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Guest Post: Egypt Enters The Third Stage Of The Revolution, And No One Is Watching

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Submitted by Bill F of NAR2012

Egypt Enters The Third Stage Of The Revolution, And No One Is Watching

The recent elections in Egypt now lead to a showdown between the two top vote getters on June 16/17.   The protagonists, Ahmed Shaiq (former PM for Mubarak and candidate of the military) vs. Mohammed Mursi (Muslim Brotherhood), pits two candidates most of the population really doesn’t want in the first place.   Kind of like Obama vs. Romney.   Where’s Ron Paul on the ballot, right?

The problem here is Egypt’s position on the timeline of revolution.    Egypt has gone through the 1st Stage of a government loosing its justification to govern, and now the 2nd Stage of a caretaker, or provisional government, is now coming to an end.   However, no accommodation has been created to correct the deficiencies that caused Egypt’s Spring Revolution, and that spells trouble.

Egypt is entering the 3rd Stage of Revolution, and its most violent.

Because now battle lines have been drawn over the dead carcass of a government that has failed.   The only thing that has changed is that it is a year later and the factions have become more polarized.

All ready, the 4th place candidate from the first round has protested the election as rigged, and there were a lot of irregularities on all sides.   But now followers of Mursi have pillaged and burned the Cairo election headquarters of Shaiq.   To think that the governing military junta, whose wealth is synonymous with the former Mubarak government they now run, are going to turn a blind eye if their man looses the election is unreasonable.

On the other hand, the Muslim Brotherhood is the majority in the Egyptian Congress, and to consider that they will accept the continued rule by the Mubarak/Military status quo is highly unlikely.   Especially, as the bankrupt condition of most of the country has not been addressed, which is what the revolution was all about, originally set off by the high price of food, due to the inflationary effects of the Federal Reserve Banks Quantitative Easing I.       

The point is, Egypt is about to go postal, joining Libya on its western border, Syria to the north, and Sudan, Somalia, and Yemen on the south and to the east.

The violence is expanding and will continue to do so.

With world markets focused on Europe, Greece, Spain (all the PIIGS), China, Iran, and the U.S., its still the unknown that reportedly keeps the worlds manipulators awake at night.   

I wonder how many of them think hard about Egypt at night?    That is a rhetorical question, because it’s just about zero, but I suspect that will be changing soon.

What is even more interesting as the wheels come off the Egyptian chariot, we have this same disparity in wealth and bankruptcy the world over everywhere.

Just as China’s politico/military rule is bankrupt saved only by its trading surpluses crafted from the pockets of Americans by a depressed Yuan, made possible by the enslavement of their population; the same holds true in America and Europe, where that same widening gap and creeping bankruptcy is represented not by the military, but by Wall Street.  The only difference between America, Europe, and the Chinese, is that the Chinese no longer question their enslavement, Europe is nearly placated, while  Americans (thank God), still retain the ability to rebel.   At least for now.

Beyond that, the condition is the same.

Egypt’s odds of slipping into the violence of the 3rd Stage of revolution within the next 30 days is over 90%.


Odds of the rest of the world following suit is over 50%.   Odds of the United States going over the high side is at 50%, and the world hinges upon what happens in the United States.

For if we remain on the road we are on, it is not a question of if, but of when.

Here is the situation in a nutshell.   The current governments of the world operate upon a tyranny based economic model, which is a model of eventual failure for two reasons.

First, because it requires the inefficiencies of coerced economic manipulation upon the general population by the faction that support the government to which the government owes its existence, and therefore must acquiesce.

Secondly, said faction consumes far more than it produces resulting in a spiraling deficiency of real wealth creation, which manifests itself by a growing fiscal gap between the wealthy faction elite and the masses.

The only alternative is a liberty based economic model, which is driven by its structured mechanization of governance that forces legislation and administration into deep and unhindered exposure to the nations citizens, through the Public Forum.

It is the transparency of the Public Forum that empowers the citizens to choose wisely and accurately those candidates placed before the electorate.   It is the definition of both liberty, and in its absence, tyranny.   For without this transparency the nation is rendered blind, elections become a rubber stamp, and the people no longer rule, but are ruled instead by the factions liberty is designed to replace.

It is only through this electoral transparency of the Public Forum that individual participants of the nation are permitted to conduct themselves in their own best interest.   It is only through this natural selection of self-interests, that collectively creates and provides the incentive to everyone to produce at maximum capacity, and is the only means by which to create surplus wealth for all.

America is, and always has been that pivot point upon which the survival of liberty has always depended and nothing has changed.   If America moves to liberty, so must the world.

However, if we Americans surrender to the factions that rule us all, we will have signed the death sentence of not only ourselves, but also the world.


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Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:29 | 2487470 Rahm
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Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:41 | 2487495 Manthong
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At least there is some good news on the business front..

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:02 | 2487527 t_kAyk
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Bullish, of course. 

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 16:38 | 2487712 TheGardener
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"It is the transparency of the Public Forum that empowers the citizens to choose wisely and accurately those candidates placed before the electorate"

PhD from some private agency endorsed before admittance ?

Sounds rather like a wannabe chilling himself before taking cover deep inside the trunk...

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 16:59 | 2487750 TheGardener
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For a real revolutionary ,according to Davila ,the true revolution is the next (best?) revolution. For this junior spy ,any our utterances
gets him employed with ZH credentials.

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 10:22 | 2488940 icanhasbailout
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You'd think it would be televised...

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 12:08 | 2489173 HungrySeagull
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We watched it on Satellite for hours and days as the fighting went on. I think one of the Fox Reporters vanished, probably got raped down there..

Regular TV did not speak of the fighting then.

If I am not mistaken, Egypt is technically at war with Israel and will be even more so if this new Majority is put into power.

The more things change, the easier it is the same.

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 22:17 | 2490602 jonjon831983
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Wow, this sorta ties into my rough investment thesis for being bullish on the defense industries.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 21:46 | 2488160 Nassim
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Why do Americans find it so difficult to spell and conjugate the verb "to lose"?

"To loosen" has quite a different meaning.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 22:20 | 2488236 New_Meat
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"Why do Americans find it so difficult to spell and conjugate the verb "to lose"?"

As we ponder this question and ask "Why?" five times to get closer to the root cause, we come up with the first answer:

1.  Department of (so-called) "Education" and their symbiotes the National "Education" Association.

2. ...




- Ned

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 12:10 | 2489177 HungrySeagull
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Our Education system in the USA is a money pit filled with shit.

No wonder our young People graduate unable to function on own. They need to be in a group to get anything done.

It enrages me to pay 100 dollars to the Schools, 9.00 for the Fire Protection, 6.50 for the Police and a miserly 4.00 for the streets along with 2 bucks for the Dog pound man.

And what do we get for our fine school district?

People who know enough to get the fuck out of here when they graduate and are free to do so, to save themselves.

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 03:30 | 2488648 The Credible Hulk
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Give him a break all ready.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:29 | 2487471 King_of_simpletons
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How many stages are there for a revolution ?

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:23 | 2487570 New American Re...
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Four (4) Stages to a Revolution   -  billf (Bill Fawell "New American Revolution: The Constitutional Overthrow of the United States Government")

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 13:51 | 2488239 New_Meat
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Who copied MAO, who copied...?

but the stages are not linear/monotonic progression; if the correlation of forces is disadvantageous, then it is advisable to revert to an earlier stage.

- Ned

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 17:01 | 2487755 The Gooch
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2.... One to hold the ladder and one to pull the...

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 23:03 | 2488334 Things that go bump
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No, no, youv'e got it all wrong.  It is one to hold the lightbulb and four to turn the ladder.  

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 13:35 | 2489354 HungrySeagull
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No no no...

It's a truck driver to deliver the electric powered lift, a trained operator to use it, plus a supervisor and a safety person.

Add in code enforcement plus the Additional Supervisors to make sure that the People are safe through out the entire process.

Throw in the Electric company pulling the Meter or disconnecting service drops for the work duration and street flaggers and you have a good old fashioned American throw the money at a simple problem to fix.

All of this will take approx half a day.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:31 | 2487476 Charles Wilson
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'N the women will suffer horrific atrocities.

I know!  Let's give 'em another Billion!  That'll learn 'em!



Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:51 | 2487627 Charles Wilson
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At this time, there are 5 negatives on my above post.  Why?

I realize I'm opening up to Snarkiness here but...

Is it the fact that I mentioned the terrorizing of women that does go on in Egypt?  The fact that I made fun of the absurdity of shoveling money to people who are in charge of terrorizing whoever they choose to brutalize?  ESPECIALLY WOMEN?!??


What is going on here?  "This is not the ZH site you are looking for..."



Sat, 06/02/2012 - 16:32 | 2487700 Motorhead
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I think it was the "another billion" that did it.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 18:55 | 2487919 francis_sawyer
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Charlie Wilson??? Seriously??? Charlie Wilson wants to know who "DROPPED A BOMB ON ME"... lol



Sat, 06/02/2012 - 21:42 | 2488154 Jena
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I haven't heard that in awhile but weirdly enough I think of it every now and then.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 19:16 | 2487945 TheGardener
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Poor girl, wrong site.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 20:45 | 2488052 potlatch
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i think it is not the point, it is the shabby construction of it in prose, that irks so.  I can let go a weak point; but do not cross me with being inarticulate.  I have standards, sir

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 21:34 | 2488137 Charles Wilson
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"I have standards, sir"

By all means, please let us know when you intend to display them.


Until then, 'bye everyone.



Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:31 | 2487479 Darkness
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time for another party in egypt. whose bringing the punch?

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:37 | 2487485 roadhazard
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I've got my own problems.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:37 | 2487486 knightowl77
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I agree with all you have stated except for the timeline...It may happen then it may not....


They have been able to kick this can far farther than I thought possible...

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:26 | 2487575 New American Re...
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I don't think you'll have to wait too long... each day increases its odds until you get to 100%, or 100 days.   billf

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:41 | 2487492 carbonmutant
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All future Egyptian leaders can now expect to recieve the same reward as Mubarak,

If they survive that long...

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:57 | 2487520 brewing
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on a long enough timeline...

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 17:27 | 2487800 TheGardener
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only the pyramids will survive..

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:17 | 2487556 DeadFred
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Mubarak's fate insures that all further Arab-spring like movements will meet even stronger opposition. The Chinese authorities tolerated Tienanmen Square up to the point that the protestors started to call for their overthrow and jailing. Once the movement was seen as a threat to their existance the tanks were called in. Who would be foolish enough to think it would turn out otherwise? If Mubarak were in Zurich now living in the luxury of his honestly stolen loot more governments might have changed. Never put an animal in a position of no escape unless you want their fangs to be bared.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:44 | 2487612 Kayman
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Easing a murdering thug into luxurious retirement is always a difficult dilemma.  Would you be OK with Joe or Adolf happily paddling in a pool in Vegas ?

And I would like to remind you once again, that Ginger Rogers danced every step that you did- only backwards and in high heels.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 16:37 | 2487710 Bubble
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Maybe he's not happy with Dubya and Blair being able to either. What if you gave him an advisory roll with JPM? Then it's not really retirement...

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 18:18 | 2487869 TBT or not TBT
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Chile did it with Pinochet, and has done very very well thanks to that bad apple ending the Allende nonsense brutally.

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 00:07 | 2488447 dolce vita
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if you kick tiger in the ass ,you better be prepared to deal with its teeth

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:40 | 2487494 onlooker
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The US, UK, and UN all have limited capabilities at this time. With less than half a dozen countries in the turmoil of change in MENA, there is one thought that concerns me.


Is the US content to see disruption for the lesser purpose of seeing Iran fall.


Is a more important purpose one that seeks to keep the fighters occupied and out of Saudi.


Saudi has a King. Saudi has high unemployment. Saudi has some repressive characteristics. Saudi has loot worth the effort for several factions.


If Saudi comes under siege, our present situation will become the “good old days”.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:07 | 2487536 jekyll island
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Good thing the US has all that natural gas. 

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 17:40 | 2487820 TheGardener
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Good thing the US kept her natural ability to get to resources.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 16:32 | 2487667 Fuzzyduck
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been living in Saudi the last 5 years. In the last year a lot of the security surrounding western compounds has been removed. There is a huge amount of infra-structual spending going on at the moment, building new universities for women, economic cities, roads, houses etc. You almost get the impression that the Arab spring has scared the royals here that they are lavishly splashing the cash to try and appease the masses. There also a huge amount of negative rhetoric against Syria and Iran in the local newspapers. It going to be interesting to see what happens in Egypt & Syria in the next 6 months and the impact it has on this part of the world particularly in light of the sunni versus shia conflicts that are bubbling below the surface waiting for the right spark to ignite all out conflict. Bahrain in my opinion is the straw that might break the camel's back? 

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:50 | 2487510 Satan
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I was enjoying your article right up to the point you started giving odds...

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 20:19 | 2488022 tankster
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Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:59 | 2487523 Convolved Man
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My bets are tending toward the faction ordering hunter-killer drones.

Are they in country yet?

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 18:16 | 2487864 TBT or not TBT
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Those are for precision strikes.    A good part of the egyptian population are the problem, not just some individuals.   It has become a dead-end civilisation, unable to feed itself, unable to make anything anyone outside the country wants to buy, left begging for "loans" from a developed world that itself needs loans.  The result could well be biblical stuff, not merely medeivel.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 21:53 | 2488175 Ookspay
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Yeeep, Couple all of that with a bass ackwards religion created by a mass murdering mysogenistic pedophile and you got one hell of a pile of steaming human dung!

"Mutilate the womens clitoris', Hang the gays, behead the infidels".  Ahhh the glorious religion of pieces...

Pull out of all of the Middle East NOW! Let them get back to culling their herd! Fuck 'em!

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:12 | 2487544 lolmao500
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Bernanke, killing people indirectly... maybe in the end we'll be able to charge him as war criminal for his QE program...

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:27 | 2487546 slewie the pi-rat
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didya miss somthin, bill? Egypt's Mubarak Gets Life Imprisonment in Historic Trial

still, tyler's warnings of the thermidorian aspect are also highlighted here, and rightly so

this from thursday, 5.31.12 (also from theTripoliPost) and reminds us, as doesBillF, here,  that there is many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip...:

Egypt Lifts 30-Year-Old State of Emergency Egypt's ruling military council, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) declared on Thursday it has lifted the three-decade state of emergency. After its last renewal expired, the SCAF pledged to continue to provide security to Egypt ahead of a power transfer to a civilian-led government in late June
me again>>america is up to its neck in noAfrica, and although many here in the US have already surrendered thru sheeplike sleep and acceptance of the propaganda and the seemingly-endless accounts of what's happenin which actually make no fuking sense, whatsoever, such as prez0 Vs mittens for ezample, just offhand
or: invading iran so it won't nuke us;  bailing out the limited liability corporations;  supporting the EU banks and sovereigns with our weThePeople debt;  allowing NAT0 to command US forces in the god-blessed efforts to kill the moQ by protecting, er, killing civilians...and so on and so forth, and scooby dooby dooby...
thank you, bill!  you didn't write a book, but you did introduce/re-introduce some magnificent themes of our time, place, and people here for those who are prepared to catch them
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:22 | 2487567 q99x2
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Hey that's no fair. When does ours start. When do we get to arrest the banksters and treasonous politicians. I'm going to be too old to fight if this goes on much longer.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 20:23 | 2488027 Pure Evil
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The only problem with arresting banksters and treasonous politicians is that it creates a vacuum which only serves to suck in newer and better banksters and treasonous politicians.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:28 | 2487579 Arnold Ziffel
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The BBC showed on TV the other night that the NATO/Sarkozy backed 'rebels' who overthrew Gadhaffi are now torturing their prisoners. Amnesty Int'l confirms:

I hope Egypt is not next.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:29 | 2487581 FieldingMellish
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What a load of speculative tripe.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:32 | 2487589 Kayman
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The elephant in the room is Egyptian Christians.  What better uniter than murdering "infidels" and stealing their property in the name of the big, angry guy in the sky.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 17:33 | 2487723 slewie the pi-rat
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were it not so, k_man...

Salafist Leaders Celebrate Death of Coptic Pope in Egypt ...  [}5/16/2012 Salafist Leaders Celebrate Death of Coptic Pope in Egypt Open contempt for head of church of more than 40 years bodes ill for Christians. By...{] their coptic shepherd was struck, and the sheep are scattered and killed all the day long?


NOW we begin too see more clearly that the humanRights litanies and buulshitski being exported under UN auspices by fascist militarist fiat neo-con neo-colonialism ain't the realDeal, never has been, and NEVER will be (see Bill0'Rights), but just what we call:  propagananda, BiCheZ!

however, maybe the falangistSala-man-ders just need the votes?
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:40 | 2487603 percolator
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The author stated "while Americans (thank God), still retain the ability to rebel." 

And said the following "However, if we Americans surrender to the factions that rule us all, we will have signed the death sentence of not only ourselves, but also the world."

This guy is fucking clueless about the USA.  Americans are the most lazy passive fuckers on the planet which is proved by the fact they didn't rebel against the bailouts, fraud and corruption that along with the government and bankers raping them on a daily basis.

Surrender?  Americans did that a long time ago!


Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:56 | 2487640 max2205
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Wait and reconsider when SSI goes away, cell phones , stamps, disability ect.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 16:49 | 2487735 Itgoestoeleven
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my list: Cable TV, Beer and air conditioning.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 18:27 | 2487883 TBT or not TBT
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Extremely poor egyptians list TODAY:  bread/flour, cooking fuel.    Half of egyptians fit this description.    They are also stark raving bonkers.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 20:33 | 2488037 Taint Boil
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Extremely poor egyptians list TODAY:  bread/flour ..........

Oh yeah,   I give you: The Bread Helmet Guy

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:42 | 2487607 viator
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How many divisions does the Muslim Brotherhood have?

Also Egypt is fast running out of Eqyptian pounds, dollars, euros and gold bars. Not so good when you import 40% of your caloric intake.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:54 | 2487635 FieldingMellish
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Divisions of what? They are not a military force.

Egyptian reserves are starting to rise:

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 16:40 | 2487716 Matt
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I don't think the previous poster understands how asymmetrical warfare works. One side has hundreds of tanks and other expensive equipment, along with a large military, and the other side blows them up with inexpensive IEDs.

If they had EBT cards, they could have avoided this whole mess. At least for a while.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 17:34 | 2487811 FieldingMellish
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It makes little difference as the MB is more Salvation Army than US Army. 

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:52 | 2487631 max2205
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There's at least 530 elites in the USA nervous they all could see the same fate as Mubarck. Too fucking bad!

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 16:38 | 2487669 Zodiac
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Who is the author, Bill F?  Why couldn't he give his full name?  What is he hiding?  While I agree with many of the points he is making, I want to put it in context of who he is, who he represents, and inferred positions.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 16:45 | 2487727 percolator
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It doesn't matter who Bill F is, the content is all that matters. 

Anonymous speech has a long and storied history in the United States. Used most famously by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and John Jay (aka publius) to write the Federalist Papers.

You do know Tyler Durden is a pseudonym for the contributors here at Zero Hedge?

You should probably read Zero Hedge's manifesto

our method: pseudonymous speech...

anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. it thus exemplifies the purpose behind the bill of rights, and of the first amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation-- and their ideas from suppression-- at the hand of an intolerant society.


Sat, 06/02/2012 - 18:48 | 2487914 jekah
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It also explains why all Tyler Durden posts are not created equal.

Still, can't spend the day without checking the site out at least two or three times :)

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 16:32 | 2487703 dolly madison
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It is the transparency of the Public Forum that empowers the citizens to choose wisely and accurately those candidates placed before the electorate.

I think we need the citizens to be able to strike down what the government does, not just vote on representatives. 

Besides that I love the article.  I also thought Egypt was bound for revolution when I saw who their 2 candidates are.  I also think the world hinges upon what we do here in the US.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 16:44 | 2487724 YHC-FTSE
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Funny thing about America and the World. The World has had enough of this abusive and violent relationship based on lies, thieving, and delusions of grandeur, and wants a divorce. The World wants a restraining order and custody of the children, Freedom and Liberty, so that they may be able to grow without America's perverted strangling influence on their nature. 


Seriously, the saddest part of this article is the author's delusional belief that America has any positive influences in a world that knows its history of exploitation and corruption all too well. To be fair to America, all revolutions seem to end with corrupt pigs at the trough, no different from the previous corrupt pigs at the trough. That's the nature of Animal Farm, I guess. 

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 18:31 | 2487887 TBT or not TBT
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Riiiight, the "world" wants custody of "Freedom" and "Liberty", its children presumably.    The organisation of the islamic conference, the biggest voting block in the UN assembly, disagrees entirely.   Egypt is a major player, even more so now that the islamonutters are calling the shots.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 20:59 | 2488070 YHC-FTSE
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I'll bite. What's the difference between "Islamonutters", and any other organized, fundamentalist religious nutjobs like the zionist-christian right with a penchance for fatalism which both parties (Republican party the most, I think) pander to at every opportunity? None at all, imo, except perhaps the latter have a much more realistic chance to destroy themselves and the world. As for the UN assembly, when was the last time the general assembly had ANY influence on security issues? The answer is NEVER. It's the security council that decides the main policies of the UN which is why Israel gets away with anything it wants, including nuclear weapons, invasions, the longest military occupation in modern history, and contraventions of UN resolutions without even a little slap on the hand.

I don't see any Islamonutters in the IMF, the UN security council, or the WB, do you? The decision processes of those in power have led directly to the economic/political world as it is today, so it would be insane to blame anyone/groups who had no influence on making those decisions. Being afraid of Egypt's future role in geopolitics, or the potential influence of Islamonutters in its internal politics is extremely foolish imo, when we already have much more dangerous, proven and real zionist-christian fundamentalists in our own countries diminishing our freedoms, taxing us to death, preparing for more spurious wars, and wrecking our economies while keeping themselves safe and wealthy beyond reckoning. 

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 21:39 | 2488145 Ookspay
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Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 22:22 | 2488244 YHC-FTSE
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It's cheap and easy to find hateful texts in the Tanakh, the Qu'ran, the Talmud, the New/Old Testament of the Bible, and the what-have-you. That's why fundamentalist religious people are nuts, and I see you're no exception. 

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 23:01 | 2488332 Ookspay
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Wake up, Dummy... Islam is evil, But I do not call for it's destruction. I have spent many nights in Islamic countries and seen it's wickedness first hand. The very word Islam means "submission"! Your self loathing is sad but understandable.

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 08:52 | 2488844 Tompooz
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Gawd..another Likud-sponsored disciple of Geert Wilders.

Yeah, great idea..start a religious war.

Cui bono??

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 09:40 | 2488875 Ookspay
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Actually, I have been against every US action in the middle east since the 70's.  If the enviro wacko's would let us get our own oil and resources we would have absolutely no reason to even be there. Oh and by the way Tommy Poo, the religious war was started 1500 years ago by the mohammadens, cui bono, indeed.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 11:03 | 2491962 Tompooz
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Many  centuries of peace have also reigned since those first wars of conquest of Islam.

Many other events have also shaped our history since the days of the caliphate. The Mongols, the colonial empires.

What I'm saying is that it is a singularly bad idea to attack other peoples' religious beliefs and to paint them as evil.

You can hold such a conviction  privately, but it  is a hallmark of civilized tolerance not to utter such publicly.

Live and let live is also a recipe for peace.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 19:00 | 2493922 Ookspay
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Islam is responsible for unspeakable pain and suffering in so many places... These atrocities are not done by a single madman, they are done in the name of their God Allah and are sanctioned by their clerics. The very edicts of their religion call for the death of homosexuals and non-believers. Many muslims remove the clitoris from their daughters at birth, lest they enjoy sex. If a women is raped she must have 4 male witness's or no conviction.

No other religion believes, espouses or enforces such horrendous acts. You can call it what you want, I call Islam "evil".

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 09:33 | 2488864 DanDaley
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"Wake up, Dummy... Islam is evil,..."

Well said.  These people who equate Christianity and Islam are naive in the extreme.  They have been assaulted so long by the PC-multiculturalism spewed out by the progressive-socialist-fascist educational complex, that they cannot tell friend from foe...which is exactly as the smiley-faced fascists (George Carlin's term) want it.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 22:01 | 2488192 Ookspay
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You are seriously misguided and dangerously naive.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 16:46 | 2487728 RingToneDeaf
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Too many diverse factors (education systematic failure, family breakdown, deindustrialization, government corruption, bank institutional rot, international poverty, social unreast due to Fed QE activities) are gathering momentum.

The US deserves what is coming. There is no free lunch.

We are all in one big terlet now, and the big flush is coming.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 18:34 | 2487894 TBT or not TBT
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Au contraire, the US will continue to be the best place on the planet to be, thanks to rule of law, a diverse economy, locally available energy resources, two big oceans on each side, and 13 aircraft carrier battle groups, lots of SLBMs, attack subs, unmatched air force, unmatched C-cubed-I.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 17:22 | 2487788 Negro Primero
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There's some action going on in CBC-TV on Ustream:

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 19:11 | 2487939 ddtuttle
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Revolutions come in two parts: everybody gets pissed and knocks down the old regime.  Then they install a new government that will work on people's behalf.  That didn't happen in Egypt.  They got rid of the old regime, but seemingly have no vaible alternative.  A repressive miliary dictatorship is the only solution.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 19:34 | 2487971 divide_by_zero
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In both cases, the Progressives(sponsored by the usual cartel suspects) got the candidates they wanted


The protagonists, Ahmed Shaiq (former PM for Mubarak and candidate of the military) vs. Mohammed Mursi (Muslim Brotherhood), pits two candidates most of the population really doesn’t want in the first place.   Kind of like Obama vs. Romney.

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 16:39 | 2487980 Overdrawn
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When they voted the American backed Muslim Brotherhood in power I realised nothing has or will change.  More like a reorganisation of Government than a revolution.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 20:51 | 2488061 potlatch
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I am not seeing it at all.  It is in no one's interest for this to explode, and if the MB wins (which it shall) that at least buys the global ponzi another 6-12 months.  You do realize, there is always a psychomagenetic "hope glow" after any election? Before the people rise back to the same exact state of anger if nothing has improved.


So, at least project this out till 2013.  Come on ZH.

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 22:27 | 2488259 New_Meat
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bbbbbut we had it on high-dungeon authority from such luminaries as our own GW and HRC and Susan Rice and ... that this was a peaceful "Arab Spring" democratic transition.  The Arabs were going to flower into a great civilization and recreate all of the science and algebra and other progress that made the earlier Caliphate such a flower of civilization.

Really, GW said so, you can look it up.

- Ned

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 22:43 | 2488293 americanspirit
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Wasn't all this crap about Egypt yesterday. I mean, who cares about what is actually happening there? We've sold enough Chevy Volts to ensure our future wellbeing, and everybody agrees that it's party time, so what's the big deal. How could anything that happens in Egypt possibly have any impact on our good life in the USA? Get a life you swarthy Nile dwellers - you obviously don't have enough access to ATMs.

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 01:46 | 2488545 Bansters-in-my-...
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"Americans still maintain the ability to rebel"......


Too funny.

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 02:56 | 2488621 zebrasquid
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They need to bring back the Brits.

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 00:53 | 2488641 BlackholeDivestment
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America is The Great Wal Mart of China and The Suicide Vampire Squid, and that is not going to ''change'' 'til Heaven heats Earth over in short order. a link of someone other than a Ron Paul, who just delivers the straight goods without the poetry. Lol, love to see it.

Stand fast, with the Holy Spirit and sustaining Mercy risen in agreement with our Father in Christ, it does not matter if you are not a Christian, the principle is in agreement with the host and image of Love. Do no harm. Fear not, The Truth is not a choice ...bitchez. 

Carry on, your friend. 

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 08:03 | 2488816 Monedas
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Sham Mubarak trial !    I told you Mubarak was faking it....go back and check my posts !        Military intervention for Syrian rebels if they promise to leave Israel deal !        "He (Barack Obama) is what my son would look like....if I had f-cked an Irish-American "Hose Monster" slut on the prowl in Kenya !"....Charles Taylor                Monedas       1929       Comedy Jihad Sometimes I Make Shit Up....You decide !      I know the slutty workings of leftist minds better than they themselves do !     Fascism is Socialism !

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 11:37 | 2489098 diesheepledie
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When is mankind going to come to the realization that democracy is a giant FAIL. And the only system that works is an all powerful benevolent monarch. Out in the open with all the regalia, jeweled crowns, and all law by royal decree. Nothing to hide behind; no make believe 2 party system, no banksters slinking around in the shadows bribing their little puppets; only one person for the peasants to rise up against and behead when things fuck up.  

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 17:52 | 2489988 daxtonbrown
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The Left has been running a civil war for decades. It is over the debt slavery of the producers to prop up a failed welfare state.

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