Guest Post: Dagan vs Netanyahu

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics

Dagan vs Netanyahu

Binyamin Netanyahu recently slammed critics of a pre-emptive strike on Iran as “having set a new standard for human stupidity”.

Yet Netanyahu’s view is not shared by all Israelis. In fact, there are some very prominent Israeli critics of Netanyahu’s view. Meir Dagan, the former head of the Israeli intelligence service Mossad, says that an attack on Iran would be the “stupidest idea I’ve ever heard.”

Speaking to ’60 Minutes’ Dagan noted: “An attack on Iran now before exploring all other approaches is not the right way to do it.”

Dagan should be congratulated for his rationality. It is my belief that the greater threat to Israel and the West is not the potential for an Iranian nuclear weapon — the truth remains that mutually assured destruction remains the most potent peacemaking force in history, even for supposedly irrational regimes like Pakistan, North Korea and Soviet Russia — but the dangers of blowback from a unilateral strike on Iran.

Oil and resource supplies through the Persian Gulf could be interrupted, sending energy prices soaring, and damaging the already-fragile global economy.

A regional war in the Middle East could result, potentially sucking in the United States and Eurasian powers like China, Pakistan and Russia. China and Pakistan have both hinted that they could defend Iran if Iran were attacked — and for good reason, as Iran supplies significant quantities of energy.

And with the American government deep in debt to foreign powers like China who are broadly supportive of Iran’s regime, America’s ability to get involved in a war on Israel’s behalf is highly questionable. And even without a war, further hostility and tension between America and her creditors would surely result in an even faster rush toward more bilateral and multilateral agreements to ditch the dollar for trade, something that America will almost certainly seek to avoid. So even with a President in the White House significantly more sympathetic to Netanyahu than Obama, America may find herself constrained by the realities of global economics, and unable to assist Israel.

Most discouragingly, such a high risk operation seems to offer very little reward — a successful Israeli strike on Iran is estimated to set back Iran’s program by only one to three years. And such an operation would likely require bombings over many days and in many locations.

If Netanyahu wishes to go ahead with such a scheme then that is his prerogative. But if he will not listen to Dagan’s wise counsel, why should the West rush to his aid if his scheme backfires?

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Mon, 09/17/2012 - 19:09 | 2805367 q99x2
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Oh no now we are going to have to wait for WWIII as well as for Greece to default.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 19:21 | 2805402 Death and Gravity
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I Say:


Mon, 09/17/2012 - 19:24 | 2805411 francis_sawyer
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Fuck NetanYAHOO...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 21:09 | 2805733 vast-dom
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"But if he will not listen to Dagan’s wise counsel, why should the West rush to his aid if his scheme backfires?" Aziz that is the most inane nadir of your postings here. I realize it's rhetorical, but come on, really?  

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 23:10 | 2805962 Dalago
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You send Israelis to do an Israeli job.  Keep the American families intact by keeping the Americans home.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 23:46 | 2806028 DebaL
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Azis, presumably from Arab descent, always criticizes Israel.

Iran already attacked Israel through its proxy, Hezbollah, based in Lebanon.

Iran's leaders are outspoken and violent with their anti-Israeli threats and rhetoric.

Israel, about the size of NJ, has no strategic depth. One nuke, and Tel-Aviv is radioactive waste.

Any wonder Israel is worried?


Stop being hypocrites as you would follow the same rational in Israel's place.


Now, this is not to say that the US must sacrifice its own interests and attack Iran.

PS: When the US attacked Iraq, Israeli officials warned the US leadership that it is a mistake. They didn't listen to anybody, including the Saudis and Israelis.




Tue, 09/18/2012 - 00:07 | 2806063 ArrestBobRubin
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Just Hilarious. Are you this ignorant, or this stupid.

Google Oded Yinon.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:21 | 2806466 Bringin It
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ABR you are slaying the zinos with the truth bombs.  Thanks.


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 01:35 | 2806142 defencev
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You are correct. I suspect that Aziz is shea muslim doing the job he is paid for.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 02:00 | 2806153 Aziz
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If I was a Shi'ite Muslim who hated Israel I would be urging Israel to invade Iran as soon and violently as possible. 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 03:07 | 2806196 defencev
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In your previous article you indicated Bahrain as repressive regime but you omitted Syria. I think it is a fair guess that you are shi'ite muslim. And your argumentation is as stupid as usual: neither China nor Pakistan will do aything to protect Iran. As a matter of fact, Iran will not be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

It is also quite obvious why you so desperately trying to campaign for Obama reelection. In the end of the day it will make no difference. If necessary Israel will use nukes.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 03:31 | 2806214 Aziz
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I'm not campaigning for Obama's re-election. Obama is a terrible President in the pocket of Wall Street.

I think it's a little naive to say that nations that are trade partners won't defend one another. Oil and the flow of oil speaks very loudly. 

I'm not a Shi'ite Muslim. I'm not a Muslim of any sort. 

As for Syria, it's a civil war. According to many reports I have seen, the US-backed opposition are as brutal as the regime itself. 


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 04:08 | 2806228 defencev
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Well, it is quite simple. If you believe that there will be Presidential elections in November than it is not unreasonable to assume that either Obama or Romney will be elected as POTUS. You (and to be fair) many others here pretend that they are equally critical of both Obama and Romney. But it is obvious that there is a huge difference in who will be elected.  Romney promotes economic freedom, Obama agenda is de facto Marxist. Of course, he will not be able to transform America in Marxist state unless a real crisis (i.e. default) will occur. If this happens, all bets are off. Romney has a fair chance to fend off the crisis. As Newt Gingrich correctly indicated, the license fees that federal government can potentially receive for American oil fields (which became viable due to new shale technology) are alone sufficient to pay off federal debt. Thus, Romney energy independence program as well the ability to avoid fiscal crisis are absolutely real.

Anarchists like yourself obviously are not interested in such an outcome and therefore by pretending that you are equally critical of Obama and Romney , you  defacto support destructive Obama agenda and improve his chances for reelection.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:48 | 2806539 pods
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Do you know what would happen if the paid off the federal debt in a debt based currency?

There is a reason why the debt does not go down.  


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:33 | 2806358 Treeplanter
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You're a fool.  Got urself an Arab slave name.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 23:50 | 2806034 DebaL
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Azis, presumably from Arab descent, always criticizes Israel.

Iran already attacked Israel through its proxy, Hezbollah, based in Lebanon.

Iran's leaders are outspoken and violent with their anti-Israeli threats and rhetoric.

Israel, about the size of NJ, has no strategic depth. One nuke, and Tel-Aviv is radioactive waste.

Any wonder Israel is worried?


Stop being hypocrites as you would follow the same logic.

Now, this is not to say that the US must attack Iran. This is a seperate issue, worth debating.


Indeed, Iran is a large fish, likely too large for Israel to deal with on itw own.

This explains why they waited this long rather than taking an action independently as they did to take out nuclear facilities in Syria (2007) and Iraq (1980 or so).




Tue, 09/18/2012 - 00:10 | 2806066 ArrestBobRubin
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Yep, just as stupid, ignorant, and stupidly ignorant the 2nd time 'round.

There's something to be said for your consistency though.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 02:01 | 2806157 blunderdog
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That's a bot.  Keywords triggered a very familiar reply.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:50 | 2806549 pods
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Tue, 09/18/2012 - 01:29 | 2806136 Joseph Jones
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Simple fix: move Israel to somewhere in the USA.  All the brain dead members of USA churchianity can pay for the transport. 

Oh, but then Jesus can not return to David's throne in Jerusalem.  Oh well, I tried.

<Sarc off>

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 22:36 | 2805912 ACP
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Just throwing a question out there...if someone threatened your life, would you call the police (take action) or think to yourself "nah, that's just his way of trying to get a better price for the products he's selling me."

Some consider this a game of chess, and others say the Iranian leadership would never do anything stupid enough to bring about harm to their own people. If this were the case, why did the leadership blunder so badly at this game of chess as to bring about sanctions, which only hurt the Iranian people? They could probably have avoided this by changing the rhetoric for the past several years - the religious leaders could have reined in Ahmadinejad because, well, he has only a fraction of their power. After all, the people have already given the leadership the finger by ignoring many of the ridiculous recent edicts, such as playing western music. I think it adds up to a seriously unstable government that would be willing to do exactly what they say they will do.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 00:31 | 2806084 palmereldritch
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Politics is a sales job and Amamaddinnerjacket is a sales rep for the Mulluhas at the top of the Iranian pyramid who want their sheep in line.

See the pattern? No middle class, no independent thought, ubitquituous religious cult programming as the expected standard....

Kinda like in China now with the Japanese ire and fire...what better way to keep the masses' minds off of the local unemployment and inflation...

History is replete with such manipulations.

Sheep don't play chess...the Bishops make them nervous

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 00:39 | 2806098 Ginsengbull
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Eff the police.

I would simply open the cylinder on my favorite wheelgun and drop in a full moon clip of .45ACP.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 01:50 | 2806147 Cyrano de Bivouac
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Just throwing a question out there... if everyone in your class had a black belt in karate would you want one too?


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 02:59 | 2806148 Cyrano de Bivouac
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Double post. Not DP.



Mon, 09/17/2012 - 19:24 | 2805412 francis_sawyer
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Fuck NetanYAHOO...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 19:46 | 2805434 Spitzer
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Fuck you Nazi Kraut square head kont

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 19:56 | 2805526 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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Fuck off U Zionist scumbag.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 20:13 | 2805582 Spitzer
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Why are ZH commentors so quick to warm up the ovens ?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 20:24 | 2805619 frenzic
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Shut the fuck up and get out of my house.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 20:26 | 2805627 Spitzer
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You are a real Nazi eh..

Got the Benz and everything.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 20:29 | 2805638 frenzic
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Yup. Not politically affiliated though. Don't do doublethink either. You should try it sometime.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 21:03 | 2805722 Spitzer
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thats what they all say.... with one hand on the stoker

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 21:41 | 2805813 john39
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zionist are more extreme fascists than nazis... just ask the tens of millions who were murdered by the bolsheviks (zionists) in Russia...  Nazis were amateurs in relative terms, even accepting the holohaox at face value.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 20:40 | 2805665 ozziindaus
Mon, 09/17/2012 - 23:41 | 2806015 RingToneDeaf
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God, what a bitch!

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 20:30 | 2805637 slyhill
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Why don't you pay for whores in cash?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 23:13 | 2805966 ArrestBobRubin
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What ovens?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 23:20 | 2805974 pods
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Depending on where you reside, your ass may be tossed in jail for asking that question.


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 00:15 | 2806072 ArrestBobRubin
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"Truth Fears No Investigation"

Truer words were never spoken. It's only lies and the liars who tell them that require protection.


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 06:17 | 2806285 frenzic
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Over here that's true.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 01:37 | 2806141 Joseph Jones
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You mean the ovens in Germany Russia built after they invaded Germany, upon orders from their friends in DC, in return for which we turned a blind eye while Russian Jews (the Bosheviks such as the father of Fox News' William Kristol) killed oh, about 26 million?  You mean those ovens? 

BTW, the Rabbis in charge of jew land care not one whit about sacrificing jews for their nefarious purpopses.  The Rabbis have sang fake stories about their magic number of "6 million" jews killed since the early 20th C.  

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 19:57 | 2805531 ozziindaus
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Yahudi Shalom Spitzer, you have finally lost your mind

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 20:37 | 2805608 Clashfan
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Not surprisingly, Dick Armitage? Is that you?

It seems that there is at least one Jew calling Nuttyyahoo "Hitler."

This guy, CIA, source for Tom Clancy's work, is saying on Alex Jones that WWIII is gearing up and that Nuttyyahoo is behind 911, among other things. It's a very interesting interview, to say the least.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 00:28 | 2806089 adeptish
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Great link , thanks...


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 00:29 | 2806091 adeptish
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Mon, 09/17/2012 - 19:24 | 2805413 francis_sawyer
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Fuck NetanYAHOO...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 20:51 | 2805690 WillyGroper
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You forgot banking.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 04:57 | 2806241 bigbwana
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Don't you mean Illuminati?

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