Guest Post: Euro Tarp - Why It Will Be A Screaming Failure

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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:33 | 1716732 jdelano
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Why is ZH even lending credibility to this "plan" as though it hasn't already been debunked? See the telegraph's finance section

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:45 | 1716765 bluengolden
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Perhaps BC it was the latest dose of hopium administered over the last two days to prop up otherwise death-spiraling markets?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:51 | 1716782 Buckaroo Banzai
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In the immortal words of admiral ackbar, "it's a TARP!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddAi8FF3F4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:58 | 1716799 bluengolden
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If Tyler weren't posting this, quoth the retrospectives: "TD-420, why aren't you at your post?"

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:10 | 1716825 jdelano
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Yes yes-- granted. My point was, might have been worthwhile to mention that the Germans are openly mocking the "plan" as a ridiculous rumor as not doing so perpetuates the notion that liesman didn't just concoct this nonsense out of his ass to goose the market. Got puts on that will suffer if people continue to assume there's a scrap of validity buried somewhere in this dungpile. No offense to the tylers.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:30 | 1716884 Spirit Of Truth
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The truth is authorities are just changing the tune in their endless charade of musical chairs to keep the global banksters' Ponzi-scheme afloat.  Here's the newest song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOpErJWSIg0

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:43 | 1716928 Libertarians fo...
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Legarde, Trichet, Merkel, Bernanke, Geithner, et al. are all crafting a European version of TARP - le TARP Royale - which will temporarily re-capitalize the Eurozone and delay the inevitable implosion of the Euro by several years, just as the original TARP delayed the insolvency of American banks. Despite what you hear from the doom and gloom cultists, the original TARP was a monster success, if only temporary.  Quite impressively, it yanked the financial system from the abyss and delayed the inevitable reset indefinitely. The problem with TARP is that it worked!  

So now the Europeans will give it a go.  Just as soon as le TARP Royale is crafted (October), Greek bonds will be allowed to blow up in a gigantic, controlled, sovereign toilet flush (November).  A roiling miasma of low-grade financial flatulence will hang over the EuroZone, pushing them well into recession territory as a massive deflationary buzz saw cuts across Europe indiscriminately.   

Rest assured, though, thanks to le TARP Royale, the euro-banks will be encased with layers and layers of bubble wrap and a thick coating of marshmallow creame - metaphorically speaking, of course. As always, the story for the working class will be a different one, as they'll see significant haircuts to their pensions and retirement accounts.  But the plutocrats and bankers who control the puppet strings don't care about that.    

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:54 | 1716952 jdelano
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You sir, have a problem of ethnocentricity, meaning you can't conceive that there are people in the world who don't think like Americans. E Germans for example, having experienced first hand the horrors of hyperinflation, are not so blasé about printing/leveraging as you might think. Or, to put it another way, you're just wrong. Euro tarp DOA.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:13 | 1717004 Libertarians fo...
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You, sir, have a problem with coherence.  I am perfectly capable of understanding that Europeans don't think like Americans.  First of all, you folks don't believe in deodorant; we do.  Secondly, you folks like your women hairy; we don't.  

But everyone likes their banks well capitalized, and that has nothing to do with nationality.  There are exceptions, of course, such as those who enjoy watching the world burn.  Fortunately, though, the vast majority of the world doesn't listen to these carnival barkers.  

You cannot compare the situation in Weimar (with their debts denominated in foreign currencies) with the situation today, and any European who conflates the two is, most likely, suffering from the effects of acute ignorance.  If hyperinflation was solely a function of money printing, the USD would have imploded, and the USD denominated commodity markets would have gone parabolic.  Instead, after QE1, QE2, and now in the middle of QE2.5, we find USD denominated assets mostly flat for the year and within a narrow range over the past 2 years.  Except gold.  But everyone is cuckoo for cocoa puffs with gold right now.  That's another story. 

 

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:25 | 1717042 FinalCollapse
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Unlike Germans we believe that shower is better than deodorant. However continue the use of dedorants, as long as you  stay away. As for women - when it was the last time, Miss Germany won the world title?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:35 | 1717068 NumberNone
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Germany calls Timmy stupid..."I don't understand how anyone in the European Commission can have such a stupid idea. The result would be to endanger the AAA sovereign debt ratings of other member states. It makes no sense," he said. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8793010/Germany-slams...

 

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:53 | 1717116 jeff montanye
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some americans like hairy women a lot.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:01 | 1717267 snowball777
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Leave Rachel Maddow out of this.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:14 | 1717386 crazyjsmith
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We put hairy women in charge of departments that enforce public groping

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 07:09 | 1717782 Dingleberry
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I saw a porno call "Dirty Hairy"....it was both.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:27 | 1717401 Mr. White
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That quote from Schauble is great -- he's a real hardass. He'll defend German capital to the bitter end. I'd like to hear what he says about Timmy in private.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:38 | 1717416 walküre
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Kleines Timmilein.. so eine DUMME ROTZNASE!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:48 | 1717104 jdelano
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Whoops--did I say ethnocentric? On second thought solipsistic would have been far more apropos as clearly you can't see far enough out of your own sad little bubble of reality to see that I am not European. I'm 100% amerikan (fuck yeah!). The rest of your diatribe I consider too feeble to be worth dignifying with a response. Buona notte, figlio di puttana.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:03 | 1717146 JW n FL
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did you know.. that when the moor's invaded italy that they did so much fuckin that they changed the whole genetic makeup of every wop? did you know that?

now call your cousin in da white house ( pun intended ) and tell him to chill the fuck out!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:10 | 1717165 jdelano
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I bow before the almighty wit of the joo, endowed with such gifts as the ablility to plagiarize hackneyed slurs from a Quinten Tarantino flick. Is there anything you people won't stoop to steal? (seriously though, not sure why you felt the need to stick your undoubtedly protuberant nose into this feud--joos and I-talians are supposed to be simpatico...)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:53 | 1717255 LeonardoFibonacci
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not always simpaitco.  Hanno amazato il nostro caro gésu quelli bastardi con il naso lungo

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:54 | 1717256 Andy Lewis
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Yer breath stinks like shit.  Why don't you go brush yer teeth?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:56 | 1717258 LeonardoFibonacci
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how can you smell it on the computer BASTARDO

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 03:29 | 1721034 Andy Lewis
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I wondered about that myself.  I guess he's speshul.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:09 | 1717379 TBT or not TBT
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Don't think it was a Tarentino. Anyway for sure it was Christopher Walken delivering the insult along those lines, that the wops are "niggaz" because the moors did so much fuckin.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 04:28 | 1717655 jballz
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written by tarantino...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXjcf47y-zk&feature=related

and you all should really be more polite to each other as you're going to need all the friends you can get when the cannibalism starts.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:57 | 1717259 LeonardoFibonacci
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JW = jehova's witness?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:02 | 1717272 snowball777
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Junkie Whitetrash

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 02:50 | 1717571 EasterBunny
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You really are a cretin.

Obviously not very well travelled. Do you have a pssport?

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 04:09 | 1717637 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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European Women vs American women...hmmm...tough one...

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://prikk.com/images/morsom1.jp...

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 14:21 | 1719134 BigJim
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It's true... if I were given the choice between choosing (sight unseen) either an average European woman or an average American, I'd choose the former.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:14 | 1717007 sushi
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EURO Tarp DOA

The UK is a member of the EIB but outside the monetary zone. No way will they agree to putting themselves on the hook for this fantasy of a delusion inside an improbability.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:33 | 1717063 ??
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right on sushi

Cameron would never, I mean never sell out to the bankers.  He's one great guy, a man of the people, a winston in waiting.

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:48 | 1717108 sushi
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Cameron would never sell out to French or German bankers. As for a winston in waiting I think of him more as a Disraeli in desuetude.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:59 | 1717136 tumblemore
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Cameron and Osborne are 100% going to bail out the eurobanks and will throw their deficit reduction plan under the bus to do it. They're owned by the London banks and the London banks don't want contagion from the eurobanks.

The only barriers to eurotarp are Germany and some of the smaller countries like Finland (who i assume could be rail-roaded if neccessary but not sure on that).

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:04 | 1717151 andrewp111
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If they want to do a EuroTarp, there is a very simple way. The horrendously convoluted scheme described above is both stupid and unnessesary. All they have to do is have the ECB print up a trillion Euros, and then buy newly issued bank stock with those Euros. Voila! The banks are recapitalized.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:21 | 1717307 abalone
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Isn't that the problem. They can't. It's like an eposide of "Underbelly" Benny & the Fed have got a press & the ECB want it.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 12:42 | 1718784 fuu
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That's a gem right there: "Despite what you hear from the doom and gloom cultists, the original TARP was a monster success, if only temporary."

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:25 | 1717033 M.B. Drapier
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The leverage-the-EFSF masterplan has been around since days before Monday, and it's pretty clearly not the invention of any journalist; it's something which is being pushed hard on journalists by, evidently, the US government. Maybe Liesman added the use-the-EIB flourish, but I wouldn't even bet on that - $5 says that notion was fed to him too.

Some Germans like Schäuble are indeed mocking the idea of leveraging the ECB (whether through the ECB or whatever), but it's being pushed frantically by the US; it has partial or full support from the UK, France and many other significant countries; it apparently has domestic support in Germany from business types, the SPD and so on; and it's likely going to come down to a decision by Merkel, who's always given in and supported the bailout every time so far that push has come to shove. So the rumours can't be lightly dismissed, I'm afraid.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:37 | 1717073 ??
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sounds great Drapie

could you perhaps provide some substantiation to your assertions?

thanks

I do agree that this is an American based initiative but then that's my opinion so a link to a source that supports such a claim would be greate

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:59 | 1717133 jdelano
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Missed the part about constitutionality and the need for a referendum....?

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:39 | 1717419 G-R-U-N-T
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"Germany and America were on a collision course on Tuesday night over the handling of Europe's debt crisis after Berlin savaged plans to boost the EU rescue fund as a "stupid idea" and told the White House to sort out its own mess before giving gratuitous advice to others."

Germany pulls White House covers. Absolutely classic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8793010/Germany-slams...

 

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:52 | 1717433 Manthong
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"politicians do not have the legal authority to sign away the birthright of the German people without their explicit consent"

Thank goodness politicians do not have such silly constraints in the U.S.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:43 | 1717238 JB
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TK-421. ;)

:P

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:28 | 1716879 Two Towers AU AG
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I understand that I understand that I did not understand the understanding which one had to understand to understand that I said I did understand the plan after reading this article...

F***.... this plan seems more twisted than a pretzel.. took me two readings to understand that the people have no understanding of its implication...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:31 | 1717045 tekhneek
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A graph/flow-chart would pretty much sum this up.

Someone please detail this debt circle jerk so we can be done with this.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:53 | 1717253 Golden Receiver
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A flow chart would imply some logic to this madness. An Escher or Dali rendering might be easier.

Doesn't parts of this sounds suspiciously like the mortgage backed securities bs that got so opaque nobody knew what anybody was holding and what risks were being assumed by which parties? Could this be an intentional consequence?

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:07 | 1717376 Dr Hackenbush
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it's a corporate check kiting ring with 8 to 1 leverage - done in broad daylight by those that sit above the law. 

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 06:45 | 1717760 MaximumPig
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So who is showing up with the E1.6 trillion of lending to provide the leverage?  That is strangely missing from the 'plan.'

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 10:38 | 1718324 covert
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maybe failure is the goal? if poverty is the goal, then it will succeed.

http://expose2.wordpress.com

 

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