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Guest Post: The European Union Is Destroying European Unity

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics

The European Union Is Destroying European Unity

So we know that the pro-bailout parties in Greece have failed to form a coalition, and that this will either mean an anti-bailout anti-austerity government, or new elections, and that this will probably mean that the Greek default is about to become extremely messy (because let’s face it the chances of the Greek people electing a pro-austerity, pro-bailout government is about as likely as Hillary Clinton quitting her job at the State Department and seeking a job shaking her booty at Spearmint Rhino).

It was said that the E.U.’s existence was justified in the name of preventing the return of nationalism and fascism to European politics.

Well, as a result of the austerity terms imposed upon Greece by their European cousins in Brussels and Frankfurt, Greeks just put a fully-blown fascist party into Parliament.

From the Telegraph:

The ultra nationalist far right party Golden Dawn supporters celebrated on Sunday after exit polls showed them winning between 5 to 7 per cent of the vote, enough for them to gain representation in parliament for the first time in Greek history. Golden Dawn Leader, Nikolaos Michaloliakos shouted “The Europe of the nations returns, Greece is only the beginning” as he walked towards party headquaters and pledged to deal with illegal immigrants first.

For doubters of their intellectual lineage, here’s their logo:

I (among many others) have argued since at least last year that increased nationalism would be a result of the status quo, which is of course deeply ironic.

Winston Churchill famously noted that a new European unity was the path to the people of Europe forgetting the “rivers of blood that have flowed for thousands of years”.

Well it looks like some of the memories of those rivers of blood are about to be unleashed. How was it possible that a regime set up ostensibly to create more and deeper European unity seems to have sown the seeds for division and nationalism? Quite easily, really.

By designing a system that allowed for governments to spend freely in a fiat currency they could not print more of, Brussels effectively set up member states for fiscal crises. But the fiscal crisis hit at the worst possible time, one of global economic contraction. And by enforcing contractionary policies on states that were already in a depression economies in Europe are getting to Great Depression levels:

The key here is that the Euro system is not giving the public the idea that all peoples are in the same boat. It is giving the impression that some nations are benefiting at the expense of others.

For there can be no doubting the perception on the ground in Europe that Germany (the first nation, lest we forget, to violate the Stability and Growth Pact) is sado-masochistically brutalising the periphery in the name of its own prosperity. And the facts back that up:

Certainly, the steep austerity policies have in Portugal, Spain and Greece only produced bigger deficits as tax revenues have fallen. But what really matters is that Europeans more and more are coming to see the E.U. and the policies it enforces as counter to their interests and harmful.

While Britons have long resented the E.U. and its micro-managerial regulatory regime, it is becoming clear that much of Europe is coming to distrust the E.U. and its institutions:


Those deep scars that thousands of years of war and violence created, culminating in the rise of Nazism and WW2, are rising again to the surface. And it is through the misguided actions of this institution that was supposed to create unity that unity began to fall apart.

 

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Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:49 | 2407071 lolmao500
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That's the point. WW3 will bring in world government.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:52 | 2407083 SilverTree
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I second that ^. WAR IS THE END GAME.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:02 | 2407129 flacon
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"National Socialists" are "Far Right-Wing"? Only in textbooks...

 

 

Government 101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPefEuvqVmY

 


 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:07 | 2407159 Levadiakos
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You got that from Glenn Beck

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:21 | 2407217 EuroSovietSerf
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Nazis were (are) collectivists. Just a bit different collectivism than communists, but collectivist nonetheless. Individuals don't count in nazi ideology.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:23 | 2407230 GeneMarchbanks
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Just a bit different collectivism than communists, but collectivist nonetheless.

Go on because 'different' means absolutely dick.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:08 | 2407455 He_Who Carried ...
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Its the Euro that is destroing European unity.

The European Union is not responsible for this process

and the European Union will survive, but not the Euro as we know it.

The Euro is doomed to transform itself, not the Union.

Its two different things!

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 18:52 | 2408429 gangland
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'Far from promoting greater integration, as its architects predicted, the European Monetary Union (EMU) serves to intensify conflict among and within member states by accelerating uneven development, dramatizing inequalities, and provoking demands for the renationalization of monetary policy.'

 

Contrary to this turn of events, available to all to observe through mass media,

 [the EU] continues to sing the praises of the success of the European Union and the project of its common currency.

Very much in line with this,

Anton Hemerijck (2002) speaks of the EMU as part of a successful ‘self-transformation’ of the ‘European social model’

and Martin Rhodes (2002) argues that the EMU actually is strengthening European welfare states.

 

When one abandons the parsimonious,

but overly simplistic ‘basic force’, functionalist,

and formal-institutionalist models of power upon which this conventional wisdom is based,

and rather adopts a more structural and dialectical conception of power, a very different conclusion emerges.

 

The EMU is firmly subordinated to the minimalist hegemony

that has characterised the ‘strategic coordination’ of US policy

since the end of the Bretton Woods era.

 

Consequently,

the aspirations of the European ‘power bloc’ of dominant socio-economic interests

and socio-political elites to build a monetary union to promote competitiveness,

regional autonomy, and sustained growth is self-limiting,

given the neo-liberal underpinnings of the system as it has developed since the Maastricht Treaty [including Lisbon, the upcoming EMS and TSCG].


This is because the neo-liberal project is inherently connected to a

transnational financial and monetary order

which displaces economic and social contradictions from the United

States to other parts of the world, including Europe.

- October 2005 by Alan Cafruny and Magnus Ryner

 

http://www.risq.org/article475.html

 

those are epic boobies

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:09 | 2407458 He_Who Carried ...
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double posting, sorry... :-(

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:22 | 2407505 Cyrano de Bivouac
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No problem.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:00 | 2407697 LFMayor
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aye,  all green ups from me as well.  Please post again

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:38 | 2407574 EuroSovietSerf
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Don't be sorry, your avatar is... well... mesmerizing :-)

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:20 | 2407495 AnAnonymous
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Nazis were (are) collectivists. Just a bit different collectivism than communists, but collectivist nonetheless. Individuals don't count in nazi ideology.
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US citizenism leads to mishmashing.

But back in those times, Nazis were socialists. Communists were collectivists. It meant other things.

After it became obvious that US citizenism will prevail over any other, well, blurring the frontier was probably perceived as a sure way to remove the spot light from the only relevant set of beliefs: US citizenism.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 18:00 | 2408336 clymer
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that fool-looking adopted logo sure looks like a redesigned swastika, alright.

 

http://www.golden-dawn.com/eu/index.aspx

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:22 | 2407516 F. Bastiat
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Indeed; "improved" totalitarianism, they thought. Ironically, the German variety of national socialism only lasted about 15 years while bolshevism lasted 70 or so. It's odd that they continue to claim that free enterprise is "destined" to usher in totalitarianism.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:36 | 2407280 Dr. Engali
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Nazi's were a socialist party and that puts them on the left by nature. A right thinking ideolgy believes in limiting the government's powers and keeping social programs (if any) to a minimum. They certainly aren't meant to keep people dependent on government. These parties rising are demanding more government spending and entitlements not less. Fitting right in the the socialist agenda.

As a matter of fact Roosevelt who ushered  liberalism into the U.S. had a great admiration for Mussolini the fascist.....that is until it wasn't good politics to espouse that admiration.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:53 | 2407385 JR
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"The Hegemony of World Finance should reign supreme over everyone, everywhere, as one whole supernational control mechanism." - Montagu Norman, Jewish governor of the Bank of England from 1920-1944.

To achieve this goal, super-rich bankers, in general as in the USA, are aiding and abetting procedures to convert all governments to world socialism, which they will control.  Using debt, violence, and revolution to politically force themselves into control of world governance, they are creating a world financial crisis in a last bold step as governments surrender their sovereignty under a worldwide debt-induced emergency.

Dr. Carroll Quigley, professor of history at the Foreign Service School of Georgetown University and Bill Clinton's mentor, identified this power group as the “international bankers,” men who are quite “different from ordinary bankers in distinctive ways: they were cosmopolitan and international; they were close to governments and were particularly concerned with questions of government debts...; they were almost equally devoted to secrecy and the secret use of financial influence in political life.  These bankers came to be called ‘international bankers’; and, more particularly, were known as ‘merchant bankers’ in England, ‘private bankers’ in France, and ‘investment bankers’ in the United States.”

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:28 | 2407541 rotagen
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First post here that actually focuses on something that matters. thanks JR.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:48 | 2407596 Dr. Engali
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If you don't think that the defense of ideology...the defense of freedom from government tyranny is something that matters then I feel for you. When you allow somebody to set the definition of words then you lose the argument.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:56 | 2407673 Liquid Courage
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Internationalism is the most dangerous form of Utopianism that can possibly exist. Whether you call him (or her) Anti-Christ or merely Tyrant, if that seat of power is ever created, that corruptible being (so deceived as to think themself incorruptible) will come along to occupy it.

That power should never be allowed to exist. It's more dangerous than the H-Bomb because it is the will to actually use the H-Bomb in order to create a "better world". "Better" according to whose specifications, Mr. or Ms. Utopian?

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:00 | 2407690 Things that go bump
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How ironic that just when their objectives were virtually within their grasp along comes peak oil to foil the plot. Their ambitions may have to be adjusted to a somewhat smaller scale than world dominion.  

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:04 | 2407443 AnAnonymous
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Nazi's were a socialist party and that puts them on the left by nature. A right thinking ideolgy believes in limiting the government's powers and keeping social programs (if any) to a minimum.

_________________________________________________

Maybe you know, the Nazis were inscribed into a historical perspective and meant socialism as socialism was meant to be in their own times.

But admitting that would lead to self censorhip of cheap US citizen type propaganda.

An impossible move.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:25 | 2407524 F. Bastiat
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Collectivist, yes. Totalitarian, yes. Bolshevist, no.  "Upside down" Bolshevism is probably the closest approximation to German national socialism.  Kolnai's "The War Against the West" is the seminal work on the topic, IMO.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:14 | 2407480 Liquid Courage
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The standard "left-right spectrum" is so simplistic as to be useless, thus leading to tedious semantic squabbles such as this thread. Suggest you all consider the political "compass" concept, as one example here at Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_compass

It is to the Political Spectrum as a plane is to a line ... much more expansive.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:13 | 2408011 Andy Lewis
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Chickenshit bullshit.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 23:15 | 2408972 dognamedabu
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Decent summary. Watched this awhile back and found it educational. 

 

Individualism vs Collectivism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMYicq_SN1E

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:06 | 2407142 Tenshin Headache
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If so, extinction may well be the end game. This is a nuclear-armed world.

Edit:

I think it was Einstein who said, "I know not how World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:15 | 2407191 cougar_w
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He was being cute; he knew exactly how WW3 would be fought, as do we all.

For a different take, a read of the graphic novel "Appleseed" is highly recommended. All you NWO refuzniks would have an aneurysm.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:51 | 2407087 Silver Bug
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Wow if that doesn't look like a nazi symbol, I don't know what is.

 

http://silverliberationarmy.blogspot.ca/

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:38 | 2407578 Umh
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Search for "Greek key design" and you will find images  which look more like a swastika than the above image. On the other hand a Greek key is usually a continuous repeating pattern.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:49 | 2407077 bob_dabolina
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Uh...that's not a Swastika

FAIL

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:53 | 2407100 SheepDog-One
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Ja! Ein Swastika! 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:18 | 2407211 Manthong
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It's referred to as a Greek Fret, Greek Key or a Meander.

The color selection though, seems to provoke an impression of authoritarianism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meander_(art

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 20:58 | 2407874 Randall Cabot
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It's amazing how the mind-controlled morons here see a pattern with straight lines and exhibit the desired negative Pavlovian response-but a positive Pavlovian response if the pattern is the similar star of david.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:04 | 2407141 cougar_w
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They didn't want their Fascist symbol to look like a good luck charm.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:57 | 2407408 carbonmutant
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LOL...

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:07 | 2407153 GeneMarchbanks
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That does not prevent us from sensationalizing to the point of complete fracture with reality though, does it bob?

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:15 | 2407192 TrumpXVI
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:25 | 2407242 Manthong
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I think I took a little more time to say the same thing you did. :)

I do not think anyone can argue that Golden Dawn has created that tacit association on purpose, though.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:48 | 2407363 WonderDawg
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If it wasn't on purpose, the marketing guy must have been out back burning one when it was selected.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:50 | 2407078 carbonmutant
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Greece Set To Default On Foreign-Law Bonds On May 15

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greece-set-default-foreign-law-bonds-may-15

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:50 | 2407079 frenchie
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hm

like maybe "their plan" is to push for a war ?

basically how crisis were mostly used to be managed back in the time... with a war...

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:50 | 2407081 insanelysane
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It's the beginning of the Civil War all over again.  North v South, where the North won't let the South secede from the Union.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:52 | 2407085 WALLST8MY8BALL
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(because let’s face it the chances of the Greek people electing a pro-austerity, pro-bailout government is about as likely as Hillary Clinton quitting her job at the State Department and seeking a job shaking her booty at Spearmint Rhino).

 

That is just AWFUL and Damn I need a new monitor!

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:18 | 2407208 GoldenTool
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I need a mental image scrubber.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:51 | 2407088 midgetrannyporn
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That is the same thing wall street is doing to middle america. Hoist the colors.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:53 | 2407091 carbonmutant
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The Schengen Agreement is dead.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:53 | 2407094 williambanzai7
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TROIKA GOOSE

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:56 | 2407106 Aziz
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Hey wb7 you fancy making my Hillary Clinton/ Spearmint Rhino analogy a reality?

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:56 | 2407113 MsCreant
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Great minds and all... you beat me by a minute.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:00 | 2407125 adr
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I was half a foot away from Hilary Clinton once. Trust me, just her face in person is enough for you to almost swear off women forever.

I don't think she actually has a face, what I saw looked like modelling clay.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:13 | 2407187 OMG
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& the reason for the Tammy Faye Baker look? Thigh burns

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:21 | 2407223 Bear
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People are measured by the content of their character not the wrinkles on their brow

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:41 | 2407335 NuYawkFrankie
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Oh yeah? Well in Hillary's case, her character is even uglier than her mug  - which is just playing catch-up

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:49 | 2407369 WonderDawg
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Excellent!

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:58 | 2407109 MsCreant
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William, AKA Bill,

You need to get your camera in there for Hill's audition and see what you can find out about her booty shaking. Get a shot of her and Monica for the kill...

 

Edit 1: http://www.gifbin.com/983049

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:46 | 2407337 francis_sawyer
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Ministry of Silly Walks... (I think with government backing I could make it very silly)...

~~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZlBUglE6Hc&feature=fvwrel

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:54 | 2407095 MsCreant
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Would they give Hill the job if she sought it?

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:01 | 2407128 Arvo Particleboard
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She certainly has the experience; and on an international stage.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:04 | 2407146 Aziz
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When I was younger I wanted to go into international relations because I thought it meant having sexual relations with exotic women.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:52 | 2407374 francis_sawyer
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You mean the "Secret Service"?

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:52 | 2408314 Sandmann
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You mean you wanted to get Syphilis for your Country ?

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:52 | 2407379 williambanzai7
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This puts a new spin on the phrase "struggling artist."

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:53 | 2407097 urbanelf
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Swastika + Ouzo = whatever the hell that is.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 12:55 | 2407104 FlyoverCountryS...
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"Hillary Clinton quitting her job at the State Department and seeking a job shaking her booty at Spearmint Rhino" 

Seriously, why did you have to that? THAT WHICH HAS BEEN SEEN CANNOT BE UNSEEN, and I have this horrible, disgusting image now stuck in the mind's eye.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:02 | 2407135 docj
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Well, we haven't seen it yet, have we? I mean, if it's a mental image it's nothing a wire brush and some lye soap can't take care of.

Now, if banzai gets going on Aziz's suggestion, that, my friend, is a nag of a different color.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:24 | 2407236 hardcleareye
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Now you have done it.... !!!!

I am sure Banzai is current hard (or not so hard, considering the subject matter) at work.... lol

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:52 | 2407647 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Perhaps the Peppermint Hippo would be more appropriate than the Spearmint Rhino:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155188/peppermint-hippo

 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:00 | 2407123 NuYawkFrankie
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Re Greeks just put a fully-blown fascist party into Parliament

Any truth to the rumor that - to speed things up -  they've asked the Obama Administration for the blueprints for the PATRIOT ACT, TSA, DHS & NDAA as well as a consignment of drones ?

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:06 | 2407151 cougar_w
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Well played.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:51 | 2407373 WonderDawg
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Frankie's on a roll!

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:04 | 2407126 Mercury
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Well, I suppose the Euro was slightly more successful than Esperanto...

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:02 | 2407131 theTribster
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Before I forget, the reference to Hilliary Clinton shaking her booty was truly disgusting and caused me to have to fight the image out of my mind for several minutes - ouch!

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:03 | 2407139 adr
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In your mind was there something shaking under that booty that shouldn't really be there?

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:04 | 2407132 adr
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I just saw a headline exclaiming the Greek Bailout is dead. Why haven't the algos dropped the market 500 points on that headline?

http://www.cnbc.com//id/47334408

"Greece’s New Leftist Leader Says Bailout Deal Is Dead"
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:11 | 2407174 cougar_w
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Bad news is good.

If you really want 500 points down, look for something about housing sales see a suprising up-tick.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:02 | 2407134 William113
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I just read this statement. Is it a true or false statement. I don't fault anybody for wanting their own country. But if the statement is true then whats good for one is good for all.

Greece’s “Golden Dawn” party—although all that party wants—an ethno-state for Greek people—is exactly what the Zionists demand for Jews in Israel.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:03 | 2407137 BurningFuld
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Greece needs Nukes. Drop everything and go nuclear!!! I hear Iran might be able to advise.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:03 | 2407138 AnAnonymous
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It was said that...

Could be sourced because US citizen Europeans have been involved in quite a number of wars since the creation of the EU, they nurish a pan indo european nationalist dream and nothing prevents a united Europe from being wholly fascist even though they do not need that as US citizenism is what is applied here, not fascism.

So have US citizens stated that the EU was to prevent fascism and nationalism? Well...

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:11 | 2407168 Joe The Plumber
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I guess it may be true the observation that the asian mind is very concrete, inflexible, and can only hold one worldview at a time in those restricted brains?

Hey chinaman have you anything new to add? In psychiatry it is called an " overvalued idea" when someone has only one thesis in his mind and relates all world events to that one thesis

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:28 | 2407262 Kayman
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Joe

Melamine laced rice focuses the mind nicely.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:08 | 2407453 AnAnonymous
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I guess it may be true the observation that the asian mind is very concrete, inflexible, and can only hold one worldview at a time in those restricted brains?

_______________________________________________

If true, Asians would be a lost cause for US citizenism that thrives on holding conflicting views to shove the negative consequences due to inconciliable differences onto a third party.

Would be surprising though because Indo Europeans descended from asiatic people and acted as spearheads for US citizenism.

So...

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:04 | 2407140 yogibear
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Time for Spain, Greece, Italy to start printing Euros. A southerly version of QEing. Stick it to the north and Troika.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:04 | 2407144 tamboo
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The 'Golden Dawn' is a hoax created by Jews for a race riot against muslims

 

- Greek Unease Fuels Rise Of Far-Right 'Golden Dawn'
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:24 | 2407161 cougar_w
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Well the hoax was good enough for 5% of the Greek Parliment and a shot at a coalition government.

So I quess someone in Israel is laughing their ass off?

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:05 | 2407147 adr
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Let's see if we can tank this thing:

EVERYONE TWEET "GREEK BAILOUT DEAD"

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:08 | 2407163 Peter K
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As far as the Golden Domer's are concerned, I view it as adding to the diversity mix. Can't be all that bad. Besides,it got the Bamster into Harvard Law.:)

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:09 | 2407164 nickels
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The design is part of "Greek Key" border design. Used for thousands of years on pottery, wall tiles etc. But it looks sort of Nazi-ish and allows for a great over-reaction---

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:11 | 2407171 falak pema
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"Merkolande" is the new mantra and its an invisible cloak which shows you she who pokes and he who jokes; a perfect team to make the world scream. Euro dreams are Chekhovian like the cherry orchard; but where have all the cherries gone? They are not in Club MEd! 

The gist of the matter is the Cherry Orchard was supposed to be a comedy, even a farce; but it ended up as a tragedy as directed by Stanislavski. 

Duality; is in the nature of North/South tug of war around Euro's Cherry Orchard! 

The Cherry Orchard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:13 | 2407177 Golden monkey
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:13 | 2407178 carbonmutant
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Austerity breeds Nazis...

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:18 | 2407203 cougar_w
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Probably not breeding as such. But it sure seems to get their undies in a bunch.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:23 | 2407234 fasTTcar
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Jon Stewart had a great bit on last night.

Pointing out that Greece elected Communists and Nazi's to fix the mess in Greece.  That should work out.

Even better, that Germany now has taken over Europe 70 years after WWII with no army and because of "International Bankers". 

Sweet, sweet irony indeed.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:54 | 2407286 GeneMarchbanks
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'Even better, that Germany now has taken over Europe 70 years after WWII with no army and because of "International Bankers". '

That is complete and utter bullshit. Germany is an occupied territory with a population under hypnosis like Japan. In the background stands real culprit and it ain't Germany.

Good to hear Americans are resorting to comedy shows to stay informed though. Very reassuring.

 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:35 | 2407302 Kayman
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"Austerity breeds Nazis..."

And infinite money printing/ debt breeds... kittens ?

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:01 | 2407421 thursday0451
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Debt -> Financial Crisis -> Austerity -> Nazis -> Wars -> New Era -> Tempered Optimism -> Overzealous Optimism (Debt) -> Financial Crisis ...

etc, forever, until we humans figure this damned cycle out. Any true 'sustainability' movement must have as one of its primary tenets reducing or eliminating the generationally traumatic consqeunces of debt.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:54 | 2407656 Umh
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Totalitarian socialist are always with us. We just start labeling them when they become blatant nationalist also.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:14 | 2407188 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Hillary and Spearmint Rhino in the same sentence!!!  That is some funny shit right there...

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:15 | 2407196 _ConanTheLibert...
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"Well, as a result of the austerity terms imposed upon Greece by their European cousins in Brussels and Frankfurt, Greeks just put a fully-blown fascist party into Parliament."

 

Hilarious if it wasn't tragic...

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:21 | 2407218 tim73
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"By designing a system that allowed for governments to spend freely in a fiat currency they could not print more of, Brussels effectively set up member states for fiscal crises."

Yeah, luckily US is the model for us barbaric, blood thirsty Europeans to follow! God damn, where is my sword. I feel like slaughtering a few Greeks! It is so difficult to resist my barbaric European, disgusting urges of blood orgies...

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:22 | 2407220 Bartanist
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I am not sure how anyone can think that rule by greedy, bloodsucking, technocratic bankers could be a good idea. Sure, then make the money out of thin air and decide who gets it and who does not. Does that make then qualified to lead the people? Hardly. They flatter themselves with their delusions of importance. The money may be important, but they are not.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:22 | 2407222 gadzooks
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Isn`t it about time they broke down the`re debt loads and consider having default deals with the institutions and or countries they`ve been paying for 50 years or more and then move on while monotoring high finance activities closely??????

 

 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:24 | 2407232 Loukanika the r...
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Pictures of their 21 newly elected MP's One woman (the leaders wife) (in Greek sorry) One awaiting trial for murder, one on other felony charge,s and one satanic rocker

http://www.newsit.gr/default.php?pname=Article&art_id=138398&catid=9

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:26 | 2407238 tim73
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God damn Greeks! Could not even draw a decent Swastika! Looks like a friggin Pacman level 3 for retarded.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:25 | 2407247 EuroSovietSerf
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Its true, while the Euro isn't the only cause, it is the main cause of the current discontent. It has made poverty and unemployment a helluva lot worse than it would have been. Only the bankster crowd profits from the Euro, and the political elite and their hangers on. No one else does.

The Euro is our misfortune.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:22 | 2407506 AnAnonymous
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The middle class benefits of it.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:26 | 2407254 Beard of Zeus
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I actually support Golden Dawn.

I only wish we had an equivalent party in the US.

How could anyone not expect a Nationalist backlash, after shoving imported third world immigrants, bankster shenanigans, the MultiKult, and 'austerity' down the throat of the Greek people?

Nature always fights back.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:30 | 2407274 TNTARG
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What I know is that those who became West "leaders" are so full of shit (including and specially banksters) that they're pushing us all up into a new Medieval stage.

What a "civilization"! 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:41 | 2407334 JR
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The use of the “swastika” by John Aziz and the MSM, even if used by a minority party, to identify the Greek elections 67 years after the National Socialists were completely extinguished from Europe, identifies these points with a Zionist overlay. Because the Nazi symbolism is not only out of date but it is incredibly misleading concerning the real political and economic complexity of Europe. The Greeks who voted for the fringe parties did not vote because they believe in the platforms of the fringe parties. They voted against the bank takeover of their country.

Many issues are involved in these elections, including massive illegal immigration. And if opposition to immigration now means you are a Nazi, then that is a viewpoint of the Zionist worldly powerhouse of today.

And if opposition to bailouts and having foreign officials make decisions on how and which businesses can operate, then that, too, is a Zionist viewpoint.

If the media is going to identify this election as Nazi, then that’s a Zionist view, and if identifying the bankers who are taking over your government is Nazism, that too is a Zionist viewpoint.

Why?  Because the international bankers are forcing these issues and the citizens are rebelling against them. And that is not being a Nazi. Until those commenting on the elections get rid of the Zionist slant, we will not able to discuss the real implications of the Greek elections.

Fair minded people take warning: from here on out, the supporters of the international bankers will be using this argument to attempt to identify the election in racist terms. The bankers lost a big one with these elections and they will be scrambling to spin the meaning of the results; those especially concerned who will be watching the German elections need to be aware that when the banker-supported politicians are losing, the swastikas and the venom will be everywhere.

As  I wrote earlier today on ZH: Unfortunately, the German people, now in a life and death struggle with the international bankers, have no say so on their destiny; the real rulers of Germany are the victors of World War II after the unconditional surrender of the German Armed Forces in World War II.


Dr. Robert Hickson’s February article “The Asphyxiation of German History” explains: “Germany, which has been browbeaten since its defeat in World War II has been made constitutionally incapable of strong leadership. Any sign of German leadership is quickly quelled by dredging up remembrance of the Third Reich.”


Now, he says, there is another much more dangerous “life and death struggle going on in “Germany: ”conquest by immigration.”


Mass immigration politics resulted in 9.4 million immigrants in 2005, or 11.5% of the population, in one of the most densely populated countries on earth. Germany is about half the size of Texas with a current estimated population of 81,000,000.


This year’s projection will bring mass immigration to 16 million immigrants, or 20 percent of the population, according to a 2008  American Academy workshop in Berlin entitled “Population Projections and Forecast for Germany.”

Projections and Forecast for Germany.”

Germany’s Angela Merkel recently celebrated  the coming demise of her country at her “Integration Summit Conference” in Berlin where she vowed “to help immigrants become more at home.”

No government has ever been forced to surrender “unconditionally” to its conquerors save the Wehrmacht.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:52 | 2407375 Buckaroo Banzai
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Um, you forgot about the Confederate States of America.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:12 | 2407469 William113
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Let's not forgot Hitler could not have come into power without his BANKERS. They just happen to be the same bankers that we have now. Good thing history doesn't repeat its self.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:22 | 2407518 AnAnonymous
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The bankers and the millions he put on the streets when giving public speech.

Large popular support.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:12 | 2407472 AnAnonymous
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From illegal immigration to immigration. And it is doubted that the greek movement is against immigration of Indo Europeans.

To branch in with 9.5 immigrants in Germany by 2005?

How is it computed? 240 millions immigrants in the US?

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:05 | 2407720 QuietCorday
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I really wouldn't make that call at all. I wouldn't say Eastern Europeans were not Indo-European, and there is some strong feelings about immigration from Romania and Bulgaria. Likewise, Greek attitudes to British expats can be very unforgiving, particularly on the islands.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:44 | 2407342 Dre4dwolf
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WWIII will be fought with nukes and bombs and weapons that you couldnt imagine, WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.

 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:48 | 2407365 walcott
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1940 Charlie Chaplin in Color!!! The Making of "The Great Dictator"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdFmoOabZ3k&feature=g-u-u

 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:50 | 2407367 Sandmann
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Winston Churchill famously noted

 

Yes he did that often, but he was so often wrong. He actually thought France would take care of Europe and Britain and the USA would walk arm-in-arm around the garden smelling the roses. But Winston had not reckoned with the McMahon Act and his personal role in saving the skin of Joe Stalin and making the Cold War possible. One day in 2041  the files will be released on Rudolf Hess and his May 1941 trip to Britain and we shall see how Spencer-Churchill (his real name) was, meanwhile he had the file sealed for 100 Years

 

in May 1941. In fact, three days before Hess arrived, there had been a vote of no-confidence in Churchill. He didn’t have the support of the aristocracy or the support of MI6 and the King. But the Hess affair basically gave Churchill the opportunity to blackmail his opponents who were involved with the Hess flight into supporting him. It made his position secure and he made veiled hints and threats in the House of Commons where he would drop Hess’s name in. It was like “Back me or I’ll tell the full story.” He also used the Hess flight to ensure that Hitler went ahead with his attack on Russia six weeks after Hess arrived. He also used it to worry the Americans that a deal was about to be done and to get Roosevelt to increase his support and ensure that the great Triple Alliance happened.


Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:04 | 2407444 JR
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Yes. Churchill hardly fits the model of a reasonable, truthful or peaceful man. It was Churchill and FDR at Yalta sitting alongside the man, Marshall Stalin (FDR’s Uncle Joe), who were to deliver a major chunk of Eastern Europe into despotic slavery.

As a result, the Polish boundary was moved westward, the remaining Polish government contained two-thirds Communists and the people of Eastern Europe were relegated to slavery and death behind the Iron Curtain.

The point is, it was a war and we had the forces to win the war on our own terms. Instead, we decided to negotiate those strengths. And for what?  That Russia would enter the war against Japan, a promise favored by FDR but that wasn’t fulfilled until two days after the atom bomb was dropped on Hiroshima!

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:00 | 2407691 QuietCorday
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Churchill was a much needed symbol; unfortunately, the man did not match up to the image.

For the Poles, the Second World War did not end until 1989.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:47 | 2407897 Maghreb
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Is this like the suppressed info on Jack the Ripper? 125 years and Scotland Yard can't release them. It won't come out. Hess's files are most likely already gone or rerwitten as well......

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:58 | 2407406 penexpers
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The resemblence of the symbol on the Golden Dawn flag to the Nazi Swastika is similar but not the same.

The Golden Dawn symbol is a traditional Greek meander.

 

 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:07 | 2407452 cougar_w
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You will find the swastika today all over Asia and India, used as a good luck charm. Just as it was for the past 3,000 years.

It's not the pattern, it's the deployment. The Greeks used the same deployment for the meander as the Nazis did for the swastika.

It's basic branding. Marketing 101. Everyone gets it because everyone is supposed to get it.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:54 | 2407929 Umh
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A meander or meandros  is a decorative border constructed from a continuous line, shaped into a repeated motif.

 

The key word I see is border. Like along the edge of a rug, plate, vase...........

 

 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 13:59 | 2407417 The Reich
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I like their banner!

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:01 | 2407422 QuietCorday
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The elephant in the room with Golden Dawn's success is that the EU-enthused immigration of third-party nationals into Greece was never going to work, purely because Greece has not had an empire since the medieval period (unless you consider the Ottoman empire as a Greek-Islamic empire, but I doubt many Greeks will buy that approach, even though it is kinda true) nor been a peoples in receipt of excess prosperity for about the same period. This means the "obligations" that, say, Britain, France, Spain or Italy (Germany also, considering their extraordinary vandalism during WW2) could be said to owe some third-party nationals do not exist when it comes to Greece and the Greek people ... and the Greeks have long memories. Add to this an economic crisis, and the tribalism begins.

And I have to say that trouble in Europe always begins in the Balkans; trouble in that area is like the opening chords of a symphony of European conflict. 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:03 | 2407440 Dr. Engali
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Every time I read the words "Golden Dawn" I think of a morning pee.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:13 | 2407475 penexpers
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If people read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer or knew anything about the rise of the National Socialist Party you'd understand that the National Socialists absolutely despised the socialist and communist parties in Germany who regularly killed each other in street battles. The Nazi Party was the quintessential corporatist regime who controlled every form of industry in Germany. The Nazis had a social safety net, yes, but the propaganda used to justify it was always based on their bogus crap about "Germanic racial supremacy" and that it was the "duty" of the Nazi State to care for citizenry.

They did not view regard their social safety net as "socialist."

The argument has been settled over 60 years ago: the Nazi State was a hardcore fascist movement with a centrally planned economy.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:26 | 2407530 AnAnonymous
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No. It was simply that socialist meant what it was supposed to mean back then.

But for obvious reasons, US citizens have to rework and degenerate concepts as they should no longer be applied in a definitive form, it would self indict them.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:52 | 2407651 QuietCorday
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But, interestingly, Laurence Rees has interviewed old Nazi party members who distinctly say that at the time they believed, as Nazi party members, they were "revolutionary socialists"; the difference between them and the others was that their socialism applied only within a national context and to Germans, whereas the others were perceived as vehicles that wanted to export "alien" ideals into Germany, most notably Bolshevik/Soviet, to extend the power of foreign states over the German people and ultimately subdue them.

Whether this perspective was accurate or not is beside the point; the point is that you can uphold socialist ideas and still hate other sects of socialists. In Britain for example, there is no love lost between the Socialist Workers Party and the Socialist Alliance ... yet they would describe themselves as socialist.

The mistake, again, is seeing "fascism" as murderously racist. Franco, for example, did not engage in rabid anti-semitism and is seen by some Jewish commentators to have been the salvation of some 60,000 Jewish people during WW2. Even Orwell in 44 made the point that some fascist movements were not anti-semitic.

Indeed, Orwell's description of "fascist" being another word for "bully" is pretty good, which means that almost every political "ism" can be described as fascist, whether it stems from the right, left or the moon. 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:14 | 2407477 gwar5
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Supra-Nationalism is Fascism.  Unelected supra-national assholes are stealing national sovereignty and individual sovereignty.   That's fascism.

 

Nationalism is way better. Leaders are far more responsive to the people who have a national agenda. It's more local and more appropriate to the right of self-determination, example, Iceland. Personally, I like the Pirate Party in Germany. 

Nationalism gets a bad rap for warmongering because of Germany, France, Britain, and Spain. I'm sure Sweden and Switzerland felt nationalistic pride but they seemed to avoid killing everybody. Imperialism and competition for the spoils of the New World after 1492 fueled wars between European powers over the last 500 years. That's over.

The EU and UN are just gateways to global fascism and totalitarianism. It's already been decided and creeping into our lives from above, like: Agenda 21, Carbon Taxes, Codex Alimentarious and global surveillance.  In the coming future, property rights and an educated populous are not even considered "Sustainable." The more stuff you own and the more educated you are, the bigger your carbon footprint tends to be.  

So be careful. The left, cheerleaded by the MSM, is so far out there towards full-throated Marxism that anybody who still believes in a Constitution, the rule of law, and in fiscal responsibility, are the ones being called extremist wackos, instead of the other way around. 

 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:29 | 2407544 AnAnonymous
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Made me laugh. Switzerland and Sweden participated to the colonial movement.

For laughter's sake, Swedes were carving colonies in Rus for example centuries before the discovery of the new world.

US citizenism is as US citizen does.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:34 | 2407562 bbq on whitehou...
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Nationalism gets a bad rap because its easier to make enemies of the world then focus on internal lawlessness and the laws themselves. Nationalism would be find if it would focus on cleaning house; sadly it never does. It only seeks to bame the world and punish the weak.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:40 | 2407588 financial apoca...
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"pledged to deal with illegal immigrants first."

Maybe its just me and I am in no way anti-semite, but hopefully the Jews have learnt their lesson from history. This could be a pre-cursor for who knows what. They need to run to Israel now for their own good, they can take their gold "sewn into their clothes" with them.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:47 | 2407621 q99x2
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"Manufacturers led the gain in job openings for the month as all industries, except government agencies, "

That's right. DHS, TSA and the machine shops to build the weapons to kill you with.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 14:52 | 2407642 Bastiat009
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I am not going to defend people who cannot draw (that swastika is ridiculous) but I am surprised they didn't get more votes. The Greek elite has raped and sold its people. What can you expect?

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 18:24 | 2408401 Olympia
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this is not Swastika. 

This ia the Greek meander.  http://preview.tinyurl.com/7mj8nxn

 

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Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:00 | 2407686 AntiLeMaire
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>> Well, as a result of the austerity terms imposed upon Greece by their European cousins in Brussels and Frankfurt, Greeks just put a fully-blown fascist party into Parliament.

 

Wrong. The main cause is the corruption in Greece, easily counting for 25-33% of their GDP (every year...). Their corruption is worse than in China!

Accumulated ill-gotten profits should be in the hundred of billions by now. Of course a lot of that is already spent. But if they can prevent or limit a significant part of that corruption then their problems are solved.

What the Greeks do not seem to understand is that they can fix this themselves easily. But they still seem to believe their crooked politicians who always blame 'others', as if that will really work ...

What the Greeks do not seem to understand is that the bailouts come in 'small' portions (10 Bil or so) every few months, conditional on the Greeks fixing stuff here & there.

Better tax collection, fighting corruption, recuperating the *dozens of billions* in outstanding tax debt (from people known, amounts known & those people capable of paying), ending ridiculous anti-social 'rights' for some classes of the worker force, such as pension at 40, 50 or even 60 etc. Of course their is no money left!

Europe demanded that they fix their country, that they take the steps above. Those are not austerity measures.

Whatever party rules Greece, those are the conditions.

 

Same goes for France. Pension at 60!? LMAO. Try 65, maybe the French can afford that in the long run.

The Northern countries have their pension age at 65,66,67 etc. They will not pay for the French going on pension at 62, let alone at 60! LOL.

 

Time for a bit of reality in the South. The only one to blame for their situation are they themselves. It's broken, go fix!

Perhaps in our next 'package' we can send a couple of mirrors in aid. Who knows, one day they might take a look, wonder what those are for & they might finally get it ...

 

 

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:46 | 2407895 JR
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The Euro Zone downturn has been exacerbated by the common currency.

It’s in the interest of these giant international bankers and international corporations to keep the Euro Zone together, but it’s not necessarily in the interest of the average European citizen.  The people, whether Greek or German, give up more and more of their standard of living to the bankers, as do Americans when forced to put billions of their taxpayer dollars into the banker bailout funds.

As Tyler wrote on February 23, 2012: “While hardly discussed broadly in the mainstream media, the top news of the past 24 hours without doubt is that in addition to losing its fiscal sovereignty, and numerous other things, the Greek population is about to lose its gold in a perfectly legitimate fashion, following amendments to the country's constitution by unelected banker technocrats, who will make it legal for Greek creditors - read insolvent European banks - to plunder the Greek gold which at last check amounts to 111.6 tonnes according to the WGC.”

You cannot harness a whole continent; the people will leave the harness because a centrally controlled economic plan always fails; voluntary slavery doesn’t work.  The Euro Zone chained together for better or worse weak and strong economies that simply were incompatible; it’s now become a transfer union as the bankers knew it would.

Here’s a viewpoint from The Economist last July: “Despite a relatively small primary deficit projected for this year (2011), Greece is peculiarly vulnerable because of the scale of its indebtedness and the fact that so big a chunk of it is held abroad, a characteristic also shared by Ireland and Portugal, the two other bailed-out countries. As important, in joining the single currency, these economies lost the ability to reduce debt by inflation and to spur growth and competitiveness through devaluation. That makes investors fear that the only way to relieve oppressive debt burdens is through default…”

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/09/government-debt?page=1

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:01 | 2407701 FreedomGuy
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Soviet socialists, National Socialists, Democratic Socialists, etc., are all just different flavors of the same ice cream. They are all statist-collectivist regimes on the left. Libertarians and true anarchists are the far right in terms of liberty. Having said that, collectivism always diivdes people because it make one person's folly the problem of a person who did not cause it. It also gives the nonproductive a property right to what the productive produce. So Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy going down is now a serious German problem. That does not make you love the PIIGS. You resent them. With socialized medicine, thin people resent fat people who develop diabetes, heart problems and bad hips because it is now the problem of thin people. Workers resent non workers whom they are forced to support. On and on it goes. Statism-collectivism-socialism always, always, always promises utopia and delivers hades. When will you fucking idiots learn your lessons? (answer: Never. Just need the right people to do it properly.)

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:23 | 2407785 loftgroovv
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I might get a 'Golden Dawn' tattoo. Looks pretty cool.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 15:41 | 2407859 Maghreb
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Golden Dawn is full of shit, they apparently aren't sure they want out of the Euro but think they can grow the economy after deporting 10% of the population (immigrants). What real Nationalist doesn't want out of the Euro?  The fact thay they are talking about staying in the single currency raises real questions about their nationalism. I doubt they are really the heirs to the Nazi's more likely the second coming of the old NATO approved cold war Junta.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 16:16 | 2408019 wallie
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Devaluation of the Euro would be a solution in my opinion. With 15 a 20% the ECB can create at least 5,000 billion Euro. This amount may be divided on the basis of population or GDP between the different Euro countries. Countries with an unsustainable debt use this money to reduce their debt. Countries with a "sustainable" debt can use this to compensate their citizens and businesses for the inevitable inflation that will occur. This could be acceptable for both "surplus" and "deficit" countries.

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:19 | 2408202 TheObsoleteMan
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European unity? Your kidding right? IT HAS NEVER EXISTED. In a natural sense anyway, it was, and is, an artifical construct. You want to see first hand what I mean? Next time Germany plays Spain in a soccer match, see what happens.......

Tue, 05/08/2012 - 17:27 | 2408228 Joe A
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It are the EU-philes in Brussels and the creators of the Euro that made this all happen. In their quest to prevent a return to nationalism they did just that: they created nationalism because they designed and imposed a faulty currency for political reasons. They ignored and brushed off warnings from economists about the way the Euro was designed.

Wed, 05/09/2012 - 02:04 | 2409180 Clashfan
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"If Adolf Hitler flew in today,

they'd send him a limousine anyway!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4rC3gP2hXk&feature=related

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