I am not exaggerating.
This is Finnish writer Pentti Linkola — a man who demands that the human population reduce its size to around 500 million and abandon modern technology and the pursuit of economic growth — in his own words.
He likens Earth today to an overflowing lifeboat:
What to do, when a ship carrying a hundred passengers suddenly capsizes and there is only one lifeboat? When the lifeboat is full, those who hate life will try to load it with more people and sink the lot. Those who love and respect life will take the ship’s axe and sever the extra hands that cling to the sides.
He sees America as the root of the problem:
The United States symbolises the worst ideologies in the world: growth and freedom.
He unapologetically advocates bloodthirsty dictatorship:
Any dictatorship would be better than modern democracy. There cannot be so incompetent a dictator that he would show more stupidity than a majority of the people. The best dictatorship would be one where lots of heads would roll and where government would prevent any economical growth.
We will have to learn from the history of revolutionary movements — the national socialists, the Finnish Stalinists, from the many stages of the Russian revolution, from the methods of the Red Brigades — and forget our narcissistic selves.
A fundamental, devastating error is to set up a political system based on desire. Society and life have been organized on the basis of what an individual wants, not on what is good for him or her.
As is often the way with extremist central planners Linkola believes he knows what is best for each and every individual, as well as society as a whole:
Just as only one out of 100,000 has the talent to be an engineer or an acrobat, only a few are those truly capable of managing the matters of a nation or mankind as a whole. In this time and this part of the World we are headlessly hanging on democracy and the parliamentary system, even though these are the most mindless and desperate experiments of mankind. In democratic coutries the destruction of nature and sum of ecological disasters has accumulated most. Our only hope lies in strong central government and uncompromising control of the individual citizen.
In that sense, Linkola’s agenda is really nothing new; it is as old as humans. And I am barely scratching the surface; Linkola has called for “some trans-national body like the UN” to reduce the population “via nuclear weapons” or with “bacteriological and chemical attacks”.
But really he is just another freedom-hating authoritarian — like the Nazis and Stalinists he so admires — who desires control over his fellow humans. Ecology, I think, is window-dressing. Certainly, he seems to have no real admiration or even concept of nature as a self-sustaining, self-organising mechanism, or faith that nature will be able to overcome whatever humanity throws at it. Nor does he seem to have any appreciation for the concept that humans are a product of and part of nature; if nature did not want us doing what we do nature would never have produced us. Nature is greater and smarter than we will probably ever be. I trust nature; Linkola seems to think he knows better. As George Carlin noted:
We’re so self-important. Everybody’s gonna save something now. Save the trees. Save the bees. Save the whales. Save those snails. And the greatest arrogance of all, save the planet. What? Are these fucking people kidding me? Save the planet? We don’t even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven’t learned how to care for one another and we’re gonna save the fucking planet?
There is nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The people are fucked. Difference. The planet is fine.
Linkola and similar thinkers seem to have no real interest in meeting the challenges of life on Earth. Their platform seems less about the environment and more about exerting control over the rest of humanity. Linkola glories in brutality, suffering and mass-murder.
Now Linkola is just one fringe voice. But he embodies the key characteristic of the environmental movement today: the belief that human beings are a threat to their environment, and in order for that threat to be neutralised, governments must take away our rights to make our own decisions and implement some form of central planning. Linkola, of course, advocates an extreme and vile form of Malthusianism including genocide, forced abortion and eugenics.
But all forms of central planning are a dead end and lead inexorably toward breakdown; as Hayek demonstrated conclusively in the 1930s central planners have always had a horrible track record in decision making, because their decisions lack the dynamic feedback mechanism present in the market. This means that capital and labour are misallocated, and anyone who has studied even a cursory history of the USSR or Maoist China knows the kinds of outcomes that this has lead to: at best the rotting ghost cities of China today, and at worst the mass starvation of the Great Leap Forward resulting in millions of deaths and untold misery.
Environmentalists should instead pursue ideas that respect individual liberty and markets. There is more potential in developing technical solutions to environmental challenges than there is in implementing central planning.
If we are emitting excessive quantities of CO2 we don’t have to resort to authoritarian solutions. It’s far easier to develop and market technologies like carbon scrubbing trees (that already exist today) that can literally strip CO2 out of the air than it is to try and develop and enforce top-down controlling rules and regulations on individual carbon output. Or (even more simply), plant lots of trees and other such foliage (e.g. algae).
If the dangers of non-biodegradable plastic threaten our oceans, then develop and market processes (that already exist today) to clean up these plastics.
Worried about resource depletion? Asteroid mining can give us access to thousands of tonnes of metals, water, and even hydrocarbons (methane, etc). For more bountiful energy, synthetic oil technology exists today. And of course, more capturable solar energy hits the Earth in sunlight in a single day than we use in a year.
The real problem with centrally-planned Malthusian population reduction programs is that they greatly underestimate the value of human beings.
More people means more potential output — both in economic terms, as well as in terms of ideas. Simply, the more people on the planet, the more hours and brainpower we have to create technical solutions to these challenges. After all, the expansion of human capacity through technical development was precisely how humanity overcame the short-sighted and foolish apocalypticism of Thomas Malthus who wrongly predicted an imminent population crash in the 19th century.
My suggestion for all such thinkers is that if they want to reduce the global population they should measure up to their words and go first.



OT: SVU going down.
curious why China has a billions of peoples? monetary inflation is what causes population growth plus almost every other problem we face today. and what causes monetary inflation growth? statism.
Here's a great lecture about John Holdren, the current Obama White House senior sci/tech advisor, and his alignment with eco-fascism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RPUhf4kEQs&t=29s : analyzing exerpts from Holdrens own book "Eco Science."
Yeah, like who put Holdren in as God?
He's the first one I'm going to long drop with a short rope, motherfucker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DgS7GJ0rbY
Humans have a choice: we can abandon growth or growth will abandon us.
Oops, I feel the red arrows coming. So, junkers, what is growth to you? Not GDP, right? Whatever measure you use, how are you going to "grow?" Some analysis please, not whining that we've always grown. And growth net of debt has been negative for a long time.
Why do all of these guys look like the Unibomber?
If he really believes the Shit he's selling, we need to see his obituary like tomorrow.
I view the advent of humanity as an extinction level event but I am not willing to push the button like he is.
He is living proof that TPTB, Bilderhamburgers, elites, etc., are not perfect after all. Anonymous sources have informed me that Pentti Linkola's mother was originally scheduled into an abortion clinic but through some administrative oversight her son was born anyways. This poor boy should have been returned to the gene vats years ago. No reason to upset the sheeple needlessly.
Thanks ZH for offering this humorous story to balance off the Facebook soap opera on the other channels.
He could at lest have the decency to lead by example and kill himself. Because that just might be the trigger sheeple appreciate enough to start the herd thinning required to get us to 500MM global population.
This is an act to attract kinky chicks. Worked for Chucky Manson.
I ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT HAPPENED TO JIM FOR TAXI
I think that's Geithners dad.
think it's Timmays sister
Mrs. Bernanke.
A democracy can not function without a well behaved population. Unfortunately, it also attracts parasites like ants to a pic nic.
There's a group on You Tube that's demanding a reduction to 100 million although they are a little unclear on how to get rid of 98% of those not chosen to live.
U.S. Foreign policy is well on the way to achieving their goal.
"Simply, the more people on the planet, the more hours and brainpower we have to create technical solutions to these challenges."
This is supposition. I agree that what this man proposes is awful, but the counteragrument that it's opposite is true is not an honest assessment either.
George Bush grew his beard out?
He stole that 'save the planet' bit from George Carlin. Nearly verbatim...it was a lot funnier when George said it...
The Finnish Deliverance banjo-player.
And, little ole me, I think that people the talk and look like the una-bomber should be locked up on the same island with the degenerate banksters. And yes, that would include Loyd Bankfeind and Jamie Demon.
this fucktard should be the first to volunteer for extermination.
exactly. Lead by example.
A distant relative of David Rockefeller, and a U.N. plant with Bill Gates tendencies. IMO.
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If he's trying to start a religion, he better come up with a magic trick and a narrative of an "afterlife"
This is the Durden version of ZH COTTON CANDY.. tasty and delightful, but empty calories. Fun for a Friday
Were you around for Bang Dae-Ho Fridays?
the ultimate question to which nobody knows the anwser : is democracy and free will the rule of the donkey herded by the wolf? If so lets go back to philosopher king- royal absolutist power where the buck stops. Its you, the best and chosen ONLY ONE, its NOT the general good and the "will of the people" that decides the fate of nation.
This is a philosophical issue and a deep but simple examination of the human species : do we deserve individual free will being accorded to people hooked on "american idol" and similar no brainers. Can humanity survive its own herd instinct to reproduce and ask the elites who work their butts off to pay for " compulsory entitlements", the basic instinct of "vile" humanity?
Good question, until you see those who morph the philosopher king into a neo-fascist populist dictator. Then you say maybe, maybe, elected democracy is the least deformed of all political systems. Its a chilling testimony on human potential for collective regression.
There is no "deserve". Deserve requires an individual to assess it (pure subjection).
I would say that humans should be allowed to destroy themselves. It is the most ethical thing. Your argument defines a goal, which is survival. If this is the case, your argument will always be pragmatic and will often fall on the side of dictatorship/control.
If I read you right you don't believe in the Jefferson's claim of "inalienable rights" !
Destructive creativity is for non humans; thats the basic claim of universal human rights as I understand it. Of course, HR is a value system and Dogma....so...
No, I do believe in them. I am talking about this in the context of the collective not the individual. It's the "rather die on my feet than live on my knees" principle. It's better to see society crumble than to have it survive under dictatorship.
dictatorship is philosopher king morphed, democracy becomes the sloppy entitlement statist government when IT morphs, my point is which of the two is worse; man's ideals get corrupted and the system, either of the two, morphs. In your opinion, dictatorship is worse. I agree. Its better to have democracy and free will, however stinky and sticky it may get. I don't like donkey turd more than the next guy! But I hate dictator turd worse.
Right. The point of my first post is that if you cling to the "survival" of humans as a goal then you will almost always make concessions to reach that end, and it will morph, as you say, into something terrible. If one can forget about survival as a goal then one can be free to make decisions based on what is right rather than what is expedient. Once collective survival is a prerequisite to all decision-making, tyranny is not far behind.
you have said it better than I; as somebody once said "survival of species", aka supreme expediency, is what drives all human society, right or wrong. I Remember a phrase I think most people admit as the ultimate rule for defining civilzation's will to survive. It was allegedly said by Talleyrand, after NApoleon's "fault", his Moscow moment and subsequent national demise. It went "It was worse than a crime it was a fault".
THe implication is that "right" and "wrong" defines "crime", whereas survival of french nation or civilization, as jeopardised by Napoleon's 'militarist' strategy, was considered worse than crime; a fault. Metternich's conference retained that conclusion and it has become historical reference as what all dictators deserve, as they incarnate a civilization's "fault" and not just an individual "crime". I guess since the Holocaust, 'fault' is now defined as 'crimes against humanity'. So this is moot issue....and stays so.
Does he know the Ice Man? Looks like they may be some DNA there.
ok, you're in AK
but don't be channeling valKilmer's imaginary mug shot, here now, silver_hawg; that ain't jim morrison...
...is it?
Apocalypse Now Intro: The Doors The End
I'm not advocating mass murder...but there is a chance we need to address population growth and/or resource depletion on a finite planet.
I think he gets his 500MM number from the maximum number of people that the planet can sustain assuming every arable square foot was growing food and the only source of energy for plant growth was sunlight. Might have been a professor at Caltech that generated the original figure.
In any case think of 2.5%-3.0% Real GDP meaning that over the next 25 years we will use as much in resources as we used in all of history up until today. Tough to see how this ends well.
Some will argue that something will be invented and we can drive cars that run on bacteria, etc etc. Not sure.
And as far as the US and resource depletion is concerned, can't see them agreeing to a China-type one-child policy since that doesn't fit the biblical version of earth os an infinite resource sink.
Just throwing it out there, and again, think a one-child policy is required, but can't see US agreeing. And at some point they will annex Canada. So basically my kids are screwed.
Cue trolls...
you can have a one-child policy if you want ...i'd prefer it if you had a no-child policy quite frankly as we're better off not replicating village idiots
the US is already reducing its resource use, it's called a tanking economy.. th US has already surpassed the wildest dreams of the eco loons aims back in 2009 with your energy reduction ..you should be happy but i'm guessing you're always a miserable sod
regards population control there's no better place to start than looking in the mirror. I can lend you a knife, rope or live wire with 200 volts if you need help (i'm generous like that toward lefties)
I'm no troll, but you have it wrong. And the 500MM comes from the Georgia Guidestones -- well known Illuminati / NWO factoid.
If there is any suffering caused by shortages of resources, its because governments and societies poorly manage what they have, NOT because of 'overpopulation'.
Who is to decide what arbitrary number of humans that should be alive at a given point in time? How naive of you to play right into the eco-fascists hands.
One-child policy? I have SIX children, and they will create value and a better society than defeatists like you. It may not be in the US, but that's only because the country has been hijacked and sold out long, long ago, and they don't deserve to be shackled to a life of debt imprisonment.
The only Stones I know are the geriactric touring ones...
The prof was David Goodstein at Caltech. I think his lecture was online.
In any case, people seem to split into 2 camps, resource depletion or technology saves the day.
As far as capitalism giving better market signals, capitalism doesn't factor in environmental damage. Thats why Government has to subsidize clean energy.
The only Stones I know are the geriactric touring ones...
The prof was David Goodstein at Caltech. I think his lecture was online.
In any case, people seem to split into 2 camps, resource depletion or technology saves the day.
As far as capitalism giving better market signals, capitalism doesn't factor in environmental damage. Thats why Government has to subsidize clean energy.
capitalism doesn't factor in environmental damage.
It does EVENTUALLY. Why do you think so many rich Chinese are buying property in Vancouver?
They finally have the cash to move out of a toxic waste dump.
In Hotel Rwanda they used machetes to solve their problems.
Ever hear of the Georgia Guide Stones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
Pentti...is that you talking in the basement?!....come upstairs and eat your peas!
"My suggestion for all such thinkers is that if they want to reduce the global population they should measure up to their words and go first.'
precisely!
The reason for resource shortages and constraints is always related to government and/or poor resource management, and is not a symptom of overpopulation as these dirtbags would have all of us believe.
Climate change is a a means to an end for monsters like this -- control over everyone's activity, government sponsored mass murder, and power to the elites like themselves.
I'm sure this guy would LOVE to have his finger on the button to launch the nuclear arsenal, wipe out civilization and watch it all burn, just to prove his point.
He's a disgrace to his country and a traitor to the human race.
Events that humans enjoy so much, like the dolphin slaughter, clear cutting, Fukishima, drag trolling, driftnets, trophy hunting, genocide, GMO's, religion and all that good stuff is going to fill his wishes anyway...so what's the problem?
funny, he has it EXACTLY backwards, the betterment of mankind lies not in one person making decisions for all, but rather in many people utilizing the massive amount of distributed information residing within billions of individuals. no one person can know as many as 1 billion, it's impossible.
what a jackwad.
He should be third... after Blankfein and Dimon and Geithner and Holder and Shapiro and Gensler and Bush and Cheney and Wolfowitz and Sumers and Card and Buffett and Zukerturd and Pelosi and Boener and Kyl and Jerimiah Wright and Jesse and all new Black Panthers and Merkel and Van Rompey and lagarde and all lobbyists and all illegals and all muslims. Er... did I lose count?
This guy looks like someone you would want to take advice from (not).
Why do all the assholes on both sides of the pendulum wear fucking beards?
As I suspected the Narcissists are in full bloom in this one.... I have a little insight for you though, Earth don't give a fuck about your delusions of self importance and your "god-given"liberty...
He can fuck off about what should be done - but opinions either way are meaningless... If we overshot, then so be it - fighting the markets or fighting the Fed ain't nothing like fighting a return to natural equilibriums.. We read Chris Martenson, Simmons, etc. on peak oil - what's the outcome there? Food shortages and an economic collapse? It isn't that humans per se are bad for the planet, but when our lifestyles move away from sustainability within a system, doesn't that suggest collapse or a necessary adjustment? When the oceans and space around the planet are both garbage patches, maybe we've lost touch with what 'being' really amounts to. We've all heard it would take multiple Earths if every human were to live like an average American.
He's onto something, but in the same way Bill Gates and Monsanto are.. Global control by those that really know and are assuming control for our mutual benefit (in backroom discussions) - should be quartered and ground for soylent. People should demand that problems, no matter how difficult, are addressed in the open.
There's a bumper-sticker - "Saying there are too many children is like saying there are too many flowers"
Only time will tell - but I get the feeling we will not 'solve' any problem pro-actively - politicos and TPTB have no long term thinking and are reactionary to all our detriment. Our transportation issues will be noted and addressed only when thousands of cars are stranded in driveways.
We may end up along the same lines as Pentti 'dingle-berry' Linkola thinks, but doubtful he'll be around to enjoy our new-found space.
I wonder what his family thinks of his ideas.
Obama's latest CZAR - of Population Right-Sizing
"Environmentalists" ARE the status quo!
Environmentalism is ALL about managing resources for explotation.
Murray Bookchin, whom it is claimed, coined the term "environmentalism," renounced this term.
From http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bookchin/reader/intro.html
Bookchin made this distinction in November 1971, in "Spontaneity and Organization," anchoring it, as always, in a social and political matrix:
Rather than jump into knee-jerking about social planning/Eco-fascism and all I think it better served to first acknowledge that we have a FINITE PLANET, and that perpetual growth WILL result in problems for us. Anyone attempting to provide a "solution" when we haven't properly identified the "problem" SHOULD be dismissed, that I DO agree with.
If this asshole is truly honest about his views he must commit suicide on YouTube to set an example.
That's never the case in extreme views. It's like the Muslim leaders who send out the young boys to blow themselves up for the cause. They would never blow themselves up because they know the 40 virgins is bullshit. Or the limousine liberal who says we have to reduce our carbon footprint while they jet around the world from gigantic house to gigantic house. They aren't going to reduce their carbon footprint because they know it's bullshit.
And the con works everywhere. Reminds me of that other country where those young boys were told some muslims brought down their building
That's a whole other story.
with so many differing perspectives. . .
I'd like to thank the gentleman for finally addressing the problem -nay- plague, that is the overpopulational overconsumption of finite basic resources, with the tremendously cohesevive, fastidiously detailed and of course overwhelmingly intelligent solution of "nuke 'em".
Once every few moons comes a bearded luminary among men who lights the path for humanity, and I for one am eternally grateful for this natural-born leader.
*golf clap*
Then why don't you kill yourself.
And, please, record it on YouTube so that we can see what another asshole looks like.
Then why don't you kill yourself.
And, please, record it on YouTube so that we can see what another asshole looks like.
Dude looks like Jim Ignatowski from Taxi.
at least Jim could find a razor in the morning and any spot in New York
i've a feeling this leftie loon couldn't find his nose without State aid and assistence
The Unabomber's Brother
About as sharp too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HvmtbZzA40
One year of hard work on farm would cure his stupidity.
As usual, most stupid ideas come from people who don't work seriously.
if we got this guy to a farm i was thinking more along the lines of chopping him up to feed to the pigs ...he'd approve of being recycled i think
A lot of this is nothing new.
Jacques Cousteau publicly came out awhile back talking about how we need to drastically cut back the size of the human population for the good of the planet.
I believe the Rockefellers have been pushing eugenics for decades.
Soros & Bill Gates have been funding population control programs for years now. The last project I heard of was some less expensive abortion device that could be deployed on a large scale for rural areas in Africa etc.
I think it's on the agenda for at least some pushing the new world order.
Barbarianism and genocide are far from dead.
"Barbarianism and genocide are far from dead."
Pretty obvious when you see the stack of weapons that the US is holding, and the actual use of them, that it was NEVER in the dying state that some might think.
And religious books talk about waging "end of times" wars. WTF is new?
"I think it's on the agenda for at least some pushing the new world order."
There's always nut-job views. Diversity, however, tends to dilute these views.
What people think/want is meaningless. It is Nature that will decide.
"Whether we and our politicians know it or not, Nature is party to all our deals and decisions, and she has more votes, a longer memory, and a sterner sense of justice than we do."
- Wendell Berry
agreed Seer.
I wonder, is it always white/anglo-saxon/etc. that call for less of "humanity"? does anyone know of equivalents in the non-white populations?
genuinely curious.
Obama's base.
500 million is roughly what the Earth will support in a sustainable manner after the oil runs out. The population crash that gets us to that number will happen on its own without any voluntary effort on our part. LIke yeast, we'll consume all available resources until they are gone, after which our numbers will diminish.
500 million may be optimistic. It depends on how enthusiastically governments employ nuclear weapons as their influence wanes and how incompetently the remaining nuclear facilities are shut down when it is no longer possible to refuel them.
I also fully expect that someone will be blathering about government misallocation as we shiver around our campfires and enjoy our nice fresh roasted oppossom.
Fear-mongering and weak-minded garbage from a Malthusian-loving idiot.
You've clearly learned nothing from history.
And you've learned that Unicorns and Skittles are our "solution?"
Come on, bring it. Bring YOUR argument as to how a finite planet can sustain infinite growth.
Fucking math FAIL!
No, you'll continue to waltz through la-la land tossing out empty ad hominem attacks: how about you learn about what constitutes an ad hominem position/attack, or, do you deny this too? http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#hominem Yes, history told us that the earth was flat... perhaps you believe That? (which would provide the dimension necessary to reach out to infinity as you think exists here on earth)
Prove infinite growth before you insist someone defend it. Isn't it obvious that as people achieve a Western style standard of living their birth rates drop?
Who said anything about INFINITE growth?
History proves both Malthus and your thinking is wrong.
Simple as that, Seer Clownfart.
Fight CLUB bringin' it. Elbow to your jaw, sir. Good night.
How can you be so sure that Malthus was wrong. Maybe he was only a little bit early with his prediction.
What if govermnents enthusiastically employ nuclear reactors rather than nuclear weapons, sustaining the current power production through dwindling oil supplies? Oh, yea, we don't get the big human die-off if we go that route.
Hmmm... nuclear energy or six billion+ humans dead?
Nobody has to employ anything. If there are not enough ressorces to maintain nuclear reactors anymore they will go poof automatically.
This is straight out of that nutty, bad novel, Ludlum's The Lazarus Vendetta, a conspiracy story built on fear of nanotechnology. Linkola must have been impressed by it in 2004.
Ok, then let's start with him. You be the first dipshit, to drink the kool-aid and eliminate yourself. Oh, wait a minute I forgot; he's one of the self-appointed ruling elite that can make the rules but do what he wants. Do what I say, not what I do. WTF, why do we have to put up with douche bags like this?
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holishitoli, V!
we're getting attacked by eco-trolls!
this is fuking GREAT!!!
isn't that the plan?
I don't think this guy got hugged much as a child.
He was fed turds and stabbed with screwdrivers.
hat tip to Larry the Cable Guy
Here's the thing. Those who obstruct the inevitable move away from fossil fuels to some alternative energy that is as power dense and dependable are passively seeing that this creep's wishes come true - massive population collapse. There's not enough wind and solar power to support the world's population as it is currently, and the greenies know it. We could all live like Luke Skywalkers' aunt and uncle on some farm with a solar panel array and a methane generator - IF we lived at a density of one person per 10 ariable acres or so.
The pursuit of clean, safe and reliable nuclear technology might take centuries to meet its goal. In the interim thousands might die from nuclear accidents and millions more injured and/or have shortened life spans. However, without predicting the exact minute we run out of fossil fuels, certainly two hundred years hence we won't have a hydrocarbon-dependent society. At that time BILLIONS will have died and billions more left in severe distress. Nuclear sucks except for the alternative.
"There's not enough wind and solar power to support the world's population as it is currently, and the greenies know it."
Do you have a reference to a poll taken of the "greenies'" position on this?
But... as I posted above, "environmentalism" is really only the status quo of preserving resources for later exploitation. Clowns to the Left of me, Jokers to the Right... Two sides of the fucked-up coin. One side figures we can solve our resource shortage issues by increasing our extraction rates- strength through exhaustion; the other side figures we need to "manage" it so that we'll have it for, well, who the fuck knows? (the later allowing for another big scam of "technology will save us")
Environmentalism is a religion. Conservation is a science. The person you quoted tries to conflate the two.
People who are trying to sell us and our governmrnt that our future is in solar, wind, geothermal, etc., the alternative fuels, are knowingly setting humanity up for decimation, just not today.
Progressives for President Snow.
Elect Snow 2012
Cousin of Ted Kaczynski - minus the explosives - perhaps? No, on second thought, he probably does have explosives and a few AKs stored up.
Must be a Huff Post reader . . .
no he looks like a huntingdon neo-con, clash of civlizations, with the US as bad guy!
Too bad this guy's mother didn't share his beliefs before she excreted him.
the coming eruption will spew fear mongers, lunatics and criminals. sustaining clarity in a world horrifically challenged will be as essential to one's preparedness as gold.
He sounds like George Washington
Looks like TD. Wealth accumulation combined with austerity will lead to the same result, so what's the difference. Many ZHers will gladly eat Solyent Green anyway. Hippocrates LOL.
Only stupid fuckers, would fall for 'fake controversy' like this.
Disclaimer: I did not watch this video!
If you like hauling your fat asses around town in a Chevy Suburban or Tahoe, you support a lot of his ideas already. Peak Oil will force Americans to nuke China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, and Indonesia. The US will have to kill about 3 billion people so that they do not use up YOUR oil. Yes, cheap oil is your birthright. American democracy will make sure that the people get angry and demand that politicians lower oil prices. How will they lower oil prices? With a release from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve? No, they will lower prices by eliminating competition for oil.
If the US were a dictatorship, that would not happen. With a strong dictatorship, we would not have gridlock in Washington DC that cannot figure out how to repay the 15 trillion in debt. The dictator can cut Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security. He can put troops on the streets to make sure that riots cannot happen. That is how Chile reformed their social security system. Learn from Chile.
But because we have a democracy, politicians will pander for your vote. Did you vote for Newt Gringrich? He promised you $2.50 a gallon! Don't you get it? We cannot pay off the 15 trillion in debt. We can only nuke China and wipe out that debt. And eliminate their thirst for YOUR oil.
George Orwell
"nuke China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, and Indonesia"
Watch the movie "On the Beach".
You are behind the times. According to the GAO, the USA has oil reserves approximately equal to the rest of the world. We won't be nuking anyone, as that's a loser even after you win.
The people who agree with fool should volunteer to follow him:
"Save the planet, kill yourself!"
What higher calling can there be?
"According to the GAO"
Ha ha! That's funny!
"the USA has oil reserves approximately equal to the rest of the world"
No, PLEASEm stop! You're killing me! Oh, well, there IS a "magic" word in there now isn't there? -"approximately"- like That could be a fucking metric that one would NEED to cover one's ass, right?
It's MOOT. M - O - O - T! How much are you planning on using, at what RATE of consumption are you/we looking at?
Reserves are not equal to reserves. You must be able to afford the cost of recovering them.
You'll give us that dictatir first, who will then comand the nuking of China, India, Pakistan, etc. Like it or not, people have to, in some capacity, consent to the ascention of a dictator. It may well be that we would like the dictator to take the blame for nuclear holocaust rather than such a war be the action of a free and democratic people.
If he was truly committed to the plan, he would have offed himself at the end of the video. If he is going to stick around, he should consider a softer fashion statement.
This man is the ugliest mother fucker I've ever seen.
He looks like a Canadian character in the South Park series... but in real life.
Nice display of "critical thinking" - NOT! I think you need to back to watching Dancing With The Stars.
The problem with people like this guy is their misunderstanding of where we are and our current situation.
First off, the planet can't sustain 500 million people in an agrarian only society. Down that road lies global desertification of the entire world over a few millenia.
Second, the planet's "carrying capacity" for homo sapiens as hunter-gatherers (if you go back to that stage) is probably between 10 million and 50 million and the lower end of that is more likely.
Third, you can't ever go back to a purely hunter-gatherer society because people know about agriculture, even though it destroys arable land over a period of generations. Agricultural societies always have immediate benefits over hunter-gatherer societies. So in any competition amongst hunter-gatherers now, people will escalate to agriculture.
So really, the only possible direction is forward, with better technology, to improve agriculture towards permaculture methods, to better handle industrial wastes, etc. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. So humanity has only two options - move forward (and grow up, meaning we all become better educated and more responsible as individuals as well as improving our technology) or die.
Because, unlike what this twit wants, there's no going back to a purely agrarian or hunter-gatherer society. That cannot and will not happen so long as people retain fundamental knowledge about tool making and agriculture.
I'll recommend a book here to support you: http://www.abundancethebook.com/
Well, isn't that special
Can we get back to the facebook articles now?
Ted Nugent has really let himself go.
This guy's just a blowhard. Even the worst global wars haven't reduced the world population by 92%. The only way to do that would be nuclear war, which would defeat his ultimate goal of saving the environment.
Why even post this nonsense on here? Issue about whether we will be able to transition quickly enough away from oil to other sources for transportation without having massive economic pain/severe economic disruption is a very legit question but this nitwit isn't remotely talking about that.
"Vote for me and I will kill most of you via nuclear holocaust and germ warfare then rule over the remaining few or you with an iron fist." At least he's honest. All the other politicians tell us they give us vaccines, fluoride, and GMO foods cause they love us so much. It's refreshing to here someone come right out and say to the proles: "Die Motherfuckers! Die!"
Is that Ted Kaczynski?
It's not Ted Kaczynski , but his devoted admirer. I'm more convinced than ever that the ecofreaks are going to produce a Unibomber.
another useful idiot paid by the NWO agenda...
I want to offer a better vision: Expand life, understanding, liberty, fulfillment, and joy into every niche in the Universe. Let everyone choose and evolve as they wish within their means, balancing competing interests in favor of the individual unless it disproportionately harms the common weal. I look forward to the day when there are trillions of highly diverse transhumans spread across the galaxy, with thousands being my offspring.
Shit! Where do we line up to hold hands and sing Kumbaya?
Peek out there into the REAL world. Here's how IT works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAg7lAESdK4
Pure fulfillment and joy!
Why is it that these people never lead by example?
I don't have to read it to say: You first, Pentti.
Do you know Ted Turner? You must know the Swedish(?) gunman that killed a lot of population.
Norwegian gunman.
it is really unnecessary to preach such a gospel ... it only makes you unpopular with the local grocer.
Just sit back and relax. Watch it happen, it is better than any tv show or horror flick ever made!
So he doesn't believe that the earth can heal itself from the ravages of mankind, but the nuclear winter from dropping enough bombs to kill all but 500 million people would be no sweat for mother Gaia.
His bio says he fishes and sells his fish from a cart. I think somebody else is promoting him and maintaining the website.
If America were the epitome of growth and freedom, he might have a leg to stand on, but growth and freedom? Not here in America. Maybe growth tyrants can control, but not growth and freedom. Central planning as the answer? This fucker must be deaf, blind, and mute, because the only reason we're here is central planning. So fuck this guy, if he is really sincere, I would suggest he pony up and remove himself. As for only a half a billion left over to inhabit the earth, I'd say were on this track right now. I say lets front run the revolution, see www.nar2012.com.
"the only reason we're here is central planning."
BS. It's the same fucking GROWTH PATH, which was indoctrinated into us a LONG time ago (go forth and multiply...).
He's got to love the prospect of Fukushima--it might do the job on its own: leaking and leaning spent fuel pool #4 could, by itself, release more Cesium than the all previously exploded nukes. And it gets worse: If it lights up (1,534 fuel assemblies) the premises may well become unapproachable--then, without maintenance, cooling pumps fail and the common spent fuel pool (6,375 fuel assemblies) goes dry and lights up. There's a real question whether human civilization, or even life as we know it, will long survive such an event.
There are scores of such pools around the developed world, they all requre huge water volumes pumped through them--if the flow stops, the water gets hot, boils off then the fuel lights up and spews radioactive gases and particles--for a long, long time. I wonder if this dipshit has plans for maintaining the power and equipment infrastructure needed to keep this grinning death's head in it's box for the next 100s of 1000s of years?
Nuclear power was clearly a horrible choice, I'm sure this guy would agree. But now we are now stuck with an uncompromising and unforgiving legacy. Survivalists might consider: at this point, if civilization and modern technological infrastructure fails, this planet will become inhospitable to most life.
Michael Moore's Finnish cousin.
"My suggestion for all such thinkers is that if they want to reduce the global population they should measure up to their words and go first."
John Aziz, your ignorant attitude is why self inflicted global genocide will eventually occur in numbers greater than any reasonable long term plan to reduce population would ever incur.
Try standing in front of a moving freight train and tell it to get off the tracks before you do. Then let us know how that works out.
I think it's all pretty unmeasurable. About the ONLY thing I can say for CERTAIN is that the next glacial period is going to wreck havoc on nearly all biological lifeforms on this planet. Sharpen up on your cave-painting skills!
You first, muthafucka.
Let's get him to stand at the front of the line and take the first bullet for us all...
The immorality of the idea that we kill or simply let die 6.5 billion people exceeds even the scope of the Nazis in WWII.
The problems associated with overpopulation are critical and they will have to be dealt with or there will be mass die offs and those will be the lucky ones, but to suggest the answer is to kill billions is not, will never be, acceptable.
Technology itself cannot be undone, learning cannot be unlearned, and the environmental and humanitarian horrors of an abandonment of technology cannot be overstated. Technology and modern living might well appear to be the cause of a lot of problems but only because population has outstripped technology's ability to ameliorate many problems, in short, the rural agrarian model that represents our history to about 1700 can only support a population as the man suggests, but it required a lot of manpower which is not efficient and how we got overpopulated in the first place. The Ecotopia steady state economy is a futile mythical bit of bullshit that will never work.
Technology is on the verge of so many major breakthroughs that population will not actually be much of an issue for a while, though it is true that at some point humanity will have to radically curb it's propensity to breed itself to death, I doubt I live to see it but I predict that the day will come when governments around the world promote same sex family units while using their authority to discourage any random procreation. It will happen because population will not, in spite of UN population projections, level off by themselves.
I also think the problem encourages socialism because in tribal and more pure capitalist social systems the more sons you have the better your chances of survival to a ripe old age, and the powerful belief that the more you have the richer you will be, even if on a societal level the more begat the poorer all will be in the long-term. Social programs like SS have allowed people to go into old age without the worry of starving or being set adrift on an ice flow. They do not NEED to make 12 kids hoping for six of them to be sons.
If I had to choose between this guy's idea of how we survive and the mass die off of an eventual overpopulation event then I choose the die off. He should if he had any morality and belief in his positions be the first to volunteer to go. To suggest we kill billions to avoid a hypothetical future he does not care for is not only immoral beyond words it is psychotic.
This by the way is how I feel about the global warming clowns as well, because 99% of them are just a lite version of this asshole. And the irony that totally escapes them is that the more barking their ideas and "solutions" are the harder they make it for us to come up with REAL solutions. They are more responsible for the problems IMO than Monsanto, big oil, and unsnipped men.
Population growth is negative in most countries already, way below replacement rate. What modern day chemistry can't do, rat maze economics will take care of the rest.
That's pretty close to what I believe will happen. The third world's massive population growth is sustained only by the first world. Aid in food and medicine have allowed them to grow a huge population, however once that aid is removed, that population will become a breeding ground for disease. The West is about to become completely absorbed in it's own difficulties, and I suspect all aid will be cut off. and a massive plague will result.
"Technology is on the verge of so many major breakthroughs"
Technology is an IDEA, it's a set of INSTRUCTIONS, a RECIPE! It is NOT actual PHYSICAL resources. You're missing the entire critical point, and that's that there is insufficient resources to feed technology (which in turn feeds us).
I did NOT watch the video. I accept no one's "solution," not even the "let's look to 'solve' the 'problem' by continuing with the 'technology angle' [which is really the mechanism that allows TPTB continued to rule over us- technologists side up here so that they are well-treated slaves]" theory.
I am not saying we SHOULD continue technology as an option, I am saying we have no other option. And you are right that the physical resources can't yet be substituted or found faster and more economically at this point, but technology and knowledge is moving so fast that the world of science these days in case you have not been following it looks more like the world Harry Potter lives in than the world I was a child in (1960's). What technology allows us to do is create and accommodate more with less. And that knowledge base is doubling about every 18 months. Just one example would be virtually free non polluting energy where electricity is so cheap we pay a flat rate that covers administrative costs rather than have meters. That level of energy would make so many other things possible. We have the technology to do a lot of things that would help enrich all of man and clean our waste and improve the world, but the cost of energy makes them prohibitive.
And I disagree with the poster above that says the population is leveled off or declining. A few nations have seen declines, Italy is a good example. But the explanations for those few cases has nothing to do with long-term trends, and the USA which is the third most populous nation with a third of a billion people adds 11,000 per day. That is live births and does not count immigration. A major problem is the poorer a nation becomes the higher it's birth rate goes because when living quality goes down people instinctively try to make up for quality with quantity. The more people given the same resources the lower quality life goes and that is a vicious cycle.
The reason places like western Europe and the USA were able to improve economically even as populations soared was that advent of wildly productive technologies. That productivity is still rising but not incrementally as quickly as populations. Productivity leveled off. But the lesson from that is that in an environment where technology makes great leaps forward everyone gets relatively better off. Of course if the wild world of nature is to survive we have to stop urban and suburban sprawl, there should be incentives for building towers of 70-200 stories on existing city land with disincentives for private single family houses especially in the burbs. Much higher gasoline prices would be a good start. And these do not have to be draconian, we do not need to effect all changes on a five year plan, it only needs to be subtle pressure so that in 20 years or so we are well on our way to a better world. People do not take kindly to sudden changes, ask a gay man, they do not mind changes and even ones they violently dislike if they are phased in over a long enough time. But what this guy is talking about is not change, it is murder and destruction on a scale that would leave man little better than another primate with no hopes or aspirations or art. In order for his vision of the world to work there would have to be no lasting contributions, we would be organisms like plankton and nothing more.
There is no question the world will have to change, in some ways it will take a lot of getting used to, but I think also in a lot of ways we will all be happier for it, because that is what we do, we make the world a better place for those we love. And though it might not seem like it a lot of the time the world is a much better place than even 1958 when I was born and superpowers pointed nuclear missile at each other, or 15 years before that when the whole planet set out on a journey of war and death and genocide, or 50 years before that when the average life span of a newborn American was 48, or Athens of 2 BC when a male could expect to live 18 years. Most died before they understood the concept of lifespan.
I know something will have to be done because just this week scientists announced a breakthrough in longevity, they have found a way to keep mice (for now, human trials will begin within two years) alive 24% longer with a single treatment, not just alive but YOUNG and alive. A 24% increase in maximum lifespan is equal to 150 in a human.
First Gene Therapy Successful Against Aging-Associated Decline: Mouse Lifespan Extended Up to 24% With a Single Treatment
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120514204050.htm
ScienceDaily (May 14, 2012) — A new study consisting of inducing cells to express telomerase, the enzyme which -- metaphorically -- slows down the biological clock -- was successful. The research provides a "proof-of-principle" that this "feasible and safe" approach can effectively "improve health span."
The person who will have no theoretical age related death is already walking on this planet, probably that lucky prick Mark Zuckerberg, if anyone can access such technology he has the fundage to do it, but the point is change is coming, FAST! Those who throw up their hands and say there is an insurmountable roadblock like the guy this story is about are the real losers, their lives are all about negativity, they dwell on what cannot be done rather than what can be done.
Pol Pot's long lost brother?
Did he say he wanted to ban derivatives and banksters? Must be 1/12 right then....
How does he even know the state of the world without depending on modern technology to acquire all of his "evidence"?
How does he know how many people are on earth?
How does he even know that earth is a finite place?
From where does he obtain his clothing and more importantly, his FOOD?
But of course like many others, he CARES more than you do... That's how he justifies taking billions of lives?
Libtard logic running its course.
His real idea is to kill off all men taller than himself and all ugly women.
No, I think he needs the ugly women
Linkola is one of the main reasons we should never give up Free Speech for any reason. We need to be able to keep tracking such psychopaths.
Well, they say that genocide begins at home.
It must be the long, dark Finnish winters.
Related:
Noam Chomsky and James Lovelock (environmentalist and creator of the “Gaia hypothesis”) have both said that they would be okay with an authoritarian approach to tackling global warming.
But whatever one might think about climate change, all people of good will can agree that fascism is never justified.