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Guest Post: Consequences To Expect If The U.S. Invades Iran
Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market.com
Consequences To Expect If The U.S. Invades Iran

Let’s be honest, quite a few Americans love a good war, especially those Americans who have never had to bear witness to one first hand. War is the ultimate tribally vicarious experience. Anyone, even pudgy armchair generals with deep-seated feelings of personal inadequacy, can revel in the victories and actions of armies a half a world away as if they themselves stood on the front lines risking possible annihilation at the hands of dastardly cartoon-land “evil doers”. They may have never done a single worthwhile thing in their lives, but at least they can bask in the perceived glory of their country’s military might.
This attitude of swollen ego through proxy is not limited to the “Right” side of the political spectrum as some might expect. In fact, if the terrifyingly demented presidency of Barack Obama has proven anything so far, it is that elements of the “Left” are just as bloodthirsty as any NeoCon, and just as ready to blindly support the political supremacy of their “side” regardless of any broken promises, abandoned principles, or openly flaunted hypocrisies. No matter how reasonable or irrefutable the arguments against a particular conflict are, there will ALWAYS be a certain percentage of the populace which ignores all logic and barrels forward to cheerlead violent actions which ultimately only benefit a select and elite few.
They do this, though they rarely openly admit it, because of unbalanced and irrational biases which drive their decision making processes. In the case of the wars in the Middle East, the common public argument boils down to one of “self defense”. “They are coming to get us!” At least, that is what we are constantly told. And I’m sure that some Americans out there truly believe this. However, in their heart of hearts, others instead relish the idea of imposing their world views and philosophical systems upon others, even if it means using cluster bombs and predator drones.
Some people simply hate Muslims, for one reason or another. Some people believe that war will bring with it economic gain. Some are so afraid of what they do not comprehend that they only feel secure by attacking it. Some believe that the U.S. citizenry is morally obligated to become entangled with governments like Israel’s, and support them without question as if they are infallible, though they are often just as corrupt as the governments we are directed to despise. And yet others (for religious purposes), actually clamor for Middle Eastern destruction in the desperate hopes that their version of biblical prophecy will be vindicated. Ultimately, most Americans who support continued destruction in the Middle East, or anywhere else for that matter, do so out a selfish need for private absolution and elevation, not out of a sincere sense of patriotism, and not because nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, or Iran present a legitimate danger to their safety.
These men and women have invested their very identities into the mechanizations of collective war. They will not be swayed by evidence or honorable arguments. Any criticism of the actions of the collective will immediately be treated as a personal attack on their individual character, causing their minds to shut down completely.
As far as Iran is concerned, I am not here to convince the war-drum pounding zombie hoards infesting the mentally impotent sewage soaked wastelands of my country that their rationalizations for raining laser guided death on the third world is a “reprehensible thing”. Given their impenetrable biases, which I listed above, that would be a complete waste of time.
I could, indeed, point out how in 1953 the U.S. and Britain overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammad Mossaddegh, because he refused to allow global corporate interests to exploit his country’s oil resources. I could outline how the forced CIA installation of the Shah in Iran and the creation of his secret police led to the torture and murder of thousands of innocent people. I could list similar covert activities over the past 100 years or so, in countries all over the world, which have created the now universal disdain the third world has for the U.S. government. I could even show them a PBS special from 1987 which effectively details this history and warns of what is now going on today. The kind of mainstream news coverage that networks currently blacklist honest and daring journalists for:
But what about all the nuclear talk being shoved down our throats lately? Doesn’t this supersede any historical concerns between Iran and the U.S.? What if the terrorists get their hands on “the bomb”?!
On this issue, I could easily interject the fact that countries supposedly hostile to the U.S., like North Korea, have long had nuclear capability, and certainly the means to use infiltrators to deliver that technology, yet, we haven’t sent the Western war machine after them. I would also set the record straight by mentioning that the ONLY country in the world that has used a nuclear weapon against another is the U.S. I could educate these people on the exposure of secret Israeli nuclear weapons programs since the 1970’s, and the fact that Israel even attempted to illegally sell this technology to Apartheid South Africa:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-24/israel-tried-to-sell-nuclear-weapo...
I could try to clear the air by reminding the uninformed that Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta recently admitted that Iran has no nuclear weapons capability. And, that this fact was repeated by an Iranian nuclear scientist, Sharhram Amiri, who defected to the U.S. in 2010 with the help of the CIA in the hopes that he could be used to disseminate propaganda on “secret” nuclear weapons programs in his former homeland. Instead, he only reinforced the assertion that there are no such programs:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LG21Ak01.html
With the CIA made to look foolish, they have now decided that Amiri is “peripheral” to the Iranian nuke programs, and is no longer a solid source of information. I could follow by pointing out how decidedly convenient this is…
What about all the similarities between the lies on WMD’s in Iraq and the rhetoric against Iran today? What about the disinformation put forward by the IAEA and its cadre of foreign policy yes-men?
What about the fact that back when Iran was run by our own puppet leader, the Shah, an iron-fisted sociopathic dictator, we were more than happy that the country was developing nuclear power plants:

Sorry, but sharing this information with the warmongering percentage of our American culture is futile. None of this data means a thing to them. For these people, it’s not about facts; it’s about foggy perception, uncontrolled emotion, and false identity. Understanding the situation only complicates their pursuit of the next collectivist high; that frenetic freak frenzy that takes hold of a population and makes them swarm like mad bees, or hungry piranha, poisoning and devouring everything in their path.
With this in mind, the only recourse I could possibly think of to wake them up to their philosophical and moral folly is to expose them to very real and debilitating consequences they will face in their everyday lives in the wake of expanded conflict on the part of the U.S. That is to say, you may hate Iran, you may hate Iranians, you may despise Muslims, you may be driven by a childish need to live vicariously through the exploits of your government, or, you might actually believe the hype that Iran is in league with Al-Qaeda, that they really are after nuclear weapons in a diabolical plot to harm Americans, and you might truly believe that Israel is that “beacon of freedom” in the Middle East and that all its neighbors must be pacified for the sake of democracy. At bottom, whatever your deepest intentions, and whatever you might think, this is irrelevant in the face of the inevitable costs of war. If you support such a war, here is how it will affect you when it breaks loose:
Exploding Oil Prices
The U.S. has had a ban on Iranian oil imports since 1979, however, Iran still supplies about 5% of the global oil market. This might not seem like much, but Iran also has the means and ability to shut down the Straight of Hormuz, which is one of two major petroleum choke points in the world. Around 17 million barrels of oil per day are shipped through the Straight of Hormuz, or about 20% of all oil traded worldwide.

In 2006, during the last major Iran war scare, experts predicted gasoline price increases in excess of $10 a gallon if Iran was invaded.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/07/news/international/iran_oil/
This would devastate the U.S. economy, which is already hanging by a thin thread. Iran has announced this past weekend it will cease all oil shipments to Britain and France in protest of their support of economic sanctions. This alone is causing oil to spike today. A global energy crisis will financially decimate average citizens who will have their savings sapped by extreme price inflation, not just in gasoline, but in all goods that require the use of gasoline in their production and shipping. If you like this idea, then by all means, support an invasion of Iran.
War Domino Effect
In January of 2010, I wrote an article for Neithercorp Press entitled “Will Globalists Trigger Yet Another World War”. In that article, I warned about the dangers of an invasion of Iran or Syria being used to foment a global conflict, in order to create a crisis large enough to distract the masses away from the international banker created economic collapse:
http://www.alt-market.com/neithercorp/press/2010/01/will-globalists-trigger-yet-another-world-war/
In 2006, Iran signed a mutual defense pact with its neighbor, Syria, which is also in the middle of its own turmoil and possible NATO intervention. Syria has strong ties to Russia, and even has a revamped Russian naval base off its coast, a fact rarely mentioned by the mainstream media. Both Russia and China have made their opposition clear in the case of any Western intervention in Iran or Syria. An invasion by the U.S. or Israel in these regions could quickly intensify into wider war between major world powers. If you like the idea of a world war which could eventually put you and your family in direct danger, then by all means, support an invasion of Iran.
Dollar Collapse
Make no mistake, the U.S. dollar is already on the verge of collapse, along with the U.S. economy. Bilateral trade agreements between BRIC and ASEAN nations are sprouting up everywhere the past couple months, and these agreements are specifically designed to end the dollar’s status as the world reserve currency. An invasion of Iran will only expedite this process. If global anger over the resulting chaos in oil prices doesn’t set off a dump of the dollar, the eventual debt obligation incurred through the overt costs of war will. Ron Paul has always been right; it doesn’t matter whether you think invasion is a good idea or not. We simply CANNOT afford it. America is bankrupt. Our only source of income is our ability to print money from thin air. Each dollar created to fund new wars brings our currency ever closer to its demise.
This combination of disastrous economic policy and disastrous foreign policy has actually been used before. Great Britain once sat in the position of economic authority that the U.S. sits in today, and the pound sterling was once considered the world reserve because it was required in the global trade of oil, just as the dollar is now. However, British intrigues in the Middle East, and more specifically in Egypt, led them into extreme debt. In the 1940’s and 1950’s, international banks led by America and France threatened to dump British Treasury Bonds in response to their efforts to dominate Middle Eastern oil. Does any of this sound familiar?
This ultimately led to considerable devaluation of the pound. In 1967, the death blow was finally delivered when Prime Minister Harold Wilson artificially reduced the British exchange rate by 14% overnight! Meaning, in the span of a single evening, British citizens lost 14% of their buying power, and every product they went out to buy the next day would cost them 14% more.
It would be practical to mention that the move to destroy the British pound came right in time for the implementation of new programs for the construction of the European Union, and the Euro, the new supranational currency which would later become the standard. The EU and the Euro never could have come about while the Pound Sterling remained a world reserve. Just another amazing coincidence I’m sure, and one that couldn’t possibly have any relation to what is happening to the dollar in 2012, right…?
So, if you like the idea of losing 14% or more of your buying power overnight, and having that financial loss blamed on the tides of war, rather than on the corporate bankers who actually created the mess, then by all means, support an invasion of Iran.
Civil Liberties Destroyed
Do you like being able to walk down the street without having to suffer through constant pat-downs by low wage brain-dead cretins in blue gloves? Does it make you feel good to know that if you are ever arrested, whether you are guilty or not, you are guaranteed by law to receive a fair trial by your peers in a civilian court with a lawyer by your side? Do you enjoy taking a long drive with the family without facing check points, and predator drones constantly overhead every time you put the top down to feel the wind in your hair? Don’t get too comfortable, folks! These “luxuries” will soon be a thing of the past, especially as the U.S. financial situation deteriorates and war escalates. Think of all the new threats the elites in our government can use to rationalize the usurpation of Constitutional protections when war with Iran, or Syria, or Russia, or China, or all of them at once, breaks out.
The term “terrorist” will take on a whole different dynamic. Great national dangers often facilitate broader definitions of who is and who is not an “enemy of the state”. Crisis gives wings to legislation like the NDAA. In this kind of despotic environment, no one, even those citizens who support the state in nearly all of its enterprises, is safe. Maybe you love the idea of war with Iran, but at the same time, hate the idea of having a TSA goon manhandling your wife or daughter in a train station or on a street corner. Good luck with that. Speaking out could be treated as disruption of national security measures. Off to the gulag with you!
The “greater good” somehow always entails the dissolution of civil liberties for the common man. Invariably, the establishment in power favors no one, save a highly connected few. Being pro-establishment does not necessarily protect you from a government given free reign to do whatever it pleases in wartime. In the end, everyone is fair game.
If this is the kind of America you want to live in, by all means, support an invasion of Iran.
If You Can’t See The Big Picture, You Can’t See A Thing…
The relentless drive for war in the Middle East is not about “spreading democracy”. It is not about terrorism. It is not about oil (at least for the most part). It is not about Israel (at least, not the Israeli people). It is not even about corporate profiteering by the Military Industrial Complex. War in the Middle East is about changing the way our country and our world operates, culturally, socially, financially, and politically. War opens doors to social re-engineering that could never be accomplished otherwise. War creates fear, panic, rage, and allows dystopian fallacies to reign supreme. War, unjust and dishonorable war, makes countries weak, and ripe for violent change.
Iran is not a threat to our way of life, and never has been. But, war in Iran could easily upset the core of our entire country, and leave us wayward strangers in the land we were born.
While much of the rhetoric of preemptive invasion that America has been awash in these past few months is carefully crafted and disseminated by government entities whose intentions are far from honest, its effectiveness is mute without the helping hand of a thoughtless subsection of the public. Every decade or so, a new generation of idiot spawn comes of age to be willingly sacrificed on the chopping block of globalist conquest. This new decade brings with it the promise of not just more of the same, but perhaps the most costly tithe to the gods of war ever made in our country’s history. This is not our fight. This is a fight we are being conned into undertaking for the profit of others, and thus, it is a fight we cannot win. Perhaps when the blind mobs of this nation feel the abrupt sting of their foolishness in their narrow day-to-day existence, they will finally understand…
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anyone remember the good ol' days when the berlin wall was still up, the euro didnt exist, we sold weapons to iraq and iran cause we were buds, and the western world was only worried about russia, and stuff was still manufactured in america?
man i miss the cold war
and the spy movies were tops
m.a.d. worked and the ruskies could make as many nukes as they wanted 'cause no one could dare use them
ah, the good ol' days
now all i've got is rage
fear is the product you push
i'm a truth addict, shit i got a headrush
and hot chicks and there wasn't herpes or aids.
Well, there was AIDS, but good old American ingenuity came up with disc-shaped earrings the size of the rolled-up condom that was in each of them and marketed them as "Safe Ears,".
God I miss the '80s!
'Everyone' loves a good crusade. Especially John Lackland.
whoops,- double entry
This is how a "False Flag" event works. These techniques are taught at Army War Colleges along with how to successfully execute a "Stand Down" order. Page 5 and 6. Illustrated in reference to the first Video.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050302011931/http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-7.htm
We know how to start wars, we just suck at ending them.
We have some sort of Treaty with Iran that we the USA are not supposed to or shouldn't attack Iran directly. Look for the agreement, I don't remember off the top of my head what it as called. Israel will strike first then we can bomb or "Peace Mission" all we want after that.
We know who the real warmongers and banker super agents are. The Progressives got the USA into WWI, WWII, Korean and Vietnam Wars, and supported Jim Crow and lynching laws.
That would be Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy/Johnson. The CIA has become a politically blackmailing fiefdom, ala J. Edgar Hoover. Remember Passport Gate, March of 2008? Sure, but there was virtually no mention of how 24 year old named Lieutenant Quarlyes was identified as the one who hacked into Sec of State (Rice´s) passport records. He was working for John Brennan and his private security firm at the time. A couple weeks later, before he could testify, Quarlyes was murdered execution style sitting in his car in a DC church parking lot while waiting for someone.
And just who is John Brennan? His name may sound familiar... he is a former member of CIA management who was running a private security firm at the time in DC, and immediately after Obama was elected, John Brennan was appointed, and remains, Obama´s Domestic Counter-Terrorism advisor. He is the one who caused a stir by saying Jihad is an acceptable tenant of Terrorism.
If Brennan has the dirt on Obama´s citizenship status the CIA owns him. But I think the Dulles brothers CIA era was still the worst.
Stratesec, go look who owns it.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=stratesec
Just watched "V for Vendetta" for the umpteenth time last night. This should be required viewing for all of americans, now! And it should be paired with that great movie by the same great film makers, "The Matrix". Not sure which should be first in the double header.
"In the field the bodies burning...." -Ozzy
All Americans have watched those movies. To connect the mind must be first opened before the truth can be known. You can't lead a horse to water and have it drink if it ain't thirsty. And if it ain't thirsty it probably needs to piss. And if you had led it to you water hole, there goes you fresh water supply!
I'm not that much of a defeatist yet. I still think we can 'win' this thing. BUT, we are very close to losing it all. I was going to add a comment similar to yours...but, no matter. Even if you had Billy Crystal present the movie, a significant majority would be lost by the third sentence. But then again, more people are waking to what it going on. I have had three instances in the past 2 weeks where complete strangers, other than having met them at a local restaurant bar, who volunteered that the whole thing is going to shit, the world economy is going to fail and our govt is a scam. So, there are those waking up. The more we reach out the more we can do.
But are those people doing anything about it? No. It's like everyone wants to watch the collapse from underneath the structure.
No, they are doing something about it. They are preparing for themselves and talking to others about it. Short of civil unrest, there is not much we can do other than spread the awakening.
They are looking to support Ron Paul in any way they can whether it be standing on the streets with signs, putting up signs, writing on these boards.
Look no matter whether you like OWS or not, they've got the right model. I for one don't think their message is very good and politically they are supporting this president who, if OWS were honest, would realize is the enemy, in addition to the globalists on wall street and the eltes, clintons, bushes, buffett, soros....
Ultimately, politicians are politicians and if enough of us call bull shit, they will follow the lead, just the same way everybody was fucking pro-USA in the 80s. Born in the USA and on and on. ultimately we have to decide if our original model was the best opportunity for liberty in the world or if the idea of liberty is only as valid as the ideas of socialism and marxism. I liked the living conditions I had when our government was only relatively persuaded by wall street and corps. More people moved up in the late 80s, more blacks moved into the middle class during the 80s and minimally, they let us be. But,our current condition is a long time coming, at least 24 years of Northeast Elitist education in the two bush jr and sr, clinton, and now obamao. Whether you liked reagan or not, he held our society out as the society of hope and liberty, 'the last outpost of freedom', now we have a fucking clown saying the constitution should be reconsidered, replaced, this is seditious and treasonous.
Believe me though, I am not very positive about where we are but I am positive that we can fix it. But we have to start talking, more than here, everyone you know. But you have to tone down the message. Fuck this shit about global conspiracies, eugenics, etc. This is about a group of people trying to take advantage of bad conditions in the world.
Down arrows commence.
On a collective level, there is no point of "losing it all forever", unless we're talking global "nuclear/biological" war... something that is closer to what people are comforable with, though not as easily triggered, as "obsessive doomers" would like to happen. My point? Absent a WMD-based war (which contrary to popular opinion, would NOT be started by "rogue nations".... it is no coincidence that the "civilized world" launched the first offensive nuke).... absent that, and the longterm-looming global ressource issue, mankind will not in a single event destroy itself (yes, that's a lot of IFs). What it would at most do, is "megadeaths" among cultures.... but it would not be a "game over"... not an "end-point".
I think in terms of apocalypse, one real really split fears into three scales:
1. Mankind level: This requires large-scale destruction via nuclear or biological means at the current techlevel. The main provocateurs of such a possiblity, have absolutely nothing to do with culture and ideology. It has nothing to do with left, right, capitalism, communism, fascism, socialism, individualism... and similiar terms.... rather, those terms work on a much lower level....... instead, to trigger such an event, you simply need to let a minority but influential class of decision makers, run apeshit.... ignoring all (void) ideological pretenses.
2. Temporary collective and cultural level. This is what so far has been "normal" among humans in history. Large cultural changes can happen and millions of dead.... yet, it has nothing to do with an "endgame" in the sense of there being no tomorrow. It "just" (quotes emphasized!!!) means entire generations living a horrible life.... yet future not being set in stone. Basically historically a temporare "dark age".
3. Individual level. That's YOU and YOUR friends and relatives. Stuff that directly imminently matters to YOUR life. How to deal with that? Fuck politics. Fuck culture. Fuck whatever unfairly threatens your life.... make and execute plans to get your life out of possible greater insanity... or if you want to go into denfense, ensure that you and your friends can handle potential incoming greater mass-idiocy
Bottom line: forget about patriotism and all that crap. Will humanity survive? Then make cultural and individual plans. Is there a danger of the species destroying itself? Then make plans for getting out of dodge AS WELL as collective resistance!
I watch V every 5th of November.
Americans are all fat little mental patients now.
Not all of us are obese, just 1/3.
I took his comment as fat transcending physical condition in context although I agree that one should not generalize... ;)
Fair enough
Generalizations such as yours serve no useful purpose, you are a weakminded fool.
Gog Magog, bitchez?
Thanks to all of you, to the contributors and especially the Tylers for making this site what it is. Cheers and continued good luck to all.
What to expect?
a Kill Off
that peak oil was going to usher in independent of an attack on Iran
this way...we get a boogyman to blame
can't go to war for something as esoteric as peak oil...there must be a boogyman
Americans are all fat little mental patients now
“Does anyone care what Americans think? They’re the worst-educated people in the First World. They don’t have any thoughts, they have emotional responses, which good advertisers know how to provoke.”
“This isn’t a country, it’s an American aircraft carrier. We’ll have a dictatorship soon in the U.S..”
Gore Vidal
The world has had enough of the U.S. and between this and the fact that it is being destroyed from within, it ushers in an age when it truly is all over in it's present incarnation in a few regards IMHO...
You're posts are one of the only reasons I still occasionally go to MaxKeiser.com Youri, you've provided me with a lot of great reading. Thanks ;)
Warfare has changed immensley over the years. the 6000 that have been killed on our side the last 10 years would have been killed in the first 20 minutes during our Civil war.
You need to include non-combatants when you're counting, then the numbers get closer together.
Multiply that.
The Civil War as it was in it's form will never be fought that way ever again.
Even World War One consumed millions. The Artillery is actually a Geological Layer a certain distance down below the soil of France now.
If we lost 6000 on a Carrier... it might just be Nukes because I think it will enrage the USA like never before. And in World War Two, Carriers were sunk and damaged by the dozen but we keep on.
And the Civil War has been in place since the Nation itself was founded. It had to be. Even the Capitol has human blood in the marble years before the actual shooting started.
""I could easily interject the fact that countries supposedly hostile to the U.S., like North Korea""
He is Flawlessly clueless
I wonder if US shot a T.O.W missle up Ahmadinejad's ass would the Iranian people:
1. burn effigies of Natanyahu
2. widly cheer and party down like Puerto Ricans
Almost all my posts here on Hedgefund.com forum deal with economic justice and equitable income distribution which I see as the root of all the problems; however, getting rid of
religious-black-robed-scare-crows tyrants that took over Iran would not bother me at all and it would certainly not invlove any double standard on my part, I would cheer if
Putin died by ingesting Polonium, or Hugo Chaves died from aids.
"getting rid of religious-black-robed-scare-crows tyrants that took over ...(insert any Islamic, Christian or Jewish country here)... would improve the world."
There, I fixed it for you.
My money is on a pre-emptive attack out of Israel.
Obama will not want a US lead conflict while he is campaigning for an 2nd term.
Lets face it he is going to have his work cut out when the debt ceiling problem hits his desk once again.
What if the US bombs Israel? Shoot the hostage? Yeah? Yeah?!
Or the U.S. will follow Israel into WWIII well before the election and Obama will get another term through executive order. Election, schmelection...
Like it would matter if Mittens, Newt (the absolute asshole), or (needs to be in a) Sanitorium, were "elected" as CEO. They'll be pounding the war drums themselves if they win and Barry hasn't got the ball rolling.
Oh, exactly. It would make no difference whatsoever as presidents are installed and the puppeteers perpetuate their script, whatever that may be. The beat goes on...
Nope, israel will without additional political aspects, will not "out of nowhere" start a nuclear strike.... it for (as stupid as it may sound) needs US or other countries approval or involvement to do so. It politically needs a "justification" to do so.
Well, let's see.... they lots of time toyed with a nuclear strike.... mainly regarding........ LEBANON.... why? Because they got tenthousands or rockets, don't like israel, are in attack range, and israel failed to beat them conventionally.... and coincidentally, they are backed by iran.
Coincidentally, because of the "special status" that israel has regarding the US and international politics, attacking israel also would be a "strong card" among iran, considering that it is the force mainly backing hezbollah.
How do you get hezbollah in lebanon - the iranian unofficial missile batallion... to not only wave it's dick, but engage in an all out assault?
Answer: Iran
Problem: Iran in turn has relations to russia and china.
Do you get the WW3 bukkake already?
No, israel will not do USA's bidding, without the USA or it's not so public forces or israels not so public force (CIA, al quaeda, mossad, etc, etc, etc) providing a justification.
I do not claim to know the exact way they will provide that justification. All i'm saying is: Israel will not do a nuclear strike out of nowhere for "publicly" no reason.... they will need to provide an (engineered or not) justification.... just as with 9/11...
Problem is: When 9/11 was executed, certain major powers politically were not in a position to intervene or question the fake justification........................
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thank you brandon!!!!! and god bless you...
the war against iran is purely a staged event conjured up by the cia for the purpose of controlling yet more oil....
fuck the bush crime syndicate, fuck the rockefeller-mic-yale-cia cabal of murderers and fuck all of the pin headed americans clamoring for war....
this fake war is all about the racist anglo-american new world order....it is all a complete pack of lies built upon their eugenic and racial superiority complexes plus an insatiable greed and control complex....
don't forget albert pike.....
World War III - The First Private Was in History
Those who won all battles shall lose the war. Bilderberg Group and the crimes against humanity.
In 1991, when George Bush senior attacked Iraq and tried to establish the New World Order, has actually provoked a World War. A war the human kind has never seen before; a world war that may not have had the provocative blood-letting of the previous wars, nevertheless its consequences were equally bad for all the peoples. A financial world war, the consequences of which may not have been dead or amputated men and ruins, but in any case they were equally disastrous for both the peoples and the environment.
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/world-war-iii.html
Authored by PANAGIOTIS TRAIANOU
When the half-witted Santorum takes power all this and more will be in the works.
One way for US politicians to divert attention from the corruptness and poor economy. The globalist are in full control. Just use those in the military for financial gain.
The advertisement featuring the Shah as an advocate for independent nuclear energy for Iran should go viral.
It completely undercuts the last vestige of the Neocon's tired claim of WMD in Iran.
Brandon's points are mostly well-taken but he is definitely wrong with one ascertion: Wilson's devaluation did not result in a loss of buying power of 14% for UK citizens. This did effect only imported goods; and since Britain's import rate at that time was far below 50%; the loss would not even reach 7%. What is more, this loss of 7% would cerainly not come "overnight" but would take at least 2-3 months
I think George Carlin once said that the US loves to bomb "brown people". After all, the Third World doesn't have "real" human beings does it? Mothers, fathers, children, sisters and brothers. People who would be quite happy if the murderers from their own country and those far away would just leave them the hell alone.
They did a survey in Afghanistan. Most of the people or quite a number of them had no idea why they were invaded and many had never heard about 9/11. That is a sad commentary for the justification to invade a country for the actions of Saudi Citizens who were accused of belonging to a minority extremist group called Al Quaida that fateful day.
Go figure....
How high can you fly?
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=sky%20pilot%20song&tnr=21&vid...
"never argue with an idiot- he will bring you down to his level and then beat you with experience"
Less than half of this article actually addresses the "consequences to expect" cited in the title. When I finally got to the consequences, I was wowed by such novel insights as "exploding oil prices", "war domino effect", and "loss of civil liberties".
You mean there are consequences of war? I thought it was good for the economy and for making wounded heroes that we can parade out before the flag-waving mobs 2 or 3 times a year and forget about the other 362 days.
Plus, we always win the wars don't we? Well, those who have invested in the war win bigger profits, so why should they care about those who fight them or happen to be too close to them? Then the war profiteers can donate more money to their church where they show up on Sunday with their flag lapel pins.
It makes me want to puke, but I know the sheep can't get enough. Onward to defeat Eastasia sheep!
Pretty much all the reasons why I haven't gotten any further along with my self-sufficiency farm. If that shit transpires nothing will matter, no one will be safe. I hate this fucking planet.
Just one bullshit hurdle after another, no job and a paid off house and 2 years behind on property taxes gee what do I want to sell now?
I'm getting really, really tired of this shit. I envision myself going out with a bang, and not alone.
Sounds like we're in the same boat esnoble. I was tired of this shit 30 years ago at 20 years old and at 50 today i have watched it all do nothing but get worse.
Part of me wants to hide away on a doomstead I don't own yet because I wasn't real good at making piles of money in this rigged game of rape or be raped the owners have made for us. The other part of me wants to do all I can to help the lemmings drive this bitch off the cliff so we can rebuild it, hopefully, minus the assholes at top (although the assholes seem to rise to the top, but they might not in a different system).
Good luck rsnoble. I hope that whichever path you choose proves to be the best.
Yeah good luck to you also, we're going to need it.
1957. The west plotted to overthrow the Syrian regime. It´s the exact same MO as today. Scams, assassinations and false flags. Learn from history. You catch criminals by identifying their patterns.
Macmillan backed Syria assassination plotDocuments show White House and No 10 conspired over oil-fuelled invasion plan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/sep/27/uk.syria1
Mr_Wonderful,
Is a conspiracy of Buckingham Palace, Downing #10 and various agencies and banks in and around The City.
as well as
Their cronies on the other side of the pond.
The Boston Tea Party was for show and giggles. America is still owned and operated by HRH.
1957:
"Once a political decision is reached to proceed with internal disturbances in Syria, CIA is prepared, and SIS [MI6] will attempt, to mount minor sabotage and coup de main incidents within Syria, working through contacts with individuals.
"The two services should consult, as appropriate, to avoid any overlapping or interference with each other's activities... Incidents should not be concentrated in Damascus; the operation should not be overdone; and to the extent possible care should be taken to avoid causing key leaders of the Syrian regime to take additional personal protection measures."
Syria had to be "made to appear as the sponsor of plots, sabotage and violence directed against neighbouring governments," the report says. "CIA and SIS should use their capabilities in both the psychological and action fields to augment tension." That meant operations in Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon, taking the form of "sabotage, national conspiracies and various strong-arm activities" to be blamed on Damascus.
The plan called for funding of a "Free Syria Committee", and the arming of "political factions with paramilitary or other actionist capabilities" within Syria. The CIA and MI6 would instigate internal uprisings, for instance by the Druze in the south, help to free political prisoners held in the Mezze prison, and stir up the Muslim Brotherhood in Damascus."
Sound familiar?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/sep/27/uk.syria1
Consequences of War with Iran: gas prices will skyrocket in Europe and USA and the central bankers will have a perfect inflationary scapegoat to cover their imminent printing.
good call.
I aint cashing out the metal for gas.
No sir.
Nobody is advising this?
Good god, y-all... What is it good for? Absolutely nothing- Say it again...
The U.S. isn't going to invade anything. Send in the drones and blow up all the Christmas presents.
The USA will not invade Iran if you are looking for the plan all you have do do is go back into history . More precisely at june 1981 when the IDF attacked and detroyed the nuclear reactor outside Bagda Irack .This is a documentary on how Israel was able to do this it is almost a perfect script to the actions that have already taken place .
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2295792449224502914#
This is much more difficult in Iran today. First, the nuclear program is extremely diffused over a large country. Remember that Iran has been a few years from acquiring nuclear weapons for 30 years now and a few months from being attacked for it for at least 20 years. Second, they have several covert sites. Third, even if the U.S. and its 51st state managed to blow up some sites, with repeated attacks, the human resources and knowledge and capabilities still remain. When you have qualified manpower and knowledge, rebuilding facilities isn´t a big deal. This is why U.S./Israel have been trying to assassinate scientists and it shows that they realize that taking out this alleged Iranian nuclear program by bombing is impossible. This leaves invading the country and of course they realize that this is hopeless as well.
I guess you didn't watch the doc before making your comments
Look at it this way: never before has all this intrigue and lying been more obvious.
Consequences of War with Iran:
I am outa here. Gonna move maybe to Canada. too many bs wars in my lifetime and I don't want to be part of it anymore. Maybe my moving won't make a difference in the "big picture" but right now I can't and won't willingly support another conflict unless the US is attacked directly.
by attacked directly I meant the continental US and out two outlying states. I would not count an attack on one of our 1000+ bases and floating patrols. they can fight back but that would not be an excuse for an all out war. I remember the Gulf of tonkin.
Yeah, move to Canada, a country with a largely clueless population of over-leveraged lemmings and a government with it's nose lodged firmly up the ass of the global elite, U.S. and Israeli "administrations"... Yes, I'm a "Canadian" yet pledge allegiance to no "country" as patriotism has become so passé and irrelevant anyway.
If you're going to go to the trouble of moving, make a real move. ;)
I said maybe. got any suggestions? I thought of canada because it is the easiest to get to.
Canada is a nice place to be so far actually but the tides are changing here also and I can only forsee a time not far off when the cost of living, particularly in "old age", will justify putting down roots in what has been known as the Third World.
I can't really offer suggestions as to possible destinations as changing one's fundamental lifestyle is complicated and personal. Personally I've put a plan in motion later this year to investigate Southern Asia and the South Pacific but perhaps you moving somewhere in Canada would be the best thing you could do for yourself (and yours?) situationally, I don't know. Good luck to you however the future pans-out.
I am a duel US/Canadian citizen and have recently moved to Canada from the US (under age dependents going to Canadian university).
Big difference in the cost of a quality college education, yearly tuition rate for residents at top Canadian University is around $6000 to $9000 (that's per year!!) compared to like universities in the US going for $25,000-$45,000.
My health insurance has gone from $16,000 per year to ZERO.
Of course you have VAT and HST taxes and other nickle and dime taxes to pay. But even with those taxes (I still pay US income tax because I am still a US citizen and investments are in US) it is cost effective to live in Canada.
Having lived thru Vietnam era, I share you views regarding US military conflict and in the back of my mind I am intentionally setting the stage so my dependents will have dual citizenship and hopefully options.
I doubt the Canadians would ever successfully implement a draft/conscription. Both of my grandfathers and many Uncles and my father were from Quebec and when the government tried to "make" them go fight over in Europe (WWI and II) it didn't work out to well (for the government), needless to say NONE of them ever left Quebec to go fight a war. Things change but for the most part you don't see that "John Wayne" level of patriotism here.
Many of the immigrants to Canada came here to avoid military conflicts/wars in the US... the Loyalist fleeing the US revolution, and another wave from the US during the American Civil war in the 1860's and of course the 1960-70.
It is interesting to see and interact with the various ethnic groups immigrating to Canada, it is a wonderful melting pot. Of course if you are "Canadian Red" (what my grandparents referred to as "old style anglophones") you may not share that view....lol.
thanks for the reply. a lot to think about. goodluck to you too.
Canada is a fine place to live- however slowly the boomers (especially the males) are becoming fox-botomized now that they are losing their gravy train....
Same difference up North.
You are a worthless P.O.S ignorant JUNKSTER! Having fun in your Mommies Basement?
look at the table our central government has set, the patriot act, the ndaa bill, the executive orders, all of it.
now what if the congress actually declares war this time? what does that mean for us in the states if the homeland, by virtue of needing to secure it during this time of war, gets turned legally into a battlefield?
de-facto martial law? emergency war powers giving the government control over pretty much everything for the duration of the conflict? but how long would, could this conflict last, years, decades? how long before the homeland would be secure enough to restore freedoms and personal liberties to the people?
my guess would be never...just look at how long this war on terror has lasted, ten years we have been living under the emergency powers granted by the patriot act, ten years and there is still no end in sight.
so even if you despise and hate Iran and the brown people therein for whatever reason, you'd better think long and hard about what a war with Iran will mean for us here at home, in other words be careful what you wish for.
you just might get it.
Ok, I agree with the the fact that ndaa is B.S. But you my friend are delusional, and need to get back on those meds. as soon as possible!
nothing much will happen. the war itself could be Cakewalk II, but there will never be a ground invasion. former Def Head Gates said (in summary) that that invasion of Iraq was a success, the occupation was a mistake. next time there will be no occupation, and very little in the way of an invasion. the foreign policy objective is to respect Irans sovereignty while pushing it in a more prowestern direction (regime change). the game plan now is more like Libya, Egypt and hopefully Syria. use the Arab spring to forment revolution, including Al Qaeda.
once the current regime is overthrown nothing new is allowed to ever take shape, this is the Israeli foreign policy. Palestine. there is a great deal more money to made by corporate america in the occupation, so it remains to see if they have any say in this. iran will either have to join the global economy, starbucks, sweatshops, and pegged currencies, or they will have to go off the grid (think about this analagy as macro micro to your own future, if you go off the grid they won't let you back in, that's your future). if the us achieves energy independence they will make iran a pariah state, otherwise they have to work to bring them into the economic process.
and since we're very close to being energy independent, the likely solution is bombing iran back into the stone age, no invasion, no reparations, just crawl in your hole like north korea. but these things take time and the first step would be a no fly zone, and securing the persian gulf. let the next bush fight the war. obama has his marching orders just like bill clinton had his.
Oh and let's not forget the radiation released from blowing up nuclear plants. I'm sure everyone near Iran will just love the big black cloud they see getting closer and closer. Mankind is nowhere near ready for this kind of technology. We'll kill ourselves from being smart enough to event such a thing and too stupid to control it. Of course it's a human flaw as all the crazies always end up on top in charge of it all and don't give a rat's ass about anything except what's good for them.
Won't be any worse than Chernobyl, and look how well we all fared after that ... Next argument, please.
Our sheep got poisoned.
Sorry, do you mean actual sheep?
Yes -- the US invasion of Libya is just the latest conquest. We were a important part of breaking it, now we will own the consequences.
Brandon Smith: "I could list similar covert activities over the past 100 years or so, in countries all over the world, which have created the now universal disdain the third world has for the U.S. government. I could even show them a PBS special from 1987 which effectively details this history and warns of what is now going on today."
It's no secret that for decades the American right has tried to do away with the National Endowments for the Arts and Humanities as well as PBS. I always thought this was a knee-jerk anti-intellectualism akin to the occasional "conservative"-right calls to do away with "useless" liberal arts in universities.
I now realize that PBS, while far from impartial, is at least not a media outlet fully beholden to a media mogul such as Rupert Murdoch. There's a small shred of objectivity in PBS that has been stamped out of most other media through corporatization. PBS first established its liberal street cred by criticizing Nixon's Vietnam policy without flinching. If the neo-cons want to lead us into another costly, bankrupting war, PBS and any even remotely independent news source must be squashed.
Mr. Smith:
Your cnn.money article referenced when talking about $10/gallon gasoline doesn't have anything in it that backs up that claim. It looked like you were using that article to establish a basis for saying that. I couldn't tell for sure, the way it was written.
I think the real price right now is, as Dylan Ratigan has pointed out, is about $13/gallon, but the price fixers don't allow gas to be priced at it's real market value including all of the externalized costs. As far as what a conflict in Iran will do, it certainly is reasonable to assume the price of gas will go up quite a bit.
Gas @ $13/gallon = SUDDEN recognition of the second U.S. Great Depression, although this time inflationary depression! far worse...
Oh.
I see the mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging FReepers and GLPers got here first.
I guess they don't like being called to think before leaping.
Thanks for the guest post. I'll not have to resort to negativity but instead merely refer to paragraph such and such line number such and such of this article. Although you left out the predatory Santa Monica meter maids - a job well done.
Israel will never be safe as long as there are non-Jews in this world.
Therefore all of us non-Jews must commit mass suicide. Problem solved. QED.
the pound was toast after WW1 and most certainly after WW2. To say that Nasser brought down the pound is a bit much. The author had some credibility until that mess of an argument.
The Pouind Sterling, hell every currency, was toast the minute they came off the gold standard. Brittain and Germany (Wiemar Republic anyone?) came off the gold standards at the outset of WWI so they could pay for the war by fiat printing.
KMFDM WORLD WAR 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-GfwLRTThU
America "invading" Iran?
HAHAHAHAHA
Never in a million years.
World War III - The First Private Was in History
Those who won all battles shall lose the war. Bilderberg Group and the crimes against humanity.
In 1991, when George Bush senior attacked Iraq and tried to establish the New World Order, has actually provoked a World War. A war the human kind has never seen before; a world war that may not have had the provocative blood-letting of the previous wars, nevertheless its consequences were equally bad for all the peoples. A financial world war, the consequences of which may not have been dead or amputated men and ruins, but in any case they were equally disastrous for both the peoples and the environment.
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/world-war-iii.html
Authored by PANAGIOTIS TRAIANOU
Who is this fucking dago that you've mentioned twice now, anyways?
@ LFMayor
If you wish to learn more about feel free to vcheck it out
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/world-war-iii.html
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/01/global-debt-crisis.html
http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/02/germany-disgrace-of-europe.html
If you have questions, I will be glad to help you out.
The "first private war in history"?
And who do you think financed all the other wars before? Which group benefited from death and destruction, war machine, rebuilding etc the most?
How do you think is it possible to accumulate trillions in wealth? How many years, decades, centuries do you think it would take to build financial empires?
Why are certain groups always coming out on top?
The gig is much older than you think.
For thousands of years military commanders, except the retarded ones, realized that a frontal attack required secure flanks. This is like military strategy 101 pre-school. In this light it is interesting that the flanks of the Iran assault are a total mess after a decade of incompetent warfare to secure them. Retarded commanders have even managed to incite the Pakistanisd to close the main supply line to the Afghanistan flank. It´s a monumental achievement of stupidity. The flank of Iraq and other U.S. vassal states on the Gulf is optimally shaky as well. Getting rid of an Iraqi regime hostile to the Iranians and making a total basket case out of the country of Iraq was very good for Iran. This also undermines the medieval regimes of other U.S. vassal states in the area . People tend to notice the incompetence of the U.S. military command. So, those vassals are bound to wonder that the support of the U.S. master is really worth if push comes to shove. Face it, the U.S. military is basically good at three things. First blowing up thing on a grandiose scale, second shooting up defenseless people and third sitting on their asses in countless bases around the world doing nothing.
If the U.S. had the intention invade Iran, before the next election, do you really think Barack would have blocked Transcanada's Keystone pipeline. That decision would really look intelligent to the voters faced with a blocked straights of Hormuz and $200 oil.
This post reminds me of my latest vid. Maybe you'll find it educational:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-ok7-4aZ1M
Whoever does it, I hope they make it the equivelent of a Michael Corelone christining.
The Iranians aren't gonna hate them any less.
The POTUS is the supposed commander in chief of US armed forces. Now, Obama and Bush and other gling glongs before them back to Eisenhower haven´t had the slightest clue about military strategy. But this isn´t the main problem. The main problem is that idiocy at the top appoints more idiocy. So you have top-down incompetence. This problem grows over time and now we see the result clearly before us in failed wars. By now this is so obvious that those morons aren´t even capable of launching any false flags or lying through any new wars. If you look at the corporate media you can see the desperation of shills like Anderson Pooper and Erin Burnit. All the while this incompetent mess tries to hide its stupidity behind increasing police state measures.
What people don't realize is sanctions, embargoes, & blockades are acts of war, so we're already at war with Iran.
They are, but it also manifests the reactionary actions of a cornered system. This system´s baggage sis failed wars on false pretenses. The Iraq war was also preceded by sanctions and blockades and embargoes and the knock-out provided by the 9/11 hollywoodshow. But it has all backfired. The success of a scam obviously depends upon the number of people taking it seriously and when this consistently goes south this is obviously a problem for the scamsters. Most people learn to be wary of serial liars in what 2nd grade?
Get with the program, dude ... Iran is at war with us ... And the world.
LOL- what are you Brandon- about 22?
It shows.......
they will finally understand…
... but then my friend, will it be too late.
This is nonsense. There will not be any invasion. Just ATTACK - DESTROY - PULLBACK.
Out of USA, China, Russia I pick USA.
Better USA civilized protection rather than Russian or Chinese yoke,
ekm,
Exactly, we bust them, blow them up. And if they try to rebuild, we bust/blow them up again. We NEVER invade!
We break them, but THIS TIME we don't "own" them. If Iran's neighbors want to carve them up, let them have at it.
I can't make out whether it's sarcam or agreement. But, the only place where life is really good is HEAVEN. Until then, world will not be livable unless a world policeman puts some kind of world discipline.
Right now it's USA. It is way better than USSR. Only imagining China running the world is scary seeing what they do to their own citizens.
As far as I am concerned, THANK YOU USA. We owe to the blood of US, CANADIAN, UK soldiers everywhere in the world and other smaller allies.
As to western european soldiers, just read the link. It's joke.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/3546154/German-soldiers-too-fat-to-fight-the-Taliban.html
ekm, I am in total agreement with your sentiments.
God bless you.
PIE IN THE SKY WHEN YOU DIE!!!
kill now, ala mode laterz.
I hope there's cheesecake, cuz it's my favorite. Do you know if there's cheesecake? I guess apple'd be okay, but I'd prefer cheesecake. Some people might say they'd kill for a slice of cheesecake, but I actually would. That's how much I like it. Anyway, let me know. Thx.
Hilarious. I'm just devouring the second one right now, small cheese cupcakes.
are you an AMRKN?
then APPLE it is son, sez so on yer passport - none of that fancy European cheesecake stuffs!
love, mom.
Mom?? You're a ZHer? I guess that would explain all the beans, rice and peanut butter in the basement. Not to mention your sudden fascination with firearms. Just out of curiousity, where'd you hide the gold?
FEMA Camp in your future, one yoke is as good as another...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/infographic-greatest-gun-salesman-america-president-obama
Kill Switch
Thx for the input. My answer to you is above. Please click and read.
What you said is a theoretical probability but it would be identical to USSR or North Korea labor camps. It ain't happening when the population at large owns so many guns.
And they have little training on how to use them against well trained federal maniacs!!! Their children are safe at home,,, while yours are standing behind you!!! BAD GAMBLE!!
Hey!! I'm with you, but realize that EX-PAT is the only answer because I will not rely on the Amerikan morons to wake up and be in collaboration with me.. Fuck them!! It's to late,,,football, baseball, hockey, basketball, dancing with the stars, celebrity apprentice,,,,,,,,,, Put your future in their hands,,,,not mine!!
Whatever works for you. Even Max Keiser is living in Paris for the same reason. Whatever makes you feel comfortable, it's as simple as this. Personally, I'm in Canada, I'm not american, but still very very greatful to the military people out there both from US and Canada.
Junk me all you want! Martial Law kills GDP! Hell I'm half way expatraited anyways, so I could give two shits! I saw this crap back in the 80's, when I started my first business.
Excellent article !!!
Came across this the other day, a paper in The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, those are the people that created the doomsday clock we keep hearing about. More about them here: http://www.thebulletin.org/content/about-us/purpose As most of you know I normally use excerpts and post the link so you can go read in full the text if you like, but this time I think it is important enough to post the whole article.
Chain reaction: How the media has misread the IAEA's report on IranBy Greg Thielmann and Benjamin Loehrke | 23 November 2011
Article HighlightsWhen, earlier this month, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) released a report on Iran's nuclear program, several media agencies and politicians walked away with two messages: that the Vienna-based agency now refutes past estimates of the US intelligence community, and that Iran is now making a break for the bomb. Both representations are false. Yet these assertions have been repeated often enough to give them traction with the public and Congress.
Most analysts familiar with the report agree that there "is nothing in the report that was not previously known by the governments of the major powers" -- a nuclear Iran is "neither imminent nor inevitable." While it is clear that Iran's continuing research on nuclear weapons is a serious concern for international security, there "has been no smoking gun when it comes to Iran's nuclear weapons intentions."
So why the conflicting analyses over a highly bureaucratic and technocratic paper?
Washington talks a lot, but does not read very much. That is the simplest way to explain why commentators overlook the consistency between the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran and the latest IAEA report on Iran's nuclear program.
The 2007 NIE PDF on Iran made the headline-grabbing, high-confidence assessment that, in fall 2003, Iran halted its nuclear weapons program (as distinct from its uranium enrichment and ballistic missile programs). Additionally, the NIE said:
We also assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons. ...
We judge with high confidence that the halt lasted at least several years. (Because of intelligence gaps discussed elsewhere in this Estimate, however, [the Energy Department and the National Intelligence Council] assess with only moderate confidence that the halt to those activities represents a halt to Iran's entire nuclear weapons program.)
We assess with moderate confidence Tehran had not restarted its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007, but we do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.
That is remarkably consistent with the IAEA's latest report, which noted:
[Iran's nuclear weapons effort] … was stopped rather abruptly pursuant to a "halt order" instruction issued in late 2003 by senior Iranian officials. According to that information, however, staff remained in place to record and document the achievements of their respective projects. … The agency is concerned because some of the activities undertaken after 2003 would be highly relevant to a nuclear weapon programme.
The NIE left open the possibility that Iran could continue its weapons-relevant activities. With four years of additional perspective, the latest IAEA report gives greater detail on the weapons work that Iran did prior to 2003, then updates the available information on what lesser work occurred after 2003. The new activities included:
Carrying on scattered research activities does not amount to a full-fledged restart of an integrated weapons program. That type of activity still appears to have halted in 2003. The activities since seem more like Iran is refining its previous understanding of nuclear weapons design -- not breaking for a bomb.
Hence, in explaining the latest classified NIE on Iran released in March of this year, James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, told the Senate Armed Services Committee PDF:
We continue to assess Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons in part by developing various nuclear capabilities that better position it to produce such weapons, should it choose to do so. We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons.
Clapper's testimony was in keeping with the recent IAEA report, which added considerable detail to the sanitized summary of the 2007 NIE.
The IAEA's comprehensive report is a strong indication that US intelligence in 2007 on Iran's nuclear program was based on solid evidence that has not been upended by the latest information. Iran's situation is not static; continuing reevaluation and updated analyses are necessary for any dynamic and professional intelligence process.
Moreover, sharing the information with the public on the conclusions reached is vital to informing ongoing debate. The IAEA deserves credit both for the quality of its analysis and for sharing its expert opinions with the wider public on these critical issues -- particularly since no summary of the latest NIE update has been released.
Pundits and politicians who use the latest IAEA report to attack the 2007 NIE are distorting the information, at best -- and, at worst, are playing politics with national security.
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The upshot of the story is that Iran is either building a bomb or doing absolutely everything they need to assemble one in a matter of weeks or days once all the bits have been created, and the fact that they are working on a delivery system that can essentially reach even the USA means when you play politics with Iranian intentions, or fool yourselves with denial you are gambling with all our lives.
They are saying that proliferation to Iran is a far larger threat to the security of the world than a conventional effort to prevent Iran from getting the bomb and I could not agree more.
Brandon Smith's arguments above, though in some respects cogent with grains of truth sprinkled around is void when he begins the piece with "Let’s be honest, quite a few Americans love a good war, especially those Americans who have never had to bear witness to one first hand. War is the ultimate tribally vicarious experience. Anyone, even pudgy armchair generals with deep-seated feelings of personal inadequacy, can revel in the victories and actions of armies a half a world away as if they themselves stood on the front lines risking possible annihilation at the hands of dastardly cartoon-land “evil doers”."
When your arguments are bullshit you start with a liberal application of tar to those who may disagree with you and this is a classic example, portraying dissenters in the first sentence before he makes point one as war loving fat assed Americans goading and fearing the harmless Snidely Whiplash or Boris and Natasha, when the truth is that I know NOBODY that takes war lightly or looks forward to having to undertake one.
Paragraph two is even worse; still not having made a single point about Iranian nuclear intentions or lack thereof, or addressing the belligerence of that provably terrorist nation (Hamas, Hezbollah) he goes on to make totally certain that any person who might disagree is lambasted, "This attitude of swollen ego through proxy is not limited to the “Right” side of the political spectrum as some might expect. In fact, if the terrifyingly demented presidency of Barack Obama has proven anything so far, it is that elements of the “Left” are just as bloodthirsty as any NeoCon, and just as ready to blindly support the political supremacy of their “side” regardless of any broken promises, abandoned principles, or openly flaunted hypocrisies. No matter how reasonable or irrefutable the arguments against a particular conflict are, there will ALWAYS be a certain percentage of the populace which ignores all logic and barrels forward to cheerlead violent actions which ultimately only benefit a select and elite few."
?So, rational thought and meaningful discussion is already impossible, you agree with him or you have are a swollen ego, bloodthirsty, blind, unprincipled, illogical, unreasonable, hypocrite, and that your actions benefit only some unnamed few elite because as we all know there is no harm to the greater public in Iran having nuclear weapons. WOW! could you not have managed to cram in the puppy killing aspect of people who disagree with you?
?I would be VERY happy if a war with Iran did not happen, but that is predicated upon their total compliance with the NNPT and complete compliance with inspectors. One would have to be the stupidest of commentators to be certain at this point that Iran is not putting into place all the pieces for a nuclear weapon(s) and the means to deliver it, if they are not then given the gravity of the consequences should they be allowed to build such I say the burden of proof that they are not is on them. I do not want war but I will support the decision to stop Iranian nuclear ambitions because if they do get atomic weapons they will use them, either to blackmail the whole world, or directly to incinerate people. That will not be permitted no matter Mr. Smith's extreme bias in the matter.
Sorry, but to someone in the Beltway a report from Ikea would carry more weight.
Oh yeah, because Brandon Smith knows so much more about nuclear physics and geopolitical danger than the consensus journal of the planets' atomic scientists.
But then I had to post this story from them just in case there was even a single intelligent reader interested in reading both sides of the issue, rather than spew their Anti USA religion all over ZH.
Having done my duty I can rest assured that Iran is not going to be allowed a bomb under any circumstances. Though it will not take invading that shit hole of a country to get that accomplished thus invalidating the entire Smith garbage above since the whole bullshit opinion he wrote has to do with invasion of Iran, wholly unnecessary in order to stop their CERTAINLY militarized atomic ambitions.
Yeaaa man.
Hey......is that guy in the lead photo sayin' "Bombs away!" ?
This is alll a scam to keep oil prices high despite a worldwide economic slowdown. Been going on for ages......
bingo
Double bingo.
Check below just posted on ZH twitter feed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/20/us-saudi-shiites-statement-idUSTRE81J15E20120220
I don't even read Million Dollar Boner's posts anymore I just quickly click on the downward red triangle. It saves me the disgust.
Hey, don't look at the profit taking that's started across the board. Pay no attention to the outflows of cash.
If you think, "sell in May, go away" will apply this year, you're missing "run as fast as you can in March, or get torched".
Re. ...it doesn’t matter whether you think invasion (of Iran) is a good idea or not. We simply CANNOT afford it. America is bankrupt.
You have it the wrong way around: it is precisely because America is bankrupt that the war drums are beating. Like the scoundrel loser at the poker table in one of those old Westerns, rather than paying-up & shuffling off outta Dodge, he overturns the tables & starts shooting. Too bad for the USA that the villain always gets his - in spades.
Then again, in the eyes of the elite, America was never more than a temporary construct to use as a global lever to further THEIR agenda. Well, they have one last errand for the ol' gal to run: kicking-off the Global SuperBowl of Death & Destruction - aka WW3. And then it's pull-the-plug time on the Ol' US of A.
Shouldn't be too long now - enjoy the show.
I am atraight as an arrow and yet I want to give you a big kiss on the lips for that analogy
Iran....I remember the kidnapping of Americans in '79, I thought "that is uncivil", to attack an embassy, to kidnap diplomats is the height of barbarism. They would have to pay someday. Now they have these kooks running the place, mean kooks at that. None the less I am suspicious of the calls for war. The loss of an unbiased media leaves us with 'picking a team and rooting for it' rather than a sensible discourse on the best way to handle Iran. I smell Iraq in the reasoning for war with Iran. I'd like to see them dealt justice for their past acts but I remain unconvinced that a war with them is truly called for. We are loosing our own civilzation rapidly as our economy, our currency and our ability to get truthful information declines. Our future looks bleak. I do not see leaders who have the nations best interests at heart.
Spain wants its Gold back:
Spain sending military planes to retrieve treasure Spain sending military planes to US to retrieve tons of treasurehttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/spain-sending-military-planes-retrieve-170...
How do you say 'barbaric" in espanol?
Great read sir, thank you very much.
This article reminds me very clearly of something that struck me the other day as being very real. Recently I've had the opportunity to meet a few younger people from Iran... or as they prefer to call it, "Persia". One of them is a young fellow (maybe 23) who is very, very outgoing and friendly. A big good looking kid with a great grasp of the English language but with a heavy accent. He has never been seen without a big and genuine smile on his face. He's just a joy to know to be honest. The other is a young lady, maybe 26ish. Good looking? Holy smokes, don't even get me started... yeah, she's gorgeous. Needless to say, she'd be an even greater joy to know.
Anyway, neither one of them is the slightest bit concerned about a war. I was shocked to hear that. They have absolutely no concern for two reasons: a) they hate the administration of their own country with such a passion that they'd love to see them perish and b) they are very confident that Israel and the USA are way, way off base by underestimating how determined (and 'capable') ancient Persia will be in defending itself. The young man explained that even though the people hate their own administration, they do not hate Persia. They love Persia... just as Americans love their own country and the Italians love Italy. And why shouldn't they? That's natural! Good for them!
But the most ominous take-away I got from that conversation is how he described the way the Iranian people would react to being attacked. With the mindset of all being proud descendants of ancient Persia, the moment they're attacked, all smiles would come off their faces, all arguments about their own administration would cease, and as one, their eyes would all suddenly turn to gaze toward the enemy. That's a scary thought because we're not talking about the Kuwaiti army here. And to make matters even worse, they don't think they deserve to be attacked. That would just make them twice as mad. It would me too.
http://youtu.be/JlSQAZEp3PA Dr. Strangelove: Major Kong Rides The Bomb
US believes Israelis won't go it alone, because they can't.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/152941
To quote an elliquent US General, "Ah, Nuts". Who are you kidding. We get zero oil from Iran. Why haven't our Nat gas prices spiked now that Japan and Germany, etc. moving electical power production over to gas. The reason is that there is plenty of it. We have got plenty of oil and this is all scare mongering. The US is not going to invade Iran, we don't have to. They know if they deploy a nuclear warhead they will get hammered. There are alot of Iranians who hate the regime, but most believe the country has a right to nuclear power and I suspect nuclear weapons simply based on the fact that Israel has tactical nuclear weapons. However, we will simply destroy their economy if they don't cooperate. There is too much at stake. Just think if we didn't go into Iraq and Afghanistan and India, Pak, Iran, Iraq and Syria all had ICBMs or tactical nukes. A 9 year old could look at a map and tell you the strategic likely outcomes. Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey would all want bombs. You think the Greeks have been coddled and subsidized up to now, guess how much millitary hardware they would be sending Greeces way if Syria and Turkey had nukes. This is not 1776, it is 2012 in a post modern nuclear age. I don't like the Russians much, other than Ann V., but I am sure as hell more comfortable with us and the russians being the only major players on the block. The more players, the more variables and wow will the calculus get dicey. Prior to the 2001 delta, the Indians and Iranians had a strategic pact that would allow the Indians to attack PAK from the west. So much for religion... And see what happens, we help make India prosperous...build them 10s of billions in infrastructure, tell their children they are smart and have the US middle class pay to give their middle-upper class tax funded educations and jobs at our expense. I have already shown that religion has nothing to do with this, so you would think the Persion people would be banging on their governments door saying we want some of that. But hey, the people who control their country know we won't let them in the WTO and allow them to still throw rocks at womens heads and they will have to understand that yes the sun did kind of set on their culture shortly after the copper age.
Wars should have to be fought by the children of the governing political party at the time of said war.
It would be pretty quite on the war mongering.
"...they decide and the shotgun sings the song."
Thanks for the History lesson but how does this explain the distruction of Isreal....
The US won't invade Iran. Rather there might be airstrikes, or more low-level semi-secret attacks.
The critical political thing is that the window for Israel to attack closes before the end of this year. Iran is accelerating concealment of its nuclear program. The window for the US to attack extends into 2013 or 2014, but not for Israel.
Iran's program is not a figment of someone's imagination. It's been the main strategic fact in the Middle East for the last 7 or 8 years. Unfortunately, the US decided to ignore a real threat, in favor of an imaginary threat in Iraq.
The critical economic thing is to watch the interplay between a possible QE3 and a possible attack on Iran. For Obama, the ultimate nightmare is an Israeli attack in the fall, with a QE3 already pumping up oil prices starting in the late spring or summer. WTI might surpass in $150 in that case, making a late-in-the-year recession likely. Oil prices were a main tipping factor in summer 2008, as recession became more likely.
Unfortunately, the US decided to ignore a real threat, in favor of an imaginary threat in Iraq.
Or have we? Maybe Iraq and Afghanistan are only coincidentally occupied with western troops inside their borders, maybe not such a coincidence since it leaves Iran essentially encircled either by us or our allies or nations we occupy in war, or neighbors that are more or less militarily neutral but who want to see an atomic Iran even less than we do.
This could well have been in the planning since 1981 when Iranians committed the ultimate diplomatic sin in attacking our embassy, violating US soil and holding the embassy staff hostage, an act of war in the first degree. I will remind readers that Raygun was REALLY royally further pissed off at Iran when Shia (Iranian Islam) backed factions in Lebanon blew up our Marine barracks there in 1983. More than three hundred American mostly and French troops killed or seriously wounded.
As to the discussion earlier up the thread about bad days on the battlefied, the Battle of the Somme was probably the worst, total casualties along the 12 mile front were 1,088,007 men, with the British alone seeing more than 57,000 casualties on the first day of fighting, the deepest penetration into German lines was 7 miles.
Nearing the Endgame? Barry X is ordered to overthrow all Arab governments and replace the leadership with the Muslim Brotherhood. The world of Islam rises, and, in perhaps the last thesis/anithesis/synthesis, WW3 reupts between Islam and the West. In their bunkers, the Elites await the cooling off of the radioactivity and emerge to raise their 1 World Rule from the ashes of war over the millions who survived the destruction. Destitute, needing assistance, they accept the Chip and the slavery of their Overlords.....
yeah! I always knew it was them mooslims!
are you by chance a ghost writer for newt gingrich?
It is not about Israel (at least, not the Israeli people).
It's about "that regime" in that Khomeini quote by A'nejad.
The sephardi schlemiel is missile fodder and the billionaire elite is buying farmland in New Zealand.
From OIO figures: in the last 5 years, the top [NZ farmland] buyers were the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Australia and Israel. The United States had 194 purchases for a total of 193,208ha., Israel 51.000ha
War! It's Faaaaaantastic!
great article.