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Never heard of rare earths until today. Don't know if I should be scared or not.
For real? Damn.
Rare Earth Elements - REEs - go into hi-tech batteries and component materials.
With or without REEs - China will tank the US within the next two years.
China doesn't need us - China can decouple - EU is more than twice the US - China will choose EUR and EU markets and rid itself (and the world) of US Empire.
TO WIT - EDUCATE YOURSELF:
China needs the US a lot more than the US needs to China.
You are framing it completely off kilter, Absalon.
China has the monies and investments for this monopoly as the World Bank (thanks to the global banking cartel) finances the building of dams in China, so that China can create REE monopolies and build dams in Africa and Brazil, circumventing environmental and human rights concerns (which might pose a prob to the World Bankster).
And then, there's all that offshored production assets and capital assets from America to China.
Yup, don't wake me up for the next war to destroy the surplus capacity (those activities the banksters always favor), as I will not be concerned......
I can't quite locate all that money that China supposedly has. I do see lots of printing, in fact, they could teach Ben a thing or two about printing.
Those "reserves" are just revenues from foreign sales. China might produce for $100 equivalent and sell to Walmart for $90, gaining $90 of FX reserves but losing $10 overall. Then the PBoC prints new yuan and trades it to the exporter for the dollar revenue. Most of those reserves then go back to Timmy.
China has spent a lot of money on empty buildings and empty cities. The ROI on those cannot be too high. Time and climate tend to render any structure less useful and less valuable. In essense, such investments are the equivalent of lighting money on fire, or blasting gold off in a rocket and sending it into space. Also, if empty structures were such a good thing---other than the GDP boost---then we should applaud the housing industry and Angelo Mozilo for doing so much good work up until 2006.
Adjust China's GDP for real inflation, then net out the debt-driven growth, and what is the real GDP? Is it still positive?
We aussies fill ships with red and black gravel ... send it in to China ... and they wire us back some digits and mouse clicks ...
it's a pretty sweet deal ...
Nice article Tyler, I've made my share of profits from the REE mania. So..., is it REE or RRE.? I was getting a headache with trying to keep up.
Absalon says: China needs the US a lot more than the US needs to China.
Not for long.
ABSALON, viking warrior - copy & paste the link/address I provided - read the article - ponder the solid arguments made - then tell us what you think.
You googled Absalon - good for you. He was a Danish warrior and bishop and really came after the Viking era was over. He fought pirates and brigands, imposed law and order and founded a city that became known as Merchants Harbor as a result of his success (the name has been shorted and corrupted and as a result we know it in English as Copenhagen). I use that screen name because I believe in the fundamental importance of the rule of law to a well functioning economy.
I have read the article you linked to. I am still of the view that China needs the US a lot more than the other way around. My point on that was not limited to rare earth elements. China buying US treasuries is part of its predatory currency practises and that lending is doing a lot more harm than good in the US. The best thing that could happen to the US economy would be if China stopped lending money to the US.
I agree it would be great if China stops lending to US - US will have to dismantle its military empire - and that would be great for the US economy.
You read such things in this US driven world.
How can an extorter depriving oneself from one's tools of extortion be good for the extorter?
The dismantlement of the US military empire is one of the few things that could bring down (understand here: crash, not going down a few points per year) the USD.
Without the US military oppression going around in the world, many commodities providers will be at last free to reject the USD vs commodities deal and wooops, so is gone the world reserve currency status.
You my friend are betting on the red Chinese? Good luck with that trade. China has much more fraud that will be exposed. Tank the US. Don't count on it. We have our problems but so does the rest of the world. If not why in the heck is the dollar gaining strength?
Because Wall Street pretends that ECB will soon pump up US rigged EU banks.
China has much more fraud that will be exposed.
I agree. One of the reasons why China has had to rely on exporting manufactured goods is precisely because China is so corrupt. If you come in as a Taiwanese company, manufacture goods to a Western design put them in a container and ship them to Los Angelos and get paid by letter of credit you: do not challenge vested interests in China, have minimal need to rely on the Chinese education or legal systems and do not need to worry about merchandising or distribution. That's why the biggest employer in China after the government is Foxcon.
What's down with Chinese banks today (specifically)?
0939.HK is down 5% and the other big 4 even more. Tyler?
I haven't looked but if I were to guess I'd say that depositors are pulling out to put money in black market lending because of central planned return on savings does not generate enough to stay with inflation. just an old fashion run on china gov't banks--- just a guess.
We have our problems but so does the rest of the world.
The difference is that it is a US world order and that many problems the rest of the world has stems from the US itself.
The reverse is not true. As hard as the US citizens try to propagate it, Zimbabwe is not the root cause of the current world crisis. The US is.
You said the same thing about Genghis Khan and the Mongolian Horde. You're starting to sound like a broken record.
Companies are innovating their way out of REE dependencies
Companies are innovating their way out of paying taxes in the US - and out of manufacturing in the US.
You are a rogue agent in the Matrix, what could possibly scare you?
That rock you've been living under...yup, Cerium.
I have been a huge bull for REE's for quite some time, although they like everything else lately have gotten hit hard. REE's more so than some other asset classes. The long term story remains the same here. If you want to make a killing get some good quality REE's into your portfolio.
And it's a delicate balance between those with the purist heavies and those that are first to market. Perhaps a balanced blend of the two.
RAinman says: Never heard of rare earths until today. Don't know if I should be scared or not.
Do not be scared but be very concerned that quite literally the technology that Arthur C. Clarke states in the third of his laws concerning technology...Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic...which we all take for granted today is made possible by the Rare Earth elements found mostly in China and in countries such as Africa where China is making huge strides in colonializing for its profit.
What is interesting is the story about Mountain Pass and the discovery of America's motherlode of Rare Earth minierals and elements. What is not mentioned is a not so rare but still classified as a Rare Earth mineral known as Lanthanum. I have known about this mineral for years as I use about 8 lenses for my telescope that all have at least one if not two elements made of Lanthanum. Lanthanum is great for this purpose for it has a very low diffraction rate for light. In other words, more of the light from a distant star gets through my eyepiece to my retina without loss from diffraction and the color stays more pure for the same reason. These eyepieces are typically more expensive but are well worth it.
However, you may not know just how important Lanthanum is in fields outside amateur astronomy. That same low light dispersion and diffraction properties make glass elements infused with Lanthanum great for micoscopes that help scientists see the minute and doctors see things that can hurt or help us biologically.
Lanthanum was used in arc-lights that help light movie sound stages and in the projection lenses at theatres.
Lanthanum is a key element in the production of rechargable batteries. Go into any Home Depot, Office Depot ( I used to work there and sold these batteries) ect. and you will find Eveready Batteries made of Nickel Metal Hydride. While not as good as Lithium rechargables, they are cheaper than Lithium and better than Nickel Cadmium because they do not develop as much of a "recharge memory" which shortens their useful life as Ni-Cads do. Even more interesting is if you drive a Toyota Prius or know someone who does, they are literally sitting on top of a bank of Nickel Metal Hydride batteries....thanks to the rare-earth mineral Lanthanum.
But wait....there's more.
Want to study gamma rays or neutrons....you need Lanthanum.
Like those fancy arc-wielders that help us wield together bridges, buildings, cars, everything? Lanthanum tip ignition elements get the show going.
Speaking of working with metal...want to make steel more malleable but retain its stength....sprinkle in a little Lanthanum.
Suffering from renal failure....Lanthanum can help flush out harmful phospates from your system so you can quite literally live another day.
You want to see something on the electron level or smaller....you need Lanthanum to build a tunneling electron microscope.
There are many more things this miracle element can do and we had the motherlode of it at Mountain Pass until we mined it out and shut it down. Now....where can you find the majority of this miracle element Lantanum?
Africa.....and you guessed it....China.
We not only will NEVER AGAIN be the masters of our own destiny due to PEAK OIL....WE DOUBLY WILL NEVER AGAIN BE THE MASTERS OF OUR OWN DESTINY DUE TO PEAK RARE EARTH MINERALS.
For in order for the "magic" to continue to flow we must now turn our eyes to Mount Doom, which resides not in Mordor...but in China.
Eloquent. Poetic. Thanks for teaching me something today.
Small correction. The rare earths are elements on the periodic chart. Not minerals. :)
"I will take the ring," said Jumbotron, "though I do not know the way."
China courtesy of Baotou Steel Group has a motherlode of REE but there is a race on to develop other deposits, its more about getting environmental permits. How this coulumnist deduces that manufacturing will be herded into China for REE products is unsubstantiated horseshit. What durable goods company chooses to place macine orders outside of China. Most of anything I own is made in China. Therefore John Daly's prophecy must have already come true. What an asshat.
Some comparison data:
Then pay attention. Has been a topic here for well over a year.
Taking whole, bitchez.
REEs are found in lots of superfluous products!
as the winds of change sweep across the plains, why not pull some ac out.
yeah but can you eat it?
r u st$ned again boy?
i'll b joining u soon....
caeris says.....REEs are found in lots of superfluous products!
AAHhhhhh....dude....you may want to read my post above you.....
The choke point in REE production seems to be refining capacity, not mining capacity.
It is apparently very dirty - lots of nasty chemicals and frequently radioactive by products. Low environmental standards was China's true advantage.
Thorium might have some commercial value if countries start using it as an alternative in nuclear power plants.
It seems to be of considerable urgency that the West bring refining capacity on stream. An Australian mining company, Lynas, is building a refinery in Malaysia. If I were looking to invest I would look at who is going to be first to have refining capacity.
It's my understanding that Rockefeller didn't make his money wildcatting- he made it in refineries, and then multiplied it when the government broke up Standard Oil (The parts were evidently worth more than the whole.)
Worth looking into, to be sure.
I recently became aware of the possible use of Thorium as a safer(?) fuel for reactors. I hope the potential is real, not just another alt-energy red herring. I suspect there would be more chatter about Japan, Germany and others looking into this if Thorium was that attractive. But, we can hope.
Re your earlier comment on China decoupling: No. Way.
Ever seen two dogs stuck together?
Thorium nuclear technology has been around since the 1960's. The program at Oak Ridge was defunded in the '70's. There's been some speculation as to why it was defunded, with regard to the anti-nuclear movement. It's probably the best candidate for a sustainable source of energy on a mass scale, yet for some reason it can't get any traction. I'd be interested to know why.
They say conventional nuke plants were promoted because military needed the by-products... ie Plutonium to make the nukes that help us sleep at night. :) Join the partay
I have had Lynas for a while. It popped up 35% over tuesday night after a week or two of 1% declines.
I keep getting this creepy feeling that China has that Malaysia threat well in hand.
REE's and PM's are a big part of the reason we're in Afghanistan. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=afghanistan-holds-enorm.... I'm sure that some well connected crony capitalist companies in the US and Europe will not receive profitable mining rights...
agreed...i'd rather take the gold, copper, and iron though... mineral riches in afghanistan
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