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Consequences To Expect If The U.S. Invades Iran

Let’s be honest, quite a few Americans love a good war, especially those Americans who have never had to bear witness to one first hand.  War is the ultimate tribally vicarious experience.  Anyone, even pudgy armchair generals with deep-seated feelings of personal inadequacy, can revel in the victories and actions of armies a half a world away as if they themselves stood on the front lines risking possible annihilation at the hands of dastardly cartoon-land “evil doers”.  They may have never done a single worthwhile thing in their lives, but at least they can bask in the perceived glory of their country’s military might. 

This attitude of swollen ego through proxy is not limited to the “Right” side of the political spectrum as some might expect.  In fact, if the terrifyingly demented presidency of Barack Obama has proven anything so far, it is that elements of the “Left” are just as bloodthirsty as any NeoCon, and just as ready to blindly support the political supremacy of their “side” regardless of any broken promises, abandoned principles, or openly flaunted hypocrisies.  No matter how reasonable or irrefutable the arguments against a particular conflict are, there will ALWAYS be a certain percentage of the populace which ignores all logic and barrels forward to cheerlead violent actions which ultimately only benefit a select and elite few.

They do this, though they rarely openly admit it, because of unbalanced and irrational biases which drive their decision making processes.  In the case of the wars in the Middle East, the common public argument boils down to one of “self defense”.  “They are coming to get us!”  At least, that is what we are constantly told.  And I’m sure that some Americans out there truly believe this.  However, in their heart of hearts, others instead relish the idea of imposing their world views and philosophical systems upon others, even if it means using cluster bombs and predator drones.

Some people simply hate Muslims, for one reason or another.  Some people believe that war will bring with it economic gain.  Some are so afraid of what they do not comprehend that they only feel secure by attacking it.  Some believe that the U.S. citizenry is morally obligated to become entangled with governments like Israel’s, and support them without question as if they are infallible, though they are often just as corrupt as the governments we are directed to despise.  And yet others (for religious purposes), actually clamor for Middle Eastern destruction in the desperate hopes that their version of biblical prophecy will be vindicated.  Ultimately, most Americans who support continued destruction in the Middle East, or anywhere else for that matter, do so out a selfish need for private absolution and elevation, not out of a sincere sense of patriotism, and not because nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, or Iran present a legitimate danger to their safety.

These men and women have invested their very identities into the mechanizations of collective war.  They will not be swayed by evidence or honorable arguments.  Any criticism of the actions of the collective will immediately be treated as a personal attack on their individual character, causing their minds to shut down completely.

As far as Iran is concerned, I am not here to convince the war-drum pounding zombie hoards infesting the mentally impotent sewage soaked wastelands of my country that their rationalizations for raining laser guided death on the third world is a “reprehensible thing”.  Given their impenetrable biases, which I listed above, that would be a complete waste of time. 

I could, indeed, point out how in 1953 the U.S. and Britain overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammad Mossaddegh, because he refused to allow global corporate interests to exploit his country’s oil resources.  I could outline how the forced CIA installation of the Shah in Iran and the creation of his secret police led to the torture and murder of thousands of innocent people.  I could list similar covert activities over the past 100 years or so, in countries all over the world, which have created the now universal disdain the third world has for the U.S. government.  I could even show them a PBS special from 1987 which effectively details this history and warns of what is now going on today.  The kind of mainstream news coverage that networks currently blacklist honest and daring journalists for:

But what about all the nuclear talk being shoved down our throats lately?  Doesn’t this supersede any historical concerns between Iran and the U.S.?  What if the terrorists get their hands on “the bomb”?! 

On this issue, I could easily interject the fact that countries supposedly hostile to the U.S., like North Korea, have long had nuclear capability, and certainly the means to use infiltrators to deliver that technology, yet, we haven’t sent the Western war machine after them.  I would also set the record straight by mentioning that the ONLY country in the world that has used a nuclear weapon against another is the U.S.  I could educate these people on the exposure of secret Israeli nuclear weapons programs since the 1970’s, and the fact that Israel even attempted to illegally sell this technology to Apartheid South Africa:

I could try to clear the air by reminding the uninformed that Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta recently admitted that Iran has no nuclear weapons capability.  And, that this fact was repeated by an Iranian nuclear scientist, Sharhram Amiri, who defected to the U.S. in 2010 with the help of the CIA in the hopes that he could be used to disseminate propaganda on “secret” nuclear weapons programs in his former homeland.  Instead, he only reinforced the assertion that there are no such programs:

With the CIA made to look foolish, they have now decided that Amiri is “peripheral” to the Iranian nuke programs, and is no longer a solid source of information.  I could follow by pointing out how decidedly convenient this is…

What about all the similarities between the lies on WMD’s in Iraq and the rhetoric against Iran today?  What about the disinformation put forward by the IAEA and its cadre of foreign policy yes-men?

What about the fact that back when Iran was run by our own puppet leader, the Shah, an iron-fisted sociopathic dictator, we were more than happy that the country was developing nuclear power plants:

Sorry, but sharing this information with the warmongering percentage of our American culture is futile.  None of this data means a thing to them.  For these people, it’s not about facts; it’s about foggy perception, uncontrolled emotion, and false identity.  Understanding the situation only complicates their pursuit of the next collectivist high; that frenetic freak frenzy that takes hold of a population and makes them swarm like mad bees, or hungry piranha, poisoning and devouring everything in their path.

With this in mind, the only recourse I could possibly think of to wake them up to their philosophical and moral folly is to expose them to very real and debilitating consequences they will face in their everyday lives in the wake of expanded conflict on the part of the U.S.  That is to say, you may hate Iran, you may hate Iranians, you may despise Muslims, you may be driven by a childish need to live vicariously through the exploits of your government, or, you might actually believe the hype that Iran is in league with Al-Qaeda, that they really are after nuclear weapons in a diabolical plot to harm Americans, and you might truly believe that Israel is that “beacon of freedom” in the Middle East and that all its neighbors must be pacified for the sake of democracy.  At bottom, whatever your deepest intentions, and whatever you might think, this is irrelevant in the face of the inevitable costs of war.  If you support such a war, here is how it will affect you when it breaks loose:

Exploding Oil Prices

The U.S. has had a ban on Iranian oil imports since 1979, however, Iran still supplies about 5% of the global oil market.  This might not seem like much, but Iran also has the means and ability to shut down the Straight of Hormuz, which is one of two major petroleum choke points in the world.  Around 17 million barrels of oil per day are shipped through the Straight of Hormuz, or about 20% of all oil traded worldwide.

In 2006, during the last major Iran war scare, experts predicted gasoline price increases in excess of $10 a gallon if Iran was invaded.

This would devastate the U.S. economy, which is already hanging by a thin thread.  Iran has announced this past weekend it will cease all oil shipments to Britain and France in protest of their support of economic sanctions.  This alone is causing oil to spike today.  A global energy crisis will financially decimate average citizens who will have their savings sapped by extreme price inflation, not just in gasoline, but in all goods that require the use of gasoline in their production and shipping.  If you like this idea, then by all means, support an invasion of Iran.

War Domino Effect

In January of 2010, I wrote an article for Neithercorp Press entitled “Will Globalists Trigger Yet Another World War”.  In that article, I warned about the dangers of an invasion of Iran or Syria being used to foment a global conflict, in order to create a crisis large enough to distract the masses away from the international banker created economic collapse:

In 2006, Iran signed a mutual defense pact with its neighbor, Syria, which is also in the middle of its own turmoil and possible NATO intervention.  Syria has strong ties to Russia, and even has a revamped Russian naval base off its coast, a fact rarely mentioned by the mainstream media.  Both Russia and China have made their opposition clear in the case of any Western intervention in Iran or Syria.  An invasion by the U.S. or Israel in these regions could quickly intensify into wider war between major world powers.  If you like the idea of a world war which could eventually put you and your family in direct danger, then by all means, support an invasion of Iran.

Dollar Collapse

Make no mistake, the U.S. dollar is already on the verge of collapse, along with the U.S. economy.  Bilateral trade agreements between BRIC and ASEAN nations are sprouting up everywhere the past couple months, and these agreements are specifically designed to end the dollar’s status as the world reserve currency.  An invasion of Iran will only expedite this process.  If global anger over the resulting chaos in oil prices doesn’t set off a dump of the dollar, the eventual debt obligation incurred through the overt costs of war will.  Ron Paul has always been right; it doesn’t matter whether you think invasion is a good idea or not.  We simply CANNOT afford it.  America is bankrupt.  Our only source of income is our ability to print money from thin air.  Each dollar created to fund new wars brings our currency ever closer to its demise.

This combination of disastrous economic policy and disastrous foreign policy has actually been used before.  Great Britain once sat in the position of economic authority that the U.S. sits in today, and the pound sterling was once considered the world reserve because it was required in the global trade of oil, just as the dollar is now.  However, British intrigues in the Middle East, and more specifically in Egypt, led them into extreme debt.  In the 1940’s and 1950’s, international banks led by America and France threatened to dump British Treasury Bonds in response to their efforts to dominate Middle Eastern oil.  Does any of this sound familiar? 

This ultimately led to considerable devaluation of the pound.  In 1967, the death blow was finally delivered when Prime Minister Harold Wilson artificially reduced the British exchange rate by 14% overnight!  Meaning, in the span of a single evening, British citizens lost 14% of their buying power, and every product they went out to buy the next day would cost them 14% more.

It would be practical to mention that the move to destroy the British pound came right in time for the implementation of new programs for the construction of the European Union, and the Euro, the new supranational currency which would later become the standard.  The EU and the Euro never could have come about while the Pound Sterling remained a world reserve.  Just another amazing coincidence I’m sure, and one that couldn’t possibly have any relation to what is happening to the dollar in 2012, right…? 

So, if you like the idea of losing 14% or more of your buying power overnight, and having that financial loss blamed on the tides of war, rather than on the corporate bankers who actually created the mess, then by all means, support an invasion of Iran.

Civil Liberties Destroyed

Do you like being able to walk down the street without having to suffer through constant pat-downs by low wage brain-dead cretins in blue gloves?  Does it make you feel good to know that if you are ever arrested, whether you are guilty or not, you are guaranteed by law to receive a fair trial by your peers in a civilian court with a lawyer by your side?  Do you enjoy taking a long drive with the family without facing check points, and predator drones constantly overhead every time you put the top down to feel the wind in your hair?  Don’t get too comfortable, folks!  These “luxuries” will soon be a thing of the past, especially as the U.S. financial situation deteriorates and war escalates.  Think of all the new threats the elites in our government can use to rationalize the usurpation of Constitutional protections when war with Iran, or Syria, or Russia, or China, or all of them at once, breaks out.

The term “terrorist” will take on a whole different dynamic.  Great national dangers often facilitate broader definitions of who is and who is not an “enemy of the state”.  Crisis gives wings to legislation like the NDAA.  In this kind of despotic environment, no one, even those citizens who support the state in nearly all of its enterprises, is safe.  Maybe you love the idea of war with Iran, but at the same time, hate the idea of having a TSA goon manhandling your wife or daughter in a train station or on a street corner.  Good luck with that.  Speaking out could be treated as disruption of national security measures.  Off to the gulag with you!

The “greater good” somehow always entails the dissolution of civil liberties for the common man.  Invariably, the establishment in power favors no one, save a highly connected few.  Being pro-establishment does not necessarily protect you from a government given free reign to do whatever it pleases in wartime.  In the end, everyone is fair game.

If this is the kind of America you want to live in, by all means, support an invasion of Iran.

If You Can’t See The Big Picture, You Can’t See A Thing…

The relentless drive for war in the Middle East is not about “spreading democracy”.  It is not about terrorism.  It is not about oil (at least for the most part).  It is not about Israel (at least, not the Israeli people).  It is not even about corporate profiteering by the Military Industrial Complex.  War in the Middle East is about changing the way our country and our world operates, culturally, socially, financially, and politically.  War opens doors to social re-engineering that could never be accomplished otherwise.  War creates fear, panic, rage, and allows dystopian fallacies to reign supreme.  War, unjust and dishonorable war, makes countries weak, and ripe for violent change. 

Iran is not a threat to our way of life, and never has been.  But, war in Iran could easily upset the core of our entire country, and leave us wayward strangers in the land we were born.

While much of the rhetoric of preemptive invasion that America has been awash in these past few months is carefully crafted and disseminated by government entities whose intentions are far from honest, its effectiveness is mute without the helping hand of a thoughtless subsection of the public.  Every decade or so, a new generation of idiot spawn comes of age to be willingly sacrificed on the chopping block of globalist conquest.  This new decade brings with it the promise of not just more of the same, but perhaps the most costly tithe to the gods of war ever made in our country’s history.  This is not our fight.  This is a fight we are being conned into undertaking for the profit of others, and thus, it is a fight we cannot win.  Perhaps when the blind mobs of this nation feel the abrupt sting of their foolishness in their narrow day-to-day existence, they will finally understand…



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Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:15 | 2178211 Cathartes Aura
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I like your question, and would add a mandatory few paragraphs on the dangers of depleted uranium to everyone who is exposed to it on "the battlefield" - with a pop quiz to make sure it. . . sinks in.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:16 | 2178537 cranky-old-geezer
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They do not even utter a peep of protest when a TSA child molester gropes their children in front of their eyes ...

This might be the most damning indictment of the American sheeple.  Allowing their wives and children to be sexually molested at airports, and doing nothing about it.

No, there won't be a revolution in America. No fucking way.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:11 | 2177624 Will To Live
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What would Ron Paul do?  Maybe Mr. Obama should ask him.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2177500 HamyWanger
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"In fact, if the terrifyingly demented presidency of Barack Obama has proven anything so far, it is that elements of the “Left” are just as bloodthirsty as any NeoCon"

Well, historically, at least in the old continent, the Left was more patriotic and military than the Right. Compulsory conscription and armed service for young men was notably created by the Left. The Right tended to view war as a professional affair reserved to the military aristocracy.

That's why I, personally, feel leftist before feeling neoconservative, though I am both -- relatively speaking. I think everybody needs to go to the frontline during a war, not simply the elite.

For the coming intervention in Iran, I personally favour a "call to arms", or "general mobilization", on the French or British model during WWI and WWII. Everybody fights, soldier or not, young or not, adapted or not. It will give, for once, libertarian computer nerds a chance to prove their value and their commitment to their country.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:49 | 2177544 machineh
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I think neocons need to go to the frontline during a war, while the rest of us send our kids to medical and law school, and feast off the war profits.

We'll send you a care package in Natanz. Now MARCH!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:00 | 2177586 HamyWanger
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"while the rest of us send our kids to medical and law school, and feast off the war profits."

Hiding while your fellow Americans are fighting? Are you sure you're not a damn COWARD?

In my time, deserters and chickenshits like you had indeed a good time... eating mud in their mass graves after the execution by firing squad.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:05 | 2177600 Careless Whisper
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and mister newt, mister mitt, and mister rick, served their country in which branch of the militray?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:30 | 2177682 therearetoomany...
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I think it was the same branch that Clinton and Obama served in.


This isn't about left and right.  This about elites vs us.  Period.  Time to wake're late



Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:06 | 2177827 weinerdog43
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Let's not forget about Poppy getting GWB a sweet gig in the Air Nat'l Guard. 

Let's also drop the lapel pin patriotism.  The fact that someone was in the military does not confer superior citizenship.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:44 | 2177942 Careless Whisper
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so on the one hand there is a man with a wife and kids and he gets drafted during vietnam - and he serves. on the other hand there's a military service evader because of some bs. you think those guys are equal in honor and experience? i don't.


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:22 | 2178233 Cathartes Aura
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the military draft was abolished in 1973, so everyone serving after did/does it of their own choice.

THIS is a fact that needs to be highlighted - along with who exactly these volunteers serve.

we need to start telling the truth, save some lives on ALL sides.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:41 | 2178096 goldfish1
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I like "traitorous bastards" rather than "elites".

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:29 | 2178258 Goatboy
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Why not "people who own the world"?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:56 | 2177977 Jack Burton
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Don't forget their idol and god figure Ronald Reagan!  Where was he in WWII? My old man took his place and fought in North Africa, Italy and later in France.

That old bastard was chief draft dodger. So was Bush junior, though his old man had an honorable record as a navy carrier pilot in the Pacific.

Neo-cons send the sons of the poor and patriotic to do the fighting.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:32 | 2178069 Piranhanoia
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Kennedy and Bush,  the fathers of the first two presidents, were both nazi sympathizers,  no question.  They provided monetary and material support to the regime.  So when the nation found out they were in the Bund,  they would be strung up.  So they sent their children to war to prove how upright they were.  Bush I was inside government so could pull his little idiot boy out of any combat situation and put him in the natural guard.

Funny how we still can't get any records of his actual service isn't it?   Just what did he do that caused the entire government to hide it from the world?


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:38 | 2177703 longdong silver
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Hammy, based upon the original blog entry and context of this thread your post is ass inighn


You sir are a baffoon.


And I slap you with my white glove.

I will meet you any time behind the 7-11 and give you a shit kicking you will never forget.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:42 | 2177726 Sunshine n Lollipops
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Hamy, do tell us where and when you fought. Your gung-ho rhetoric reminds me of an eccentric friend of mine who used to boast grimly about his Vietnam experience, always forgetting to mention one small detail: he was never there.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:46 | 2177946 The Alarmist
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You know, Wanger, under SOPA's next version, you could find yourself being renditioned for trademark infringement.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:29 | 2177890 Chupacabra-322
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@ machineh

Neo-cons love war and torture, increased regulations, tyranny, and taxes; with our taxes going to the plutocrats of the private banking community. They support governmental destruction of our environment, under the pretense of protecting it. They, also, overtly support corporatism (fascism for oligarchs) and any other measures supported by the republican party that enrich the private International Monetary/Banking Cartel at the expense of the American people.


Neo-libs love war and torture, increased regulations, tyranny, and taxes; with our taxes going to the plutocrats of the private banking community. They support governmental destruction of our environment, under the pretense of protecting it. They, also, covertly support corporatism (socialism for oligarchs) and any other measures supported by the democratic party that enrich the private International Monetary/Banking Cartel at the expense of the American people.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:57 | 2177987 Jack Burton
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Indeed they do!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:41 | 2177723 falak pema
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Commitment to What? Nobody is attacking USA.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:48 | 2177954 The Alarmist
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You're just on the wrong drugs ... The GWOT is being fought by the same people fighting the war on drugs, so they have access to the good stuff, and they tell us there are threats everywhere.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:40 | 2177505 _Alekhine_
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That's because the US only has a party of Social Democrats, albeit right wing and left wing.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:04 | 2178178 Alasdair
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Social Democrats?  I think you meant Corporatists?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:40 | 2177506 TooBearish
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No way - not this year - wouldnt be prudent.....

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:41 | 2177509 BobPaulson
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Much of this most people cynically expect but still hope won't happen, in spite of all the signals pointing in this direction. The question is what does the U.S. do if it wages a "successful" war on Iran. I mean, what is the best case scenario for them. With Iraq they got a lot of reconstruction contracts paid by oil but it hasn't really resulted in an increase in U.S. hegemony. From the exterior, it looks like for even the most cynical means, it didn't achieve much.

Somehow I sense this is a platform from which to launch a new currency regime, but apart from distraction, I'm not sure how the mechanics of being in a war assist in founding a new currency unit.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:34 | 2177908 i-dog
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At a cost to the taxpayer of a few more trillions to blow up a few ragheads? (Of course, the Persians don't adorn their heads with dishcloths and fanbelts, but J6P doesn't know that).

Hint: The new currency depends on old currencies becoming worthless.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:41 | 2177928 Al Huxley
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I wonder how Halliburton's done off the Iraq war. Serious question, and probably, for the guys who planned and started the whole affair the only one that matters.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:52 | 2177960 falak pema
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In the same vein : What happened to the 200 billion of the q-daffy libya sovereign fund?

In addition, what part of current Libyan oil revenues will be paid as "blood money" debt to West to get rid of the despot, by the current lot?

Libya stays a closed shop, not democracy. Oil/oil revenues is the blood of empire games today.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:29 | 2178256 Cathartes Aura
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here's an old link from 2005,

WASHINGTON, July 25 ( -- Halliburton announced on Friday that its KBR division, responsible for carrying out Pentagon contracts, experienced a 284 percent increase in operating profits during the second quarter of this year.

The increase in profits was primarily due to the Pentagon's payment of "award fees" for what military officials call "good" or "very good" work done by KBR in the Middle East for America's taxpayers and the troops.

of course, that's just what's on the books, and 6 years out of date - but I'm sure you get the picture.  feel the burn.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:45 | 2178894 Cadavre
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In a scene from Conan the Barbarian, Conan asks the high priest of the snake cult about the "riddle of steel". The Snake Cult Preacher goes, "ahhh  . you know about the riddle of steel boy" and suggests, "that flesh is more powerful than steel".

Product idea: "Instant water, just add water".

Economic idea: "instant wealth, just print money"

What we see now is the "last hurray scare up" in prices - when value no longer carries markets, the free market becomes a rigged market carried by price. Price carried markets are a PONZI underlain by central bank counterfeiting. Returns are measured as higher counts of diluted valueless sovereigns . This can go on only so long before the commons realize their sovereigns are fake - and that all this bullshit about supply and demand pushing prices to the point where credit is required just to subsist requires pitchfork justice- then things get messy - real messy.

There will not be an attack on Iran.

We can ignore reality but we cannot ignore its consequences,

And, the title of the article should be past tense - we have already attacked and we have already lost the USury's war with Iran. Until 1979, Iran was under lethal US CIA occupation. After 1979, the War Usury sucked more of the commons treasure, thanks to fat ongoing no bid contracts to its fuel ordinance and security logistics and manufacturing subsidiaries, and siphoning off sovereign assets to load up the gulf with cold war genocide machines and 100s of military outposts and bases in states surrounding Iran.

The War Usury's hope is for what could be storied as a Civil War in Iran by any means possible before the PONZI fraud completely collapses. But the game is to sell off US assets - parks - roads - to buyers that have real money when the USD goes to shit. JPL NASA next?

Our problem - we want to be citizens of a banana republic owned by the IMF and whoever owns the IMF after the great collapse. We want to to be "pickers" just like those guys we used to see on TV when we had TVs and make a penny on a dime at our family flea market both or a roadside tent. We yearn for soylent green monkey bars and sharing recipes for preparing road kill with the Mulligan family under the bridge next to us.

Iran and another episode of Prothlesizing for Dr Paul.

Engage mom and pop shops to service what can't be done in house (we will need to be masters of more than keyboard or trading strategy skills in near future). One shop is the shop of the guy that does wheel alignment. The results of the Nevada primary were being reported by CNN on the grainy "waiting room / sales counter" TV. It was the segment on the "chosen" night caucus set up by the Gangreenich's super pac moneybag man Adelson where Dr. Paul got 180 votes and everybody else got less than 100 - the one that they counted live on CNN - u-no - the one that was then pulled from the grand tabulation because, mysteriously and despite and voice count of votes - the one where it is alleged that more voted than were on the rolls.

So I said to him - "Ya know, Paul could win." His customer merchant etiquette reigned him for a moment, His reply was "He was not a Ron Paul Supporter". I asked why not. He said Paul's foreign policy bothered him. I suggested we're spending money we don't have to maintain foreign policy. He said, and this is where I got him to think about what he said, he said, :if we didn't surround them and engage them, they'd be attacking us like 'Hitler',

I said whoa a minute - there's only one country behaving as what we were taught as Hitler's behavior and it's not the bad guys they sell us on CNN. For a flash I knew he knew.  Supporting Paul to some is unpatriotic because they think patriotism is a measure of support for foreign intervention, Mentioned that Active military also support Dr. Paul, and ask if he was a veteran.

Paid the bill and left suggesting the use of an information resource other than cable news.

Notions of reality are one thing - and unlike currency - it's consequences cannot be printed . Shit happens and sometimes there is nothing all the king's men and all the king's horses can do to put humpty dumpty back together again. An Epochal Reset, my friends, for better or worse, is in the works - the machines running the matrix are in the first throes of a cluster fuck meltdown.

We have to decide how and who is best suited to mitigate the collapse. The golden rule is golden, indeed!

Gods speed.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:42 | 2177518 alien-IQ
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All this shit for Israel. It's fucking shameful.

There will be a very very heavy price to pay for many people. in the end, it will be Israel that will lose everything. And rightfully so.

While I realize that many Jews do not agree with the policies of Israel, they must realize that they will suffer consequences by proxy. It will be impossible to separate the good from the bad so all will be lumped together and loathed as one.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:08 | 2177613 linrom
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Unfortuantely most don't realize that it's Iran that's driving this 'war pich' on purpose.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:26 | 2177672 therearetoomany...
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You could sub US and Americans for Jews and Israel...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:58 | 2177991 Jack Burton
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One in the same at this point, no?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:45 | 2177734 knightowl77
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I do not support a US attack on Iran. I do support Israel should they feel the need. I also support the US suppplying weapons and Intel to Israel should they require it....

Just like I would not support any country telling the US what we can or cannot do, I do not support us telling any other country what they can or cannot do...We need to stop interefering with all nations, while standing by our allies....

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:55 | 2177784 MrTown3
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Define ally...and don't tell me bloodsucking racist welfare queen is acceptable 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:24 | 2177878 FrankThinkTank
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the virulently dogmatic stupidity is funny. 

even more funny are the superlatives used by the progressive libtards posing as libertarians.  

shit's fucked. but a return to paranoid Hitler logic is not the answer.

eat it up sheep. 


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:43 | 2178420 knightowl77
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Canada, UK, Israel, Germany, France, Italy, Australia,I would describe as allies..Possibly Japan, South Korea...


and racist blooodsucking welfare queens are not acceptable

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:17 | 2178781 MrTown3
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Mon, 02/20/2012 - 19:15 | 2178984 Cadavre
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All this shit for Israel. It's fucking shameful.

There will be a very very heavy price to pay for many people. in the end, it will be Israel that will lose everything. And rightfully so.

You're so provincial. For your survival's sake, get over it!

Israel, as is the US, is a "bank colony", a banana republic, owned by the War Usury, and manage by proxy through a theater called governemt.

THe CIA Massad MI6 - all merged under the Usury's master re-org plan a long time ago. The political control of our CIA has allowed it to be turned into something that probably makes our rank and file employees working for the "company" just upset as most of us are. 

The best hope we have, other than an advocate of the golden rule with executive pen in hand, to mitigate the approaching unstoppable would action from those rank and file that work inside our uniformed civil services.

What is going on, goes on. despite both Israeli and American commons. Forget text book geo-polit-ography - look at the world as a collection of banking colonies - the problem is not the formal legal structure of a sovereign or the sovereign's commons - the sovereign is ruse and governments are clerical teams that facilitate the unlawful edicts dictated by the Unholy Houses of the War Usury Empire.


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:43 | 2177519 10mm
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"Perhaps when the blind mobs of this nation feel the abrupt sting of their foolishness in their narrow day-to-day existence,they will finally understand".Guess what,it will be to late even if there was a true awakeing by the masses.Until the day i walk down the street to a bar,cafe,work place,event etc and the meaningless drivel of bullshit conversations of sports,gossip,and just plain fucking garbage,i will surely drop on the spot.Ain't gonna happen.Im following the "Carlin Advise".Grab a chair,sit back,crack a cold one and watch em fuck it up.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:43 | 2177524 nmewn
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It is good that we, here, have the luxury to be this introspective. Now, if it were that way everywhere...wouldn't that be sumpin ;-)

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:36 | 2177690 falak pema
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Being introspective about our T-REX instincts, is a luxury that only an Empire can afford, or those who believe they are uber-alles members of that uber-alles construct.

That cuts out most of humanity from this game, as they are just into sheer survival as individuals. Its getting more and more that way now in first world, right in front of our eyes. That is the game changer of real events. Its the march of events that change our perception of "status quo", however much we may not want it to change. One day you wake up and you realize : "its over our empire status!". It happened to Germany, Japan & italy, then to Brittain and France...then to USSR...

Reality bitchezz!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:06 | 2177826 nmewn
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I believe you're right to a certain degree.

The other point, in my first vague comment, is world leaders around the globe have the time and opportunity for this sort of navel gazing self evaluation. Empire or not.

None of this happens in a vacuum.

Maybe it would be better that these same "leaders" who foment unrest within their populations and others meet each other on the field of battle to settle the matter like leaders should...leading by example as it were ;-)

Ah well, we'll not settle this one here, I'm off to do battle with the fish...rods & reels at ten

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:48 | 2177948 falak pema
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now there you have a project like ...and a river runs through it...good move, good film! Happy hunting.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:54 | 2178920 nmewn
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It was good falak.

It was in fact a river close by. It was quiet, the sun was warm on my face with a cool breeze coming down stream and the water was so clear I could see the bottom. I watched a hawk soaring overhead and an egret wading in the shallows across the way. 

Squire caught one, myself none.

But it was a very good day ;-)

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:45 | 2177527 frosty zoom
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fan meet excrement

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:45 | 2177528 lolmao500
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China invades Taiwan. China backs North Korea into invading South Korea and annexs the whole peninsula.

Russia invades Georgia and annexs it.

Pakistan gives nukes to Saudi Arabia and start arming even more Taliban fighters and starts sending lots of weapons into Iran.

Shall be fun.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:02 | 2177589 frosty zoom
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 "and starts sending lots of weapons into Iran."

ooh!  just like ronnie!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:46 | 2177944 Whoa Dammit
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All China has to do is stop shipping to Walmart. Game over. The US would be destroyed from within as the revolting people of Walmart crush and burn everything.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:22 | 2178234 swanpoint
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100 nest eggs will fix chink town

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:06 | 2178010 francis_sawyer
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You obviously played too much RISK when u were a kid...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:28 | 2178251 HungrySeagull
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Risk only became a self inflicting hurtful experience when you have to reroll each and every one of the 5000 armies against each other on a strip of land known as the Siam. It takes hours.

I recall another game where one of my opponets showed a absolutely... caveman type attitude is FU, and you too and so forth. We piled on him and it took weeks to subdue and defeat this person.

But even then we could tell we did not break his spirit or mind.

Now CHESS... there is a game. Coffee Shop Chess in the night. It sorts out who is good and who is too slow to plan ahead. I usually try a Fools Mate in game one as a test. If anyone knows anything about Chess it won't happen.

Anyway here we are.

If Iran did close the waters we can kick it in. It will hurt in the morning when we lose a Carrier or two. (Sorry...) but we will get it open.

Now to actually INVADE Iran? as in "Going downtown" Iraq 2003 style? I don't think we have enough in Service without a Draft to make it happen.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:46 | 2177531 rigorous
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The U.S. is not going to invade Iran.  It may, from the air, attack nuclear facilities.  If Iran gets the bomb then Turkey and Saudi Arabia will have to nuke up.

Nice history lesson but history isn't repeating itself.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:35 | 2178016 francis_sawyer
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This "iran nuke" smokescreen is tiresome...

Iran could have purchased a turn key nuke solution on the black market anytime it wanted for the past 20 years...

Maybe it did (in fact)... Now wouldn't that be a bowl of 'tainted' cream of lobster soup?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:46 | 2177534 Haloween1
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Don't get so worked up.  This is just our Prez showing that he can sabre rattle along with the best of 'em.  Don't want to go into the election season having to counter accusations of being soft on defense, you know.  Especially after having agreed to cut defense in order to get his debt limit raised.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2177537 Samsonov
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"Let’s be honest, quite a few Americans love a good war.."

That's as far as I needed to read.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:57 | 2177574 lolmao500
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Because it's true.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:29 | 2177679 falak pema
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but its not a argument. A lot of americans want to kill their mothers-in-law...But, nobody says lets declare war on THAT species.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:53 | 2177775 juangrande
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This is why we need football year round!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:42 | 2177934 aheady
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Sarcastically delicious.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:10 | 2178017 francis_sawyer
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beisbol been berry berry good to me...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:49 | 2177543 Sudden Debt
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Americans are so scared of anything that they constantly feel the need to bomb the monster under the bed.

and for the oil dollars of course... but money is never the motivator... never.... that would just be evil...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:50 | 2177547 yabyum
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Make sure Hannity and all the rest of the fox-cons (and their kids) go first. If the cons are on the front lines we will have peace in our time.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:57 | 2177577 Samsonov
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Good point, since we all know there's never been a war when the libs have been in power.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:10 | 2177623 nmewn
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Ole Weasly Clark almost got a real shit storm started didn't he?

"I'm not going to start the third world war for you," General Sir Mike Jackson, commander of the international KFOR peacekeeping force, is reported to have told Gen. Clark when he refused to accept an order to send assault troops to prevent Russian troops from taking over the airfield of Kosovo's provincial capital."

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:59 | 2177799 DaveyJones
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since both pretend to be different clubs are equally guilty of all the other disgusting things why would war be any different.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 22:14 | 2179493 prole
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Make sure Hannity and all the rest of the fox-cons (and their kids) go first. If the cons are on the front lines we will have peace in our time. (A worthy comment my liege)


Samsonov's:  ""Good point, since we all know there's never been a war when the libs have been in power.""

That's a triple logic/sarcasm fail, and the ZH SHeople up arrow the comment?

The only thing "we know" is that there hasn't been a war since Euro-Suicide II when the libs and the cons (which are the same thing) have allowed their own children within a million miles distance from a uniform.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:04 | 2177599 Dr. Engali
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You are just as much a part of the problem as them if you see this as a one sided issue.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:44 | 2177732 Sophist Economicus
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Just like the other 'cons' -- you know:


Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson....Oh wait -- THOSE wars were ok -- waged by fucking liberals...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:50 | 2177548 loveyajimbo
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Guy makes lots of great points... but I have a "selfish need for private absolution and elevation", so I still think he is a royal ASSHOLE...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:51 | 2177550 connda
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Cue Drowning Pool...

Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floorrrrrrr

One!  Welcome to WW3.
Two!  Welcome to WW3.
Three!  Welcome to WW3.
Four!  Welcome to a World War!

One, something's got to give
Two, something's got to give
Three, something's got to give

I'm thinking this is gonna end badly...

Long: WTI / Brent

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:51 | 2177555 pops
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It's the us vs. them football mentality and it covers just about every struggle from warfare to politics.  Must be the fluoride.

I don't watch football, and when I go to work on Monday I ask "How did the football game turn out?"

If the Cowboys won, the answer is "WE won."

If the Cowboys lost, the answer is "THEY lost."

When the answer is "WE won" I ask what position they play and get the most exasperated looks in return.  Yep....must be the fluoride.


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:12 | 2178021 francis_sawyer
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Nice story... But jeez, looks like it sucks all around...

It's time to embrace the horror of the bread & circuses...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:54 | 2177568 UTICA CLUB XX PURE

I don't want this stupid war. I don't want this stupid war. I don't want this stupid war.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:23 | 2177662 pods
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Shhhh, drink 3 glasses of water and go pick up your complimentary tickets to the hit new movie Act of Valor.

Starring active duty SEALS to help get you into the mood for what is coming.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:55 | 2177783 putaipan
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trailers? trailers? .... you can't handle the trailers !!!

nazis from outer space bitches!

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:29 | 2178057 francis_sawyer
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It's funny you should mention that...

Every year I do a (MOSTLY SARDONIC) prediction page on most of the major categories for Oscars each year (best picture, actor, actress, supporting roles, & director)...



I'm 11 for 12 (predictions) in pre-publishing them on blogs (& something like 33 out of 36 in the past 6 years)...

It's because I have a FORMULA...

I do an elaborate 'write-up' as to how & why the formula applies each year... To simplify (for those who don't want to link)... 'Nazi & Holocaust' based movies (however loosely based), are ALWAYS featured...

Spielberg & Co. always win lots of trophies...


I'm finalizing my predictions this week (because the Oscars are this Sunday)... This year (I found) there were a dearth of HOLOCAUST based movies... Last year I JOKED that the only ways left to tell the holocaust would be to have some homosexual negro jew cowboys ride horses into Auschwitz on horses & free all the prisoners...

Alas ~ I didn't know that "IRON SKY" was in the works...

OK so I was wrong... It WON'T be homosexual negro jew cowboys riding horses into Auschwitz... INSTEAD... The Nazi's have been hiding (all along) in sub-lunar bases on the dark side of the moon...

Fuck me for not having considered that angle! (Krugman had it right all along bitchez)!


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 22:22 | 2179510 prole
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""Last year I JOKED that the only ways left to tell the holocaust would be to have some homosexual negro jew cowboys ride horses into Auschwitz on horses & free all the prisoners...""

You obviously haven't seen "Inglourious Basterds"

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:56 | 2177571 Fix It Again Timmy
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Guess what movie is coming out soon?  Yes, it is!  Coincidence or planned? HOO-AH!

And look what Taibbi has to say:

Hello, Hello, Is there any intelligent life in the northern hemisphere?


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:12 | 2177627 Careless Whisper
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actually, that movie looks kinda cool. it's just hollywood make believe. like rambo. not real.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:50 | 2178310 Cathartes Aura
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yah, just like the whole "nationstate" idea - make believe, and kinda cool to the rambo types.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 17:00 | 2178470 General Decline
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Wait a minute....You have got to be kidding me! I thought Rambo was a docu-drama based on Ronald Reagan's life. Is nothing sacred???

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:53 | 2177967 Al Huxley
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Great, recruitment videos. Propaganda machine's in full gear, we're all well and truly fucked.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 11:24 | 2180849 DaveyJones
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"based on actual seal missions" honestly reported by their employer

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:57 | 2177575 fuu
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Is that nuclear energy ad with the picture of the Shah from Playboy? Looks like their font.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:57 | 2177576 Dreadker
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"Let’s be honest, quite a few Americans love a good war, especially those Americans who have never had to bear witness to one first hand."


So fucking true you don't even need to read the rest of this awesome article.... I'd love to drop half these warmongers into Sadr city back in the surge and see how quickly they change their minds...  Or helmand province... or any of the other living hells that we're hell bent on pursuing...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:23 | 2177872 Sunshine n Lollipops
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Warmongers are psychos. I don't think their minds can be changed.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:59 | 2178325 Dreadker
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You'd be amazed what a warzone can do to someones perspective on life... And I think most of the warmongers would either charge at the enemy, resulting in death, or shoot themselves... resulting in death...


Basically a win win for the rest of us lol

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:01 | 2177579 lolmao500
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Whoever warmonger should be conscripted for the military right then and there. It should be in the constitution.

Amendment 28 : If anyone shall warmonger against any organization or country, he shall be conscripted in the armed forces right then and there, regardless of age, sex or occupation.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:03 | 2177817 Samsonov
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Does that include the person who sends illegal drone-bombing assasination raids into allied counties, such as, say, Pakistan?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:19 | 2177848 weinerdog43
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How about those people who launched an unprovoked war against a country killing hundreds of thousands?  And what about the thousands of mercenaries still there enforcing the 'rule of law'? 

Oh, that's right.  They're still walking around, smirking.  


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:24 | 2177867 Samsonov
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You're right...those congressmen who declared that war and sent those soldiers are still there smirking.

What's that?  You didn't know congress declared war on Iraq?  You didn't know the UN sanctioned the invasion?  That explains a lot.  Grow up.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 22:26 | 2179523 prole
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Why are you getting up-arrowed? Your posts are stupid, you appear to be nothing but a disrupter except for inventing a new kind of broken-logic straw man argument sarcasm.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:52 | 2178439 knightowl77
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or say Libya , or Yemen or Somalia, or now as I hear Syria?


Are you talking about our Nobel Peace Prize winning Prez???

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 11:59 | 2177582 gnomon
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Iran has a Mahdi fixation.  They are cruisin' for a bruisin'.  And they will get it. 

This festering boil must be lanced.  And when it is lanced things will spin out of control, (which is our only hope, albeit slim, of escaping the death grip of the banksters and associated politicos).  


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:04 | 2177596 GeneMarchbanks
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Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:06 | 2177602 frosty zoom
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maybe if you donate enough to the republicrats coffers they will let you "personally" fly a drone mission to KILL, KILL KILLLLL! some towelheads.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:53 | 2178446 knightowl77
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mmmmmmmmmm I think Obummer is in charge of the drones right now....he is certainly using enough of them around the world...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:25 | 2177668 john39
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let me see if I understand your logic.  Iran must get destroyed because it has the gaul to believe in a religious prophesy that the Mahdi and Jesus will return to fight the antichrist (banker system)...  and in the process of the banker anti-christ system destroying Iran, something goes wrong and both Iran and the banker cabal are destroyed....     that about right?  is it too much cognative dissonance for you to at least consider whether the Iranian position opposing the banker cabal "might" be the right side of this situation?   seems like you want the same end, just saying.   don't believe what you read in western media about the Mahdi, its mostly zionist misinformation.   no different than the Iranian version of the book of revelation, yet somehow Christians are convinced that Islam is the religion of the devil.   i wonder who would want things viewed that way...

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:25 | 2177670 falak pema
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U be a man with the same inclination as the Iran you talk about. So you look in the mirror and you want to go to war with yourself; only this time the image is dressed up as an Iranian Ayatollah/MAhdi lover. 

Go see Taxi driver, the film: then you'll know why you want to fight the Mahdi lover; its you in disguise. You'd have a great career in Hollywood.

What the banksta death grip has to do with your Mahdi death wish is beyond me; maybe you want two roles in two different Hollywood movies. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:39 | 2177715 yabyum
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Great!! You go and take lil' ricky santorum with you. We will hang back and protect the kids.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:38 | 2178086 Piranhanoia
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a volunteer.  You have a good time now, okay?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:02 | 2177591 Sudden Debt
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Everybody thinks war is cool because it looks cool in the movies.

untill a family member gets his/her head blown off

untill a family member gets gangbanged by a bunch of funny soldiers

untill a family member gets blown to pieces by some rogue bomb

untill a family member shoots his brains out after a tour

untill a family member comes back without his legs... arms... or half a face

If you like it so much.... enlist.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:18 | 2177855 DaveyJones
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nice list. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:35 | 2178080 yabyum
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How long will it take before the first American is killed by a weapon or weapon system given to Iran by the uber patriot Ollie North? There is a bastard who should be hung by his balls.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 22:33 | 2179537 prole
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To answer your question: If we never attack them, a hundred bazillion years.

Funny how you dont' seem to be at all bothered by whatever "bastard traitor" gave the Isreilites the weapons they used to kill 35 American Sailors.

No problem with him have you? But Ollie north, whose weapons have killed -ZERO- Americans, him you really really loathe huh?

Whose side are you on?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:57 | 2178463 knightowl77
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I enlisted....I think all of those of which you speak DID enlist, some repeatedly...quit hiding under your bed

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:03 | 2177595 Sandmann
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This is amusing but the US is not going to invade Iran. There are 74 million Iranians and the Us made a mess of invading and occupying 32 million Iraqis. Occupying forces have to provide Government, Food and Legal Structures for occupied territories under Geneva Conventions - the record is not good.


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:27 | 2177674 GeneMarchbanks
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While I hope you are correct I can't imagine an entirely peaceful time ahead of us. Somebody doing something stupid is all it'll take.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:55 | 2177974 The Alarmist
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I've met a few Iranians who confided that a large number of Iranians would have welcomed a US invasion to depose the Mullahs, but have changed their thinking since seeing how badly the US ran the after-game in Iraq. Opportunity is missed ... Time to move on to more fertile opportunities, unless, of course, success is not what is really wanted.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:24 | 2178812 DaveyJones
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and given our recent hisotry of wise choices in that area, we are sure to be pratical, lawfull, and careful with lives and resource

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:03 | 2177597 Payne
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those who have served in the Military are aware that the use of force never provides a certain outcome other than death and destruction for someone.  I am not clear who going to war with Iran serves.  Iraq is still a mess.  Afganistan we are losing.  A war with Iran will result in the loss of at least one of our carriers if not 2.  Too many area to have mines.  The soviets pioneered a subsurface torpoedo mine that sits on the bottom and when it is acoustically is activated release a torpoedo.  There will be plenty of new weapons being tested by Iran as a proxy for Russia and China weapons developers.  Try asking a marine who has done 5 rotations to Afganistan and Iraq how excited they are about the prospects of Iran.  You are going to need a draft for sure.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:26 | 2178817 DaveyJones
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thank you for your valuable input

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:06 | 2177604 A Lunatic
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You can fool all of the Sheeple all of the time, for everyone else, there is the Terrorist label.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:06 | 2177606 Victor Berry
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The author didn't mention the U.S. military backing of the United Fruit Company in Latin America.  How were we supposed to eat more healthy fruits and vegetables if we did't have slave labor picking produce for us?  Nowadays, we outsource military force to the Chinese government in order to provide us our produce (apple products) even more cheaply.   

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:02 | 2178001 The Alarmist
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Oh come on now ... Everyone knows that Jacabo Arbenz had to go because his uniform was not as sharp as that of his predecessor Jorge Ubico. The cool uniform is also the reason why it was ok for the Shah to pursue nuclear power. It's why our own top brass are starting to look like generalissimos of various LatAm "republics."

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:08 | 2177611 stiler
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I don't think the US is stupid enough to invade Iran, because Iran brings with it Russia and China. Let me make one thing pppperfectly clear, the Scriptures say that the OWG follows on the heels of east-west balance of power and there is a battle, but it is Russia along with Iran (and others) who invade Israel, ending the world as we know it. (When they invade, they are crushed beyond recognition, a OWG remains) This is not precluding a US/Israel war with Iran. Then begins the chastisement of Israel by the LORD for their good using ALL the gentile nations (and the punishment by the LORD of all the gentlie nations who mess with the apple of His eye, lest you boast).

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:24 | 2177645 therearetoomany...
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We only need to look at our president to see how supremely stupid our country is.  


Nothing personal toward you. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:07 | 2177831 stiler
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thank you and good luck w/ your new business.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:00 | 2178327 Cathartes Aura
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changing the figurehead is not going to make amrka look any smarter to the rest of the world.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 08:13 | 2180311 therearetoomany...
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selecting Ron Paul WOULD make america look smarter.  

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:32 | 2177691 putaipan
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as long as we're gettin' all escathalogical here -i was gonna offer you

 another 'scriptural' take on the situation -,  but sorry,

looks like he's been removed from the web. sorry. must have happenned

 in the last week, or less . not a good sign.  i dunno maybe try

you tube. he's fascinating. nice koranic take on the endtimes and

remarkabley close to a biblical perspective if you heart's in the right

 place. anyhoo- interesting take of his- we don't have to worry about

iran until after isreal goes into egypt.  go figure !?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:31 | 2178067 zapdude
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I disagree that your version of the events in the Revelation are 'perfectly clear' in Scriptures. 

I've been studying it for years now and numerous, well-reasoned interpretations abound. 

There's not even consensus on if or when the Rapture of the Church takes place.

Two things I am certain of from my study so far are that:

  1. God will ultimately save true Israel, but only AFTER she has been decimated for her many centuries of sin, rebellion, and predation upon others.  True Israel is the remant who recognize the Messiah.  False Israel will be annihilated.
  2. There is no mention of anything resembling America or 'the West' in the end times.  The US will not be a player on the world stage of Armageddon, probably because we will be smoldering ruins.

Your Brother,


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:18 | 2178213 Barbarians_R_Us
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Nice conjecture, but its all based on one vast theory: That "Jesus the Christ" really existed at all. Outside of the collective set of documents known as the bible- which are inherently biased- there is basically NO evidence that the historical person Jesus even existed. Sorry if you Christians don't hear that much (or at all) from the pulpit every Sunday- and I'm NOT in anyway trying to change your beliefs- but its the truth. So when conjectures about the future of our planet come directly or indirectly from a massively flawed doctrine from milleniums past I get a little perturbed.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 18:30 | 2178840 zapdude
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There's more legal proof Jesus of Nazareth existed than you or me.  It's called history and archeology.  If you refuse to believe that, there's no discussion here. 

I have chosen to try to live a life of love, forgiveness & hope as demonstrated by Jesus Christ.

I realize incalculable harm has been done over the centuries in the name of 'religion', including 'christendom'.  It's awful, but it has nothing to do with the Jesus of the Bible, just what sinful man has fabricated to enforce his will upon others.

I also realize I'm in a small minority on this site, but I do like to engage others when they comment on theology or the end times (re: above comments).

Thanks for your comment.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 03:11 | 2180174 Barbarians_R_Us
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There's more legal proof Jesus of Nazareth existed than you or me.  It's called history and archeology.  If you refuse to believe that, there's no discussion here.  I hear this a lot from CHRISTIANS. But somehow they are never able to produce the "history or archeology". Show it, or yes you are right there's no discussion here.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 12:20 | 2181104 stiler
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eyewitnesses were over 500 to his asension, Peter, James & John to his transfiguration, many, many to his miracles, such as the feeding of the five thousand (x2). The Bible IS a history book written by those who touched & experienced Him, who "our hands handled". He is the WORD, behind all things.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 15:13 | 2181682 Barbarians_R_Us
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As I mentioned, Christians are unable to produce any evidence -outside of their own canonical/apocryphal writings (written and assembled HUNDREDS of years after Jesus supposedly lived BTW) - to verify his existence (much less his diety which is a MUCH more massive undertaking).

Stiler - tell me this: If Jesus is the "WORD behind all things"- how come a dozen children in the world died of starvation during the course of your writing that sentence? AND if you are a TRUE believer what were you doing about it? Would Jesus have been pleased that you were typing on a computer while children died of starvation?  

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 22:11 | 2183121 BobPaulson
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The only thing that scares me more than a wingnut theocrat menacing war is a wingnut theocrat menacing that the next war will be "God"'s work.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:08 | 2177612 Chimerican
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War is not good. 

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:23 | 2177616 matrix2012
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Read the "tsunami bomb" that destroyed the Fukushima nuclear plant.

NEW INFO: Japan offered to enrich uranium for IRAN!

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"4. That nuclear weapon(s) were placed inside of the reactor containment(s) disguised as security cameras installed under contract this year by Arava based security firm Magna BSP (Arava is a district around Dimona, not a city.) Their "security cameras" weighed over 1,000 pounds and were the size and shape of gun type nuclear weapons ( The reason Magna BSP gave for the odd shape, enormous weight, and giant proportions of their cameras was that they were stereoscopic. A stereoscopic camera could be plausible at an airstrip, where the camera would need depth perception out miles, but not indoors where focal lengths are short. Depth perception going out miles could also be accomplished with two separately mounted cameras weighing only a few pounds; the giant thousand pounder is a dead giveaway. Why this giant thing, when smaller nukes are possible? Nuclear weapons always produce a certain amount of heat, and if a small design was used it would be obvious the "camera" was warm, even when turned off and sitting on the shelf. This would cause questions to be asked, especially in a nuclear power facility. The enormous size and weight helped conceal the decay heat.

. . . . . . . . . .9/11, 4/11, 3/11? see a pattern? Let's not see another X/11.

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Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:40 | 2177925 tmosley
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Yeah, sure, that's what happened.  That's why the tsunami originated at Fukushima rather than hitting it..oh...that's impossible.

Surely you're not just making shit up!?  What kind of person would do such a thing!?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 14:52 | 2178121 fuu
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"That nuclear weapon(s) were placed inside of the reactor containment(s) disguised as security cameras "

Farking micro-nukes dude.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:08 | 2177617 jplotinus
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I will eventually read the whole article, I suppose. However, by referring to Obama as having something to do with the political "left," the piece has gotten off on the wrong foot. Neither the (D) party in general nor Obama in particular have anything at all to do with the left. They are, instead and accurately characterized as a right wing, corporatist, capitalist lot, barely distinguishable, by either word or deed from (R)s.

Amurkin political discourse is seriously askew when it comes to identification of what is and is not leftist. Small wonder. We are talking about a country that allows about as much leftist thought as NKorea allows capitalist thought; and that for exactly the same reason: overt, direct and damn near total repression.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 13:12 | 2177843 Samsonov
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That's correct.  There are no parties in the real sense of the word, only different labels for the same thing: The State.  The so-called parties still exist only to allow people to attach thier loyalties to something until they are comfortable with to simple loyalty to the state.

People react with astonishment when I say that Romney and Obama are the same, that the parties are the same, but it is obviously true to anyone who has tried to correlate specific state actions to the party of the person taking the act.  There simply are no significant differences.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:13 | 2177625 FrankThinkTank
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ZH dives further into the conspiratorial rabbit hole each passing day.
- The dollar is going to collapse regardless of Iran.

- We've already lost our civil liberties

- We won't invade Iran. That is shear stupidity - especially if the spectre of WWIII is truly at our doorstep. We need the logistical capacity to fend off Russian & Chinese proxies, Iran is hardly the place. Obama is all about divide and conquer - it's well practiced domestically, good practice in Libya, we'd see a repeat of that in Iran. Soften the regime up, proceed with yet another civil war.

Have any of you self professed experts on MSM ever looked through the RT site? Are you vexed by the abject objectivity of their headlines, sources, and stories? Probably so. 


Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:13 | 2177630 frosty zoom
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but, but, but!

if the u.s. attacks iran it will be a major setback to president bush's nation-building efforts in iraq and afghanistan.

think of how many chicken farmers will go out of business.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:16 | 2177639 airedalesrule
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What is Keystone?

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:26 | 2177671 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The stone piece at the apex of a masonic arch.  It is the final piece during construction and locks all other stones into position, allowing the arch to bear weight.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 15:31 | 2178265 HungrySeagull
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As is the Cornerstone, the first stone rejected by the builders.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 21:11 | 2179316 Sunshine n Lollipops
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A beer-flavored sports drink.

Tue, 02/21/2012 - 08:48 | 2180392 francis_sawyer
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ask Keith Stone

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:17 | 2177642 Eric L. Prentis
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The USA is broke. Starting a new war with Iran, which has 2.5 times the population of Iraq, is economic suicide! Oil prices through the roof, world economy in the dumpster, and possibly, WWIII.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:19 | 2177649 Cycle
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Wilhelm Reich was right and tight. Pleasure-denying ideologies - whether "religious," political, or whatever result in acceptance of violence. We should be dropping gay, straight and mixed soft-porn DVD's, copies of Hustler and Playboy and Blade, Panasonic vibrators, generic Viagra, Astroglide,  excellent Oregon sinsemilla, and P. Cyanescens instead of bombs. We could start with Alabama.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:57 | 2177794 Cycle
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Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. HL Mencken

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 16:14 | 2178354 Cathartes Aura
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Pie in the Sky when you Die!

Long-haired preachers come out every night,
Try to tell you what's wrong and what's right;
But when asked how 'bout something to eat
They will answer with voices so sweet:

You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die.

aka, this world is shit, it's okay to debase it, all about eternity in the clouds.

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