Guest Post: Drone Warfare In America

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics

Drone Warfare in America

How would Obama supporters feel if they learned that their beloved President was running far-to-the-authoritarian-right of arch-hawk Charles Krauthammer on one particular civil liberties issue?

Sadly, the answer is that the most Obama supporters probably wouldn’t feel very much at all, because support for Obama has always predominantly been emotion-driven (he promised change “you can believe in”, not “change that I can logically convince you will be beneficial“).

But I digress. Charles Krauthammer weighed in on FOX yesterday to telegraph his opposition to bringing drone warfare to the skies of America.

Krauthammer said:

I’m going to go hard left on you here, I’m going ACLU. I don’t want regulations, I don’t want restrictions, I want a ban on this. Drones are instruments of war. The Founders had a great aversion to any instruments of war, the use of the military inside even the United States. It didn’t like standing armies, it has all kinds of statutes of using the army in the country.

 

I would say that you ban it under all circumstances and I would predict, I’m not encouraging, but I am predicting that the first guy who uses a Second Amendment weapon to bring a drone down that’s been hovering over his house is going to be a folk hero in this country.

 

The Founders we’re deeply opposed to the militarisation of civil society. There is all kinds of aversions to it and this is importing it because, as you say, it’s cheap, it’s easy, it’s silent. It’s something that you can easily deploy. It’s going to be, I think the bane of our existence. Stop it here, stop it now.

And this is a big deal. A recent report by Micah Zenko noted:

Worried about the militarization of U.S. airspace by unmanned aerial vehicles? As of October, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) had reportedly issued 285 active certificates for 85 users, covering 82 drone types. The FAA has refused to say who received the clearances, but it wasestimated over a year ago that 35 percent were held by the Pentagon, 11 percent by NASA, and 5 percent by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). And it’s growing. U.S. Customs and Border Protection already operates eight Predator drones. Under pressure from the congressional Unmanned Systems Caucus – yes, there’s already a drone lobby, with 50 members — two additional Predators were sent to Texas in the fall, though a DHS official noted: “We didn’t ask for them.” Last June, a Predator drone intended to patrol the U.S.-Canada border helped locate three suspected cattle rustlers in North Dakota in what was the first reported use of a drone to arrest U.S. citizens.

But I’m going to go even further than the threat to civil liberties: I am fairly certain that the militarisation of U.S. airspace by drones is itself a huge national security threat. While Zenko notes that drones “tend to crash”, the downing of a U.S. drone over Iran late last year — supposedly via an Iranian hack — seems to suggest that it is possible for drones to be commandeered by hackers or hostile powers. And if that’s not the case today, then it almost certainly will be tomorrow. Putting drones into the air above the United States is like going to sleep on a bed of dynamite. It’s an invitation to anyone to try and commandeer a plane, possibly one stocked with high-tech weaponry.

The Federal government would do well to quit groping Grandma at the TSA checkpoint, and start worrying about the potential negative side-effects of systems they are putting into place. All the TSA security theater in the world cannot stop a determined hacker from commandeering a drone.

Charles Krauthammer is right (and after the Iraq invasion which he championed I never thought I would say that): it could be the bane of our existence. Stop it here. Stop it now.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:16 | 2427099 SheepDog-One
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'ObaMao supporters' are just mindless drones themselves.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:18 | 2427107 Freddie
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Mindless drones are smarter.  Romney sucks, Bush sucks but anything is better than the "gay"  and race baiting president.  Democrats still love him.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:22 | 2427122 LetThemEatRand
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Actually midless drones are smarter than both Obama supporters and the "anything is better including Romney" crowd.   Do you think Romney will bring change you can believe in on this issue or any other that matters? 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:50 | 2427131 Pladizow
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Go long sniper scopes!

Thats hunting I could get into!

Whats next for American citizens - Mandatory Anal Implants?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:52 | 2427312 Max Hunter
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I can't stand that god damned krautenfucker.. Neo-con piece of shit murdering bastard... If all the brown people in the world were killed off it wouldn't  be enough for this asshole.. I'm basing this opinion on previous interviews with him.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:00 | 2427397 redpill
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So it stands to reason that if this fascist actually voices concern over civil liberties, it must really be a dark time!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:41 | 2427717 A Lunatic
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Unfortunately no. There is always a person such as this who seems to be against the establishments  implementation of new forms of slavery and intimidation. There will be heated debate, philosophical deliberations over the morality, constitutionality, and social ramifications of this "necessary and expedient" use of such technology. Legislation will be passed which will protect us from our "protectors" and drones will rule over the skies in America. There is nothing new under the sun.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:58 | 2428127 illyia
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Sucks.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 18:12 | 2428738 slewie-the-pi-rat
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lots sucks* 

waterboarding sucks  http://bit.ly/KYXC2f but in most cases you live to talk about it

 

but what sucks even more is being mentally hanidcapped in Fullerton when tasers and boots are involved http://bit.ly/MhkeQs  but in this case the only thing you get to hear and see are his last words "Daddddyy"

One year after Fullerton, California police officers beat a 37-year-old homeless man to death, video footage of Kelly Thomas’ last few minutes of consciousness were showed in a Santa Ana, CA courtroom on Monday.

 

*(viewer discretion is advised the first video is disturbing  but the  second video put  up by RT is  basically a snuff film)

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:59 | 2428139 Dave Thomas
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The only reason Krauthammer is towing the 'good guy' line is because Obama stands to win again against a very wooden and tiki headed Romney. Had this been the W administration, with a fledgling war in Iraq/Afghanistan he'd be calling for domestic drones to protect us against terrorisim.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 18:42 | 2429338 r00t61
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Yes, Krautie is the "oppo-Krugman" in this case.

When GWB was in office, Krugman opposed deficit spending.  Now that Obama's in office, deficits don't matter.

When GWB was in office, Krauthammer supported pre-emptive invasion into Iraq, and continued to support it, even after it was revealed that there were no WMDs, and all the "Curveball" intel had been fabricated.  Using drones to kill brown people in Iraq and Afghanistan was a just and moral use of US power against the evil terrorists who were out to destroy the American way of life. 

Now that Obama's in office, Krauthammer's all of a sudden concerned about using drones. 

They're both establishment tools and don't deserve any attention.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:29 | 2427984 mtomato2
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Ahh, good old Max. 

Measured and reasonable, as usual.

Thanks for the reminder of what a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance you can be.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:51 | 2428341 Max Hunter
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You're welcom tomato face... anytime

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:55 | 2427336 smlbizman
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i think the anal implants may already be in place...in baltimore this morn the dj on the classic rock station was talking about the second comings of all second comings, the facebook ipo....asking sheep to call in and advise if he should buy....would this be considered, jumping the shark? or....

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:54 | 2427783 mick_richfield
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Do you think I can get them to wait to lunch the drones until I say "pull !"  ?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:34 | 2427207 CvlDobd
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Correct, Romney was asked point blank at a debate "Would you sign the NDAA as signed by Obama last week?" his answer? "Yes"

All I needed to hear. Same Shit Different Douche

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:57 | 2427359 Buckaroo Banzai
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That's why they call Romney "White Obama".

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:57 | 2427368 Aziz
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Two-Wives Obama.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:10 | 2427882 GeezerGeek
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I wasn't aware Romney ever had two wives, even sequentially. OTOH, if you're talking about polygamy in the family history, don't forget Obama's father, grandfather and great grandfather all had multiple wives. And so what anyway, now that Obama has come out in favor of calling homosexual unions the equivalent, in his mind, of heterosexual marriage. Heck, why not allow even group marriages with multiple males and multiple females? Sort of like communes back in the 60s, remember?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:58 | 2429957 StychoKiller
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Hmm, the Manson Family -- ahead of its time.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:32 | 2427667 Marginal Call
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Robomney. 

 

It sounds like something from the Futurama robo-sexual episode.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:39 | 2428034 Totentänzerlied
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A bit redundant, eh?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:46 | 2428326 Seer
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And speaking of douches, notice that Fruitless Freddie isn't anywhere to be found when the discussion drifts from his one-trick subject of libs/dems/Obama.  I wonder how much money he's stuffing into Romney's coffers...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:45 | 2428621 Calmyourself
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LINK IT!!!!  I want to see hiom say that just as you stated it..

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:42 | 2428600 Calmyourself
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Your right, you should lay down and die, then the government can take all your money and redistribute it, moron..

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:28 | 2427175 pepperspray
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Nobody came out to see the Preezee last week in Albany NY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsnX6HeUVNg

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:31 | 2427197 mayhem_korner
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Nobody "came out" you say?  Ironic...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:32 | 2427203 pepperspray
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Right on!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:39 | 2427240 Xkwisetly Paneful
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I am building my own video fitted drone.

Should be ready for liftoff memorial day weekend.

How long after takeoff until the authorities show up at my door?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:46 | 2427288 mayhem_korner
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Knock, knock.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:19 | 2427922 Doomer
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No knocking required - just need a robo-signed search warrant.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:42 | 2428306 A Nanny Moose
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That Linda Green sure gets around.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:49 | 2427294 CvlDobd
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Paneful talking some sense about Krauthammer talking sense? What is going on?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:59 | 2427377 Aziz
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Topsy turvy world.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:26 | 2427975 ProtectiveFather
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It's like a window to the future or something.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:56 | 2427795 Paul Atreides
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They won't show up at your door because you troll FOR the authorities...distract, dilude, divide somewhere else traitor.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:11 | 2427896 GeezerGeek
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No knocks, just a drone-launched Hellfire.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:39 | 2428300 Seer
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I think that you're a closet Obama supporter.  You've ALWAYS got him on your mind.  Maybe your encounter with him didn't turn out like you'd hoped?  Maybe he didn't deliver FOR you?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:41 | 2428312 Seer
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Ah, a perfect name for you: Fruitless Freddie

No queer is he

Of substance there is not

Oh, Fruitless Freddie!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:56 | 2427344 Abiotic Oil
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I was at an event  a couple of weeks ago and the domestic drone testing that is to be going on in Oregon was mentioned as being a great advantage to the Central Oregon area.  

The room erupted in cheers.

My jaw hit the floor listening to these total idiots cheer their own tyrannical enslavement.

These idiots cannot connect the dots.  The "economic boom" is in reality taxpayer money, stolen by the fed.gov and then funnelled into illegal domestic surveillance projects that will be used to further enslave the taxpayers.

The money could have just stayed here in the first place.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:40 | 2428048 Totentänzerlied
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That would not be productive use of capital under Marxist economics, comrade.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:51 | 2428344 Seer
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I don't believe that Central Oregon is a hotbed for socialists.

Flag-waving and militarism are the closer domains of fascism.  But, hey, it's fun bashing Marxism!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:55 | 2428362 zerozulu
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Nothing to worry about. all super powers do plan things like this before collapsing. Remember, Nazi Germany was planing to arm all their soldiers with "Jet Packs".

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:21 | 2427564 jus_lite_reading
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John Aziz, this is old new in the world of "alternative news" but the fact of the matter is, it DOES NOT MATTER IF IT WAS OBAMAO OR ROMNEY OR BUSH IN OFFICE AT THE TIME OF THIS BILL. ALL THIS REALLY IS, IS CLEAR EVIDENCE OF A COLLAPSING EMPIRE and TPTB want to remain in power. We discussed this with the NDAA, CISPA etc etc etc...

All I know is that Ron Paul WOULD NEVER allow drones to "survey" the people... and THAT is why AIPAC and the ass clowns in Hollywood/Congress/GOP will make sure Ron Paul never gets elected!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:01 | 2427815 Aziz
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ALL THIS REALLY IS, IS CLEAR EVIDENCE OF A COLLAPSING EMPIRE and TPTB want to remain in power.

Yep. 

The news though, I think, is that Charles freaking Krauthammer claims to be opposed to it. Charles Krauthammer is now less authoritarian than BHO, at least on this.

Crazy world.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 14:25 | 2428249 jus_lite_reading
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Thanks John. And here... Just in case some imbeciles still supporting Obamao here felt that this was a conspriacy and that "drones" were something from a Terminator movie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzrS0BVJynM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

GAME OVER FOLKS

 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 13:23 | 2427959 Think for yourself
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Yep. I suggest everyone get some good research in about Continuity of Government. Aside from natural disasters, this is mostly about plans to keep governement alive against all odds and at all prices, including against the will of its own so-called "constituents".

It does not matter what puppet is at the head, at least not qualitatively. The show must go on.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:21 | 2427100 hedgeless_horseman
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Like the folks in Montgomery County, Texas, where the Sheriff's Office just took receipt of a Fed-Funded drone with weapons capability.

 

"The aircraft has the capability to have a number of different systems on board. Mostly, for law enforcement, we focus on what we call less lethal systems," he said, including Tazers that can send a jolt to a criminal on the ground or a gun that fires bean bags known as a "stun baton."

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-boots-ground-fukushima-japan#comment-1837709

 

Tend to crash?  Indeed...

(Conroe, Montgomery County) – A drone has crashed during a police test flight near Houston, adding to growing safety concerns as more police departments take flight with the unmanned aircraft.

 

http://www.suasnews.com/2012/03/12711/drone-crashes-into-swat-team-tank-during-police-test-near-houston/

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