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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics

Drone Club

The first rule of Fight Club?

You don’t talk about Fight Club.

Obama isn’t a member of Fight Club; he’s a member of Drone Club — which targets individuals in foreign lands, including American citizens and their families, for extrajudicial assassination by drone. And the first rule of Drone Club?

You don’t talk about it.

Via Reprieve:

Apple has for the third time this month rejected an iPhone app which alerts the user to a drone attack and to the number of people killed.  Drones+ enables those concerned to track the strikes to their handset.

 

This is no doubt an uncomfortable prospect for the US authorities, whose use of drones extends to Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, where no war has been declared.  Such drone strikes have killed more than 3,300 people in Pakistan alone since 2004, according to reports by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.  

Now we don’t know who made this decision, whether Apple thinks that citizens knowing of drone strikes is a national security risk, or whether Apple were leaned on by the CIA, NSA or Pentagon — though given that Obama has prosecuted more whistleblowers than all other Presidents combined, the latter wouldn’t be entirely unsurprising. Nonetheless, whatever the truth this is a very disturbing development — after all, how can we rightly judge the administration’s foreign and national security policy without having up to date facts?

Obama claims that the drone strikes are conducted on a very rigorous basis:

1 “It has to be a target that is authorised by our laws.”

 

2 “It has to be a threat that is serious and not speculative.”

 

3 “It has to be a situation in which we can’t capture the individual before they move forward on some sort of operational plot against the United States.”

 

4 “We’ve got to make sure that in whatever operations we conduct, we are very careful about avoiding civilian casualties.”

 

5 “That while there is a legal justification for us to try and stop [American citizens] from carrying out plots … they are subject to the protections of the Constitution and due process.”

Yet as Wired notes:

At least two of those five points appear to be half-truths at best. In both Yemen and Pakistan, the CIA is allowed to launch a strike based on the target’s “signature” — that is, whether he appears to look and act like a terrorist. As senior U.S. officials have repeatedly confirmed, intelligence analysts don’t even have to know the target’s name, let alone whether he’s planning to attack the U.S. In some cases, merely being a military-aged male at the wrong place at the wrong time is enough to justify your death.

Micah Zenko adds:

What I found most striking was his claim that legitimate targets are a ‘threat that is serious and not speculative,’ and engaged in ‘some operational plot against the United States. The claim that the 3,000+ people killed in roughly 375 nonbattlefield targeted killings were all engaged in actual operational plots against the U.S. defies any understanding of the scope of what America has been doing for the past ten years.

Of course, just as worrying as the actual policy is the fact that the public widely approves of it.

The Washington Post notes:

The sharpest edges of President Obama’s counterterrorism policy, including the use of drone aircraft to kill suspected terrorists abroad and keeping open the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, have broad public support, including from the left wing of the Democratic Party.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that Obama, who campaigned on a pledge to close the brig in Cuba and to change national security policies he criticized as inconsistent with U.S. law and values, has little to fear politically for failing to live up to all of those promises.

 

The survey shows that 70 percent of respondents approve of Obama’s decision to keep open the prison at Guantanamo Bay. He pledged during his first week in office to close the prison within a year, but he has not done so.

 

Obama has also relied on armed drones far more than Bush did, and he has expanded their use beyond America’s defined war zones. The Post-ABC News poll found that 83 percent of Americans approve of Obama’s drone policy, which administration officials refuse to discuss, citing security concerns.

83%? It was George Lucas’ Princess Amidala who noted that freedom usually dies to thunderous applause.

Wikipedia:

Extrajudicial punishments are by their nature unlawful, since they bypass the due process of the legal jurisdiction in which they occur. Extrajudicial killings often target leading political, trade union, dissident, religious, and social figures and may be carried out by the state government or other state authorities like the armed forces and police.

I’d like to see Obama answering as to whether his sanctioning of extrajudicial killing resides within the rule of law.

Ben Swann wanted to know the same thing, but Obama wasn’t answering:

 

You don’t talk about Drone Club.

 


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Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:16 | Link to Comment Aziz
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Ben Swann video missing from the end of the piece, hope Tyler can add it back, if not here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WrRuNOaNYME 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:27 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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And there's land units already operational too:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/pentagon-robot-can-run-faster-than-usain-bol...

Robotics professor warns that DARPA droids will be used to “kill people”

The robots will operate with “supervised autonomy”, according to DARPA, and will be able to act intelligently by themselves, making their own decisions if and when direct supervision is not possible.

The Pentagon also envisions that the robots will be able to use basic and diverse “tools”.

Saturn 3 becoming reality.

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:32 | Link to Comment Bennie Noakes
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Cool! Sounds like Boston Dynamics, Inc. is well on its way to becoming the real-life Cyberdyne Systems. Does it have a ticker symbol yet?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:19 | Link to Comment sunaJ
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Yes, the American public is beyond understanding the amount of innocent bloodshed that goes on. We have enemy combatants, which can be a low threshold to reach, indeed. But the American public has difficulty even distinguishing Muslim and terrorist (let alone combatant). It's all "the terrorists" to Americans.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:37 | Link to Comment asteroids
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What the hell are you Americans going to do when someone uses a drone on US soil eh? What will you do when your innocent neighbours kid gets killed by one.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:43 | Link to Comment knukles
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Claim some Muslim motherfucker from afar was responsible, invade another dark skinned funny talkin' scribbly writing country with oil and gold in the name of freedom and democracy.

Fuck else you expect?
Not enough examples already?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:48 | Link to Comment Big Corked Boots
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Naaahhh - we'll just change the channel.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:36 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Reprive from yesterday, pertinent perhaps...

The simulation is running perfectly.

No capable human subjects are showing extreme distress.

Gold today, Oil tomorrow, Silver there-after, corn for good measure, did we forget iron ore? What a bore, let's crash the Loonie, spike the Yen and count to ten.

Then drone a kill, or 25,

And show it on the TV, live.

Still the capable people snore.

All is good.

The simulation is running perfectly.

ori

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:12 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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Claim some Muslim motherfucker from afar was responsible

From Hawaii, Kenya, or Indonesia?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:42 | Link to Comment john39
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you suggestion that obama is a muslim is insulting to all good muslims.  he is scum, nothing more.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:10 | Link to Comment Element
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Not quite, he's mass-murdering scum ... which is more ... at his war-crimes trial.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:43 | Link to Comment Dave Thomas
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Don't even need Muslims anymore.

They're looking for DOMESTIC terrorists now: http://constitution.org/abus/le/miac-strategic-report.pdf

The Scary brown people were just there to get the foot in the door.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:21 | Link to Comment merizobeach
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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and speaking of our courageous commander in chief (we're all in the army now; it's war time), the second rule of drone club is you definitely do speak of drone club, like on leno or as a casual joke:

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/president-obama-tells-joke-jonas-brothers-draws...

the difference is it's super secret if someone is asking you a critical question but totally out there if there is a good chance it is politically helpful to mention it or just good fun (like bush's mocking of the pleas for mercy of the young woman he put to death in texas).  

to call these guys monsters insults ted bundy.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:53 | Link to Comment JohnKozac
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"They're jealous of our freedom," is what I heard.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 05:38 | Link to Comment falak pema
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bare knuckles talking...not marquis of queensbury walking; below the belt is fine provided its certified as doing God's work; God's rep. being a Oligarch with an Zirp-Indulgence deilvered from the FED to fund his lucrative operations on a leveraged, no interest, "profit sharing" basis by a TBTF PD. Blackwater type shills surrounding him when he inspects his new oil, gold or rare earth domains in shangrila, now lala-drone contaminated and drug baron infested third world back yard.

Lots of mileage left along that road...wait for the boomerang effect; when the oligarch becomes Crassus's ghost at Carrhae...

Battle of Carrhae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Current Oligarchy battle scene : Glencore, Xstrata and Qatar...battle of the juggernaughts to collar minerals and world commodity trading...the face of another new world giant emerging, even bigger and more "squeeze ugly" on the sheeple of the world.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 07:30 | Link to Comment Charles Bishop ...
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  Seriously. They're working on something for us right now--an autonomously intelligent android they've nicknamed.. 'Bishop."

 We're planning on sending them on every mission we run as cutouts for company internal security officers.

what could possibly go wrong?

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:37 | Link to Comment the misanthrope
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but do they know the 'Three Laws of Robotics' ?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:48 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

but do they know the 'Three Laws of Robotics' ?

No, but they know the first law of Davros:

Exterminaaaaate!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:01 | Link to Comment TwoShortPlanks
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Davros...Davos?! Hmmmmm

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:17 | Link to Comment Manthong
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I think that this is something to worry about..

Charlie Foxtrot anybody?


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57507043-1/swarm-of-quadrotors-lights-up-the-austrian-sky/

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:53 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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But in the spirit of full disclosure they will collectively swarm to display http://www.giantrobot.com/wp-media-uploads/tsa-logo.gif before they attack.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:55 | Link to Comment knukles
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+100 for Dr. Who

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:25 | Link to Comment merizobeach
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"but do they know the 'Three Laws of Robotics'?"

If you want one of those, you have to get it from USR.  I think these drones are supplied by SkyNet, makers of the fine terminator series of humanoid robots.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment tabasco71
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Not sure they apply - a missile launch from a drone is ultimately sanctioned by a human.

 

Look relax, Ob is a nobel peace price winner... it'll all be fine.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:58 | Link to Comment SgtShaftoe
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Drones and advanced technology demand supply trains hundreds of miles long.  Likely if the US begins operations domestically (that would suck), this technology won't have spare parts, and will be highly vulnerable to supply chain disruptions.  The Afganis have been kicking the US military's advanced technology's ass for years, and they're a bunch of toothless idiots living in the 15th century, but with rifles.  Don't be so in awe by this technology.  It's not so invincible as it may seem in passing. 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:09 | Link to Comment TwoShortPlanks
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AMEE went to Mars. :)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:59 | Link to Comment Overfed
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You kiddn'? When drone strikes commence in the US (and they will), the great majority of people in this country will be grovelling and gobbling gov't cock for saving them from the evil "homegrown terrorists".

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:00 | Link to Comment billsykes
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They also wanted to lose. but you are on target with the supply chain- those missile fins require neodymium magnets, a rare earth, found mainly in China.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:14 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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those missile fins require neodymium magnets, a rare earth, found mainly in China.

You can get it for almost free along with platinum if you know where to look for it.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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How do we shoot them down?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:57 | Link to Comment Doomer
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Ask the Iranians.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:47 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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Okay, Googled that. Apparently the Serbs shot down a bunch of them. Looks like the base model only flies 100 MPH, so that might not be so difficult. The others though are fast.

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/06/cia_dr...

 

 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:35 | Link to Comment merizobeach
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The Iranians didn't even have to shoot.  They just clicked a garage door opener at it, and the thing landed on their tarmac.

(Note: "clicker" may've been Made in China, but not at the same factory as yours or mine was.)

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:17 | Link to Comment SgtShaftoe
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I just said the weakest link is the supply chain.  Drones need fuel, pilots, parts, runways, comms, sat-coms, logistics equipment, tires, etc. etc.  Most importantly, the entire American military complex is built on the US Dollar.  If the dollar goes, the rest would likely follow quickly.   If drones were ever turned on the American people, they wouldn't stay operational for a week, just a guess. 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:11 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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not sure what your definition of "turned on" means, but the first drone assisted arrest happened last year in North Dakota.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-federal-predator-drones-have-been...

granted, no one was killed. . . yet.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment tabasco71
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Just because the USA invented the technology does not mean that they are automatically the best placed to implement it.  There could be second adopters who have better control over the systems and therefore utilise the technology to greater effect - this could be because they have different belief and value systems, for example.

 

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 07:42 | Link to Comment Charles Bishop ...
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Don't get it twisted, sarge..The" Afghans" ARE  a secret weapon. they LIVE at 20,000 feet,they breed in a hive, and they bleed molecular acid. our internal security team thinks it's time to pull back the regular troops and initiate a 'nuke the site from orbit' protocol:

 IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:04 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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obummer makes bush jr. on his worst day look like a sweetheart. (note: i detest both parties.)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvj0C7Qx9Rc&feature=player_embedded

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:39 | Link to Comment Red Heeler
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"obummer makes bush jr. on his worst day look like a sweetheart."

Bush laid the foundation that Obama is now building upon.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:46 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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watch the vid heel.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:43 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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looks like BSwann has been making some rumblings deep up the Pyramid and the BigO was called in to try and pull a Jedi Mind Trick on him and his audience.    will he be seduced by the Dark Side in return for promises of fame & filthy lucre?    stay tuned to Virtual Reality Check....

the raw 7 minute 1on1 video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ceobsac7LE8

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:16 | Link to Comment PSEUDOLOGOI
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Member of the Drone Club?

As in Bankster's drone?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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6 "Just kidding on 5".

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:17 | Link to Comment Julian
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Take cover Bitchez!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:19 | Link to Comment spinone
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They shouldn't have hated us for our freedoms

Has anyone but me been telling Chuck Norris jokes for the past few days?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:58 | Link to Comment ptoemmes
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Obama uses drones to kill alleged terrorists because sending Chuck Norris in to do the job would be too inhumane.

Predator Drones fear Chuck Norris.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:21 | Link to Comment Kantbelieveit
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If the President can kill anyone by declaring them to be an enemy of the state, what can't he do?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:47 | Link to Comment XitSam
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Well.  He can't create a debt so big he can't add to it.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:06 | Link to Comment machineh
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Nor can he 'add it' at all -- his calculator doesn't have that many digits.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:58 | Link to Comment TJ00
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What can't he do?

 

Be human.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:41 | Link to Comment ZeroAvatar
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Balance a budget?  PROPOSE a budget?

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 11:17 | Link to Comment tsx500
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speak semi-intelligently without a teleprompter ?

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment tsx500
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how 'bout tell the truth ?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:09 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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Hmmm...give a speech from memory?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:35 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Kantbelieveit asked:

If the President can kill anyone by declaring them to be an enemy of the state, what can't he do?

Uphold the Constitution and defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

(Of course, that whole oath of office thing has been a running joke in Vichy DC for more than a century.)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:05 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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for starters:

help the u.s. economy recover in any sustainable way.

take a risk to do the right thing.

enforce a rule of laws not men.

do what he said he'd do.

put a single bankster in jail (ghw bush jailed hundreds).

say his oath of office without a hitch.

preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the united states.

 

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:14 | Link to Comment Whatta
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did I mention...fvck Obama?

 

Gary North has an OK column about TPTB

 

http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1188.html

http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1193.html

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 06:44 | Link to Comment putaipan
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don't forget - all the dead laying around "anyone" are "enemies of the state" too .... unless they can prove otherwise.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:21 | Link to Comment Vet4RonPaul
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Romney and Obama, GOP and Dems are both in favor of drone attacks on US citizens.  Americans had a chance to reject both and choose Ron Paul but they chose Romney and so Obama will win.  Obama, Romney, Newt, Santorium (yuck), are all neocon chickenhawk warmongering bailout-the-banksters socialists.  Good luck America.  I've got my second country passport and citzenship figured out; you're fucked.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:46 | Link to Comment Overfed
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I can't believe you got junked. Apparently we have some Chickenhawks here.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:09 | Link to Comment machineh
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Or Depublicrats who still believe in 'voting for reform' -- LOL!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:07 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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don't forget zionists.  they are some touchy people.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:05 | Link to Comment Vet4RonPaul
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No worries Mr. Overfed, looks like the same four chickenhawks junked you too!  haha; well, we're not going to let a little chickenhawk junk stop us are we Mr. Overfed?  hang tough bro

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:13 | Link to Comment seek
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He might be getting junked (not me) about saying americans chose Romney.

One thing is clear from watching both the RNC and DNC conventions, as well as the manuverings within the states -- to say that the candidates are representing any "choice" by the electorate is a joke, with the level of delegate manipulation and the media's censorship of alternative candidates, it's clear the only choosing going on is happening in backrooms and voting machine back doors, not ballot boxes.

Hopefully the country collapses before a second passport and citizenship is needed. If it doesn't, drones will be gracing the skies of your destination soon enough.

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:49 | Link to Comment Vet4RonPaul
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right on seek!  did you see that DNC clip where they took a voice vote and like 1/3 yelled 'Aye' and 2/3s yelled 'No' and after three times like that the douche in charge says 'the ayes have it'!!!  that was so fucking funny.  i love when then RNC and DNC show their own suckups how much they give a shit about their opinion

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:17 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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it was a telling moment.  god and jerusalem.  got to out mitt mitt.  what whores.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/05/convention-floor-chaos-d...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:20 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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Vet4RonPaul:

"I've got my second country passport and citzenship figured out; you're fucked."

Why then are you still hanging around?  You're not like Sean Penn and the liberal douchbags are you?  You know, the ones who said that if W got a second term, they'd be vamanoose to Quebec and shit?

You're not gone already?  Please give us a chance!

We can't miss you if you're not gone.

Vamanose, seniore!

- Ned

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:43 | Link to Comment Vet4RonPaul
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hi new_meat, i'm still hanging around cuz i'm making cash that puts me in the top 5%.  (yea that's bragging but it is the reason; or did someone else make that money for me?! haha)  when that cash stops coming in, or when i see the drones overhead, my fam and i will have the choice to enter another country as existing citizens; actually it's the passport of an EU country so we might even go to one with cheap housing (eg. Greece, Spain, lol).  but, in truth, you're right that I'm not likely to just up and jump ship cuz i've been around the world a few times and i know the other places aren't that free or great either.  My comments are meant more to alert people that we really have slipped a long way from our freedoms and i want to encourage people to think about how precious freedom really is.  take er easy ned

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment phalfa5
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if yiur not going to be part of the solution, then your part of the problem.  Best take your "5%" butt and move on before the pitchforks are uncorked.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:37 | Link to Comment Vet4RonPaul
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 i'm from the city and i didn't realize pitchforks got uncorked.  fascinating, but i do know this; don't bring a pitchfork to a gun fight! haha

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:00 | Link to Comment Ima anal sphincter
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I keep hearing about people wanting to run off to other countries before TSHTF. Please......hasten your exit. If you're not willing to fight the system, get the fuck outa-here.

Even if I could go....I wouldn't. Some of us have to stay to straighten this out. I see some record short trial times a-comin. 12 guilty votes, no appeal, SNAP!!!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:22 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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i disagree.  it's a rule of laws that is missing.  the rule of men we got.  obama don't care; he'll kill you with a drone, no trial, no one even knows you're dead half the time.

and it's ok with four fifths of the american people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-finds-broad-support-for-obam...

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 07:20 | Link to Comment Fred C Dobbs
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When and how are you going to fight?  Because I keep hearing that too.  

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 03:10 | Link to Comment Kiwi Pete
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I hope your second country ain't Pakistan.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 07:18 | Link to Comment Fred C Dobbs
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The Iowa Republican primary was fixed.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:26 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"...including American citizens and their families..."

A constitutional law professor...lol...and Eric Holder STILL cannot be reached for a comment.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:50 | Link to Comment XitSam
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Luckily, they killed that 16-year old kid before he could "move forward on some sort of operational plot against the United States.”

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:16 | Link to Comment machineh
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'constitutional law professor'

Is that sort of like a 'real estate novelist,' or a 'Skittle-shitting unicorn'?

To paraphrase Jim Morrison:

Petition the government ... with writs
PETITION the government ... with WRITS
Petition the GOVERNMENT ... with WRITS
YOU CANNOT PETITION THE GOVERNMENT ... WITH WRITS!!!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:01 | Link to Comment moonman
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Nice Doors reference

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:01 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Now there's a question...the novelist or the unicorn rider.

Is it better to live fast in brief, bright glory or linger and then fade away? Looking back on mine, it seems I tried like hell for the former for a while, probably like most, failed and am now stuck with the latter.

At least I had options ;-)

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 08:22 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Obama never was a 'constitutional law professor'. He was a lecturer. His fake persona required a loftier title, so someone started calling him a constitutional law professor, the MSM kept repeating it, and the obamabots now assume it's true. Nothing about Obama is as it seems, and the 'facts' change. Consider how he switched from saying he was born in Kenya - hoping to seem more exotic, I guess - to admitting later that he was born in Hawaii.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:27 | Link to Comment scatterbrains
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When are they coming out with the drone model designed to hoover over U.S. cities picking off folks caught outdoors via heat signature tracking non lethal sound pulses that are to be used during the coming dusk to dawn martial law curfews? The ones that can lock on 100 targets at a time.

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:36 | Link to Comment JohnnyBriefcase
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What we are allowed to see now was probably developed secretly in the 80's or 90's.

Just wait 'till they let us see what they are developing now.

 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 08:25 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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I assume you meant 'hover' rather than 'hoover'. I envisioned a huge vacuum cleaner flying over the US and sucking up all those in opposition to the chosen one. Hoover is a brand of vacuum cleaner, in case you were unaware. Not sure whether I'd rather be targeted by an armed drone or a flying super-sucker.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment exi1ed0ne
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As long as it can go from suck to blow were good.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 14:02 | Link to Comment exi1ed0ne
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Well, there is at least one person who isn't a fan of Space Balls.  Must be a Mel Brooks hater.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:31 | Link to Comment tony bonn
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obama is a murderer and a liar - call it for what it is......that fake birth certificate he published is the least of his crimes...although he couldn't get a driver's license in any state which has implemented the nazi act.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:19 | Link to Comment machineh
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With all those multiple layers in the Adobe Illustrator file of his Hawaii birth cert -- brazenly posted on the White House website -- he's openly laughing at us.

"All your 'reporters' are belong to us!"

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 11:37 | Link to Comment tsx500
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yep .  plus , i'm SURE it's purely coincidental that the bin Laden operation took place just a couple days after the  dramatic release of BHO's birth certificate !!  (**cough-distraction-cough**)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:31 | Link to Comment falak pema
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cannibalism is the last stage of regression...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:34 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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I thought it was humor. As in "did you hear the one about the cannibal and his wife? He told her to eat me but she fed him instead!"

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 04:14 | Link to Comment falak pema
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there are situations where cannibalism is intense pathos; remember the plane crash in the Andes and how the survivors agreed to sacrifice their own lives and bodies to save their more healthy mates?

Awesome sacrifice! 

Humanity is only great when people are ready to sacrifice to save those who will survive. For freedom and justice we are all slaves of the rule of law and the free will of men ready to sacrifice, life, liberty and happiness so that others, the majority, may enjoy those inalienable rights...having said that, humor is the salt and pepper of happiness.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:31 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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So what's the latest goings on in Fight Club?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:20 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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how do you prosecute a crime if you don't know what the crime is?

every battle, every war... has been won/conquered by weaponry's technological advancements [arrows, spears, gun powder, wmd's{nukes/poison[mustard gas] gases/amthrax's, etc.]} over time. sixty years hence, we are now a third generation neo-nuclear family with the capability of blowing-up the entire world, or at best?, making it inhabitable for centuries.

just think what weapons we can build from this next world war, and its wmd technological advances.

it was Einstein that said, "it is not WWIII that worries me, but WWIV?  i often wonder silently if he ever fathomed the advent of the computer and the speeding-up of time, where in the last fifty years we have seen the very beginning of time, and ever expansion of our universe where mankind is at the precipice of creating the "God Particle, aka, Higgs boson"?

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Joebloinvestor
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Seems like that would apply to Mexican drug lord/cartel leaders.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:34 | Link to Comment freewolf7
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"If I don't think about it, it's not happening. Since it's not happening, I don't have to do anything about it. Doing anything about it would be disruptive to my life. Okay, what was I doing before I saw this article that made me uncomfortable? Oh yeah..." Dissociation is a coping skill. Hey, it worked in Fight Club.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:59 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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Multiple personality disorder rocks.  I love the part where he beat himself up.  

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:35 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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the US Govt is delusional and deranged

Stop Paying Your Taxes... don't fund this shit

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 09:34 | Link to Comment exi1ed0ne
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I WISH we only got the government we paid for!  Until incoming revenue makes a difference on expendatures, not paying taxes is a one way trip to hell.  There are more productive avenues for your time, resources and energy than fighting a faceless beurocracy that is heavily tilted not in your favor.  You won't even score any points for public sympathy, since you aren't paying your fair share[1].  You'd be better off using those resources to buy a second passport and move to a place with zero taxes.

[1] http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_the_monkey_banana_and_water_spray_experime...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:37 | Link to Comment TheGardener
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Drones are still amateur stuff. Get in while you can, a year`s worth of good research and an ounce or two will get you up and spying back.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:20 | Link to Comment machineh
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Remote viewing while high?

I'll give it a try ...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:38 | Link to Comment EndTheMedia
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If you execute a successful drone strike, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American drone system that we have, that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in laser guided missiles and war propaganda. If you’ve got a drone -- you didn’t drone that. Somebody else made that happen. Drones didn’t get invented on their own. Government research created drones so that all the companies could make money off them.

altmediapost.com

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:19 | Link to Comment Aziz
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+10

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 03:20 | Link to Comment Kiwi Pete
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So are you saying that American teachers are legitinate targets in this war?

And also that all American civilians are now legitimate targets in this war?

How about a drone strike commander taking her kids to soccer practice after a hard day killing suspects?

 

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:40 | Link to Comment IMA5U
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Speaking of Fight Club...

 

I shall be there 2nite...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:50 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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all you droners are chickenshit cocksuckers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6mpHW3SMcc

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:52 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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...and the cowardliest lions of all.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:42 | Link to Comment LMAOLORI
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:47 | Link to Comment kato
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SO Mr. John Aziz what do you propose? Getting on your knees and sucking Mullahs dick? You do that. I much prefer we use drones to discriminantly as possible kill those who - ESPECIALLY Americans in foreign lands who - would wish you to be under their jackboot, just because you reside in north America and are not Muslim.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:56 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Go immerse yourself in more television, you whimpering pansy. Reality is too complex for you.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment r00t61
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But didn't you know?  24 is completely real.  Rudy Giuliani said so.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:38 | Link to Comment Excursionist
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While shrill, Kato's ramble has at least two fair questions embedded in it:

1. How does the Guest Poster envision due process unfolding in a shit hole like Yemen or Somalia?  Or Afghanistan?  Or Pakistan?

2. Is the lesser of two evils really avoiding all collateral damage while allowing bad guys to run amok in their safe havens?

This thread is heavy on theory and light on practicality.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:26 | Link to Comment Aziz
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Um here's what a propose

1/ Transparency.

2/ The rule of law, the Constitution & judicial procedure.

3/ A foreign policy based on nonaggression, trade & friendship to all peaceable nations.

4/ Military force in the case of self-defence. Self-defence does not mean flying a drone over someone else's country and killing someone who I suspect of maybe in the future doing something adverse to American interests. It means self-defence. 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:42 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Um here's what a propose

1/ Transparency.

2/ The rule of law, the Constitution & judicial procedure.

3/ A foreign policy based on nonaggression, trade & friendship to all peaceable nations.

4/ Military force in the case of self-defence.

You sound lahk wunna them thar radical mooslim terrists!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:21 | Link to Comment Element
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Ah yes, but you see, the best defense is an offense ... you have to preempt the sand-niggah, or else you'll find yourself in a war, in no time flat ... ... oh ... wait ... sorry ... that strangely made no sense at all when I read it back again.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:31 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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Mr Aziz, with regards your "proposal" post, a couple of questions if you please.

do you believe amrka has at any time in history been anywhere near fulfilling your points raised?

and, do you believe your ideals are in any way possible in the future?

lastly, are there any nationstates that come close to your ideals, in your opinion?

 

thanks.

 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 04:37 | Link to Comment YuShun
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No country is perfect, but...Confederation Helvetica.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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no country is perfect simply because nationstates are not created for the benefit of the "nationals" - they are created for farming the nationals, a border to contain the peoples, to create laws, exponentially, then penalise the offenders, profits, taxes, etc.

I was merely hoping to point to the notion that there cannot be an idealised nationstate, one that respects the flagwavers - that's not how the system works, except on the surface.

so many are fixated on change towards a "more perfect union" - the disappointment grows, but the idealisation grows with it, allowing fast talking politicians to dangle hopes -  better to be more honest about realities, and work from there. . .

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:37 | Link to Comment Overfed
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Kato, I junked you for your lack of critical thinking skills.

 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:20 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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who needs a trial....due process takes too long

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:48 | Link to Comment Timmay
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Mitt Romney will undo what Obama has done

Paul Rayn gets personal revenge on those who called him  " class brown noser"  in High School

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:17 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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My people have been slaves long enough.  Enslaved by the beasts who dazzle them with red teams and blue teams.  Vote for Bush, he will be better than Clinton.  Vote for Obama, he will be better than Bush.

The people who can create money at will -- how can they not own Obama?  How can they not own McCain?  Or -- sorry -- whoever the latest one is.

It is time for us to put aside childish things. 

Wake up, everybody. 

The time of beasts is ending, and tomorrow we humans start taking back our world.

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:54 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Flying around a cities close by when the citizens anger the banksters.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Cloud9.5
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I am glad that I am an old man.  I am sorry that my grand daughter is just a child.  These chickens are going to come home to roost.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:12 | Link to Comment Red Heeler
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I have an acquaintance with whom I have been corresponding for the past four years. When we first began to correspond, he stated how glad he was that he was in his late seventies and didn't have to worry about when TSHTF but felt bad for his children and grandchildren.

Last week he asked me for a tutorial in buying precious metals.

My point is, as my acquaintance just realized, you might not be too old to miss the festivities yourself.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:57 | Link to Comment S474NtheD3v1L
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Hobomba is heartbroken, heartbroken i say, over the loss of innocent life his drone strikes have caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGlu1TkcekQ

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:34 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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so was cheney, but then he got a new one.

(shhh, don't ask from where)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:59 | Link to Comment Divine Wind
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I bet my UNIMOG will transform that robot bitch into a pile of twisted metal and wires.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 03:43 | Link to Comment Ar-Pharazôn
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does your unimog fly?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:04 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Ohei, I just noticed I turned 3 in ZH years last week!

 

Hahahahaha we're so fucked.  Up yours Ben-cntl-P!!!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:18 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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Happy birthday, Jim.

I'm glad you're here.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:07 | Link to Comment the 300000000th...
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He must be doing it to save lives, right?? ............... Isnt that what nobel peace prize winners do??

do i even need to say   -> sarc

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:13 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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write </sarc> and folks will get it ;-)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:08 | Link to Comment Tsar Pointless
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This will happen in a fascist state.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:09 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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OK, Rosanne Rosanadana:

"What's all this talk I hear about killing people with drones?  Why when I was a little girl my Auntie Petunia would come visit and we all would wonder about her name, because she stank, and she would drone on and on about soup and nuts and cocks and balls and sacks of peanuts or something, droning on and on and on and on and on and on...."

(Jane Curtain leans over, whispers in her ear)

"OH.   Never mind.  And fuck you facist assassins!  Remember, you don't have to follow unConstitutional orders kids!"

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:12 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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"Obama claims that the drone strikes are conducted on a very rigorous basis:..."

strikes v. AMCITs (no matter what the category or situation) are spitting into the face of US law.  So we again have the situation where classical Freud "projection" is being used.  They rigorously prosecute AMCITS who meet their definition of "enemy", or perhaps "undesirable'.

Bastards

- Ned

{all kinds of "projection" being deployed this week at the Queen-City Convention, but all part of the master plan.}

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:17 | Link to Comment Cazzi amari
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We're all bitchez now.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjGEMALNAjc

A piece by Coldcut that still fits so nicely today.

Rejoice friends!

Big government is over.
From now on, instead of Community,
You will be left in the market place,
To fend for yourselves, claw for yourselves,
Stab for yourselves, guard for yourselves
What little money, savings, dignity and shelter You have left.

After your jobs are downsized and exported to Mexico,
Tennis shoes made by slaves in camps in Indonesia,
Computer jobs sent across the ocean to Indonesia...
You will be next unless you bow down in the garboots
And throw your benefits away, your raises away...
And this is all you have to look forward to,
Forever and ever and ever
As more and more benefits are slashed.

No more "tax and spend" welfare state.
The windfall from tax cuts for the rich is more
And more people out in the cold on the street.
Begging for money.
And when that doesn't work:
Robbing people
Car jacking
Home invasion.
Everyone taught that life is so cheap,
And there's nothing to look forward to,
Except what you can score
And smoke in a pipe

Ending welfare as we know it
Means third would crime
As we know it

So why is it all these young people today
Misbehave
Misbehave
Misbehave?

Don't they appreciate the world we've built for them?
Crappy jobs, dod eat dog, no compassion in the marketplace.
If you like school, you'll love work.
Instead they ditch school
And hang out on the street.
Yob culture, Young hooligans.
Everywhere you look, on TV anyway,
And in the newspaper,
More and more people
Will pour in the streets
As their rents go up
And job opportunities go down.
So we have to keep them down
Before they rise up and burn our
House of cards to the ground.

It's just the cost of doing business
In third world countries where we keep the peasants down.
We have to live in armed compounds, with armed guards,
Play tennis at gunpoint

A different route to work behind bulletproof glass each day,
But hey, the more the hordes hate you the more status you've got.
Why not do this with the whole world?
With GATT treaties, downsizing...
But what about those goddamned hooligans in the street?
We stole their future?!
It's all their fault!
We must lock them up
But there is no room in the jails
So the best way to sweep them away:
Make every home a prison today!
Curfew, Curfew!
Who cares how much our leaders are corrupt,
As long as they are tough on crime...
Curfew...
Keep them away!
Curfew...
No longer unauthorised activity

You can't leave your home without an electronic ankle bracelet.
Young offenders must be tagged and watched at all times.
Tag their parents with bracelets too if they don't obey.
For that matter tag them at work and make them stay...

The main enemy,
Terrorist threat,
Is your own children...

Think about it:
The music they listen to
That tells them the world is bad.
It's the songs that are the problem
Not the violence outside
Keep them locked up!
Keep them in curfew...
Put them away!
Don't let them out!

We are tougher on crime,
before the election.
We want a national law
Establishing children's bedtimes.
Bedtime Patrol,
We'll check up on you...
Bedtime Patrol,
Make sure that your bracelet is on.
The nanny state:
To reach down your pants and check to see if you've been
Moistening yourself with any unauthorised substance without permission

Tag them!
Curfew them!
Keep them down!
Keep them at home!
At school!
To rent a video on the way home
And stay home.
Just like at work...
Do not gather after dark...
Curfew!
It's such a family oriented word.
A much more acceptable smiling soft word.
A much more pallatable concept,

THAN MARTIAL LAW!

Put your bracelets on
You are safer when you are watched
Don't go outside
You'll set the alarm off!
Curfew
Forever
And ever and ever!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:09 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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tldr

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:23 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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I bet they'd look awesome after a few paint bomb hits.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:31 | Link to Comment Xibalba
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War!!! What are we fightin for? 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:33 | Link to Comment billsykes
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Little bit off topic because its a happy thing but those FPV RC plane videos are really cool (geeky but cool). 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_384394&feature=iv&...

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:43 | Link to Comment Poor Grogman
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No wonder they don't want the sheeple to stand too close to government buildings and wall street banks.

Bigga badda boom....

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:47 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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This is the end now, my droogies.  When an American 'president' can assassinate Americans, and nobody gives a shit.  Get ready fast, for the day of purification comes apace.

If I forget thee, oh America, may my right arm wither.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:57 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 A Christmas Story!   yer gonna shoot yer eye out kid :)  AIM HIGH ^

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Bartanist
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Just like Obama, the media and the banks ... drones are a tool fo Satan.

The fight and decision is within each one of us who we support.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:58 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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America has become "Murder Incorporated". Frankly, there is no legal basis in international law for the USA to be carrying out extrajudicial targeted killings. But of course we know where the precident came from don't we? Yes, of course, Israel has practiced targeted killings of anyone deemed a threat to Israel. The legal basis is simply suspicion of a threat.

The USA has become a giant Israel. We use their system of international terror in order to exercise control over parts of the world we deem in our national interests.

In the long run, we are creating a number of people who are building up a massive grudge against these targeted killings in other sovereign nations. As I told a friend recently, these enemies we create by continued extra legal killings of foreign citizens in foreign countries are someday going to get lucky and acquire a weapon of some type that can cause mass casualties. I don't know what it will be, but given time, money and a bit of luck someone with a major grudge will get a weapon of mass destruction. It seems clear that a blowback event will happen. I think out government knows it is creating deadly enemies by these drone killing programs. I think they know a blow back event is coming. I think they will simply use it to expand killings world wide and to clamp down even further on the American people at home.

Question: "Do any ZH readers see any reason why the American government, intelligence agencies and corporate elites would not welcome the opportunities a new 9/11 type event would afford them?"

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:05 | Link to Comment Overfed
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Aww...c'mon Jack. The TV says they hate us for our freedoms and because we're not Muslim. That's what I and 70% of my fellow Americans believe. /s

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Jack Burton said:

In the long run, we are creating a number of people who are building up a massive grudge against these targeted killings in other sovereign nations.

It's called farming terrorists. The Military/Industrial/Financial/Political complex can literally get away with murder as long as they can keep everyone in fear of some lurking monster that is out to get them. The whole red menace of "commonism" worked great for decades, until the USSR's mathematically inevitable bankruptcy and unraveling occurred. The Military/Industrial/Financial/Political welfare queens knew that their gravy train of free taxpayer money would be drying up unless they could create another monster.

Terrorism fit the bill perfectly. By its very nature, it is a war without end, because there is no clearly defined enemy which can surrender or be defeated. The nice thing is that all that needs to be done to raise fresh crops of terrorists is to continue torturing, maiming, and incinerating the innocent. Of course, it always helps to hypocritically strut and preen about supporting freedom, justice, and human rights while simultaneously doing everything possible to snuff out every last trace of these noble concepts.

I don't know what it will be, but given time, money and a bit of luck someone with a major grudge will get a weapon of mass destruction. It seems clear that a blowback event will happen.

I hope and pray that, should such a thing happen, it completely cleanses the earth of Vichy DC, Wall Street, and the square mile known as the City of London.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:03 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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Question: "Do any ZH readers see any reason why the American government, intelligence agencies and corporate elites would not welcome the opportunities a new 9/11 type event would afford them?"

welcome? I reckon they'll just continue with their (American gov, "intelligence" agencies, corporates) methods, arming both sides to fight each other through "covert ops" - a grand amrkn tradition going all the way back.

but you know this already.  as TheFourthStooge-ing says above, "perpetual war" is profitable, and amrka is all about profiteering.

great post(s).

 

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