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Guest Post: Drone Club

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics

Drone Club

The first rule of Fight Club?

You don’t talk about Fight Club.

Obama isn’t a member of Fight Club; he’s a member of Drone Club — which targets individuals in foreign lands, including American citizens and their families, for extrajudicial assassination by drone. And the first rule of Drone Club?

You don’t talk about it.

Via Reprieve:

Apple has for the third time this month rejected an iPhone app which alerts the user to a drone attack and to the number of people killed.  Drones+ enables those concerned to track the strikes to their handset.

 

This is no doubt an uncomfortable prospect for the US authorities, whose use of drones extends to Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, where no war has been declared.  Such drone strikes have killed more than 3,300 people in Pakistan alone since 2004, according to reports by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.  

Now we don’t know who made this decision, whether Apple thinks that citizens knowing of drone strikes is a national security risk, or whether Apple were leaned on by the CIA, NSA or Pentagon — though given that Obama has prosecuted more whistleblowers than all other Presidents combined, the latter wouldn’t be entirely unsurprising. Nonetheless, whatever the truth this is a very disturbing development — after all, how can we rightly judge the administration’s foreign and national security policy without having up to date facts?

Obama claims that the drone strikes are conducted on a very rigorous basis:

1 “It has to be a target that is authorised by our laws.”

 

2 “It has to be a threat that is serious and not speculative.”

 

3 “It has to be a situation in which we can’t capture the individual before they move forward on some sort of operational plot against the United States.”

 

4 “We’ve got to make sure that in whatever operations we conduct, we are very careful about avoiding civilian casualties.”

 

5 “That while there is a legal justification for us to try and stop [American citizens] from carrying out plots … they are subject to the protections of the Constitution and due process.”

Yet as Wired notes:

At least two of those five points appear to be half-truths at best. In both Yemen and Pakistan, the CIA is allowed to launch a strike based on the target’s “signature” — that is, whether he appears to look and act like a terrorist. As senior U.S. officials have repeatedly confirmed, intelligence analysts don’t even have to know the target’s name, let alone whether he’s planning to attack the U.S. In some cases, merely being a military-aged male at the wrong place at the wrong time is enough to justify your death.

Micah Zenko adds:

What I found most striking was his claim that legitimate targets are a ‘threat that is serious and not speculative,’ and engaged in ‘some operational plot against the United States. The claim that the 3,000+ people killed in roughly 375 nonbattlefield targeted killings were all engaged in actual operational plots against the U.S. defies any understanding of the scope of what America has been doing for the past ten years.

Of course, just as worrying as the actual policy is the fact that the public widely approves of it.

The Washington Post notes:

The sharpest edges of President Obama’s counterterrorism policy, including the use of drone aircraft to kill suspected terrorists abroad and keeping open the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, have broad public support, including from the left wing of the Democratic Party.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that Obama, who campaigned on a pledge to close the brig in Cuba and to change national security policies he criticized as inconsistent with U.S. law and values, has little to fear politically for failing to live up to all of those promises.

 

The survey shows that 70 percent of respondents approve of Obama’s decision to keep open the prison at Guantanamo Bay. He pledged during his first week in office to close the prison within a year, but he has not done so.

 

Obama has also relied on armed drones far more than Bush did, and he has expanded their use beyond America’s defined war zones. The Post-ABC News poll found that 83 percent of Americans approve of Obama’s drone policy, which administration officials refuse to discuss, citing security concerns.

83%? It was George Lucas’ Princess Amidala who noted that freedom usually dies to thunderous applause.

Wikipedia:

Extrajudicial punishments are by their nature unlawful, since they bypass the due process of the legal jurisdiction in which they occur. Extrajudicial killings often target leading political, trade union, dissident, religious, and social figures and may be carried out by the state government or other state authorities like the armed forces and police.

I’d like to see Obama answering as to whether his sanctioning of extrajudicial killing resides within the rule of law.

Ben Swann wanted to know the same thing, but Obama wasn’t answering:

 

You don’t talk about Drone Club.

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Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:16 | 2769816 Aziz
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Ben Swann video missing from the end of the piece, hope Tyler can add it back, if not here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WrRuNOaNYME 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:27 | 2769831 Ahmeexnal
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And there's land units already operational too:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/pentagon-robot-can-run-faster-than-usain-bol...

Robotics professor warns that DARPA droids will be used to “kill people”

The robots will operate with “supervised autonomy”, according to DARPA, and will be able to act intelligently by themselves, making their own decisions if and when direct supervision is not possible.

The Pentagon also envisions that the robots will be able to use basic and diverse “tools”.

Saturn 3 becoming reality.

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:32 | 2769854 Bennie Noakes
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Cool! Sounds like Boston Dynamics, Inc. is well on its way to becoming the real-life Cyberdyne Systems. Does it have a ticker symbol yet?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:19 | 2769994 sunaJ
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Yes, the American public is beyond understanding the amount of innocent bloodshed that goes on. We have enemy combatants, which can be a low threshold to reach, indeed. But the American public has difficulty even distinguishing Muslim and terrorist (let alone combatant). It's all "the terrorists" to Americans.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:37 | 2770031 asteroids
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What the hell are you Americans going to do when someone uses a drone on US soil eh? What will you do when your innocent neighbours kid gets killed by one.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:43 | 2770044 knukles
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Claim some Muslim motherfucker from afar was responsible, invade another dark skinned funny talkin' scribbly writing country with oil and gold in the name of freedom and democracy.

Fuck else you expect?
Not enough examples already?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:48 | 2770061 Big Corked Boots
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Naaahhh - we'll just change the channel.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:36 | 2770704 Oh regional Indian
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Reprive from yesterday, pertinent perhaps...

The simulation is running perfectly.

No capable human subjects are showing extreme distress.

Gold today, Oil tomorrow, Silver there-after, corn for good measure, did we forget iron ore? What a bore, let's crash the Loonie, spike the Yen and count to ten.

Then drone a kill, or 25,

And show it on the TV, live.

Still the capable people snore.

All is good.

The simulation is running perfectly.

ori

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:12 | 2770125 Ahmeexnal
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Claim some Muslim motherfucker from afar was responsible

From Hawaii, Kenya, or Indonesia?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:42 | 2770227 john39
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you suggestion that obama is a muslim is insulting to all good muslims.  he is scum, nothing more.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:10 | 2770324 Element
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Not quite, he's mass-murdering scum ... which is more ... at his war-crimes trial.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:43 | 2770610 Dave Thomas
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Don't even need Muslims anymore.

They're looking for DOMESTIC terrorists now: http://constitution.org/abus/le/miac-strategic-report.pdf

The Scary brown people were just there to get the foot in the door.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:21 | 2770681 merizobeach
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:53 | 2770277 jeff montanye
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and speaking of our courageous commander in chief (we're all in the army now; it's war time), the second rule of drone club is you definitely do speak of drone club, like on leno or as a casual joke:

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/president-obama-tells-joke-jonas-brothers-draws...

the difference is it's super secret if someone is asking you a critical question but totally out there if there is a good chance it is politically helpful to mention it or just good fun (like bush's mocking of the pleas for mercy of the young woman he put to death in texas).  

to call these guys monsters insults ted bundy.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:53 | 2770539 JohnKozac
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"They're jealous of our freedom," is what I heard.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 05:38 | 2770831 falak pema
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bare knuckles talking...not marquis of queensbury walking; below the belt is fine provided its certified as doing God's work; God's rep. being a Oligarch with an Zirp-Indulgence deilvered from the FED to fund his lucrative operations on a leveraged, no interest, "profit sharing" basis by a TBTF PD. Blackwater type shills surrounding him when he inspects his new oil, gold or rare earth domains in shangrila, now lala-drone contaminated and drug baron infested third world back yard.

Lots of mileage left along that road...wait for the boomerang effect; when the oligarch becomes Crassus's ghost at Carrhae...

Battle of Carrhae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Current Oligarchy battle scene : Glencore, Xstrata and Qatar...battle of the juggernaughts to collar minerals and world commodity trading...the face of another new world giant emerging, even bigger and more "squeeze ugly" on the sheeple of the world.

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 07:30 | 2775877 Charles Bishop ...
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  Seriously. They're working on something for us right now--an autonomously intelligent android they've nicknamed.. 'Bishop."

 We're planning on sending them on every mission we run as cutouts for company internal security officers.

what could possibly go wrong?

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:37 | 2769873 the misanthrope
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but do they know the 'Three Laws of Robotics' ?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:48 | 2769907 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

but do they know the 'Three Laws of Robotics' ?

No, but they know the first law of Davros:

Exterminaaaaate!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:01 | 2769944 TwoShortPlanks
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Davros...Davos?! Hmmmmm

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:17 | 2769977 Manthong
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I think that this is something to worry about..

Charlie Foxtrot anybody?


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57507043-1/swarm-of-quadrotors-lights-up-the-austrian-sky/

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:53 | 2770427 palmereldritch
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But in the spirit of full disclosure they will collectively swarm to display http://www.giantrobot.com/wp-media-uploads/tsa-logo.gif before they attack.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:55 | 2770541 knukles
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+100 for Dr. Who

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:25 | 2770686 merizobeach
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"but do they know the 'Three Laws of Robotics'?"

If you want one of those, you have to get it from USR.  I think these drones are supplied by SkyNet, makers of the fine terminator series of humanoid robots.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 09:44 | 2771429 tabasco71
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Not sure they apply - a missile launch from a drone is ultimately sanctioned by a human.

 

Look relax, Ob is a nobel peace price winner... it'll all be fine.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:58 | 2769930 SgtShaftoe
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Drones and advanced technology demand supply trains hundreds of miles long.  Likely if the US begins operations domestically (that would suck), this technology won't have spare parts, and will be highly vulnerable to supply chain disruptions.  The Afganis have been kicking the US military's advanced technology's ass for years, and they're a bunch of toothless idiots living in the 15th century, but with rifles.  Don't be so in awe by this technology.  It's not so invincible as it may seem in passing. 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:09 | 2769964 TwoShortPlanks
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AMEE went to Mars. :)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:59 | 2770090 Overfed
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You kiddn'? When drone strikes commence in the US (and they will), the great majority of people in this country will be grovelling and gobbling gov't cock for saving them from the evil "homegrown terrorists".

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:00 | 2770095 billsykes
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They also wanted to lose. but you are on target with the supply chain- those missile fins require neodymium magnets, a rare earth, found mainly in China.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:14 | 2770134 Ahmeexnal
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those missile fins require neodymium magnets, a rare earth, found mainly in China.

You can get it for almost free along with platinum if you know where to look for it.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:42 | 2770235 Go Tribe
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How do we shoot them down?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:57 | 2770288 Doomer
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Ask the Iranians.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:47 | 2770414 Go Tribe
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Okay, Googled that. Apparently the Serbs shot down a bunch of them. Looks like the base model only flies 100 MPH, so that might not be so difficult. The others though are fast.

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/06/cia_dr...

 

 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:35 | 2770699 merizobeach
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The Iranians didn't even have to shoot.  They just clicked a garage door opener at it, and the thing landed on their tarmac.

(Note: "clicker" may've been Made in China, but not at the same factory as yours or mine was.)

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:17 | 2770568 SgtShaftoe
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I just said the weakest link is the supply chain.  Drones need fuel, pilots, parts, runways, comms, sat-coms, logistics equipment, tires, etc. etc.  Most importantly, the entire American military complex is built on the US Dollar.  If the dollar goes, the rest would likely follow quickly.   If drones were ever turned on the American people, they wouldn't stay operational for a week, just a guess. 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:11 | 2770671 Cathartes Aura
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not sure what your definition of "turned on" means, but the first drone assisted arrest happened last year in North Dakota.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-federal-predator-drones-have-been...

granted, no one was killed. . . yet.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 09:51 | 2771459 tabasco71
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Just because the USA invented the technology does not mean that they are automatically the best placed to implement it.  There could be second adopters who have better control over the systems and therefore utilise the technology to greater effect - this could be because they have different belief and value systems, for example.

 

Sun, 09/09/2012 - 07:42 | 2775884 Charles Bishop ...
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Don't get it twisted, sarge..The" Afghans" ARE  a secret weapon. they LIVE at 20,000 feet,they breed in a hive, and they bleed molecular acid. our internal security team thinks it's time to pull back the regular troops and initiate a 'nuke the site from orbit' protocol:

 IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:04 | 2769900 vast-dom
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obummer makes bush jr. on his worst day look like a sweetheart. (note: i detest both parties.)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvj0C7Qx9Rc&feature=player_embedded

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:39 | 2770216 Red Heeler
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"obummer makes bush jr. on his worst day look like a sweetheart."

Bush laid the foundation that Obama is now building upon.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:46 | 2770411 vast-dom
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watch the vid heel.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:43 | 2770025 tip e. canoe
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looks like BSwann has been making some rumblings deep up the Pyramid and the BigO was called in to try and pull a Jedi Mind Trick on him and his audience.    will he be seduced by the Dark Side in return for promises of fame & filthy lucre?    stay tuned to Virtual Reality Check....

the raw 7 minute 1on1 video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ceobsac7LE8

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:16 | 2769818 PSEUDOLOGOI
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Member of the Drone Club?

As in Bankster's drone?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:26 | 2769835 Stoploss
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6 "Just kidding on 5".

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:17 | 2769819 Julian
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Take cover Bitchez!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:19 | 2769825 spinone
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They shouldn't have hated us for our freedoms

Has anyone but me been telling Chuck Norris jokes for the past few days?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:58 | 2769914 ptoemmes
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Obama uses drones to kill alleged terrorists because sending Chuck Norris in to do the job would be too inhumane.

Predator Drones fear Chuck Norris.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:21 | 2769828 Kantbelieveit
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If the President can kill anyone by declaring them to be an enemy of the state, what can't he do?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:47 | 2769903 XitSam
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Well.  He can't create a debt so big he can't add to it.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:06 | 2769959 machineh
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Nor can he 'add it' at all -- his calculator doesn't have that many digits.

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