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Guest Post: Don’t Store Your Gold In The United States

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From Simon Black of Sovereign Man

Marc Faber: Don’t Store Your Gold In The United States

As usual, the CNBC hosts were completely dumbfounded.

Phoning in from Sao Paulo, Brazil, investment guru Marc Faber was a guest on CNBC last week, once again telling the unvarnished truth about the state of the world economy and bankrupt western nations.

This time, Faber had a very clear message: that everyone should own *physical* gold… and what’s more, they should store it outside of the United States:

I prefer if investors hold physical gold in a safe deposit box, ideally outside the US, in various locations… Switzerland, Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia, Canada… I think it’s important in today’s very uncertain world to diversify, not only the various asset classes… but also the custody of your assets should be in different jurisdictions.”

His hosts couldn’t believe it. -NOT- store in the United States, the bastion of freedom and security??!?! What lunacy!

CNBC: “Uh, so do you thus not trust US banks or US custodians? Do you think they might fail or abscond with the gold?”

Guffaws and incredulous snickers emerge from the hosts.

Faber: “I don’t trust anyone.”

Uncomfortable silence.

CNBC: “Hmmm. Interesting.”

Completely devoid of anything intelligent to say on the topic of sovereign diversification, they quickly changed the subject to talk about equities… but Faber soon came back to his original point.

Among other things, he mentioned that banks in Asia are FAR more stable and sound than they are in the west for not having invested so heavily in dead weight assets like Greek bonds or US mortgage-backed securities.

I couldn’t agree more.

This is a point I’ve been pounding on from day 1: internationalization, what I frequently call planting multiple flags, is absolutely critical to reducing your risk.

You won’t ever hear about it from the talking heads on state-sponsored media like CNBC. They refuse to look at the real world where America is no longer the center of the financial universe or the safest place to put money.
Truthfully, though, bankrupt nations like the United States pose the greatest risk of all to our prosperity and livelihood, regardless of whether we’re just starting out or have already achieved it.

This is because politicians will stop at nothing to maintain the status quo; the more they try to ‘fix’ things, the worse the situation becomes. They think they can borrow their way out of debt and spend their way out of recession. When these tactics don’t work, they just borrow and spend more.

In recent remarks during an official visit to Japan, Vice President Joe Biden said that China became the world’s second largest economy only because of US troop presence in Asia.

This line of reasoning only makes sense to a politician: China’s growth has nothing to do with its huge population, massive accumulation of savings, burgeoning technology, or culture of productivity… and everything to do with US military installations in South Korea, Japan, and Okinawa.

Such logic truly tests the patience of rational, thinking people, yet it exemplifies the kind of out-of-touch, mindless bureaucrat who is running the country.

Marc Faber has it absolutely right: entrusting the preponderance of your assets to these moronic sociopaths is a foolhardy endeavor. Own physical gold as a hedge against their idiotic fiscal policies, and store it overseas to make sure they can’t get their thieving hands on it.

Here in Austria, there’s a great secure storage facility in Vienna called Das Safe. You can rent a safety deposit box from them completely anonymously, and the box contents are insured for up to $50,000.

This is financial privacy at its finest… and if you want to take Marc Faber’s advice, you should definitely consider Das Safe. As an aside, Austria is also a great place to buy gold; you can purchase the gold ‘Philharmonic’ coin at almost every bank in the country at premiums as low as 3%.

If you’re serious about doing this, you should check out last month’s edition of Sovereign Man: Confidential. I covered a lot of detailed information about moving and storing gold overseas, including specialized contacts and obscure regulations that you need to know about.

 


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Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Earl of Chiswick
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Waiting for Roubini to weigh in

Hey Nouriel do you know any good Swiss jokes?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:57 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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What a Fecking JOKE:

 

Buffett tells CNBC's Becky Quick he dreamed up idea of $5b investment in Bank of America this week while he was taking bath... less than a minute ago via TweetDeck Favorite Retweet  CNBC

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:01 | Link to Comment redpill
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And coincidentally right after Obama called him.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:03 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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Good point... That just came back to me now heard it somewhere ...

 

Hehehehe... this whole system has become a farce, where will it end?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:09 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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Just imagine.?.?.?.?.

 

Is This the Picture???Old man sitting in bathtub, dreaming of his Billions, jecking aff, thinks of a shitty place to put some $$$ billions ???

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Doyle Hargraves
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It was probably a proxy for wanting to put his dick in a shitty place!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Herman Strandsc...
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Hey, BaBaBouy - I reckon he was staring at the plughole Lol

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:24 | Link to Comment Ausperity
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One bath leads to another...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 16:45 | Link to Comment Titus
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How much did the sovereign man get for pumping Das Safe?

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 01:29 | Link to Comment monoloco
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I prefer the bank of Tupperware.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 16:50 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Poor investment decision making is what one does when you can't play submarine captain anymore.  "Up periscope!" and nothing happens. God damn it, now all I can do is fuck with the CEO of a bankrupt bank. So sad.....

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 21:15 | Link to Comment Rottenclam
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Wow, nice Radio Birdman avatar.  Now I get why your username is "Aus"perity.

As for Buffet, I honestly believe that this is the bizarro way of spending his wealth in his twilight years.  He sure as hell isnt interested in having lots of toys and giving his accumulated wealth to a bunch of bloodsucking family and friends that have not worked hard enough to earn it.

Some people play as much golf as possible before they die.  Some people watch as much TV as possible before they die.  I think the oracle of aromaha wants to be remembered as the guy that saved the US economy before he goes beneath the ground.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:11 | Link to Comment LongBalls
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The Gov. approached him during the last financial crisis to bail out the banks. Warren is officially now a blood sucking parasite who will feel a great wrath one day. I always knew this was the case but thought he might have an ounce of humanity in him. Not so.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Smiddywesson
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I'm not a psychologist, but I think Uncle Warren is clear on where he and his kind have led this country and is now trying to capitalize on its death to plow more money into his charity.  He must be feeling his years are numbered and he is trying to buy off God by doing more of the same.

In other words, he either is going into eternal oblivion or eternal Hell fire.  That's not a trade I would take.  Good luck Warren, you're going to need it. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:16 | Link to Comment Calculated_Risk
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yeah, kinda like hitler doing 10 hail mary's before he knocked himself off... sorry pal, damage is done.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Loose Caboose
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Right.  And if this move is to deflect the coming shitstorm in the markets due to the Bernank's soon-to-be disappointing speech offering no QE3 but maybe a plate of peas - it's like putting a bandaid on a torn artery.  Patient is dead. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:51 | Link to Comment russki standart
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Or perhaps after Obama finished servicing him..

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 20:23 | Link to Comment ViewfromUnderth...
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the prophet of the profit and earnings ratio...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 20:30 | Link to Comment ManOfBliss
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Actually they were in the bath tub together.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 21:04 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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Thats exactly what happened.  Obama couldn't get money to BAC without it showing that BAC needed govt. money for "what".  So until he can come up with another QE3 (won't work) or program in the very near future, he needed Buffet to invest in BAC to hold of the vultures for a little while.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:02 | Link to Comment Eagle Keeper
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People that old don't bathe anymore....   long deoderant.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:45 | Link to Comment JohnG
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It puts the deodorant in the basket.....

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:06 | Link to Comment Don Birnam
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Well, it isn't truly a "bathtub" as we non-octogenarians understand it. It is a special tub, for avuncular-facaded, eighty-something, ukulele-strumming billionaires who feel they do not pay enough in income taxes ( yet would not deign to cut a nine-plus-figure cheque payable to "Bureau of the Public Debt" ).

( CNBC [ female ] anchors sold separately. )

http://www.walkinbathtubsguide.com/images/man-in-walk-in-bathtub.jpg

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:24 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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How many miles per gallon does that get?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Shirley Wilfahrt
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I bet Warren is hung like a tictac....

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:17 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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Alan Greenspan is also famous for making important policy decisions while soaking in his bathtub playing with his rubber ducky


http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/alangreenspan/p/aaalangreenspan.htm

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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I was in the jacuzzi once when a couple of guys came by with an extention cord, and a toaster.

Their demands suddenly seemed quite reasonable.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Hah! Funny. If there is one guy on this site who has me puzzled its the resident rodent. Spouting Latin, Italian, Arms Info, Dune Quotes and militia-talk Extreme Opinions....

Anyways, if a sizeable number of people are interested, I've discussed starting a physical silver storage facility here in India. The cost basis for secure (like Level V security) is pretty low and available.

India, in a SHTF scenario, would be pretty secure in a way that central forces are unable to police the vastness of it, literally and other-wise. Easy for the affluent to be locally safe. Totally safe.

If anyone is interested, you can always find me @ http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

Also thought of a way where you can put x% of your store into a liquid fund for trading silver on a consnesus basis, locally. 

Through the appropriate secure networks, it can always be made available when and where needed. The concentration of it might bestow some unique "power" also.

More if anyone is interested.

Vivek

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:39 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Aren't there tax issues importing silver into India?  Seems I heard somewhere that Indians pay quite a bit more than spot for silver.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:11 | Link to Comment krispkritter
Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:44 | Link to Comment augmister
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Greenspan plays with his wife, Andrea Mitchell (Plastic Face) in the tub... can you ever imagine anything more UGLY???

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:20 | Link to Comment ArgentDawn
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Isn't that how Doc dreamed up the Flux Capacitor? Oh wait no he hit his head on the toilet..

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:59 | Link to Comment dollarcoaster
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PLus day & date....dials...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:03 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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Is it me, or does Roubini spend way more time on gold, than even the most hardcore gold bug?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:59 | Link to Comment Smiddywesson
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He is a paid gold troll.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:51 | Link to Comment Whalley World
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My dog has more credibility on gold than "the Roub"  the mutt never said that gold would never trade above $1,100.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:56 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:08 | Link to Comment Popo
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Among other things, he mentioned that banks in Asia are FAR more stable and sound than they are in the west for not having invested so heavily in dead weight assets like Greek bonds or US mortgage-backed securities.

 

 

I couldn’t agree more.

 

 

Another instance of Simon "Uninformed" Black reaching into his ass for advice.    "Banks in Asia"? 

Ok, Singapore, yes.   The banks there are sound.

But "Asia"?  As in China?  Oh hell no.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:29 | Link to Comment I Told YOU So
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you continue to bash simon at every turn, while he gives constructive advice for free just for the asking what do you give except mouth shit.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:08 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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Renminbi ='s 1,200+% Leverage, before the ink dries on the note.

China's GDP / Debt is carried by 10% Growth.. Building 6 to 10 EMPTY CITIES A YEAR!

so.. as far as Mark pitching gold.. to continue pressure.. to benefit from the swings? No Brainer.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:55 | Link to Comment spiral_eyes
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Faber: “I don’t trust anyone.”

Uncomfortable silence.

CNBC: “Hmmm. Interesting.”

LOL

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:04 | Link to Comment redpill
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It really was priceless.  You can almost hear the little momo-loving hosts roll their eyes at the "crazy doomer."  Just wait until Bernank doesn't give them anything tomorrow and they'll be peeing their pants and getting a safety deposit box in Singapore like Faber told them to.

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:20 | Link to Comment akak
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For the last time already (and also for Simon Black, who made the same linguistic mistake, as do so many others), it is called a "SAFE deposit box" --- you know, a box in which to make safe deposits --- not a "safety deposit box".  I am quite certain that it is not possible to deposit safety in a box.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:35 | Link to Comment MrPoopypants
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For all intensive purposes, a safety deposit box will work just fine.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:43 | Link to Comment akak
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You may take it for granite, but I could care less.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:18 | Link to Comment Boba Fiat
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Irregardless, your point is mute.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:29 | Link to Comment akak
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And just who aksed you?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:36 | Link to Comment Boba Fiat
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Needless to say, that's a whole nother question, but I won't be your escape goat.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Shirley Wilfahrt
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Is Shirley gonna hafta chokabitch?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Boba Fiat
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That was so funny I literally died.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 16:23 | Link to Comment akak
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And dat's da troof!

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 02:00 | Link to Comment Sokhmate
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This mini thread made my day.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 22:07 | Link to Comment Xavier Doe
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Me two - which pacific comment is your favorite?  (I couldn't make up my mind but then I took a different tact and just picked one out of a hat, eeny meeny miney moe-style...)

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 18:05 | Link to Comment Sokhmate
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All of them as I could swear I've heard them all being used by real people. It's all same difference anyway.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:09 | Link to Comment caerus
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doom!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:12 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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If things are really this bad, forget gold, I'm buying distilling and brewing equipment.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Missiondweller
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Homebrewing is a blast. I would imagine it would be a popular skill in a post disaster world assuming you have the grains.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 00:40 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Honey (for mead) is a good substitute.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:04 | Link to Comment caerus
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5 gal per batch...best hobby ever

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:27 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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A blow up doll and a huge bag of coke would also be good investments.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Smiddywesson
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CNBC, advice that you can trust...to be wrong.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:55 | Link to Comment UGrev
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I entrust my pm's to mr. Smith and mr. Wesson..

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Manzilla
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Mr m240 for me. Nothing like fully auto and a 200rd box to keep it safe.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:59 | Link to Comment UGrev
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I hate you.. :)

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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you guys are clearly amateurs.

take it up a notch like "the professional russian"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:02 | Link to Comment UGrev
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Mr. Smith and Mr. Wession just flowed sooooo much better than "I bought my own professional Russian".. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 17:12 | Link to Comment espirit
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How about the Mister and Misses?  Like Mr. Smith & Lady Smith.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:01 | Link to Comment fyrebird
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The police will kill you and your entire family.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:16 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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My guess is that they'll be too busy with rioters to spend tactical units on bunkered gold bugs.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:21 | Link to Comment fyrebird
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Maybe. ATF, not so much. They'll get the gold job and send out their Xe confederates fresh from Iraq to do the wet work for a simple cut of the take.

You think I'm kidding. Think again.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:35 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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The government does not work like that. Think path of least resistance. Think easy and lazy. The poster mentioning 401ks and IRAs understands how the government works.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Turkey
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+1 on the reality that our govt always has bigger guns.  You vs them you lose.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:48 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Why so?  The rioters don't have any money and when you're not getting paid thanks to the lack of tax collections, it's time to "go for the gold".  The first "officer" that gets there gets paid.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Make the local LEOs your friends.

If the Feds can find it, they can have it. It would mean I sucked so bad at planning, I don't deserve to keep it.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:12 | Link to Comment Eagle Keeper
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Springfield 1911A1 45ACP

"NM" prefix.....   (National Match)

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:12 | Link to Comment HellFish
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X 3 + (AR-15 *2) + 12ga + ...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Eagle Keeper
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Paid $140 for it in 1994.  I figure there has been a goo bit of inflation on these things. Probably better than gold....

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Bam_Man
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Paid $895 for my M1911 Nark IV Series 80 (Stainless Steel) in 2005.

Best sidearm of all time and a bargain at any price.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 19:47 | Link to Comment European American
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"Best sidearm of all time" 

In the land of many guns, such statements need a sounder qualification. Could you come up with a more telling adjective for "Best"?

I'm assuming your M1911 Nark IV is really a Mark IV. Not that I have anything against that particular weapon (had one), but from my present personal experience the only handgun with Mark in the name that might be considered best would be the HK Mark 23.  Because of it's exceedingly high reliability ("one of the most thoroughly tested handguns in history"), unequaled durability and superior match grade accuracy (the only drawback being a somewhat excessive size, weight and price), I wouldn't leave home without it. 

 

As neofeudalism gains more leverage into our daily lives in America, in preparation for this life-style change, buy the most dependable, durable, effective and influential tools for the job. What's that idiom? "You get what you pay for?" or was it "you can pay me now or pay me later?"

 

Bottom line - get a gun for the job, lot's of ammo and learn how to use it properly.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:10 | Link to Comment midtowng
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That's how I think too. I don't own physical gold to store it on the other side of the world. Who says I will be able to get to it when I need it? How will I be able to do anything about it if I need to change its location quickly?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Vergeltung
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three AK-47s, and a S&W M&P 40.  :-)

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:36 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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I lost all my weapons in a tragic boating accident years ago.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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I like the six degrees of separation approach..  ;)

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:03 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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I'm terribly sorry for your loss. This hits me especially hard as I will be going boating soon.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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You should invite your ex-wife. Twofer.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:51 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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Sometimes I just have to add your thoughts to my To Do list.  lol!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:31 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Rolling bearings actually said the best sollution. If it would ever become a serious problem, just melt it into a 2 inch cilinder bard, spray paint it, and use it as a fencing pole in your yard or something else that doesn't attract attention.

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:09 | Link to Comment Smiddywesson
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That would destroy some of its value.

  1. Unbolt the corner post of your deck
  2. Dig out the post
  3. Smash the cement footer or cut it flush
  4. Bury the PMs
  5. Replace the post
  6. Pour 1" of concrete over it.

Find that.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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It would only happen in the worst case scenario you know :)

I'd cry my eyes out if I had to melt them and don't even know if I would get it over my heart because I love my bullions :)

 

A waterproof box poored into concrete and put 1 meter below ground may indeed be better :)

At 5 different locations.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:53 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Gold shows up particularly well with metal detectors.

If you want to bury it, bury an old Sherman tank, battleship or D-9 on top of it. They probably won't think to look underneath.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:38 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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Another idea ... just melt it down and cast it into 12 in spikes railroad ties .... and start a garden / yardwork project.  

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Esso
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There's a lot of ways to hide PMs. You could glue it in PVC and drop it in a fence post. The post thwarts metal detectors. You want to hide it high or low. Goobs are lazy, they don't like bending over or climbing ladders. You could install false ductwork or plumbing. Utilize the kickspace under cabinets. Utilize wall cavities. You can install old work electrical boxes to use as a hiding space. Hollow out lumber and make it look like existing framing, cabinet supports, etc. Do a search for "diversion safes" for other ideas. The best hiding place is in plain sight. You want someone to be able to look right at it, and dismiss it.

You also don't want all your eggs in one basket. Spread it around. If you bury it, you want to bury it deep. You might want to consider burying an old can or a brake rotor well above it just below the surface. Someone with a metal detector will dig up the dummy and probably move on. Consider some sacrificial metals. Get a cheap wall safe or floor safe that's meant to be found. If someone finds your sacrificial stash, they'll most likely stop their search once they think think they found your goods. Do all the work yourself unless it's someone you can REALLY trust. If you're working outside, do it under the guise of planting trees, gardening, etc.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:32 | Link to Comment akak
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"Midnight gardening", bitchez!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 16:14 | Link to Comment pods
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I have always liked this maxim:
Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead. 

 Do all the work yourself unless it's someone you can REALLY trust.

pods

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:04 | Link to Comment Smiddywesson
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I won't tell you who I entrust my gold to, but his initials are P.V.C.

Even in death, it's all mine!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:56 | Link to Comment doomandbloom
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but...but...Roubini says...we are over levered on gold and gold is in a  bubble..and.. and ...some other crap... ( i think i can hear him weeping in the corner)

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:58 | Link to Comment UGrev
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It puts the gold bugs in the basket or else it gets the hose again.. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Gubbmint Cheese
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lol

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Smiddywesson
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Running though the night with the sole gold eagle I could save, I could still hear the gold bugs screaming.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:56 | Link to Comment glokk26L
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For those of us that don't have a passport (and from what I understand if you don't have one already, it's not getting easier to obtain one)......

hideys in multiple locations would be a good idea.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 16:04 | Link to Comment PhattyBuoy
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Are you an illegal alien ...?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Manzilla
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I prefer to keep mine in my vault next to my m240, etc and ammo.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:03 | Link to Comment fyrebird
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When they come, just give them the gold. If you pull a weapon on the police they will kill you and your entire family.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:13 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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Soo...I take it you're a cop.  You can have my weed and my wallet if you let me go.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:13 | Link to Comment midtowng
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They aren't going to "come for your gold". They didn't in the 1930's. They only went after gold in safety deposit boxes.

   The cops coming to your home looking for gold isn't even an option.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:20 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Yeah, they are going to search my entire home and property? Have fun guys! The man hours needed would cut greatly into the profits. If the excuse that I sold it on craigslist for a loss is effectively true, this is a total waste for them.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:56 | Link to Comment BayAreaAlan
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They did not come after safe deposits either.

Not to say they won't next time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

Examination of the actual Executive Order as issued shows that this text never appears in it. In fact, safe deposit boxes held by individuals were not forcibly searched or seized under the order, and the few prosecutions that occurred in the 1930s for gold hoarding were executed under different statutes. One of the few such cases occurred in 1936 when the safe deposit box of Zelik Josefowitz, who was not a U.S. citizen, containing over 10,000 troy ounces (310 kg) of gold was seized with a search warrant as part of a tax evasion prosecution.[11] In 1933 approximately 500 tonnes of gold were turned in to the Treasury "voluntarily" at the exchange rate of $20.67 per troy ounce.[12]

What is more likely is that they criminalize possession and pay rewards to your neighbors to rat you out.

Which reminds me to remind you to read http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2011/07/18/the-day-the-dollar-died-now-...

Hat tip O'l Remus.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 22:54 | Link to Comment Papasmurf
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IF you think a safe deposit box is secure you have not read anything about banksters lately.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:25 | Link to Comment akak
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Dammit, it is called a SAFE deposit box, not "safety"!

This is as bad as all those idiots who mindlessly repeat the phrase "I could care less".

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:42 | Link to Comment MrPoopypants
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Looks like someone hasn't read The Language Instinct by Steven Pinker.

We libertarian minded folk give not a whit for prescriptive grammar squeezed out the schoolmarm's teat. Natural grammar follows its own path.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:46 | Link to Comment akak
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Au contraire, my soiled trousers friend --- language is a tool, and like any other does not work well, or at all, when used incorrectly.  I am as libertarian as anyone, but it is illogical and a complete non sequitor to therefore believe that proper grammar is meaningless.  That kind of thinking, I submit, is just part of the dumbing-down and erosion of all standards so prevalent in decadent American society today.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:59 | Link to Comment blueRidgeBoy
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lighten up, Francis.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 20:25 | Link to Comment Hulk
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You have a long road to hoe on this subject, akak!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 23:28 | Link to Comment akak
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I never shy away from some good ho-ing!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:29 | Link to Comment spartan117
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What gold?  Roubini told me to buy spam.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:36 | Link to Comment firefighter302
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Hey fyrechicken. 

I wanted to thank you again,. for all the lunch money you gave me over the years.

I see you're still living in fear.

LOL !!!

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:12 | Link to Comment Sig Sauer
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don't you worry about the corroding effects of your gun cleaning solvents on your PM's?  heard the vapors will pit PMs.

I keep mine separated.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:57 | Link to Comment glokk26L
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smith, wesson, gaston, kalashnikov.....

Names to be trusting precious metals with.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:59 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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My name is Lead,

Remington Lead....

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:00 | Link to Comment fyrebird
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They'll come for your gold, kill you and your entire family, and leave a crater where your bunker used to be.

People. This is not Fantasy Island. They will kill your ass if you do not give them your gold.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:01 | Link to Comment UGrev
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They can't kill us all. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:04 | Link to Comment fyrebird
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But they can kill most of you. I don't like the odds.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:10 | Link to Comment pods
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Well, then bend over and give them your gold.

pods

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:13 | Link to Comment goldfreak
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is this the new troll scare tactic?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:42 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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More like trying to bait some moron into making a specific threat.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:56 | Link to Comment akak
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Fyrebird, we will kill all the cops, then we will kill you.

Happy now?

 

 

(PS: That was intended as a joke.  Not that I wouldn't gladly take a dump inside the shattered skull of a troll, abject coward and/or kneejerk surrender monkey like this Fyrebird.)

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:23 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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LOL, not in my neck of the woods. Most of the cops are on my side. Not sure they are going to start gunning down civilians to collect gold for the master. In New York? Maybe.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:39 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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The cops won't (even in NY)... but the Mercs hired by Blackwater and the like will have no issues about such things... 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:30 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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I have friends there too. Go to one of their trainings. Get out and network, buddy.

http://www.ustraining.com/new/Moyock/schedule.asp

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:26 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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Then who will pay the taxes?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:42 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Sounds like some here have already buried their balls in a coffee can somewhere.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Hapte
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I hope they kill you.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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and the ones they don't kill will be highly motivated

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:06 | Link to Comment Bullionaire
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What gold?  No gold here.  Sorry.

 

:-)

 

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:11 | Link to Comment fyrebird
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That's the spirit.

Listen people, you need to think this through. You know I'm right so stop waving your dicks around like nothing matters and start to think very clearly about life under martial law.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Doyle Hargraves
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"...think very clearly about life under martial law."- I often do think of life under martial law because it is coming to a town near you. I also think about what I have seen in Iraq, Afghanistan, lessons from Vietnam, and so on. I think, damn a bunch of recently unemployed vets who are still very close to one and other, watching their country turn into a police state, just bear witness to the two of the greatest guerilla campaigns fought in history (Iraq, Afghanistan), all are very familiar with the successful tactics employed, hmmm. Yeah I think about martial law.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:32 | Link to Comment Comay Mierda
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it may not just be US troops enforcing martial law.  when the North American Union comes into effect, you'll get NATO troops knocking on your door

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:45 | Link to Comment Doyle Hargraves
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Even better, don't have any compunction about killing foreigners rather than fellow 'mericans. Besides probably have them (UN) blue beret forces rather than NATO, which stand out really well in a crowd!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:01 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Lincoln proved that Americans have no problem with killing fellow Americans. Just call them "terrorists", "rebels", "communists", "atheists" or some-such.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:24 | Link to Comment Doyle Hargraves
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Lincoln was a cowardly tyrant and responsible for a good bit of where we find ourselves today, I mean he after all employed the first iteration of the patriot act. I doubt today those damned yankees would even bother trying to fight a war against the Confederacy, especially given the fact that they are out-gunned and have little in the way of industrial production thanks to the unions. Unfortunately, the feds have made every state's survival contingent on receiving their cut of the heist (taxes) from dc every year. However, when that finally collapses because it has to, Confederates will be back in business and I doubt anyone will have the will to stop them this time, IMHO. Josey Wales, Bitchez!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:33 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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I served in the armed forces of the USA.

Looking around today at the pathetic thing that once was the USA, I can't think of a single reason to do it again.

I lost friends defending America from the commie threat.

What a sick joke that seems today.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 03:16 | Link to Comment Doyle Hargraves
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Good reason to serve defending the new confederacy from the USA's overreach!

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 15:06 | Link to Comment Turkey
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What is missing from today's USA that was present in yesterday's USA?

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 15:32 | Link to Comment akak
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Responsibility .... accountability .... integrity .... public spirit ..... long-term thinking ..... sanity .... a larger measure of freedom ..... shall I go on?

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Turkey
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I'm less certain it was always there.  A common theme with you old guard folks is morality has gotten worse.  500 years ago people were drowning witches that didn't float.  80 years go the central banking system we all know and love so much was launched.

I do believe patriotism and nationalism have declined, it appears as if we have made greed a value, when once it was a vice.  Unfortunately the quickest example I can provide of the decline in patriotism is your post, and greed is not abhorred around here.

While I am not military, my father and both his brothers are, and I have never heard words like yours come from their lips, and their as old and bitter as the next right winger, but they don't scorn their neighbors like you have.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 15:50 | Link to Comment akak
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Yes, it is a demonstrable fact that "morality" has gotten worse during my lifetime --- and during the lifetimes of my father and grandfathers before me.  The fact that each generation for the last several generations has been able to say the same thing does not make the degeneration of our society, our liberties and our morality over at least the last 100 years any less of a fact.

As for patriotism, I have no use for it, at least not the kneejerk and blind nationalism that defenders of the status-quo like to equate it with ---- "rallying around the flag", "my country right or wrong", etc.

As for the modern-day American military, they are overwhelmingly defenders of a corrupt, aggressive, imperialistic and morally reprehensible foreign policy, whether they acknowledge that fact or not, and are vastly more about OFFENSE than they are about DEFENSE.  They are little more than cannon-fodder and useful fools for a sociopathic power elite, and I have nothing but disdain and contempt for those who would willingly serve such a role.

Now go sing the Star-Spangled Banner with your hand over your heart while facing the nearest flag --- because, you know, you are so "patriotic".

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 00:45 | Link to Comment Turkey
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Please demonstrate the fact that in the past 100 years mankind, or the average American's morality has gotten worse.  Anyway you want to demonstrate that fact, I'm listening.  As far as I can tell man has been as immoral as ever our entire recorded existance on the planet.  I figure our entire moral base, religon, anecdotes, sayings, morals and commonly accepted mores were created by groups in response to the experience of thousands of generations of our base instincts.  Don't kill, steal, cheat, etc.  The early bird gets the worm.  You shall reap what you sow.  All lessons learned over generations of mankind living on earth, with the birds and the bees, and other men.

While America has been conned into attacking others, overturning other governments, and an endless list of activities boiling down into mass murder, this isn't new.  Please see European, Asian, pre-white boy South American history...really most places on earth.  There are exceptions, but they are small, and they sadly get swallowed by their militaristic neighbors.

The biggest reason I appreciate patriotism is because it (should) dictate and appreciation for one's nieghbor.  If your on our side of the line (national border), you are with us, we are on the same team.  This one man is an island shit is too stupid to argue on this site anymore.  If that's your belief fine.  Go live alone in the woods with all the shit you bought made by other people in factories hundreds of miles away.  I'm sure your handy enough to do everything doctor farmer plumber man.

I detest the lack of respect for the people in your immediate surroundings.  For your nieghbors.

Upon re-reading your writings I doubt we dissagree on this.  I mis-interpreted "Looking around today at this pathetic thing that was the USA".  I appreciate your defense of proper grammer and language use, it's important.

That said, I'm not convinced your interpretation of history is correct, nor am I convinced that America's morality is going down the drain.  I'll point to slavery, seeing as it was such a non-factor in the civil war and all.  The endless sink of morality is garbage old people say who haven't taken a history class in too long.  It's always getting worse, except for the fact that we don't physically torture people to force them to work.  Apparently America now tortures people for fun (security!), but not to work.  At least not legally.

As for anyone's right to scecede any time they feel a slight.  Not convinced.  Those rules apply to your teenagers too?

I'm more ears than anyone else here on the worst comment section in the internet.  Prove to me our morality has declined.  A statistic, more than one would be good.  We all like numbers here.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 00:51 | Link to Comment Turkey
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And I mis-attributed a quote to you that wasn't you.  Pardon. 

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Turkey
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Step it up South.  Start your own currency and secede.  I'm sure the South West will be fine without water.  The South East will be fine, although I'll give you 30 years before you're outbread by the Mexicans, then we can just conquer your ass again.

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