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Guest Post: Charles Krauthammer Mourns Over NASA Cuts, I Celebrate

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Submitted by James E Miller of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute of Canada,

Leading neoconservative (read “closet Trotskyite“) commentator Charles Krauthammer’s latest Washington Post editorial pays homage to the glory days of NASA and the retirement of the space shuttle Discovery.  Titled “Farewell, the New Frontier,” the piece evokes mental images of Uncle Sam losing his international prestige as President Obama scales down NASA’s space exploration endeavors.  Much like his incessant urging for war with any nation predominantly inhabited by Muslims, hypocrisy runs high from a pundit who has made a career out of denouncing big government.  But then again the infatuation conservatives have with imposing democracy abroad through military occupation and financing brutal dictators has always made the National Review and Weekly Standard crowd look like laughing stocks to anyone with a slight concern for logical consistency.

Neoconservatives like Krauthammer often gain readership by peddling “American exceptionalism” to simpletons who take comfort in their country succeeding while, in fact, it is the war contractors and corporate bed partners  of Washington who benefit from the governance of those who preach the doctrine of “limited government.”  Of course the left, who literally run their campaigns on promising to pilfer more wealth and create a constituency of obedient dependents, is equally guilty of attracting the various bedfellows of crony capitalism.  But at least their admiration for centralized planning and tightening the leash on civil society is openly professed.

For decades, the conservative movement has been an embarrassment to those who believe in true free markets, peace, and liberty.  Krauthammer’s pity party over NASA is more of the same as it represents the type of economic ignorance and worship of big government that has become a predominant feature of the mainstream “right.”  He writes:

As the space shuttle Discovery flew three times around Washington, a final salute before landing at Dulles airport for retirement in a museum, thousands on the ground gazed upward with marvel and pride. Yet what they were witnessing, for all its elegance, was a funeral march.

 

Who cares, you say? What is national greatness, scientific prestige or inspiring the young — legacies of NASA — when we are in economic distress? Okay. But if we’re talking jobs and growth, science and technology, R&D and innovation — what President Obama insists are the keys to “an economy built to last” — why on earth cancel an incomparably sophisticated, uniquely American technological enterprise?

For a man who hilariously chided President Obama’s blind commitment to throwing away more and more taxpayer dollars at politically favored firms under the guise of a six-year “stimulus” plan by declaring “even Lenin had the modesty to stop at five,” Krauthammer still operates under the assumption that perhaps a few of the various arms of federal bureaucracy are capable of generating wealth.  According to him, the staff at NASA is on the forefront of developing technological innovations:

We lament the decline of American manufacturing, yet we stop production of the most complex machine ever made by man — and cancel the successor meant to return us to orbit. The result? Abolition of thousands of the most highly advanced aerospace jobs anywhere — its workforce abruptly unemployed and drifting away from space flight, never to be reconstituted.

Judging by the above passage, Mr. Krauthammer has difficulty distinguishing between jobs which produce wealth and those that are utterly wasteful.  In order for a job to be productive, it must garner some type of return on investment.  Whether its the lawyer opening up a law practice or the hamburger flipper at McDonald’s, the outcome of profit and losses determines the success of each.  The market process of monetary calculation allows for the efficient distribution of resources.  Where profit, that is the money earned after paying for wages, land rent, interest, and other inputs, fails to materialize, then resources have been wasted as consumers send a proverbial referendum of dissatisfaction to producers by voting with their wallets.

The state, by nature of acquiring its funds through theft, does not have the same concern for profits and loss.  This renders those who carry out its operations incapable of economic calculation.  In the words of Ludwig von Mises:

There is no possible way of establishing by an objective criterion whether a district or a province is being administered well or badly, cheaply or expensively. The judgment of the activity of public officials is thus a matter of subjective, and therefore quite arbitrary, opinion. Even the question whether a particular bureau is necessary, whether it has too many or too few employees, and whether its organization is or is not suited to its purpose can be decided only on the basis of considerations that involve some element of subjectivity.

Rather than facilitate advances in technology and promote space travel, NASA has only inhibited such in being a functioning apparatus of the government.  The state only ever acquires those resources forcefully taken from the private sector.  The labor and industrial technology employed by NASA since its inception has been forever designated to and wasted by a political bureaucracy incapable of legitimately garnishing a real profit.  Without profit and loss, the effective use of resources is impossible to determine.

Krauthammer goes on to question the private sector’s viability in achieving profitable manned-space flight.

Nor for the private sector to get us back into orbit, as Obama assumes it will. True, hauling MREs up and trash back down could be done by private vehicles. But manned flight is infinitely more complex and risky, requiring massive redundancy and inevitably larger expenditures. Can private entities really handle that? And within the next lost decade or two?

The question isn’t whether the private sector can handle such a task.  It’s what policies does the government actively promote, from taxation to currency debasement, which prevent the capital accumulation necessary to fund such a costly endeavor.  With less resources being squandered away by NASA’s bureaucracy, that means more left in the hands in entrepreneurs who “might have a chance to actually prosper down the road” and “carry the water instead of drink the water,” to borrow a phrase from Rick Santelli.  If space travel can’t be funded by entrepreneurs and investors looking to buy low and sell high, than it ends up being another avenue in which to destroy wealth.  Government is and will always be incapable of allocating resources effectively.  The political time horizon only runs as far as the next election.  The return on investment for any politicians means convincing enough saps to check the ballot box next to their name.  It has nothing to do with economization and all to do with paying off campaign supporters.  NASA’s various attempts at space travel are bridge to nowhere projects like every other government boondoggle.

And as this exhaustive report conducted by Katherine Mangu-Ward of Reason Magazine shows, space exploration is being pursued by a number of private individuals and companies.  These “Rocket Men” are interested in offering a service at a profit and not appeasing their political benefactors.  Their success will be dependent solely on whether the methods and technology they utilize actually enrich the lives of others.  It won’t aid in the advancement of the static bureaucracy known as the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

Mises pinned down the fundamental predicament massive bureaucracies like NASA long ago:

Thus, the characteristic mark of bureaucratic management is that it lacks the guidance provided by considerations of profit and loss in judging the success of its operations in relation to the expenses incurred and is consequently obliged, in the effort to compensate for this deficiency, to resort to the entirely inadequate expedient of making its conduct of affairs and the hiring of its personnel subject to a set of formal prescriptions. All the evils that are commonly imputed to bureaucratic management — its inflexibility, its lack of resourcefulness, and its helplessness in the face of problems that are easily solved in profit-seeking enterprise — are the result of this one fundamental deficiency.

Contrary to Krauthammer, NASA has never represented America’s collective vision of frontier exploration.  It has been just another bureaucratic black hole for Washington to throw dollars at in hopes of buying reelection.  As investor and avowed anarchist Doug Casey thoughtfully observes on the inefficiency of NASA:

We should have colonies on the moon by now, and more: We should be mining the asteroids and developing real estate on Mars. There should be active homesteading going on out there right now. As you say, the technology for doing it is fairly mature – and would be far more so if the field had been left to the private sector, which always does things faster and more efficiently than the state.

Because one of the main tenets of economics is considering the unseen, then it can be assumed that space exploration would very well be advanced far beyond what we see today if it was left completely out of the hands of the state.  If Krauthammer truly wished the human race capable of traveling into the new frontier of the stars, he would welcome NASA cuts rather than lament.  I know I am.

 

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Tue, 04/24/2012 - 21:58 | 2372096 SAT 800
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Nasa is just more alphabet soup; more wasted billions flushed down the toilet; and I am a rocket scientist, thank you.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:01 | 2372101 I think I need ...
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i'm an astronaut and i'm going to miss my trips :(

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:06 | 2372112 Manthong
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They can't put a man in space anymore and are working on muslim outreach..

Shutter them, at least for now ..   Sorry, Charlie.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2010/07/white-house-nasa-defend-comments-about-nasa-outreach-to-muslim-world-criticized-by-conservatives/

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:07 | 2372114 SilverTree
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Wernher von Braun was a Nazi

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:35 | 2372174 Manthong
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Maybe I was a little harsh with the knee jerk .. NASA has done a lot of great things, can have worthy endeavors under the right political leadership and is an agency worthy of right sized and managed funding.

Most NASA folks likely feel frustrated and hamstrung by the lousy situation and politics of the day, too.

The problem is that considering the path the country is on, stuff has to get scaled way back to be reasonable and the largesse and cronyism of the past is not affordable anymore.

Maybe if they just killed a few truly worthless departments and agencies like Energy, Education and most of DHS we could play in space again.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:24 | 2372295 flacon
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Every human to walk on the moon was a Freemason... just sayin... 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:32 | 2372323 JW n FL
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Public Service Announcement!

 

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The Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) is a surface vessel commissioned to operate close to shore. It’s supposed to be the jaguar of Navy ships: fast and agile, with the flexibility to both engage in surface combat with modern-day pirates, and also take down submarines and mines. There are two variants of the LCS: one built by a team led by General Dynamics, which will cost $345.8 million per ship; and the other built by a team led by Lockheed Martin, which will cost $357.5 million per ship.

http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2012/04/failed-equipment-flawed-designs-plague-lockheed-littoral-combat-ship.html

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:43 | 2372341 LetThemEatRand
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All of you fucksticks have no idea what NASA did for you.  
GPS anyone?

Let's start with that and then tell me why government never "creates  wealth."

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:51 | 2372362 Crassus
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GPS is there to track you, shithook.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:55 | 2372368 LetThemEatRand
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Bet you use it everyday.  Hypocrihook.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:59 | 2372371 Crassus
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That's General Hypocrihook to you, menstrualenvy.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:04 | 2372382 LetThemEatRand
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Picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 01:08 | 2372423 Crassus
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Sorry, I didn't realize that you're a dull-witted child. I guess that your pop culture reference is to a 1980 movie. Do you have any idea what is orbiting above you? Do you? They're not looking outward. NASA is 85% surveillance, 15% exploration.

 

Also, my histrionics are to sharpen your wits for dealing with the off-site, ordinary, walking-holes-in the ground, that you must deal with in your real world. That is my understanding of the purpose of this site.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 07:19 | 2372757 insanelysane
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GPS is a luxury and not a necessity.  Maps have worked for 1000s of years but of course with the morons being turned out by the US Dept of Ed, GPS will be a necessity for the next generation.

Have a friend who's daughter just started driving.  She was following friends home down a highway and missed the fact that they exited. (most likely on cell phone)  Got lost and was panicking.  Of course car had a gps in it but .....

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:34 | 2373138 Badabing
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  We my friends, are under attack!

Slowly but surely we are being converted to a third world status.

  As countries like North Korea and India develop ICBMs that can put anything they want onto orbit we are being industrially raped. Over the years a lot of technology came out of the space program that has benefitted our economy.

  This argument about a bridge to nowhere is irrelevant, regardless some one made money or it would not have been built. Many times on ZH people have stated you can dig a hole and someone can fill it to create jobs, isn’t that what man does out side of being hunter gathers? History is full of impressively large endeavors, from the pyramids to the Great Wall of China. Landing on the moon was up there with these unbelievable achievements. It gave America unity and pride something we have very little of these days! So go ahead, side up with this dick Miller, but don’t forget profit isn’t everything, look at Goldman or the Morg these fucks are pure profit with no physical product!

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 07:37 | 2372788 Rentier
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wrong peter cheeks.  The surveillance that speak of is done by non-NASA groups.  Like ULA, Lockheed, Boeing and is done on the Air Force side.  Get your head of your ace and maybe you could see what is orbiting above you...

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:01 | 2372369 piceridu
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If space exploration was left to private visionaries and creative entrepreneurs, who knows what we would have already accomplished...my guess is much much more...and by the way, get rid of the theft that is DARPA...or rename it for what it is: WAR-PA

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:08 | 2372388 LetThemEatRand
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It is totally available to private visionaries.  

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:27 | 2372415 piceridu
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Was the marginal product of capital equalized across its alternative uses? Well functioning markets are supposed to allocate capital so as to equate its marginal product in all its uses to the interest rate that is paid to savers for their savings. Government cronies and their lobbyists are the epitome of (mis)allocation of available capital and NASA is the product of this (mis) allocation.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 03:09 | 2372581 sessinpo
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LetThemEatRand                       2372388

It is totally available to private visionaries.

 

Comment:

This is correct. NASA was a great project decades ago. The main problem with those that suggest the private sector would have done better is this. No one at the time was willing to take the financial risk because the profit potential was unknown. When comparing the investment required to the potential gain - no takers.

 

I have to agree that NASA as many programs became more of a political tool. If any thing, I think NASA has opened the eyes to the public sector to whatis possible and of course a ton of current and future technology came from their research.

 

This is one of those rare situations where a guy like myself believes in private sector investment, but the government had to get it started because the pros and cons were preventing the private sector from making the initial investment.

 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 03:16 | 2372590 AnAnonymous
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Nice admission. In US citizenism, the private sector lives off the public sector.

Everything is debt and the burden of the debt has to be taken in charge by someone so that profits can kick in.

Oh, by the way, Smith, the prophet of US citizen economics, admitted that straight away, that in its conception, there would be an issue with infrastructures but that infrastructures had to be built to enable his smithian profitable society.

US world order. And with the now impossibility to flush the debt on to a larger domain like outer space, well, Indians, those freedom lovers who freely sponsored the US of A humanitarian project, are more than ever the most sought resource of all.

Who is going to foot the physical debt required to maintain US citizen economics expansion scheme?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:25 | 2373506 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Nice trained monkey propagandism. In Chinese citizenism, the Chinese citizenism sector lives off the Tibetan sector, the Mongolians sector, and the Uighur sector.

Oh, being the way by here, Sun Yat-sen, contradictator and prophesy of Chinese citizenism economic algebraic coconutism, on a straight line of its conception admitting, there would roadways need of building with roadside expanse to enable relief of Chinese citizenism Sun Yat-sensational society profiting is.

Chinese citizenism world odor. And impossibility being now to flush roadside piles cannot, those excretion lovers upon unencumbered roadside seeking. Those clear roadsides of Nepal being resource sought ever more the now.

Who is going to place foot in roadside physical dung piles required the expansion maintaining Chinese citizenism shame?

 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:12 | 2372394 Max Fischer
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If space exploration was left to private visionaries and creative entrepreneurs, who knows what we would have already accomplished...my guess is much much more...

oh, look!... another idealistic - and incredibly fucking dumb - libertarian.

Private visionaries and creative entrepreneurs are free to do whatever space exploration they'd like. With exception of some Richard Branson endeavors, not much has materialized other than some around-the-world balloon trips.

Same goes for the postal service.  The libertarians always babble about how private enterprise could do it so much better.  It's bullshit.  If private enterprise could, they would!  Instead, private enterprise has picked out the profitable parts of the postal system (next day air and package delivery) and left the unprofitable .40 mail scraps to the USPS. 

The simple truth is that we need government to perform unprofitable, yet necessary functions.  Not everything in this world is about making profit.  

MF

Edit in:  looks like "let them eat Rand" said the same thing a minute or two before I got this posted.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:30 | 2372419 piceridu
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...and to you Mr. Fischer, you have that fish mouth of yours so securely attached to the government teat...ah forget it, just fuck off.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 05:17 | 2372648 BeetleBailey
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"Same goes for the postal service.  The libertarians always babble about how private enterprise could do it so much better.  It's bullshit.  If private enterprise could, they would!  Instead, private enterprise has picked out the profitable parts of the postal system (next day air and package delivery) and left the unprofitable .40 mail scraps to the USPS. "

Tell ya what - go to your governmental masters and allow use of the mailbox, Mr. Monopoly. You stink of fear, and I can smell it from here. Not only are you spectacularly wrong, you cannot show one area where government both provides a "necessary service" and does it well....or even mediocre.

"The simple truth is that we need government to perform unprofitable, yet necessary functions.  Not everything in this world is about making profit"

Damn you are as dumb as they come. Really now? So, in your fucked up, twisted mind-set, it's OK to both lose money, and run an inefficient, bloated "service" - because "it's necessary". Asinine.

Obama-troll much - douchebag?

Signed,

An AMERICAN (FUCK the labels of any party; don't even try that shite-tactic with me)

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 08:31 | 2372874 Sean7k
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+100 

Just have to remember that MAX loves his fascism good and hard...

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:13 | 2372397 macholatte
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The mission John Kennedy gave to NASA was awsome and the work product was too. The advances that were the offspring of the space program are numerous, including this PC, and may very well be the single shining star that shines a light on the concept that government can create economic activity. Unfortunately, that mission and the organization that put a man on the moon has morphed into just another government program. The author of the article is quite narrow minded yet his views are somewhat valid. Too bad. All glory is fleeting

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 02:41 | 2372559 Freddie
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We had competent Germans back then to build NASA and the space vehicles too.    Now we just have F-ups.   Even back then the shit built by American subcontractors usually failed and killed people.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 01:37 | 2372497 BidnessMan
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NASA has never had anything to do with GPS.  GPS was designed and built, and is still operated today, by DoD.  

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 01:50 | 2372512 Crassus
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The two are the same.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 02:41 | 2372560 Freddie
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Yup.  SkyNet.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 03:54 | 2372607 Sanksion
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Do you have no idea what the nazis did for NASA ?

Let's start with that and then tell me how the whole process, the full process, not only the slice that please you, has create wealth and death.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 05:41 | 2372666 Ar-Pharazôn
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how many billions they wasted to have gps?

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 07:50 | 2372809 Sean7k
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Did you read the article?

At what cost? Could a private company have done it? How do you measure the efficiency of production? You can't.

NASA had a monopoly on space for military reasons (high ground). They were not doing us a favor.

 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:08 | 2372974 ATM
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So what you are saying dumbfuck is that without NASA no one would have independently developed a GPS system? For fuck sakes do you know that the same thing is accomplished by cell towers right now? 

You're utter ignorance is astounding. That which is UNSEEN.....

 http://mises.org/page/1434

Not too hard to grasp.

 

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:43 | 2372342 PersonalRespons...
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+1 for explaining further your musings.  Lots of smart folks pained by what they went through.  sad

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:43 | 2372345 BidnessMan
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Sorry to say NASA has been a boondoggle for decades. Back in the early 80's I dated a flight attendant who was on one of several jumbo jets chartered for a day trip from Washington down to Florida to watch a NASA shuttle launch. For about 1,500 NASA-ites. The rudest passengers she ever had - a drunkfest down and back. Got really hostile when they had drunk through every drop of booze, and they were over-catered. A disgusting boondoggle - could have taught the SBA a trick or two.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 01:40 | 2372498 Max Fischer
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That's your measuring stick on whether funding NASA is a worthwhile expenditure?  A single report from an ex-girlfriend flight attendant from 30 years ago?

*LOL*

Libertarians are funny.

MF

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:05 | 2372111 SilverTree
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I live in Huntsville, Alabama and say its time to move on from NASA

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:49 | 2372351 LetThemEatRand
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I flew into Huntsville recently.   The airport is full of government funded weapons systems billboards.  Welfare [Warfare].   Queens.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 01:52 | 2372515 Max Fischer
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Alabama?  That's not surprising.

Are you aware that the reconstruction and repaving of Memorial Parkway in Huntsville was part of the Economic Recovery Act?  Next time you take your horse and buggy on it, thank Obama for the $17M needed to refurbish it. 

A total of over $500M was granted to Alabama for highway infrastructure projects, of which almost $300M has been spent.  Are you aware of any private individuals who would have paid for this, if not for the government?  Did you know that over 3,200 teachers in Alabama were NOT fired in 2011 because of $2.1B in federal stimulus money?  Again, any private individuals around Huntsville that would have picked up the tab? 

MF

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 07:54 | 2372817 Sean7k
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Yes, but I won't thank Congress (they funded it, not Obama) because I will never use it, but be forced to pay for it anyway. Whether people would have paid for it? How could we ever know? Fascists don't give you the freedom to choose.

Liberals are so amusing, when they're not out advertising manacles for all.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:12 | 2372988 ATM
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Interesting that you choose to use a specific federal governmnt power as an example of the govt doing good - To establish post offices and post roads.

Where is this Federal power to fund teachers? We the People established a form of government with limited powers so show me the fucking power of rthe Feds to fund teachers salaries??

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:19 | 2372136 Harbanger
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So what's a great "kiss my monkey ass" SAT score? 800 out of a perfect score of 2400?  Not!  A rocket scientist? In your dreams.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:18 | 2372138 Waffen
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If NASA was so important why dont they ask for donations?

Taxation is theft!

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:01 | 2372377 Jay_Son
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Fuck you and James E Miller of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute of Canada.  NASA's "wasteful spending" has given the U.S. enourmous scientific and technical expertise which we have used to dominate the world.  The market is only good at allocating resources; it is terrible at advancing national interests (like meritocracy, education, and science).

Neill DeGrasse Tyson says it best...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQhNZENMG1o

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 07:59 | 2372825 Sean7k
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That is because "national interests" are what fascists use to control the population. 

NASA didn't give anyone scientific expertise, it was paid for at great cost, costs that would have been much cheaper if universities could have pursued the same research and then found private enterprise products and solutions to use it on. Dominating the world militarily is vastly different from doing it economically and more dangerous.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 09:13 | 2372993 ATM
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EXACTLY!

It is those of limited intellect that cannot see that truth. 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:36 | 2372176 Eireann go Brach
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This fucking guy is a cross between Chewbacca, Nancy Pelosi and Elephant man!

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 02:04 | 2372527 Freddie
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NASA was great when the Germans ran it.  I could just see Oba-m trying to order Von Braun around or push hm to do islamic outreach. 

Let private industry take over but not some crony deal with Elon Musk, the Google Boys or Buffett.  

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 02:11 | 2372533 Freddie
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Let The Weyland-Yutani Corporation take over NASA.   Here is Peter Weyland giving a speech about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxdAWrsag8

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 16:40 | 2374859 mkkby
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"We should have colonies on the moon by now, and more: We should be mining the asteroids and developing real estate on Mars."

NASA was never more that a cold war project to build better missiles.  The shuttle was little more than a mule for launching spy satellites.  The moon landing and other manned flights were PR stunts to overshadow sputnik.

Once it was clear the military objective was met, NASA degraded into desperate PR attempts like making astronauts out of teachers.  There was never an objective to advance science or colonize planets.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 21:59 | 2372097 surf0766
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Lost me after collective.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 01:36 | 2372493 Canaduh
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Did they even land men on the moon?

Seriously, strap on your tin foil, and spend some time blowing your mind. (Hitler was also a fan of The Big Lie)

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html

Unfortunately, it isn’t just the video footage that is missing. Also allegedly beamed back from the Moon was voice data, biomedical monitoring data, and telemetry data to monitor the location and mechanical functioning of the spaceship. All of that data, the entire alleged record of the Moon landings, was on the 13,000+ reels that are said to be ‘missing.’ Also missing, according to NASA and its various subcontractors, are the original plans/blueprints for the lunar modules. And for the lunar rovers. And for the entire multi-sectioned Saturn V rockets.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 20:15 | 2375292 Cathartes Aura
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Capricorn One

*smiles*

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:00 | 2372100 AlaricBalth
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Charles Krauthammer is a neo-conservative windbag.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:11 | 2372123 Ignatius
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"Windbag" is generous.  If Krauthhammer is for it, I'm against it on principal.  What principal?  That Krauthammer is a neocon cunt, principal.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:46 | 2372202 Problem Is
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Krauthhammer is a classic Useful Idiot, Moronic Pontificater of the Corporate Whore Media...

Let's call neocons what they really are... National Socialists... Jingoistic stooges... Krauthhammer is esentially a Nazi... That's why he loves von Braun and N-ASS-A...

Krauthhammer Suffers From Cranial Rectitis
The only black hole is Krauthhammer's ass where is head has been firmly lodged throughout his "career"...

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:46 | 2372349 I am a Man I am...
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I could have sworn Krauthammer was in The Swamp Thing?

 

http://madeoutofmouth.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/swamp_thing.jpg

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:04 | 2372255 Larry Dallas
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Ignatious,

Its principle. Not principal which you mentioned not once, not twice, but 3 times... 

You're ignorant. Change your handle so as not to embarrass the worthy and go home and read more.

You obviously never took the SAT...Don't lie. You're whole report card is here for all to review..

LD

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:52 | 2372358 Creepy Lurker
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Ahem. That would be your whole report card...

And also; Ignatius.

Always remember to check your spelling and grammar when functioning in pompous ass mode.

This has been a public service announcement.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:59 | 2372451 DaylightWastingTime
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that shit right theY're just about killed me!

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 01:13 | 2372441 Ignatius
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Oh, right, you got me on my hurried spelling (I was running out the door to hear a lecture and sign a petition to amend the Constitution and repeal 'corporate personhood', but no matter).  As has already been pointed out in my absence you seem to be struggling with the mental puzzle, which would be the spelling of my avatar name: I-g-n-a-t-i-u-s.

My problem with Krauthammer is not with his grammar.  No, my problem with Krauthammer is the same problem I have with you:  shitty ideas.  One thing one can count on, however, is that a neocon shit-bag will come running to defend other neocon shit-bags regardless how stupid, corrupt, immoral or inane they may be.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:37 | 2372181 Harbanger
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List a few modern "true conservatives."   Please, I'm curious.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:55 | 2372231 Harbanger
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I'm also curious what kind of a Lib VJJ, junks a general question.  Bring it on GF.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:28 | 2372303 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Here's an article by a "true conservative" in American Conservative magazine. I think he's dead right, and I'm a liberal.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

 

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:43 | 2372343 Harbanger
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Good article.  Thanks for the link.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 05:49 | 2372673 Ar-Pharazôn
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that's a fact....

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 06:52 | 2372720 OnyerMarks
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 type type type type    schmatt!

 

Label Applied

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:01 | 2372104 Cursive
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Krauthammer's thinking is the same as, "If PBS didn't do it, who would?"  Well, Discovery Channel, History Channel, National Geographic Channel, etc.  And that's before we even address the question as to whether or not the activity is even worth doing.  Maybe we should be reading more.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 02:27 | 2372543 Freddie
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TV is for idiots who support the elites and The matrix with their drooling viewership. I bet you fall into that serf category.   Only retards watch the matrix.

Krauthammer is not a conservative but a Neocon corporatist.

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:02 | 2372105 cnhedge
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An update on TARGET2

http://www.cnhedge.com/thread-4003-1-1.html

http://www.jinrongbaike.com/

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:02 | 2372107 ACP
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Krauthammer? Sounds like the kind of guy the Greeks would want to run their government.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:03 | 2372108 BigJim
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This Miller guy sounds like a terrist to me.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:28 | 2372157 Acorn10012
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More like a wanker. No problem with NASA as a scientific endeavor - not thrilled with the Muslim outreach. Kind of says it all, from cutting edge science to a bullshit social program.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:06 | 2372109 tony bonn
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"...Leading neoconservative (read “closet Trotskyite“) commentator Charles Krauthammer’s .."

krauthammer and all of the other thugs who write for nr, commentary, and other revanchist fascist magazines are generally a bunch of jingoistic masters of the universe terrorists who do whatever they can to conquer and control.

krauthammer is a nazi without disguise.

on the other hand, the space program has been fabulous and really is not extravagant.....if you want to cut waste, start by putting the military on a south beach diet.

the only reason he mourns the space program is the possible loss of collateral high tech weapons technology to brutalize other nations.....

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:07 | 2372115 Yen Cross
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 I like this guy! " Charles Krauthammer" has always been a straight shooter!  He maintains his " Ideas", and argues against them with class!

   I have watched the Gentleman argue against the best of them.

     When it comes to finance? /

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:10 | 2372122 CH1
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Krauthammer is bright, but a statist through and through. That renders much of what he says poisonous.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:34 | 2372170 Yen Cross
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  Apparently I'm missing something?  " CH1 "? 

  Thank God it's not my turn in the [ BARREL] ,.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:52 | 2372220 Problem Is
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"Krauthammer is bright" ?????????

That worthless cock sucker is a complete and utter moron...

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:28 | 2372302 Crassus
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When that crooked old whore dies they'll have to screw her into the ground.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:31 | 2372316 Yen Cross
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 Problem is/ We have a group of very smart people, in a forum!

 The guy is Smart! I like Space Exploration!   ( ASS HOLE)

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:08 | 2372116 Jack Burton
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The whole space shuttle program was a waste. The most expensive way possible to reach low earth orbit. Even Russia had the sense to use bargain basement rockets with proven reliability to launch into space.

Some former space engineers of the glory days when America put men on the moon were quoted years back as saying "If we had not wasted our time and money on the space shuttle, America would already have sent men to Mars and have put permanent stations on the moon".

Now you can argue the use or even the reason for doing that. I am not sure we need to be on Mars and the Moon, BUT what has the stupid expensive space shuttle done that regular rockets could not have done at much more value per dollar.

One suspects that much of what the space shuttle did was military based which we never were told about. Low earth orbit is of little value unless you are using space for military purposes.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:14 | 2372129 Zgangsta
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Actually, the Soviets had their own space shuttle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_%28spacecraft%29

And the reason we need to be on Mars or the Moon: single point of failure.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:39 | 2372187 dwdollar
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And they canceled the project after they realized how ridiculous it was...

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:33 | 2372169 Centurion9.41
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Of little value blondie?

Remember that the next time you use your smart phone to tell you where you are and your nearest smoothie joint.

Not to mention what economic good is it to build a station on the moon with one-shot vehicles?  It's like building a rocket to move a freight train of material across the country.  The technology of rail did not develop over night.  Nor does re-usable space vehicles.

Oh yea, there's also that pesky little fact that the US is able to protect you and the rest of the free world with precision weapon systems.  That rely on low earth orbit satellites.

In short, congratulations, you've joined a long list of blonds and dumbasses.

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:11 | 2372270 tarsubil
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I wonder if you gave back all the wealth the federal government stole to put satelites up in orbit if the free market could have developed GPS? Yeah, that is quite the fucking mystery. I wonder if bears shit in the woods too.

You are falling for the same fallacy every liberal falls for. If food stamps didn't get funding, people would starve. Total fucking bullshit. Essentially, mobsters hand out free turkeys on Thanksgiving and you think they are awesome. You belong in the slums of Detroit. 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 02:30 | 2372549 GMadScientist
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You think the CEOs of the Fortune 500 would bet on tech that didn't have a known profit center and required building an unknown delivery system that had a non-zero chance of exploding on the launchpad? 

Could have? Maaaaybe. Would have? Fuck no.

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:23 | 2372292 BidnessMan
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Actually the Air Force put up the GPS satellites to guide weapons, and added an error factor for years to discourage free riders from other militaries. NASA has been a bureaucracy in search of a mission since the lunar landings ended in 1972. The world would have gotten by without Tang. Most other stuff would have still been invented. But, have to admit Velcro has been handy.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:47 | 2372353 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Oh yea, there's also that pesky little fact that the US is able to target you and the rest of the formerly free world with precision weapon systems.

Fixed it for you.

 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:03 | 2372375 LetThemEatRand
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Mars is an eight month trip even if you accept the most optimistic case.   A year plus otherwise.  In ZH terms, parabolic in terms of technical requirements.    

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:35 | 2372429 ClassicalLib17
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Just a question; how would they manage to repair the Hubble Space Telescope without the utility of the space shuttle?  Would it have been much cheaper to just build a new telescope and launch it when the technology improved?  I don't know

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 01:36 | 2372495 Dave Thomas
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Well first when designing a space telescope, and you're well a consortium of space agencies, You make sure you design the primary mirror for almost near weightlessness! Not for earth gravity. It would have been much cheaper had they taken into account the primary mirror would be at zero G. Talk about the DOH! of the century.

And all this hand wringing over the loss of the space shuttle. Please it was an absolute waste of money as a delivery/launch vehicle. The amount of mollycoddling it needed for every flight could have funded 3~4 Delta IV launch vehicles.

Good idea in theory, in reality a bit too expensive.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 16:45 | 2374870 mkkby
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We would not be on mars, nor will we in 30 years.  Nobody has any idea how to do that, regardless of cost.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:09 | 2372119 Hohum
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Doug Casey may be good at spotting sociopaths, but he doesn't have a firm grip on reality.  Maybe everyone here at ZH can help him start his own moon colony.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 02:35 | 2372553 Freddie
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Doug Casey is always picthing his little development in Argentina - another country run by kleptocrats.   Casey's old man got rich off the explosion of the federal govt after WW2 cause he developed real estate in the beltway.  Doug's daddy was rich.

As far as NASA?  It became the US Post office after the Germans stopped running it.   Too many as*holes watch Star Trek and think NASA is great.  Another waste of money. THese AH all want to be Capt Kirk or live in space.  

We ain't going to Mars in anyone's lifetime posting here if ever.  We are going to fiat bankruptcy hell.  Think the falkl of Rome or a more violent fall of the USSR.  We cannot afford to go back to the moon.

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:09 | 2372121 sangell
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The space telescopes are beyond dollars. Interesting that the first American president born in the space age is the first American president who cannot send an Americo/Indonesian/Kenyan or even a monkey into space.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:11 | 2372125 Zgangsta
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NASA sucks.  If the spirit of the 60's had been kept intact, we'd have had a Starbucks on Mars by now.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:32 | 2372163 Acorn10012
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Just no pride in this country anymore...iCrap, KFC and candy bars.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:40 | 2372189 Real Estate Geek
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NASA was ready to go, but the money was cut off to pay for Nam and Great Society. 

 

NASA actually had three more Apollo/Saturn stacks (Apollo 18-20) complete AND paid for, but couldn't even afford the variable costs to do the missions.

The budget cuts were even starting during the first moon mission.  Mike Collins said that he joked with Buzz Aldren about sprinkling some gold dust on the samples so the budget wouldn't be cut.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:12 | 2372127 HOKIENERD
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Nobody's stopping the private sector from doing it. If it's as easy to do as Doug Casey says, it should have been done already by the wonderful private sector. Where did Casey get his engineering degree from?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:23 | 2372149 youngman
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The Private Sector......yeah one little failure and loss of life...and how many thousands of lawyers would be suing their asses...lol...

on the other hand we don´t have the brains anymore to do something that big....playing games on an Iphone is not going to put someone in space...sorry...next country with engineers and scientists will do it...hmmm.who could that be...

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:22 | 2373484 krispkritter
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Correct me if I'm wrong but NASA has everything to do with hamstringing the private sector. Unless you've been under a rock for the last decade, private companies have been chomping at the bit to do launches and most are being impeded by .gov and NASA restrictions. .Gov even put military spending on launches into a consortium of big military contractors(ULA) which effectively locked out private companies...and guess what?...costs are soaring. There were articles published over the years on private vs. NASA launch costs for rockets and guess who was higher? Funny but the name Elon Musk keeps appearing in some of these ventures(ex. rockets, electric cars), and they all meet and been .Gov and Gov Motors entries in those markets.  

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-06-26/news/os-military-missile-business-20110626_1_spacex-satellites-united-launch-alliance

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2011/09/28/nasa-figures-show-that-commercial-spaceflight-costs-half-as-much-as-government-run-effort-would/

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:14 | 2372128 Divine Wind
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[...] on the inefficiency of NASA

 

Pick up a copy of NASA Tech Briefs sometime. Despite the inefficiencies, your tax dollars have been well spent. Chances are good your life has been touched in many ways as a result of the developments made along the way to putting a man on the moon and into the space station.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:19 | 2372141 sangell
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Unfortunately, a lot of people believe it is better to allow two untermensch to copulate on the sofa and bring forth into the world 9 months later a criminal suspect than to allow some guys at Cornell to operate a Martian Rover. Better to cast pearls before swine while a soot faced half caste basks in the praise of his genorosity than to examine what it all came from.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:37 | 2372177 Acorn10012
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+1,000,000,000

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:55 | 2372232 Centurion9.41
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Like your style Sangell.

Pearls before swine tie in is great.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:20 | 2372289 tarsubil
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Let's just forget the whole thou shall not steal thing right? Just hand over the fucking goods, serfs. NASA is doing God's work.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:16 | 2372283 tarsubil
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Here's an idea. If NASA produces so much beneficial shit, they can sell it and fund themselves. What? They can't? Oh, well, then they can go fuck themselves instead. Don't forget your diapers.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:13 | 2372132 centerline
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The entire premise of profit (and money) is what needs to be redefined.  Short of pulling this off, if it were not for State, I wager NASA in one form or another would not exist.  Same goes for so much technology that has been created via University grants, military research, etc. that is now in private production and has changed our lives forever.

To think that private hands will do better in terms of advancement of technology like this within the current monetary paradigm is foolish.  The perceived gain it too vague.  Too much risk.  Too much cost.  Not enough immediate profit.  Technology of this magnitude (like CERN) needs to lead or the system needs to be changed to reward work towards the greater good and on longer timeframes.

Realistically, if the human race is going to keep expanding there is only one way... to make it from this rock to another and another.  We ought to be putting more effort into this, not less.  Not going to happen any time soon though.  Two steps forward and one step back.  Time for the step back.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:35 | 2372171 TMT
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What's the ROI on NASA?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:53 | 2372228 Centurion9.41
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The ROI?  Why dont you surf Google for the answer on your GPS/wireless smart phone?

You're just another 99%er dumbass.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:29 | 2372308 TMT
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No idea what you are even trying to say.

If NASA is so worth it, then surely the trillions invested would have yielded a healthy return. Quantify that success or give daddy his laptop back.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:14 | 2372401 Acorn10012
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Looked like a little over one-half trillion from 1958-2011.

What was the ROI on the Great Society? Give it a few years and we'll call it the Great Bankruptcy.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 17:11 | 2374932 mkkby
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"Realistically, if the human race is going to keep expanding there is only one way... to make it from this rock to another and another."

What a daft comment from someone who's obviously never taken a single science course.  Keep watching star trek, never realizing that fantasy breaks every law of physics.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:18 | 2372139 Taint Boil
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Is it me or has there been a lot of “news” stories lately about meteors, new planets, mining asteroids, space, etc, etc. Watch out for the new bubble – space! Sucking in all the suckers money like a giant black hole. MSM is on that one.

 

Sorry, stuck here in shitsville sucking down the rum and the  …Walmart….. ah never mind.

 

I’m sure the junk mail suckers list has my name on it and probably be getting the newest hottest “tip” … trillion dollar asteroid mining adventure. ROFL.

 

 

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:30 | 2372159 Yen Cross
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 You have been missed? {Taint?Boil}  I like your posts!

  Doing OK?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:19 | 2372284 Taint Boil
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Thanks …umm.... I’m always here checking every day but been too busy for my stupid one-liner dumb ass posts. There are some really smart people here – I wish I was one of them.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:35 | 2372331 Yen Cross
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 Would you consider my " one line" responses retarded ?

   Your > the Best of the Best/ TAINT!

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:40 | 2372337 AlaricBalth
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I usually give you the green...until now. Must junk you for false modesty. You and I both know you are one smart realist. Always concise with a rapiers wit.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:53 | 2372364 Taint Boil
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Must junk you for false modesty

100% spot on... sorry, human nature.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:50 | 2372361 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Taint Boil said:

Thanks …umm.... I’m always here checking every day

I'm glad to see that you weren't lanced.


Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:43 | 2372193 blunderdog
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I think "Space" is an industry that's been struggling to bubble for 60 years.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:19 | 2372140 grey7beard
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It is heartening to see so much "NASA SUCKS" sentiment here.  I've had a nasa sucks attitude about the waste and ego stoking going on there, but I've been roundly condemned for being un American for not wanting to waste tax dollars on the boon dogle.  Just when I thought I'd lost all respect for ZH posters, you guys come through big. 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:52 | 2372222 Centurion9.41
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You probably got shit because of what you BS'd about.

NASA, like all large gov. or big business, is F'd up and inefficient.

But that doesnt mean NASA sucks or is a waste.

There's a large difference between waste and expensive and inefficient. 

Why do you think it costs so much for bio-techs to create treatments? 

Yes the private corporation beat the gov. group on the DNA race.  I'm not surprised, and glad they did.   But there's no large economic incentive for businesses to expend similar capital on space activities.  So to advance in space, which is essential for military and scientific reasons, the gov. needs to take the lead on those areas in which the national interest is ahead of the economics.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:34 | 2372329 TMT
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"NASA, like all large gov. or big business, is F'd up and inefficient.

But that doesnt mean NASA sucks or is a waste."

Most sober people would define fucked up and inefficient as "sucks".

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:26 | 2372299 Divine Wind
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G7B,

 

You are not un American. Perhaps you are just uninformed.

Give an honest look. Your feelings may change.

http://spinoff.nasa.gov/
http://technology.nasa.gov/
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/technology/index.html

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:20 | 2372142 junkyardjack
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Hey NASA, find some aliens or GTFO

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:57 | 2372235 Matt
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That's SETI (Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence) that you're looking for there. Wrong alphabet soup. Although they are connected.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:21 | 2372144 knukles
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A waste of money commented upon by a waste of intellectual space.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:22 | 2372145 JustObserving
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6 manned moon landings between 1969 and 1972 and no return trip back in 40 years and not even a moon base.

Helium-3 from the moon can enable fusion plants on Earth.  

Nasa just dropped the ball -  we were supposed to go back to the moon by 2018 (announced in 2005) but that proved to be too ambitious and was moved back to 2020  and then scrapped by Obama.  So there are no plans for the US to visit the moon anytime in our lifetime.

The Chinese claim they want to land a man on the moon.

 

"China plans manned moon mission

 

  • Friday 30 December 2011

 

Nearly 40 years after Nasa last did it, Chinese space agency announces its 'preliminary plan for a human lunar landing"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/dec/30/china-manned-moon-mission-...

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:45 | 2372197 Centurion9.41
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Stop it.  Helium-3 is not known with certainty to be on the moon in sufficient quantities.  In fact where exactly it is located is just a theory.  As is it's sutiability for nuclear fusion.

Really, between the Peak Oil, Global Warming and 99%ers, dont we have enough nutbars without creating a new group of morons who "know" energy solutions exist on another planet or some asteroid?  

All this BS, the Man Made Global Warming, the energy on the moon, the oh so sophisticated multi-derivative financial models are all toxic products that are a direct result of our educational system's failure to educate kids on what's important.  But no, they cant do that.  We need to teach the kids about some "equal" but now failed/extinct culture that white/western man, who is supposedly so screwed up, obliterated.

 

Here's some numbers for you morons.

China: it's "great" culture, that spent so much time building a huge f'ing wall of stone, and has been around for 10X as long as the US, TEN F'ING TIMES as long as the US ..... Well these f'ing rocket scientists have NOT yet made it to the moon and still eat with two friggin twigs!

US: from zip, nada, nill to the moon in less than 200 years.

Hmmmmm.  I wonder how that could have happened? 

Couldnt have been the moral, ethical or philosophical system upon which the US was built upon.  No.

It must be the water.  China's is impure.  The lucky old US's, clean.

Yea, http://youtu.be/pkYNBwCEeH4

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:46 | 2372252 Taint Boil
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I give you Helium-3:

 

….. Such a mining operation would retrieve 300 times more energy than it uses (including all the energy to fly to the moon and back)………..

 

 

 ……….. This might sound like a lot, but if you could sell the fusion energy at a price comparable to gasoline based on oil at $100 per barrel, the helium-3 would be worth $10 billion per ton…………

 

Link or just Google it

 

Right or wrong? - not sure. I don't believe anything I see, read or hear anymore - sad huh.

 

 

 

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:29 | 2372309 Hohum
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Helium-3 from the moon can enable fusion plants, but it won't.  Think about the process for a couple of minutes.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:22 | 2372146 CryingBear
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hopefully NASA will send space carriers able to mine asteroids into space soon. then wie will bring in earth's known supply of gold in as little as one trip since asteroids are made of pure diamonds, platinum, gold and silver. since the price is too high even though there is almost no use for them. oh wait, why would we fund that if there is no use for them.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:24 | 2372150 Yen Cross
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Stellar Quantatative Easing...><  Asteroid inflation!

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:41 | 2372338 Taint Boil
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Diamonds:

Astronomers discover planet made of diamond 

A diamond planet with a Helium-3 atmosphere - Holy fusion Batman, get the Bat Shuttle.


 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:27 | 2372153 Centurion9.41
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Oh please.  I love Von Misses, and am Austrian in economic thought.  But Mr. Miller sounds like another anarchist, 99% moron ranting from his parents basement spouting as gospel the mantras he recieved during brain washing at some liberal institution in the great white north.

CK is right, it's been 4 years of socializing business sectors and trying to kill innovative areas like NASA.  Not that NASA didnt need a good kick in the @ss and some serious re-structuring. 

But to claim CK is a moron because he correctly points out the loss to the US of manned space efforts, and expecially its impact on the skilled workforce is something that can only come from such tecnically skilled society as...

http://youtu.be/yZCI39NWZ5g

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:30 | 2372160 TideFighter
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NASA could've solved the "Peak Oil Dilemma" by harnessing gas from Uranus.  

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:33 | 2372168 Acorn10012
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Heh, heh, heh. He typed "gas."

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:59 | 2372238 Pure Evil
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Actually he typed gas from Ur-anus.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:32 | 2372164 William.M.Tweed
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For some reason that picture of Krauthammer on the front reminded me of Robert Prosky in Gremlins 2

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:32 | 2372319 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Dr. Strangelove

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:33 | 2372167 HD
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Hold the phone. Now I'll readily concede the government can't do much of anything without turning it into a bureaucratic, tax dollar wasting clusterfuck - but NASA has accomplished some truly amazing things - it's one of the few reasons left to be proud to be an American.

A parade of technology has filtered down to the private sector from NASA innovations - many that we take for granted as commonplace. Unlike the billions we spend fear mongering and creating a police state in the land of the free (the TSA is O-K!) where we get nothing for our blood and treasure - NASA has contributed to the life of every American and most of the worlds population.

Not for nothing folks - but in 1960 America had not yet managed even one man in space, let alone in orbit. Nine years later we landed on the moon and returned three men safe and sound. Nine years. Think about that. It's 2012 how is "Freedom Tower" coming along?

We have cut funding for NASA steadily for 40 years - one can only imagine the benefits to mankind if science and technology were something to aspire to and not a political football.

 

 

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:37 | 2372179 TMT
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We all have our favorite government pet project, but we are flat broke as a nation.

Cut spending. Cut taxes.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:45 | 2372200 HD
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Compare the TSA budget to the NASA budget. What has TSA contributed to the world exactly?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:05 | 2372247 Pure Evil
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They've made it morally acceptaple to view small children being sexually molested at your neighborhood airport on youtube. Coming soon to every public space.

 

If you dishonor the Quran, muslims worldwide become enraged.

If you molest small children at an American airport terminal, Americans shrug their sholders while perusing tranny porn.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:04 | 2372254 Dr. Engali
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Feeling up 4 year old little girls with teddy bears and 3 year old boys in wheel chairs.

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