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Guest Post: Facebook SOBS Or… “Don’t Cry for Me Avaritia”

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Submitted by Ben Tanosborn

Facebook SOBS or… “Don’t Cry for Me Avaritia”

The sobs we have in mind are neither short, audible gasps of breath of those who are invested in Facebook stock, nor are they intended as a bastardly reference of those who, inside and/or outside of the Company, put together and took to fruition this much-awaited I.P.O. (Initial Public Offering). These mnemonic sobs we have in mind represent simply Shares-Of-Bubbly-Stock.  For that’s what those 421.2 million shares of Facebook were: Overpriced, bubbly stock.

In Christian ethics – although not in exclusivity – there are a number of vices, most often referred to as the seven deadly or capital sins, which depict the antithetical side of virtue.  Of the seven, avarice or greed (Avaritia in Latin) comes at the head of the list for me since its practice affects the wellbeing of others, and not just those who profess it.

And it was this lady, Avaritia, who walked the Red Carpet a week ago, Friday, May 18, in a glittering dress that reminded us of what rapacious capitalism is all about, as shares of Facebook started trading past their scheduled time in the NASDAQ.  A very surprising opening with a larger (25 percent) number of shares issued for trade, at a much higher (52 percent) price… or a “more aggressive” price in Wall Street IPO parlance.

On the 32nd anniversary of Mount Saint Helen’s eruption, some people expected a price eruption during the stock’s first day of trading, given past behavior with other IPO’s and Facebook’s pre-eminence in the circle of social media networks.  From a 10 to a 30 percent jump in value in its inaugural trading day was not atypical talk.  But the shares offered at $38 fizzled, inching just one percent at the close… and offering bad vibes for the trading days ahead, which immediately brought in Avaritia’s favorite board game for these occasions: the blame game.

This game is already in play in Wall Street and beyond, and promises to be one of long and costly duration with a worthy cast of characters, all one-percenters.  Roll the dice and point the finger: Was it the NASDAQ’s fault?  Or was it Mark Zuckerberg and his top management who dropped the ball? [What the heck is that young multi-billionaire hiding under that hoodie, some are asking… contempt for the dumb middle class?!]  What about Morgan Stanley, the lead banker on the IPO?  And why exclude the two other giants, JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs? And to be fair we must not forget the analysts, and those who claim selective dissemination of material information critical to the evaluation of risk-taking in the purchase of Facebook stock.  To make it even more interesting, here we are five days into the game and attorneys have decided to join in with class action litigation which could bring the stakes well into the 10-figure category.  Mount Saint Helen’s 1980-eruption brought damage of $2.75 billion in today’s dollars… could Facebook’s fiasco bring financial damages of similar magnitude?  This blame board game could certainly become another classic like that game most of us grew up with: monopoly.

There are those who contend that at $38 per share Facebook is a bargain, and that a market capitalization of $100 billion will soon multiply by 2, 3, 4… or more.  After all, that very selective group of 3,500 nerds-par-excellence who run the show from Silicon Valley have it all; and that includes the key to super-monetize 900 million users, perhaps a few hundred million more, to the tune of $5, $10 maybe $20 per user… bringing revenues, and after-tax profit, to levels that even Steve Jobs would not have had in his wildest, most creative dreams.

But, of course, there are those realists – count me among them – who think that the world we live in poses a number of constraints on emotional, unrestrained optimism.  Time is immutable, and our days still contain 24 hours.  In a slow-growing world economy with limited resources, the advertising dollar might shift but not grow much.  Yet, innovation will remain rampant, competition constantly knocking at the door.  And we mustn’t dismiss disloyalty as a human trait, even among that elite group of 3,500 who could be tempted by that gal who cohabits with Predatory Capitalism, Avaritia.

Bottom line to this Facebook fiasco is clear and simple: Wall Street, once again, treated shares of stock as Casino-land chips with values way outside of the fundamentals’ realm and the likes of companies such as Google.  What should have been an offering price in the $10 to $12 range was absurdly made public at $38 per share.
“Don’t cry for me Avaritia…  The truth is I never left you.”


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Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:07 | 2467023 LeBalance
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another fool decrying so-called capitalism.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:19 | 2467031 Dr Benway
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Is this sarcasm or a lack of understanding what (non-crony) capitalism is all about?

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:34 | 2467051 LeBalance
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hmm..i guess capitalism is all about unfair advantage, total control of markets, creating massive backwaters and cesspits of non-flow.

so you are saying where we are now is part of the great cycle of life?

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:36 | 2467054 Colombian Gringo
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Good description of Crony Capitalism, or Corporatism.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:54 | 2467140 Oh regional Indian
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It's a very young word, this capitalism word. Full of strange and odd meanings. Etymology to the rescue.

1860, "act of converting (assets) to capital," noun of action from capitalize in the financial sense. Meaning "act of writing or printing in capital letters" is recorded from 1864.
1854, "condition of having capital;" from capital + -ism. Meaning "political/economic system which encourages capitalists" is recorded by 1877.
capitalist (n.) 
1791, from Fr. capitaliste, a coinage of the Revolution and a term of reproach; see capital + -ist. Related: Capitalistic.


Capitalism, Capital Punishment, Capital letters, Capital City, all mean different things.

This language, how ironic to say it thus, is Fucked and a Head fucker to boot.

We are living the DEEPEST PERVERSION of the tongue. 

The Tower of Baab'el, rises in our throat and in our minds...scary...




Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:32 | 2467391 resurger
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why you have to short FB: i think TPTB are not happy


It appears not everyone “liked” Mark Zuckerberg’s surprise announcement last weekend.Following Zuckerberg’s marriage to his longtime girlfriend Priscilla Chan on Saturday, the 28-year-old Facebook founder and CEO received a letter from Benzi Gopstein, head of the Lehava Organization for the Prevention of Assimilation in the Holy Land that criticized his intermarriage, according to Israel National News.Gopstein, who refers to Zuckerberg in the letter by his Hebrew name, Mordechai, writes that he didn’t “like” Zuckerberg’s wedding announcement on Facebook unlike the over 1.5 million others that did.

“To be precise, if Facebook had a ‘dislike’ button I would have given you a big ‘dislike,’” Gopstein wrote.“I’m writing to you not for my sake, but on behalf of the Jewish people of every generation, being that you are part of this people, like it or not. True, you did well in the stock market, but just to remind you, money isn’t everything in life. You chose to marry a non-Jewish woman and by doing so, you disconnected yourself from the Jewish people, and your children will not be Jewish, even though their last name will be Zuckerberg; even if they’re cute and get a lot of ‘likes’, they will remain non-Jews in every respect.”Despite acknowledging that Zuckerberg probably won’t pay much attention to the letter, Gopstein writes that on behalf of the Jewish people, he aims to “spoil the party” for all Jewish men and women who accept intermarriage and “liked” Zuckerberg’s relationship status change, as well as the media who reported it.“Golda Meir, who was Israel’s Prime Minister, said that any Jew who assimilates is essentially a partner to the Nazis’ work, since through assimilation you yourself are exterminating the continuation of the Jewish people,” he writes. “Assimilation is bringing the extermination of the Jews to the seventh million! Unfortunately, you are not alone. The Jewish people are losing themselves in the Exile through assimilation. At the current rate, in the not-so-distant future there will be no more Jews remaining in the Exile. In Israel, too, assimilation is hitting us quite a bit because of your Facebook, where every Mohammed is ‘CitySlicker’ and every Yusuf calls himself ‘Prince Charming.’” Gopstein is not the first to speak out against Zuckerberg’s intermarriage. Earlier this week, Israel National News reported concerns expressed by Dr. Aliza Lavie, a communications researcher, lecturer at Bar Ilan University and social activist.“The children of another successful Jewish man will not be counted as Jews,” Lavie wrote on her Facebook page. “This wedding does not bother many American Jews and quite a few Israelis as well. This is integration at its best. But this is not the whole picture. The stories of intermarriage and assimilation are not only a ‘religious’ problem,” she said.“It's much more than that. Large sections of the younger generation of American Jews are no longer with us. Treating mixed marriages only as a religious matter which does not interest those who are non-religious misses the reality that threatens us all, religious and secular alike.”Gopstein’s letter concludes with a suggestion to Zuckerberg, encouraging to him to take a strong stance against assimilation.“As long as the candle burns, you can correct yourself,” he writes.“Separate from the non-Jewish woman and find a good Jewish one, and to make up for your mistake, go on a major campaign on Facebook against assimilation.”

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:33 | 2467392 resurger
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True, you did well in the stock market


Sun, 05/27/2012 - 15:46 | 2467518 vast-dom
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Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:42 | 2467403 Precious
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... not only that Rabbi, the traitor studied Latin too !

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 18:46 | 2467857 Disenchanted
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re: the 'Elders' disliking Zuckerberg marrying outside the Tribe


I was wondering if that might have had something to do with FacePlant...


now if I in a public forum would tell my daughter I didn't want her to marry a black man because I think we should keep our race pure there'd be fifty fucking Jew busybodies(ACLU, etc.) all up in my shit.


with the Tribe it's do what we say not what we do.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 00:59 | 2468534 monad
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Forget Faciabook. Hedge that bet with a prenup, Marky.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:51 | 2467067 ZDRuX
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Another person who thinks any sort of "advantage" can be fair, and if it isn't.. that it can be mandated into fairness by law makers and regulation.

Advantage by definition is unfair, it's called capitalism, so get out of the kitchen if it's too hot for you. I didn't get burned on the $FB IPO because I didn't play.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:10 | 2467081 Gully Foyle
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"Advantage by definition is unfair, it's called capitalism"

Someone who gets it.

Capitalism definitely doesn't raise all boats, and clearly creates the 1% with the ability to be selfish, self centered, and successful.

I'm always confused as to why anyone would prefer to live under true Capitalism.

As if they have what it takes to survive in a cutthroat world.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:39 | 2467115 Solarman
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Describe a working alternative to capitalism, that actually works.  Every other system you simply replace one set of elites for another, using different skills to become said elites.


I prefer we reform the system to allow competition than to regulate it it to a point only the insiders and the politically connected have the only advantage, like today or like any other socialist / totalitarian state out there.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:43 | 2467123 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yawn. Another fucking socialist troll.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:44 | 2467412 Joe The Plumber
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Yeah i truly believe he doesnt want to live under capitalism

Lazy fuck gets a government check probably for some vague difficult to disprove condition

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:40 | 2467057 Waffen
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Capitalism is great as long as the people have some morality. The author mentions christian values.

Talmudic Jews hve no such restraints and instead are encouraged to do the opposite and actually lie cheat and steal from the goyim.

Now when a culture such as that in wall street and government takes hold it festers and grows and even non Jews must do the same practices to compete.

This is the case in all parts of our culture. It has been corrupted and subverted by values that are not ours. I am not a Christian but I believe in the natural rights of man, as does the zeitgeist of western culture. This however has been subverted by Jewry.

Jews are nation wreckers.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:54 | 2467070 ZDRuX
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Can you list some of your "morals" that are necessary for capitalism? I'm all ears.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 13:20 | 2467305 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Morals are not necessary for Capitalism, but they make it a nicer world, not the world we are facing now.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:44 | 2467411 Precious
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I'm all philosophied up now ... 

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:42 | 2467404 Waffen
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I am quite certain I did not say capitalism could not exist without morality, only that it's great with morality.

My base for morality is natural rights as was used in the founding of our nation.

Without a respect for the natural rights of man you end up with a corrupted, disgusting form of capitalism in name only.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 15:42 | 2467511 vast-dom
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Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:12 | 2467084 Gully Foyle
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"Capitalism is great as long as the people have some morality."


Clearly you don't understand what it means to be a Capitalist.

Then again, aren't you that racist fuck who keeps bitching about minorities?

It is pretty obvious when you go by WAFFEN.

Zeig Heil bitch!

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:27 | 2467103 spankthebernank
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Keep talkin Gully "NWO" Foyle

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:42 | 2467120 WonderDawg
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Reminds me of that crazy uncle who babbles incoherently most of the time, but every now and then, if you haven't been numbed into a catatonic stupor and happen to be paying attention, you will hear him utter something clever.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:57 | 2467147 Oh regional Indian
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WD, make sme think this is some sort of psy-op. Can't trust a poster anymore. Like Gully above. Sometimes he is off the wall brilliant, but most of the time now, he just blathers like an idiot.

Perhaps he is on meds? 

I've seen others do this chameleon thing.

Very odd, very very odd...


Sun, 05/27/2012 - 12:18 | 2467191 Hulk
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my guess is meds...

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 13:09 | 2467288 Oh regional Indian
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Mine too, because the All capitalizing gully has given me some of the most of-the-wall reading directions and fascinating rabbit holes to dive into with his long ranty pastes. Brilliant reading list, which says something for the man himself.

This "other" is just... nothing.


Sun, 05/27/2012 - 12:31 | 2467221 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Paid trolls work in shifts -- one identity, many trolls...Hence the appraent multiple personality disorder.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:00 | 2467356 goforgin
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National Socialism has no morality, it believes in screwing everybody else for the benefit of Fritz. Just look at modern Germany.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 15:27 | 2467475 Waffen
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Here is a thougt experiment.

Take 100 people:
Tell 98 people from birth that they should be honest, have integrity and treat others as they wish to be treated.
Take 2 people and teach them from birth that it's ok and in fact they should lie, cheat and steal from others but not each other.

How do you think this turns out? A hint it turns out badly for both parties in the end.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 12:56 | 2467266 vast-dom
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Waffen: go fuck yourself you hateful neo nazi piece of shit. Fips down the toilet.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 13:23 | 2467307 john39
Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:36 | 2467395 Waffen
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When have I ever claimed to be a national socialist? I am a libertarian that doesn't like be classified an animal by the innocent Jews. I have hatred for a religion that teaches that it is acceptable to lie and cheat from non Jews. I have a problem with those that thinks its ok to lie, cheat and steal.

Talmudic Jews are the enemy of free humanity.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:43 | 2467408 john39
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the truth is, most (not all) of them are also victims of the ideology, albeit from a different angle.  the talmud is one of the world's oldest  cons... and humanity is the victim.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 15:40 | 2467504 vast-dom
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Sun, 05/27/2012 - 15:53 | 2467537 Waffen
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You make a lot of assumptions, don't you?

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 18:49 | 2467866 Disenchanted
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free enterprise > capitalism

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 18:09 | 2470216 dlc
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??? You start out specifying Talmudic Jews and end with all Jews.  No people group is so homogeneous if it can be subdivided along such lines.  In every grouping and subgrouping are individuals who add value outside the norms of the grouping as well as those who subtract value outside the norms (sometimes an individual does both).  You would paint them all identically?  Then be so painted yourself.  IMHO, of course--YMMV  :-)

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:59 | 2467076 Spastica Rex
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Yeah, he better watch out for a smiting from the Most Holy Invisible Hand. Blasphemy makes me so angry!

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 13:04 | 2467282 Oh regional Indian
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That italicized so... nice touch SR. You clearly taught good english to some lucky kids.

I call it palpable writing.


Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:07 | 2467080 Gully Foyle
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I just received a flyer for some business seminar.

It was hosted by Bill Cosby and had Bill O'Reilly and Randi Zuckerberg on the panel.

That looked really fucking deep.


Sun, 05/27/2012 - 17:48 | 2467719 dirtbagger
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Agreed.  No mention of the greedy buyers of FB shares looking to make a quick bet.  There are bet makers and bet takers.  If you are a bet taker plan on getting screwed

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:16 | 2467030 jmcadg
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$10-12, that's a bit rich, try $7 at best.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:38 | 2467055 resurger
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0 is the fair value

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:29 | 2467106 Global Hunter
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I say $3.80 and that's why we have a market...oh snap!

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 12:58 | 2467271 vast-dom
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all kidding aside, $3.80 is actually the correct price. 

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:22 | 2467032 q99x2
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Mount St. Helens was 32 years ago? Wow. Big singular events are timeless. I still remember 2008 like it had just started yesterday.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:23 | 2467035 Zola
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Here is exposed the modus operandi of the insiders : get access to stock via parallel dark shadow markets instread of through an IPO as usual, then ramp up the price on these small private exchanges using off market transactions to pretend that "the stock really went up" (think GS investment and subsequent increase in FB share price on private markets) then use those FAKE valuations to support a ridiculous IPO price. What is most shocking is all the people in decision making positions in the asset management industry who bought this CRAP. They really have no business managing money. But alas quite a few of them are around nowadays !! Stupid investors deserve to lose their money on this.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:29 | 2467045 Freddie
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This is what happened on IPO day back in 1999 for most dot com stocks.  What is even creepier is govt has a lot of involvement with this Clinton and Obama plus the state of CA.   The fake dot com bubble created Clinton's fake surplus.   FracePlant taxes were going to bailout Moonbeam and Callie-Porn-ia for another 4 to 5 months.  The sheep buying this FB crap were going to bailout Mexi-Fornia-ia.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:41 | 2467060 Stimulati
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California gets back about 86 cents for every dollar it pays into federal taxes.  In other words, it would have a budget surplus if it weren't for transfer payments to poor red states.  California is Germany and Alabama is Greece.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:56 | 2467068 oddjob
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No amount of money can compensate the rest of the Country, or World, for the degenerates and reprobates and the diarrhea they produce called 'entertainment' that get squeezed out of the giant smelly asshole that is California.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:18 | 2467092 Ima anal sphincter
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Short, sweet, and ALL true.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:38 | 2467399 Stimulati
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Don't hate the state.  Hate the game.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:53 | 2467428 mkhs
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Zola, but they have mbas from harvard.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:25 | 2467039 vmromk
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Facebook is nothing but a bag of hot air. Anyone who believed in the hype and put down their money to buy FB without forethought should not be crying like a bitch now that they have losses. Had FB shot to the moon, all the crybabies would now be bragging how smart they were and how connected they were to get shares allocated to them.

Face it, you bought FB, you got sucked in and fucked.

Why not just call up the Printer-in-chief at the Fed and ask for a bailout ?

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:43 | 2467062 MolotovCockhead
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Facebook is not hot air! Ask that guy name MillionDollarAnus_ He insisted that we are all fools for bashing FB. Hej, MilliondollarAnus_! How's it going for you?

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:27 | 2467041 maxw3st
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I believe my pre-offering advice remains in effect; short the stock after the opening pump up. Now we'll likely see facebook move to the even more highly manipulated NYSE, and the underwriters/specialists will be hard at work "supporting" the issue amidst a flurry of litigation.

Another great opportunity to short in the offing. For the more conservative approach; sell puts at 10 on dips.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:31 | 2467046 CURWAR2012
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SOB, new aconyms are one of the best parts of this site. 

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:33 | 2467050 BluePill
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The day i heard that FAcebook is recruiting Indian Parasite Cockroaches , i Started buying put opttions on Facebook stock


Well to be frank the only way we can solve all American problems is to Start  Deporting Indian americans--not red indians , East indian parasites who infiltrated this country in mass numbers and have been doing it ever since  Clinton opened the doors for these parasites


Previously it used to only Fraud babas from that filthy land now every cockroach is flying towards USA


Unless we start a Nuclear war on India or Lynch All indians nothing will change


We must march forward and Destroy all indians thats only solution


Till then you will see all Tech companies in silicon valley which were infiltrated by indian bastards will collapse one after another

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:55 | 2467071 ZDRuX
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Are you saying the Silicon Valley companies are racist against white people because they're hiring Indians? I'd like to hear your reasoning.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:17 | 2467090 Gully Foyle
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Dude, of course that is what he thinks.

One of the reasons Indians never really hit it big in the Us is because they get equated with Negros.

I'm actually surprised no one bitches about dark skinned Italians and how they should be deported.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:46 | 2467127 Buckaroo Banzai
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"One of the reasons Indians never really hit it big in the Us is because they get equated with Negros."

Congratulations. That's the stupidest thing I've seen posted here in a while.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:53 | 2467137 AnAnonymous
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It means you never read twice your posts...

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 12:15 | 2467185 bharat
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Clicked the green arrow on your own post? Won't be the first or last time.

Sat close to a group of 30 chinese people in a Mumbai theater watching MIB 3. They seemed to be having a good time. Why aren't you like them and enjoy life a little and hate less?

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:25 | 2467383 goforgin
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In what country did the British use the word Kaffir to describe the locals?

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 12:02 | 2467153 gwar5
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Our US socialists already deport the dark skinned people. Right after they get their graduate degrees they are booted out, per strict limits, because they might stay and contribute positively to the economy with an engineering job.


But if you are a fruit picking, uneducated, economic refugee you are offered lots of free stuff to risk your life to illegally cross our Southern border. Seems the notion that our Southern neighbor's lives are considered so cheap and expendable by the pious do-gooders is what is racist.

It's a felony for anyone to offer money for someone to cross the border illegally. Yet, billions of taxpayer money is being used to do just that by the usual political suspects trying to import votes, no matter the human cost.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 18:17 | 2470237 WmMcK
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I'm confused now, which (dark-skinned) Indians should we be deporting, the ones with the turbans or the ones with the tomahawks?

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 12:06 | 2467157 bharat
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ha ha ha. Go ahead and deport all the "Cockroaches". I'll welcome them here in India with open arms.  They are the cream of the crop, moron. Did you ever look at the education levels, crime rates, median incomes of the "cockroaches"? Don't you get it: Those people would have been successful anywhere on this planet. They just chose the easiest place to strike it rich.

I'm sorry about your personal circumstance. Laid off when the job was outsourced? I really am sorry. Shouldn't happen to anybody. Let them depreciate the dollar about 50% against all the asian currencies. Problem solved. (BTW, I am Indian and I was laid off when my job was outsourced. Ironic, right?)

Anyway, the "free trade" model isn't working out. You are the prime example why it should be modified to go "local" and be "local".

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:56 | 2467405 Pure Evil
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Your job was outsourced?

It would be funny if it was outsourced to Pakistan.

Just think, the cockroaches from Pakistan can do your job even faster, cheaper and better.

Outsourced Pakistanies will do the jobs even insourced Hindi in America won't do.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 12:08 | 2467162 bharat
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Just guessing you're not American, are you? I'm guessing Pakistani. Fucking terrorist, decided to post on ZH before trying to blow up someone.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:57 | 2467415 Pure Evil
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Ah, whatever happened to enjoying life a little and hating less?

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 12:13 | 2467180 Kastorsky
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You took wrong pill, BluePill. It was acid or something.

Joos run the show. 

Top 1% made up entirely out of jews, when they are only 2% of population.


Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:15 | 2467052 John Law Lives
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"and that includes the key to super-monetize 900 million users, perhaps a few hundred million more, to the tune of $5, $10 maybe $20 per user… "

It is alarming enough that hundreds of millions of people willingly volunteer significant amounts of personal information about themselves on a forum over which they have no ultimate control of the data... and now people might start PAYING for the right to do so on FB.

100% FUBAR.

Publishing vast amounts of personal information on FB (or on any such forum) is not wise (imho).

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:38 | 2467114 Morrotzo
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Bullshit. As soon as Facebook starts to "monetize" by charging for accounts, charging for accounts that advertise, asking for extra money to make a status update more prominent EVERYBODY. FUCKING. LEAVES.

Ask any Facebook user you know if they'd use FaceBook if it cost 5 dollars a month. You will get an immediate, emphatic "NO!" as the response.

Any attempt to "super-monetize" by charging 20 dollars for any reason whatsoever will bomb gloriously. It will be the final nail in the coffin.





Sun, 05/27/2012 - 13:40 | 2467333 John Law Lives
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What are you responding to?  I don't advocate that people PAY to use FB.  I don't advocate that people use FB for FREE.  I think it is wholly unwise to give out massive amounts of personal information on any such forum.  I certainly wouldn't pay for the right to do that on FB.  I don't use FB as it is.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:44 | 2467414 Pure Evil
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Hey, it worked for cable and the internet. Here we are paying to watch TV and surf the internet and are still bombarded with ads.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 17:06 | 2467633 John Law Lives
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I do believe some people would pay a nominal fee to use FB.  Plenty of people are hooked on it.  I wouldn't pay to use it.  I don't use it now.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 16:53 | 2467613 Morrotzo
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I was just responding to you thinking that people would pay to use FaceBook. The minute FaceBook tries to become FeeBook is the minute it dies. Nobody will pay to use it. "Super-monitizing" by charging 20 bucks for whatever cockamamie reason will kill the stock dead.



Sun, 05/27/2012 - 17:08 | 2467629 John Law Lives
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This is what I said:

"...and now people might start PAYING for the right to do so on FB."

Notice the word, "might", in the sentence.  Aside from that, you are exaggerating if you assert that ~800+ million users will all stop using FB if they are required to pay a nominal fee.  Don't underestimate how many people are hooked on using it.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:44 | 2467061 scatterbrains
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Given all that, I still think the New York Fed should have stepped in and propped it up if just so as not to spook the sheeple while they are in the middle of executing/offloading the market to the muppets. This kind of thing just makes their job harder.


Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:50 | 2467066 Heroic Couplet
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Finance Sector losses: Everything created by Phil Gramm and the repeal of Glass-Steagall is going to vanish. Everything conntected to the BS derifivatives is going to vanish.

Everything connected to the global real estate bubble is going to vanish. Everything connected to offshoring of US jobs is going to vanish. So if the Finance Sector shrinks, good riddance.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 10:59 | 2467077 Rockfish
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How to kill a good thing.

Rule 1. Go public.

Rule 2. Get as much as you can upfront.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:01 | 2467078 jal
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Does anyone think that a 21 yr old had the finesse to print money,(IPO), and then sell it to the smartest financial wizard that our financial system has created?


I would like to know who were the people behind the curtain, at Facebook Inc., who were instrumental in organizing one of the largest printing scam ever on those who are suppose to know how to mange other peoples money.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:15 | 2467088 Gully Foyle
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"Does anyone think that a 21 yr old had the finesse to print money,(IPO), and then sell it to the smartest financial wizard that our financial system has created?"


If these  are any indicators of the possible.

High School Freshman Confounds Researchers, Invents New Pancreatic Cancer Test

Schoolboy 'genius' solves puzzles posed by Sir Isaac Newton that have baffled mathematicians for 350 years
Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:33 | 2467116 Joe The Plumber
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These are the things that give me hope for mankind.

Productivity breakthroughs are the cause of advancing standards of living.
Governments can only harm productivity and delay it temporarily, but cannot stop human ingenuity permanently as long as we dont kill off our species first

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:29 | 2467105 williambanzai7
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Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:33 | 2467111 Joe The Plumber
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Is anybody else getting sick of facebook?

What is the latest on the corzine hearings or negotiations with JPM?

Whats Paris Hilton up to?

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:41 | 2467119 Centurion9.41
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Yea, Wall Street is filled with amoral scum who will unload their product at the highest price to the most ignorant they can find.

But the same amoral ethics, doing the same thing, can be found all over business and politics.

Politician's promise all sorts of BS to people to get... elected to money influencing positions...

Unions promise all sorts of BS to worker to get... elected to money influencing positions...

Voters have consistently voted to have others, politicians, take money and property of others to "protect", enrich & reduce the cost of living for themselves...e.g. "social security", "free" healthcare, "free" education, etc.

Of course the politicians and Wall Street do not respect the people of the US or Europe.

Why should they? The voters don't have the guts or honor of even common thieves who at least do their dirty work for themselves.

The West is filled with hypocrites and doesn't stand a chance until it stops SOBing like a child trying to maniuplate its parents.

Guys like Ben, are the greatest of hypocrites. Or the most ignorant of SOBing children.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 11:55 | 2467145 gatorengineer
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The show is only getting started, wait till you see the list of the main holders (bag holders) of facebook are.  I will give you 10 to 1 odds that CALPERS is a top ten holder (see how many other state pension funds are in at the trough).... at the end of the day it will be the tax payer who gets friended.....

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 12:40 | 2467168 A Lunatic
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Ask me how my Mothers Cousins Sisters brother got filthy rich selling celery in Farmville.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 12:40 | 2467238 Downtoolong
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the blame game.

I'm guessing some of the lawsuits rising over this Facebook IPO might last longer than Facebook at this point.

I really don't see how the company could ever hope to raise additional equity capital again. Their only hope going forward is a total buyout of some kind, probably by a large media company. Is it coincidence that Sheryl Sandberg, Facebook's COO is on the board of Disney? It may already be part of the master plan. But not at $38, or even $30 I bet.

Sorry all you FB IPO Zuckers, you may have just commit yourself to the middle of a five-way getting effed by Sheryl, Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Goofy. I don’t want to buy any Facebook shares, but, I might pay $38 for a ticket to watch that spectacle.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 12:56 | 2467268 _ConanTheLibert...
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Facebook Sons Of BitcheS

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 13:11 | 2467291 Fake Jim Quinn
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Oh please -- don't cry for these people. They all went in figuring the IPO will pop and they'll make a quick exit buck. How many of those buyers -- now effed -- did real analysis? The analysts with strong post IPO records who look at these sort of things said FB is mid 20s, maybe less value. You know fools and their money are soon parted. 

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:08 | 2467367 Tinky
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“There is something vaguely dystopian about oppressed peoples in Syria or Iran seeking dignity and liberation inside a corporate sovereign that is, for its part, creating great wealth for its founders and asserting control over its users.” – Steve Coll for The New Yorker: Why I’m Leaving Facebook


Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:14 | 2467372 Alex Kintner
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NO ONE WILL EVER PAY to use Facebook. Was that really part of the business case they presented to investors? Now Fuckbook, yes, people will pay (and have paid) for that.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 14:38 | 2467398 Joe The Plumber
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Facebook is a fuckbook and seems to be the leading facilitator of affairs. That high school sweetheart you never fucked? You can find her on facebook.

I scored with one, got called creepy by another. And grooming a third. I will take a 500 batting average.

It might be worth paying for. Let women register free and guys pay 20 bucks a year. I would do it

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 15:03 | 2467426 Pure Evil
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Yeah, but by the time you find that ole sweetheart on fuckbook she's had her brains fucked out about 20,000 times, has three mongreloid kids from three different fathers, and has blown up to over 300 lbs.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 00:11 | 2468476 SheHunter
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and you?  soft white belly hanging over your belt, half hard and smell like pabst?

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 15:19 | 2467466 falak pema
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facebook is just the expression of a social mindset of modern greenback worshipping society... something for nothing and too bad for the others. AMerica has just become an economic casino game without any values. The only one that really counts is : just don't get caught!

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 15:46 | 2467520 Dburn
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Sun, 05/27/2012 - 15:20 | 2467460 falak pema
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Puritan america  and its knee-jerk against its own mirror image, as it morphs. Is THAT ME??? Is that MEEEEE?

The seven deadly sins, and bible carrying knee jerk. What happened to simple logic and secular ethics. Why go back to a dogmatic set of rules that have spawned an Inquisitorial church and Eight Crusades, and umpteen religious wars over two thousand years. Grow up and become logical people who don't rely on  dogmatic logic and irate puritan revulsion that is just as pathetic as avarice for untold wealth, that makes others poor beyond despair. Faith, hope and charity; ....ok be christians but keep those three words in mind. That's all spirituality ever taught us. From ALL religions. And the inward eye to cure it, not the outward abhor its anti christ, 'cos that generates more hate for the OTHER, all the others,  than any human can afford. Don't be suckers for that. Hate and bogey man bait. That's part of being pure, so pure that all those others appear IMPURE, to the point of no return. Have to cleanse them all. 

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 15:12 | 2467461 mjk0259
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Fiasco for bullish speculators. The FB guys got tons of money in reward for their 'innovation' and the utility they seem to provide to all the people who like using it. That's how it's supposed to work in capitalism. I don't use it or see the attraction but it's not like FB went bankrupt with big debts. Just some suckers lost money, for now. The stock still might soar even if they make very little profits. Look at AMZN or before them SUN, YHOO, sock puppet,etc.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 15:20 | 2467469 Whoa Dammit
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The One True Religion of today is Fundamentalist Materialism.

The only sin is not having enough money, but paradoxically there is never enough.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 15:43 | 2467512 Pure Evil
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"Enough", for me is when I have more than everyone else put together.

"Greed is good."  Gordon Gekko.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 16:07 | 2467505 Floodmaster
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Facebook, Google, YouTube, Wikipedia, Yahoo, Zynga, GroupOn, Amazon, Yelp..The Jews own the Internet.


Sun, 05/27/2012 - 16:44 | 2467605 dlc
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32nd anniversary, hmmm?  That's 2^^5 or 10000 in binary--a nice round number.  Significant?  Perhaps if we consider some supposin' within in conjunction with the, ah, revelations coming out of the Vatican recently.  The "lady" mentioned by Tyler is no mystery to Babylon.  This angle bears monitoring as the future continues to unfold. YMMV, of course.  :-)

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 23:53 | 2468444 boogerbently
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FB has only sold half the number of it's shares.

More "selling" (pain) to come!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 04:57 | 2468650 Me_Myself_and_I
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I'm not sure people love Facebook. I think they like connecting with their friends and such... but given Facebooks authoritarian control over the page design, the despised "timeline" and so on.. they like what it does, not Facebook itself.  The brand is not what people rave about.  It's the social positioning and preening for their peers that they crave. 

Plus like any company, a big swath of these 900 million 'registered' users are dormant or inactive.. heck, what's the policy for removing the page of one who passes on?

Several of my friends have created pages for their pets, and a couple of their kids, registered their stuffed dolls. 

Good luck monetizing ole' fluffworth pinky.  (on the plus side, pinky doesn't have a mobile device so those monetized dollars aren't going anywhere)

Facebook can absolutely monetize... they don't even need to monetize all customers but a rich subsegment.. but that doesn't appear to be happening anytime soon.   They are partying like a dot-com with their retreats and offsites and fun-game stuff we're all so fond of.  This is not conducive to monetization, because little of this (billion dollar instagram??) have a focus on ROI. 

Google does allow experimentation, but pulls the plug on projects that do not meet management targets, and this has been good for the stockholders.

Facebook disdains its users by example of its authoritarian control over users sites.  Humility and listening are not in the company's DNA.  If Facebook is a failure at responding to it's customer, then I doubt it has the wherewithall to understand what the Market wants to see.


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