Guest Post: Energy Independence - The Big Lie

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Mon, 11/14/2011 - 13:59 | 1876105 G_T_A_44
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Jim- You forgot the 5th C - CORRUPTION!

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:17 | 1876153 eureka
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Everybody forgot "the PEOPLE" - i.e. citizens; if US were really at war ("on terror") wouldn't its citizens carpool to conserve energy - and do other such civic and national minded things and minute sacrifices and pull together etc etc etc ????

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 15:08 | 1876337 Fukushima Sam
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Jim, I like a lot of your articles, but you must be a fucking idiot to say that "green energy Nazis despise... nuclear energy" with what seems to be a dismissive tone.

Don't you understand that most nuclear power plants will melt down within 48 hours of losing grid power?

Are you not paying attention to what has happened at Fukushima?

Don't you know that a large solar storm could cause an EMP that would take out all of our electronics?  Causing these nuclear plants worldwide to then melt down?  This would be a global extinction event!

What the fuck, Jim?  Perhaps you are still asleep after all.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 15:51 | 1876556 derek_vineyard
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Unfortunately, life is survival of the fittest and we in the United States will have to use extreme force at some point to feed this addiction to oil.  Thats just the way it is.....we can't balance a budget, how the fuck can congress fast track and prioritize alternative energy sources as our #1 concern and then have the balls to pass and then enforce legislation to change to nat gas or nuke or other. We have proved we will kill for oil on small scale.....thus soon we will be forced to kill for oil on a much larger scale. law of nature.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 17:08 | 1876980 gmj
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Actually, the reverse is happening.  There are now plans to ship millions of tons of US coal to China.  They have our jobs and our money, and now they will have our fossil fuels.  This nation is being stripped bare of everything that has any value.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 17:13 | 1876998 trav7777
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I hate otherwise decent articles where people start dividing reserves by consumption.

The US *does not* have 3 years worth of oil left.  We have 8 hours per day of oil.  And declining.

Oil production is about RATE of consumption versus RATE of production, not about consumption versus reserves.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 18:14 | 1877210 CPL
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Bingo...it's weird how that gets omitted anytime I read one of these articles.

 

I suppose you have to wind up your reader to buy a book though.

 

I always love how the US population doesn't grow either.  Like people will stop fucking for 30 years.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:20 | 1877542 mophead
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Question: What is Energy Independence?

Answer: When money printing alone does not create the desired amount of price inflation required to lower the standard of living for most Americans.

Question: What is Global Warming?

Answer: When money printing alone does not create the desired amount of price inflation required to lower the standard of living for most Americans.

Question: What is a Nuclear Disaster?

Answer: When money printing alone does not create the desired amount of price inflation required to lower the standard of living for most Americans.

Question: What is a Corn Subsidy?

Answer: When money printing alone does not create the desired amount of price inflation required to lower the standard of living for most Americans.

Question: What is the FDA/Milk Regulation?

Answer: When money printing alone does not create the desired amount of price inflation required to lower the standard of living for most Americans.

Question: What are water quotas as they apply to California?

Answer: When money printing alone does not create the desired amount of price inflation required to lower the standard of living for most Americans.

Question: What are Middle Eastern wars?

Answer: When money printing alone does not create the desired amount of price inflation required to lower the standard of living for most Americans.

Question: What is Government Housing Support?

Answer: When money printing alone does not create the desired amount of price inflation required to lower the standard of living for most Americans.

Question: What are newer building codes about, such as requiring fire sprinkler systems, etc?

Answer: When money printing alone does not create the desired amount of price inflation required to lower the standard of living for most Americans.

Question: What is bacteria contamination is fruits and vegetables, and other food products?

Answer: When money printing alone does not create the desired amount of price inflation required to lower the standard of living for most Americans.

Question: What is the criminalization of garage sales in some parts of the US about?

Answer: When money printing alone does not create the desired amount of price inflation required to lower the standard of living for most Americans.

 

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 16:16 | 1880047 DaveyJones
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stop fucking for thirty years? I'll walk.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 16:28 | 1876778 Abitdodgie
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Fuku Sam ,you don,t need to worry about the power plants after an EMP because most of the population will be dead within 1 hour of an EMP , why you ask well the obummer admin do not think it is important to take our ICBN,s of auto fire after sensing a high alt EMP ( they will think the USA came under attack and auto fire and nobody can override them at the moment) . So if you do not have your own nuclear bunker you can see Global thermo Nuclear war

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:47 | 1877433 Fedophile
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A solar storm induced EMP would kill no one. Even a nuclear blast induced EMP would do no physical damage.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 13:49 | 1879597 I did it by Occident
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except of course for the mass starvations due to all our modern machinery stop working, and time to replace many parts of the grid.  Other than, no problem. :)

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 18:47 | 1877282 doggings
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of course not, dont be stupid.  me myself mine. 

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:18 | 1876156 NotApplicable
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You spelled it wrong. It's C-O-L-L-E-C-T-I-V-I-S-M.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:23 | 1876175 duo
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Is there a word for ignorance that begins with a "c"?

Like the lady in front of me in Srpouts yesterday who drove there in an SUV to buy one onion, one lemon, and one mushroom.  $2.64!  Gasoline is way too cheap.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:36 | 1876219 NotApplicable
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So, you really think there's a higher gas price that would stop her?

Oh, the answer to your question? Clueless.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 17:42 | 1877104 pvzh
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Yes, it will. At some price point, the lady will not be able to afford fill up at all, so there will be no driving even for truckload of mushrooms / onions.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:45 | 1877815 Zero Govt
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presumably she paid for het petrol so to my mind, if not the intrusive peanut brains of others, she can do what the fuk she likes wih her petrol

..as for these peanuts wanting to put the price of petrol up so she can't shop for her onion, we have the strong whiff of suicide socialists in the house ...why don't you lefties fuk off and top yourselves like your Brothers are doing to every country they run into the sewer bankrupt

...shame there's no 'social justice' for insolvent socialists ...if we sliced and diced the turds maybe the next generation of Lennon loons would think twice about fuking everything up (all these inept human tragedies are capable of)

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 22:59 | 1877990 pvzh
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Do not worry. No "meddling-socialist interference" is necessary. Mother nature through lowering EROI will raise gasoline prices sky-high, so in 20-30 years having a car will be akin having private jet now. Unless, of course miracle happens, and we will find a new source of cheap and abundant energy in 5 years tops.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:12 | 1878190 tmosley
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You have literally no idea what you are talking about.  With WWII era technology, you can build a wood gassifier that will move your car even if gas is $1000 a gallon, using anything that burns.  Sure, it is inconvenient and expensive (compared to today), but it is a solid lid on gas prices.  Never mind newer technologies like bio diesel, or high capacity electric.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 08:57 | 1878673 Flakmeister
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Do a computation of how long the forests in the US last at current consumptions rates...

You really think the earth is infinite and everything scalable, don't you....

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 16:19 | 1880052 DaveyJones
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I've always wanted to live on Easter Island 

http://gregor.us/ 

Flak do you know / read this guy?

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 17:55 | 1880399 Flakmeister
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Yes, Gregor is very sharp...

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 22:51 | 1881330 pvzh
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Please do not imply about what I have or have not idea about. I do know about wood gasification technology. The problem is we have even less wood for that. Current uses of wood already consume forest at much faster rate that they are regrow. If you add use of wood for transportation, our forest will go poof.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:26 | 1876187 vast-dom
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The 5th C is really the 1st C.

 

..................And.............

 

 

NO IRAN CONFLICT: PRICE OF A BARREL OF BRENT OIL 2011 – $124.00


  IRAN CONFLICT: PRICE OF A BARREL OF BRENT OIL 2011 – $134.00+


 

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 18:04 | 1877168 AGuy
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Like much higher prices than you suggest:

1. Between Israel and Iran is Sudia Arabia, Kwuait,  and Iraq. No doubt substantial collateral will occur affecting oil exports from the region.

2. I am pretty sure Iran already has a couple nukes already, acquired from former Soviet Republic states after the fall of the Soviet union. All it would take is one nuke to shutdown the ME exports for a significant period.

 

I think we will see $160-$200 before the global economy crashes (causing Oil prices to fall considerably).

Major war is comming to the Middle East. The whole regions is rapidly becoming severely destabilished with the sweep of the Arab spring. Nations falling to the Arab spring become more polarized and violent.  At the top of the list is Pakastan, which is very unstable, has a significant stockpile of Nukes, and numerious terriorist organisations, and is already engage in warm war with India.

 

Currently we are stuck on a production plateau, as global convential oil prodution falls by about 4%, and held in check by new unconventional production. This isn't sustainable resulting in significant production declines in a few years (perhaps as soon as next year). Once global production starts declining, it will be impossible to maintain BAU. Once global production is recognized in permanent decline, most exporters will cut back exports in order to husband remaining reserves that further cut global production.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 18:38 | 1877270 richard in norway
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good point, also the militatry will start stockpiling  oil or sieze oilfeilds. no oil no military power. when resorces becomr scarce they are always allocated to the military first

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:43 | 1876229 SRSrocco
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THE US SUBURBAN ECONOMY WAS BUILT ON A 25-30/1 EROI

Another factor coming down on the US Suburban Economy is the falling EROI (energy returned on invested) of oil & gas.  Currently the USA Oil & Gas EROI is 9-10/1 and the Global EROI is between 15-16/1 (estimated).  Anytime the Energy CEO's tout how Shale Oil will be the savior, they forget to realize that the EROI of Shale Oil is 4-5/1 or five to six times less the EROI was in building the great US Suburban Economy.  The US Economy was built and based on cheap oil with an EROI of 25/1 or greater.

The US suffers from over 250,000 water main breaks a year.  That number will rise exponentially when the dollar finally crashes.  The US infrastructure is falling apart while money is being siphoned into bailing out banks, mortgages and other countries.

Peak Oil is here.  On top of that we have a falling EROI and declining net exports....a disaster for our Car-Crude-Credit-Consumption economy.  This will all be described in my future article of the collapse of the US Empire.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:06 | 1876107 bigdumbnugly
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c'mon aleady!

can't keep all these big lies straight.

 

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 15:07 | 1876109 r101958
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Excellent article! I recommend Chris Martenson's book 'Crash Course' to shed even more light on this important subject.

Edit:

Please feel free to read at least the first section of the following article which also came out today:

http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/selling-oil-illusion-american-style/6...

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 16:00 | 1876601 css1971
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Or follow the Oil Drum.

http://www.theoildrum.com/

And Energy Bulletin:

http://www.energybulletin.net/

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 17:14 | 1877006 r101958
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Or both!

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 18:17 | 1877220 CPL
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Or something worth the money if you are doing PM's and energy.

 

The northern miner.  Expensive but worth the subscription.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:01 | 1876111 Racer
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War for oil, yes that was obvious years ago when dreadful regimes were ignored yet those countries with oil were portrayed as huge threats to the US people

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:02 | 1876113 maxw3st
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Great article. Two points. The whole "peak oil" argument is a sham. Billions of barrels of oil are still being discovered every year. Alternative energy does not need subsidies to be cost effective. It just needs the government to stop heavily subsidizing the oil industry.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:15 | 1876150 samsara
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Ya,  they are drilling 8,000 deep water then another 5,000 feet of rock in the GOM for the fun of it. 

If there was a 'Big' field just outside of Houston,  do you really think they would be drilling 10,000 feet.  When their profits could be astronomically higher?

Think about it folks.  Geeze

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:21 | 1876171 Nothing To See Here
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Geez indeed. They are not drilling in shallow waters because the green movement has politicians in their pockets and there are now laws preventing shallow water drilling. Duh.

Al Gore meet Deepwater Horizon, Deepwater Horizon meet Al Gore.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:24 | 1876180 WonderDawg
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Fucking please. Do you really think the "green movement" has more money to pay politicians than the oil companies? Duh.

 

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:30 | 1876198 Nothing To See Here
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The green movement has the votes of the sheeple. It is the only thing which overrides money with politicians.

And to answer your question, yes I do think that. Do your research.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:40 | 1876233 WonderDawg
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I've done a lot of research, thanks. If you think the TPTB give a fuck about the votes of the people (I can't stand the term "sheeple") you are hopelessly naive. TPTB are going to do whatever is in their best interests and produces the most profit TODAY. They don't give a fuck about tomorrow, and they don't give a fuck about the green movement, and they don't give a fuck about you. Research that.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:47 | 1876255 Nothing To See Here
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You're on the good track but you need to keep thinking. I have come to realize that TPTB don't give a fuck about profit or oil either. Their only concern is power. The IPCC and its offspring, the green movement, are one of their tools to condition "people" into a collectivist and slave thinking.

Ever met a free-market environmentalist? Think about that, then I'll hear your apology.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:50 | 1876267 WonderDawg
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You're stuck, man. Here's the only thing you need to know: oil is power. Think about that, and I don't need an apology.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 15:06 | 1876327 Nothing To See Here
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Yes, that is where you are stuck, equating oil with power. Your failure to differentiate between them is your failure to make inroads in seeing the big picture.

TPTB were not born in an automobile. Just sayin'.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 15:39 | 1876491 Flakmeister
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I suggest you take a gander at the following two articles

On the GOM

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/8557

On NA

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/8597

Here is the USGS update on the NPRA (if you do not know what the NPRA is, simply STFU)

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2622

In the words of Rick Perry...  oops....

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Educate yourself and get back to us...

 

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 17:17 | 1877018 trav7777
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ROTFL@NPRA.  What a debacle

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 17:25 | 1877041 fuu
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 17:16 | 1877014 trav7777
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dude, you are a fucking idiot

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 16:41 | 1880134 DaveyJones
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you understand the irony of your claim that oil is not power don't you?

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 15:02 | 1876305 Broken_Trades
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NTSH:

You actually believe the green movement in the USA has somehow convinced all the other oil companies, third world countries (looking for cheap energy to replicate the wealth of the west), and investors (who like to make money), competing world powers like Russia and China (who need energy to fuel their war machines) to drill stupid expensive wells, that need massive capital investments, take huge risks with experienced people and equipment just because??

Sounds totally plausible, Dude.  You probably believe in abiotic oil coming from the center of the Earth too.  Tonnes of rock solid evidence to support that theory LOL

Go read a book.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 15:09 | 1876340 Nothing To See Here
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Arent they all doing the same for diamonds, iron, copper, uranium and so on? What is your book recommendation which I should read where they say that these ressources are left under the ground, unlike oil?

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