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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market.com

Consequences To Expect If The U.S. Invades Iran

Let’s be honest, quite a few Americans love a good war, especially those Americans who have never had to bear witness to one first hand.  War is the ultimate tribally vicarious experience.  Anyone, even pudgy armchair generals with deep-seated feelings of personal inadequacy, can revel in the victories and actions of armies a half a world away as if they themselves stood on the front lines risking possible annihilation at the hands of dastardly cartoon-land “evil doers”.  They may have never done a single worthwhile thing in their lives, but at least they can bask in the perceived glory of their country’s military might. 

This attitude of swollen ego through proxy is not limited to the “Right” side of the political spectrum as some might expect.  In fact, if the terrifyingly demented presidency of Barack Obama has proven anything so far, it is that elements of the “Left” are just as bloodthirsty as any NeoCon, and just as ready to blindly support the political supremacy of their “side” regardless of any broken promises, abandoned principles, or openly flaunted hypocrisies.  No matter how reasonable or irrefutable the arguments against a particular conflict are, there will ALWAYS be a certain percentage of the populace which ignores all logic and barrels forward to cheerlead violent actions which ultimately only benefit a select and elite few.

They do this, though they rarely openly admit it, because of unbalanced and irrational biases which drive their decision making processes.  In the case of the wars in the Middle East, the common public argument boils down to one of “self defense”.  “They are coming to get us!”  At least, that is what we are constantly told.  And I’m sure that some Americans out there truly believe this.  However, in their heart of hearts, others instead relish the idea of imposing their world views and philosophical systems upon others, even if it means using cluster bombs and predator drones.

Some people simply hate Muslims, for one reason or another.  Some people believe that war will bring with it economic gain.  Some are so afraid of what they do not comprehend that they only feel secure by attacking it.  Some believe that the U.S. citizenry is morally obligated to become entangled with governments like Israel’s, and support them without question as if they are infallible, though they are often just as corrupt as the governments we are directed to despise.  And yet others (for religious purposes), actually clamor for Middle Eastern destruction in the desperate hopes that their version of biblical prophecy will be vindicated.  Ultimately, most Americans who support continued destruction in the Middle East, or anywhere else for that matter, do so out a selfish need for private absolution and elevation, not out of a sincere sense of patriotism, and not because nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, or Iran present a legitimate danger to their safety.

These men and women have invested their very identities into the mechanizations of collective war.  They will not be swayed by evidence or honorable arguments.  Any criticism of the actions of the collective will immediately be treated as a personal attack on their individual character, causing their minds to shut down completely.

As far as Iran is concerned, I am not here to convince the war-drum pounding zombie hoards infesting the mentally impotent sewage soaked wastelands of my country that their rationalizations for raining laser guided death on the third world is a “reprehensible thing”.  Given their impenetrable biases, which I listed above, that would be a complete waste of time. 

I could, indeed, point out how in 1953 the U.S. and Britain overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammad Mossaddegh, because he refused to allow global corporate interests to exploit his country’s oil resources.  I could outline how the forced CIA installation of the Shah in Iran and the creation of his secret police led to the torture and murder of thousands of innocent people.  I could list similar covert activities over the past 100 years or so, in countries all over the world, which have created the now universal disdain the third world has for the U.S. government.  I could even show them a PBS special from 1987 which effectively details this history and warns of what is now going on today.  The kind of mainstream news coverage that networks currently blacklist honest and daring journalists for:

But what about all the nuclear talk being shoved down our throats lately?  Doesn’t this supersede any historical concerns between Iran and the U.S.?  What if the terrorists get their hands on “the bomb”?! 

On this issue, I could easily interject the fact that countries supposedly hostile to the U.S., like North Korea, have long had nuclear capability, and certainly the means to use infiltrators to deliver that technology, yet, we haven’t sent the Western war machine after them.  I would also set the record straight by mentioning that the ONLY country in the world that has used a nuclear weapon against another is the U.S.  I could educate these people on the exposure of secret Israeli nuclear weapons programs since the 1970’s, and the fact that Israel even attempted to illegally sell this technology to Apartheid South Africa:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-24/israel-tried-to-sell-nuclear-weapo...

I could try to clear the air by reminding the uninformed that Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta recently admitted that Iran has no nuclear weapons capability.  And, that this fact was repeated by an Iranian nuclear scientist, Sharhram Amiri, who defected to the U.S. in 2010 with the help of the CIA in the hopes that he could be used to disseminate propaganda on “secret” nuclear weapons programs in his former homeland.  Instead, he only reinforced the assertion that there are no such programs:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LG21Ak01.html

With the CIA made to look foolish, they have now decided that Amiri is “peripheral” to the Iranian nuke programs, and is no longer a solid source of information.  I could follow by pointing out how decidedly convenient this is…

What about all the similarities between the lies on WMD’s in Iraq and the rhetoric against Iran today?  What about the disinformation put forward by the IAEA and its cadre of foreign policy yes-men?

What about the fact that back when Iran was run by our own puppet leader, the Shah, an iron-fisted sociopathic dictator, we were more than happy that the country was developing nuclear power plants:

Sorry, but sharing this information with the warmongering percentage of our American culture is futile.  None of this data means a thing to them.  For these people, it’s not about facts; it’s about foggy perception, uncontrolled emotion, and false identity.  Understanding the situation only complicates their pursuit of the next collectivist high; that frenetic freak frenzy that takes hold of a population and makes them swarm like mad bees, or hungry piranha, poisoning and devouring everything in their path.

With this in mind, the only recourse I could possibly think of to wake them up to their philosophical and moral folly is to expose them to very real and debilitating consequences they will face in their everyday lives in the wake of expanded conflict on the part of the U.S.  That is to say, you may hate Iran, you may hate Iranians, you may despise Muslims, you may be driven by a childish need to live vicariously through the exploits of your government, or, you might actually believe the hype that Iran is in league with Al-Qaeda, that they really are after nuclear weapons in a diabolical plot to harm Americans, and you might truly believe that Israel is that “beacon of freedom” in the Middle East and that all its neighbors must be pacified for the sake of democracy.  At bottom, whatever your deepest intentions, and whatever you might think, this is irrelevant in the face of the inevitable costs of war.  If you support such a war, here is how it will affect you when it breaks loose:

Exploding Oil Prices

The U.S. has had a ban on Iranian oil imports since 1979, however, Iran still supplies about 5% of the global oil market.  This might not seem like much, but Iran also has the means and ability to shut down the Straight of Hormuz, which is one of two major petroleum choke points in the world.  Around 17 million barrels of oil per day are shipped through the Straight of Hormuz, or about 20% of all oil traded worldwide.

In 2006, during the last major Iran war scare, experts predicted gasoline price increases in excess of $10 a gallon if Iran was invaded.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/07/news/international/iran_oil/

This would devastate the U.S. economy, which is already hanging by a thin thread.  Iran has announced this past weekend it will cease all oil shipments to Britain and France in protest of their support of economic sanctions.  This alone is causing oil to spike today.  A global energy crisis will financially decimate average citizens who will have their savings sapped by extreme price inflation, not just in gasoline, but in all goods that require the use of gasoline in their production and shipping.  If you like this idea, then by all means, support an invasion of Iran.

War Domino Effect

In January of 2010, I wrote an article for Neithercorp Press entitled “Will Globalists Trigger Yet Another World War”.  In that article, I warned about the dangers of an invasion of Iran or Syria being used to foment a global conflict, in order to create a crisis large enough to distract the masses away from the international banker created economic collapse:

http://www.alt-market.com/neithercorp/press/2010/01/will-globalists-trigger-yet-another-world-war/

In 2006, Iran signed a mutual defense pact with its neighbor, Syria, which is also in the middle of its own turmoil and possible NATO intervention.  Syria has strong ties to Russia, and even has a revamped Russian naval base off its coast, a fact rarely mentioned by the mainstream media.  Both Russia and China have made their opposition clear in the case of any Western intervention in Iran or Syria.  An invasion by the U.S. or Israel in these regions could quickly intensify into wider war between major world powers.  If you like the idea of a world war which could eventually put you and your family in direct danger, then by all means, support an invasion of Iran.

Dollar Collapse

Make no mistake, the U.S. dollar is already on the verge of collapse, along with the U.S. economy.  Bilateral trade agreements between BRIC and ASEAN nations are sprouting up everywhere the past couple months, and these agreements are specifically designed to end the dollar’s status as the world reserve currency.  An invasion of Iran will only expedite this process.  If global anger over the resulting chaos in oil prices doesn’t set off a dump of the dollar, the eventual debt obligation incurred through the overt costs of war will.  Ron Paul has always been right; it doesn’t matter whether you think invasion is a good idea or not.  We simply CANNOT afford it.  America is bankrupt.  Our only source of income is our ability to print money from thin air.  Each dollar created to fund new wars brings our currency ever closer to its demise.

This combination of disastrous economic policy and disastrous foreign policy has actually been used before.  Great Britain once sat in the position of economic authority that the U.S. sits in today, and the pound sterling was once considered the world reserve because it was required in the global trade of oil, just as the dollar is now.  However, British intrigues in the Middle East, and more specifically in Egypt, led them into extreme debt.  In the 1940’s and 1950’s, international banks led by America and France threatened to dump British Treasury Bonds in response to their efforts to dominate Middle Eastern oil.  Does any of this sound familiar? 

This ultimately led to considerable devaluation of the pound.  In 1967, the death blow was finally delivered when Prime Minister Harold Wilson artificially reduced the British exchange rate by 14% overnight!  Meaning, in the span of a single evening, British citizens lost 14% of their buying power, and every product they went out to buy the next day would cost them 14% more.

It would be practical to mention that the move to destroy the British pound came right in time for the implementation of new programs for the construction of the European Union, and the Euro, the new supranational currency which would later become the standard.  The EU and the Euro never could have come about while the Pound Sterling remained a world reserve.  Just another amazing coincidence I’m sure, and one that couldn’t possibly have any relation to what is happening to the dollar in 2012, right…? 

So, if you like the idea of losing 14% or more of your buying power overnight, and having that financial loss blamed on the tides of war, rather than on the corporate bankers who actually created the mess, then by all means, support an invasion of Iran.

Civil Liberties Destroyed

Do you like being able to walk down the street without having to suffer through constant pat-downs by low wage brain-dead cretins in blue gloves?  Does it make you feel good to know that if you are ever arrested, whether you are guilty or not, you are guaranteed by law to receive a fair trial by your peers in a civilian court with a lawyer by your side?  Do you enjoy taking a long drive with the family without facing check points, and predator drones constantly overhead every time you put the top down to feel the wind in your hair?  Don’t get too comfortable, folks!  These “luxuries” will soon be a thing of the past, especially as the U.S. financial situation deteriorates and war escalates.  Think of all the new threats the elites in our government can use to rationalize the usurpation of Constitutional protections when war with Iran, or Syria, or Russia, or China, or all of them at once, breaks out.

The term “terrorist” will take on a whole different dynamic.  Great national dangers often facilitate broader definitions of who is and who is not an “enemy of the state”.  Crisis gives wings to legislation like the NDAA.  In this kind of despotic environment, no one, even those citizens who support the state in nearly all of its enterprises, is safe.  Maybe you love the idea of war with Iran, but at the same time, hate the idea of having a TSA goon manhandling your wife or daughter in a train station or on a street corner.  Good luck with that.  Speaking out could be treated as disruption of national security measures.  Off to the gulag with you!

The “greater good” somehow always entails the dissolution of civil liberties for the common man.  Invariably, the establishment in power favors no one, save a highly connected few.  Being pro-establishment does not necessarily protect you from a government given free reign to do whatever it pleases in wartime.  In the end, everyone is fair game.

If this is the kind of America you want to live in, by all means, support an invasion of Iran.

If You Can’t See The Big Picture, You Can’t See A Thing…

The relentless drive for war in the Middle East is not about “spreading democracy”.  It is not about terrorism.  It is not about oil (at least for the most part).  It is not about Israel (at least, not the Israeli people).  It is not even about corporate profiteering by the Military Industrial Complex.  War in the Middle East is about changing the way our country and our world operates, culturally, socially, financially, and politically.  War opens doors to social re-engineering that could never be accomplished otherwise.  War creates fear, panic, rage, and allows dystopian fallacies to reign supreme.  War, unjust and dishonorable war, makes countries weak, and ripe for violent change. 

Iran is not a threat to our way of life, and never has been.  But, war in Iran could easily upset the core of our entire country, and leave us wayward strangers in the land we were born.

While much of the rhetoric of preemptive invasion that America has been awash in these past few months is carefully crafted and disseminated by government entities whose intentions are far from honest, its effectiveness is mute without the helping hand of a thoughtless subsection of the public.  Every decade or so, a new generation of idiot spawn comes of age to be willingly sacrificed on the chopping block of globalist conquest.  This new decade brings with it the promise of not just more of the same, but perhaps the most costly tithe to the gods of war ever made in our country’s history.  This is not our fight.  This is a fight we are being conned into undertaking for the profit of others, and thus, it is a fight we cannot win.  Perhaps when the blind mobs of this nation feel the abrupt sting of their foolishness in their narrow day-to-day existence, they will finally understand…

 

 

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Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:34 | 2177484 gdogus erectus
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Top picture looks about right.  His timeline has been moved up a bit.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:38 | 2177493 Careless Whisper
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Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:52 | 2177522 Spirit Of Truth
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The consequences may be quite unexpected:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQBZ1i_PVxo

Most here have history backwards.  Americans truly are (and soon to be were) the relative good guys. The Kremlin appreciates your support in being useful stooges as Russian strategists pursue their apocalyptic, tyrannical global objectives.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:53 | 2177560 rajat_bhatia
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So the previous World War was precipitated to "protect the Jews" And this coming World war will have the same reason? To "protect the Jews"?? LoL you dumb caucasians

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:09 | 2177618 Sandmann
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Are you really as stupid as you make out in print ? The previous World War had more to do with protecting Indians from the Japanese Invader or don't you know much about Kohima ?

http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/2058100/KOHIMA%20WAR%20CEME...

and what war are you speaking about ? The one the Americans joined on 7 December 1941 ? or the ones the Poles experienced on 1 September 1939 ? Or the one the British experienced at 11am on 3 September 1939 ? Or the one the French experienced after 5pm on 3 September, 1939 ?

 

Is your education rajat_bhatia so pitifully miserable that you don't have a clue but simply spout ignorant bigotry ?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:17 | 2177635 Spirit Of Truth
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The villification of America, Jews and Israel is nearly complete.  The strategic outcome will be clear for all to see soon enough. What Hitler did to the world will become a footnote to human history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F10OYMfbvcQ

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:21 | 2177656 GeneMarchbanks
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Russians in funny Pope hats! Yikes! Terrifying.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:30 | 2177681 MillionDollarBonus_
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I'm sick and tired of the "Blame-America-First" crowd defaming our courageous military the work they do to spread democracy and fight terrorism. Our military is keeping the world SAFE from threats that very few people want to face up to, and this is the thanks they get from cowardly libertarians.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:33 | 2177696 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Killing in the name of!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:43 | 2177730 Dr. Richard Head
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http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2012-02-16.asp

 

I’m always intrigued by those in the pro-interventionist crowd who trot out World War II to justify U.S. imperialist interventionism in the Middle East and the rest of the world. They always act as if the United States won World War II and also saved the Jews from the Holocaust. Nothing could be so ridiculous.

With respect to the European Jews, virtually all of them were dead by the end of the war. World War II did not save them from the Holocaust.

We also shouldn’t forget about the U.S. government’s attitude toward Jews, including those living in Germany and Poland. Roosevelt’s government didn’t like them any more than the Hitler regime did. Indeed, when Hitler offered to let the Jews leave Germany alive, Roosevelt wouldn’t let them come to the United States. Immigration quotas was the excuse he used.

For that matter, don’t forget how Roosevelt’s government treated German Jews in the infamous “Voyage of the Damned,” when U.S. officials refused to permit Jewish refugees from Germany to disembark at Miami Harbor, knowing that the German ship captain would likely be relegated to returning them to Nazi Germany.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:50 | 2177755 The Big Ching-aso
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Slouching Towards Obamageddon?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:18 | 2178223 Michael
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300+ nukes in the hands of 6 million psychotic Israelis is the total definition of insanity. A country the size of New Jersey full of paranoid schizophrenics.

If Israel starts the war and Iran retaliates, Israel could be on the verge of total destruction with conventional weapons. At that point Israel could nuke Tehran, then all hell breaks lose.

Don't be an Israel ass licker. Why should 320 million American's lick 6 million Israeli bung hole? That's not my country!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:19 | 2178225 swanpoint
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nuke the chinks first

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:56 | 2178456 Id fight Gandhi
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Perfect summation of the situation.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:20 | 2178553 Hacked Economy
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I completely agree with the main premise of the article (that we've been engaging in senseless and unnecessary wars for a long time and have no legitimate business going after Iran), but I found all the vitriolic adjectives distracting.  Calling the entire American nation full of "zombies", "couch generals", and "warmongers" who are good for nothing?  Sure, we all know a few who need some sense knocked into them and don't have a clue of how the real world works, but it's highly distracting to spew that hatefire with such a wide reach.  It's like being served a good dinner on a garbage can lid...the content is great, but your focus slides down to the lid because the person handing it to you didn't exercise good taste in the delivery.

I thought this would be a good place to insert my comment, seeing that Michael above seems to also enjoy slapping a label on the entire citizenry of a particular country.  That's pretty much been his slant for a very long time.

Junk away, fellow ZH'ers.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 22:57 | 2179604 superflyguy
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Generally the article is right. If you don't think so, just go to any MSM comments section (liberal/"conservative") concerning the pre-emptive attacks and read the comments there. You will see that the majority are as described in this article. Hell, read some of the comments above yours. Zombies even on ZH! :-)

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 14:29 | 2217333 cnsteph
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So we should just wait until the Iranian's wipe Israel off the map LIKE THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO DO?

 

BOTH are crazy zelots in my opinion.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:20 | 2177858 Moe Howard
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"With respect to the European Jews, virtually all of them were dead by the end of the war. World War II did not save them from the Holocaust."

If virtually all of the European Jews were dead by the end of the war, who are all these Holocaust survivors I have seen all my life?

Where did the Jews come from who were "allowed to leave" Poland in 1969? After all, virtually all of them were dead by 1945, so where did they come from?

 

The rest of your comments are based on facts. Try to base all your comments on facts.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:36 | 2177915 Randall Cabot
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"With respect to the European Jews, virtually all of them were dead by the end of the war. World War II did not save them from the Holocaust."

What a crock of shit!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:39 | 2177924 Randall Cabot
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 Roosevelt wouldn’t let them come to the United States

Roosevelt sure had a lot of jew friends and advisors for a guy who didn't like jews:  Morganthau, Baruch, Frankfurter, Brandeis...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:56 | 2178140 JOYFUL
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That guy's post was b.s. Thanks for bringing it back on track.

The resident American Sabbatean community, with high powered connections, (who pose as jews when in the west and muslims in the east) pulled strings on behalf of their Warburg&Co. sionist puppetmasters so that jews in Europe who were not considered the right material for the desired homeland in Palestine could not get out of the trap.  They were considered undesirables and totally expendable by the cryto-jews who bankrolled Hitler in order to get back at Stalin who offed their boy Trotsky.  Trash like Soros actually 'made a killing' selling Hungarian jews to the Germans.

*if that's too much to get one's head around, here's the abridged version: people who called themselves jews in WW2 American expressly stymied the efforts of European jews to get out of German-occupied Europe. Crypto-jews hate "jews" - and pretty much everybody else too. That's why they are destroying the west.

History: it's not what you think.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:57 | 2177793 SemperFord
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So you did what they told you...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:11 | 2177842 The Big Ching-aso
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Consequences to expect if U.S. invades Iran

Expect more shit to hit the fan

As if we have choice when the tube is still moist

Our arses will soon feel The Man

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:06 | 2177825 Ima anal sphincter
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MDB.......Dickhead extraordinaire.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:29 | 2177891 ReeferMac
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Wow, really? You simply don't get it, do you?

 

The whole reason those threat's even exist, is because of the actions of American Foreign Policy! Did you read the article? Iran hates us because we overthrew their democratically elected leader and installed a puppet. This has been repeated several times throughout history. THAT is why the rest of the world hates us so much. If we just kept to ourselves, minded our own political affairs, and stopped being the global bully, nobody would be trying to pick a fight with us!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:43 | 2178097 RichardP
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If we just kept to ourselves, minded our own political affairs, and stopped being the global bully, nobody would be trying to pick a fight with us!

The Muslims have waged war on the infidels of Europe, and won, at least twice in the past.  The actions of the United States had zero to do with their desires to exterminate the infidels then.  Can we guess that today the Muslims would still have as a goal the destruction of the infidels, even if the United States had done zero meddling in middle eastern affairs?  Sometimes it is useful to let the history of the past inform our understanding of the present.

The following is said of Saladin in the mid to late 1100s.

Saladin's every act was inspired by an intense and unwavering devotion to the idea of jihad, or holy war--the Muslim equivalent of the Christian crusade. It was an essential part of his policy to encourage the growth and spread of Muslim religious institutions.

Through moral regeneration, which was a genuine part of his own way of life, he tried to re-create in his own realm some of the same zeal and enthusiasm that had proved so valuable to the first generations of Muslims when, five centuries before, they had conquered half the known world.

http://history-world.org/saladin.htm

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:21 | 2178231 JOYFUL
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Your version of history(and your use of the source you quote from) is curiously truncated...I can't imagine why you chose to avoid including the paragraph immediately following, from the same piece you used in your brainless attempt to muster the required fear and loathing we are all supposed to have for 'THE ENEMY!?!? I had to laugh when I saw you select Saladin for your hit job!

"In stark contrast to the city's conquest by the Christians, when blood flowed freely during the barbaric slaughter of its inhabitants, the Muslim reconquest was marked by the civilized and courteous behaviour of Saladin and his troops."   http://history-world.org/saladin.htm

 

Here's a couple of other crumbs to nibble on genius!

Saladin and the Crusaders agreed to a truce in 1180, but after repeated violations of the truce by Raynald of Chatillon, battle between Christian and Muslim forces was initiated once more. In 1187, Saladin took Jerusalem in a siege and slaughtered the surviving Templar knights in a ceremonial execution.

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Outraged by their defeat, England took up a “Saladin tax” to fund a third Crusade against Saladin and recapture Jerusalem. Saladin found a worthy opponent in Richard I of England (also known as “the Lionheart”). Richard captured the city of Acre and killed 3000 of its Muslim inhabitants. Saladin retaliated by executing the Frankish prisoners he had captured in a previous battle.

from http://www.gojerusalem.com/article_562/Saladin-An-Icon-of-Chivalry ...an israeli site.

A total failure as a trolling provocateur, an astoundingly abject loser as a purveyor of historical disinfo, what's next for you, a career with the TSA?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:06 | 2178341 falak pema
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That is in my book...and more. I'm geopolitical and include the whole Italian picture, the beginnings of Guelph-ghibelline rivalry, as it impacted  on the Crusader and Frankish picture along with the Byzantine empire photo and the Saladin epopée...fun writing it...

Pech Souleila: Sidi Kafir By Falakpema

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:22 | 2178253 macholatte
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Wuz a madda you? Didn't you read the article?

Clearly the ONLY people in the world who love a good war are Americans. Everybody else is peaceful and loving, except maybe the Brits. Something weird must happen to all the immigrants when they leave their former peace loving countries and take up residency in America because they clearly must support "American Imperialism". Or is it only people born in America who are war mongers, except for all the anchor babies. Yea all those immigrants aren't really running away from their homelands, they must be kidnapped by the CIA and forced to come to America and work in a 7-11 or drive a cab or start a business or become CEO of Pimco.

But it's all about the Jews isn't it. If only they'd just go away then Iran could allow UN inspectors into its country and it, like the other ME countries, could stop squandering their oil largesse on weapons from Russia and China and all could go back to being peace loving countries like North Korea. Yes, Islam is the religion of peace and the sooner everyone realizes that the sooner there will be peace on earth and good will toward men.

Don't you think Michelle Obama would look great in a burka? Maybe put her on the cover of all those fashion magazines with Oprah wearing $25,000 designer burkas hand made from Egyptian cotton by peace loving Iranians.

 

 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 19:34 | 2179049 jwoop66
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It is amazing how America and the jews cause so much trouble in this peaceful world.   Personally, I think the jews and America killed the hutus... or was it the tutsis?   Either way it was our fault.  I think we started the crusades.  You know Islam didn't spread its faith by conquering north africa,  it was probably the jews... or amerika...    I'm sure they just stopped by jerusalem to get a cup of sugar or something.   It was then that the jews and Amerika started the Crusades.  The Rothschilds financed the crusades.   I think...

Some of this is so confusing...

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 01:39 | 2180104 TheFourthStooge-ing
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macholatte said:

But it's all about the Jews isn't it. If only they'd just go away then Iran could allow UN inspectors into its country

Where do you get your information? Johnny Quest cartoons? IAEA inspectors are in Iran, and have been in Iran for years. Every aspect of Iran's nuclear program has occured under the watch of these inspectors. Iran is in compliance with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Do you just not care enough about your flag-wrapped anti-Islam diatribes to put forth even a minimal effort to make them sound plausible?

 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:27 | 2178583 RichardP
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I invite all to re-read my post if necessary to see the point I actually made.  I was not discussing how nicely either side did or did not fight.  But nice attempt to direct attention away from my point.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 21:12 | 2179318 Zeff
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Answer of this German Muslim scholar when he was asked about terrorism and Islam : He said : Who started the first world war ? Muslims ??
Who started the second world war ? Muslims ??
Who killed about 20 millions of Aborigines in Australia ? Muslims ??
Who sent the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Muslims ??
Who killed more than 100 millions of Indians in North America ? Muslims ??
Who killed more than 50 millions of Indians in south America ? Muslims ??
Who took about 180 millions of African people as slaves and 88% of them died and was thrown in Atlantic ocean ? Muslims ??
No , They weren't Muslims!!!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:43 | 2178419 madmax1965
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Exactly!  BLOWBACK BITCHEZ!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:48 | 2177950 midtowng
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What I'm sick and tired of is people who will defend imperialist wars based on blatant lies because they are too stupid to tell the difference between the words "soldier" and "war".

Thus these stupid people wrap themselves in the flag and think that defending something poisonous to the nation is atually good for it.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:15 | 2178027 goldfish1
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The most important line in the article, leading to the conditionof the citizenry of the US:

 

"At least, that is what we are constantly told."

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:01 | 2177996 Red Raspberry
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US Military fighting side by side with the enemy, at one time or another, when they aren't shooting at them.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:35 | 2178273 spondoolix
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I'm curious about how many zero hedge "posters" actually served in the military?  How about a vote starting with me - Viet Era Army vet.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:44 | 2178424 madmax1965
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USMC, HERE! SEMPER FI BITCHEZ!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:52 | 2178440 mbarido
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Vietnam Era veteran - Air Force.

Tired of my liberties going bye-bye one by one and no one seems to care when I talk about it.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 19:36 | 2179056 jwoop66
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USN

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 20:18 | 2179210 boiltherich
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USAF 4 years, 100% disabled vet.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:06 | 2178345 bigkahuna
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@ milliondollarbonus:

 

troooooooooooooooooooololololololololololololooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllll!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:26 | 2178371 kk1532003
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4 years active duty Marine Corps infantry.  Decorated and honorably discharged.  I never spread democracy to a single soul.  It's not a virus.  It's not contagious.  It comes from the governed of the soverign nation in question, not from the paid guns who are "there to help".

A coward is a person who is afraid to see and speak the truth.  As a free man I owe no thanks nor allegiance to those who would take away my freedoms one liberty at a time.  You'll get no "by your leave sirs" from me...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:23 | 2178810 kill switch
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I'm sick and tired of people saying ,,,I'm sick and tired of the "Blame-America-First" crowd

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:28 | 2177677 john39
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not necessary for anyone to villify the U.S. or Israeli governments, they do a fine job of that all by themselves.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:40 | 2177718 caconhma
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HAARETZ.vcom

Mon, February 20, 2012 Shvat 27, 5772

The resolution passed by the United Nations General Assembly condemning Syria, supported by 137 countries, has not impressed the Syrian regime which is only escalating its war against the opposition and widening its war zones. Russia continues to come to aid of the Assad regime with weapon shipments, and on Friday two Iranian warships passed through the Suez Canal on the way to Tartus port in Syria.

Western officials fear that Iranian military presence along with Russian aid could turn Syria into a center of international friction much worse than the struggle inside Syria. They fear that the control over actions in Syria will be taken over by a Russian-Iranian "partnership" which would exclude the European Union and Turkey and that U.S. involvement could be too late and inefficient.

Turkey fears this development after a diplomatic crisis erupted with Syria when more than 40 Turkish intelligence officers were captured by the Syrian army. Over the past week, Turkey has been conducting intensive negotiations with Syria in order to secure their freedom, and Syria insists that their release will be conditioned on the extradition of Syrian officers and soldiers that defected and are currently in Turkey.

Syria also conditioned the continuation of the negotiations on Turkey's blockade of weapon transfers and passage of soldiers from the rebels' Free Syria Army through its territory. It also demanded that Iran sponsor the negotiations of releasing the Turkish officers.

Turkey, who mediated several weeks ago between the Free Syria Army and Iran to secure the release of several Iranian citizens who were captured by the rebels, rejects Syria's demands, and for this reason Turkish sources believe that Turkey will soon decide on hardening its stance on Syria.

Syria, on the other hand, has recently published "confessions" that it allegedly gathered from the Turkish officers that they were trained by Israel's Mossad, and were given instructions to carry out bombings to undermine the country's security. According to the Syrians, one of the Turkish officers said that the Mossad also trains soldiers from the Free Syria Army, and that Mossad agents came to Jordan in order to train al-Qaida officials to send to Syria to carry out attacks.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:50 | 2177758 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Assad must have stolen Geranimo's skull from Poppy Bush to get the West so riled up over such a little country.  Give us the skull back Assad!  In the name of world peace.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:51 | 2177759 DaveyJones
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it's ironic that Haaretz asks many more questions than anything in print in the US

Ps. Love the Shah ad.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:52 | 2177769 FrankThinkTank
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Haha @ Haaretz. The New York Times of the ME. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:01 | 2177807 DaveyJones
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which just shows you how bad the NYT is....

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:38 | 2178407 Arthor Bearing
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Haaretz is the only voice for peace in the major media there. Even if you don't agree with all of their editorial positions you have to admit they are a net force for good in a country ruled by hawkish religious nutcases.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:19 | 2178030 defencev
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I frankly have not read a piece of shit as this "article" for a very long time. The author bullshiting in this blog left and right with his "forecasts" which never come true.

1. Russians will never enter into direct military conflict with US be it Syria, Iran or anything else. On the contrary they just will be glad to rip benefits of higher oil prices.

2. US should not spend a cent on the war. The bill will be readily and happily picked by Saudis and other Sunni Arabs.

 

3. What is this bullshit about all these pat downs  : the war will be swift: just to eliminate Iranian capacities to produce nuclear weapons or shut Straits of Hormuz

4. Dollar is not going to weaken. Where this bullshit coming from? On the contrary , it will strengen as usual safe haven.

What else? This guy is worthless shit himself, however eloquently he tries to brush his opponents in simiar way...

5. And, yes, of course such a war will end the recession. Is not that what Mark Faber  talking about?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:44 | 2178101 Alasdair
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Well then what are we waiting for?  I know we were told that the Iraq invasion would be short and pay for itself.  Unfortunately that didn't work out.  So I guess we're due!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:11 | 2178196 defencev
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Well then what are we waiting for?

We are waiting for Obama to be removed from the office.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:48 | 2178108 Rynak
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Someone is trying to compete with MDB.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:55 | 2178135 Barbarians_R_Us
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I agree with your contentions, except point 3. The war "could" be swift. But the U.S. has a huge need to keep employed hundreds of thousands of soldiers who would otherwise come back home and add to the unemployment roster. Definitely something Obamalongdingdong can't have happen before Nov.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:40 | 2178641 JoBob
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The war will be swift and the dollar will not weaken?

Really?

I mean...REALLY? Defencev, you're a riot!   /sarc.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 19:43 | 2179076 defencev
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Really. In what world you , guys, are living? Ahmadinejad is a clown albeit a malicious one. I wouldl put him in the category of Jokers. You are listening to  all these fucking muslim propaganda about mighty Iranians. This is just bullshit. That will be swift.

And the Dollar will strengthen. And Saudis will pay for this. You, guys, here is a bunch of brainwashed idiots. And remember:

the very fact that Sarah Palin thinks that Iranian regime is evil does not mean that it is not.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 22:22 | 2179473 Rynak
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I for one am living in a world, in which i am not selling out my conscience for wealth.

That pretty much trumps any of your false arguments you could bring up, at least regarding integrity, BITCH! Actually, strike that.... i think i'd have more symphathy towards people who honestly sell their sexuality for wealth, than you selling yourself out something more serious.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:17 | 2178779 DaveyJones
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How are those alternative history books coming? Yes, the dollar never weakens. All wars are swift, especially with a country and military so strong (and unstretched) as ours. You think "direct" military conflict is the only way Russia can "fight" us? Eveyone has a line in the sand. Everyone is worried that we may "lose it." We are the best evidence for that concern. China might have an opinion and some leverage too.   

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:09 | 2178118 Mr Kurtz
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Spirt of Truth: Say you don't mind if I just refer to from now on as sot do ya?  I assume the reference to Hitler was meant to invoke an analogy to Israel's 'final solution' to the Palestinian Question? Well why didn't you say so in the first place.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:56 | 2178924 Chuck Walla
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Hitler just made Margaret Sanger and George Bernard Shaw manifest in reality.  Why do you think the Progressives and Obama are so hot fro eugenics and Planned Parenthood?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:31 | 2177899 Abitdodgie
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Fox says America has just declared war on Iran through congress.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:32 | 2178070 goldfish1
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Fox. phttthhh.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:10 | 2177837 xela2200
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You might want to change your handle to Delusion of Truth.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:01 | 2177809 ZeroPoint
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You are a thread jacking piece of shit.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:56 | 2178142 fuu
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A little misleading on this headline:

Ron Paul Wins Maine Caucus With Twice As Many Votes As Mitt Romney In Vote Delayed Due To Snowstorm

 

He did not win the overall caucus, he came in first in the delayed county. He is still down by 100 odd votes.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 23:12 | 2179654 frosty zoom
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cue cheesy sax..

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2177541 Deo vindice
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Top picture looks about right.  His timeline has been moved up a bit.

Timelines are always liable to change. But events still happen.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:56 | 2178143 NumberNone
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Timetables!  Love it when a plan comes together!!

General Wesley Clark on MidEast Timetables..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSNyPS0fXpU  

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:09 | 2177557 Banksters
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Trav and Robo can't comment right now, World of Warlock takes most of their  time. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:30 | 2177684 jesus_quintana
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Only in the US would Obama be described as left wing. And therein lies much of your problem.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:47 | 2177747 RockyRacoon
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You betcha (to channel Ms Palin)!  If we had a nice war, even Billy Kristol and Chuck Krauthammer would sing the praises of Barack Obama.  They would, of course, have great and glorious denigration of each tactical move, but, overall they'd love the general strategy.  Look at how the Libyan excursion was second-guessed in the present tense and pilloried in the past tense.   Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

At the present time all the war mongers like these guys have nothing to talk about on Fox.   I'm sure they love opining about the current crop of candidates of the Republican Party... NOT.   They need some red meat to really shine at what they do best.   And you all know what that is.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:52 | 2177768 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Does that translate into "You bet you"?  She is almost as literate as Obama.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:06 | 2177829 RockyRacoon
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Surely you aren't comparing the literacy of the two?  I see no comparison.  That is not, of course, any reflection on either one's competence nor abilities.   Each of them has his/her own strengths.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:26 | 2177883 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Have you ever watched Obama give a speech without a telepromter?  He is an imbecile.  I have some friends who are very talented acotrs.  They are great story tellers, good looking, and funny.  But they are obtuse when it comes to logic. 

This is Obama.  A good story teller, good looking, and...actually Obama can't tell a joke, but none the less, he is an actor, and yes, on his own he can't construct a well versed sentence.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:55 | 2177976 francis_sawyer
Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:34 | 2178075 LFMayor
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ROFL.   "who be rangin, mutha fuckas?"

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:53 | 2178117 RockyRacoon
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We'll just have to differ on that.   That's fine.   I'm reminded of Dr Paul who appears to be a bumbling old man.   His intellect and deep knowledge makes it nearly impossible to convey any useful information in the regular media sound bite.  That need to dumb-down his rhetoric is what makes him appear less fluid.   I feel that Obama is in a constant struggle to lower his speaking to a level that is comprehensible to the average couch tater.   It's not easy.

The folk who run down the Prez but won't watch the various speeches he gives isn't helpful.  Preconceived notions might become wobbly were one to actually try to watch with an objective eye.   Can't have that, eh?  Romney has done some teleprompter appearances lately but not much is said.   It's part of the landscape in modern media, good or bad.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:56 | 2178145 Rynak
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Only in the US would Obama be described as left wing. And therein lies much of your problem.

(Not) Only in the US would bush be described as republican.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:56 | 2178138 JennaChick
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Markets are showing that an armada of US fleet will throw over everything on their way in Iran, at least the FX market. I don't believe that anybody will attack Iran, there is no proof that they have anything that even resembles a nuke.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:03 | 2178172 Rynak
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That also was the case for iraq.

The difference regarding iran, has nothing to do with WMDs (just as with iraq).... instead, it has to do with geopolitics.... ya want WW3? Then attack iran, and indirectly possibly trigger a nuclear strike... by WESTERN forces.... more specifically, israel.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:58 | 2178376 pkea
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could the elite have decided to let the dominos fall, and start WW3 and blame Iran for the financial collapse? 

 

you got it right.

 it is all iran's fault( roll my eyes)

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 21:13 | 2179324 Zeff
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Answer of this German Muslim scholar when he was asked about terrorism and Islam : He said : Who started the first world war ? Muslims ??
Who started the second world war ? Muslims ??
Who killed about 20 millions of Aborigines in Australia ? Muslims ??
Who sent the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Muslims ??
Who killed more than 100 millions of Indians in North America ? Muslims ??
Who killed more than 50 millions of Indians in south America ? Muslims ??
Who took about 180 millions of African people as slaves and 88% of them died and was thrown in Atlantic ocean ? Muslims ??
No , They weren't Muslims

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:35 | 2177486 SilverDoctors
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It's not looking good folks.  Greece will default in under a month unless The Fed rides to the rescue...could the elite have decided to let the dominos fall, and start WW3 and blame Iran for the financial collapse? 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:38 | 2177501 Clueless Economist
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Who wrote this article?  A damn Commie?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:42 | 2177517 BobPaulson
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Can't tell if this is a joke.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:21 | 2177584 atomic180
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I guess the internet has been turned back on in Iran...a few JDM's will do the trick... best use of my tax dollars in a while...whats the point of having an war machine if you dont use it...its about time we got some payback for the taking of our embasy and hostages...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:49 | 2178112 BigJim
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Shooting down one of their airliners and killing 290 civilians not 'payback' enough for you? Sponsoring Saddam's Iran-Iraq war, leading to 1 million Iranian deaths, not payback enough for you?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:39 | 2178276 atomic180
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Being serious and IMHO: Letting Iran get the BOMB after they have avowed to throughly destroy Isreal (regardless of my position on Isreal) is completely unacceptable and worth tactically neutering Iran... 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:55 | 2178925 prole
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Pls neuter yourself TIA

If someone ever asks you what you do, just say, "I prepare and disseminate the justifications for genocide."

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 20:36 | 2182881 atomic180
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Histoy lesson...Holocaust...Iran atomic bomb...

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 01:52 | 2180118 TheFourthStooge-ing
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atomic180 is just another copy and paste "mission poster". He posts the same crap on every other article about Iran, ignoring that his boilerplate message has been thoroughly discredited.

Lame.

 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:27 | 2178822 Kaiser Doomheiser
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Dear Atomic Douchebag: In 1953 the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and instituted the terror and torture regime of the Shah. (Something about oil.) This coup was orchestrated from within the US embassy. In 1979 the Iranian people overthrew the Shah, and in an attempt to avoid a repeat and another few decades of misery, they occupied the US embassy. You've never heard this in the corporate media because their job is to rile your jingoistic fervor rather than to help you understand the true facts of the situation. In your case they have done a fine job.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 19:18 | 2178951 atomic180
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Thanks for the history lesson but what does this have to do with the destruction of Isreal and the reason for a first strike on Irans nuclear installations...enough talk lets just get it done...

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 01:56 | 2180128 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"mission poster" atomic180 said:

Thanks for the history lesson but what does this have to do with the destruction of Isreal and the reason for a first strike on Irans nuclear installations...enough talk lets just get it done...

Translation: Thanks for the history lesson but what does history have to do with lies? Let's incinerate some Iranian children.

 

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 20:29 | 2182849 atomic180
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In place of Jewish children as Iran has prescribed...your arguments are full of holes and disinformation...simply put Iran is the instigator regardles of past history...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:14 | 2177846 xela2200
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Nobody in this forum understands his humor.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:18 | 2177854 taniquetil
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His profile is a picture of Paul Krugman, so I would say, yes.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:33 | 2177907 Al Huxley
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If you've read his other posts, you'd get the sarcasm. He channels the 'wisdom' of Krugman here. Lots of good sarcasm on ZH gets missed or misunderstood.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:33 | 2178072 Likstane
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i still need the sarc button

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:58 | 2178151 Barbarians_R_Us
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Agreed. The egotism here of those who post sarcastically without providing a clue to it is pretty high. You are not all that.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:43 | 2177520 SilverDoctors
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Eric Sprot stated yesterday that Silver will return to a role as a currency, http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/2012/02/eric-sprott-silver-will-become-currency.html , gold already has. Look at all the currency agreements that have dropped the dollar in favor of gold as payment for oil over the past 2 years.  Gold and silver are the only safe haven currencies from a third world war...can't see people rushing into treasuries when Russia/China are at war with the US.
Time to make sure you are well stocked up on food and basic necesseties as well as gold and silver...war drums are beating loudly now. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:20 | 2177849 xela2200
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Actually, I see people rushing out of treasuries including Russia and China.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:36 | 2177912 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

But, any country would be FOOLISH to use their gold to pay for imports.  Spend your fiat!  Save your gold!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:47 | 2177951 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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When you write like this you sound like a fan of Keynesian economic theory.

;)

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:20 | 2178227 swanpoint
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chinky chink china chinky

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:12 | 2177551 perchprism
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Thank-you.  Exactly what I'm thinking.  I was going to do some background checking to see if this punk-ass was a damn Commie.

-------------------------------------------

Edit:  The purpose of www.alt-market.com apparently, is to prepare for the coming financial reckoning, so I've grudgingly bookmarked their web-site  This Brandon Smith character is young and misguided, but is not a Commie.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:17 | 2177647 HamyWanger
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Well, Brandon Smith DOES look like a commie/marxist in my opinion. It's not the first time he exposes here his crackpot ideas on the economy and his idealistic "return to the earth" project. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:44 | 2177767 kralizec
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Throw dirt on him, there, he's returned to the earth!  Woo hoo!

I bet he was hanging out with these fine upstanding Iranian citizens before scribbling out his shockingly idiotic rant.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/iranian-bombing-suspects-partied-with-prostitutes-at-thai-beach-resort/

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:44 | 2177937 The Alarmist
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Aren't we all, according to Newsweek, socialists now?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:09 | 2177620 American34
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Awww, you again. The man who says "everything is getting better." Yes, the man who has yet to fill us all in on how this is so. On how Americans are seeing a better standard of living each year and not worse. On how the financial divide in America is shrinking rather than increasing and of course on how our once Great Nation is so obviously in a state of improvement rather than decline.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:47 | 2177539 spastic_colon
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BINGO!  We have a winner!

 

Deception by deflection!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:56 | 2178450 pkea
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could the elite have decided to let the dominos fall, and start WW3 and blame Iran for the financial collapse? 

 

you got it right

 

that's the plan.....it's all iran's fault( roll my eyes)

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:35 | 2177487 Snakeeyes
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Obama will NOT attack a Muslim country. Libya was a fluke since he wanted the Muslim Brotherhood to take over.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:39 | 2177504 fonzannoon
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I thought they attacked Libya because the Venezualian guy asked for delivery.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:37 | 2177917 Moe Howard
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They had to get it from somewhere, they never give up their own stash, or that they have held for more than a decade.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:52 | 2177558 frosty zoom
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uh, attacks in yemen, somalia, pakistan are all oblahma's gift to peace.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:17 | 2177641 john39
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the level of gullibility in America never ceases to amaze me.  Bush and now Obomber have been busy systematically destroying Muslim countries and the idiots in the U.S. still think a muslim caliphate is on the verge of taking over.  the stupid, it burns...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:32 | 2177694 therearetoomany...
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Obama attacked Libya to kill Ghaddafy because Ghaddafy wanted to start an African dollar backed by gold. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:47 | 2177947 walküre
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British Intelligence started the Arab Spring. The Windsors and Rothschilds are pulling ALL the strings.

Once a pirate, always a pirate. Doesn't matter that the Queen of Pirates is residing at Buckingham Palace. Rothschilds recognized the Royals lust for power and money early on which is why they could approach them to finance the whole colonialism and imperialism bullshit. The Rothschilds built The City and when they were done, they built Wall Street. Both are dens of thieves and pirates.

The Brits also fucked up Afghanistan. Brits planted the whole idea of Israel colony.

If you still haven't figured out that the country with 1000% debt/GDP is running America, you won't get anything else.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:10 | 2178194 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"If you still haven't figured out that the country with 1000% debt/GDP is running America, you won't get anything else."

I guess that's the 'special relationship' we keep hearing about?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:58 | 2177990 francis_sawyer
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He'll do what he's told to do...

The only 'POWER' he holds is to concede a putt here or there...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:36 | 2177491 Internet Tough Guy
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Wackoism.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:37 | 2177494 Canucklehead
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And you wonder why labor pension funds are taking it up the butt in this fiscal environment.  Cut the crap politics and get back to doing proper risk assessment and management.

Either that or put down the crayon.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:36 | 2177495 Benjamin Glutton
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The American people do not want war with Iran.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:45 | 2177526 machineh
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Who asked their opinion?

The Lobby does, and that's all that counts, apparently.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:47 | 2177745 I Got Worms
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General Smedley Butler says "Hi!"

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf

 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:55 | 2177781 I Got Worms
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Who would junk "War is a Racket"?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:24 | 2177876 Cycle
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Someone who leeches off war dollars - or a useful idiot?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:53 | 2178125 Alasdair
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The junker must really LOVE the troops.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:12 | 2178204 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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The racketeers!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:11 | 2178507 madmax1965
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most likely MDB

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2177542 DogSlime
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The American (or European or UK) "people" and their wishes are irrelevant.

The wishes of the elite and the politicians who serve them are the only wishes that count.

Sick, isn't it?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:15 | 2177634 trilliontroll
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Poll: Support for Israel in US near all-time high

link: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4191514,00.html

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:20 | 2177859 i-dog
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"The wishes of the elite"

Stop calling them "elite" ... They're not! They're filth. Words are important ... they shape your thinking.

These people are criminals who make most of their fortunes though such illegal activities as drug trafficking, sex slave trafficking, illegal immigrant trafficking, arms dealing, war profiteering, insider trading, crony monopoly deals rammed though by bribed government patsies, and "grey market" goods imports.

 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:37 | 2178630 Shigure
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+ 100 i-dog

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:49 | 2177545 frosty zoom
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are you kidding?!?

many, many are convinced that the iranian rowboats will soon bring destruction to america's heartland.

plus, IT'S AN ELECTION YEAR!  

all part of the fun!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:52 | 2177766 RockyRacoon
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Bin Laden was offed a bit too soon.  Even Geo. Bush had better timing!  Or should we give that credit to Mr Cheney?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:05 | 2177822 DaveyJones
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it's his heart medication, it's un unfair advantage

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:43 | 2178291 cranky-old-geezer
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many, many are convinced that the iranian rowboats will soon bring destruction to america's heartland.

I'm more concerned about Russian ICBMs bringing destruction to America's heartland.

...perhaps after China (and Japan) bring destruction to America's financial heartland.

I can't imagine why people have a myopic view that it's just America vs Iran.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 23:09 | 2179637 frosty zoom
Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:55 | 2177561 Grey-Ghost
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They do not?

A full half of this cowardly nation SUPPORTS the attack on yet another defenseless country. (source)

A truly mind-boggling 83% of the boiled frogs (a.k.a. Americans) supports extra judicial MURDER (source) i.e. they approve extra-judicial killing of “suspects” by military drones which translated means the vast majority of Americans condone murder despite their own Christian faith, The Declaration of Independence’s right to Life, the Constitution Human Rights Conventions, due process of law, the presumption of innocence etc.)

And even if they would not support another war - which is an extremely generous hypothesis - what they'd do? Nothing, nada, zilch. They do not even utter a peep of protest when a TSA child molester gropes their children in front of their eyes so why would they protest if their country goes on another killing rampage in yet another far away land? The Big Brother told them they, and their sexually molested children, need to be "protected" and they'd smile, happy for now they love the Big Brother. If He is for the war so are they.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:23 | 2177664 mick_richfield
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Well, that must be true then.

The Powers would never dare to fabricate public opinion polls.

Or caucus results.

Or vote counts.

Or economic statistics.

 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:07 | 2177830 DaveyJones
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or food dangers

or frontline news

or... 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:11 | 2178198 Cathartes Aura
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. . .or persistent jet contrails

or water and soil tests for aluminium

or. . .

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:24 | 2178241 john39
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or systematic low level biological warefare...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:10 | 2178013 Benjamin Glutton
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@GG

It's all about the poll question. Ask those same people the question that I crafted below and I guaranty better results.

 

Would you support an invasion of Iran if it required compulsory service in Iran with a rifle in hand by the 3 people you love most in the world? Before you answer understand that hundreds of thousands will die and very likely a larger regional war will ensue or perhaps WW3 creating the potential for tens of millions to die.

 

War becomes very personal for its participants so to ask random people an impersonal question is nothing more than enabling propaganda based on ignorance.

 

Garbage in garbage out.

 

 

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