Guest Post: In Defense Of Liberty Extremism

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Submitted by James E. Miller of the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada,

It’s a safe statement to make that when Mitt Romney is finally crowned the GOP nominee for president during the Republican National Convention, any vestige of liberty will be firmly wiped away from the ballot box come this November.  For those who have followed his campaign in the United States, Congressman Ron Paul has been swindled out of the nomination through various underhanded tricks at state conventions.  The explanation is straightforward: Paul’s views are not comfortable within the Republican Party establishment.  Today’s GOP is a party of banker interests, imperialism, and clandestine state empowerment while claiming to represent small, limited government.  Romney embraces this platform while Paul’s decades-long voting record stands in opposition.

For towing the party line, Romney has been anointed the “electable” candidate while Paul has been deemed an extremist.  The GOP declares this while the media parrots the message as it does every election cycle.  To the pundits and writers who cover political affairs, only moderation can win over a large electorate.  The people don’t look kindly upon radicalism or so it’s alleged.

Ron Paul’s campaign manager, Jesse Benton, has even gone as far as to discourage dedicated Paulians from voicing their discontentment with the status quo.  In a recent New York Times article, Benton shares his disinterest with so-called “true believers”:

Some true believers want to “dress in black, stand on a hill and say, ‘Smash the state,’ ” said Mr. Benton, who is married to one of Mr. Paul’s granddaughters. But “it’s not our desire to have floor demonstrations. That would cost us a lot more than it would get us.”

The often referred to rule of American political campaigns is that candidates should appeal to the party’s base during primary season but once nominated, should strive to attract the “center.”  This strategy is totally befitting for a whorish game like politics because it allows those seeking public office to change their rhetoric and tune in order to attract as many voters as possible.  In politics, principle is placed on the back burner for the glory of supreme victory.  The “center” electorate is just a term used for the majority looking to government for what they mistakenly believe to be a free lunch.

To Benton, the political establishment, and the state-worshipping press, moderation is the rational choice of anyone looking to be taken seriously.

But what Benton and like-minded thinkers don’t understand or refuse to acknowledge is that ideas don’t make a lasting impact unless they are logically consistent.  Ron Paul was unique in that he stuck to his message for three decades and never wavered.  He paid the price with being marginalized while his beliefs were portrayed as archaic.  Paul is by no means a radical in that he recognizes a proper role for the state to guarantee the liberties of people are protected yet he was rejected just the same.  For all the abuse and concessions Paulians have had to make, the Republican Party has awarded state delegations with large numbers of Paul supporters “nosebleed” seats at the National Convention; just behind the delegations from Northern Mariana.  Benton’s advice of toning it down and playing nice did little to change the reception from a political party not the least interested in representing genuine liberty.  This rejection, while predictable, should serve as an important lesson for advocates of individual freedom.  Temperance in philosophy may be the less arduous road to take but it will not bring a lasting change.

Because of the forces pitted against it, the incremental approach toward a free society has little chance of succeeding.  For every step forward comes two or more back towards socialism or its ugly cousin of corporate fascism.  The ratcheting effect of state power may not be readily apparent but it is in constant motion.  The heart of the state lies not with the legislature that is still accountable to voters but within the multitude of bureaucracies that are needlessly large and unaccountable. It is the bureaucracies that are given the authority of law enforcement.  They are usually staffed by people who enjoy wielding state power and are always on the search for an excuse to exercise more.

The result has been various states grotesquely inserting themselves into all aspects of Western society.  Chipping away at their stranglehold with half-hearted ideals helps little when the statist influence is everywhere.  It must be opposed without remorse on all grounds for any headway to be made.  Benton’s demeaning characterization of black-clothed activists who refuse to buddy up with what they see as evil undermines liberty’s very cause.  It is the radicals, not the moderates, who hold the water for the freedom movement.  They provide the intellectual vision for what could be achieved.  And when push comes to shove, they will not sell out.

Liberty is far too important to be dumbed down, conceded, or sold for a marginal victory.  The case for freedom is to be unapologetic because it embodies the great desire for justice above all else.  The ruling class within or closely affiliated with the central state operates outside the bounds of moral law.  Murder, theft, and fraud are all dear functions of government.  Behind the propaganda, aggression is always the true nature of the state.  While it is certainly true that easing the burden of taxation or cutting down on the amount of imperial crusades are laudable goals, they should not be ends in themselves.  The goal is liberation from institutionalized coercion and nothing less.  Murray Rothbard once likened the cause of liberty to the oppression faced by the people of Ireland by the British when he wrote:

the goal of ending English oppression — that could have been done by the instantaneous action of men’s will: by the English simply deciding to pull out of the country.

The fact that of course such decisions do not take place instantaneously is not the point; the point is that the very failure is an injustice that has been decided upon and imposed by the perpetrators of injustice — in this case, the English government. In the field of justice, man’s will is all; men can move mountains, if only men so decide.

The pervasiveness of the state is the most compelling crisis of our time and is not limited to the Western world alone.  Economically and morally, those laws and freedoms which sustain civilized life are withering away.  Economists speak in terms of government spending crowding out private investment because the money squandered on political projects must come from the pockets of the public.  The effect also applies to the notions of self-responsibility, a natural right to acquired property, and the unwillingness to employ violence which have all been purposefully tamed and made acceptable through the actions of the welfare-warfare state apparatus.  In essence, the ability to live life with little interference from Leviathan has become crowded out.

Countering this trend is no easy task.  Government attracts large amounts of resources not just through theft but also by attracting power hungry individuals.  Those who earn a living through the police state, the educational establishment, the mainstream press, and the central bank-controlled financial system enjoy their state privileges and will do what it takes to maintain them.  Educating the public on both the benefits of liberty and to withdraw “consent to its own enslavement” as Etienne de la Boetie put it is difficult to carry on against entrenched interests.  It is nonetheless a fight worth carrying on with one clear objective in mind: for all men to live free from coercion.  It is a passion best embodied in a quote from 19th century abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison who when asked why he spoke so fervently on the need to end slavery immediately, he retorted

“I have need to be all on fire, for I have mountains of ice about me to melt.”

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LawsofPhysics's picture

Create wealth in the physical people and assets you choose to associate with and employ.  Write in Ron Paul and sleep well.  The emperor has no clothes, hasten the collapse so we can all begin again.

mikla's picture

You assert we have a, "highly stable, highly-oppressive system" that cannot be incrementally improved through the existing process.

I agree.

In this sense, a "given-elected-official" is himself irrelevant, whether he is elected or not.  Perhaps interesting as a symbol, but not significant in any practical sense.

We can find fault all-over-the-place, but in reality, the "core" issue is that it is ridiculous that anyone pays attention at all to this bungling bunch of children in the Far-Away-Land of D.C.

LawsofPhysics's picture

Correct, it is now simply more about exposing the kleptocrats for what they really are.

The electorate is, on average, a moron and completely screwed either way.  Hedge accordingly, that is all you can really do anyway.

Dalago's picture

Jesse Benton NEEDS to be fired along with Trygve Olson.  These are moles and need to be rid of immediately.

Yophat's picture

First you have to define Jesse's intent (who he's a mole for and why). 

Here's a few more names -

Peter Thiel - Ron Paul's biggest fundraiser (both overtly and covertly). PayPal/Facebook/Palantir Technologies/etc...billionaire, 44, who is openly gay and is ramping up the Republican (left?) via GoProud...the host of Homocon...

On the Board of Directors for the Hoover Institution and a member of the Steering Committee of The Bilderberg Group.

Bruce Fein - senior adviser to Ron Paul on legal matters concerning his 2012 Campaign run. Bruce Fein is a lawyer in the United States who specializes in constitutional and international law. Fein has written numerous articles on constitutional issues for The Washington Times,, The New York Times, Legal Times, and is active on the issues of civil liberties. He has also worked for the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation, both conservative think tanks, as an analyst and commentator.

Fein is a principal in a government affairs and public relations firm, The Lichfield Group (google them), in Washington, D.C. and he is also a resident scholar at the Turkish Coalition of America.

Doug Wead - senior adviser to Ron Paul for 2012 Campaign run. He is a motivational speaker, a Bush family friend, and was a campaign adviser to George H.W. Bush in the 1988 presidential election. He was Special Assistant to U.S. President George H. W. Bush, and is the author of more than thirty books, including the New York Times best-seller All the Presidents’ Children: Triumph and Tragedy in the Lives of the First Families.

In 1979, Doug Wead joined entertainer Pat Boone and Dan O’Neill in co-founding Mercy Corps. In 1991, Wead provided initial funding to help launch a Mercy Corps economic recovery program in the newly formed Republic of Kazakhstan. Mercy Corps is a global aid agency engaged in transitional environments that have experienced some sort of shock: natural disaster, economic collapse, or conflict. Mercy Corps, in the last 14 years, has founded 12 different finance institutions. Since 1979, Mercy Corps has provided more than US$1.95 billion in assistance to people in 107 nations. Supported by headquarters offices in North America and Europe, the agency's unified global programs employ 3,700 staff worldwide and reach nearly 16.7 million people in more than 40 countries. (i.e. - CIA NGO)

Lewis E. Lehrman: Independently wealthy (the Rite Aid drugstore fortune), a scholar, philanthropist, and longtime student of monetary policy. He served with Ron Paul on Ronald Reagan's Gold Commission which was instigated by Ron Paul. He and Ron Paul later wrote a book together recommending gold titled "The Case for Gold" -

He later wrote a book pushing for the use of gold as one world currency -

A signatory to the infamous Project For a New American Century document, a pre-9/11 Neo-Con blueprint which yearned for a "new Pearl Harbor" to justify U.S. military expansionism across the globe. He is a former member of the Board of Directors of the Project for the New American Century, as well as a Trustee to the American Enterprise Institute, the Manhattan Institute, and the Heritage Foundation. He was a former director for the Heritage Foundation. Lehrman was a managing director of Morgan Stanley in the late 1980s. He was also an investor in George W. Bush's Arbusto Energy. He and Gilder were awarded the National Humanities Medal in an Oval Office ceremony on Thursday, November 10, 2005. The Medal was presented by President George W. Bush. He's a close family friend of the Bush family.

He lectured at Hillsdale College in Michigan, in the Ludwig von Mises “Champions of Freedom” series. Founder of the Lehrman Institute who's director was Barton Biggs of Brookings Institution. Bruce Rabb is partner of the Wall Street law firm, Stroock Stroock & Lavan, organized the Lehrman Institute and has been secretary of it since 1978.

The architect of the plan, Lewis Lehrman, a businessman and scholar, will present his program in an address October 5 at a conference in Washington on the how to return to a stable dollar. He will outline a five-step program to return America to a gold-backed currency within five years.

Murray Rothbard - Ron Paul's self declared mentor. During the early 1950s, he studied under the Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises at his seminars at New York University and was greatly influenced by Mises' book Human Action. Rothbard attracted the attention of the William Volker Fund, the main group that supported classical liberal scholars in the 1950s and early 1960s.

Rothbard began his consulting work for the Volker Fund in 1951. This relationship lasted until 1962, when the VF was dissolved. A major part of Rothbard's work for the VF consisted of reading and evaluating books, journal articles, and other materials. On the basis of written reports by Rothbard and another reader - Rose Wilder Lane - the VF's directors would decide whether to undertake massive distribution of particular works to public libraries. During the late 1950s, Rothbard was also an associate of Ayn Rand and her philosophy, Objectivism, along with several other students of Ludwig von Mises, such as George Reisman.

During the 1970s and 1980s, Rothbard was active in the Libertarian Party. He was frequently involved in the party's internal politics. He was one of the founders of the Cato Institute, and "came up with the idea of naming this libertarian think tank after Cato’s Letters, a powerful series of British newspaper essays by John Trenchard and Thomas Gordon which played a decisive influence upon America's Founding Fathers in fomenting the Revolution.

Lew Rockwell Jr - Ron Paul's congressional chief of staff from 1978 to 1982, was a vice president of Ron Paul & Associates, the corporation that published the Ron Paul Political Report and the Ron Paul Survival Report. Founder of Rockwell remains a friend and advisor to Paul—accompanying him to major media appearances; promoting his candidacy on the blog; publishing his books; and peddling an array of the avuncular Texas congressman's recent writings and audio recordings. A proponent of the Austrian School of economics, and chairman of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. In the mid-1970s Rockwell went to work at Hillsdale College. In his time at Hillsdale College, Rockwell started the Hillsdale College Press, founded the school's monthly publication, Imprimis, and worked in fundraising and public relations. He met Murray Rothbard at Hillsdale College.

Milton Friendman - an American economist, statistician, and author who taught at the University of Chicago for more than three decades. Friedman was an economic advisor to conservative President Ronald Reagan. Friedman spent 1941–43 working on wartime tax policy for the Federal Government, as an advisor to senior officials of the United States Department of the Treasury. As a Treasury spokesman during 1942 he advocated a Keynesian policy of taxation, and during this time he helped to invent the payroll withholding tax system. During 1946, Friedman accepted an offer to teach economic theory at the University of Chicago (a position opened by departure of his former professor Jacob Viner to Princeton University). Friedman would work for the University of Chicago for the next 30 years. There he helped build an intellectual community that produced a number of Nobel Prize winners, known collectively as the Chicago School of Economics. Aaron Director was a famous professor at the University of Chicago Law School who played a central role in the development of the Chicago school of economics with his brother-in-law, Milton Friedman, the leader of the “Chicago School.” From 1977 on, he was affiliated with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. He was also a member of the Heritage Foundation as well as the Mont Pelerin Society.

He also played a founding role in the American Enterprise Institute.

Grover Glenn Norquist - American lobbyist, conservative activist, and founder and president of Americans for Tax Reform. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Referring to Norquist's activities as head of ATR, Steve Kroft, in a 60 Minutes episode that aired on November 20, 2011, claimed that "Norquist has been responsible, more than anyone else, for rewriting the dogma of the Republican Party."

As a nonprofit organization, Americans for Tax Reform is not required to disclose the identity of its contributors. Critics such as Sen. Alan Simpson, have asked Norquist to disclose his contributors; he has declined but has said that ATR is financed by direct mail and other grassroots fundraising efforts. According to CBS News, "a significant portion appears to come from wealthy individuals, foundations and corporate interests."

While in college, Norquist was an editor at the Harvard Crimson and helped to publish the libertarian-leaning Harvard Chronicle.

Norquist traveled to several war zones to help support anti-Soviet guerrilla armies in the second half of the 1980s. He worked with a support network for Oliver North's efforts with the Nicaraguan Contras and other insurgencies, in addition to promoting U.S. support for groups including Mozambique's RENAMO and Jonas Savimbi's UNITA in Angola and helping to organize anti-Soviet forces in Laos.

In 2004, Norquist helped California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger with his plan to privatize the CalPERS system. In 2010, Norquist joined the advisory board of GOProud, a political organization representing conservative gays, lesbians, transgendered people, and their allies, for which he was criticized by the Family Research Council. He has served as a monthly "Politics" columnist and contributing editor to The American Spectator.

Along with Campaign for Liberty coordinator Michael D. Ostrolenk (who serves as President and is a Board Member), Norquist founded the American Conservative Defense Alliance. He also founded a front organization called the Islamic Free Market Institute in 1998 together with a Muslim activitist long associated with Muslim Brotherhood operatives named Khaled Saffuri “to promote a better understanding of Islam in America.”

Grover's lackeys - John Tate and Jesse Benton

Jesse Benton - Ron Paul's 2012 Campaign Chairman. Campaign manager on Rand Paul's 2010 U.S. Senate race from May 2010. Communications director on Rep. Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign starting in March 2007. President of C.I.C Solutions, a Washington, D.C. based consulting firm. Benton has served as press secretary at Americans for Tax Reform, communications director at the American Conservative Union, director of public policy and external affairs at the Performance Institute and communications director and policy consultant for the Liberty Coalition. Media coordinator and board member, American Conservative Defense Alliance. He has also worked on campaigns and in corporate and trade association government relations and external affairs. Alumnus of Mary Washington College.

John Tate:

John is a long-time political operative who has spent the last 26 years working in the political, lobbying and non-profit world in the areas of high dollar fundraising, direct mail, political strategy, grassroots activism and non-profit management.

He is the founder and President of JFT Consulting, Inc. a consulting firm that specializes in political strategy, fundraising and grassroots lobbying. John served as the National Political Director for The Ron Paul Presidential Campaign Committee and is currently President of the newly formed Campaign for Liberty.

Prior to joining Campaign for Liberty, John served as the Vice President, Membership for the Leadership Institute. In this role he headed up a department of LI staff that contacted and visited supporters nationwide to show them and raise funds for special targeted LI programs. In his 4 years at LI this program raised nearly $4 million. He also taught at many of LI's schools.

Before joining LI, John spent 14 years with the National Right to Work Committee, serving as Vice President from 1998 to 2004. As Vice President he oversaw all state and federal lobbying efforts, public relations, the affiliated state and federal PACs for Right to Work and a direct mail and telemarketing fundraising operation that raised more than $23 million to combat Big Labor’s coercive power over workers.

John began teaching political strategy in 1983 and has taught at many schools and seminars through the years. He is a sought-after speaker on winning political technology and grass-roots mobilization at the local, state and national level and is author of The Grassroots Activist Manual.

Gary Howard, Jr - Ron Paul's Press Secretary. Press secretary to Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) after serving as press secretary on Rand Paul's campaign. Director of communications and digital media at the Campaign for Liberty. Former staffer of Senator David Vitter (who is partnered with Rand Paul in sponsoring legislation to end the Constitutional birthright clause - 14th Amendment). Member of the Competitive Enterprise Institute (tied into the whole range of associated financiers - Koch, Scaife, etc)....with most involved in the CEI tied to the American Enterprise Institute and the CATO Institute.

Senior Advisor Trygve Olson - (announced July 21, 2011) President of Viking Strategies, LLC and founder of, since Aug. 2010. Managing director at Mercury Public Affairs, LLC, Jan. 2008-Aug. 2010. e-political director on John McCain 2008, Jan.-July 2007. Belarus director for the International Republican Institute, 2001-07. Founding partner of Public Issue Management, 1998-2001. Managed the Jim Harsdorf for Congress campaign in Wisconsin, 1996. M.S. in economics and English from the University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire.

Ted Anderson - (Midas Resources which is the parent company of Genesis Communications Network - i.e. Alex Jones) Midas Resources has been a Torch Bearer Supporter of the Campaign For Liberty (C4L) since it's inception. Also a supporter of Young Americans For Liberty (YAL) and many others. Ted Anderson is associated with Wallnuts Investment Club with the role of Principal.  Likely the source or stimulus for Ron's consistent recommendations for obtaining physical gold (all while he peddled his or he's lying on his federal disclosure forms - either way he's lying to somebody).

caconhma's picture

Sorry my Fellow Americans,

Ron Paul is a bogus candidate. Ron Paul is a controlled-opposition candidate. Remember, Ron Paul is a 30+ years Washington, DC insider. Yes, Ron Paul ideas are somewhat different from his mainstream GOP bosses but things are not good in America. Consequently, there is naturally a distant even at the highest levels of political establishment. Even Pentagon is against another big war America cannot afford and will lose in a long run.

R. Paul was never critical of Romney. Ron Paul admits that he has "limited" support for the Romney's agenda.

Ron Paul's son is a staunch Romney's supporter. Ron Paul betrayed his supporters to support his own son. It is just a “family business.”

Remember Ralf Nader? The man had guts. Ron Paul concerned mostly about his family political future.

Ron Paul talks big but he is another corrupt and dishonest Washington insider.

Ron Paul wants to audit the FED. His son wants to audit Pentagon. WOW. Isn’t great to have another bogus government audit?

Ron Paul knows that the country was raped and robbed by the banksters but he never raised these issues.

Dr Benway's picture

James Miller writes that gradual change is not possible of this corrupt state that controls everything.


So is he advocating armed overthrow of the government?


I mean if you're gonna say it, at least have the balls to say it.

MillionDollarBonus_'s picture

Ron Paul was simply not a credible candidate for President of the United States. His views were representative of a small cult of conspiracy theorists and right wing extremists. Ron Paul should never have been allowed to participate in the GOP primary OR the presidential race. Because Ron Paul was allowed to run as an official candidate, many American voters were tricked into thinking that Ron Paul was somehow a credible candidate. Nothing could be further from the truth. 

Ron Paul's view range from mildly amusing to downright delusional. Here is just a small sample of his appalling views:

  1. Ron Paul favors the abolishment of the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States of America. According to Professor Ben Bernanke (current Fed Chairman), this would cause economic devastation not only across America, but across the entire global economy.
  2. Ron Paul believes that children should have legal access to class A drugs including Marijuana, Cocaine, Heroine and Crystal Meth
  3. Mr Paul believes that America should completely end the war on terror and allow Islamic Extremists who hate our freedom to have free reign over innocent American citizens.

If Ron Paul was running for  leader of the Houston Moon Landing Conspiracy club, I would laugh in amusement, but running as a Presidential candidate with these views is nothing short of irresponsible. 

LawsofPhysics's picture

Not your best work, but always appreciate your satire, especially when it strenghtens Ron Paul's position.

Bicycle Repairman's picture

A couple of things. Romney does not appeal to two important factions of the GOP: true conservatives and Ron Paul supporters and never will. 

Second, Ron Paul's principles do not need to be abandoned to win this election.  I've seen polling that shows Ron beating an easily beatable Obama.  However Romney will get crushed by Obama simply because NO ONE wants him.  He'll only collect anti-Obama votes.

francis_sawyer's picture

 francis_sawyer hereby nominates MDB to be installed as the first president [dictator] of the next 'Islamic' country that peace loving Americans decide to invade & graciously bring FREEDOM to...

OutLookingIn's picture

The corporatist elite and their political lackeys cannot allow the political/economic illusion to falter, even a little, to the bitter end. As the fraud begins to fade ever more, the elitist force intensifies, becoming almost rabid in its deflection.

Because the illusion has become the center of their being, a mythological justification for their existence. Their ideology has been a lie, they are not heroes and gods on earth, but monsters and criminals, and their life has been self-serving and meaningless, without significance and honor.

On Election Day;

Choice One - Stay home. Don't vote.

Choice two - If you must vote write in Ron Paul, or spoil your ballot.

Crash this rotten, corrupt system.  

aka Gil's picture

Not his/her best work? This im-poster mixes up his/her pitches. He/she throws some softball satire (which is occasionally humorous) but his/her bread and butter pitch is the straight-ahead propaganda in support of the status-quo. Anyone who spends this much time posting this type of bullshit on internet forums is either a sick bitch or a paid troll. I've read all the "you just don't get it" comments in defense of this poster, but I'm not buying it. This troll is probably a new variant developed specifically to evoke sympathy from unsuspecting ZH readers.

Bay of Pigs's picture

He is a ZH sock puppet of the Tylers. If he wasn't he would have disappeared long ago.

malikai's picture

...And a damn good one at that.

Anusocracy's picture

I agree. I don't read MDB garbage anymore.

A couple of times was enough.

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

indeed. It makes me somewhat regret making my moniker "MeelionDollerBogus" counter-troll rather than sticking to "goldpricemodel" which is what I normally use and do.

ljag's picture

Your slip is showing mr. MDB. IE "who hate our freedom" do U know this? I heard they love pour so-called freedom

bank guy in Brussels's picture

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

- US Presidential candiate Barry Goldwater, accepting the nomination at the 1964 USA Republican party convention

... On the other hand Goldwater did talk about wanting to drop nuclear weapons on Vietnam ... and then used the campaign slogan 'In your heart, you know he's right'

FeralSerf's picture

The Oligarchy that had just obtained veto power of the presidency in Nov. 1963, decided that they were satisfied with LBJ's lapdog performance for the previous year.  There was no need to let the other lapdog, Barry, take the reins, so they put that little gem in Barry's acceptance speech.  LBJ won as a result and the Vietnam adventure was a go.

I remember it well.  It was the first time I was able to vote.  I had planned to vote Republican, being from a family of  Republicans, but Barry's speech scared me into voting for the other sonuvabitch, LBJ.   I was young and stupid.

GeezerGeek's picture

Goldwater did NOT want to drop nuclear weapons on Vietnam as far as I can recall. He did, however, talk about considering the possibility of doing so. Big difference. Options must be discussed; the bad ones should be discarded, the good ones kept. Let's be glad, I suppose, that the US never dropped nuclear weapons in Vietnam and used Agent Orange instead.

As for the quote you posted, Goldwater was lambasted for suggesting extremism had a valid use. Ever since, the left has applied the term 'extremist' to anyone they dislike, especially to anyone who wholeheartedly supports the Constitution. Goldwater was no more popular with the Rockefeller wing of the Republican establishment than Gov. Palin is with the Karl Rove wing now.

Ignorance is bliss's picture

And dropping nuclear bombs on brown skinned people that we never met nor ever hurt us was somehow a viable option? I would have voted for the other cretin.

YouAreBliss's picture

Ron Paul was simply not a credible candidate for President of the United States.

ACCORDING TO WHO - Rupert Murdoch, Rodger Ailes and Carl Rove?

I love how they get to decide for the rest of us - without Fox's tacit approval and campaigning - no one gets nominated for the GOP Presidential ticket.

They just mock Ron Paul - what cut defense??? How could we?  We only spend more then the whole world combined...and going broke in the process.

Turin Turambar's picture

MDB (Major Dain-Bramage)

Wow.  I scarcely know where to begin.  Okay, let's keep it simple and, in the American tradition, I'll start with Liberty:


"Ron Paul should never have been allowed to participate in the GOP primary OR the presidential race."


Oh, my mistake.  I can see that you're not really in favor of Liberty.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I prefer a free society in which any individual may seek office if they choose without having to obtain your prior approval.


"Ron Paul favors the abolishment of the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States of America. According to Professor Ben Bernanke (current Fed Chairman), this would cause economic devastation not only across America, but across the entire global economy."


Let's see.  Your statement implies a degree of economic illiteracy, so I'll try to be as succinct as possible.  The Federal Reserve is a private banking cartel that has been granted monopoly status over the nation's money supply.  As per your previous statement, again, you are not in favor of Liberty; otherwise, you wouldn't support any government backed cartel/monopoly over ANY sector of the economy, much less the most pervasive - currency.  What other good is in more widespread use than currency?  I can't think of any.  Oh yeah, thank you for informing us regarding the rather impartial view of Ben Bernanke.  I can't imagine why he might possibly have anything other than an impartial view of the Fed Einstein.  Impartiality notwithstanding, let's evaluate his recommendation in light of his competence.  This is the same man who said that there was no housing bubble.  How did that work out?  Oh yeah, this is the same guy who believes that printing money out of thin air creates prosperity.  How's that working out?  Hmm, he's not exactly a font of wisdom from which I'd choose to tap for economic insight, but hey, the Fed has only  presided over a 95% debasement in the value of the dollar since it's inception.  Despite these facts, you give it your ringing endorsement.  Major Dain-Bramage indeed!


"Ron Paul believes that children should have legal access to class A drugs including Marijuana, Cocaine, Heroine and Crystal Meth"


Hmm, I think I missed out on that quote.  Would you mind citing a source?  I'm not a big fan of ex cathedra pronouncements.  They are a little too intellectually lazy for my tastes, plus, too many of them are outright lies.  Oh, speaking of sources, can you please point out to me the section in the Constitution that enumerates the federal government's authority to legistlate matters regarding drugs?  Article 1, Section 8 seems to be a bit lacking in this area, and as such, I believe that the 9th and 10th amendment specifically point out that these are state issues.  Do you not like the Constitution, or is it only relevant when it suits your dictatorial point of view?


"Mr Paul believes that America should completely end the war on terror and allow Islamic Extremists who hate our freedom to have free reign over innocent American citizens."


Those pesky freedom hating Islamists.  They just hate us because we are the bestest of the best - the most awesomest, freedom lovingest, free people in the history of the world!  It has nothing to do with US foreign policy sticking its nose in other countries' business, propping up certain dictators over others, preferring certain governments over others, fascilitating regime change - Syria or Egypt anyone? Nah, it's strictly because we are the AWESOMEST of the AWESOME!  LOL


Your 4th grade statist indoctrinated view of the world would be a whole lot funnier if your idiocy didn't reign in a majority opinion.


Oh yeah, you fail at critical thinking.

Hapte's picture

Lol, nice wall of text. I remember the first time I was trolled.

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

ADULTS should have legal access to any damn drug they want - CORPORATIONS have that legal access right now and so does the government. THEY ARE NOT LEGALLY SPECIAL. Any adult responsile for harm to a child - be it a toaster, burner, drinking draino or doing meth - is still responsible for that harm REGARDLESS of it being a drug or industrial accident or being a careless driver.

I know you're a troll and everyone else ought to but such ignorance still justifies a good reply. Like making sure it's very clear that none of us here are so asleep or disinterested to forget to add that the USA is the real global military terrorist followed by Israel followed by Russia. They're going a little small-time, that bear, but they're still in the game. Letting Israel and America make themselves look bad with their own blatant murder sprees.

A Nanny Moose's picture

True, but an army of people educated in liberty, running for local office, is a force to be reckoned with. Ron Paul is not running for POTUS, so much as teaching.


greyghost's picture

did anyone see the hour long commercial on msnbc for romney/church of latter day saints/mormons the other night? hell i want to convert now!!!! there was one interview with a fellow mormon when he couldn't say that the mormons are a religion...he got that word half way out but then said organization. ever since fox news/business went on a three day anti public pension[and yes they even got around to private pensions] anti soc. sec., anti medicare,anti welfare[remember after you cut those people off where they will come] anti food stamp tirade, i really listen to what these clowns say. anyone else notice that fox business channel is more and more a political station...less and less business? i almost sense that the corporations in america see what the banks are getting away with and want the same wide open, take no prisoners method of operation for them.  yes romney is their man completely, the ultimate corporate animal, stalking their prey, non stop twenty four/ rules...last man standing. wow, no humans involved, no lives involved, no children....last man standing...almost like it is all a game. listen...yes...really listen to their words...they will show you their true colors.

BrotherBroGo1's picture

Poor POTUS....I guess he fell out of favor.  He was their boy in 2008 but bit the hand a little too often.  They should have known he lacked the discipline.

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

he did his job. His job was not to be in 2 terms just to be a figure-head - a black-skinned anti-war candidate who turned out to be a pro-bank not-necessarily-American not-really-white (but partly) puppet.

The next one will just be another variety of puppet.

None of the details matter. Just the fact.

PUPPET. That part matters. All the rest is window-dressing.

General Decline's picture

Oh come now. He did everything he was supposed to. That is read from the TelePrompTer. He wouldn't dare color outside the lines with the kind of bosses he has. I wouldn't be surprised if there was repeating video of the Kennedy assassination running on another screen just below his TelePrompTer.

Taint Boil's picture



listen...yes...really listen to their words...



LOL - Fox News shows their true “fair and balanced” journalism. The original YouTube video had like a million hits – funny how I couldn’t find it again. This one I found will do.


Fair and balanced – UnFuckingBelievable. 


SeattleBruce's picture

LOL - like any mainstream corporate alphabet media has anything to say even remotely close to ZERO HEDGE. Who cares about FOX - it's just one of about 10 stations that have different takes on the same basic issue - status quo at all costs, and death to true freedom and freedom of thought.  I do find it humorous when people go on an anti-FOX tirade, or MSNBC or any of 'em, as I think it reveals they still suffer from red/blue illness.  Just take a deep breath and LET IT GO...and hedge accordingly...

YouAreBliss's picture

Well Said - I call it Fox-Aganda.  All coriographed by Murdoch, who is the most powerful political force in the US and is not even an American!

Rodger Ailes and Carl Rove  -are no friends to the average American -  they riduclue the Ron Paul supporters - support these $1 trillion dollar wars that are bankrupty this country.


i almost sense that the corporations in america see what the banks are getting away with and want the same wide open, take no prisoners method of operation for them.

Too late - how else can GE make $5 Billion and pay no taxes!

GeezerGeek's picture

Your sentiments are poorly reflected in your incredible ability to spell. ESOL? 

SeattleBruce's picture

"Too late - how else can GE make $5 Billion and pay no taxes!" - and GE owns FOX, right?  No, they own NBC...and so it goes...just like the two parties are the same failing voices we've had for decades, so the corporate owned media is a collection of failing voices.  My advice - don't listen to the alphabet soup.  And that would be more than just FEUX News...

dracos_ghost's picture

F&*k Ron Paul. Bugs Bunny 2012 all the way!!!!

Darth..Putter's picture

This was an appropriate definition of people I have worked with, or known over the years.

HoofHearted's picture

Romnobamany-otomy...better than the full frontal lobotomy, but it would also give us a nice mellower feeling.

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UGrev's picture

3% roll call. I'm writing in Ron Paul.

Renewable Life's picture

If you want to know where we are as a Nation, it's really simple actually, just remember this:

ALL violence that is directed at indivduals BY THE state, is called "enforcement" needed to maintain "stability", "Democracy", and "order".

ALL violence directed AT THE State, is labeled "terrorism" and must be dealt with, without mercy or questions.

I think this election is a wake up call in many ways, mostly however, in that it has awakened millions of Americans to the fact that voting and democracy (on a national level) is a total joke!! I think it is time to face the facts that economic warfare is ALL we have left as citizens to rebel against this madness!  Actual violence will be crushed without mercy, but massive economic boycotts of corporations, tax revolts, general strikes that target government revenues, moving away from urban centers and living with like minded people who are self sustainable, free, and will support their neighbors, and using cash, gold, silver, and bartering for commerce, in my opinion, is OUR ONLY OPTION at this point!

I know many people will roll their eyes and just keep bitching as the machine rolls over them, but I prefer to resist, and IMO violent revolt is just not realistic and viable in America in this era, but the things I mentioned above, ARE things people could start doing right now, and no one gets killed!!

James's picture

Would you be mine?

Could you be mine?

Won't you be my neighbor?

GeezerGeek's picture

You seem to be getting dangerously close to echoing the sentiments expressed in the Declaration of Independence. For that crime you are hereby deemed a threat to TPTB, TBTF and COG.

I suggest you memorize the words to the song "Mr. Blue" by Tom Paxton. You'll need something to think about while relaxing in the FEMA camp slot reserved for you.