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Guest Post: The Economic Abuse Of Veterans In America

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

The Economic Abuse Of Veterans In America

Volunteering to join the military has always been a process rife with internal and external conflictions.  A vital aspect of one’s ultimate decision to do so often depends greatly upon the era in which one becomes eligible.  U.S. citizens leaped at the chance to defend their country at the onset of World War II because the enemies were indeed a legitimate and obvious threat to the freedom and sovereignty of all nations.  During Vietnam, the waters were muddied (at least in the view of millions of citizens), and many Americans did not see the fight as their own.  The line between our system, and the enemies we were supposed to despise, had become progressively more foggy and disjointed.  For any wise and honorable man to go out of his way to risk his life, the fight must be clearly just, otherwise, he may feel that his death will serve no purpose.

No matter what era of war an American soldier happens to take part in, his desire is usually simple and honest; most seek to defend the underlying principles of freedom which have guided the soul of this country for generations.  They seek a righteous cause, and transparent leadership.

Unfortunately, for decades, sincere leadership by our government, from Washington D.C. down to the good-old-boy networks of county politics, has all but been erased.  Not even a trace of truth permeates the bedrock of our legal or bureaucratic structure anymore.  The system has become so corrupt, so leprous and putrid, that it now actually influences originally honorable men and women to do great evil just to survive and to thrive.  Our administrative structure encourages and even breeds thieves, murderers, and tyrants.  It is a self-perpetuating monster machine. 

U.S. soldiers are in a unique position in the middle of this plague of political power gaming.  They are usually the first to bear witness to the blunders (or crimes) of government.  They get to experience up close on the ground where decisions go wrong and how.  They are among the first to witness the changes of mood within our political dynamic, and the first to know when a government has gone rogue.  When these soldiers leave the service as veterans, many have seen the ugliest of the ugly faces of the officialdom running the show.  They become a liability to the carefully crafted image of the U.S. government and the military industrial complex because they know the ultimate truth.

The mistreatment of veterans is often examined with shock and dismay, primarily because the general public cannot fathom why federal, state, and local governments would work against men and women who once served their interests.  However, when one understands that the establishment system views veterans as a political and social threat, a cultural base that is respected by average citizens and carries weight when exposing corruption, the abusive actions of the oligarchy make perfect sense.

I could delve into the disparaging world of Veterans Hospitals and the horror stories surrounding the dime-store-style socialized medical care that men and women receive there (I could also point out that this is a perfect active example of what medical treatment would be like under Obamacare).  I could write for hours about soldiers exposed to chemical and biological warfare from Vietnam to the Gulf War; soldiers who went on to suffer recurring health problems, and who were quickly swept under the rug by Washington.  I could even outline the numerous instances in which the DHS, the Bush Administration, and the Obama Administration, have all attempted to categorize veterans as “possible terrorists” who present a danger to national security:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/

While it is absolutely imperative that veterans and current serving military alike research every aspect of these issues, I would like for a moment to focus on a far less discussed crisis that looms over former military; financial subversion.

Today, most people are suffering an economic loss of one kind or another, and the knee-jerk response by those in financial dire straights might be to question why they should care at all about veterans being squeezed by the system.  I would point out that while the credit crisis is certain to strike the vast majority of average Americans, it has crashed like a ten-ton sack of bricks upon the heads of veterans in particular.

While the U.S. Interagency Council On Homelessness did launch a program called “Opening Doors” in an effort to reduce veteran homelessness, claiming a 12% reduction in 2011, the official number of homeless former serving still stands at 67,000.  This, unfortunately, is a misleading stat, and only counts veterans who have are considered “consistently without shelter”.  In reality, it is estimated that 200,000 or more veterans are homeless on any given night:

http://www.military.com/benefits/veteran-benefits/homeless-veterans-programs.html

That is large population of people under consistent poverty (23% of overall homeless by some measures), and this is not even counting those veterans that just scrape by.  Approximately 40% of these homeless veterans suffer from war related psychological disorders, including Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, and are not responsible for the difficulties they face in the job market.

The unemployment rate for veterans continues to be epidemic, with official numbers between 8% and 9% (and we all know how the Labor Department undercuts real unemployment statistics).  For younger veterans, especially those involved in Gulf War II, unemployment has skyrocketed to 30%:

http://www.businessweek.com/finance/occupy-wall-street/archives/2011/11/the_vets_job_crisis_is_worse_than_you_think.html

One would think that a military background with years of training and command experience in the midst of the most chaotic environments the world has to offer would translate well in the business and working world, but the numbers say otherwise.

Government programs to aid veterans are tossed to the public every year like trick-or-treat candy, but in most cases, they are only a half-hearted attempt to pay lip service to the problem, falsely reassure Americans, and place a band-aid on the gaping wound.  This has become painfully apparent after the 2008 derivatives bubble implosion, which has now triggered the bankruptcy foreclosures of over ONE THIRD of all veteran households:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/30/banks-targeting-military-families-for-illegal-foreclosures/

A homeowner’s mortgage assistance program under the U.S. government does exist, but only covers active duty military.  Veterans are forgotten.

The most active banks foreclosing on veterans include JP Morgan, Bank Of America, Wells Fargo, and PNC.  All of these institutions have been cited for using illegal and hidden fees to increase mortgage liability.  This tactic has been specifically and violently applied to veterans in particular, and over 30,000 cases of possible banking fraud against veterans were exposed in 2011 alone:

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-10/politics/congress.military.mortgages_1_military-orders-active-duty-service-member-returns?_s=PM:POLITICS

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/05/veterans-bank-fees_n_996422.html

Why would banks place such priority on aiming their crosshairs at veterans?  There are a multitude of reasons.  Most veterans have made a career out of following a chain of command and paying heed to authority figures.  Often, this mindset is carried over into the civilian world, where new authority figures like lawyers, judges, bailiffs, even bank representatives, are given far too much credence and are approached with a subservient attitude.  Many veterans also spend so much time within the unique legal structure of the military system that they lose familiarity with civil law, and become frustrated with its operations and complexities.  Some find it impossible to adapt.  To put it bluntly, corporate banks see veterans as easy targets.

To make matters much worse, local bureaucracies have been more than happy to aid major banks in their criminal enterprises, and veterans have been principle victims.  Instead of providing relief and aid to those in financial distress as was originally intended when the bankruptcy court apparatus was created, it has now become a network of parasites honing in on the fiscally weak and using their despair and confusion to rob them of every last possession. 

I have WITNESSED this first hand while examining the case of Warren Bodecker, a Montana local and WWII hero who helped to liberate over 2000 prisoners near execution from the Los Banos prison camp in the Philippines. 

Bodeker’s 89 years of life have been filled with amazing accomplishments and a certain level of success.  It is saddening that in his old age, during days in which he should be allowed some measure of peace, he has come under attack by so many despicable circumstances and people.

Warren’s wife, after battling cancer for a decade, had finally passed.  Her body was put to rest on the family farm, but her medical bills were not.  With debt and interest payments mounting, and Warren living essentially alone, the stress and fear of insolvency ruled his waking moments.  He then made a terrible error; he trusted his fate and his home to the bankruptcy system.  Warren’s story in his own words can be found in the video interview below, conducted by the founder of Oath Keepers and Constitutional Lawyer Stewart Rhodes:

 

I analyze and write about legal corruption on a regular basis.  I have uncovered and outlined banking criminality for years.  But, to watch this tyranny wrought upon an individual right in front of me, a man I know to be good hearted, a person who absolutely does not deserve it, is difficult to endure.

What I found most disturbing in this case was the number of deviants who came out of the woodwork to claim their pound of flesh.  The Trustee, Christy Brandon, has gone out of her way to intimidate Warren, which puzzled me until I learned that she had also appointed HERSELF lawyer for the estate.  If proceedings became “adversarial”, under the law, she would be conveniently awarded a percentage of the bankruptcy loot.  Warren’s former son-in-law (whose motivations remain mysterious and suspicious) wrote secret letters to the courts accusing him of deliberately hiding gold and silver assets.  Warren’s own lawyer advised him little, and in some cases very poorly, pushing him to wave his homestead exemption and feeding Warren to the wolves as it were while he quietly collected his salary. 

The vet was surrounded by frenzied piranha.  With little understanding of bankruptcy law or what was expected of him, he didn’t have a chance.  The system, his lawyer, and the Trustee all asserted the same lie; that if he just quietly rolled over, all would be well.  He has now lost everything, including his home.  He will be forced to exhume his wife’s body from the land he also planned to rest on, with no conceivable future beyond homelessness and regret.  

The system not only failed Warren, it hunted him down and mauled him.  At every level, the legal structure sought to harm him, not protect him, or to conduct fair justice.  It became clear to me after speaking with Warren, even more so than before, that there is no recourse through the legal realm.  It is utterly broken, and beyond all possible repair.  If a veteran and WWII combat hero can be treated so egregiously, what possible chance do the rest of us have?

Warren is just one example of a detrimental and sometimes organized crippling of veterans and their economic safety across America.  Sometimes it is done out of mere greed, sometimes it is done out of idiocy, sometimes it is done with downright malicious intent, and sometimes it's a combination of all three.  In light of this, and as Warren Bodeker's situation proves, there are no solutions within the bounds of the establishment anymore.  The problem, then, goes to those of us who are aware, and to those who also share a military background.  It is up to the Liberty Movement to rally around veterans, and for veterans to rally around each other.  The enemies they face today are much more insidious than any they ever faced on the battlefields of the past.  There will be no relief or comfort unless we support each other.

If you would like to make a donation to the Warren Bodecker Fund, please visit the link below and scroll to the paypal button at the bottom of the article:

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/06/15/wwii-veteran-forced-out-of-home-and-forced-to-exhume-wifes-body-needs-your-help/

If you would like to question Christy Brandon, Trustee for this case, on her side of the story, or if you wish to ask her why she is handling the situation in such a manner, you can use the contact information she provided on her publicly released court documentation (please remain courteous):

Attorney Christy Brandon
Brandon Law Firm, PLLC
P.O. Box 1544
Bigfork, MT 59911
Phone: (406) 837-5445
Fax: (406) 837-5420 Christy@brandonlawfirm.com

 


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Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Right on !  The politicians turn everything into a vote pandering machine  ....  the VA is used to buy votes just like welfare and public employment !  All government together should be less than 10% of the GNP and shrinking !  Think of a child who has a hydro cephalic elephantisis condition where his head is 45% of his body mass and he has to drag his head around the floor .... THAT'S SOCIALISM   !        Monedas    1929     Comedy Jihad Too Much Of Anything Is Bad

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment falak pema
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that's your nightmare, you need a good lay. Don't shout in your sleep you may scare those socialist phantoms lurking in your closet and then you'll miss you nightly thrills; on blue berry hill.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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A good lay requires, uhm, you know some socializing usually. That's a no-can't-do. Tis much easier to shout "Freeedom!" as you clench your member in sheer loneliness.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:34 | Link to Comment blindman
Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:35 | Link to Comment AUD
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the first to know when a government has gone rogue

That's got to be bullshit. Governments went rogue years ago.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Sleepless Knight
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The photo at the top of this article is so wrong on so many levels. Outside our country he was respected, inside no one cares. Photos like this make me want to go to war with what really caused this for this man.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment Northeaster
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"The People" simply are not ready to make a sacrifice, things are just not bad enough.

CONgress? They helped pass the BK laws, doubt those listed on your site will help in any meaningful way.

Things are different now. Kids, thanks to an abysmal job market see the military as their only way out. Unfortunately, the military isn't for everyone, or these kids buy into a propaganda-like lie. A lifetime ago, the military was great for me (even being deployed), today I would seriously question those choices, most likely due to age and experience, and the natural skepticism/cynicism of those in CONgress, as well as their well financed backers motives.

Now the military is filled with suicide and massive unemployment upon discharge, and that's if they were able to come home at all. It blows my mind that senior military officers, who took an Oath to protect The United States Constitution, not CONgress, President, or any one man, and watch The Constitution be shredded in under a decade.

Mr. Bodecker is screwed. Until "The People" don't have anything left to lose, whether through desperation or other circumstances, this will continue. However, in an ideal world, I'd like to see a Division of his fellow Marines "occupy" his land and see what TPTB do at the sight of that. As for Christy Brandon, she will never understand the kind of monumental sacrifice Mr. Bodecker made, and those that never returned. I'm sure she will get the point soon enough as this most likely goes viral in these circles.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment MFL8240
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There is no money for Veterenans under this regime because they know most real Americans loath this clown.  This copurrpt group prefers to pander to the deadbeats of sociaetuy who have contributed nothing.  That is Baracks voting block!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:47 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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@Veterans,

the TPTB are grateful that you were willing to put your life on the line for the protection and expansion of their Empire.

Please show your medals proudly to your children and grandchildren; encourage them to serve as proudly as you did, so that the TPTB will have enough fodder in the future.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment moonstears
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At TPTB, thanks for the advice. Here's some for you. Please move to China and burn a Chinese flag in Tiananmen Square. Thanks! edit: not very popular, uh, ok...when you move to china, and hit Tiananmen Square, as stated. Tell the story of Jesus, or make one of those "Free Tibet" signs like you made in college when you were trying to get in that hippy chick's panties. Remember her, the blonde with the soft, thin blonde cooch and pit hair? Anyway, when you've done the 15 yrs in the People's MAX security, c'mon back to post some more advice for us. See you in 2027!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:59 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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You know, the tanks are being marched in Bahrain.

You might be sad to miss the Tianamen train, you can jump on the bahrain train and form an abraham lincoln brigade equivalent.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, parading his insanitation for all to see, said:

You might be sad to miss the Tianamen train, you can jump on the bahrain train and form an abraham lincoln brigade equivalent.

Yes, because Bahrain is well known Chinese citizenism nation. Bahrain population is Chinese citizens. AnAnonymousism at work.

You sick in head, but you still much comedic and laugh making.

You keep performance continue for amusement to us now doing gleefully.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:26 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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What has this to do?

US citizens are obsessed with Tianmen.

A similar scene has happened several times in Bahrain as the government has been using tanks to subdue the demonstrators.

Ti an men is the past. Bahrain is not. It is happening right now.

US citizens who want to intervene on a government that marches tanks on its people are given a new chance.

They should not miss it.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:39 | Link to Comment akak
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More AnusAnonymous apologitizenism of totalitarian Chinese Communist atrocities and crimes against humanity, and against their OWN citizens!  All actions of Chinese Communist Central Committee good, all aspects of evil Americans bad! 

Make me laugh --- and cry!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:43 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Where do you read an apologize for chinese doings? I just recall US citizens that same acts should call same reaction. If you are angered by Ti an amen square, you must be angered by Bahrain. And if you feel something had to be done for Tianamen, you have given an opportunity with bahrain.

Oooops, I forget. US citizenism is a world of double standards and US citizens are those people who declare freedom an unalienable right to human beings and kept slaves.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:04 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, him doing funny sayings of things here for amusement:

Oooops, I forget. US citizenism is a world of double standards

Ah, ah, and  US citizenism is world of fantasy being creation inside head of AnAnonymous inthere.

AnAnonymousism double standard being working downthere.

But hey, AnAnonymous being funny trained monkey to amusingment performance of much laughingness mirthfully making.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:15 | Link to Comment akak
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Behold the illogic and offuscation of AnusAnonymous again on display, as he desperately tries to hide blame for the atrocities of his beloved totalitarian Chinese Communist overlords and paymasters by deflecting attention from their crimes by bringing up unrelated events, like a child who tries to avoid punishment for his bad behavior by claiming "Well, my brother did it too!".

Directly address the challenges to your lies and bigotry, and to the crimes of your totalitarian rulers, or shut the fuck up already.  You are nothing but a dishonest, disingenuous, bigoted and autistic troll.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:26 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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What are you talking about?

Ti an amen is the past. Bahrain is the present. You should seize the opportunity.

Bringing up unrelated events? That is bold from US citizens who have been deflecting attention from US citizenism through the fantasy of chinese citizenism.

US citizen nature is eternal indeed.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:36 | Link to Comment akak
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Was the massacre of the pro-democracy protesters in 1989 in Tiananmen justified, or not?

Do you stand with them, or with their Chinese Communist murderers?

Take a direct, clear and unambiguous stand here and now, or shut the fuck up already.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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That is very hard to deliver because it is framing.

Would these student have supported a system other than US citizenism, it would make the condemnation of the Chinese very easy.

Considering that these chinese supported US citizenism, taking side and picking one over the other is an illusion.

Pushing people out of a system to force them into US citizenism, that is quite a gift.

Who can wish to impose US citizenism on people but US citizens?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:54 | Link to Comment akak
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More gibbering nonsense and evasion from the dishonest and disingenuous Chicom troll.

Fuck you.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:02 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Do you wish the Chinese to adopt US citizenism ('Americanism')? Let's see your answer to that.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment akak
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Since so-called "US Citizenism" is only a fantasy invented in your own sick and twisted, ragingly bigoted mind, your question is meaningless.

But it is clear that you despise the aspirations for freedom of your fellow oppressed Chinese citizens, and side with your totalitarian Communist overlords in their murder of thousands of Chinese who had the gall to simply wish for more political openness and greater liberty for themselves.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:34 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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That is indeed a clear answer. 'Americanism' does not exist. Sure, very credible.

Well, I wonder what these chinese people would think when they are told that the system they support is just a figment of the imagination of a person who writes on the internet.

But wait, ti an amen happened before I started to write on this forum and these chinese supported 'americanism' before. Ah chronology and US citizens.

I dont support either sides by the way as stated.

But here, do you support the chinese from Ti Amen square as they want to spread US citizenism in china? This will answer to the question.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 17:36 | Link to Comment Poor Grogman
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Free Tibet!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 17:56 | Link to Comment akak
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For Mao and his imperialistic Chinese Communist servants, the annexation of formerly independent Tibet was indeed "free" --- but for the thousands of Tibetans who were killed in the process, and the tens or hundreds of thousands who have been directly and indirectly killed in the decades since the Chinese subjugation of Tibet, the conquest and occupation of that oppressed nation has been anything but free.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 18:29 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous avoided the question by saying:

Would these student have supported a system other than US citizenism, it would make the condemnation of the Chinese very easy.

Perhaps those students who were mercilessly crushed into a paste did support a system other than your imaginary 'US citizenism'. Your entire response here, like nearly everything you say, is based on unsupported assertion.

Considering that these chinese supported US citizenism, taking side and picking one over the other is an illusion.

Interesting that you now consider your unsupported assertion as an established fact. How convenient that the Chinese Citizenism Ministry of Truth has provided you with this unquestionable base of support for your denialism and running away from self indiction.

Such evasive Chinese citizenism hobnobbery answers quite clearly the question put to you. No amount of word gaming crackpottery can conceal your contempt for humanity. You believe that those students, those very human Chinese people, deserved to be crushed into a paste, rinsed from the pavement, and composted because they dared to question the status quo.

You are the perfect example of fear of self indiction. You epitomize the absolute worst of everything you say is wrong with 'US citizenism'. Your whole 'US citizenism' game is just a way for you to project your repugnance onto a convenient exterior. Every fault you find with 'US citizenism' is merely another repulsive aspect of your own wretched existence. You wallow in your own sickness.

Made me retch.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak challenged AnAnonymous thusly:

Take a direct, clear and unambiguous stand here and now, or shut the fuck up already.

Ah, ah, challenge of nature such as this lead to directly of AnAnonymous away runningism.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Yes, as one should run away from the plague and the cholera.

Asking to choose between the communist chinese and the US citizen chinese is the same situation and indeed, you might not wish people to be sick with either.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 18:35 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous runs away:

Yes, as one should run away

Ah, ah, moment of truth. Ultimate rarity of AnAnonymousism.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:50 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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Stalin took care of the Russian veterans of WWII who had fought bravely in Western Europe in his own unique way.  He had them all murdered and buried in mass graves. 

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:53 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Stalin was Genghis's son. With such Dna you can't go wrong! 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:52 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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"The US Civil War was so violent because it was fought from within the family and not from without."

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment falak pema
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the only time the war goes truly civil is when you kill the husband and marry his wife, like the greeks did in Troy. True virtue is when you honour you victim's memory where it is most berieved! Ten years of abstinence somewhat helps in that direction. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:55 | Link to Comment Mercury
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 U.S. citizens leaped at the chance to defend their country at the onset of World War II because the enemies were indeed a legitimate and obvious threat to the freedom and sovereignty of all nations. 

I wonder how many leaped at the chance because they were instead fed up with a depression that wouldn't end and a government that tried in vain to centrally plan their way out of it.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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I guess you are not old enough to have really know many (or any) WWII vets, but I knew a lot of them, and have two uncles still around that served - one with the mighty Eighth and one in the battle of the bulge. 

I never met one single WWII vet who signed up because he needed a job. My era (Vietnam) was more of a mixed bag...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Gut wrenching. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment nuggetstoosmall
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After spending 20+ years in the Army heres food for thought. I put several soldiers out for being unfit, liars, mental health disorders, cheats and on and on. Well, after getting out and trying to get work, I realized these are the same people I put out. Veterans know how this world should work, and its not the crimminal way but do the right thing. Yes when no one is looking, its do the right thing. Yes the govt should be worried about vets, because we're tired of the BS we've been feed. Just think, vets have been given training on how to construct a city, a nation and run it, the right way. What a waste of talent.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:27 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Considering the world's foremost thinkers, throughout the entire gambit of human history, have been unable to determine "the right way" to run a nation, I highly doubt you were given the playbook...  I'm sure you could sufficiently get a city to WORK...  to EXIST...  but, that's a far cry from "the right way" methinks.

The other issue is that, generally speaking, it is not the talented who enlist...  granted, some of the best humans in the history of mankind have served and lived to serve, but this is the exception and not the rule...  typically, it's the poor huddled masses that get huddled as cannon fodder in foreign lands...  Under what scenario do we have a draft or, alternatively, pay people beans to go to war (given the risks involved) and expect to scrape together "talent"?  It's the same as anything else...  [I doubt military concrete layers are better than their private counterparts...  multiply this by every conceivable job to build and/or run a city].

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Jethro
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I was mostly taught how to blow stuff up, patrol, shoot things, patrol, carry heavy objects by foot over long distances, patrol, protect classified materials, assets and personnel....and patrol.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment boogiedown
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I'm a US Navy vet myself -- strapped with about $25,000 in student loans since I enlisted under the pre-9/11 G.I. Bill rules. I'm working hard to pay them off and have only made late payments 4 or 5 times in 8 years. (My husband and I rent a 1-bedroom, have put off buying furniture, having kids, etc.) But if anyone wants to assist vets struggling with student loans, please visit here: http://www.lnvb.org/ The only organization I've found helping vets with retroactive scholarships.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment moonstears
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All gave some, some gave all. To all here who'll post some negative "baby killers, moron, robots" tripe towards US Vets, let me extend a hearty "Go Fuck Yourself, you Knucklehead!" from us all! (p.s. Yeah, I'm a Sailor/former Sailor, ask your girlfriend about us, give her a few cocktails first, I'm sure one of ours did, at some point! :)) 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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shining example, thanks.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment paint it red ca...
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I am acquainted with a said veteran having an opposing outcome for his military service. As he told it, he was gravely wounded in vietnam causing disfigurement of his limbs. Somehow he was allowed to remain in the service but transferred to one of the security agencies of government. He ultimately was employed in the NSA, the highlight of his career working out of Utah, as he tells it, with the most infamous officer associated with the Iran/contra affair.

Retired now to a opulently adorned mcmansion in a rural southeastern setting by a river, he bragged to me a total stranger, about various pension checks he draws against a life of government service in various security agencies he has served since his injuries. He tells of how the government issued checks go uncashed for weeks without need of dipping into any savings, how he paid cash for his home. He tells of not filing for his SS until he was well over the threshold age of 62 then laughed about getting the uncollected "backpay" as a lump sum. I have no idea if any or all of his story is factual or just delusional but observe that his lifestyle is that of a retired executive and that he is not one bit restrained about shooting other peoples dogs who trespass his mini farm.

I judge him a overly compensated  psychopath next to whom I am reluctant to build despite the otherwise magnificent setting.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:05 | Link to Comment darteaus
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I AM NOT A PSYCHOPATH!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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That sounds exactly like my neighbor.  Is his name Tom?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment paint it red ca...
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not sure what his name is, tom certainly is not what the other neighbors call him. in the more than decade i have owned the property, i have spoken to hiim no more than  i can count on one hand by design.

dishartening there could be more like him out there.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Unfortunately, I know several such former service members.  The term "blowback" can be used in many different ways.  What a person goes through (especially if they served on a black ops unit such as Delta) is what it is.

Every action has an equal and sometimes unpredictable reaction, don't be suprised by this, it has been this way since the begining of time.

You may think this person is paranoid, but remember, he probably knows better than anyone else, precisely what your government and people in general are capable of.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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he is not one bit restrained about shooting other peoples dogs who trespass his mini farm.

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Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:30 | Link to Comment akak
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Roadside shitting and blindly bigoted online trolling: Chinese national sports.

Don't step into either, you will be disgusted.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:21 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous in being dinner preparation saying:

he is not one bit restrained about shooting other peoples dogs who trespass his mini farm.

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US national sports. Dont step in, they will be frustrated.

Made me laugh. Because you meaning in really not doing step in because AnAnonymous culinary designs now focused to harvest of shotted dogs being.

AnAnonymous make much funny. He go wok the dog.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment akak
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AnAnonymous make much funny. He go wok the dog.

ROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Talents of you whatever wasted being have, shoulding on the other foot doing the writing comedic insteadwise!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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It is an unfortunate truth that often soldiers are underappreciated (to say the least) by governments and by the general public.

Rudyard Kipling addressed this a long time ago in his "Tommy". See http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/tommy.html

Here is the last verse:

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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As a disabled vet I could have a lot to say about this. Especially since the incident that damaged me was a very preventable situation and then it took from 1980 until 2005 for the VA to finally recognize the seriousness of the situation. 25 years it took to get full benefits, and a few of them were homeless after a deadly house fire in 2001. Here is an example, as service members we like all other workers were subject to ss and payroll withholding, but if you suffered a service connected disability you were not allowed to file for social security disability. The SS administration made the internal decision not to accept medical records or VA admin decisions as evidence of a disability. They had no rational basis for the decision, and it was a blatant cost savings decision that simply gave the stiff middle finger to vets. I filed for SS in 1991 while still appealing the VA decision and I was told not to bother by some desk bot looked at me as if I were infected with something communicable. It was not till 2002 when a judge ordered the ss admin to accept VA records and decisions as evidence that we could re file and win an ss case.

Here is another example for you, HUD gets a large block of money from congress that is reserved for housing for disabled vets, this means that the long waiting lists of years to get section 8 housing can be avoided by vets because there is money set aside just for them right? Wrong, congress tells HUD to set aside such funds but they just simply do not. When the fire happened and I lost everything I went back home to California to my mother's house, but because she was older and on ss she had HUD subsidized housing, pretty sad that as well after working and paying in her whole life to be retired on $900 per month social (in)security. She was not allowed to have me in the home under HUD rules. I had to go to HUD and ask to be added to her section 8 voucher or she would lose her housing. What a nightmare, they wanted years of proofs and paperwork that had burned up. There was a class every other month you were required to attend to see if you were even eligible. In the meantime you sleep in the woods. Then there was a waiting list of years, and if you were a male with no dependents females with dependents will always go higher on the list than you. In short they said I could apply but the odds of ever getting assistance were very slim.

After I prevailed in my VA and SS claims in 2005 and 2006 I was able to get my own place and start over. But, I do not expect it to last, my future and present security rests upon the whims of a stressed out public and the politicians they vote for. If Romney wins the vet will be back under that freeway overpass in a matter of months. The VA healthcare system will be one of the first oxen to get gored. I am old enough now in my mid fifties that I cannot do this multi decade battle with government bureaucrats again. This time I will just go find a spot on the planet where I can survive my last years on what little will be provided.

As to killing brown people, while many people are innocent no matter their skin color or racial/social traits (only a racist would use color or race as likstane does) and so deserve to be left in peace, there are and probably always will be those who are NOT peaceful and innocent, who are a threat and absolutely should be taken out before they can kill us. You can disagree with HOW it gets done, you can even disagree with whether or not it SHOULD be done, but it is not the soldier that makes that decision. And if you say they cannot decide to make war if nobody volunteers you are an idiot. They will just start drafting again. And besides, a whole lot of war has been and will be AVOIDED thus saving so many of your wonderful "brown people" as you call them just by the fact that we have a vigorous military and the obvious will to use it.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Likstane
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Ultimately it is the soldier that makes the decision to pull the trigger, launch the drone, stab the other fucker in the throat.  If you signed up for the chance to go kill somebody, your situation is no heart breaker to me.  What do you think the military is for?  Do you really think some Arab in Carjack-is-stan is a threat to your freedoms?  Wake up and smell the coffee.  Your dear military is just a strongarm for enforcing financial servitude on some people who really don't give 2 shits about your freedom.  The last thing I want is to be told one of my boys was killed in some shithole 6000 miles away "defending our freedoms"  from some brown guy with a box-cutter.   Take your ass back to whereverfuckistan and finish the job if you are so passionate about a "vigorous" military.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:32 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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I hope you get the help you need before it is too late.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:29 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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And besides, a whole lot of war has been and will be AVOIDED thus saving so many of your wonderful "brown people" as you call them just by the fact that we have a vigorous military and the obvious will to use it.

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In order to avoid killing people, we have to kill people.

Signed: a US citizen.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment akak
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In order to continue building centrally-planned but empty ghost cities, we must continue to blob-up world resources and consume them at an utterly unsustainable rate (while simultaneously polluting and toxifying our own environment to unprecedented levels).

Signed: A Chinese Communist citizen.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The US has built tons of ghost towns.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:04 | Link to Comment akak
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Name one.

 

PS: Thank you for displaying your insanitation once again.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Made me laugh.

You know, you can dedicate a whole website to ghost towns in the US.

http://www.ghosttowns.com/ghosttownsusa.html

Do your pick.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:03 | Link to Comment akak
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You are fucking insane.  AND a liar.

The fundamental difference there being that those US cities were not BUILT as empty ghost cities!

I would tell you to go eat shit (roadside or otherwise), but that would probably only make your Chinese Citizenism mouth salivate in anticipation.  Just like that old saying: "Lie down to eat dogs, get up to shit on the side of the road like one."

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:23 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

In order to avoid killing people, we have to kill people.

Signed: a US citizen.

In order to have places of pooping, we have now many of roads must building.

Signed: a Chinese citizenism citizen

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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How does this mirror the US citizen statement?

Cant even build a proper analogy?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:48 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Hey, lookey there, open roadside!

You go there now! You go pooping now on roadside! Give birthingness to brown baby Mao, see dung.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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I'd like to point out in the case of the vet losing his home, if he didn't consent to waiving his homestead exemption, then maybe he needs to file a malpractice claim?  Accept responsibility for his knowing blunder?  Enforce the agreement that he got in writing to do so?  If he didn't get one, then again either file a malpractice claim or accept responsibility for his blunder...

I'm also having a very hard time digesting the inherent notion of economic exploitation of veterans...  First, WE'RE ALL GETTING THE SHIT EXPLOITED OUT OF US (e.g. zirp, bailouts, inflation tax, express tax, currency swaps, etc.)...  so take a fucking number.  *gets out world's smallest violin*...  Second, when one signs up for military service, there isn't a promise that he's going to get fellated for eternity from 100 virgins...  well, some of our "opponents" might use that sales pitch, but I think ours is a bit more grounded.  This means that, despite significant mental issues after seeing comrades get blown to shit, you still have to suck it up and reassimilate into proper society.  This is speculation...  some win, some lose.  Third, these folks have economic alternatives.  If you have military service on your resume, you're going to get hired over a vast majority of other people...  it is COMPLETELY a leg up in the work force...  for those who can't find employment, they can move to the other government teet and hit up the disability and welfare lines and get that awesome snap card.

I also want to take a giant shit on this notion that signing up for service is some noble and righteous act done out of self sacrifice.  Give me a fucking break.  At this juncture, we have a volunteer army.  The motivating factor isn't to do justice in the world...  to protect america's shores...  it's to earn a living...  this job just happens to shoot people for a living.  If the military's enlistees REALLY REALLY wanted to protect america, then they would not spend so much time pissing off brown people throughout the world...  They're not automatons...  They're not robots...  they're simply opportunists like everyone else.  It's no different than Blankfein claiming Goldman was doing god's work...  the only difference is there is a kneejerk reaction, a deep seeded public sentiment that somehow the military's actions are righteous regardless of what it does...  well, I hate to break it to you, but that's total bullshit.  If your thesis is correct, that the government is corrupt, then all of its arms are likewise corrupt...  being the fruit of the poisonous tree.  It's time to dispense with this notion that our military personnel are above question, regardless of whether the wars they're fighting have any legitimacy.  You simply cannot separate the two...  enlisting is simply an affirmative vote for illegitimate conflict.  This is a personal decision...        

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:12 | Link to Comment Samual Adams
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First thing you've misunderstood is that the majority of enlistees after false flage 9-11 were motivated by patriotism and obviously took 9-11 at face value.  The majority believed in this farce and they wanted to help defend/protect America.   I can say this is true for the military personell I have spoken too. It is also true for me, I joined in 2005 and exited the Army in 2009.  It is also true that some signed up to the military for merely a job and perhaps adventure.

Now, having served 14 months in Baghdad completing over 400 missions, raids, patrols, training iraqi police/army, intel gathering, terrain denial, etc. building up 2 COPS(Combat Out Posts), on the Karada penensula.  Incesently being mortared and bombed on FOB Rustiyahmiah, and actually losing an LT with an EFP to the face through the HMMWV window, 2 friends getting chunks taking out of them.    Seeing what it's like mutliple times in the Embassy and all the beaurocracy.

The army wasn't for me,  not enough freedom, not incharge of your own life, beholdend to someone else at all times, always being told what to do, etc. 

With that being said, Since 2009 I have learned a great deal, about the wars, economy, police state, politics, the Truth etc.  ZeroHedge has been amazing in that regard,  I love reading all of the comments.  Yes I am against the wars, the military industrial complex, the bankers, FIAT, all that enslaves us and more

Something you must understand is that when you risk your life everyday when you're over there actually in a combat zone and receive incoming fire and you see others around you die, including KBR civilians.   That exempts the 'opportunists' as you call veterans/active  from being compared to blankfien as you so carelessly do.   Enlistees and mid to lower level officers do not decide who to invade, what part of a country to take over but sure as hell do all of the fighting and dieing.  I think your anger should be directed more towards the political scum and the higher level Brass.  Start from Sec Def, Chief of Staff, all of the generals including those incharge of bases here.  And the 'Private' side of the military industrial complex.   That's where you're anger should be directed.  Don't take my sage advice and I garuntee you that if you repeat this to one too many combat veterans, whether you're a veteran or not, it might not end up so well for you.

Now, I do know that is is everyone's duty to them selves to actually research, do due diligence and put forth their best effort in finding out the Truth about why their country is going to/at war before they enlist.   But that takes an Awake person to do so. Someone who is not completely assimilated into the matrix of lies and propaganda.   You cannot fault someone for not being awake when you are.

" It's time to dispense with this notion that our military personnel are above question, regardless of whether the wars they're fighting have any legitimacy. You simply cannot separate the two... enlisting is simply an affirmative vote for illegitimate conflict. This is a personal decision... "

I don't think anyone is saying military personnel are above question as you say.  I do know that help, programs, and opportunities should be available/offered to facilitate success, quality of life and employment after seperating from the military.  Again these veterans are Americans and risked their lives, fought bravely, and did the right thing while serving this country.   That's the thick of it.    I don't know if you realize this but war changes you forever and some cannot assimilate back into society, lead fullfilling lives, keep a job, etc.  Therefore the right thing to do is to have resources to help.  

The OIF/OEF clinic is a wing of the VA, it offers counsling with professionals and peers, job search, vocational rehabilitation, gi bill help, va home loan help, and more.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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to those still reading this thread..one point should be made..look at that picture a man defeated..that is not what those of us who served would allow to happen to us..I would act against those that stole my honor and life never would I just sit and beg..at some point we vets get slammed as helpless drug adicted winers..is this propaganda?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Samual Adams
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"helpless drug addicted winers"

To see the lines at the pharmacy, at VA Bay Pines in St. Petersburg FL, or at the VA in Cincinnati,  it is disheartening.  Albiet it's by design, to have these veterans addicted or reliant on Rx drugs handed out sometimes like candy by VA doctors.  Surely, another attribute of the Pharmalogical Industrial Complex.

"is this propaganda?"

Good question, never thought of it like that. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:12 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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"veterans" are not the only "drug addicted" amrkns - medicated minds is a national norm of late, and sadly.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Not long ago this was the propagandized view of veterans...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEJkjMkxJh0

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Your story could be half good if the US has just moved out of a conscription system. Not the case.

Besides, that is the story of the awakened, just as enjoyed by US citizens. If indeed, the US citizens who were engulfed in joining after 9,11 were that disgusted, they would not recommend acquaintances to join the military to kickstart their life.

A number of enlistees join for very solid reasons they get from trustees a few years older than themselves and who served.

-US is generous toward US citizens who wish to live off blood money.
-the enemy is easy, going to be lolz as you can do much without fear of sanctions, killing, murdering is fun
-being a vet is great for social recognition

Sheeple do not exist to the extent US citizens on this site would like to sell. US citizens are aware of the situation and they support it because they benefit from it.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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I, TPTB, and everything and everyone else in life, refuse to accept that being ignorant is worthy of granting exemption.  If, as you claim, money and opportunity were not motivating factors for the decision to enlist, then ignorance was...  and ignorance, in and of itself, is a lifestyle...  it is a decision.  The decision not to be skeptical.  Some people have better skills that others in this regard, but it most certainly is a decision.  I refuse to accept that the general population is incapable of understanding some of these basic mechanisms...  the truth is that denial is a strong drug.  Ultimately, your view is contemptuous and gives rise to the "need" for protection purported by the nanny state...  In the wake of vietnam, I just don't see a legitimate excuse...  the government has idiotic motives, at best, and will treat you like shit, at best, while doing grunt work.

Further, if the post 9/11 enlistees believed whole heartedly that the "terrorists" posed some viable threat to the sovereignty of the united states and this was their sole motivation in enlisting, then why accept the pay and benefits that come along with the service?  Why not return them to uncle sam?  The simple fact is that self interest is present in every conscious human action.  And, more specifically, it was a motivating factor in their decisions...  If it took god to impregnate a whore to shit out a super being free from sin, then I highly doubt the ranks of enlistees manage to rise to this level of selflessness.  Give me a break.  There is a psychological need to create the fiction of altruism in order to get around the prospect of losing one's life...  it's the only way the balancing of the pros and cons...  the weighing of the relative benefits makes sense...  because we have to create a fiction for ourselves...  that we're doing god's work.

The only thing that I have issue with is the pedestal placed on our military servicemembers...  at one time, it might have been more warranted...  but, at the present time, I see no reason for perpetuation of the myth.  When I look at servicemembers I see the same selfish motivations found in every human...  whether it's to keep a family legacy of enlisting alive...  money... opportunity...  or even the desire for adventure...  they're all selfish...  and they're all present.

And there are plenty of programs available to veterans...  especially for mental health issues...  one of the largest issues is perceptions in the military community frown upon getting help...  machismo...  but the avenues are there...  the trick is to not get caught up in the "selflessness" that caused the need for help...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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ignorance is a lifestyle choice.

I'll have to agree - with all the information available on the internet now, to willfully choose to embrace a system that exploits humans for profit, and invades other nations, killing the peoples and poisoning the earth, for corporate resource profits - alone! - the only reasonable conclusion is that it's a choice made, to "fit in" with the herd. . .

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment darteaus
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The sad truth is that soldiers are always expendable.  I found this out after about 9 months.

- Semper Fi

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Crispy
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Close all the base, end the endless wars shut down the military bribery complex and use the loot for provide healthcare gratis for every tax paying American. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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If one wants to defend liberty today, one best join the Tea Party.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:20 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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hand outs for vets? sure ,and send some to protect jon corzine and his pals- the mission of the military and spooks was to protect this country..they have let the nwo elite  get the control of power and now stand by and do the NWO bidding.

there is a big diff between those that serve this current gov and those that served in the last century. today they are all the palace guard to a man, some know it most probly still think they are serving America.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Crab Cake
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I dont know what to say other than this is a sad fucked up reality/world/country...

Financial rape aside there is also an epidimic of suicides among active and returning vets. While I am not a veteran I am familiar with that kind of disillusion, depression, and despair. I pray that we as a country of individual people can make this country better. There is so much detachment. Our society is cold and anonymous. We must find a better way to be. Thats sounds goofy, and damned if I know how we get there, or if we have to go through hell firsy, but I do know its true. There is something very fundamentally wrong with how modern society is existing that isnt nourishing humanity with what it needs, there is a... hollowness.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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what is truly sad is the continuing co-dependent behaviour of the majority, who are literally invested in maintaining their false "reality" because to contemplate anything else would necessitate change, from the core outwards.

some of these suicides might be prevented if dis-illusioned vets, some of whom see through the lies they were told, but come back to other liars in the culture - patting them on the back for their "service" when the vets themselves may be on the brink of realising just how used and abused that service was - the cognitive dissonance of a fake culture offering shallow praise must be immense!  add to that a body suffering from wounds, shock, pharma handed out like candy, much of it actually being tested in their bodies! - and the suicides become more understandable, if not palatable.

for "modern society" to recover, it needs to start by telling itself the truths, and supporting those who do tell truth to power.  it won't be easy, because of late, enough "laws" have been passed to make a truth-teller an enemy combatant.

when one really thinks about THAT truth, how can change not happen?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:22 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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I have fought the corrupted legal system in NC to stop their feeding on their client. The law is the foundation of our democracy. Lawyers have forgotten their obligations to the law and their fiduciary responsibility to protect their clients' rights, but they have NOT forgotten their right to make money. When lawyers use their knowledge of the law and their power in the system against their clients, they have become the LEGAL MAFIA.

I also filed c;aims to the NC State Bar Association. I had documents supporting unquestionable violations of their Rules of Professional Conduct and possibly violations of the law. I am sure you are all laughing at my complete waste of time, because you know lawyers protect lawyers' interest.

Our country is lost!

WW II vet is abused and no one does anything? Are we just cowards that allow a bunch of educated technocrats abuse us because they have standing in a system they created to benefit themselves and abuse the people. Remember Ptrick Henry: "Give me Liberty or Give me Death! Please, think deeply on these words.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment akreitman
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Interesting, but nonsense.

The VA health system has outcomes that rival the best health care institutions anywhere.   In addition, I defy you to find a more generous retirement health system than tricare, even retired NYC cops envy tricare.

Unemployment is a problem, but look at the demographics of the current veterans.  Is their unemployment rate higher than other unskilled high school graduates?  The fact is that with the mafia in decline, there just isn't that much commercial demand for trained killers.

Lastly, the Warren Bodeker story.   That's a truly american story.   Our most "generous" and popular social safety net program, medicare, is paltry compared to the health care support everyone gets in Japan or Germans or England, or Taiwan or Singapore or any other OCED country.  That can only happen here.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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The VA health system has outcomes that rival the best health care institutions anywhere

Bull shit.  Every veteran knows the VA healthcare system is where you go to die, not live.  If you were a veteran you'd know this which means you are a talking out of your ass ignoramus.

Unemployment is a problem, but look at the demographics of the current
veterans.  Is their unemployment rate higher than other unskilled high
school graduates?  The fact is that with the mafia in decline, there
just isn't that much commercial demand for trained killers.

This comment clearly demonstrated the unlimited potential of your total and utter cluelessness.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment Jena
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akreitman said: The VA health system has outcomes that rival the best health care institutions anywhere.

 

The VA health system has the advantage of a patient population that is on average, young, healthy and fit, albeit often blown to hell.  It also has the latest and best in trauma and advanced life support technology.  

Compare that to trauma centers that take the young, old and sick in various degree of injury with stretched resources.  Or the average medical center that treats the gamut of acute and chronic illnesses on ever-shrinking reimbursement dollars.  (These are the institutions that are up for comparison.)

Yes.  The VA system has better outcomes in the short term.  But don't confuse those results with mentally and physically disabled veterans who need continued support -- particularly in the arena of traumatic brain injury and what that means for the rest on one's life.  At least there is some understanding of that problem now, whereas it was pretty much ignored in the past.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Dingleberry
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Bash the US and its vets all you want.  Often it's deserved. But don't forget, without the military, you wouldn't have free speech (I know some of you assholes think you would, but you wouldn't).  Or did you forget god old king George the third? And tell that to the Tianneman square dudes.  The fires of Auscwitz would still be burning if it weren't for the US. Ask anyone in the far east (outside of Japan) what their world would be like if it weren't for us. They riot every time a Japanese leader even goes to a military shrine.  Euros hate us (until the Germans decide to get froggy and jump on someone).  Unless you have been there and seen for yourself like I have (many times), you may want to shut the fuck up and stop embarrasing yourself.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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diggle from a combat vet of long ago..you need to think a little bit more about who you served while the enemy of freedom took control of your government..sorry but you served the reptiles of this world, any honor you had was stolen.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Kreditanstalt
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OTOH, the military is a form of government employment...a social program.

Where else do you get free taxpayer-funded medical care, subsidized food, housing, insurance and a salary?

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:54 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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In ghettos and trailer parks all across this glorious USA.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Better to be deployed on a US war theatre than live in a US citizen ghetto.

Better life prospects, you can murder and be charged for much less if convicted, do drug trafficking, steal, rape, all this with the great moral discharge of doing all that to protect people at home.

Must be a tear for a ghetto loon who joined the military and has to return home.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:03 | Link to Comment akak
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I am the Great Stoolman Mousy Tongue, founder of the totalitarian Chinese Communist state and murderer of tens of millions of my fellow Chinese subjects, and I approve this Chinese Citizenism message.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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The major banks, defense contractors, telecommunications, ag, the list is long....

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:27 | Link to Comment lesterbegood
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It is no surprise to me regarding the abuses and neglect of veterans of US Federal Corporation. After all, they're working for the company, taking the money. American troops have not fought for liberty since the War of 1812.

See The Act 0f 1871 (The Organic Act), The Emergency Banking Act of 1933 (HJR 192), Trading with the Enemy Act c.1917, amended 1933.

Worked FedCorps USN 1976-80 serving the banksters until I wised up.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:28 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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Congradulations ZeroHedgers, Attorney Christy Brandon's voice mail is FULL

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:17 | Link to Comment Gunga
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I can vouch for the accuracy of a lot of this article. I was an officer in the Marine Corps for 8 years, as a helicopter medevac pilot. I worked in Fortune 500 companies for 18 years after getting out, steadily promoted to jobs of increasing responsibility as a manufacturing manager , the whole nine yards.
Then plant consolidations, laid off, . I am working now but underemployed in every sense of the word. I'll move anywhere, states, overseas etc for a job that pays. I just want to earn so I can help my children maximize their potential.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Too bad all those that run things want is for your kids to join the military and for you to hurry up and collect your government stone and plot.

Welcome to the land fill.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Jim B
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Some lawyers are truly SCUM!  I know from personal experience!

 

Hi Christy! You dirtbag! 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:30 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Some?

Even IB'ers are less scummy.  At least with IB'ers one knows their primary interest is blowing whomever controls the bonus.  With a lawyer one NEVER knows, except that they will fuck you in the end with the bar they dance around.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment WhiteNight123129
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Guys don t be too pessimistic, the guys up there are sabotaging themselves massively and they do not know it. Their best enemies are themselves, it took 100 years to go from tiny Gov (2.4% of GNP was the National Gov revenues) to monster. The monster self destructs that is the good news.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:49 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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I would man a Stoner/96 LMG any day...

On Warren Bodeckers farm.

You want his wife's body? Bring a shovel, I'll be waiting.

This shit really, really pisses me off. Some thing ARE worth fighting for.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Speaking as a 100% disabled war vet all I care to say is; Nothing but your regular.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:58 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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DO NOT ruin your life , for fucking Israel

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:01 | Link to Comment Crabshack
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I don't think they say that soldiers are sent overseas to "fight for what is right".  It usually comes out as, "to protect our way of life".  That way of life as we all know it includes the corporatism and indebtedness that they are fighting for.

It is shameful to speak poorly of people that give up their life for their country.  They aren't examining the situation and realizing what they actually are fighting for; they are following orders, which is the first thing taught to them as soldiers.

Calling them "usually poor" casts aspersions on them, like a hot shot trader who makes $2M/year is actually a 'just' person and these soliders are not.  Not everyone measures the quality of a man by the amount of fiat pieces he can collect.

I think the negativity is misplaced and should be directed at the people who are pulling the strings and not the pawns who leave their families behind and have a % chance of losing their lives. 

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:16 | Link to Comment AurorusBorealus
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It is a shame about Warren.  All of this could have been prevented if he had only hired a good lawyer.  Medicaid would have been available at some point prior to bankruptcy.  The Medicaid system differs slightly from state-to-state but federal guidelines require substantial similarity.  A good lawyer, specialized in elder-law committing to serving clients, could have gotten Warren out of this mess before.  Now, it is too late.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:29 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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...lawyers have a duty to hold their peers responsible. These good lawyers you reference have a standing and a responsibility to fix this mess. There are NO good lawyers until the good lawyers stand-up to the bad lawyers.

I have had lawyers tell me they are aware of corrupt lawyers. I tell them they MUST report them to the Bar. They tell me they can't, because their report on a fellow fraternity brother will have them excomunicated and they will be unable to feed their family.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:43 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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mafia.

same ethics and rules as the American Medical ASSociation, by the way.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:10 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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Agreed, but lawyers love to file lawsuits against docs. Try to get a lawyer to file malpractice against fellow lawyer.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 22:07 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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yes, lawyers are from a different family. . .

it's all mafia families, loyalties, betrayals, collusion for profits.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:21 | Link to Comment Nonexistent Uni...
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The poor die in the wars of the rich, nothing new here and thinking anything is likely to change anytime soon is naive. That said there's far worse things then a little naivety. One can only hope that part of the silver lining of the coming Ecapocalypse would be to change things like this.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:52 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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In US citizen societies, the military is a middle class institution.

US citizens do kill a lot of poor indeed but it is to support the middle class.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment akak
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More nonsensical and bigoted anti-American gibberish from our favorite Communist Chinese apologist and court jester.  Make me laugh!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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What class the majority of the military personal belongs to in a US citizen society?

Lower class? Middle class? Upper class?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment goforgin
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Almost 45% of veterans apply for disability benefits once their Army career is over. That's right, most of these young men end up living on the dole, paid for by Social Security payees. This is another example how the Defense Complex offloads its expenses onto others.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:48 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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As opposed to 100% of banksters and corporations. Half the kids in this country get some form of assistance and every last one of them had a father who is just fine with their kids getting some form of welfare, what did they ever do other than fuck a chick and knock her up to deserve the money? At least I served and I could not care less who approves, you think you owe us nothing and that is sad, but on the bright side the fact that it bothers you so much goes a long way to making the bullshit vets have to put up with worth it.

 

 

BY the way, the reason so many vets now apply for disability compared to previous wars is that while as many get hurt as before far more are being saved rather than dying in triage as they used to. Why? Because that big evil government that does not care about anybody but the empire you say we run now has body armor and better armored vehicles, they have more doctors and surgeons, they air evac the injured halfway around the planet within hours to specialists who can save lives. The number of vets filing claims is not HIGHER now, it was LOWER then because before the guys were just killed, now we struggle hard to save all of them. How unthinking and cruel can we be? By the way, we also take extraordinary precautions not to allow collateral damage to civilians, it still happens of course but we do really try. The world is not a perfect place, but it is clear that quite a few adult here and in the public generally have no idea what constitutes right and wrong. That is scarier than any war.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Crabshack
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In a lot of cases they become "damaged goods".  When you come home, sometimes you can't un-see what you have seen over there.  A lot have lost people and others have been forced to kill people they don't even know.  I worked with a gentleman who just was first on scene of particularily bad traffic accident and it changed an otherwise intelligent hard worker into not leaving his house and eventually losing his job.

Soldiers are trained a certain 'way' to do things and a regiment to maintain.  Sometimes that doesn't fit into changing their khaki uniforms in for khaki slacks and working at a GAP store.  Although they have great skills and discipline, I would imagine employment is a big challenge.  

If you can't find a job and don't want to be homeless then maybe a disability claim is the only option.  For the last 8 years full employment has not been easy for even the most able body.  Look to economic conditions before claiming the troops are changing.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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would that everyone who is volunteering to kill for corporate profits through stealing other nation's resources

were told this,

Soldiers are trained a certain 'way' to do things and a regiment to maintain.  Sometimes that doesn't fit into changing their khaki uniforms in for khaki slacks and working at a GAP store.  Although they have great skills and discipline, I would imagine employment is a big challenge.

because to enlist in the killing machine doesn't leave hands and minds clean upon discharge.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Marty Rothbard
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   At this point, what the US military is doing, is so clearly wrong, and obviously evil, that anyone volunteering either deserves what they get, or is so stupid, that they should not qualify for service.  Come home America.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:29 | Link to Comment Yankee.go.home
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Sorry, being a veteran is not a permanent Get Out of Jail Free card for everything that may come your way.

You are welcome for the VA, 4% of the federal budget.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment cfosnock
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This treatment is not new, look how they treated Revolutionary War, and Civil War vets. They had the Army attack WWI vets during the depression. The veterans are just on the front lines of how the elite\government views it populace, they are expendable

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:09 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Overall this is a pretty crummy column from a pretty crummy writer.  Its disjoined, incoherent, and tries to cram in too many topics.  It is all full of inaccuracies and half-truths including that the federal gov't doesn't have numerous programs for vets (it does) or that those programs haven't greatly grown in size & scope since we went to a volunteer army after Vietnam (they have). 

I also found it hiliarious that only recently that the U.S. gov't mistreated its veterans. 2nd Continental Congress and most of the states defaulted on a number of pension promises to make to volunteers after the American Revolution or never made promised payments in the first place.  The author acts like mistreating and reneging on veteran benefits is some new phenomenon in American history.  Its been the norm through out our history and not the exception.  Literally the first time that veterans were really granted generous benefits was after WW2 and that was only due to the size sheer of the amount of eligible voters who served.   

There are plenty of real issues facing veterans (e.g., processing disability applications and a huge backlog there that both parties largely just have paid lip service too) but this author doesn't do a good job of picking one and really focusing on it.

Biggest short-coming of this site is the steady stream of crummy pieces from op-ed columnists who write here with no editorial oversight. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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I have read this whole mess, and after all is said and done, thank you Brandon Smith for bringing this up so eloquently, and thank you ZH for posting it. The role of the military veteran in any society will probably always be subject to debate. At least these days most people seem to respect our active duty personnel, which is a change from my days - but it seems vet-bashing never totally goes out of style, as some of the posters today have proved. 

Whatever else, the service changes people, and you never completly get over it. I've been out over 40 years, and there is still pride and still pain and I still love my country, but I really, really dislike where my government is going, or is being taken by the financial complex, which has taken over the old military-industrial complex.

I wobble between a profound sense of sorrow at what is happening to my country (NDAA, JPM - all the usual suspect initials) and being really, really pissed off: pissed off seems to be winning...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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I've been out over 40 years, and there is still pride and still pain and I still love my country, but I really, really dislike where my government is going, or is being taken by the financial complex, which has taken over the old military-industrial complex.

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Why about reinstating the draft so enlisting personal to be able to cast off their responsibility on the big bad government?

Signed: a US citizen

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:27 | Link to Comment akak
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What about repealing the One Child Policy of totalitarian Communist China so that Chinese citizens are free once again to breed like rabbits, while simultaneously reducing the consumption of human fetus soup?  What about ending the occupation of formerly free and independent Tibet, and ending the 60+ year warmongering against the free and independent Republic of Taiwan?  What about ending the blobbing-up of world resources to build dozens of unoccupied ghost cities, courtesy of insane Communist Party central planning run amok?

Signed: A Chinese citizen.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:46 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Free Tibet! Free Taiwan! Free the united states of America!

That is still more in favour of freedom than you can state.

US citizen double standard.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:08 | Link to Comment akak
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More desperate denialism on your part, and refusal to address direct challenges to your beloved totalitarian Chinese Communist rulers.

Chinese citizenism roadside shitting standard.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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How are they not addressed?

Free Tibet!Free Taiwan! Free the US of A!

Where is your address? Please provide.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment akak
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A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

But if waste it you must, please go do it elsewhere.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous flying so incredibly high. He wasting of mind in Peoples Liberation Opium Parlour.

Himself getting much stoned to perform trained monkeyism amusements.

Be ready for ducking, he throwing poop soon vigourously.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:57 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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C'me on, free Tibet is a waste of a mind? free taiwan is a waste of a mind? Freedom is waste of a mind?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:14 | Link to Comment akak
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Why bring them up, when you support none of those things?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:18 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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'Eloquent' is the last word I would use to describe this rambling column. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Yankee.go.home
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It is rife with conflictions.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:28 | Link to Comment thismonkeydoesn...
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I watched about 5 minutes of the video interview on the oathkeepers website, and was appaled. This is digusting. I donated a hundred clownbux and I would hope others follow suit. Although I am a Canadian, I believe if we can help this TRUE HERO, the story will serve to educate others and help them to avoid this type of treacherous deciet in the future.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 22:26 | Link to Comment @Watcher
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War Is a Racket   Author(s) Smedley Butler Subject(s) War Publisher Round Table Press Publication date 1935 51

War Is a Racket is the title of two works, a speech and a booklet, by retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two time Medal of Honor recipient Smedley D. Butler. In them, Butler frankly discusses from his experience as a career military officer how business interests commercially benefit from warfare.

SEE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment dadoody
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There is such a long history of thanklessness for Veterans who return from war in this country.

Not sure why this is a surprise after every conflict. We have a consistent history of being bastards to the very people we had asked for service years before. Never fails. 

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