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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

Counterfeit Money, Counterfeit Policy

What is the difference between printing money and counterfeiting? There is none.

Counterfeiting is illegal because it is the false creation of value. The counterfeiter takes low-value paper and turns it into high-value money, which is fundamentally a claim on the real productive value of the economy that issues the currency and recognizes it as a proxy means of exchanging that productive value.

Counterfeiting is illegal because the counterfeiter creates no additional value--he creates only the proxy for value. Creating real value--adding meaningful goods or services to the economy--is tedious, hard work. How much easier to simply transform near-worthless paper into a claim on actual goods and services.

If this is illegal, then would somebody please arrest the Board of the Federal Reserve for counterfeiting? The Fed has blatantly printed money without creating any real value to back up their added claims on productive value. Hence they are counterfeiting, pure and simple. A government based on rule of law would arrest these fraudsters and cons at the earliest possible convenience.

And while you're drawing up the indictment, can you also charge them with counterfeiting competence and policy, as they have demonstrated the Peter Principle par excellence: the Board has risen to its highest level of incompetence. Their counterfeit policies have wreaked incomparable damage on the real productive economy.

The essence of counterfeit policy--a fake policy that claims to be something it is not--is "extend and pretend." And the sole goal of "extend and pretend" is self-preservation and the preservation of the Financial Elite which has tightened its grip on the nation's throat as a direct consequence of Federal Reserve policies--notably "extend and pretend."

"Extend and pretend" extends the "too big to fail" Financial Sector's licence to mask its insolvency and its licence to continue issuing debt, leverage and derivatives under false pretences, i.e. that the risk and market value of these instruments are transparent. They are not.

In effect, the banks are also counterfeiters, as they are issuing debt--a claim on future productive value--without adding any actual value to the economy.

Thus the Fed and the Financial Sector are both diluting the base of actual real value with ever-expanding claims on real productive value by printing money and issuing debt. If an economy creates 100 units of productive value, and issues 100 units of currency as a proxy claim on that value to be used as a means of exchange, then there is a 1-to-1 correspondence with the money claim on productive value and the actual value.

If someone prints another 100 units of money and starts buying assets with that money, then they are claiming 1 unit of money still equals 1 unit of production though they have debased the currency so that it actually takes 2 units of money to represent 1 unit of productive value.

This is a con of the first order, which is why counterfeiting is illegal. If counterfeiting is illegal because it is a con, a fraudulent claim on real goods, services and assets, then how can money printing by the Fed (a private bank, mind you) be legal?

It can only be legal in a kleptocracy ruled by a Financial Elite bent on political and financial dominance, a Plutocracy whose wealth is all skimmed from the productive economy via ever-expanding issuance of money and debt.

When corporations and the State are one, we call it fascism. In the U.S., it has taken the form of financial fascism, and the Federal Reserve and Federal agencies (Treasury, Freddie Mac, FHA, etc.) are the handlers and enablers of this kleptocratic financial fascism. They add no value, they only steal value from those who create it.

 

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Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:04 | 2113159 arnaldo
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Countefeiting is better as it creates something tangible, the Fed instead does not create anything real......

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:07 | 2113171 Clueless Economist
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Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:10 | 2113187 Careless Whisper
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Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:16 | 2113208 spiral_eyes
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When governments get into counterfeiting, other governments will punish them for it. In the end, even the hegemon's actions will have consequences.

Putin and Wen are kicking the dollar off its perch.

http://azizonomics.com/2012/01/27/the-shape-of-eurasia/ 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:33 | 2113267 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Yes they are, but they are replacing the dollar with yuan and ruble, so what is the difference?  It's all fiat....

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:47 | 2113325 A Lunatic
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One man's fiat is another man's treasure.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:07 | 2113395 SilverIsKing
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"A government based on rule of law would arrest these fraudsters and cons at the earliest possible convenience."

They're getting to it.  They just haven't found a convenient time to do so.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:15 | 2113420 Badabing
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I “vote” against the counterfeiters by buying physical gold and silver!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:30 | 2113473 The Big Ching-aso
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FIAT..................Fix It Again Timmy?

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:59 | 2113568 JW n FL
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Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:45 | 2113721 TruthInSunshine
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"The international bankers have succeeded in doing more than just controlling the money supply. Today they actually create the money supply, while making it appear to be created by the government. This devious scheme was revealed by Sir Josiah Stamp, director of the Bank of England and the second richest man in Britain in the 1920s. Speaking at the University of Texas in 1927, he dropped this bombshell":

The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin . . . . Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. . . . Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. . . . But, if you want to continue to be the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit.3

Web of Debt - Introduction

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 17:36 | 2114311 economics1996
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Here is an excellent article by Joseph Salerno giving a brief description of the process of central bank theft.  For those who are serious financial guys with IQs over 110 I would highly recommend his book "Sound and Unsound Money."

http://mises.org/daily/377

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 17:37 | 2114315 economics1996
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Here is a link to the book, for serious students of finance.

http://www.amazon.com/Money-Sound-Unsound-Joseph-Salerno/dp/1933550937

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 19:11 | 2114631 TruthInSunshine
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The size of the black/gray market, with transactions taking place outside of officially measured channels, grows by the day, globally.

The black market is estimated to be the 2nd largest economy in the world, after the combined economic output/transactional activity of that of all of the EU Zone Members.

I would not be surprised if it were larger.

As The Bernank and his herd thinkers/fractional reserve charlatans keep suppressing organic, free market forces and dynamism, the black market will only grow larger.

You can buy things 1/2 off in European cities if you agree to not take a receipt, and to pay in cash, right now.

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:07 | 2114815 monoloco
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It's tough freeing up the manpower with all those dangerous pot growers in California that need to be prosecuted.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 17:25 | 2114267 pkea
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not all fiats made the same....one fiat could be more valuable than another:)

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 17:57 | 2114383 economics1996
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I hear our paper stock is better than Mexico's.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:38 | 2113288 General Decline
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Wait a minute.... Is this article saying that counterfeiting laws are selectivly enforced?  So there are two tiers of people in America?  Those who are allowed to counterfeit and those who cannot?  I am personally shocked at this revelation.

Ok...enough sarcasm.  What is depressing to me is when I try to explain this simple concept to others, all I usually get are blank stares. 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:45 | 2113316 Vampyroteuthis ...
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You forgot the golden rule, "He who has the gold makes the rules". You have the money and power, you can make counterfeiting legal for yourselves and cronies. Ugly truth.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:03 | 2113369 ratso
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Charles Smith doesn't understand the responsibilities of the Fed - oh yes, I almost forgot, he also doesn't know what he is talking about.  It's too bad that there are so many gullible minds that think this kind of crap has some meaning.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:17 | 2113428 NotApplicable
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You fo' reals?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 17:58 | 2114392 economics1996
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I am more amazed every day how well propaganda works.  

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:04 | 2113380 Bluntly Put
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See, this is what I don't get. They hold the gold as do all central banks in order to control it's price and eliminate its circulation in the economy to function as money. This allows them a monopoly on "value". So, their "value" is debt, and yet they can seemingly issue as much debt as they deem necessary. So, if they can issue as much debt as they want, and scarcity is a fundamental variable in "value" then where is the value in debt?

Essentially they are all con men, our civilization has been conned by illuisionists and magicians of the highest order. Who would have thought over thousands of years of human evolution that the con men would end up controlling the world. Hah! Con men only have value when they can con others who have the real value, so if con men have the value who do they con to steal the value?

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:07 | 2113392 Esculent 69
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you should see the blank stares i get when trying to explain with graphs that 30% of the tax burden is paid for by the top 1%, or the difference between earned income and capital gains.  I might as well be giving a dissertation on quantum physics and explaining fractal equations. All i get from them is "Yes we can. Hope and Change. It's all Bush's fault" crap. 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:29 | 2113224 Ghordius
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a sovereign's right to coin is not called counterfeiting, it's called seigneurage

a sovereign's right to inflate fiat currency is just a tax on the holders of the fiat currency (by the way, this affects foreigners more than US citizens)

this is all part of international law since ages

counterfeiting involves breaking the law - you can't claim now the illegality of a system that in the US is 100 years old next year

the crux of the matter is that the handlers of the legal/financial extraction system are enriching themselves in the process. for this, there is also a word: corruption

and no, it's not fascism. call it a corrupt cleptocracy or a depraved crony-capitalistic system, but don't call it fascism. fascism is perhaps much worse, but still different

for corruption: apply the existing laws

for the derivatives market - the biggest sham in this - bring back online the old laws

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:37 | 2113283 GeneMarchbanks
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'and no, it's not fascism.'

Here's a Koestler quote: “...the integrative tendencies of the individual are incomparably more dangerous than his self-assertive tendencies.”

As that great man understood, wars are fought over words. If you define fascism as a compulsive collectivist movement, which it is, then it just becomes a question of where you draw the line. DO we have something similar to Mussolini? Maybe, or not. Who is to say? To keep the word in reserve like it is some boogeyman, is a terrible mistake in my opinion.


Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:54 | 2113546 Ghordius
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I disagree strongly (and perhaps melodrammatically)

history shows that every political body can fall ill, from time to time. to keep up the medical analogy, in order to heal itself early, it has to correctly diagnose the problem, in this case corruption, similar to infection. only then you can cure it without getting to the stage of a fever - which can be fascism, among others.

as doctors study the different illnesses of the body, the elector has a duty/right to educate himself and others, or suffer tyranny

I think the Founding Fathers would agree with me - I could go on for pages on this

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:12 | 2113615 GeneMarchbanks
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You can soften the language if you wish, certainly it appears to be a solution for mitigating aggression. My suggestion is to read the Black Swan of Cairo by Taleb on his site. A roadblock for the Empire is now slowly turning into an insurmountable brick wall. From now on it'll be a series of crises for the West that I know for a fact few are foreseeing. Genuine problems are going to be met with complacency and clumsiness and collectivist groups will promise rescue which will probably turn violent at some stage. This so called democracy has in fact been trending in uniformity for some time now and if you identify these: corporatism, expansionism, state propaganda and anti-socialism as fascist, then yes, use the word in a free manner. The above mentioned are to my view not only obvious but blatant.

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:41 | 2113712 CompassionateFascist
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Socialism  is (Red) Fascism, you stupid F**k.  

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:49 | 2113731 GeneMarchbanks
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No. There is a contrast. Both are a reaction to capitalism.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 16:37 | 2113986 Ghordius
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Oh. No, I don't try to soften anything. perhaps it's really only this: while lots of fascist regimes end collectivist, they usually don't start collectivist-as-such, only restrictive in personal and economic liberties because the political body feels some individuals had too many freedoms - the corrupt ones.

the fascist regime is the call for a strong hand that cares, and cleans/symplifies the mess the corruption made - answers the call for help that the socialists and communists also try to cater to.

first freedom, then corruption of freedom, then revulsion, then the path can go to red-collectivist or/and switch to black-restrictive, then revulsion, then freedom again.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 16:53 | 2114121 Ghordius
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I'll make a practical example: on the way to fascism, the political will of the supporting group solidifies, for lack of a better term. the party doctrine gets fixed and the leaders will not be questioned anymore. this leads to extreme faction/party discipline. Laws become shorter, lobbyism is strongly simplified, special interests have to take a step back. political pork is usually given by the leadership, exclusively. it's all about action, not words. It's about not having discussions anymore, with some draconian measures for those that are identified as the former corruption.

of course this is not describing how bad it becomes afterwards

Russia is going through it, Hungary is sliding into it, but of course we have also all the usuals like Syria, Iran, etc. etc.

the US of A are not there, it's still about corruption

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:44 | 2114921 nmewn
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"...history shows that every political body can fall ill, from time to time. to keep up the medical analogy, in order to heal itself early, it has to correctly diagnose the problem, in this case corruption, similar to infection. only then you can cure it without getting to the stage of a fever - which can be fascism, among others."

Its my understanding that fascism AND socialism AND comminism spring from one warped vision.

A statist vision.

Fascism just tried to skip over the whole "communal" thing. But as history has showed (and is showing now) they all ultimately lead to one place.

Enslavement of the masses instead of the liberation of them.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 03:38 | 2115686 Ghordius
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"history has showed (...) they all ultimately lead to one place" - might be, I'm focussing on where they start

"Enslavement of the masses..." - I fully agree

on the statist vision, I disagree. very often you have fascists fighting socialists/communists exactly on the this point, and the fascists usually collect the approval of the masses that are against the statist vision

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 07:31 | 2115800 nmewn
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Right.

My point is, the people shouldn't allow themselves to be seduced from the start by them. 

Both systems (as envisioned) end in the same place, always. Its not because they were done wrong. Or that fallible men tried to make them work but being fallible couldn't. Its that both are wrong for the free man. And men are meant to be free.

You are correct that socialists/communists and fascists are in a perpetual state of war with each other.  But its rather like two brothers fighting over the last slice of pie at the dinner table isn't it?

Both will fight to exhaustion or death over something neither one of them put any effort whatsoever into making and neither of them will be around in the long run to clean up the mess they made ;-)

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 15:25 | 2116631 GoinFawr
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Your denial is an ugly thing, 'last year's man' that you are.

Eg.  Jesse's Cafe American sums it up:

"Faced with the risk and rigor of 'free markets' and the drive to zero economic profit through increasing competition, there is the impulse to create monopolies, manipulate prices, and control information to line one's pockets.

It is the natural tendency for clever people to stretch the rules and even break them to gain an advantage over other participants. This is what makes the idea of the natural efficiency of free market systems so laughable. They work fine as long as there are no people involved in them. Freedom and justice take hard work and dedication, and are not the natural state of the world.

This is a basic principle of transactional systems, whether ownership resides in the capital or the labor end of the equation. It explains the quicker failure of state communism since it concentrated power in the corruptible few from the start rather than dispersing it more widely in 'the market.' It is the government of the few versus the government of the many. The one percent are the one percent, no matter the color of their flags."

And just in case that didn't paint enough of a picture for you,
Walmartism illustrates nicely what always happens to your pipedream, regardless. 

In my opinion, you're likely a low level bank minion, ironically ext(r)olling the supposed virtues of their 'deregulation' under the guise of a proponent for 'liberty'.  You use all the same outdated, easily refuted arguments they do anyway.

hahaha, I've got you and your team of fluffers working double time these days, 'spreading the myth'. But you just can't alter this,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/may/27/debt-deficit-oecd-countries-data

facts are so darn stubborn...

Time again for you to close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears and scream,

"The stars at night, are big and bright..." <clap!clap!clap!clap!>

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 20:09 | 2118347 nmewn
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Well, well well, if it isn't my favorite trollish "man/woman/it without a country".

Sooo, you comin outta the closet here as a fascist or a communist? Or some sort of amalgamation of the two because neither have ever worked out in totality?...perhaps a "progressive"?...lol.

I would think its some sort of blended nonsense involving the state heavilly...but I also know you hate to put yourself out there with any sort of program, as then, you would have to explain its faults & virtues.

Much better to stand back, acting omnipotent, while taking pot shots at something that hasn't existed for generations. Yes?

So, now, please enlighten this wholly unworthy peon observer of society & economics that now finds himself groveling in your divine presence. What is the best system as it relates to the betterment of the human condition in your opinion?

Try not to strain yourself but, give me the country or economic system that puts all others to shame. My money is on the fact you won't or can't...prove me wrong GF.

As an aside, what the fuck is GoinFawr anyways?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:45 | 2119149 GoinFawr
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" you comin outta the closet here as a fascist or a communist?"

Your political spectrum is so narrow that to you that's anyone who doesn't happen to worship the delusional world of capital shitting unicorns that only ever existed in you and your ilks' heavily conditioned domes.

"Much better to stand back, acting omnipotent, while taking pot shots at something that hasn't existed for generations"

You mean when there were still indigenous populations left to be 'flushed out of their dens'; their lands and resources yet to be plundered? Before the Great Lakes of North America were poisoned by the likes of you who assured us that 'dilution is the solution' and any and all civil oversight was unnecessary? Yeah, those were great expansionist times in NA, if you happened to be light skinned and willing to murder and steal, or profit from them. Again, the fantasyland you envision never existed.

"So, now, please enlighten this wholly unworthy peon observer of society & economics that now finds himself groveling in your divine presence. What is the best system as it relates to the betterment of the human condition in your opinion? Try not to strain yourself but, give me the country or economic system that puts all others to shame. My money is on the fact you won't or can't...prove me wrong GF. "

Well now, I've provided examples on many occasions. It must be a 'strain' for you to be so wilfully ignorant, and actually expect me to believe that you missed all of them. Cripes, on this very page I've already linked some excellent cases. So I don't see the point in repeating myself on that subject any further as you're obviously incapable of processing new information.  Rest assured that I've already proven you wrong, time and time again.

"I would think its some sort of blended nonsense involving the state heavilly (sic)"

Of course you would write that in order to negatively preface anything I might introduce.  You couldn't possibly cling to your ridiculous pipedream if you didn't, even though it's really a 'blend' itself. An ideology which, ironically, inevitably involves the state 'heavilly', as Marx was absolutely correct in pointing out. I mean, look the fuck around you. And no, I don't think he had the solution. Balance isn't 'nonsense', judging by the balance sheets. But your sophomoric absolutism sure as hell is.

"As an aside, what the fuck is GoinFawr anyways?"  Hehe, my that's rich coming from you 'nmewn'; which makes a nice case in point.

Thanks for the chuckle, tex.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 08:06 | 2119377 nmewn
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"Well now, I've provided examples on many occasions."

Just as I wagered. You won't or can't provide the economy or country that puts all others to shame. You cannot articulate in your own words what or where it is. And you know I don't click on links of those I do not trust, that would be you. Which "ironically" has much to do with economy and ideology.

But this is a diamond in the rough we will have to explore fully if you feel up to it when I return from work this evening...

"An ideology which, ironically, inevitably involves the state 'heavilly', as Marx was absolutely correct in pointing out."

How so? Which part of his Manifesto are you referring...all of it?...lol.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 08:28 | 2119385 Ghordius
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so all it all, beside a sprinkle of unnecessary ad hominem vs mnwn, you agree with me on corruption of a regulated market (since I read Jesse's POV as postulating that unregulated markets are quite illusionary) in a decaying rule-by-law legal environment being the starting point of of troubles that lead to a reaction in fascist/communist paradigms?

I understand mnwn is following the Austrian School of the free market between free agents - you seem to point to the fact that when the agents have a massive difference in market power/size you can kiss goodby to "free market". Am I wrong? And I thought your were kindred-in-spirit.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 20:12 | 2121732 nmewn
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GowinFawr's position is...far as I can tell, if I were to sell you an apple it must be reported to the state or even if I gave you an apple it must be reported to the state.

Regulation of any and all seems to be key to her/his world view.

But of course, its hard to tell what any of her/his positions are as he/she refuses to take one, in my opinion GoinFawr's position is just simply a collectivist-statist one.

You should ask her/him the simple question of where it calls home.

It will act like you just ran over its puppy...lol. Unlike the rest of us, who freely share at least what continent we live on, GoinFawr refuses even that.

For reasons of its own, which is fine, but it certainly subtracts something to the element of trust. Which is why I don't click on any link offered by him/her...as I said above.

Yes, I'm a fiscal conservative and libertarian for the most part socially. I believe the Austrian School is the proper way to view an economy as it is the participants (the individuals) in it that make any economy.

Not the state.

This does not mean un-regulated economy because individuals make up an economy...and we know people are full of the same greeds along with the goodwill & charity that is...the individual. Just as it does not mean using the power of the state to force an economy in its policy direction...which leads to cronyism, taxpayer subsidized solar and ethanol is the classic example of the opposite of a private monopoly, for example.

At any rate, glad you stuck around to find, perhaps, a more kindred spirit ;-)

Seeya

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:32 | 2114599 akak
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Ghordius said:

 

Ghordius, I am not trying to pick on you here, as your English is generally excellent, but you make a very common mistake among non-native English speakers here with your above use of the word "since".  One can NOT properly, or logically, use in English the word "since" as you did above in reference to past time --- it makes no sense.  What you should say is "FOR" instead of since, or "since (a specific time in the past)", or "since ages AGO", as follows:

This has all been part of international law for ages

This has all been part of international law since the Middle Ages

This has all been part of international law since ages ago

 

You might want to look into the use of the English word "ago" in reference to past time, in particular --- I have noted that many non-native English speakers have a lot of difficulty with the use of "ago" for some strange reason.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 03:41 | 2115688 Ghordius
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thanks

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:27 | 2113439 DoChenRollingBearing
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Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:21 | 2113222 BLOTTO
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You can't counterfeit Gold or Silver... Ive tried.

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:35 | 2113276 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Funny....that is exactly what the Federal Reserve has done for 99 years.  The alchemists dream was completed when true fiat replaced real monie internationally in '71.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:47 | 2113320 BLOTTO
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MrLH,

Wouldnt that be considered more as - manipulation and lies?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:18 | 2113436 NotApplicable
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When reality relies upon perception, bias is just as good as fact, if not better.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:38 | 2113290 Silver Bug
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All Fiat money is counterfeit money.

http://silverliberationarmy.blogspot.com/

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:31 | 2113476 Esculent 69
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When tshtf we can have battles at all the football, baseball, and hockey arenas around the country where the banksters are the gladiators and the former althletes/criminals can be the lions and we'll all eat cake while waiting for this futher mucker to burn. BYOP (bring your own pot)

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:32 | 2113266 evolutionx
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at the end of the day everything is Countefeiting

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:57 | 2113353 Zero Govt
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Yep The Fed has indeed 'magic'd' alchemy but the real problem is it's a monopoly (on money)

without the free market (ie. no rules whatsoever) and the massively beneficial competition mechanism anything and everything turns to steaming crap

our world is being pissed down a sewer by monopolies in every market sector and Govt (an institutional monopoly that promotes/props-up/protects all other monopolies)

Kill Govt: the rest will sort itself out with immediate (beneficial) effect

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:04 | 2113379 Island_Dweller
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Arnaldo says: Countefeiting is better as it creates something tangible, the Fed instead does not create anything real......

 

True, but also true is that with counterfeiting we don't have to pay interest on the printed money!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:17 | 2113427 Esculent 69
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Just print your own money at home. When the feds come to your door just tell them you are engaging in monetary policy. 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:35 | 2113692 CompassionateFascist
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Arrest a Rothschild? Even the Nazis didn't dare that one. Still, one can hope.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 17:01 | 2114162 Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhldj52ZuUU

 

Coinage Act of 1792 FTW...  Execute the Fed!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:05 | 2113163 JacksNight
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Hello,

If you’re looking to overthrow our current tyrants I thought I’d share with you an excellent program to help Dr. Paul get elected.  It’s called the phone from home program.  The campaign has been using it to collect data on potential voters and help GOTV.  Also, if you live in NYC, there is a physical phone bank center located at 178 Mott St. open every day of the week.  Below is the link for the program and a video with further explanation.  This is a great system and I hope you all will take some time to make calls for the good Dr.  Sorry for the spam Tyler.

JacksNight

phone.ronpaul2012.com/v/

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVzjGH5QGiI

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:05 | 2113165 Spitzer
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Global warming and carbon credits have been a  keynesian scheme all along..

http://freegoldobserver.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00...

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:08 | 2113177 Clueless Economist
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AlGore and myself disagree with you.

--P. Krugman Nobel Winner

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:27 | 2113247 Spitzer
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There is nothing to dissagree with. They say it themselves

Poor you...having a nobel in keynesian economics just means you know nothing about real econimics

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:35 | 2113275 e_goldstein
Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:37 | 2113286 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Somone tell Paul his "prize" does not say "Nobel" on it.

Prize in Economic Sciences:

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:05 | 2113381 Urban Roman
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Don't you have some windows to go break?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:17 | 2113210 LawsofPhysics
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ah yes, because the keynesians have been sooo good at manipulating eCONomies all around the world, they have become even better at manipulating Nature as well.  Riiiiggggghhhhtt.

Thanks, but I'll maintain a healthy dose of respect for Mother Nature just the same and insure my own sources of fresh water, arable land, and other essential nutrients, again, thanks just the same.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:03 | 2113374 Jason_1sandal
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with protecting the enviroment, taxing carbon dioxide is a completely different matter. It is a hoax and a scam. I would be more concerned about the patch of garbage the size of Texas in the Pacific and the collapse of Bee colonies.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 18:39 | 2114543 r00t61
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+1.

There's a big difference in protecting against actual wanton pollution, like throwing batteries in the ocean, or dumping motor oil down the sewer, and fake, politically-created environmental boogeymen like anthropogenic "climate change," which are really just covert schemes to control people and tax them.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:06 | 2113167 moroots
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But fascism can't happen here, this is America!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:12 | 2113178 HamyWanger
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Charles Hughes Smith is a very dangerous conspiracy theorist, identified positively in the last ADL report. 

I'm horrified that ZeroHedge purposely reproduces here his demented rumblings, namely, conspiracy theories that central bankers are "out to get us", or conspiracy theories that the Federal Reserve is some sort of "front" for a secretive banking cabal wanting to increase their wealth and not a honest and indispensable government institution. 

Tyler, you sure put some interesting things sometimes, but you open way too much your Guest Posts to the fringe of the fringe. It is starting to harm the reputation of your site.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:13 | 2113198 lolmao500
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Ah the precious ADL... there's so much wrong with them I won't even begin.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:23 | 2113227 HamyWanger
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According to a survey directed by the Southern Poverty Law Center in 2006, the few Americans who oppose the actions of the ADL in protecting minorities tend to be, overwhelmingly, trailer park, low-brow white trash. Well, I think we have found a new subject to add to the sample. 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:27 | 2113461 lolmao500
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Same goes for the SPLC. Same trash as the ADL. They should be arrested and deported to Israel.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:09 | 2113603 ATM
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Sounds like a bunch of racist trash. 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:24 | 2113663 moroots
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This just in: According to a survey conducted by Hyper-political Group A, opponents of like-minded Hyper-political Group B are racists.

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:47 | 2113730 CompassionateFascist
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SPLC=$PLC. A gang of scamming lawyer Jews with $250 million on Wall St.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:15 | 2113205 Clueless Economist
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Arab Defense League?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:22 | 2113228 Dr. Engali
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ADL= All Damn Liars

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:25 | 2113243 mvsjcl
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Hamy, I'm not sure if your posts deserve an up or down arrow.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:15 | 2113621 americanspirit
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But Hamy - Tyler allows your demented rumblings from the fringe of the fringe that I'm sure do far more to lower the tone of this site than anything Charles Hughes Smith writes.

Wait - oh my god - you mean the central banks aren' t out to get us? That I've been duped! That the the Fed and Goldman Sachs and Citi and JP Morgue and the others are my friends? Good lord - and all this time I thought they were the bad guys. Now the veil has been lifted and the truth revealed. Thank you for cleansing my poor troubled mind Hamy. Please keep posting and raising the level of discourse on this poor, pathetic website.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:20 | 2113648 americanspirit
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This just posted by Mish - the list of Best Alternative Blogs. Where art thou Oh Hamy? (Gosh - I see "Of Two Minds" in there. How could that be?)

Best Alternative Blogs

  1. The first slide is the above block quoted (indented)  text.
  2. DealBreaker;
  3. Business Insider
  4. Zero Hedge
  5. The Money Illusion
  6. Mish’s Global Economic Trend Analysis
  7. Credit Writedowns
  8. Of Two Minds
  9. Naked Capitalism
  10. The Big Picture
  11. Calculated Risk
  12. The Reformed Broker
  13. The Epicurean Dealmaker
  14. Pragmatic Capitalism
  15. Economonitor's Edward Hugh
  16. Ludwig von Mises Institute
  17. Minyanville
  18. Abnormal Returns
  19. Distressed Debt Investing
Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:28 | 2113672 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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At least he put ZH ahead of his own.  But Business Insider ahead of ZH?  And what the hell is DealBreaker?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:36 | 2113700 victor82
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Jesus, Jeb Bush's cousin, John Ellis Bush, edits Business Insider.

Alternative, my Bohemian Grove ass.

I'm waiting on those clowns for their Romney endorsement. They're taking their damn time.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:49 | 2113734 STP
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Ah yes, many good alternatives and I've perused quite a few of them.  Allow me to add Prudent Bear.  I've been reading Doug Noland's excellent commentary and market analysis for many years and he's got it right on!  It is always well thought out and a great read.

http://prudentbear.com/

Excerpt from Doug Noland's weekly commentary "Credit Bubble Bulletin"

"The Fed has for years operated with the premise that aggressive “Keynesian” stimulus has been necessary to stabilize a system hamstrung by post-Bubble headwinds.  I’ve for as many years argued that the problem was being dangerously misdiagnosed.  From my perspective, it has been much more a case of ongoing misguided “inflationism” sustaining history’s greatest Credit Bubble..."

"Most Bubble analysis focuses on valuation:  “A Bubble is created when prices move beyond that which is supported by underlying fundamentals.”  Again, my framework is altogether different:  A Credit Bubble is about a mispricing (under-pricing) of finance.  This mispricing supports the over-issuance of debt instruments.  And, importantly, Credit Inflation is self-reinforcing, in that the associated increase in purchasing power bolsters the fundamental factors central to the bullish premise.  Credit excess begets Credit excess.  Tech stocks always looked cheap compared to earnings growth rates, and the greater the mania in tech-related equity and debt securities the greater the capacity for industry expansion to justify ever increasing industry price-to-earnings ratios and stock prices..."

 

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:49 | 2113735 americanspirit
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So after venting against HamyWanker in my last two posts I took a lunch break and was sitting outside enjoying a beautiful Texas afternoon (oxymoron to be sure) and was suddenly struck by THE TRUTH.

I will now share that revelation. Hamy is just too perfect an asshole. He embodies every one of the points of view that most here on ZH understand are the ramblings of a truely demented mind from WAY on the other side of the universe. In fact, if he didn't exist as the embodiment of everything loathesome he would have to be invented, by Tyler, to keep the troops riled up. That's it, isn't it Tyler? There is no Hamy. He is you. That's so perfect dude - you have outdone yourself! You have created the guy we all love to hate and planted him right in the middle of things. Congratulations. Master move.

Gotcha. I think.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 16:32 | 2113974 viahj
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the same has been said of RobotTrader

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 18:18 | 2114481 akak
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And has been, by myself and others.

Or, might Hamy merely be a continuation of the repulsive trolling of his ostensible forebearer, "HarryWanger" (a.k.a. James Kostorhyz), continuing the latter's work in soliciting enraged anti-Establishment comments as part of his ongoing cynical study of "the psychology of utopian permabears"?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:09 | 2113181 lolmao500
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The Coinage Act of 1792 : death penalty for debasing the currency.

Time to bring back that law.

First in line : Bernanke.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:10 | 2113605 ATM
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Don't need to bring it back. It's still on the books!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 01:38 | 2115594 StychoKiller
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As I've stated many times before, "Tis death to counterfeit" is not just a human law, it's a Natural Law!  Nature supplies us with real, tangible things and expects to eventually receive tangible things in return, NOT FIAT!  Keep denying reality, you Progressive/Socialists, and Nature is gonna squash you flat -- unfortunately, Nature won't just discriminate against the Progressives, but all of Humanity!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:10 | 2113183 Cdad
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Someday, the citizens of the US will finally understand this fact about the Fed.  In fact, obviously some are with the ever rising popularity of Dr. Ron Paul.

Until such time as more citizens demonstrate that they understand the financial crime coming from the Eccles building, the Greater American Depression has no choice but to roll on.  Real capital formation cannot occur in this environment...only Bernanke capital formation can occur.  And so long as this is true, quality of life in the US will continue its relentless decline.

Bravo, Mr. Smith.  Right on target.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:12 | 2113193 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Counterfeiting is illegal because it is the false creation of value

Wrong, it's illegal because competition would hurt bankers profits.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:21 | 2113223 NotApplicable
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Point taken. Perhaps, "should be illegal" would've been a more accurate term.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:27 | 2113194 TruthInSunshine
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Central bank monopoly on the creation of legally recognized 'tender' must be maintained in order for the simmer-the-frogs-to-death-slowly game plan to unfold.

The fractional reserve banking Ponzi depends on this absolute cornerstone for its very survival. It can't fulfill its single mandate of creating booms and busts, repeatedly, to ensure that all the best assets get concentrated into the fewest hands (and the hands that empower the fractional reserve banking racket).

 If all the bank loans were paid up, no one would have a bank depo­sit, and there would not be a dol­lar of cur­rency or coin in cir­cu­la­tion. This is a stag­ger­ing thought. We are com­pletely depen­dent on the com­mer­cial banks for our money. Someone has to bor­row every dol­lar we have in cir­cu­la­tion, cash or cre­dit. If the banks create ample syn­the­tic money, we are pro­s­per­ous; if not, we starve. We are abso­lutely with­out a per­manent mone­tary sys­tem.  When one gets a com­plete grasp upon the pic­ture, the tra­gic absur­dity of our hope­less posi­tion is almost in­cred­ible - but there it is.  It (the bank­ing prob­lem) is the most im­por­tant sub­ject in­tel­li­gent per­sons can in­ves­ti­gate and reflect upon. It is so im­por­tant that our pre­sent civi­li­za­tion may col­lapse un­less it is widely under­stood and the defects reme­died very soon.

-- Robert H. Hem­phill, Cre­dit Mana­ger of the Federal Reserve Bank of At­lanta

 

  • "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who makes its laws."  (Mayer Amschel Rothschild)

  • "Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly." (Fifth plank of the Communist Manifesto, 1848)

  • In a letter to Edward M. House (President Woodrow Wilson's closest aide), dated November 23, 1933, Franklin D. Roosevelt said: "The real truth of the matter is, and you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."

  • "I sincerely believe ... that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale." (Thomas Jefferson)

  • "Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none has been more effective than that which deludes them with paper money." (Daniel Webster)

  • "All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, as much from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation." (John Adams)

  • "There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose." (Lord John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946)]

  • Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:13 | 2113199 Kaiser Sousa
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    right on time for the engineered take down n the metals....

     

    http://www.silverseek.com/market

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:18 | 2113213 NotApplicable
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    With a nice ramp-up first to get their shorts on.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:15 | 2113206 NotApplicable
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    I was talking to my 68 yr. old aunt last night when suddenly she asked my opinion of politicians. I told her they were all criminals except for Dr. Paul. Her response? She was heart-broken because he wants to end Social Security, and what would she and my 76 yr. old uncle do without it?

    The only convincing explanation I could make was to reference the ever rising prices in the grocery store, as well as remind her about when I told them to get out of their CDs and into PMs eight years ago. Still though, even with that reality and knowing it will only continue, like the rest of the free-money dependents, they have no other options but to slowly be bled to death.

    This, in a family where my uncle was a lifelong, union trucker for Bunn, and my aunt held various clerical jobs for the state over the years.

    As Mises said, there is no avoiding the consequences of a credit-fueled crack-up boom. The only question is, to deal with it now, or make it worse later?

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:32 | 2113259 Kaiser Sousa
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    man u aint telling me nothing (acutally u are)...i stopped trying to persuade friends, family and loved one to save themselves by divesting of all their debt coupon denominated paper investment vehicles and to get the phys Gold & Silver cause they just aint hearin me...

    also provided detailed explanations as to what is real money and how they've been bamboozled, and r being fattened for slaughter...but they r examples of how thorough and effective the brainwashing of the banking cartel and all its agents (media, etc...) have been...its sad but all around me are those who have, and many more that will be completely destroyed...but i tried....... 

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:53 | 2113545 Likstane
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    I tried also.  I get blank stares and ridicule.  The only semi cogent responses come from people I let physically hold real money(before the canoe accident).  They want some until they have to part with their dear paper IOU's in return.  

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:21 | 2113218 downtownshuter
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    The difference is that Bernanke says printing money is for the greater good. I have no reason not to believe him, right?

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:21 | 2113219 Zola
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    When looking at the evolution of the situation and how the sheeple are so oblivious to what is going on , despite being someone who believes in humanity, i am more and more forced to conclude that the average person is not suited to direct the affairs of the state and that universal voting right gurantee you get someone whose intellect is about in line with the median IQ of the country as opposed to the best and brightest or most morally suited. I think it is high time to think of an electoral system based on merit ( cursus honorum anyone ? cf latin republic) as opposed to letting the sheep choose their sheperd.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:41 | 2113298 TruthInSunshine
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    Yes, while this is why the founders of The United States intentionally instituted a republican form of (indirect) democracy, and there are very good reasons for doing so, and while there is merit to a political class that's empowered based on ability rather than popularity, there are massive dangers in this approach, as well, primary among them being the possibility that mankind's inclination towards evil trumps any inherent inclination towards good.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:56 | 2113760 CompassionateFascist
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    That's the why of separation of power at the Federal level, + massive decentralization of power to states and local communities. We need to get back to all that.  

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:21 | 2113226 A Lunatic
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    Lucky for us our counterfeit currency is slowly being replaced by food stamps.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:23 | 2113232 Jim in MN
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    Now, THAT's rich.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:24 | 2113237 InconvenientCou...
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    Keep beating on this nail. This meme (counterfeit debt/counterfeit money) can defeat the corporatist propaganda stream. For example: "The Fed does NOT print money, the Treasury does" has been making the rounds.

    With just a moderate upgrade in financial IQ, the masses blow this wide open.

    next up?

    who is financing U.S. deficits when sovereigns are dumping Treasuries?

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:27 | 2113239 GoinFawr
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    ZH and Charles Hugh Smith, practicing "see something, say something" the way it ought to be.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:28 | 2113254 Sandy15
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    I have been saying that I should take some money, copy it on my copier then deposit to pay off debt........  WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

     

    If everyone ban together to do this, maybe the FED would stop.  They can't put us ALL in jail.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:30 | 2113260 MacroAndCheese
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    Hey Zero you were just on Limbaugh!!   Can't wait to see what effect that has...

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:40 | 2113295 marcusfenix
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    I really, really wish Limbaugh would stop doing that. one of these days it's going to cause a mass fox news worshipping neocon infestation. 

    those can take years to clean up.

    thanks a lot Rush.

     

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:32 | 2113264 sherman roger
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    FAI:

     

    Rush Limbaugh just mentioned Zerohedge and a story that was posted. Unfortunately did not catch story he referenced

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:49 | 2113332 SteveGennisonBa...
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    ....says the douchebag who listens to limbaugh

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:27 | 2113462 NotApplicable
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    Somebody else recently posted that he mentioned ZH on the air as well.

    So, from this we can take away...

    Tyler has attracted enough attention that the fake opinionists use him to support their own echo-chamber while tainting him for the rest.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:33 | 2113268 sherman roger
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    Gird your servers boys

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:36 | 2113281 GottaBKiddn
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    The very idea that there exists a Government that is based upon the rule of law is a joke, right?

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:39 | 2113291 yogibear
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    Had the same thought. We go to prison if we counterfeit, whereas Bernanke and the Federal Reserve doesn't.

     

    Bernanke, here's a law for you and  the federal Reserve banksters:

     

     

    1792 Coinage Act - Death Penalty For Counterfeiting

     

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:31 | 2113475 NotApplicable
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    Laws, you say?

    Sorry friend, The Bernank is on the board of the BIS, and thus is immune from prosecution for any and all acts by any entity (as was Greenspin).

    See, banking is so important, that there aren't any courts with jurisdiction over it.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:40 | 2113299 Grey-Ghost
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    What's the point?

    The wheel is round, the Sun is hot, Obama is a fraud, the money is being created out of thin air. This country and most of the people on this site benefited greatly from the funny money the US had been issuing since Breton Woods; as well as from the cheap gasoline derived from the oil its military stole in the Arab world etc. and now, since all that do not work so well anymore we all have problems with it?

    I mean, really, what's the point?

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:58 | 2113357 Everybodys All ...
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    You mean the point of our freedoms and rule of law being eroded? That one.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:16 | 2113425 trthzkr
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    "most of the people on this site benefited greatly from the funny money..."  

    The people HAD NO CHOICE but to use and 'benefit' or not from the scam of funny money... not like they had a lot of choices! But wish our grandfathers would have called the scam on the banksters decades ago!!

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:34 | 2113486 NotApplicable
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    I've considered suing my employer for never once paying me in lawful money, but instead using Fed Note IOUs, which are nothing more than "accept my note, or else!"

    I'll even be accomodative, accepting either gold or silver eagles at face value, their choice.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:40 | 2113303 Shizzmoney
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    One of the greatest stories I ever heard was from my senior year in high school from this kid Brian Costello from Charlestown, MA (who ended up being shot while trying to rob a bank...stereotypes exist for a reason).

    He also knew alot of drug dealers from Southie.  One of them got their hands on some counterfeit money.  He bartered for some, and immediately used it for not guns, not drugs, not big screen televisions......but hookers.  He must of gotten into like 3 threesomes in a week.  It was simply awesome in its irony.

    Now just replace the drug dealers with the Federal Reserve, Brian with the Banks, and the hookers with the Corporations and the rest of us....and you laugh in irony even more.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:51 | 2113340 SteveGennisonBa...
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    I want 3 threesomes a week

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 19:28 | 2114700 A Lunatic
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    I'll tell Frank and Bubba.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:43 | 2113312 Tense INDIAN
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    yup we all agree that they deserve jail...but one really has to give them credit ...first for devising such a plan ...and 2nd ...for executing it ..

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:44 | 2113315 zerotohero
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    The people have been lied to for so long that they now believe it to be truth. When you speak to friends or family about the corruption and blatant theft going on by govts and banks they just get that glazed look in their eyes. TPTB can get away with pretty much anything because in the end they know that the masses (for the most part) will just keep accepting it.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:49 | 2113331 resurger
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    The Economy can only be healed when The TBTF Defaults!

    The Debt must be Erazed, here is better solution

    Write off all the Debts on the American People

    Hit - Reset

    The Economy will heal!

    +1 nice Article

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:42 | 2113509 NotApplicable
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    There will be no outright default, as that has too many loose ends (even the evildoers fear total chaos). Instead, they like the ole creative destruction of managed default (a.k.a. "restructuring"), where all exits are controlled to their benefit.

    They've just now perfected this global wealth transfer mechanism by eliminating our ability to retain our wealth, let alone produce more. So don't expect it to end anytime soon.

    Instead, things will just slowly grow ever worse, with occasional flare-ups which will be mischaracterized, demonized, then sanitized as the political bankster system consumes everything it can get a claim on.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:05 | 2113334 cranky-old-geezer
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    "Counterfeit" has two aspects, a false-value aspect and a legal aspect.

    A street-level counterfeiter creates false value by printing currency but it's illegal.

    The Fed creates false value by printing currency but it's legal.

    Both are counterfeiting.  Legality is the only difference.  Fed has legal authority to counterfeit, backed up by laws requiring Fed's counterfeit currency to be accepted as legal tender in America.

    Every central bank around the world has legal authority to counterfeit, along with similar laws requiring its counterfeit currency to be accepted as legal tender in that nation.

    Governments make those laws, so it's government's fault, not the central bank's fault.

    I don't blame Bernanke for printing up a few trillion dollars and bailing out Wall Street banks plus other crony insiders like AIG.

    I blame congress.  They made the laws allowing Bernanke to do it.

    When called before congress to testify about those bailouts, Bernanke consistently said he was doing what the law allows him to do, and if congress doesn't like it, congress must change the law.

    He's right.  He's absolutely right.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:19 | 2113451 GoinFawr
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    "I blame congress. They made the laws allowing Bernanke to do it."

    Currently it is more of a  'chicken/egg/chicken' thing, no?

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:40 | 2113505 Sandy15
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    The Bernack also said he "would NOT monitize the debt"  but he is doing it daily........

    Many in Congress have tried to stop, audit, etc the FED...... The Bernack stops it from happening!!

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:52 | 2113344 AldoHux_IV
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    For a con to work you need CONfidence in a lie, so beware of any central planner saying all we need is more of it.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:55 | 2113354 Stuck on Zero
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    Isn't margin banking counterfeiting likewise?

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:03 | 2113375 curbyourrisk
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    Please understand the FED does not print money...it prints debt.  With that debt comes interest. 

     

    If the FED just printed money, our deficit would be about 40% of where it now stands.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:26 | 2113416 cranky-old-geezer
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    Your avatar is appropriate.  You're a clueless clown.

    Fed printed currency and bought MBS with it.  No debt, no interest attached to it.  Just a simple asset purchase.

    Fed prints currency and buys Treasuries with it. No additional debt is created, and no additional interest either. Just a simple asset purchase.

    The debt and interest obligation were created when the government issued those Treasuries to borrow money. 

    If banks buy them, the debt and interest is owed to the banks. 

    If you and I buy them, the debt and interest is owed to us.

    Fed buying them doesn't create any more debt nor create any more interest obligation.  It's just a simple asset purchase.

     

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:19 | 2113437 sherman roger
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    Yes and interest can never be paid. BECAUSE YOU CANNOT RETURN TO AN "ONLY SOURCE" THAT WHICH YOU RECEIVED FROM AN ONLY SOURCE! The creators of the "legal counterfeit" will only accept their own "legal counterfeit" back. Therefore for each unit of monetized debt that is issued there is new interest burden. so the interest on it that is due has not been created yet. The seeds of this destructive folly are built in to the process. It would be like Picasso lending you a painting with his signature and for each receipt of ten picasso's he required you to later give him back 11 picasso's.   YOU CANNOT RETURN TO AN "ONLY SOURCE" THAT WHICH YOU RECEIVED FROM AN ONLY SOURCE! Do you now understand why large borrowers have trouble "paying back loans". The lenders know the impossibility of the system and when push comes to shove they rollover debts of large borrowers.

        So if any of you guys get a license to create fed notes or the legal authority to sign Picasso's name to your paintings you will be in "fat city".

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:29 | 2113467 cranky-old-geezer
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    So if any of you guys get a license to create fed notes ...

    You can.  Just open a bank and join the federal reserve system.

    There.  Now you can create fed notes all day long.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 18:52 | 2114575 lotsoffun
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    and buy some guy living in SOHO who really knows a lot about opera to certify that the picasso you own is genuine, so when you actually find out it's a fake, you can dump it on someone else.  :)  that's lots of fun!

     

     

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:04 | 2113378 Rathmullan
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    When the Federal Reserve commits to a policy (in this case a .25% federal funds rate) for a period that extends beyond the expiration of the Chairman's current term, then it is obvious that the Fed feels it is out of policy options.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:05 | 2113382 sherman roger
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    What is missed by many, is that because the "monetary authority" that creates "money" does not need taxes to finance. Federal taxes are to reduce the amount that people outside the monetary authority have  to spend so that they do not compete in the auction market or free market and drive prices higher.

        If not for federal taxes, prices would be driven up quicker and the "monetary authority" would need then to accelerate the creation of new "money" as its need to purchase in the free market would need greater and greater amounts of money to buy the same items.

        The founding fathers experienced this firsthand with the continental dollar. Their initial thinking was to "print up a wagonload of currency, a small portion of which would pay for the ink, paper, and labor to produce the wagonload of currency." They felt it made sense not to burden the colonials with a tax. Because of this, the continental dollar failed quickly.

        Without the drain of taxation when monetized debt is embarked upon you soon have the Zimbabwe experience, and others, ad nauseum. How else can a deficit be "spent". For absolute clarity, imagine you were given a license to create Fed Notes in your basement. One day on the street you encounter a bag of your funny money that fell out of a truck. It turns out this was 10 million dollars worth. Yet it was all crinkeled and messed up. The cost to straighten and to refold was twice as great to crank new bills off the press. So you simply burn it in the fireplace for heat. The sucker who lost the 10 million does not impact prices in that locality because he has lost the ability to spend that 10 million and you can continue the counterfeit game a little longer and you simply print another 10 million.

          Remember that not once in history has monetized debt not been repudiated at some point and gone to zero. Except for residual collector value i.e. my 100 trillion dollar zimbabwe note, confederate money, etc. And lets not forget the limited value to provide heat when it is burned in a fireplace or for the occasional bill folde up to take the wobble out of a table.

     

     

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:17 | 2113394 LouisDega
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    WTF ya talking about?  This morning, This "counterfeit" money got me a steak and egg sandwich, a cup of coffee and a full tank of gas . Seems real to me

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:36 | 2113492 TrulyBelieving
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    Yes, and so did the counterfeit silver dollar seem real to me when I bought it. Your statement suggests you have bought the farce which is the Fed.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:01 | 2113508 GoinFawr
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    Actually, LD raises a point not covered by this piece: with a loaded gun pointed at their heads most people will do almost anything they are told, including accepting counterfeit money as if it were the real thing.  

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:27 | 2113670 LouisDega
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    I guess i am looking at the simplistic view. 

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 15:49 | 2113736 grid-b-gone
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    Dollars still seem to have value because we can trade them for breakfast and gasoline.

    The Fed also backs the S&P at 1300+ through the primary dealer arrangement. That has value.

    Treasury instruments seem to have value because the Fed provides for any demand that might not always be at every auction.

    Housing, especially from 2003-2008 had high value and demand because the Fed kept rates low, supported Fannie and Freddie, and allowed counterfeit documentation to grease RE sales. That counterfeit is more obvious today, but even underwater homes still have some value.

    Education, supported by school loans in many cases, has value. So much so, that universities have been raising tuition at a 9% compounded rate for decades.

    This "value" comes from the U.S. borrowing (Fed expanding, Treasury printing) over $20 billion per week. That's $64/wk for every man, woman, and child. 

    That borrowed $64 can only be repaid by private-sector workers making about $128 before taxes and sending the after-tax portion to the Treasury.

    From citizens who could help pay off the debt, subtract:

    Everyone who is retired and on a fixed income.

    Everyone without a job.

    Federal, state, and local employees whose paycheck comes from tax money.

    Everyone under the age of 16.

    Every working-age person with a job that does not pay enough to pay taxes.

    Soon, you realize it would take 100% of the private sector's income stream to reverse course, even if the wealthy allowed themselves to help.

    So we digitally print. And we hope for growth (the Keynesian theory). And we hope the dollar remains the world's reserve currency that allows for more counterfeiting than most.

    And we hope that enough restaurants and gas stations accept the dollars in trade for things real like coffee, and steak & eggs, and a tank of gas, because for the average citizen who doesn't want to think of the counterfeit end game, those daily transactions are the only threads of trust allowing this historical level of debt to continue.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 16:52 | 2114114 zerozulu
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    My car needs new tires. five years ago I paid $65 a piece. Same shop same tire and he is asking $147 a piece. why?

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 17:17 | 2114231 ozziindaus
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    well it's all about the centripetal radial coefficient blah blah blah.... don't worry about it, you won’t understand.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:09 | 2115004 Hulk
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    Have you checked the price on a barrel of oil lately???

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:11 | 2113407 Quinvarius
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    What makes it worse is that when they print the money, they just keep it.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 17:14 | 2114217 ozziindaus
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    Correct. Who does anyone know that actually benefited directly from the bailouts?

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:16 | 2113426 non_anon
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    "The former head of an Evansville-based company that tried to introduce a currency that competed with the U.S. dollar has been found guilty of federal charges in North Carolina.

    Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted Friday by a federal jury of making, possessing and selling his own coins, said Anne M. Tompkins, U.S. attorney for the Western District of North Carolina."

    http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/mar/19/local-liberty-dollar-architect-found-guilty/

    von NotHaus will be sentenced this Feb. for providing real money that the Feds counterfeit.

    Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:43 | 2113512 TrulyBelieving
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    He was found guilty by a Federal judge of counterfeiting. A strange way to counterfeit, using actual silver and gold.

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