I am not exaggerating.
This is Finnish writer Pentti Linkola — a man who demands that the human population reduce its size to around 500 million and abandon modern technology and the pursuit of economic growth — in his own words.
He likens Earth today to an overflowing lifeboat:
What to do, when a ship carrying a hundred passengers suddenly capsizes and there is only one lifeboat? When the lifeboat is full, those who hate life will try to load it with more people and sink the lot. Those who love and respect life will take the ship’s axe and sever the extra hands that cling to the sides.
He sees America as the root of the problem:
The United States symbolises the worst ideologies in the world: growth and freedom.
He unapologetically advocates bloodthirsty dictatorship:
Any dictatorship would be better than modern democracy. There cannot be so incompetent a dictator that he would show more stupidity than a majority of the people. The best dictatorship would be one where lots of heads would roll and where government would prevent any economical growth.
We will have to learn from the history of revolutionary movements — the national socialists, the Finnish Stalinists, from the many stages of the Russian revolution, from the methods of the Red Brigades — and forget our narcissistic selves.
A fundamental, devastating error is to set up a political system based on desire. Society and life have been organized on the basis of what an individual wants, not on what is good for him or her.
As is often the way with extremist central planners Linkola believes he knows what is best for each and every individual, as well as society as a whole:
Just as only one out of 100,000 has the talent to be an engineer or an acrobat, only a few are those truly capable of managing the matters of a nation or mankind as a whole. In this time and this part of the World we are headlessly hanging on democracy and the parliamentary system, even though these are the most mindless and desperate experiments of mankind. In democratic coutries the destruction of nature and sum of ecological disasters has accumulated most. Our only hope lies in strong central government and uncompromising control of the individual citizen.
In that sense, Linkola’s agenda is really nothing new; it is as old as humans. And I am barely scratching the surface; Linkola has called for “some trans-national body like the UN” to reduce the population “via nuclear weapons” or with “bacteriological and chemical attacks”.
But really he is just another freedom-hating authoritarian — like the Nazis and Stalinists he so admires — who desires control over his fellow humans. Ecology, I think, is window-dressing. Certainly, he seems to have no real admiration or even concept of nature as a self-sustaining, self-organising mechanism, or faith that nature will be able to overcome whatever humanity throws at it. Nor does he seem to have any appreciation for the concept that humans are a product of and part of nature; if nature did not want us doing what we do nature would never have produced us. Nature is greater and smarter than we will probably ever be. I trust nature; Linkola seems to think he knows better. As George Carlin noted:
We’re so self-important. Everybody’s gonna save something now. Save the trees. Save the bees. Save the whales. Save those snails. And the greatest arrogance of all, save the planet. What? Are these fucking people kidding me? Save the planet? We don’t even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven’t learned how to care for one another and we’re gonna save the fucking planet?
There is nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The people are fucked. Difference. The planet is fine.
Linkola and similar thinkers seem to have no real interest in meeting the challenges of life on Earth. Their platform seems less about the environment and more about exerting control over the rest of humanity. Linkola glories in brutality, suffering and mass-murder.
Now Linkola is just one fringe voice. But he embodies the key characteristic of the environmental movement today: the belief that human beings are a threat to their environment, and in order for that threat to be neutralised, governments must take away our rights to make our own decisions and implement some form of central planning. Linkola, of course, advocates an extreme and vile form of Malthusianism including genocide, forced abortion and eugenics.
But all forms of central planning are a dead end and lead inexorably toward breakdown; as Hayek demonstrated conclusively in the 1930s central planners have always had a horrible track record in decision making, because their decisions lack the dynamic feedback mechanism present in the market. This means that capital and labour are misallocated, and anyone who has studied even a cursory history of the USSR or Maoist China knows the kinds of outcomes that this has lead to: at best the rotting ghost cities of China today, and at worst the mass starvation of the Great Leap Forward resulting in millions of deaths and untold misery.
Environmentalists should instead pursue ideas that respect individual liberty and markets. There is more potential in developing technical solutions to environmental challenges than there is in implementing central planning.
If we are emitting excessive quantities of CO2 we don’t have to resort to authoritarian solutions. It’s far easier to develop and market technologies like carbon scrubbing trees (that already exist today) that can literally strip CO2 out of the air than it is to try and develop and enforce top-down controlling rules and regulations on individual carbon output. Or (even more simply), plant lots of trees and other such foliage (e.g. algae).
If the dangers of non-biodegradable plastic threaten our oceans, then develop and market processes (that already exist today) to clean up these plastics.
Worried about resource depletion? Asteroid mining can give us access to thousands of tonnes of metals, water, and even hydrocarbons (methane, etc). For more bountiful energy, synthetic oil technology exists today. And of course, more capturable solar energy hits the Earth in sunlight in a single day than we use in a year.
The real problem with centrally-planned Malthusian population reduction programs is that they greatly underestimate the value of human beings.
More people means more potential output — both in economic terms, as well as in terms of ideas. Simply, the more people on the planet, the more hours and brainpower we have to create technical solutions to these challenges. After all, the expansion of human capacity through technical development was precisely how humanity overcame the short-sighted and foolish apocalypticism of Thomas Malthus who wrongly predicted an imminent population crash in the 19th century.
My suggestion for all such thinkers is that if they want to reduce the global population they should measure up to their words and go first.



we shall begin by eliminating the evil capitalist comb manufacturers and their running dog lackies ...
The Geico caveman trying to bring us back to "the good old days"
Reducing the population is something they know they MUST do if they want to maintain their standard of living...
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-elite-believe-that-you-are-ruining-their-planet-and-they-want-you-to-stop-reproducing
great read!
Al Friggin Gore !!!!
I know it's probably just a rumor, but I'm hearing he's about to replace Sibelius as Secretary of Health & Human Services.
don't you just love the communist facist ideal........this imbecile refers to communists three times and national socialist once. oh wait...it's spring in finland, hibernation is over, he will drop the national socialist reference when he gets enough sunlight.
Where's Anders Brevik when civilization needs him again? Frankly, we just can't get rid of too many authoritarian collectivists.
There are way too many people that's for sure. But mostly there are way too many cats, note to neighbors, keep your urine-smelling cats out of my yard ! God I hate cats. Now back to your scheduled programming.
Mr Linkola's views are no different than the views of most U.S. college professors today.
dup
a man who demands that the human population reduce its size to around 500 million and abandon modern technology and the pursuit of economic growth — in his own words.
Cool Jewel, someone hand that doped up, drunk bstd a pistol, and say OK,. YOU GO FIRST.
We'll see how serious he is.
So... which elite think-tank sponsors this goon?
The German Imperial family.
It's a new group called Alinsky's Manchurians.
comforting to know President O'Marxist has been a lifelong member
The House of Hanover...oops, I mean Windsor.
He's just pissed he paid 55euro for FB this morning.
sorry but socialists don't pay for anything, they want it all for free or paid by theiving from the better off (achievers)
This man really needs a nice Greek vacation.
I think his picture needs to have a Geithner or Bernanke face photoshopped in!
A great suggestion. How does he justify wearing clothes, using electricity, or sitting in a building? May he please exit earth and spare us the pollution of his words.
Oh yeah, and get a fucking haircut!
He looks like a screwball and snippets of his most screwball positions will be carefully propagated to get him dismissed.
But the truth is . . . it's going to happen. Oil scarcity will do this. People won't choose it. It will just happen.
In that context, this screwball is too optimistic. His proposals all imply people are masters of their own fates. They aren't.
You sir are an IDIOT!
There is no scarcity of oil! There is a scarcity of sweet light crude that can be produced at $20/bbl. However, at $100/bbl the Canadian Tar Sands and Orinoco belt are very viable. That represents two additional Saudi Arabias worth of production – although it will take 1-2 decades to get them to 10mm bbls/day EACH! At $100 the US’s best shale oil fields (Eagle Ford, Bakken) are viable using fraccing and insitu production. That is believed to be sufficient to take US production to 10mm bbls/day. At $150 we can start mining the MASSIVE oil shales under the Rockies like they do in Canada. Of course, I’m guessing you are too ignorant to be capable of having a field-by-field discussion regarding all of the world’s potential sources of oil.
BTW there is no such thing as “oil”. There are hydrocarbon chains that stretch from Methane (C1) Ethane (C2) Propane (C3) Butane (C4)… C5,C6,C7,C8,C9,C10, C11, C12… Are you describing oil as Naptha+? Of I guess you are too ignorant to know your hydrocarbon chains…
Regardless, even if there is a scarcity of high carbon chains (“oil”) there is a cubic butt-load of low carbon chains (Natural Gas). The US gas shales contain something like 1,000 TCF of recoverable C2. China has 1,500 TCF. Basically anywhere there has or is a significant amount of coal (US, Canada, East Europe, Russia, China, Australia, South Africa etc…) there are massive amounts of shale gas. Shale is REVOLUTIONARY. Instead of having to find a source rock, find sufficient porosity to allow flow and find a traditional reservoir to exploit, we can produce almost anything with sufficient source rock – oil & gas! But I’m guessing you have no idea how oil & gas exploration even works!
Then you have non-traditional forms of hydrocarbons… Coal-to-gas, coal-bed methane, tundra methane AND THE BIG DADDY OF THEM ALL Deep Sea Methane Hydrates – which contain THOUSANDS of times more hydrocarbons then every oil & gas field ever discovered put togeather.
The you go on to solar, wind, nukes, geo thermal etc… At a high enough price we can drill below the mantle of the earth and use lava to provide energy! But the big daddy here is TIDAL energy. Using anchors, bouies and traditional friction generators you can produce infinate energy offshore, use it to turn seawater into hydrogen and send it ashore. Sure the price might require $500 oil to be competitive - We'll see.
In short, it’s all about PRICE. Right now the world spends 10% of GDP producing energy. Maybe over the next 100 years that has to go to 20%, but it doesn’t require the world’s population to shrink by 90%!!!
An you sir, are a deluded fool that has no concept of EROEI....
And let me guess, all that C02 will magically be teleported in space?
So, what is the break-even point on EROEI for hard-to-get oil? We already know that EROEI on energy soruces other than oil and nat gas is low, due in no small part to existing infrastructure (or lack thereof), but primarily due to energy qualities of oil and nat gas.
it's constantly changing which is a big part of the problem and platform our world is built upon
I wonder what's the EROI on Thorium?
While you are at it, compute the mpg for Thorium as well... That's miles per gram in case you were wondering...
Visualize what "hard to get" oil means.
If you've been drilling for 120 years and getting oil out, and if you had no gravimeter technology at all, you would CERTAINLY have harvested everything you were going to harvest. Each earthquake that might bring some up and tell you to drill there would have happened.
But then torsion instruments arrived and 3D gravimeters and maps of the bubbles of porous rock have been made, and the most promising of those rock structures have been drilled. Even with this excellent 3D mapping technology, it still requires 3 holes drilled to hit oil. The truth is the database of "promising structures" is probabilistic. You say "this looks like a structure with oil in it", you drill, and there's none there. That's true 2 of every 3 holes drilled.
And so this tells you the effort required to drill 3 holes is the price of one successful one, and we'll put aside the size of the bubble targetted for a moment. It takes the E of 3 holes drilled to get ROI from a successful hole.
But time has passed. The bubbles in the 3D imagery are smaller and smaller. This means 2 things, they are harder to hit, elevating the 3:1 ratio to maybe 4 or 5:1, and when you are successful, there is less to harvest, because the bubble is smaller.
So EIROI worsens as time passes. A technology jolt to identify full bubbles better can help, but as the bubbles get relentlessly smaller, all you can do is slow the ratio growth of 3:1 to 4:1 to 5:1. And you can't do anything about there being less coming up even if you have 1:1.
Economists want to measure all this in dollars. Just put all that aside. Money is an artificial concept. The measure is in BTUs in for BTUs out. That number worsens every day.
You don't really have to do a computation on this. Just look at the big picture. Why drill in 30 degree below zero weather? Why drill in a mile of ocean? You could drill under the center of Cuba if oil was easy and everywhere. You think Cuba's environmental protection concerns would mean a thing to them if there was oil under the center of the island? No. They don't drill there because there's nothing there. Extrapolate this to the planet.
We drill in bizarre places because there are no remaining promising structures anywhere else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHRvwNJRNag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGCj7NA0OIs
Remember this in case you ever need it to live off the grid.
Here is a video posted yesterday. It is an interview with the man's nephew who was involved in the development of the concept and now is commercializing a part. The only thing that I question is his use of the entire tree. His uncle used the "slash", the younger growth with the leaves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb4hF8CsRmM
Here is some insight into Bitumen....
Two More Ethical Challenges to Canada's Oil Sands
The age of extreme oil: ‘This used to be a forest?'
This is not winning by any stretch of the imagination....
You don't understand.
Money is a human invention. It doesn't exist in nature.
Physics does. The price of bringing natural gas from Titan to Earth for conversion to oil is measured in BTUs, or calories, or joules. It's not measured in dollars. In this context, oil is infinite and can be created from hydrocarbons . . . if you can pay the price, but you don't understand what price is.
Price is in effort. It is in infinite calories to feed the nearly infinite effort required to get the material from Titan to Earth, converted to oil, and de-orbited to the surface safely.
It will never happen. It costs too much. The same is true of all the difficult oil. It costs too much. It won't happen.
Consumption has to decline and there is no slack. About 6 billion people have to die. Soon.
Uhhh, what if the oil you are spending to move the oil from Titan comes from Titan?
Whoops.
Also, ignore Thorium. It does not exist.
Well Cliffie, last time I checked there wasn't a commercial reactor running on a thorium fuel cycle that was not a jury rigged experiment... Let's talk when we have a design that is viable and the Japanese and Germans are convinced to re-ante for the Nuclear game....
Typical idiotic rantings of death worshippers. You people never change, no matter how many times you are proven to be absolutely and totally wrong. I remember a converation I had with another idiot death worshipper on the theory of the ECAT technology, which if it were actually real, would allow for the fusion of hydrogen and nickel to create copper, such that the amount of nickel in a US nickel would power a home for a year. He claimed that it didn't matter, that we would run out of nickel and that we would then all die anyways.
Fucking lol at your dumbshit ideology.
I didn't realize Grizzly Adams was lobotomized.
Looked in a mirror and thought it best.
I'm sure he's volunteering to be the first sacrifice to get the ball rolling to save the planet.....
Lets start with him. Instead of using modern technology - lets use the most primative and barbaric manner of deposing of his polluting waste of a corpse.
I vote for using the ball from Phantasm.
Too modern, the old Norse Blood Eagle is a bit more appropriate here I think.
Lets start the mass killings with Pentti Linkola dying first!
Actually that is his philosophy exactly. He would gladly die if he could take millions with him.
If push came to shove? Guys like him, Hitler for example are all a bunch of fucking cowards.
Oh, now you've gona and done it.
Given "them" some new idea.
Watch, the CIA's gonna recruit him for a nice vacation to some "friendly" middle eastern country
"The best dictatorship would be one where lots of heads would roll and where government would prevent any economical growth."
They tried that. It was called the Khmer Rouge.
Yes, and I'm sure he would respond excitedly about how it was a rousing success. Some people want rivers of blood. Clearly they can't come out and say "I want to commit mass murder, who wil be my lackeys?" so they must move through movements and proxies. Same as it ever was, the masses are dumb cattle oblivious to the slaughterhouse.
How does he think the remaining 500 million people will be controlled without technology? Oh, I see, the elite will have all the technology like guns and mattresses and water filters, just so they can control the others. ... some animals are more equal than others. Same as it ever was.
Dennis the constitutional peasant
Fascism = Socialism = Communism = Mass Fucking Murder.
Got it?
Mass Fucking Murder = War = Good for "economic growth" = Happy Americans
Duh.
It's called democide.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM
It's the number one cause of death on planet Earth: being murdered by your own government.
shared definitions = human language = collectivism = totalitarianism = oppression = STFU
Do you get it yet?
STFU? Are you sure?
Do better. There's a reason we have these things called words.
Okay. Let's have a go, only this time none of these confusing "equals signs." Ready?
Fascism is the same thing as Socialism, which is the same thing as Communism, which in turn always - and I mean always - leads to mass murder.
It's called democide.
Here is a great resource to understand democide: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM
It's the number one cause of death on planet Earth: being murdered by your own government.
The numbers don't lie. If you prefer staying alive, then the conclusion to reach is that you would prefer freedom.
Return to Feudalism! Democracy can't be trusted. Peasants and yeoman singing while plowing fields, happy barrons and dukes with their pagentry. It was all so lovely!
Ok, I pick duke
I pick Dennis the Annoying Peasant
Anarcho Syndicalist Commune FTW, lol. . .
THANKS! Best laugh Ive had all week. I need some Monty Python after reading about this ecofascist...may he never come to power. However, Hitler was ignored and scoffed at before he rose to power after several unsuccessful tries so we shouldn't be complacent. May be I'll rent Life of Brian and have a good laugh at religion.
Miffed:-)
One too many shots of Koskenkorva for this human shipwreck.
nope. sorry. you are not binging me down today. put this finnish loser back in the closet until monday.
... gold is up, the s&p is down, the sun is out, the birds singing, & the FB IPO crashed & burned. what a GLORIOUS day ...
He doesnt have to demand it.... it will happen all by itself by no later than 2100....
The sugar is running out in the Petri dish and the Yeast have nowhere else to go... not to mention the thermostat is resetting....
Right. There will be no technological development in the next 88 years. These prophecies of doom and gloom are as old (and as broken) as humanity. Somehow this species always manages to pull through the predicted end.
The only thing comparable to what is on the horizon in human history is the Toba eruption from 75K BCE....
And even that is not a good comparison...
So you just finished reading "The Population Bomb", eh?
I read it when you were probably still a glint in Daddy's eye.....
My Daddy didn't starve to death like Dr. Ehrlich predicted he would. And in case you hadn't noticed, the 70's, 80's. 90's, and 00's came and went without the world running out of oil or plunging into mass starvation.
You're stuck in a time warp, Gramps. An aging flower child still waiting after all these years for the world to run out of oil and finally vindicate your generation's technophobic doom-fantasies.
What you fail to grasp is that if a prediction is made that something will happen and it is wrong by 50 years, the validity of the prediction is unchanged vis a vis the species...
Now for an ignorant little narcissist like yourself, well, lucky you, you got a reprieve. Moreover, it fits in your self-centered world view....
I also strongly suggest you review the following prediction made in 1981...
Hansen et al 1981
There is a nice discussion here.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/04/evaluating-a-1981-temperature-projection/
Hey, if the economists were half as good at predicting stuff 30 years down the line, we would be a in lot better shape....
I've never met an infinite petri dish - what's it look like?
our species has not been around long enough nor behaving this way long enough to test your last theory
I hadn't realized that the sun had disappeared, that the Earth had frozen to the core, and that all the world's fissile material, including thorium had totally disappeared, leaving us with only 88 years worth of fossil fuels.
I also hadn't realized that economics had stopped working, and that extrapolations always represent the future.
Jeepers.
it's good to know we're not killing over the old stuff but directing our resource on the new .
That's one choice piece of gator bait right there.
Georgia Guidestone much?
"a man who demands that the human population reduce its size to around 500 million"
Perhaps he could lead the way and start with himself?
So this is the jackass that created the Georgia Guidestones...
i agree with except for the strong central state. I think at 500 million; we could all just run around naked.
So did he commit suicide shortly after giving this speech?
Thought not!
pods
ROFL
Well since he advocates mass population reduction why doesn't he step up to the plate and lead by example and state his belief is so fervent that he will off himself?
Oh that's right..because he likely believes his great mind is an exception in order to see his plan come to fruition. So who exactly was he alluding to when he refers to freedom seeking individuals as, "our narcissistic selves".?
So easy to shut the climate folks up.
Why do the other planets' climates in the solar system follow the general climate trends that Earth's does?
Hint: It is not because there are too many cars on Mars.
Wait for it, there will be peer reviewed science claiming it's peer pressure.
Wow...
So pray tell, please explain your theory and maybe show some peer reviewed data supporting your hypothesis...we are all ears....
PS Your moniker says everything about your ability to differentiate fact from fiction....Care to discuss the Suess effect?
Starting with him.
So that's what happened to the scarecrow from the wizard of oz. "I want a brain" (in scarecrow voice).
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oz/images/vc55.jpg
Start with yourself Pentti bunghole
I don't believe in a technological solution. That's a 'conservative' pipe-dream. But I believe in human liberty. We're all going to end up with much lower living standrds, eventually...but we'll remain free.
And your conclusion - "My suggestion for all such thinkers is that if they want to reduce the global population they should measure up to their words and go first." - is silly. That kind of stuff reduces our argument to THEIR level...
That's a great point about reducing the argument to their level. People like this Unibomber-wannabe should be ignored. He really means that he hates America. Ironically we are the the innovative force on this globe that will solve these problems if we get our act together.
Once upon a time we innovated...
Then management figured the funding for institutions like Bell Labs was better suited to buying themselves beach estates in the Hamptons...
What innovative spirit was left was directed into shit like CDO^2...
No, he does not hate America per se, he hates selfish ignorant Narcissists that value materialism above all else....Unfortunately, the US seems to have more of these people than most places. Take it up with Milton Friedman...
It would be nice if we could just ignore people like this but they do have a tendency to become the likes of Anders Behring Breivik, or Tim McVeigh, or Adolph Hitler, or Slobby Milosevic, or Pol Pot, or OBL. For every dirty filthy mass murdering piece of shit that ever bombed a bus or blew up a jet or opened fire on a campus or took down a building or mailed a letter bomb or assassinated a leader there were warning signs that had they not been ignored would have prevented their murders. Here is a guy that comes right out and says he wants 6.5 billion people to die with no wasting time about it, and the only way to do that I can think of is either biological attacks or nuclear attacks that trigger the BIG one. Maybe and probably he cannot pull it off, maybe he just wants to inspire someone that can and will. Maybe he is just a sick little attention fucktard. Can we still afford to allow such freedom to publically braodcast a desire for genocide? I say the man is sick and should be institutionalized until we are sure he is "better."
While not defending him, he is no sicker than a number of fucktards here at the Hedge.... And you have been here long enough to know damn well what I am talking about....
Apparently he has no offspring, if that is indeed the case, then he has done a lot more for the long term viability of the planet than most if not all of the people calling for his head here...
That is entirely true, he may even be here at ZH himself, he would blend in pretty well.
except that's not at all how humanity has worked up to this point. All of our solutions have been technological. They've often bred a whole new set of more complicated problems, but that's beside the point. Of course, that won't always be the case, but I'm not about to start betting against all of human history yet.
A more realistic view of where we're going? Try Jim Kunstler's writings. (He's a goldbug, too!) He says - and I agree - that there is no energy source powerful and efficacious enough to "keep all the cars running", i.e. nothing can be created to replace fossil fuells...
YET!
Tyler ~ Congrats! the FRIDAY HUMOR thread is getting funnier every week!
Long term exposure to Vodka results in this fellow -
He stops short of advocating the return of slavery...why? It's the most efficient way to run a feudal nation-state.
Isn't the return to slavery what all this peak oil/climate change crap is silently advocating for anyway? "Watch out sheeple, if you become too wealthy and free you might accidentally doom yourselves. But don't worry, if you submit yourselves to serfdom and mass population reduction at our hands you will all be saved!"
Doesn't Neanderthal Pentti Linkola realize his breed died out long ago?
Naw, his relatives did those caveman geico commercials for a while. Even had a very short run show on tv. LOL
And here I thought we were all done with Trav and his BS.
I know Trav is pretty despised but I miss him. Admit it, you do too!
Exactly as much as I miss Hitler.
Not suprising given the number of times he made you look like a complete fool....
Gillette razors may be overpriced so just give this prick some scissors.
First, off with the beard then off with his head.
hmmmmm
"My suggestion for all such thinkers is that if they want to reduce the global population they should measure up to their words and go first."
I agree but think we should take a more proactive and green approach with regard to these individuals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qWFhDvURLg
barliman
P.S. Of course, my recommendation for PETA'a animal testing concerns for drug development is using PETA members in place of the animals, so I may be ahead of the rest of you on this one.
You first, fuck face.
This guy's just quoting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
Regardless of what he, "the powers that be" or anyone else wants Mother Earth will take care of this problem herself.
Nick Nolte is Finnish???
only when he drinks a finnish product
he may share a hairdresser with Nolte, but his face is reminiscent of Prince Charles. . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HRH_The_Prince_of_Wales_Allan_Warren.jpg
rosy cheeked beady-eyed. . . in bred ^^
why would anyone spend money on carbon scrubbing trees when there's no costs associated with polluting (or, more accurately, the costs are externalized)
this is pretty nutty scaremongering against environmental regulation based on one crackpot
"The United States symbolises the worst ideologies in the world: growth and freedom."
Freedom in the US of A? Only the freedom to be spied upon and arrested. Our prison population is by far the highest in the world. The man is delusional. And the growth is of the fascist police state and the military-industrial complex Unless you want to include the corruption of Wall Street. And, of course, our debt.
This my favorite quote of his...
"We still have a chance to be cruel. But if we are not cruel today, all is lost."
Is he ok with being one of the ones chosen for eradication?
my very first thought too
This guy is against freedom AND democracy??
Reading the insane rants of guys like this makes me proud that I live in a country that has both. Thanks Tyler for Reminding me how lucky we are not to be ruled by genocidal eco fascist.
Great Article, well worth the time and effort to read.
Where the fuk do you live ?
Of course with that name, in a bottle.
Wait and see if The Gay Kenyan gets another term.
Freddie? that you?
"Those who love and respect life will take the ship’s axe and sever the extra hands that cling to the sides."
OK.
Can we start with his hands?
Save time and effort,
... just take his head.
barliman
The 'end' (here, at least) must be nigh when an otherwise overflowing font of arcana descends into silly asides such as this. Could 'zero' have shadow connotations? ... empty ... null ... pointless.
Read more >> Options >>Genocidal and "eco," sure, but where'd you get "fascist"?
The USA is fascist.
This guy's more a Hobbesian monarchist.
As is often the way with extremist central planners Linkola believes he knows what is best for each and every individual, as well as society as a whole:
I read the article, but I actually know what fascism means, and John apparently doesn't.
"But he embodies the key characteristic of the environmental movement today: the belief that human beings are a threat to their environment, and in order for that threat to be neutralised, governments must take away our rights to make our own decisions and implement some form of central planning."
One can smell the climate change denialist, Hearland Institue drone 10 light years away.
Guess what? It's not a Libertarian neolib economic paradigm that will allow the human race to survive. It is SMART (read: oriented toward the common good, a.k.a. beneficial to the greatest number of people POSSIBLE) economic development.
And THAT necessarily involve some dose of societal intervention in the economy, just like it has ALWAYS been, since the dawn of civilization.
There are hidden contradictions within the minds of people who “love nature” while deploring the “artificialities” with which “Man has spoiled ‘Nature.” The obvious contradiction lies in their choice of words, which imply that Man and his artifacts are not part of “Nature”--but beavers and their damns are. But the contradictions go deeper than this prima-facie absurdity. In declaring his love for a beaver damn (erected by beavers for beaver’s purposes) and his hatred for dams erected by men (for the purpose of men) the “Naturist” reveals his hatred for his own race--i.e., his own self-hatred. In the case of “Naturists” such self—hatred is understandable; they are such a sorry lot. But hatred is too strong an emotion to feel toward them; pity and contempt are the most they rate. As for me, willy-nilly I am a man, not a beaver, and H. Sapiens is the only race I have or can have. Fortunately for me, I like being part of a race made up of men and women-- it strikes me as a fine arrangement and perfectly “natural.” Believe it or not, there were “Naturists” who opposed the first flight to old Earth’s Moon as being “unnatural” and a “despoiling of nature.” -- Robert Heinlein
How does he make a living? I presume he is a teacher?.........
yes probably teaches economics, most of them are Marxists (ie. know jack shit about anything)
He does resemble a long-lost Krugman.
from his wiki,
it would appear he was / is drawn to "nature" vs. "humanity" - at least he stays true to his principles and appears to not have reproduced.
Hmmmm, draws a pension. Isn't that, metaphorically speaking, hanging on to the side of a boat while more youthful productive people row? I'd say some axe chopping is due. I guess that cost me a few more turns on the spit but it was worth it.
Miffed:-)
sounds like an eco-loon and looks like an eco-loon (retard)
best way for him to achieve reducing Earths population is for these eco creeps to top themselves ...go ahead toerags
Asteroid mining? I think that's a bit far off. It seems you're a firm believer in the ever rational investor that always prices things right...so I'm assuming from the rational FB IPO that you're all in right? This is a pretty falicious argument that tries to use one super whacko and paint him as the face of the environemtnal movement. You do realize there are people who both believe in capitalism and in helping to stop over-pollution right and that there is no cognitive dissonance between the two. If you like people who don't give a fuck about the planet why not move to China they seem to be leading the way.
It's easy to see the death wish in this guy.
It's not as easy to see the death wish in a statement like: "The human race should live within its means, and in balance with the the Earth."
No, it shouldn't. The earth is a womb, and the human race is a baby. You don't get to stay in the womb forever. And if you try, we wait for a while -- and then we come in and get you.
If the Earth has begun to feel uncomfortably small -- yeah. It's supposed to. That's not because you did something wrong, it's because you did something right.
The people who are saying that you have to stop growing are not friends to your species.
Interesting take. Reminds me of the massive societal self confidence displayed by scifi writes around the early 20th century. Guys like John W. Campbell.
Ha, Pentti, relax! GE Boiling Water Reactor Mark 1s will beat your numbers, considerably and take us further down the de-evolutionary path!
LEAN FORWARD AND CHOKE YOURSELF!
Can we stop the posturing and just get the hot war with the socialists, progressives and other assorted fruits and nuts started?
Gunnery sgt Hartman is in da house
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQfbJuBLDak
You'll never be able to recognize your targets, moron. Don't look for an excuse, just do us all a favor and go shoot someone already.
That'll help a lot.
Junk away you fucking hippies. You know it's going to happen, sooner or later. You and Mungo Jerry from this article vs. all the working people who have been paying for your sorry asses. Paying for your parasitic existence, be it in the ivory towers of politics, or academia and all the way down to those stinking wino's living in piss soaked carboard boxes out behind the local Aldis store.
Just wait for the sugar tit to stop dripping ambrosia. Then we'll play cowboys vs. idiots.
God damn I can barely wait!
You gonna bark all day, lil'dog, or you gonna bite?
I'll wait, if impatiently. not about to piss it all away just so some blue chambray shirt wearing drone like you can step in after the dust settles.
You're going to have to haul your own water on this next round. You up to it? Or you living in some outer loop metro-sexualopilis and escaping reality with your lard ass fantasy baseball league buddies?
and the targets are already on the list. On deck we have the state child molester index, convieniently printed with color photo for ID and last know address.
They get to be the examples.
I knew it. Just like your boyfriend toegunner: all mouth, no balls.
I'm not interested in shooting people. You mindless apes have been murdering each other for a million years and it hasn't fixed anything yet. I certainly don't jerk myself off to such fantasies.
I DO, however, respect *your* freedom to do so. Isn't it great to be an Amercian?
Enjoy.
you're probably one of the child molesters.
Go eat shit.
First cup of kool aid goes to the idiot with the mic.
The Jonestown Death Tape, Rev. Jim Jones. Pt 5/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJFaqrU3HfQ
Ah, a "thinker" - well now, for a minute there this had me going - but now I see it's just Tom Waits after "they" got to him....
Why doesn't Linkola start things off by removing himself from the planet? He would not be missed.