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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market.com,

It was August 19th, 1920.  A military detachment of Red Army soldiers led by Bolshevik authorities steamrolled into the Russian town of Khitrovo to implement a policy known as “Prodrazvyorstka”; resource allocation in the name of national security which led to the confiscation of vital grain supplies and the starvation of millions of peasants.  To be sure, multiple excuses were used to rationalize the program, all in the name of the “greater good”.  But in reality, Vladimir Lenin and the Bolsheviks saw the farming culture of Russia not as human beings, but as mechanisms for feeding city residents and the army; the power centers of the newly formed Communist government. 

This attitude of collectivism (and elitism at the highest levels) and the treatment of the food producing subsection of the populace as slaves to the machine predictably generated the desire for civil unrest and even rebellion.  By the time the Red Army had entered Khitrovo, the region was already a tinderbox.  After they had taken everything of value and began to beat elderly men in public view as an example to the rest of the town, a war had ignited.

At the height of what was later called “The Tambov Rebellion”, over 50,000 – 70,000 Russian citizens had taken up arms against their oppressive government, including Red Army soldiers who left their posts to join the cause.  Vastly outnumbered, and technologically outclassed in every way, the guerilla fighters managed to infiltrate multiple levels of Bolshevik society and government, and had struck debilitating hits against Russian infrastructure.  So great was the threat, that Lenin along with Red Army leadership ordered chemical warfare to be used in the forests where guerrillas were thought to be dug in, as well as summary executions of civilians, many of whom were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Concentration camps were built, mostly to house women, children, and elderly people thought to be related to insurgents and to be used as bargaining chips.  Eventually, the rebellion diminished, but not before Lenin was forced to end the policy of Prodrazvyorstka along with many other directives that had angered the Russian public.

The Soviets later attempted to erase all memory of the event, destroying records and removing public figures who might recount what had happened.  However, the fight against collectivist control and state power continued through numerous movements until the break-up of the empire decades after.

Now, many historians and cynics of today would label the Tambov Rebellion an overall failure.  They did not succeed in removing Lenin and the Bolsheviks.  They did not defeat the Red Army.  They did not directly put an end to Prodrazvyorstka, though they did trigger a chain of dominos which forced Lenin’s hand.  There was no glowing victory as there was during the American Revolution centuries before.  The freedom fighters were mostly forgotten until the fall of the Berlin Wall and the release of documentation that had survived the purge.  However, what these men and women did accomplish was to set an example; to remind us of the ongoing and inevitable battle between oppressive establishments and the people they seek to dominate.

Even in the nightmare world of communist Russia, from the conquests of Lenin, to the terrors of Stalin, even in the face of organized and energized tyranny, people decided to fight rather than quietly live in servitude.  The lesson we are taught by the Tambov Rebels is that there is no such thing as unassailable empire, that free thinking people will ALWAYS exist, that the drive for independence is inborn and inherent, and that no oligarchy will stand unopposed for very long. 

Another lesson we learn, is that defiance is a virtue unto itself.  It is its own means, and its own end.  Wherever people seek truth, and honor, no consequence is foreboding enough to stop them.  Defiance takes no notice of the threat of death.

Some may question the example of the rebellion described above and its relevance to our times.  “Surely”, they will say, “the days of concentration camps, martial law, food confiscation, and general war against the people by most governments are long gone.”  We are living in more “civilized times”, where technology and reason prevail.  The gullibility of this world view is hard to ignore…

In fact, Americans today may very well bear witness to similar or far worse tragedies in the coming years if current presidential directives and congressional legislation are any indication.  It has become obvious that the Patriot Acts which many in the public rolled over for (under some protest) were a mere warm up to policies like the following:

FISA: An overarching domestic surveillance bill which joins the cooperative efforts of corporations and government agencies.

 

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/07/senate-approv-1/

 

The John Warner National Defense Authorization Act: A Bush supported action which allows the president to unilaterally declare a “public or national emergency” for any reason he wishes without congressional consent and institute martial law policies aimed at suppression of the populace (the president is requires by the act to “inform” congress of his intentions after 14 days, but does not give congress the power of oversight).  Also solidifies the erasure of Posse Comitatus.

 

http://www.bordc.org/threats/hr5122.php

 

Presidential Directive 51: Signed in private by George W. Bush.  Allocates further power to the president to declare a national emergency for any reason he sees fit and to institute Continuity of Government Policies (martial law, among other things).  This directive was only partially released to the public, but the entire document remains classified, even to members of congress!

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7566901/PDD51

 

National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA 2012): Incorporates policies outlined in John McCain and Joseph Lieberman’s thoroughly rejected “Enemy Beligerents Act”.  Allows the president along with the Department of Homeland Security to label anyone, even an American citizen, and “enemy combatant” under the laws of war.  Opens the door to the complete dismantling of Habeas Corpus, giving military authorities the ability to arrest U.S. citizens without warrant, without due process, without trial by civilian jury, to be held indefinitely.  In other words, rendition and black-bagging of U.S. citizens regardless of civil liberties or the Constitution.

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/environment/la-me-gs-national-defense-authorization-ruling-20120518,0,2046039.story

 

Assassination Programs: Obama has not only claimed the right to assassinate American citizens, he has executed such orders.  This policy works as an extension of the NDAA, meaning, anyone can be labeled an enemy combatant without trial, and, that person can be detained, or killed, as such.  These actions have been opposed by civil liberties unions and politicians alike, but because they have so far only been used against U.S. citizens working with “Al Qaeda”, the general public remains on the fence or oblivious to the dangerous precedent.  The Constitution specifically outlines what is to be done with Americans who aid the enemy in times of war in the Treason Clause.  The Treason Clause allows NO assassination or detainment without trial.  In fact, it REQUIRES a trial by jury along with two witnesses testifying to the overt criminal act.  The Treason Clause has been utterly ignored by the Obama Administration thus far.

 

http://www.peoplesworld.org/kucinich-bill-aims-to-stop-assassinations-of-u-s-citizens/

 

National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order: Obama recently signed this executive order which allows the president and the DHS to commandeer or confiscate public and private resources (any resources) in the name of national security, and, even allows for what essentially amounts to forced labor of U.S. citizens in the name of the “national good”.  An almost exact replication of the powers claimed by Lenin and the Bolsheviks that triggered the Tambov uprising.

 

ttp://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

 

http://reason.com/archives/2012/04/07/is-serfdom-an-executive-order-away

 

Internment And Resettlement Operations: A secret Department of Defense document recently leaked to the public outlines extensive planning on the part of the government to use DHS and FEMA to “relocate” U.S. citizens and detainees to internment camps for processing.  Triggers for such a policy could include natural disasters, man-made disasters, and terrorist attacks, among many others.  The document specifically requires “special exceptions” to Posse Comitatus, allowing for military operation of the camps in question.

 

http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf

The response to many of the disturbing provisions listed above has so far remained in the legal and political realm.  A considerable portion of those aware of the dangerous path our government has taken over the past decade alone is to approach the problem from the top down.  Unfortunately, they don’t seem to realize or understand the greater crisis at work.

As matters stand, there is very little recourse politically outside of full state nullification under the 10th Amendment.  At the pace these executive orders and draconian bills are being churned out and slapped with a stamp of approval, the American people would have to unseat the president, not to mention almost every sitting Senator, and every Congressman, replacing them with true Constitutional statesmen and revamping Washington D.C. in the span of a few years in order to prevent the inevitable totalitarian abuse of the legal powers that now exist.  This is not going to happen.  Given that almost every president and presidential candidate for the last few decades has supported identical policies as far as expanding government power, voting in one party or the other (at least at the national level) does not appear to make much difference anymore. 

Legally, every avenue is being explored, but with little progress.  The recent block on the NDAA by 4th District Court Judge Katherine Forrest was a moment of hope amongst anti-NDAA proponents, but the end result was obvious to some of us in the Liberty Movement who know the history of legal action against such legislation.  So far, the Obama Administration has stated that her ruling is basically of no consequence to them, and that they will continue to implement the NDAA as they see fit.  Apparently, the Judicial Branch now only has a say in matters of government when it agrees with the position of the president or DHS.  This shows conclusively that the government intends to ignore court based decisions that are contrary to desired policy, and that while the legal fight should be pursued, we should not expect much in the results department.

So, where does this leave us?  If we cannot redress our grievances through elections, or through the courts, what is there for a freedom loving American to do?  Though the thought causes some to shudder, it is not only logical but imperative that we look at the existing alternatives seriously.  Invariably, if a government was to widely enforce any or all of the policies listed above, the result would be citizen dissent, peaceful and militant. 

When a social system becomes so corrupted that its only prerogative is its own survival and self perpetuation, even at the cost of the life and liberty of the people it was originally tasked to defend, the populace has no choice but to question whether that system should continue to exist any longer.  Conflict, is unavoidable. 

As clear as this fact is to anyone with any sense, though, I find that many seem to treat the idea of physical action as astonishing, or shocking.  Some even laugh as if the concept is outdated and absurd.  Yet, they never seem to have an answer to the primary underlying question:  What else is there?  If working within the system only results in wasted effort and wasted time, what do the naysayers plan to do?  Curl up in a ball and die?  Or perhaps join the venomous establishment they could not subdue?

As discussed earlier, the Tambov Rebellion and examples like it impress upon the narrow-minded visions of failure.  To them, defiance, real defiance, leads only to death and disaster.  The key to their extraordinary mistake is that they assume that defiance is about the “assurance” of victory.  There are never any assurances.  There were no assurances of victory for the Founding Fathers, there were no assurances for the Tambov Rebels, and there are no assurances for us if we one day have to draw a line in the sand against the very system we were born into.

At bottom, the debate over solutions within the system versus solutions from without is irrelevant.  On our current course, there is no other choice for the average American but to say no, regardless of the law, or the threat of its violent enforcement.  Rebellion, in all its forms, is as natural as the cycles of the Earth.  It reoccurs time and again, sometimes suppressed, but not for long.  The horrors of governments gone rogue are no secret.  We have so many examples in history to draw from it is hard to imagine any crime despots have NOT visited upon innocents.  Frankly, if control thirsty elites can refine tyranny down to a science by examining the mistakes of the past, there is nothing stopping us from refining defiance down to an art form as well.  Again, what other choice do we have, but to take heart in the knowledge that though there is no assurance of victory, there is also no assurance of defeat.

 

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Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:58 | 2499281 idea_hamster
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Unfortunately, game theory (much more effective and predictive than classical economic theory, although by no means perfect) tells us that rebellion is an excellent example of a "public good" -- high, concentrated cost in the event of failure, and no way to exclude free riders.

Consequently, escape is always the better option -- the risk taker reaps the rewards.

The US was always the escape destination, but sadly that's no longer the reality.  

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:06 | 2499332 Colonial Intent
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Someone call Dignitas, one of their patients is missing.......

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:12 | 2499335 AlaricBalth
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A fattened, sedated public which is easily entertained by modern circuses, is completely incapable of any type resistance. US obesity levels are at epidemic proportions, use of anti-depressants at record levels, SNAP card usage at all time highs as a % of population. Most people don't even know their neighbors, do you expect them to band together to support each other? Maybe in rural communities but not in the cities. Defiance? Most Americans live with fear, not hope. TPTB know that a fearful public is a pliant public.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:22 | 2499426 Lucky Guesst
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Then move the hell out of the city!!! Yes I live semi-rural, no I'm not obese or on any meds. No I've never snapped up any welfare and yes I know most my neighbors and talk to them daily. I'm recently divorced, single mother of two little teenage rebels... just like me. I've got a kick-ass good sized garden this year and guns that we ALL know how to use. It feels great to be free. The sheep will go over the cliff and those that can survive will deserve to be here.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:24 | 2499443 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Free?  You seem to be living in fear.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:38 | 2499514 Lucky Guesst
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Nope, just able.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:49 | 2499579 chumbawamba
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Magna Carta chapter 61: Lawful Rebellion:

http://wakeuporkney.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/the-magna-carta-and-article...

Though truth be told, it's the governments that are in rebellion (unlawful) against the People.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:20 | 2499728 johnQpublic
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can no one here remember the civil war?

that was our last little legal rebellion/legal cessation/10th amendment action

 

this article is dangerously stupid in encouraging actions which would put all those neat little presidential orders into action

 

leave the government alone and it will collapse in time of its own accord....just like russia did

 

play the game, vote, eat, drink be merry, because tomorrow they die and, unfortunately, our way of life with them

dont be in such a damn hurry to see us all fail

 

and while yer at it, ask yourself if there is anyone you know who you could/would trust with the stash of nukes this country maintains

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:31 | 2500600 JeffB
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Quietly and compliantly doing as told by despots often results in genocide anyway.

I don't think it helped the Jews nor their compatriots in the concentration camps all that much. Nor did it for the women dragged into compulsory prostitution for the troops in so many wars. Many were tortured and killed after they could no longer be used.

The Cambodians who willingly submitted to the Khmer Rouge weren't always spared from the killing fields and even most who survived regretted their submission.

The examples of genocide of compliant people are many.

 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 18:58 | 2501342 diesheepledie
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die ... :-)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 20:28 | 2501583 Poor Grogman
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Recall the fall of the Berlin-Wall.

The Euphoria, the freedom, the whole world was electrified with the spark and the promise of freedom.

How have we sunk so low since then?

What has happened to that shining city on the hill?

It would appear that freedom is not easy or in fact free.

People who are awake like this Author correctly point out that our precious freedom is under attack from those very forces that have benefited most from its existence. A concerted effort is underway to keep people away from dangerous modes of thought, such as individual responsibility, constitutional principles, liberty, and the like.

So much of the propaganda that we are confronted with daily seems designed to focus our attention in the physical realm. All aspects of the human body, especially youthfulness (the opposite of wisdom). Anything to do with nature (particularly our negative impact on it). And of course technology and warfare.

It seems that the MSM would like to have our minds frozen on the spot where we are. Unable to progress further in our political paradigm, unable to evolve intellectually. Unable to even try new approaches to problems. As solutions to all problems now come pre packaged for our consumption. 

As a society we are in an intellectual feedback loop where all paths seem to lead back to pre planned outcomes.

The real battle that is being fought even now is a battle of ideas.

 An intellectual progession is coming into focus. First the Magna-Carta then the US Constitution, then next a future free of central planning and financial serfdom?

 

Stopping ideas from spreading is impossible, putting down a rebellion is not.

 

Recall again the fall of the Berlin-Wall....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:02 | 2499910 forexskin
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America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards. Claire Wolfe

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:51 | 2499590 gaoptimize
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I swoon over you and wish we could be in touch.  All the best to the 3 of you when SHTF.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:07 | 2499667 Lucky Guesst
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Maybe we'll run into each other once the sheep are herded into the camps ;-)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:40 | 2500084 Abitdodgie
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The FEMA camps will only be for wimen ans children.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 18:06 | 2501221 Lucky Guesst
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The FEMA camps will be for those desperate enough to HAVE to go there. So I meant that it would easier for like minded dissenters to find each other once the majority are behind fences.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:52 | 2499597 10mm
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Watch them there drones lady,i hear their sneaky little devils.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:11 | 2499689 Lucky Guesst
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Oh well, I've been laying out topless so they are wasting a lot of taxpayer dollars just to see my little tits :-)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:26 | 2499751 Uchtdorf
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I gave you a green arrow for humor, but by that anatomy comment I just realized you are a guy. That's yucky.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:53 | 2499874 lincolnsteffens
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I like little tits. Put me on your list of future sutors.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 18:08 | 2501227 Lucky Guesst
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I wish I could be lucky enough to run into a ZH'r in real life!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:59 | 2499898 AnAnonymouses
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US citizenses enganging is US citizenisms like male mosquito noise; all buzzy and whiny but no bite.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:20 | 2500292 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymouses said:

US citizenses enganging is US citizenisms like male mosquito noise; all buzzy and whiny but no bite.

Ah, ah, commentation have wisdom of Confusious indeeding. Much so eternal nature of US citizensesisms being dilapidationarialist inherency.

Fast and bulbous.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 20:04 | 2501525 Cathartes Aura
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/salutes the Cap'n.

(and his anymousy pal, ha)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:22 | 2500311 Normalcy Bias
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You're back!

Your avatar still kills me...LOL

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:50 | 2500908 Errol
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Damn, girlfriend, you've just given me a valuable tip on how to distract the drone jokeys when the time comes...duly noted.

You rock!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:43 | 2499539 Whatta
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Being hedged is not fear. There is a BIG difference.

I live rural as well, and am fairly well prepared (hedged) just in case...but I am not in fear of The End.

Worst case, we raise great veggies, healthy goats and have fresh air and peace all around us. Oh, and a stockpile of guns and ammo...as a hedge.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:24 | 2499746 johnQpublic
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fresh air as long as the grid stays up

then kiss it goodbye as the entire american nuclear infrastructure goes fukushima on your ass

 

Worst case, we raise great veggies, healthy goats and have fresh air and peace all around us. Oh, and a stockpile of guns and ammo...as a hedge

 

 

worst case is your skin falls off as you labor to put one of your guns to your head to end the suffering

 

nobody thinks this shit all the way thru

our corrupt fucked up ass government keeps the grid up

i give it zero fucking days of survival during and after "rebellion"

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:27 | 2499756 Uchtdorf
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Thanks for the encouragement...if you have a better solution we're all ears.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:21 | 2500299 johnQpublic
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the solution is to patiently wait

do nothing

 

the more you do, the more excuses they have to use all those executive orders

 

we wait

they collapse

we rebuild

yes there will be suffering, like in russia

but like them, we will recover

focus your efforts on post collapse

there will be alot of work to be done to prevent this happening again

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:45 | 2500403 F. Bastiat
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A few tangible steps each of us can take:

1. Cut off cable TV service; eliminate televised propaganda from your household.  Not only does this cut off central government propaganda, it eliminates cable taxes and it frees up funds for silver, gold, and an ACOG equipped rifle.

2. Dump some of your dollars: Purchase some silver, a little bit of gold, and a bit of platinum. Purchase 1,000 rounds of ammo and learn how to shoot it.

3. Learn the three attack vectors of the utopian/authoritarian/racialist counter-liberty left: A. Attacks upon private property B. Attacks upon the family C. Attacks upon Christianity.  Stifle those attack vectors and counter-attack by supporting private property, the family, and Christianity. 

[Note that atheists are easily subjugated because the atheist's finite life is much less important than the continuation of the state over time. Therefore, logically, the atheist must be subservient to the state.]

With every message, at every turn, at every corner.  Victory or death.

 

 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:22 | 2500771 PianoRacer
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You had me until the part about the sky ghosts...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:06 | 2500983 F. Bastiat
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Which part are you having trouble with?  That atheists are easily subjugated because the longer-term continuity of the state is necessarily a higher logical priority than that of the short-lived atheist?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:22 | 2501071 prole
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What will go through his mind when his daughters are married off as number 2, 3, and 4 for the new Imam of America?

But but guys! I didn't support that Jesus guy, I'm not one of "them"

"Silence infidel,  do you have any more daughters?"

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:41 | 2501156 F. Bastiat
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Precisely.  He who rejects Christianty in the West is subjugated to the animistic polytheism of the state, by default.

Intuitively at least, it seems reasonable to conclude that the lessening defiance of the "gods" of the state can be traced directly to the ongoing relapses into the lazy-men's dogma of animism and atheism.

Frankly, whether or not a thousand years of Western civilization can survive a hundred years of mass TV media remains to be seen.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 20:12 | 2501547 Cathartes Aura
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we have "Christianity" in amrka already, and a good proportion of posters here still speak of "women" as objects to be used and discarded - how is this any "better" than your "Islam" scare meme?  all fatherskygod religions believe women to be of less worth than men, why is this so?

Christianity - whose flavour of?  to which sect are you speaking, and how many actually populate it? 

the dis-respect for humans, who are image-ined as whether they are use-full sexually - this is widespread in amrka - and it's not the atheists that are spreading the story, I've seen and heard of a fair few "Christian Brothers" who use these lines too.

we are in agreement about the TV poison though.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:02 | 2501718 prole
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I heard those Mullah types love fat chicks, so you should finally get a man

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 23:26 | 2502103 Cathartes Aura
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thanks much for proving my point with your post.

 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:04 | 2501727 F. Bastiat
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I guess my overall point was that of how easy it is to subjugate atheists.  Since the limited life-span of the atheist is less than that of the temporal continuity of the state, the atheist is, by default, less of a priorty than the state and is easily subjugated thereby.

Are you aware of any "free" atheist states?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 23:34 | 2502115 Cathartes Aura
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I guess I'm not getting your point, nor your argument, sorry.

I would say it's much easier for a nationstate to subscribe to a religion, particularly a FatherGod one that makes men "special" and women "owned by men" than to remain religion free - how else to get everyone on the same oppressed page?

hence the global "missionary" model of sending the robed troops out to instruct the non-believers in correct methods of worship, and obedience to the rules. . . I would think the nationstate could be glued on after the hierarchical belief system was firmly installed in the people's minds (see the Native Americans in the US for an example of how not to be a "savage" when the white men are telling you how to be "proper" - also Aussieland and their Aboriginal folks, same model). 

the only "free atheist state" I can point you to is in one's mind.  but that's where all true freedom resides anyhow.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:21 | 2503511 F. Bastiat
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There are numerous flaws in your "argument".  First of all, one's individual "mind" is not a "state".  A state is a social relationship between numerous individuals.

Simply put my argument is that the state exists through time and the atheist does not.  Therefore, the "state's interest" is naturally more important than the atheist's interest and therefore the atheist is naturally, and easily, subjugated by the state because the atheist wants to live on his knees rather than fight on his feet.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 14:36 | 2504807 Cathartes Aura
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the first definition of the word "state" in Mirriam-Websters's online dictionary is,

a mode or condition of being, a state of readiness, a condition of mind or termperament

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/state

this is what I'm referring to when I say "anarchy is a state of mind"

"nation states" are fictions, they change over time, always, at the will of those who control the storyline.  saying that "the state's interest is naturally more important than "an atheist's interest - which would be the self, and freedom of thought - is nonsense, and therefore your further statement that an atheist is "easily subjugated by the state" is pure nonsense as well.

religion is for people who need a guiding hand, from a FatherFigure - for someone who needs to be told the wise man's rules on how to be in the world that the religionist believes was created for him by his Father.

the atheist labours under none of these illusions, thus is free to discover reality without the weight of a pre-scribed belief system.

see ya round.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:38 | 2499806 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Yeah. That's exactly what happened when the USSR fell. All the nuclear plants exploded and the world ended. It was a sad day and we all cried.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:18 | 2500283 johnQpublic
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i dont believe there was a rebellion going on

it was the slow collapse that i said we should wait for....and thats why that there grid stayed up and running(but with rolling blackouts)

 

and people supplemented available food sources with their gardens

but if you wanna kick up a little rebellion, its gonna cost us

be patient

wait

it will self destruct all on its own

slow collapse good

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:57 | 2500950 Errol
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JohnQ, Dmitry Orlov has written extensively about the collapse of the former Soviet Union and it's implications for the US empire; I believe he would pretty much agree with your advice.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:58 | 2499894 nyquil762
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Wow! Thanks for the wonderful words of encourement!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:40 | 2500079 hyperbole2000
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Food, shelter, and energy will always be in demand and there will always be a market.  With zero oil imports in such an economic  calamity Nuke power will be a commanding component of the energy supply mix.  The only problem will be if tertiary industries required for infrastructure support can withstand a prolonged economic calamity and maintain their sustainability and viability.  After a year or two the next maintenance shut down may be the last.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:43 | 2499543 CrimsonAvenger
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If you're not afraid you're in denial of the reality of what's coming.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:59 | 2499636 Lucky Guesst
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That is a stupid comment. I don't know the future. If I need to know how to garden... now I do. If I need a gun for protection or to kill food.... I got that. If they start burning down the cities.... my house isn't there to burn. I believe I'm making good decisions that MAY save the lives of me and my offspring. I don't care what you or anybody else thinks about that lol

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:25 | 2499749 Nobody For President
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I  suspect you are one of my neighbors...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:27 | 2499755 johnQpublic
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yep

denial

yer in it

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:24 | 2501080 prole
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yep

yer an idiot and a sock puppet.

Why are you even here? Judas Goat much?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:59 | 2499637 Psyman
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We live in a nation with a ruler that can have your entire family murdered on a whim and it's all nice and legal.  Afraid?  Yes.  If you're not terrified in the American terror state then you're not paying attention.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:56 | 2499617 Matt
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What did the previous poster say that in any way indicated fear?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:22 | 2499722 Nobody For President
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Clueless post of the day award ^

to Alcholic Native.

But I'm a country boy, WTF I know?

I really do not understand how people can live day to day without knowing who their neighbors are - I just don't get it. Much less not know where their water comes from, or their power, or how to fix either if it stops, or how to turn off their propane if there is a leak, or ... whole bunch of basic stuff. I know people who live in the city who don't own a single screwdriver or pair of pliers - and they are not afraid. They are simply too clueless to BE afraid, sort of like, well, I dunno - sheep I guess.

 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:38 | 2499802 TheGardener
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Lucky state of denial. Otherwise, they would just have this neighbor turned off.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:22 | 2501074 jonan
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lol, that is pretty much a list of things i've never owned prior to reading ZH...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:25 | 2499453 Lucky Guesst
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I forgot to add.... I HAVE NO DEBT. Not a single credit card and I've never filed bankruptcy either :-)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:08 | 2499674 Talleyrand
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The test results are back. You are suffering from Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Here are your meds. You will take them. It's for your own good.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:16 | 2499716 Lucky Guesst
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I promise on my soul that when my parents sent me to Military school back in HS that is the exact diagnosis that I got. They just hadn't started prescribing meds for it yet (thank GOD).

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:17 | 2499962 Raymond K Hessel
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ODD is a setup for people to lose their gun rights.  In NYC, you will not be issued a gun permit if you have been diagnosed with a mental illness.  If you have ODD, you have a mental illness.  Then you get your guns taken away. 

 

I'm sure NYC isn't the only jurisdiction that will revoke gun permits for mental illness.

 

Think about it.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:59 | 2499899 lincolnsteffens
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That does it! No debt plus little tits! If you have long hair too I'm already in love.  Just tell

your kids not to shoot me if I show up courting. OK?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:38 | 2499511 TheGardener
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If I ever get back to the hilarious joke called majority rule, I would have single cool mothers of two like you high on my list right after white propertied males. The latter
these days probably worth only half a vote. You and your offspring being worth two. Just joking , no mob rule with me, but any female with worthwhile offspring is worth a
hundred decadent souls.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:57 | 2499629 Psyman
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Yes, breed more slaves for the American police state.  Maybe they can be drafted to go die in one of our many aggressive foreign wars.  Rah rah rah, Broodmares.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:03 | 2499658 Lucky Guesst
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LOL you don't know my kids. I pity the sheep that have to cohabitate this planet with them. It's not a fair fight!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:19 | 2501061 westcoastjan
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You go girl! The only security in this life is the ability to take care of yourself. Good on ya for not being a sheeple!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:29 | 2499467 BeetleBailey
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I was at a clients home yesterday, and his wife said she doesn't care if she gets searched, photoed, whatever...she "has nothing to hide".....this was in response to the handcuffing bank job in Colorado.....

...she simply does not get that doing so violates her rights....people are more sheeple than ever.....right to privacy has vanished...along with people's common sense....

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:56 | 2499620 Psyman
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The American sheeple do not desire liberty.  They desire safety and material comfort above all else.  By complying with the police state she hopes to prove loyalty and be rewarded.  After all, dissent is crushed mercilessly in the American police state.  She is only protecting herself.

 

She'll be the first one to turn you into DHS if you start "talking crazy" around her.  Watch yourself.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:09 | 2499680 pods
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As things get worse and worse, those people work through their CD and start to take us crazies with a little less salt.

pods

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:26 | 2501087 jonan
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great, now we'll have sheep with goiter...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:53 | 2499869 XitSam
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Open her purse or wallet, start opening the drawers in her house, look at her checkbook, look through her underwear drawer and nightstand and medicine cabinet. Demand to see her tax return. Ask to see her meal plan to see if she is feeding her kids according to Michelle Obama approved standards. Get her to sign an authorization for her medical records.

After all, what does she have to fear if she has done nothing wrong.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:20 | 2499979 Jena
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Yeah, I have in-laws that consistently bleat that argument.  They're coming to visit in a couple of weeks.  We disagree on pretty much everything.  I've been able to deal so well in visits past but this time I dunno... I feel a angry mouthiness building that may get me into trouble this time around.  Maybe this time they'll just STFU.  

Or I dunno, maybe this time I'll clean my guns one of the days they're here.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:30 | 2501104 prole
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Not a good idea unless you like visits from CPS. I recommend starting spring cleaning as soon as they show up, place a broom and a mop bucket in their hand. If you can't do that, at least do your own "angry cleaning" routine the entire time they are there. (it will be brief)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:09 | 2501744 Jena
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Safe on that one: no kids.  But I like your idea, because they are good workers.  They ought to have this place looking spiffy by the end of their two-freaking-week visit...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:57 | 2499621 q99x2
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Obesity is partially a result of modern agriculture. The various chemicals and hormones are moving up the food chain.

I know my neighbors want to use anything against me that they can. They are humans.

In cities you have to become a gang member, a member of the police gang, the lawyer gang, the political gang or the AA gang to support each other.

Most Americans live under the influence or have an AA home group. In my last college class out of 30 students 4 were in AA and at least 6 more should have been.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:12 | 2499356 calltoaccount
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Game Theory courtesy of paranoid schizophrenic John Nash-- illuminating docu. The Trap: Episode 1 - Free Documentaries freedocumentaries.org/int.php?filmID=152

Download The Trap: Episode 1 Documentary & Trailer. ... traces the development of game theory with particular reference to the work of John Nash (famous from ...

 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:21 | 2499404 CH1
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The purpose of the intelligentsia is to make the serfs compliant. 

I guess the 150 hours of TV per month has done its job.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:20 | 2499403 William113
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SEE SOMEHTING SAY SOMETHING.

Just don't get caught running your suck hole by the person you saw. We are going back to the wild west bitchessss.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:35 | 2499788 salvadordaly
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Avery good article on just that "see something say something".

The Government’s Boots on the Ground When It Hits the Fan May Be Your Neighbors

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/the-governments-boots-on-the-ground-when-it-hits-the-fan-may-be-your-neighbors_06042012

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:51 | 2499592 Abiotic Oil
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Excellent info from ex-SOF "John Mosby" over here on guerilla insurgencies:

http://mountainguerrilla.blogspot.com/

 

A speech by Patrick Henry March 1775

They tell us, Sir, that we are weak unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week,  or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a  British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. 

 
Three millions of People, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and iin such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Beside, Sir, we shall not fight our battles alone.There is a just God who presides over the destinies of Nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, Sir, is not to the strong alone. It is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, Sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest.  There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable. and let it come! I repeat, Sir, let it come! 

 
It is in vain, Sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace! -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the North will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our breathren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that Gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery!  Forbid it, Almighty God!

I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:45 | 2499839 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

Excellent link Abiotic, thanks.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 17:34 | 2501123 prole
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A speech by Patrick Henry March 1775 They tell us, Sir, that we are weak unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

Yes.

JohnQPUblic

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:53 | 2499603 Psyman
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Correct.  The American Sheeple neither desire nor deserve liberty.  Your reward for trying to give them something they do not want will be harassment, placement on the no-fly list, or worse.  You cannot grant freedom to a person that is mentally enslaved.

 

So the prudent action is to flee the American police state and seek liberty elsewhere.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:02 | 2499650 jus_lite_reading
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OH YEAH!! Well I'm gonna give you 7 good reasons to re-elect Obaney in 2012. 

http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=D5C2DEC34855623A6488F5136D77F013

If you vote for Obamao, you get Romie. If you vote for Romie you get Obamao. You see, America is all about choice!!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:19 | 2499726 TheGardener
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How do I get asylum in China ? Can I work in team with annoylingus ? I`ll be the so-solly man...

Walk up to the next cop invading your neighborhood and
ask him about his well being AND the family of his.

Ask anyone who you see a threat to your liberty what he is going to do right after the big change? Will he claim he just joined the race or has he the rope ready with him and begs for your mercy ?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:42 | 2499824 Overfed
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Flee to where?

Independently wealthy people can at least go somewhere that is somewhat lawless and buy freedom. Those of us who are working class are pretty well fucked.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 00:21 | 2502231 Psyman
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I think New Zealand is the only place in the Anglosphere that's acceptable.  Off the grid in Canada (with guns) is also probably pretty good.  Stay out of the Canadian cities though.  New Zealand is simply too small, too far flung, and too unimportant (in a good way) to come under the same level of police state tyranny as the rest of the Anglosphere.  Their national intelligence agency only has about 340 employees.  I'll take my chance with that vs. tens of thousands working in the rest of the Anglosphere.

 

But that's only if you MUST live in an English speaking nation for employment purposes.  If you're independently wealthy or willing to live poor while you learn a language (German is a good one I hear), the sky's the limit.

 

But most of you are dug in.  Mortage payment.  Kids.  Extended family you pretend to care about.  You're not going anywhere.  And for that, I pity you.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:58 | 2499283 Pladizow
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"Those who give up essential liberty to obtain safety, deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." - Thomas Jefferson
 

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison
 

"Until they become conscious, they will never rebel and untill after they have rebelled, they cannot become conscious." - George Orwell
 

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:00 | 2499308 Deo vindice
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Great quotes of wisdom from the past from those who could see the future.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:04 | 2499318 Dr. Engali
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Where are today's leaders and visionaries ?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:13 | 2499365 Calmyourself
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Several of them are here, however gaining traction for these views requires fertile ground, that ground has not been properly prepared yet.  The time for those leaders to emerge approaches, we will know when the time is right.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:24 | 2499743 Things that go bump
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Leaders who show their heads lose them.  Try the Virtures of a Disorganized Resistance.

The Virtues of a Disorganized Resistance

Stephen DeVoy

Break Your Chains

American opposition movements have always focused on the notion of organization. It has always been their goal to organize the people. Their hope has been to wield the collective power of the disaffected, downtrodden, and exploited as a single unit against the concentrated power of the ruling class. While their hope has been noble, their methods have been foolish. Organized resistance has many drawbacks. These drawbacks have seldom been discussed by the opposition. We believe that the only effective resistance is a completely disorganized, decentralized, and leaderless opposition.

While, on the face of it, this claim may impress you as absurd. Of course it seems absurd! It is counterintuitive. Never the less, it is the ONLY method of resistance that will work within American society. We will explain why organized resistance has never worked in the United States. In addition, we will promulgate a new formula for effective resistance.

Why has organized resistance failed in the United States?

There are many reasons for the failure of organized resistance. The two primary causes of failure are intimately connected to the culture of the United States and the political system laid down by our nation's founding fathers.

The Cultural Cause

Americans, culturally, are anarchists. Few Americans realize this. Most Americans have a false understanding of the term "anarchism." However, upon examining the beliefs of your average American, you will find that most Americans: do not trust leaders, do not trust government, wish to be left alone, value their privacy, think of themselves as independent from society, do not believe that there is a systemic solution to their problems, believe that others should be free to do what they choose, provided they do so in private and do not harm others

While it is undeniable that political culture in the United States often speaks to the opposite of the above list, it is also undeniable that most Americans register as neither Democrat or Republican and most Americans do not vote. Thus, despite the political culture, most Americans choose not to participate in it. This is not only due to their belief that the American political system is hopeless, but also is due to the cultural clash between the wider culture and the political culture.

Any attempt to organize large numbers of Americans into a single political movement will fail. Any attempt to create an organization led by a strong group of leaders will fail. Americans reject submersion into the collective. In a sense, Americans are anti-collectivists.

The Political Cause

American political culture is not ideological. Politicians attempt to draw ideological distinctions between the two major parties, but these distinctions are a matter of splitting hairs. The only significant difference between the two political parties is the degree of compassion represented by the rhetoric of the two parties. Compassion is not a political concept. Compassion is an attitude. Thus, the two parties differ, primarily, in attitude and not ideology.

Despite this, there remain two political parties. One is prompted to ask "why?" If each party is basically the same, with respect to ideology, why do they not merge into one party? The answer to this question is best found in viewing each political party according to its true nature. American political parties are, for all intents and purposes, organized crime units. American political parties have more in common with the Mafia than they have with their counterparts in more democratic societies. Like Mafia, each political party competes for control of territory in order to maximize the benefit to their business constituency. Like Mafia, the political parties attempt to mold the system to maintain their positions and access to resources. Like Mafia, the political parties force the average citizen to pay "protection" under the threat of violence (taxes). Like Mafia each political party uses the "protection" money collected for its own advantage.

By defining our political system in terms of the "majority" and the "opposition," our Constitution enshrines this two mafia system into law. Each Mafia passes laws to exclude new comers from the game while focusing the rest of its energy in destroying the other Mafia.

Thus, any resistance movement that chooses to become an organization is in competition with these Mafiosi. The deck is stacked and the power of the state, wielded by these organized crime units known as the Democratic and Republican parties, will waste the time and resources of any newcomer. A newcomer can only succeed by rejecting the political system, draining its resources, and undermining the rule of the state.

How is disorganized resistance superior?

In some societies, dissidents become heroes. In American society dissidents are systematically slandered, libeled, harassed, and villainized. If they become successful, they are murdered (e.g. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X). In the American experience, movements that look to leaders are decapitated. Leaders are a liability, not an asset. Organizations can be (and are) infiltrated. Organizations can be taxed. Organizations have legal responsibility. Organizations have membership lists and lists are wonderful tools for the oppressor. Organizations take on a life of their own. They struggle to exist and their continued existence takes priority over their mission. Organizations attract opportunists, power mongers, and attention seekers. Organizations tend to exploit their rank and file for the benefit of their inner circle. Disorganizations share none of these defects.

Bureaucracy cannot comprehend disorganization. Disorganization is invisible. The asymmetry of the relationship between organization and disorganization favors disorganization. Organization depends upon planning. Planning requires predictability. Disorganization cannot be predicted. This leaves organization at a disadvantage.

Organization requires a supply chain. Supply chains can be disrupted. Disorganization depends only upon the resources of its members. Supply chains that do not exist cannot be eliminated.

Disorganized movements rely upon swarming. Swarms are difficult to defend against. If you cut a swarm in half, you have two swarms. If you eliminate one of the resulting swarms, you still have a swarm. Disorganization breeds. Organization grows. The many and dispersed are a more difficult target than the large and concentrated.

Organizations takes their steps by design. If the design is flawed, the organization fails. Disorganization relies not upon design but upon evolution. The motivating notions of disorganization are memes. Memes evolve and memes compete. This process improves the motivating notions of disorganization. This process produces multiple courses of action. While some may fail, others are likely to succeed. Taken as a whole, disorganization is more likely to succeed.

The important thing to remember is that it is easier to destroy than to create that which is designed. Thus, the cost to those who lose the manifestation of their design outweighs by leaps and bounds the cost it takes to destroy it. That which evolves is cheap and when an effort is created to destroy the evolved entity, it merely mutates and evolves again, adjusting to the new conditions. As a process that fosters evolution, a movement based on disorganization will continue to survive, evolve, and expand without cost. The resource constraints placed upon the designed (e.g. government and corporate) and those absent from the evolved (a decentralized and disorganized opposition movement), favor the later.

The limits of disorganization

We do not propose a complete absence of organization. Instead we propose a disorganization of units. Units can be as small as a single individual, or as complex as cell of individuals working together. Cells may be internally organized, but they should not be statically organized cell to cell. The movement should have no commander. It should have no central committee or governing body. No global plans should be made. The modus operandi of each unit should be to think globally and act locally. Ideas, strategies, and tactics should float freely and compete as memes within the medium of the collective conscious.

Conclusions

We need to construct a disorganized movement. You need not apply to join. In fact, it might be better if you did not contact anyone except those with whom you wish to form a unit. Your ideas, strategies, tactics, and lessons learned should be spread anonymously or by word of mouth. When you act, should you decide to act in resistance, attribute your actions to "the Resistance." The growing din of disorganized disruption will be felt as an earthquake. There will be trembles. There will be pre-shocks. The tension will mount and, in time, there will be an earthquake. When that earthquake strikes, the organized edifice of the oppressor will fall like a house of cards.

 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:31 | 2500027 Raymond K Hessel
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Okay, but how we control this?  

 

Only kidding.  This is a great comment and should probably be its own post.

 

I do wish we can develop this further, such that individuals are better equipped to participate in a disorganized movement.  

 

You should know that some of these attributes are being researched by the US military, swarming being the first on that list.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 20:35 | 2501627 Cathartes Aura
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while that was a good read, and I agree with much of it - this paragraph,

Americans, culturally, are anarchists. Few Americans realize this. Most Americans have a false understanding of the term "anarchism." However, upon examining the beliefs of your average American, you will find that most Americans: do not trust leaders, do not trust government, wish to be left alone, value their privacy, think of themselves as independent from society, do not believe that there is a systemic solution to their problems, believe that others should be free to do what they choose, provided they do so in private and do not harm others

is not so well thought out.  amrkns are not "anarchists" any more than teenagers are anarchists - teenagers don't trust leaders (parents, teachers, etc.), nor gov't. who has "legal age" restrictions on their desires - all the other points, including "value privacy, wish to be left alone, think they're independent of others, etc. - classic pre-socialisation into the "tribe" of responsibilities to others, also known as, free on their parent's dime.

and the "believe in others freedom" - take a look at any thread that uses the "obesity" meme to attract posts - plenty of rules 'n' laws being proposed to apply to any body that doesn't fit the criteria - hardly anarchists. . .

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:22 | 2499423 CH1
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Where are today's leaders and visionaries ?

They're here, either beaten or ignored.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:41 | 2499819 AnAnonymous
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Big.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:23 | 2499430 TheGardener
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Potentially you and me but that means we are talking about the past, not the clear and present future.

Let`s talk about the day after the night of the long knives.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:28 | 2499464 Lucky Guesst
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Being home-schooled.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:08 | 2499537 Manthong
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LOL  Leona ..   :D

and.. home schooling is toxic to their system of manipulation and control, as is silver and gold.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:45 | 2500121 ljag
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Never underestimate the incompentancy of the bureauocracy. When the SHTF, are you telling me that suddenly the drones that work for the government are going to suddenly get a clue? Really?

I'm not talking about CIA types but rather your everyday bureauocrat who must issue the order to 'go get them'. Ha! And what is with all that 'coming to your house to get you' crap anyway? If things break down to the point where one must question everyone/thing, then those who come to do me harm are in for a surprise. If I have nothing left to lose, I can and will become RED (retired, extremely dangerous......just like the movie). I say bring it.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:05 | 2500395 TheGardener
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They are to terrorize and scare you into submission.

Forget about it, I don`t obey or pay them and if they
will ever come to my remote heck of the woods and have
done due diligence they will order air strikes anyway .

I`m sooo scared. Small arms for losers, long range champions
wasted on helicopter gunships, gunners delighted because this hillbilly can fly those choppers too....

Useless discussing those scenarios, grow your veggies and treat your maids rough and fair.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:55 | 2499610 Patriot Eke
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They're out there and this site has many, but I suspect they are biding their time and using it to prepare for the coming conflict. I agree with the author that unfortunately we have very little hope of resolution.  Conflict is therefore almost certain.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:34 | 2499783 Blotsky
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Where are today's leaders and visionaries ?

Snooki, American Idol and Dancing with The Stars.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:43 | 2499832 Overfed
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Labelled as crackpots. Ron Paul is a perfect example.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:37 | 2500386 Karl von Bahnhof
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Dead or on Fuckbook.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:04 | 2499320 jus_lite_reading
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You know something is terribly wrong with this current gumbint when these brave men would be considered domestic terrorists and no doubt executed under such bogus and illegal laws as NDAA and the "Patriot Act"...

 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:42 | 2500411 Karl von Bahnhof
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Gosh all the gubmint bitches, elites and so called TPTB are scared as hell, dont you see this? Violence and oppression is the last resort!
DO NOT FEAR!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:06 | 2499324 duo
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"The doctor's service to the Revolution is appreciated.  After the war, all men will be judged politicially" - Dr. Zhivago

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:22 | 2499410 Jack Burton
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Brilliant quote duo! That sort of thing is why I read ZH comments!

I remember that quote from reading the book. I am also someone who has studied Russian and Soviet history. The direction America has taken is a horrible nightmare for freedom lovers. We have transformed into a heartless empire of war and banks. I believe should their power be threatened in anyway, they will begin to kill to maintain it. The military already does.

American's are too easily letting congress and the president serve the forces of dictatoship. The President now holds all the powers of a Lenin or Hitler, should he choose to exercise them at any point.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:30 | 2499449 duo
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Yup.  Waiting for our Reichstag Fire.

Another great Dr. Z quote is from Pasha:  "There will be no more peaceful demonstrations"

I'm halfway through Figes's book on peasant Russia during the revolution.  It's a slow read.  Very thoroughly researched.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:37 | 2499508 Jack Burton
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An absolute MUST read for Soviet History is the landmark book on Stalin from the inside records freed up by the end of communism. " Stalin,The Court of the Red Czar" by Simon Sebag Montefiore.

After decades of reading about Russian and Soviet History, this book is umatched for it's inside look at Soviet Communism. It makes it hard to sleep at night, knwoing we head in this same direction!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:53 | 2499598 Chaos_Theory
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Thanks for the book recommendation.  Looks like that'll be my July book.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:01 | 2500486 4horse
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just can not here tolerate any more moot quotes, proprioception and further analysis/paralysis along with all the rest of this site's odd in-fun items  .  .  .

quit circling the bowl, burton:

After decades of reading about Russian and Soviet History . . . An absolute MUST read for Soviet History is the landmark book sold and thoroughly disseminated through the usual jewry flushed down into their complete boobtubery by yet another simon-sez sebag fuckin scumbag montefiore  .  .  .

 

while, the last lion, silenced 

only thing you need to read: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Solzhenitsyn-200-Years-Together-18.html

 

only thing you need to do: SHUT DOWN THE BANKERS

The Owners of the 12 Central Banks:
- Rothschild Bank of London
- Rothschild Bank of Berlin
- Lazard Brothers of Paris
- Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
- Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
- Warburg Bank of Hamburg
- Lehman Brothers of New York
- Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
- Goldman, Schs of New York
- Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

whether there are about 300 3000 or 3000000 VERY POWERFUL__individuals who Own The FED
http://whistleblowers.freehosting.net/federal_power.htm

SHUT THEM DOWN
or
STFU

 

 

only thing left: 4orce

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:32 | 2501823 Vlad Tepid
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I would point out that Lehman Brothers of New York folded years ago, but I realize you are just recycling and rehashing tired old internet memes infused with your own confusing and disjointed invective without putting much thought into them.  But at least you made sense in your own head.  The three of you should be very happy about that.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 16:19 | 2500591 TheGardener
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I know most of us did not get any real schooling to speak of.

No Latin, no old Greek. No thinking, in the original sense.

Glad you guys got back to your natural and intellectual instincts.

Read up on some of the philosophers I keep getting junked for, like Nietzsche and Davila.

P.S. Not only have I had to upgrade my Jiddish to proper German to read those philosophers but had to get the best out of the Spanish dialect to get a grasp of this arab inspired logic of a language, which is non of the above.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:56 | 2499609 jayman21
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Waiting for our Reichstag Fire.

 

2001?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:47 | 2499854 Nobody For President
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Exactly. I immediately thought of 9/11

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:35 | 2500044 Raymond K Hessel
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I think you're right.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:41 | 2499531 roadhazard
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As will Romney or any other President unless we clean out Congress. Keep electing traitors and you deserve what you get. 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:01 | 2501712 Cathartes Aura
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it is past the time where these measures would solve the problem - the whole system is corrupted, top to bottom - the trust is gone.

without trust, there will only be loopholes for the sociopaths to continue to exploit and line their own nests.

true anarchy is localised, not theorised from a place outside the nation - the District isn't even IN the states. . . there's a reason.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:30 | 2499474 jus_lite_reading
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Great quote from Doctor Zhivago. I suggest everyone reads the book or watches the movie!!! LEARN!!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:22 | 2499422 Abitdodgie
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Please tell me that I am wrong………

It has always bothered me the way that the Federal Reserve’s Charter is up on December 21, 2012. Exactly the same day that the Mayan’s said that ‘society as we know it will change’……..not, as the media would have you believe ‘the world will end’…….no, the world will not end, the world will be fine. However, we humans …well, that’s a different story.

Just bare with me for a minute, while I explain. Every mortgage has a clause in it which states that the issuing bank is allowed to recall your mortgage (without prior warning and at any given time) giving you a 24 hour period to pay it back on demand, if you don’t believe me go check, its in all of that paper work that they make you sign when you sign up for a mortgage.

Every single mortgaged property in America is secured against the National Debt, which is currently running at 16 Trillion or thereabouts……

http://www.usdebtclock.org/,

This translates into approximately $49,904 for every man woman & child in America.

 

Once the Federal Reserve’s charter is up on December 21st, 2012 they will, of course, want all of their money back. How will they do this? All the Federal Reserve has to do is call in all of their loans and in turn the Banks will simply call in all of their loans. Quite simply the banks will send a letter to every single mortgaged property in America demanding the mortgage be fully paid within 24 hours. Now obviously about 99% of American homeowners will not be able to pay up. There will also be, in that same letter from the Bank, a paragraph telling the shocked home owner that if he cannot pay within the 24 hours he can sign the property back to the Bank and stay in his house indefinitely so although the homeowner will then be renting he still gets to live in his house. They will do this so as to not rock the boat too much, after all they need to keep us all calm so that we don’t wake up to what exactly is going on.

 

 

Ever heard of agenda 21? I know but stay with me on this one.      http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/

In this Agenda Professor James E. Girard states that; “America has agreed to work together and with private sector partners to meet goals for energy security, national air pollution reduction, and climate change in ways that promote sustainable economic growth and poverty reduction. “

 

http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/la21_198.html

It also states “"...current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat intake use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work-place air-conditioning, and suburban housing - are not sustainable. A shift is necessary. which will require a vast strengthening of the multilateral system, including the United Nations..." Maurice Strong , opening speech

 

This Agenda has plans to turn most of America into a conservation site with most of the population living in several cities around the edges and very few people living in any rural areas.

 

Well, when I first heard about Agenda 21 I didn’t think much about it because I couldn’t see how they could possibly convince every person with a mortgage to leave their house and move to the city. Well, If you get sent a 24 hour demand to pay on your mortgage and you can’t pay you will take the “renting option” and then say two years later they will announce the first American State to be cleared, say Nebraska for example, and every person in Nebraska will be evicted to make room for a conservation area and because you are renting you have no place left to go…………..enter stage right the FEMA camps.

 

These are called FEMA relocation camps where you will then be sent (and because you have lost your job because you were forced to move) you will then be put to work. Ever read Executive order #

 

 

Have you seen how much ammunition the Department of Homeland Security and the USDA has ordered over the next five years? Doesn’t it seem strange to you that they have requested hollow points, which are made to basically explode inside the body. You wouldn’t waste hollow points on target practice. So why would they need so many bullets over the next five years……?

I told him about the Pioneer Bakery on Rose Ave in Venice and how both projects were under UN Agenda 21 one started by Speilberg and the other by Harrison Ford. Of course Speilberg got out of Playa Vista. Don't know what Ford's intentions are with the Pioneer Bakery project. In any case how much evidence does the US need before uniting into real action against the Bankster's literally physical occupation and takeover.

 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:41 | 2499526 MachoMan
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Those ol' exploding hollow points huh...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:03 | 2499657 jus_lite_reading
Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:40 | 2500076 Raymond K Hessel
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You lost me at "Please tell me I'm wrong..."  but then you redeemed yourself with Pioneer Bakery being the vanguard of a UN conspiracy theory.  

 

I needed that laugh.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 19:42 | 2501475 Cosimo de Medici
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Beautiful!  Some people are in so deep, the sense of humor has deserted them, if it ever existed.  Can't say one finds a whole lot to smile about in a Brandon Smith screed.  Don't know what the guy looks like, but I have this image of someone who appears to have gotten botox'd with a Gattling Gun.  Completely lost the ability to crack a smile.

Got another guy up above you calling us to arms to destroy Lehman Brothers and Kuhn Loeb (which along the way got morphed into Shearson Hayden Stone Kuhn Loeb Rhodes Hornblower Weeks & Trask E.F. Hutton American Express Lehman).  Yo, fella, Lehman's gone.  It had its "moment".  Was in all the papers, you know.  Even mentioned once or twice on Zerohedge.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:21 | 2501785 Cathartes Aura
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from a 1999 article,

Playa Capital, a consortium led by the New York investment banks Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, is preparing to pave almost two-thirds of the property and construct what amounts to a fair-size city on the site. Dubbed Playa Vista (Spanish for "beach view"), the development will include 13,000 housing units, 5.6 million square feet of commercial and retail space, and 750 hotel rooms.

What has most attracted attention to the development is its star resident: DreamWorks SKG, the entertainment company founded by Hollywood megamoguls Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg, and David Geffen.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1999/01/spielbergs-other-lost-world

such nice boys, what harm would they do. . .

damn tin-foilers dreaming up drama.

 

 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:23 | 2501792 Cathartes Aura
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hey, gotta love that post's time signature, eh?

synchronicity.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:58 | 2499294 BlueStreet
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Gov't is suppressing rebellion by sending out 120 million checks each month.  Once that stops the fireworks will begin. Stock up on rice and beans boys.  

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:12 | 2499352 BlueCollaredOne
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A cerebral rebellion will be different than the type of rebellion that the welfare class engages in.  A true thoughtful rebellion would be one calling for transparency, accountability, and justice to the criminal's who engage in the tyrannical behavior that has become so prevalent.  Both sides of the aisle have been sold and continuity of a fascist agenda is the name of the game. That needs to be stopped right fucking now.

The welfare rebellion will be attacking whatever white person they see. These people aren't exactly the most educated.  If last nights election results are any example of what is to come (a number of blacks calling for Scott Walkers life) than I see racial tensions becoming higher than they have ever been in the near future. 

Stock up on 7.62

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:17 | 2499382 Colonial Intent
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'Walker outspent Barrett on ads by seven dollars for every one of their's'

Thats your problem right there, when money is used to subvert democracy.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:46 | 2499554 Colonial Intent
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Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:18 | 2499393 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Nigger zombies are walking the cities eating people's faces!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:45 | 2499556 GeneMarchbanks
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In what kind sick world are we living when a comment like that gets not one, but several junks?

Frightening.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:52 | 2499582 Colonial Intent
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Coz.............

Unless he knows a nigger and would address him as such during a greeting or conversation, he's a racist.

If you seriously think that race has any bearing on how good or evil someone is then you are smoking hopium.

Book 7, Line 485 of 'The Iliad of Homer'

"I war not with the dead."

IMHO.......

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:46 | 2499842 AnAnonymous
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he's a racist.

_______________________

or a humourist.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:56 | 2499887 Colonial Intent
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I must be having an LSD experience, Anon just agreed with me..............................

Am i still dreaming, is this a nightmare.......Please somebody shoot me now.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:43 | 2500413 AnAnonymous
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Yep, because it is well known that for US citizens, the group is all and agreement precedes over observation.

Agree on an opinion with enough powerful US citizens, and the opinion is widely admitted as a fact.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:47 | 2499848 Overfed
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He said the "N"-word. Bad juju.

When I was a kid, I had a friend whose father would always say "I have nothing against black people, but I really hate niggers." It took me a while to understand what he meant. A lot of people still don't understand what it means.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:40 | 2500077 Lucky Guesst
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Oh yes.... because all theives are black, all terrorists are brown, all christians are nuts, all Dr.s are good and all drugs are bad!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:45 | 2499558 roadhazard
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What good is transparency, I can't control what I see now.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 21:25 | 2501797 Cathartes Aura
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.

The welfare rebellion will be attacking whatever white person they see. These people aren't exactly the most educated.

because white people, they aren't on welfare, nope.

how educated are you?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:23 | 2499434 Jack Burton
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One month without government checks and the whole lid blows off the ponzi scheme America! Good observation that!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:19 | 2499727 DollarMenu
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I would like to try one month without

any television first.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:31 | 2500024 XitSam
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Been TV free for 9 months now. Previously it was 12/30/1999 to about July 2002. Get more things done, don't really miss it.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:43 | 2499833 Sweet Chicken
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Hell if the Kings win the cup at home it could start things off early! :)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 13:26 | 2500009 Jena
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Win or lose, there will be riots in LA.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 19:22 | 2501410 Papasmurf
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don't forget the beano.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:59 | 2499300 HD
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I don't have a facebook account - and the nice guys in the Flowers By Irene delivery truck parked across the street 24/7 keep asking my why.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:23 | 2499429 fiercekitty
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drones are en route.

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