faber Sees A 1987-Like Crash if U.S. stocks rise without QE3 The Big Picture: Regressing To The Trend Line

[PORTUGALIA]

Zero hedge YOU ARE WRONG... just read:

1º Brazil is average 5 times more expensive compared with Usa on every single product and service you can possible imagine.

2º waiting 24 months to obtain brasilian nationality is a previlege FOR CITIZENS FROM PORTUGAL ONLY and after they legally live in Brazil for one consecutive year (total time 2 years) ... citizens from other nationalities must live legally in Brazil for at least 4 consecutive years + A LOT OF DEMANDS FROM BRASILIAN GOVERMENT + Waiting 12 months for paperwork processing ... (total time 5 YEARS)

3º IF you have commited a crime outside brazil BEFORE your brasilian nationality and they find it, they will procecute you, remove your brasilian nationality and sent you home.

[MyGold]

1 - True, 2 - True & 3 - True

[MyGold]

hummm...it feels good to be Brazilian :)

[laomei]

Foreigners may apply for Brazilian citizenship if they meet the following criteria:

• permanent residence in Brazil
• 4 (four) years of uninterrupted residence in Brazil^[1]
• ability to speak and write Portuguese
• sufficient personal or family resources to support themselves

The residence requirement may be reduced in certain circumstances:

• only one year's residence is required for those who have a Brazilian spouse, parent, or child
• for nationals of Portuguese-speaking countries, one year's residence is required
• those with "professional, scientific, or artistic ability" may apply after two years
• persons of higher net worth may apply for Brazilian citizenship after 3 years
• relevant services to the country

[ElZorillo]

Forget 12 months for citizenship.. If you're real quick of the mark you can cut that down to 9 months by getting a local pregnant ;)

[Zero Govt]

"Assange is an Australian citizen, and his government has completely abandoned him."

except for tax purposes of course