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Guest Post: The Economic Abuse Of Veterans In America

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

The Economic Abuse Of Veterans In America

Volunteering to join the military has always been a process rife with internal and external conflictions.  A vital aspect of one’s ultimate decision to do so often depends greatly upon the era in which one becomes eligible.  U.S. citizens leaped at the chance to defend their country at the onset of World War II because the enemies were indeed a legitimate and obvious threat to the freedom and sovereignty of all nations.  During Vietnam, the waters were muddied (at least in the view of millions of citizens), and many Americans did not see the fight as their own.  The line between our system, and the enemies we were supposed to despise, had become progressively more foggy and disjointed.  For any wise and honorable man to go out of his way to risk his life, the fight must be clearly just, otherwise, he may feel that his death will serve no purpose.

No matter what era of war an American soldier happens to take part in, his desire is usually simple and honest; most seek to defend the underlying principles of freedom which have guided the soul of this country for generations.  They seek a righteous cause, and transparent leadership.

Unfortunately, for decades, sincere leadership by our government, from Washington D.C. down to the good-old-boy networks of county politics, has all but been erased.  Not even a trace of truth permeates the bedrock of our legal or bureaucratic structure anymore.  The system has become so corrupt, so leprous and putrid, that it now actually influences originally honorable men and women to do great evil just to survive and to thrive.  Our administrative structure encourages and even breeds thieves, murderers, and tyrants.  It is a self-perpetuating monster machine. 

U.S. soldiers are in a unique position in the middle of this plague of political power gaming.  They are usually the first to bear witness to the blunders (or crimes) of government.  They get to experience up close on the ground where decisions go wrong and how.  They are among the first to witness the changes of mood within our political dynamic, and the first to know when a government has gone rogue.  When these soldiers leave the service as veterans, many have seen the ugliest of the ugly faces of the officialdom running the show.  They become a liability to the carefully crafted image of the U.S. government and the military industrial complex because they know the ultimate truth.

The mistreatment of veterans is often examined with shock and dismay, primarily because the general public cannot fathom why federal, state, and local governments would work against men and women who once served their interests.  However, when one understands that the establishment system views veterans as a political and social threat, a cultural base that is respected by average citizens and carries weight when exposing corruption, the abusive actions of the oligarchy make perfect sense.

I could delve into the disparaging world of Veterans Hospitals and the horror stories surrounding the dime-store-style socialized medical care that men and women receive there (I could also point out that this is a perfect active example of what medical treatment would be like under Obamacare).  I could write for hours about soldiers exposed to chemical and biological warfare from Vietnam to the Gulf War; soldiers who went on to suffer recurring health problems, and who were quickly swept under the rug by Washington.  I could even outline the numerous instances in which the DHS, the Bush Administration, and the Obama Administration, have all attempted to categorize veterans as “possible terrorists” who present a danger to national security:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/

While it is absolutely imperative that veterans and current serving military alike research every aspect of these issues, I would like for a moment to focus on a far less discussed crisis that looms over former military; financial subversion.

Today, most people are suffering an economic loss of one kind or another, and the knee-jerk response by those in financial dire straights might be to question why they should care at all about veterans being squeezed by the system.  I would point out that while the credit crisis is certain to strike the vast majority of average Americans, it has crashed like a ten-ton sack of bricks upon the heads of veterans in particular.

While the U.S. Interagency Council On Homelessness did launch a program called “Opening Doors” in an effort to reduce veteran homelessness, claiming a 12% reduction in 2011, the official number of homeless former serving still stands at 67,000.  This, unfortunately, is a misleading stat, and only counts veterans who have are considered “consistently without shelter”.  In reality, it is estimated that 200,000 or more veterans are homeless on any given night:

http://www.military.com/benefits/veteran-benefits/homeless-veterans-programs.html

That is large population of people under consistent poverty (23% of overall homeless by some measures), and this is not even counting those veterans that just scrape by.  Approximately 40% of these homeless veterans suffer from war related psychological disorders, including Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, and are not responsible for the difficulties they face in the job market.

The unemployment rate for veterans continues to be epidemic, with official numbers between 8% and 9% (and we all know how the Labor Department undercuts real unemployment statistics).  For younger veterans, especially those involved in Gulf War II, unemployment has skyrocketed to 30%:

http://www.businessweek.com/finance/occupy-wall-street/archives/2011/11/the_vets_job_crisis_is_worse_than_you_think.html

One would think that a military background with years of training and command experience in the midst of the most chaotic environments the world has to offer would translate well in the business and working world, but the numbers say otherwise.

Government programs to aid veterans are tossed to the public every year like trick-or-treat candy, but in most cases, they are only a half-hearted attempt to pay lip service to the problem, falsely reassure Americans, and place a band-aid on the gaping wound.  This has become painfully apparent after the 2008 derivatives bubble implosion, which has now triggered the bankruptcy foreclosures of over ONE THIRD of all veteran households:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/30/banks-targeting-military-families-for-illegal-foreclosures/

A homeowner’s mortgage assistance program under the U.S. government does exist, but only covers active duty military.  Veterans are forgotten.

The most active banks foreclosing on veterans include JP Morgan, Bank Of America, Wells Fargo, and PNC.  All of these institutions have been cited for using illegal and hidden fees to increase mortgage liability.  This tactic has been specifically and violently applied to veterans in particular, and over 30,000 cases of possible banking fraud against veterans were exposed in 2011 alone:

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-10/politics/congress.military.mortgages_1_military-orders-active-duty-service-member-returns?_s=PM:POLITICS

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/05/veterans-bank-fees_n_996422.html

Why would banks place such priority on aiming their crosshairs at veterans?  There are a multitude of reasons.  Most veterans have made a career out of following a chain of command and paying heed to authority figures.  Often, this mindset is carried over into the civilian world, where new authority figures like lawyers, judges, bailiffs, even bank representatives, are given far too much credence and are approached with a subservient attitude.  Many veterans also spend so much time within the unique legal structure of the military system that they lose familiarity with civil law, and become frustrated with its operations and complexities.  Some find it impossible to adapt.  To put it bluntly, corporate banks see veterans as easy targets.

To make matters much worse, local bureaucracies have been more than happy to aid major banks in their criminal enterprises, and veterans have been principle victims.  Instead of providing relief and aid to those in financial distress as was originally intended when the bankruptcy court apparatus was created, it has now become a network of parasites honing in on the fiscally weak and using their despair and confusion to rob them of every last possession. 

I have WITNESSED this first hand while examining the case of Warren Bodecker, a Montana local and WWII hero who helped to liberate over 2000 prisoners near execution from the Los Banos prison camp in the Philippines. 

Bodeker’s 89 years of life have been filled with amazing accomplishments and a certain level of success.  It is saddening that in his old age, during days in which he should be allowed some measure of peace, he has come under attack by so many despicable circumstances and people.

Warren’s wife, after battling cancer for a decade, had finally passed.  Her body was put to rest on the family farm, but her medical bills were not.  With debt and interest payments mounting, and Warren living essentially alone, the stress and fear of insolvency ruled his waking moments.  He then made a terrible error; he trusted his fate and his home to the bankruptcy system.  Warren’s story in his own words can be found in the video interview below, conducted by the founder of Oath Keepers and Constitutional Lawyer Stewart Rhodes:

 

I analyze and write about legal corruption on a regular basis.  I have uncovered and outlined banking criminality for years.  But, to watch this tyranny wrought upon an individual right in front of me, a man I know to be good hearted, a person who absolutely does not deserve it, is difficult to endure.

What I found most disturbing in this case was the number of deviants who came out of the woodwork to claim their pound of flesh.  The Trustee, Christy Brandon, has gone out of her way to intimidate Warren, which puzzled me until I learned that she had also appointed HERSELF lawyer for the estate.  If proceedings became “adversarial”, under the law, she would be conveniently awarded a percentage of the bankruptcy loot.  Warren’s former son-in-law (whose motivations remain mysterious and suspicious) wrote secret letters to the courts accusing him of deliberately hiding gold and silver assets.  Warren’s own lawyer advised him little, and in some cases very poorly, pushing him to wave his homestead exemption and feeding Warren to the wolves as it were while he quietly collected his salary. 

The vet was surrounded by frenzied piranha.  With little understanding of bankruptcy law or what was expected of him, he didn’t have a chance.  The system, his lawyer, and the Trustee all asserted the same lie; that if he just quietly rolled over, all would be well.  He has now lost everything, including his home.  He will be forced to exhume his wife’s body from the land he also planned to rest on, with no conceivable future beyond homelessness and regret.  

The system not only failed Warren, it hunted him down and mauled him.  At every level, the legal structure sought to harm him, not protect him, or to conduct fair justice.  It became clear to me after speaking with Warren, even more so than before, that there is no recourse through the legal realm.  It is utterly broken, and beyond all possible repair.  If a veteran and WWII combat hero can be treated so egregiously, what possible chance do the rest of us have?

Warren is just one example of a detrimental and sometimes organized crippling of veterans and their economic safety across America.  Sometimes it is done out of mere greed, sometimes it is done out of idiocy, sometimes it is done with downright malicious intent, and sometimes it's a combination of all three.  In light of this, and as Warren Bodeker's situation proves, there are no solutions within the bounds of the establishment anymore.  The problem, then, goes to those of us who are aware, and to those who also share a military background.  It is up to the Liberty Movement to rally around veterans, and for veterans to rally around each other.  The enemies they face today are much more insidious than any they ever faced on the battlefields of the past.  There will be no relief or comfort unless we support each other.

If you would like to make a donation to the Warren Bodecker Fund, please visit the link below and scroll to the paypal button at the bottom of the article:

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/06/15/wwii-veteran-forced-out-of-home-and-forced-to-exhume-wifes-body-needs-your-help/

If you would like to question Christy Brandon, Trustee for this case, on her side of the story, or if you wish to ask her why she is handling the situation in such a manner, you can use the contact information she provided on her publicly released court documentation (please remain courteous):

Attorney Christy Brandon
Brandon Law Firm, PLLC
P.O. Box 1544
Bigfork, MT 59911
Phone: (406) 837-5445
Fax: (406) 837-5420 Christy@brandonlawfirm.com

 

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Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:20 | 2542822 Comay Mierda
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God bless our troops

and fuck the politicians who take advantage of them

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:21 | 2542829 EmileLargo
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Amen from a European.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:33 | 2542893 SilverTree
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WWII Vet Has Home Taken Away!!

 

 

http://youtu.be/mHcGWyv-9LU

 

Warren C. Bodeker is an 89 year old World War II Army Airborne combat veteran and war hero, living in Montana, who is being thrown off of his own land and thrown out of his own house, by Montana Federal Bankruptcy Trustee, Christy Brandon, with the approval of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Montana. And to make matters worse, Warren's wife Lorna just died of cancer this past year, and is buried there on their land, right next to the house. Warren had planned to live there till he died and then be buried right next to his wife, there on their property at 11 Freedom Lane, in the town of Plains, Montana, but now, not only is he being forced off his land, he is being forced to exhume his wife's body and take her with him.

This is the most disgusting, callous, brutal, and unjust treatment of a WWII veteran by the "justice" system we have ever heard of. Here is a man who stepped up and went to war at the age of 19 to fight against the Japanese in the Pacific. When we say he is a war hero, we are not exaggerating. Serving in Co. B, 511th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 11th Airborne Division (see discharge papers below), Warren earned two bronze starts while making three combat jumps in the Philippine Islands in 1945.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:40 | 2542931 emersonreturn
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at the end of WW2 veterans were given the opportunity for education grants and/or land grants...why not now?  with so many homes underwater, and thereby under govt care (costing millions to simply keep them in good repair) why not grant them to veterans?  

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:47 | 2542973 SilverTree
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Veterans (I am one) are purposely kept down and displaced. Also kept over seas fighting, they wouldn't want all those fighters back in the states would they?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:49 | 2542987 JailBank
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"The only way to smash this racket is to conscript capital and industry and labour before the nation's manhood can be conscripted. … Let the officers and the directors and the high-powered executives of our armament factories and our steel companies and our munitions makers and our ship-builders and our airplane builders and the manufacturers of all other things that provide profit in war time as well as the bankers and the speculators, be conscripted — to get $30 a month, the same wage as the lads in the trenches get"

 

- Gen Smedley Butler

 

Served nine years on four continents. Let those that are so eager for war be the first to go. Yeah I am looking directly at you Krugman. You want another good war to get the economy going? Let's get you and your family right up front then.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:13 | 2543125 kridkrid
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Another Butler quote just below.  Nice post!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:58 | 2543386 Winston Smith 2009
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About Gen. Smedley Butler:

"He is one of 19 men to twice receive the Medal of Honor, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only man to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions."

From his "War is a Racket":

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq

http://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change/dp/080508...

All the Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror

http://www.amazon.com/All-Shahs-Men-American-Middle/dp/047018549X/ref=sr...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:20 | 2543455 El Viejo
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All vets have sworn to defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC.

(4 yrs three continents)

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:41 | 2543910 Jethro
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I still hold my oath as sacred and permanently binding. Former USMC 0351 (Antitank Assaultman) and Embassy Guard.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:24 | 2543528 Treeplanter
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Gaius Marius, great Roman general, Julius Caesar's uncle by marriage, reorganized  the army into a professional killing machine that routed great hordes of invading Germans and expanded Roman power.  Volunteers were lifers who got tracts of land in the provinces on retirement.  Veterans have to be treated right if we are to attract good peuple into the ranks.  Since the currebt goverment hasn't even passed a budget in three years, it's time to throw the bums out.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:47 | 2543647 Benjamin Glutton
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Build them a new one and gift. agreed.

 

Engineer a housing collapse, seize homes and give to Vets. not good.

 

A vet with a deep history of combat Vets in family.

 

On a more personal note. My father's life was shattered by his combat experience. As a child I would awaken to terrifying commotion and screams that I thought were physical fights between my parents. Never was there a mark on my mother. This went on for years until one day I was old enough for a suitable explanation. Though it made no sense at the time, in war movies combat looked awesome, my father was haunted. Eventually I reasoned, after much discussion and reflection, that this kind Marine simply wanted to return to the jungle and claim the honorable death he believed he had earned.

What terrible leaders we have.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:34 | 2542896 Harlequin001
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'No matter what era of war an American soldier happens to take part in, his desire is usually simple and honest; most seek to defend the underlying principles of freedom which have guided the soul of this country for generations.  They seek a righteous cause, and transparent leadership.'

They seek payment.

Let's at least try and be honest about something. You can't whine about deficits and then complain about government employees being thrown out onto the streets.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:41 | 2542941 MachoMan
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and bingo was his name-o

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:24 | 2543215 Janice
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9 years, honorable discharge.

Many of the youths enlisting today are intercity gang member looking for military training. Also, the immigrants looking for US citizenship. A few are misguided about the "glory" of serving. Many are lower IQ. It's sad when you find out who is there and why.

I joined because if I had not, I would have been my family's first nonmilitary generation since the Civil War. I have told my children, it's not a family tradition worth upholding. When we actually fight to secure our land, as opposed to securing oil, my family will be on the front lines again.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:26 | 2543227 Harlequin001
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'When we actually fight to secure our land, as opposed to securing oil, my family will be on the front lines again.' I can agree with that...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:43 | 2542950 GMadScientist
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I'm sure the kids drafted into WWII and Vietnam were really "in it for the money", twit.

A good portion end up in the service as an alternative to jailtime or deportation.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:50 | 2542975 Harlequin001
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And a good many young boys grew up far too early flying bombers over enemy turf before being gunned down by their own side and branded a 'coward' for demonstrating their 'lack of moral fibre' when the nervous breakdown ensued.

Grow up. They did it because they were told to. Save your pious sentiments for someone stupid enough to believe it.

Like most others, they did it because they were told to, because they didn't have the intelligence to work it out, the spinal fortitude to say no, and because they needed the money.

Next thing you'll be telling me is that you think you're free, and they fought for that...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:51 | 2543003 AUD
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 they needed the money

Supplied by the Fed at 0.35%

http://greshams-law.com/2012/02/13/charting-the-federal-reserves-assets-...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:41 | 2543317 boiltherich
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An unjust social order of gross inequality means there are economic victims that will of course seek out employment or educational opportunities where those can be found, but they trade years of their lives and the possibility of their gruesome death to you in exchange, and that does not mean it is their sole motivation or that they their motives should be suspect, I needed a job at seventeen and went into the military because the future in the mid seventies was bleak without college and the GI Bill was my best option, but that did not mean my service was motivated by greed or self interest, it was my way of giving to a nation I really loved, just as educating myself and finding a way to become a productive member of society was not about being able to buy a fast car or big house, it was about doing my part. If I am a better person then my nation and my people are better too. I always thought of America as my extended family, sure with a few drunks and some really eccentric cases, a couple of crabby uncles, a group of paranoid dipshits, and a lot of kids who were terminally immature, but my family all the same. All people have some level of self interest and survival instincts, that does not make all the things we do as people greedy or opportunistic or mercenary. If you think like that then I feel very sorry for you because you either hate your own "greedy" impulses and are unhappy or you believe yourself to be free of them while others are not, that is an I'm OK you're not OK situation according to transactional analysis,

I'm OK - You're not OK

People in this position feel themselves superior in some way to others, who are seen as inferior and not OK. As a result, they may be contemptuous and quick to anger. Their talk about others will be smug and supercilious, contrasting their own relative perfection with the limitation of others.

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Not a lot of fun at a picnic.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:51 | 2543371 Harlequin001
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'I needed a job at seventeen and went into the military because the future in the mid seventies was bleak without college and the GI Bill was my best option,' well at least you're honest about it, in part anyway...

Not sure what you're trying to imply with the rest of it though, anyone who doesn't think the sun shines out of the military arse is a party pooper?

Nah, that's bollocks...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:01 | 2543713 boiltherich
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What I said was... I hope I can keep this really simple for you... is that just because people have needs does not make all of their actions selfish. 

Just because we have to survive does not mean everything we do is motivated by greed.

The military is a part of the world, part of life, your dislike for it and the people who serve has zero bearing on it's reality.  You think you do not benefit from it and because you are free you have the right to hold wrong opinions, but you also think you should not have to pay for something just because you are right and everyone else is wrong.  Then you get cute and start mouthing off dirty things over the internet and that is such a credit to your mother's training and upbringing for you, but you totally miss the irony that you can do these things BECAUSE you are free and that freedom was paid for whether you approve or not by the blood of others. 

About half the posters here are decent people who can appreciate the sacrifice even when they do not approve of the political structures that made them inevitable, the other half of you can just go fuck yourselves, you need help for your deep seated hatreds and internal insecurities. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:34 | 2544511 AnAnonymous
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Then you get cute and start mouthing off dirty things over the internet and that is such a credit to your mother's training and upbringing for you, but you totally miss the irony that you can do these things BECAUSE you are free and that freedom was paid for whether you approve or not by the blood of others.

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Absolutely. Without the proper service of the military, the somalian pirates would take over, invade the US and prevent anyone from wording their mind.

It is just the way it is. In US citizen world.

Exercize of military power has little to do with being able to word one's mind.

It has to do with the threat wording one's mind causes to the power apparatus.

Venting on the internet is similar to speaking in the desert. It is no threat to the power in position.

Useless to try to make that fact one of your own achievement.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 19:47 | 2545510 boiltherich
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^

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Read the above, see?  Any retard is free to expose their lack of humanity and respect for others on the net because of those who did serve. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 22:00 | 2545808 Harlequin001
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You imply that because you did serve that you are a good man, and therefore beyond reproach and are of good standing. That puts you in the same boat as any other tosser I ever met.

Being a good man is not implicit in being an ex soldier. Grow up.

Whilst I know, and have many good friends who are good men and women and did and still do serve, this group still does have its fair share of tossers and wankers who stay in because they can't get a job outside, who bleat like fuck about what the job is yet won't leave because they can't cut it outside. They're in it for the money, and they go where they're told because they're told, and the military was never any different.

Spare me the bullshit please, I think we've heard enpough of it from you...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 21:54 | 2545797 Harlequin001
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What you said was ''I needed a job at seventeen and went into the military because the future in the mid seventies was bleak without college and the GI Bill was my best option,'' and there was nothing in it about being motivated by duty.

all after was bullshit.

But let's just put one or two things dead straight. I didn't say I had a dislike for the military, only that soldiers ultimately fought for money, just like you did.

I never said I didn't benefit from it either, neither did I say that I wasn't in it, you made that up as well, and neither did I say I didn't pay for it, or that I wanted to 'not pay for it' as you imply, simply that I HAD THE OPTION whereas you don't, which makes me free and you not.

You need to stop making this shit up as you go along, it does nothing to justify your position.

Simple enough? should be...

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:40 | 2544530 AnAnonymous
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An unjust social order of gross inequality means there are economic victims that will of course seek out employment or educational opportunities where those can be found, but they trade years of their lives and the possibility of their gruesome death to you in exchange,

________________________________

This depiction can be applied to many places in the world.

Does it mean that anyone facing this situation is entitled to join the military? Because reading the other post in which you declare that while most brown people are innocent and peaceful, others must be killed before they can kill you.

I wonder how you manage to conciliate the both statements.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:34 | 2544751 akak
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It is not the brown people that the rest of the world needs to worry about --- it is those damned blobbing-up, insanitationistic, slanty-eyed, running dog imperialistic yellow foreign devils that are the true threat!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:35 | 2544767 AnAnonymous
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At the moment, US citizens are more in the business of killing brown people so they must consider them enough of a real threat.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:40 | 2544795 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous babbling this wordings:

At the moment, US citizens are more in the business of killing brown people so they must consider them enough of a real threat.

Ah, ah, those people being not brown if care taken judiciously to prevention of Chinese citizenism roadside onto falling.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:45 | 2544806 akak
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But slanty-eyed, roadside-shitting, puppy-munching, fetus-slurping, Borglike yellow devils deserve much more the killing of them.

One day, a US bullet will find you, and Satan will introduce you to the eternal nature of your final home.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:46 | 2544822 AnAnonymous
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One day, a US bullet will find you, and Satan will introduce you to the eternal nature of your final home.
__________________________

Thank you, sir.

And at this pace, the bullet will likely be China made.

How wonderful.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:06 | 2544888 akak
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And at this pace, the bullet will likely be China made.

And in the ultimate irony, it will probably be the only Chinese-made product that does NOT contain any lead!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:42 | 2545005 AnAnonymous
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Unlikely. It will be done on US citizen prescription. US citizens order. And the Chinese produce.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:40 | 2543311 GMadScientist
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So....it was "for the money" or "because they were told to"...make up your fucking mind.

Depends on what you mean by "free"...I was born that way and intend to remain so, but not because someone did Daddy Warbucks proud.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:45 | 2543341 Harlequin001
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Depends on what you mean by "free"...I was born that way'...

You were born into a system of rules that say you pay taxes to the US government regardless of where you go.

You can call that free if you like, I suppose..

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:09 | 2543457 GMadScientist
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How's that working out for em?

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 21:43 | 2545761 Harlequin001
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I take it you're not American then...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:42 | 2543884 newworldorder
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RE: Harlequin001

You need to be very clear in your comments. While you make some good observations on the motivations of those who join, I think you missed it.

Having served I do believe that most have joined for the noblest of reasons at the time. Look at volunteer records of WW 2 and just after 9/11. Most believed what they were told by family, community and the MSM. When you serve in a sh*t hole for some time, you see the difference.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:43 | 2542953 battle axe
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Harlequin001: You are wrong on so many levels. To describe our veterans as mere "government employees" is just plain stupid and ignorant....

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:49 | 2542978 Harlequin001
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So who employs them then, if it isn't your government?

and who points them in whichever direction?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:55 | 2543018 battle axe
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Harlequin001: So love of country means nothing? So those who believe in something more then just themselves are stupid? Did you ever serve? I might believe that war is incredibly wasteful (Iraq and probably Iran soon) but to insult those who serve is pathetic. I pity you....

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:06 | 2543042 Harlequin001
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You don't know that I didn't serve, and I don't need your pity.

'Love of country', that's a good phrase to get young boys with no prospects, no assets and no future to stand up for. So just what is it about your country that you love so much, and how much of it is available to those that do serve, which incidentally just happen to be the majority poor people?

and that's not a trick question by the way, my understanding is that most armies these days are deployed on foreign soil fighting for domestic company money...

doesn't sound too much like defending freedom and love of country to me...

'So those who believe in something more then just themselves are stupid?' That sound exactly right to me. You see the pic of the guy sat begging for money? Well that's what it's all really about...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:08 | 2543080 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Providing for the common defense" is one of the very few enumerated responsibilities of our Republic, as specified in the Constitution.

Every bureaucrat in Washington deserves to get fired before we start talking about the soldiers.

The fact that this isn't obvious to you is a little troubling.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:13 | 2543126 Harlequin001
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so you advocate a large army and no administration, is that correct?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:31 | 2544499 Buckaroo Banzai
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No, I am saying we need to address problems in the correct order.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:41 | 2543321 GMadScientist
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It also has quaint language about not having standing armies for more than two years.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:18 | 2543158 battle axe
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Harlequin001:You never served, if you had you would never have said such idiotic things. And yes, I should not pity you, because you are too stupid to realize how wrong you are. Too attack those who wear the uniform is wrong, but again, you do not get it. One word to describe you: SELFISH..You are lost buddy. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:23 | 2543170 Harlequin001
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Like I said, you have no idea...

'if you had you would never have said such idiotic things.' so explain what is so idiotic about those statements...

and then explain why there is not one place on this planet where you can go and not pay taxes to your government.

You call that free?

And for what it's worth, I draw no difference whatsoever between serving army, airforce or police personnel. They are all government employees, just like the people who arrange to pay them.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:49 | 2543359 boiltherich
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...then explain why there is not one place on this planet where you can go and not pay taxes to your government...

 

Thanks, that's all we need to know.  You think you should get all the benefit of being a free man in a great nation with no cost to you.  Only a defective personality would ever even come up with the concept of being a total free rider on the backs of all the rest of us.  Inever want to hear another word out of YOU about who is or is not a leech on society because buddy you just proved what a real leech is.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:56 | 2543391 Harlequin001
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That's bullshit. "You think you should get all the benefit of being a free man in a great nation with no cost to you.' I didn't say that. Other nationalities can but you cannot, yet you claim you are free. Bullshit. You don't know the meaning of the word. You are more enslaved than any nation on earth, but hey, you go tell yourself that everyone else pays taxes, and that it's one big team effort if it helps.

If that's not fucking naive then I don't know what is.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:11 | 2543103 kridkrid
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Why should love of country mean something, in and of itself?  Is it something you should honor, just because?  Those who loved Nazi Germany... what does that mean?  And before you get on your high horse, I'm not comparing the two, I'm merely poking a hole at your what seems to be your general position that "love of country" should be admired. 

Can you not take a step back and see what a horrific propaganda machine this whole "love of country" think is?  This has ALWAYS been the case, throughout all of recorded history.  We are no different.  Our empire has been built just like any other empire... and will fall, jut like any other empire.  As the greatest Marine once wrote:

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:25 | 2543220 Lucky Guesst
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I love my country (USA) and I love its vets. I hate those who would destroy it for greed. I will never believe that all is lost because I love my children and have to have hope that things will get better for them. Even if I believe things will have to get worse first, I will never give up or in.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:29 | 2543252 Harlequin001
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well there's one in the photo at the top of the page that could use some of your 'love' right now...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:15 | 2543756 Lucky Guesst
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You think that pic is real? LOL

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 22:26 | 2545859 Harlequin001
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Yep, looks like a real tree to me..

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:13 | 2544085 newworldorder
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RE: Harlequin001

You are  making political arguments on a very emotional subject. For many who served, even those who would not want to repeat the experience military service will always be an honorable event even under some dishonorable circumstances.

There are so many things to say on the subject of veterans but there is not enough time and column lenth to say them to you. Veterans deserve our respect and understanding of their needs at different times of their lives. Not for merely serving but for enduring at times the unedurable. (Waving the flag, yellow ribbons and the obligatory "Thank you for your Service" don't cut it any more.)

We as a country, simply do not fully understand what they need and that some of their needs are a direct result of their military experiences.

Like it or not, - and despite all their individual motivations for voluntering, - they do serve you and do protect our flawed governance system. They are never asked to change the system, they are asked just to serve.

Changing the system is your and mine business as citizens. I have not seen many willing to take up this challange lately. Most are stuck in the thetoric of the 2 party system without an original thought on our political future.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:47 | 2545024 AnAnonymous
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Like it or not, - and despite all their individual motivations for voluntering, - they do serve you and do protect our flawed governance system. They are never asked to change the system, they are asked just to serve.

Changing the system is your and mine business as citizens. I have not seen many willing to take up this challange lately. Most are stuck in the thetoric of the 2 party system without an original thought on our political future.
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Protect from what? Reads like the ultimate dilution of responsibility device. Because the change in the system might come by not serving and thus not protecting the system. A decision they could make as citizens.

So more dilution of responsibility as brought to you by US citizens and their fondness for circular logics.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:33 | 2543270 knightowl77
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Sounds like Obama's composite biography....just more B.S.

Those companies may have profitted by military actiion, but to claim that was the sole reason or even the main reason for military action is certified bovine excrement.

This website amd many others talk about how to profit from coming financial calamities.  These coming disasters will be terrible to some, but others will make money. So by your logic no one should profit after the mess has ended? People and companies have ALWAYS come in afterwards and made money, but to say that was the reason for the conflict.....is putrid.

I volunteered and not for the money. Since I was 12 I wanted to be a soldier. When I got there, I realized it wasn't what I thought it was. I learned a lot about the world that I never would have in college. I got my degrees to get promoted, but everything useful I learned, I learned in the military or afterwards on the job...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:32 | 2543820 Cathartes Aura
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coming up to the 4th of July folks. . .

this "for love of country" meme is moth ridden - whose country?  which country?  whose version of "history" are you imbibing?

any of you out there waving the flag for your "country" does "it" a great disservice by not defending it against the parasites that have taken over and are currently devouring the nation from the inside out.

if you really loved "your country" you'd be working together to save it - not drawing a paycheck along side corporate mercenaries, killing other people in their own nationstate, as invaders.

no really, get your minds straight on the truths before you wave someone's flag.

good post kridkrid, as always on this subject.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 22:24 | 2545857 Harlequin001
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Be careful, some of these buggers would die for that.

Oh wait, they haven't...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:22 | 2543784 Cathartes Aura
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when you, and others, continually ask this,

Did you ever serve?

I would only ask you, and others, to tell yourself the truth,

who are you serving?

cui bono?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:50 | 2542979 Likstane
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Really?  How many would participate for free?    edit-whoops, sorry harlequin-I'll stay in my own fight.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:54 | 2543016 Harlequin001
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Be my guest, it's a free world...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:27 | 2543239 Lucky Guesst
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I would fight to stay free for no money... does that count?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:30 | 2543260 Harlequin001
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I'd say that depends on your definition of 'Free'...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:53 | 2543011 kridkrid
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Why? You served, didn't you?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:17 | 2543153 Likstane
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You 'served' for 33 years?  How long would you have done it for free? 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:36 | 2543277 Nobody For President
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Battle axe, just ignore these civilian assholes and their opinions:

 

Stand Proud Forever, Brother- Welcome Home!

"I stood up, I showed up, I stepped forward. I raised my right hand, I stood in the gap, I walked in the fire. I did not run, I did not hide, I did not dodge, I did not evade. Consequently... I have nothing to prove, no one to convince, those who matter, already know. Those who don't, never will."

-Author Unknown"

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:42 | 2543324 Harlequin001
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You made that up yourself didn't you?

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:27 | 2544174 battle axe
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No I have heard that quote before many times. Harlequin001, Kridrid, Cathertes Aura: You are wrong for one simple reason, those who serve believe in something and are willing to risk their lives for it. You might not believe in the same thing (Love of Country) but you have that right. The thing about you three, and probably most of the others who feel it is alright to insult those who serve, is that you guys are spectators, you talk a big game but when push comes to shove all you do is get on a website and spout shit about citizens who step up to the plate. Again this is your right, but that right is paid for by better people then you. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:31 | 2544504 kridkrid
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You are so manipulated... I hope, at some point, you can break through.  Somewhere above someone who served said that he has told his children that when serving once again means defending our land, that he would support them joining... not before.  The cause that our military now serves has changed, but the emotional value that you place on that service has not. 

And what do you mean "step up to the plate"?  It would seem that the only noble route to take is military service... am I hearing your correctly?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:34 | 2544766 battle axe
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You do not understand what I mean by "step up to the plate"? In the context of this dialogue? Wow. Ok, I will put it another way and simplify this. What have you ever done in your life that would put your life in danger to back up your beliefs? Ok, we can even take it down a notch, when have you ever put yourself in any kind of danger where physical harm could happen to you because you believed in something? My guess is never, all talk, no action, like I said, you are a spectator, nothing more. Maybe the biggest sheep here. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 17:40 | 2545199 kridkrid
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I have too much to live for to run around looking for something to die for. That level of common sense has been taken from you and replaced by some silly military creed... a creed that serves the MIC well, but not your country, your people, your family or you. As for being a sheep... Meh. That's reserved for people who blindly follow, without question, the things that they are told. If you would like, call me a coward. Perhaps I could or should fight the system... I don't. But you are the sheep.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 02:23 | 2545850 Harlequin001
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'My guess is never, all talk, no action, like I said, you are a spectator, nothing more. Maybe the biggest sheep here. '

Again, you shouldn't guess, you just might be talking to someone who did and holds a different point of view.

You could of course lose the bland and pious statements and answer the question...

Precisely which 'plate' did you step up to and what motivated you to do it? Did you feel Bush, Clinton or Obama needed you help in Afghanistan or Iraq or Vietnam or whatever?

Did you feel that their foreign policy was noble? Precisely which part of this nobleness did you feel was worth risking your life for?

Just curious, and keen to get away from these very bland statements you keep making...

'What have you ever done in your life that would put your life in danger to back up your beliefs?' I suspect no less than you have, and quite possibly a lot more...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 22:17 | 2545846 Harlequin001
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You seem to be having a problem with explaining this 'love of country' bit. It must be important if it would cause you to advise your children to walk into a hail of bullets for it.

So once again, what is it?

and once again, can you justify this, 'Again this is your right, but that right is paid for by better people then you. ' you don't know anything about me, and certainly not enough to make statements like that...

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 08:26 | 2546456 battle axe
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But I do know you, because you still run away from answering one simple question. Did you serve? You ask questions yet I have asked that question before and you will still not answer, like a child. By you still avoiding giving a direct answer like your buddy, you have given me your answer,  you did not serve. It says that you will never understand, or face your own flaws, and that is a just who you are. Where does such dislike for Veterans come from? Your own weakness? Again I pity you..

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 09:02 | 2546530 Harlequin001
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No, I'm just not stupid enough to give out personal information such as that over the internet. Any military man should know that.

Did you never undergo even the most basic R To I course? Apparently not...

Now if you wouldn't mind pointing out this dislike of veterans to which you refer, I only said they fight for money, you made the rest up yourself...

Now back to this 'Love of Country' you keep spouting, any answers forthcoming?

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 15:33 | 2548365 battle axe
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Personal Information? What the hell kind of lame excuse is that. I am not asking for your SS# or bank account or even first name. I am not even asking what branch you served in only if you served. That is the most idiotic, cowardly excuse I have ever heard. Again you just answered my question, you never served, all talk no balls. You are pathetic. You lose...Goodbye. 

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 16:51 | 2548748 akak
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I have read your fallacious and insulting exchanges, and find your implicit "argument" that only those who served in the military forces of a statist empire have the right to debate the issues surrounding the existence and functioning of said military forces to be laughably childish and completely without logical or moral foundation.  You are clearly a statist at heart, who worships with religious zeal the concept of the State and its monopolization of force and social coercion, and I will only add that I have nothing but contempt for you and your ilk.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 17:20 | 2548829 battle axe
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akak: Statist Empire? Ok, who left the gate open at the mental ward again? One of the mentally disturbed has gotten loose, and got his hands on a computer. akak it is time for you to take your medication and go sleepy time, or else it will be electroshock therapy time again. Dumb-ass.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:26 | 2542862 resurger
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I second your fuck.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:33 | 2542894 Gully Foyle
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http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-mancession-16-signs-that...

#16 Our system often treats elderly American men like absolute trash.  Just check out what happened to one elderly veteran up in Montana recently....

Warren C. Bodeker is an 89 year old World War II Army Airborne combat veteran and war hero, living in Montana, who is being thrown off of his own land and thrown out of his own house, by Montana Federal Bankruptcy Trustee, Christy Brandon, with the approval of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Montana. And to make matters worse, Warren’s wife Lorna just died of cancer this past year, and is buried there on their land, right next to the house. Warren had planned to live there till he died and then be buried right next to his wife, there on their property at 11 Freedom Lane, in the town of Plains, Montana, but now, not only is he being forced off his land, he is being forced to exhume his wife’s body and take her with him.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:02 | 2543058 WillyGroper
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imo--it's not just men, but all of the elderly. same with the warehousing of children.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:34 | 2543272 GeorgeHayduke
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So, what you are saying is that many posters here might want to reconsider their thinking every the time they bitch and moan about "deadbeats" who bought houses they can't afford and who are now getting foreclosed upon when it's often circumstance beyond their control? Perhaps big bankers who turned the entire economy into a big casino and trashed the entire globe in the process, yet who are still getting big bonuses, carry much of the burden here? Maybe them, along with their government lackeys who have done their level best to turn every government agency into an enforcement arm of the corporate agenda are to blame too?

Face it folks, this entire system is so corrupt it is beyond repair. You can only sustain the unsustainable with huge, ever increasing, inputs of energy and resources. The inability to keep adding these two ingredients, along with the corruption, leads to one known outcome.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 20:40 | 2545412 New World Chaos
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The system sees that he committed great crimes: Alturism. Patriotism. Freeing prisoners. Honor. Having a backbone. All of these must be punished. But his problems really got going when some toady narced to the court that he kept a small stash of PMs as a retirement plan. That's when the system decided that everything he owns must be consumed by a flying monkey brigade of lawyers. The local sherrif was a willing henchman, as always. The Law is the Law, and it is sacred, even though it is an essential part of the worldwide paper-shuffling, soul-sucking monster known as the Beast. The conscience and discernment of the indivudual must be destroyed so as not interfere with the will of the Beast. Sometimes I wonder why a 90yo terminally ill vet doesn't just take a few of the soulless bastards with him. 3 hots and a cot retirement plan.

Alan Ginsberg:

What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open their skulls and ate up their brains and imagination?

Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unobtainable dollars! Children screaming under the stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men weeping in the parks!

Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the loveless! Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy judger of men! Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of sorrows! Moloch whose buildings are judgment!

Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stunned governments! Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb!

...Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch whose poverty is the specter of genius! Moloch whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen! Moloch whose name is the Mind!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:40 | 2542937 battle axe
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A national shame.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:56 | 2543025 spentCartridge
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Rambo

 

2012 >

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:16 | 2543100 rbg81
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Honestly, I'm a veteran and I think this piece is full of shit.  There are plenty of programs for veterans out there, including VA home mortgages, the GI Bill, and many (many) states + the Federal government have veterans preferences for jobs and business contracting.  My one complaint is the VA healthcare system, which won't even look at you unless you were injured (didn't always used to be this way, but whatever).  Obviously some veterans do come back from war with deep physical and psychological scars.  These are hard to fix and there is no easy answer to ensuring these people have "normal" lives. Sadly, in some cases, it may just not be possible regardless of the treatments.  However, the vast majority of these individuals get VA disability payments.  It probably won't completely compensate, but its something.  But, overall, I think the Government makes a very credible effort to help its veterans.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:38 | 2543865 Cathartes Aura
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and yet,

For the second year (2010) in a row, more US soldiers killed themselves (468) than died in combat (462). “If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we don’t know.”

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-more-us-soldiers-c...

let's help them by telling the truth, on their behalf, and on behalf of those considering signing up for a paycheck.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:32 | 2543268 ich1baN
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I don't comment much, but I think this will be worth a read as I have a personal story to share about my brother who is an iraq vet and everything stated in this article is the most vivacious, truthful information ever spoken in such a succicnt and direct manner.

First, when my brother came home from Iraq I was interested in seeing that he would frequently be targeted by cops as they would give him petty tickets when almost always they would give you a warning for certain things such as parking (he had a Marine sticker on the back of his truck) and they would follow him a lot as if they were waiting for something to happen. 

The part that really vexes me is the justice and health system. My brother suffers from PTSD and the military medical system does nothing for him as I know he is suffereing as my brother. Anyways, that is minor compared to what I am about to reveal. 

A little over 2 years ago my brother was involved in an altercation while driving as someone was tailgaiting him and he reacted in a negative way and threw a plastic dixie cup out the window at the car. The lady ended up calling the police and played the role of severe victim and started crying and screaming immediately when the police showed up. Now, I know my brother wasn't innocent on this account of throwing the cup but what happens next is pure sickening. They end putting him in jail for 21 months and my brother (as stated in the article trusted the justice system to work) took the trial by judge and prosecutor over trial by jury. They tried to give him 10 FREAKING YEARS IN PRISON!!!!! WTF?!?!?! and he ends up going to prison for 21 months for throwing a plastic dixie cup at the other car??!?!?!!?

I just don't understand our inept justice system and the vile and ruthless nature prosecutors have taken the last 20 years. Now, my brother's life has been ruined to some extent and he has this permanent black smudge on his record where the system tries to margianlize those that one day are going to stand for liberty and protect us from an evil federal government.

 

I have been saying this for a while now.... After the implementation of the final police state.....THE LAST TO DEFEND YOU AND I WILL NOT BE SOME LOCAL HILLBILLY COP. IT WILL BE THE MEN AND WOMEN IN MILITARY UNIFORM SWORN TO PROTECT FROM ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. 

They are the ones that are growing in numbers who fear what power the federal government has usurped in the last 10 years. There are countless youtube videos of returning Marines and veterans coming home to NYC and finding cops dressed in full battle riot gear to arrest and abuse unarmed citizens..... they literally are confused how such force and power can be used and they naturally stand up for the unarmed citizen against the cops in every video.  I know my message was long but I felt it was needed as I know from personal experience the horrors and can reassure you everything you just read is 100% true.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:01 | 2543415 Comay Mierda
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sorry to hear about your bro

i agree lots of returning vets are disgusted about the state of affairs and the dictator running everything.

why do you think tptb are investing heavily into drones and robot warfare?

the humans wont listen to them anymore

and the robots in the future will attack the "sovereign citizens" who care about the constitution

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:13 | 2543753 ich1baN
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I thank you for your condolences comay. I never thought about the drones in that manner, thanks for the insight.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 21:12 | 2545700 New World Chaos
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They dream of a day when cheap, insectile drones with deadly stings will be seamlessly integrated with NSA databases and real-time tracking.  Anyone who even thinks about leaving the grid will be terminated.

Ben Fulford says we're dealing with a worldwide artificial intelligence:

http://americankabuki.blogspot.co.nz/2012/06/battle-has-been-against-artificial.html#more

As the old cliché goes, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Empirical evidence proves the current financial crisis has been caused by an artificial intelligence. This artificial intelligence was born out of a monetary system that was not based in reality but was parasitical on reality. That is why most trading on today’s financial markets is carried out by computers and not humans. That is why they are trying to remove all human traders from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. That is why the small human elite still living an astronomically rich life have been promoting the use of killer drones to replace human soldiers who are no longer obeying orders. That is also why so many youth reduced to slavery and drudgery by the elite are escaping into virtual reality. Well, reality has struck back and dealt a fatal blow to the money matrix known to some as Satan.
Thu, 06/21/2012 - 22:00 | 2549610 ich1baN
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I thank you for your interesting perspective as well. I see that the elites are relying heavily on machines more and more and it seems one day in the not so distant future that these machines can have the potential for AI and unique programmable behaviorial characteristics in which they never refuse an order..... just what the elites want and now they are conditioning our minds for it as they are allowing all police units in the country to use machines and drones so the avg Joe will say the same thing they say for TSA airport scanners.... "Hey as long as it is for security".... Pure deception and illusion of reality. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 21:01 | 2545680 New World Chaos
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Small penis syndrome.  Cops feel emasculated by the mere existence of the veterans so they seek to emasculate them and grind them down any way they can.  The Feds have also been giving local goons an earful about how dangerous the vets are.  They seek to cut off their resources and support network, make sure they are in jail when the revolution comes, or even drive them to suicide. 

"Our sincerest thanks for helping us line our pockets.  But there is no place in our New World Order for honorable men like you.  There must be no light to contrast with our darkness.  Only sociopaths like the prosecutor and bottom-feeders like that screeching victimist will be allowed.  Now why don't you fuck off and die before you can threaten us or even tell the truth about us?  We'll give your kid a plastic American flag to remember you by.  Lead-tainted and made in China, of course."

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:56 | 2544306 11b40
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....and fuck any and all of you pikers, shirkers, and anonymous pieces of human waste who gave Comay a down arrow for his comment.

What a fine example of what's wrong with this country you are.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:21 | 2542830 yabyum
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To all vets: Thank you for your service. To all who would take the benefits away: Go to hell.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:29 | 2542871 jayman21
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Makes me think of a quote I see on ZH every so often.

 

If the 1st amendment does not work, try the second.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:33 | 2542899 Gully Foyle
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jayman21

Yeah, that rule by gun thing always works really well.


Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:10 | 2543094 Buckaroo Banzai
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It's not rule by gun. It's overthrowing tyrants by gun. i.e., the exact opposite.

Way to get it 100% backwards!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:37 | 2543294 jayman21
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Gully Foyle: In this story, tell me what is left?  It is a sad story that people in power push other people so far that the gun thing is the only thing left.

I too agree with your point, the gun thing never works out well, but the quote came to mind due to the extremeness of the story.  No decent person would ever push someone else around like this.

I am interested in what other options he has?  What did I miss?

 

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:59 | 2544320 11b40
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It worked pretty well in 1776.

Only took a couple of hundred years for cowardly scumbags to take over.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:22 | 2542836 marco1324
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Western soldiers die and China gets the contracts.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:45 | 2543930 Cathartes Aura
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indeed, you may want to sit with that awareness for a bit, let it sink in - it's rich with information, truly.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:22 | 2542837 tomAsss
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without strong military, US would be just another indebited shithole

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:34 | 2542903 Gully Foyle
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tomAsss

HEHEHE.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:50 | 2542995 GMadScientist
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Without the strong military, it wouldn't be quite so indebittededddedd.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:24 | 2542846 BLOTTO
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Platoon

CHRIS (V.O.)


 I think now, looking back, we did not fight the
enemy, we fought ourselves - and the enemy was in us 
... The war is over for me now, but it will always be
there - the rest of my days.  As I am sure Elias will
be - fighting with Barnes for what Rhah called
possession of my soul ... There are times since I
have felt like the child born of those two fathers
... but be that as it may, those of us who did make
it have an obligation to build again, to teach to
others what we know and to try with what's left of
our lives to find a goodness and meaning to this life
...

The music surges now to its full strength as we replay bits of
film with each actor's name listed - some with silly, clowning
looks, others sober, haunted.  Gardner, Tex, King, Rhah, Lerner,
Sanderson, Manny, Big Harold - all the boys ... and then Barnes
staring quietly into the camera, and lastly Elias - shirt off,
bowl of grass in hand, his big, beautiful smile.

FADE OUT:

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:24 | 2542847 Likstane
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If you don't want to go kill brown people somewhere, don't sign up.  If enough people say fuck off to the beast, it dies.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:30 | 2542881 resurger
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Let the beast sons go and fight!!

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:36 | 2542910 Gully Foyle
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Likstane

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali

n 1967, three years after Ali had won the World Heavyweight Championship, he was publicly vilified for his refusal to be conscripted into the U.S. military, based on his religious beliefs and opposition to the Vietnam War. Ali stated, "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong... No Viet Cong ever called me nigger" – one of the more telling remarks of the era.[6]

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:25 | 2542857 WiretapWilly
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I might volunteer for actual combat role - y'know, facepunching, swordfighting, or dueling, but standing on a battlefield so unseen airplaines or cruise missiles can get me while I sleep is hardly 'combat'.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:32 | 2542888 Short Memories
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But controlling a drone looks fun! :P

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:40 | 2542936 Azannoth
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That kind of combat has gone they way of the dinosaurs, if you're not sitting in a tank or plane or behind a joystick you're just cannon meat now

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:50 | 2543953 Cathartes Aura
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and if you ARE "sitting in a tank or plane or behind a joystick" - it's the OTHER humans, in their own nation, in their own villages, in their own homes

who you make cannon meat of.   

for the benefit of corporations and traitorous thieves.

tell yourselves the truth.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:25 | 2542858 fonzannoon
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RIP Pat Tillman.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:04 | 2543433 boiltherich
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http://www.pattillmanfoundation.org/

Pat's family runs a foundation in his name for the benefit of vets.  Mostly his sister runs it, but it is a good clean honest foundation that helps rather than a scam as so many charities are now.  As a disabled vet I cannot afford much but I have given and will again.  Pat's story is one of the most wrenching I ever heard, if someone wrote a novel of this story you would think it was too farfetched to get published, but the story is true.  They also made a good movie about his case.  You can get it in the 99 cent section of Blockbuster if you are unfamiliar.  It is one of the grossest cases of injustice ever done to a US citizen/family in my opinion. 

The mission of the Pat Tillman Foundation is to invest in military veterans and their spouses through educational scholarships; building a diverse community of leaders committed to service to others.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:27 | 2542866 dizzyfingers
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War is good for...the cartel banks; invest your children (if you want the world to continue on this path).

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:28 | 2542868 FranSix
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What are you yammering on about?  The most successful veterans become arms dealers and drug capitalists with direct ties to the CIA once they leave the special forces.  And they're considered the best of the best.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:28 | 2542869 Hugh Jorgan
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Unfortunately this has been tradition in this country going back to the American Revolution.  Many of the signatories of the Declaration died in poverty, after being in our "military" at the time.  The rub is simple-we the people, need to at some point hold government accountable for making war a political tool-and kick their asses. 

That said-Gary Sinise does a great deal for veterans-I've written about it on American Thinker   http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/gary_sinise_an_american_hero.html

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:30 | 2542877 tocointhephrase
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War sucks!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:31 | 2542879 williambanzai7
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If you look at those George Grosz images from Weimar Germany that I often play with, you will notice that they are littered with indigent, incapacitated and forgotten veterans of WWI Germany.

Our veterans are cannon fodder, eaten up and spit out as soon as their useful life expires. A disgrace.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:38 | 2542926 ConfederateH
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No, the disgrace is the government they willingly supported and in whose name they were prepared to commit murder.  Veterans should be treated no different than the retired civil service, they supported and chose the wrong side and deserve nothing from the rest of us.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:54 | 2543017 TrainWreck1
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Yes, because all those civil service bureaucrats gave up family life and often life itself, so they could go off to surf porn in cubicles all day.

 

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:18 | 2543502 Loose Caboose
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so they could go off to surf porn in cubicles all day.

Dirty, dirty job ... but someone has to do it.

Sorry, I had to reply to your post just because of our usernames and how they go together.  I won't make a habit of it.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:08 | 2543445 boiltherich
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My extended family also has it's share of flaming assholes like Confed. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:03 | 2544017 Jethro
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I have quite a few Confederate ancestors. What you have to realize is that many of the Confederate soldiers fought only in local battles. These battles were viewed as fending off an invading army by many of the rank and file in the Confederate ranks. When the Union Army rolled out of the area, many Confederates went back home.

Only a few of my ancestors ever owned slaves, and those that did made their children work the fields along with the slaves in the same capacity. My other Confederate ancestors were largely subsistence farmers.

For my ancestors, the issue was more about State's rights and self defense. In today's world, if California or Michigan wanted to secede from the Union, I certainly wouldn't try to stop them. I definitely wouldn't take up arms against them.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:03 | 2544336 newworldorder
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The pain and suffering imbeded on some of the comments on this thread are real. Thanks for always showing something thought provoking in your comments.

Despite all our critisisms American veterans have tried to stand for something good. The better part of our nature has been evident many times, even when we have exhibited the worse part of our nature. On balance (and I admit that I do not not fully know what the balnce is,) Americans have tried to do the right thing. Our leaders have often times stood in the way of that goal.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:30 | 2542884 lizzy36
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The problem with the current Army is they are all "volunteer" and thus deemed to have "signed up" for what they got.

My suggestion is that if America is going to more or less be at constant War, without anyone realizing it, that the law should change such that anytime more than 50,000 tropps are committed to a "combat zone" there is an automatic draft. Also there are special "War/Combat Bonds" that must be issued to pay for the military action.

War and the cost thereof, in blood, sweat, tears, sheer terror, and trillions, should be paid for by all Americans. Not just the economic underclass.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:34 | 2542897 GMadScientist
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I prefer the Heinlein method: there's a popular vote for whether or not to declare war; anyone who votes yes, is in the draft or pays for it.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:36 | 2542915 LawsofPhysics
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History is full of examples of precisely how "successful" drafts are.

Having served, I would much rather lead troops that are committed by their own accord.

The underlying problem is that war is a very serious consideration that far too many "elites" and politicos have been taking far too lightly from quite some time now.  Many of these arrogant fucks actually believe that there is such a thing as a "polite" war.

They are wrong, and blowback is indeed a bitch.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:47 | 2542974 MachoMan
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Practically speaking though, in an era of joblessness and where one of the only avenues of job offers is the military, how many truly come into the ranks "committed by their own accord"?  The people who have an alternative means of income, but give that up to join, might be said to do so...  those who have nothing else...  not even a pot to piss in nor the hope of getting one...  maybe not so much.

This is something that just wizzed by the author.  If you want to talk about economic exploitation, then talk about the incentivization to join and the lack of economic opportunity caused by the same exact party that seeks to now throw you in a war zone...  in contract terms, this would be a breach of the duty of good faith and fair dealing, at best... 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:53 | 2543012 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, and your are touching on the underlying problem of everything.  The rule of contracts and laws.  If the contract is a bad deal, don't enter into it.  Of course, the real problem is that there is no rule of law anymore.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:47 | 2543340 MachoMan
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The trick is to understand what the rule of law is...  it's simply the express manifestation of the monopoly that attempts to be imposed by rational actors seeking to avoid the normalization of profits and/or seeking to entrench political power.  If it manages to coincide with some cosmic, objective morality, then it's purely by coincidence.  It may start off in a more pure form, but tends to be eroded over time.

The other trick is to understand the gatekeeper for the rule of law...  The original bargain only lasts so long as the people demand it to...  it cannot be passively maintained by an elected government...  and incredibly rarely has military action ever actually protected the original bargain or the people.  It's simply a constantly bargained for exchange between the haves and the have nots whereby the conditions imposed on the latter dictate the level of activism and, therefore, risk of upsetting the apple cart.

In short, the notion of the rule of law is a misnomer...  a misconception...  it's simply, in part, an express agreement whereby rights are ceded to ensure vigilance may be avoided and apathy can reign supreme...  it's simply an exchange for comfort.  In this exchange, the rule of law becomes something other than ideal...  and continues to disentigrate from there...  the degree and speed of which is solely dependent on the level of apathy of the people.

The rule of law is ALWAYS present...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:28 | 2543806 LawsofPhysics
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Nice bit of mental masterbation you got going there.  If by the physical laws of Nature, then yes, to a certain extent, these laws always apply ands human, just like all organisms will do what they can to survive.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:27 | 2544180 MachoMan
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Your statement was "there is no rule of law anymore."  In the context, it means that at some point in time there was a rule of law...  AND that it, at such point in time, was some righteous or morally legitimate thing...  that prevented the plebs like you and I from getting stepped on.  And my mental masturbation took your statement out back and shot it. 

Simply put, if the rule of law ever happens to stumble upon some objective, universal morality...  some natural law...  then it is just a coincidence...  because search for this natural law was not what conceived the law.  (despite some law makers saying over and over again that this was their purpose and intent).

Telling everyone we must bring back the rule of law is...  painfully inaccurate...  a transgression I have made too many times to count...  but inaccurate nonetheless.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:06 | 2544045 Jethro
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From my perspective, and observing what the political class seems to be advocating, laws are only valid if they can be enforced.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:35 | 2544217 MachoMan
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All laws are valid...  the issue is with consistent enforcement.  Traditionally, the little fish is sacrificed for the bigger...  often times through political subterfuge...  a game the guppy should have never played.

Whether or not it can be enforced is beside the point...  i.e. that the law was properly passed by the body with authority to do so...  once it hits the books, it's curtains...  we have to rely on SCOTUS to invalidate it (probably a long shot).

The political class advocates that they can have the laws changed to whatever suits their needs at the time (e.g. lobbying)...  and, if their needs change faster than the law, then they have the power to avoid enforcement and, if necessary, redirect it to rivals (e.g. settlement without admission of fault).  None of this changes the validity of the laws...

At one time, I think your thesis was correct...  at present, it's completely brazen...  out in the open...  the political class flaunts it.  This is hubris.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:15 | 2544409 Jethro
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I do not disagree with your analysis. The current state of affairs is unfortunate, simply because the hubris truly is overtly brazen. The politically connected can get away with murder, and will continue to do so until a true reckoning happens (I'm not holding my breath---the entire political class would have to be held accountable).

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:39 | 2542932 Gully Foyle
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lizzy36

Ever watch this movie? Makes some very interesting points about the volunteer military.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0252299/

Buffalo Soldiers

 

Colonel Berman: Heroin, cocaine, marijuana, lysergic acid, deithyl... whatever the hell that is; amphetamines, traces of barbiturates, estrogen. Estrogen? McCovey was on the pill?... How could this be possible?
Ray Elwood: He might have taken it by mistake, sir.
Colonel Berman: What?
Ray Elwood: Birth control pill. He might've thought it was something ele.
Colonel Berman: Well, fine. But he didn't take heroin, speed and cocaine by mistake, did he?
Ray Elwood: It seems unlikely, sir.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:54 | 2543682 Miles Kendig
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Draft the elite?!  Bwaaahaaahaaaahaaa

Lizzy, the elite will NEVER serve in any capacity that doesn't include a hefty expense account and room service of all sorts (the rarest exceptions granted).

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:32 | 2542886 LawsofPhysics
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Precisely why most of my brethren support Ron Paul. I am still amazed by the outright rejection of a military-style takeover in the U.S.S.A.  Given all the vets I know and their post-service successes, the connections many of us still have, and the fact that many of us are still involved in weapons manufacturing and deployment, it would seem rather obvious for these folks (many in the corporate world too) to simply look at the day-care center that is CONgress and say "enough is enough, you guys are done."

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:34 | 2542892 ConfederateH
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U.S. citizens leaped at the chance to defend their country at the onset of World War II because the enemies were indeed a legitimate and obvious threat to the freedom and sovereignty of all nations.

When Roosevelt (with Churchill's help) couldn't provoke Hitler into starting a war with the US, he got Japan to do it.  Perhaps Roosevelt wasn't quite as bloodthirsty as Hitler or Hirohito, but he was just as guilty of causing WWII as they were.  And as a bonus he made sure eastern Europe was turned over to his pal Stalin when it was over.  Veterans have been dying and suffering for that criminal and illegitimate government in Washington since before the civil war.  Nothing new here.

http://lewrockwell.com/burris/burris24.1.html

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:37 | 2542912 hedgeless_horseman
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Thank you.  I am glad to read that some things have escaped the Memory Hole.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:38 | 2542930 LawsofPhysics
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You are correct sir.  Cut off the oil and imports and force starvation upon the land, funny how when you make an animal, person, or country desparate enough, they will attack.  How easily History is forgotten, or rather re-written.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:47 | 2542967 Monedas
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Oh, disagree !   A show down between the powers was inevitable .... and it happened ....get over it !  If we hadn't gotten in when we did the outcome might have been different !      Monedas     1929      Comedy Jihad If We Had Just Minded Our Own Business Hitler And Hirohito and Stalin Would Have Just Faded Away .... Like The North Koreans And The Jihadists ?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:38 | 2542898 Monedas
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I'm a Viet Nam Vet and I think the US is very good to it's soldiers in comparison to most of the world !      There is a lot of malingering from welfare mentality vets that maybe detracts from caring for the really injured !  Yes, I'm talking about white, brown and black "Niggers" !     Monedas    1929    Comedy Jihad Don't Expect Any Government Program To Be As Efficient And Consumer Centered As The Bubble Gum Industry

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:56 | 2542934 hedgeless_horseman
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I know a veteran who is on lifetime disability because he contracted AIDS by having gay sex with another soldier.  He will never work again.  He and his boyfriend, who is also unemployed, lead a more opulant life than 95% of the rest of the world.  Due to his disability, our state also pays for his cell phone, internet, a new laptop evry couple of years, gym membership, health insurance plan, and any co-pays or deductibles. 

This is my rifle,
This is my gun,
This is for killing,
This is for fun.

A staggering 45 percent of the 1.6 million veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are now seeking compensation for injuries they say are service-related. That is more than double the estimate of 21 percent who filed such claims after the Gulf War in the early 1990s, top government officials told The Associated Press.

 

http://www.nola.com/military/index.ssf/2012/05/newest_veterans_applying_for_d.html

 

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